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Jessica asks, “what should be the interview questions when hiring a good data scientist?”

The answer to this question depends heavily on how fluent you are in the language of data science, in order to sniff out unqualified candidates. Focus a lot on scenarios, and work with a non-competitive data scientist to build out questions and answers, and listen for a specific magic phrase that indicates a data scientist’s actual skill. Watch the video for details.

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In today’s episode, Jessica asks, what should be the interview questions when hiring a good data scientist? Okay.

The answer to this question is going to be very heavily dependent on what your fluency is in the language of data science because ultimately we’re trying to do is you’re trying to find a qualified data scientist who can address your company’s problems, likely scenarios, likely types of solutions they would pursue.

And there’s a lot of people out there who you know, they did the whole six week crash course in data science thing because they see the average published, you know, salaries of data scientists and say I want I want a part of that.

I don’t blame them.

But they are is a huge Huge amount of difference between somebody who has been living in data for years, if not decades of their life.

And somebody who took a six week Crash Course is the difference between somebody who is an actual surgeon, and somebody who took like, you know, a Red Cross first aid course they’re, they’re both people that have a place, right? You want people who have some first aid training? Absolutely.

You don’t want that person doing neurosurgery.

If your company has first aid problems, only then that first aid person might be just the thing.

So what kinds of questions are we going to be asking? Well, here’s the thing about data science.

Actually, this is true about any profession, the sign of expertise, the sign of of experience, and a wisdom is not knowing the answer to things because you can find the right answer to a lot of things.

is knowing what’s going to go wrong.

So what I would suggest you do is you work with a data scientist, maybe someone in a non competing industry, you’re not going to hire them on a fee, you do great.

You’re not going to hire them.

What you’re going to do is work with them, you know, buy them something, get them a gift card, pay them by the hour, whatever.

To help you work out interview questions that are specific to your company in your industry.

Let’s say you’re a coffee shop, right? What are some data science questions that you would ask about a coffee shop scenario? Why’s that you could ask to get a sense of what are the challenges you’re likely to run into? So for example, if you’re that coffee shop, and interview question for a data scientist might be we have all this customer data and we want to build a model to predict to predict the customer propensity to buy I don’t know school.

With their coffee, tell me how you would approach this problem.

What are the things you would do? And then, based on that solution, tell me what’s likely to go wrong.

Right and see what the person answers.

When you’re working with your qualified data scientists to develop these questions, they can give you the answers like, okay, you’re gonna ingest your customer data, is the data good? Is it clean? Is it ready to go? Or is it a hot mess in five different systems behind the scenes? What demographic data do you have? Is there potential for a human bias along the way, like, for example, if you’re, if your barista is racist, you’re gonna have a skew in the data because they refuse to sell scones to short people, or to Asians or whatever.

Right.

Those are questions that your data scientists is going to ask you, that will indicate the things that are likely To go wrong, okay, you’re building your model.

And in this model, how many highly correlated variables are there? How many near zero variables are there? There’s too many of them, you got to clean some of those out.

What is the predictive power of any of these other features? What other features do you have in your data set? Are there external conditions that we need to know about? For example, was the are you closed on Sundays? That would be an important thing to know.

And then in the in the construction of this model, how much how accurate is your sales data? Do you tracking every single purchase or are there things? Do you have a leakage problem or shrinkage problem like you know the, your inventories are off because your barista gives a free scone to each of the friends who comes in.

All of these things are things that go wrong in your data and can go wrong in your analysis.

And when they come up with the answer, they’re gonna, they’re gonna have to give you some clarification like, Okay, so in this case, you’re going to run probably multiple regression model unless you have so many weird karlitz that you need to look at like Ridge or lasso regression.

And even after that, if your predictor importance is below point five, you’re gonna have to find something else, or you have to acknowledge that there is a likely probability that you can’t predict it.

The data just isn’t there.

Right.

One of the things that I have seen and heard in talking to other data scientists, particularly Junior ones, is that there is a great reluctance.

For more for less experienced data scientists to say that they don’t know Say that there’s not enough data, there isn’t an answer to the problem, right? It’s a super uncomfortable answer, because people looking at you while you’re a data scientist, you should you should know everything about this.

No.

The more experienced a data scientist is, the more likely it is like I said, Look, this is not a solvable problem, right? This is not there’s not enough data here, the data is wrong or it’s corrupted.

And until you fix those underlying infrastructure problems, you can’t solve this problem.

It’s just not possible.

It’s like, you want to make mac and cheese but you have no macaroni there.

I’m sorry.

There is no way for you to make mac and cheese without macaroni.

It’s just not possible.

And so those are the kinds of questions you want to ask in interviews.

They are scenario based they are.

There’s a lot of walk me through this explain how you do this.

What’s your approach? And when you start getting into what’s going to go wrong, That will be very telling about who that data scientist is.

If they are supremely overconfident in their answers, that’s actually a red flag, right? You would think, no, no, we want somebody who knows what they’re doing.

Well, yes, you do.

But a big part of data science and science in general is knowing that things are gonna go wrong a whole lot.

And, and being ready for that.

If you get somebody who says I’ve never run into any problems doing multiple regression, I’ve never run into any problem.

I’m so good.

I’m so good that I can build a clustering model with anything.

No.

Doesn’t matter how good you are.

It matters how good the data is.

Right? So those are all the red flags, you’re looking for.

overconfidence, trying to bluff their way through something trying to as one of my martial arts teacher says reach for something that isn’t there all the time.

You want somebody who can help you plan who can help you do the data science and has enough experience that they know what’s going to go wrong in your data and help you solve it to the best of their abilities, or tell you what you’re going to need to do from a systems perspective or data perspective or even a people perspective to get the data you need in order to build good models.

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Jessica asks, “What is most common scientific method to analyze data, so when I (business person) is working with marketing data scientists I can have a intelligent conversation?”

To my knowledge, there is only one scientific method. What matters for marketing data science (and data science in general) is the implementation – particularly at the point where you do your exploratory data analysis. That’s a phase that we skip over far too quickly.

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In today’s episode, Jessica asks, What is the most common scientific method to analyze data so that when I, a business person is working with data scientists, I can have an intelligent conversation.

To my knowledge, there really is only one scientific method, which is you develop a question, you define the problem of the data.

you formulate a hypothesis, you create a test, you run the test, collect the data, analyze the results, you refine your hypothesis or throw it out, and then observe and repeat the process.

Now, all that said, the application of the scientific method is where things differ from traditional science a little bit, not a lot, but a little bit.

Let’s say you’re testing a new vaccine right? For SEO Coronavirus, you would have a question, does this action work? Right? does it create antibodies? You would define the parameters, you would do the formulation, and you would run the test where data science is slightly different is you still have the question you want answered.

But in the problem definition itself, that’s where you’re going to do a lot of what’s called exploratory data analysis.

And that is to understand the problem better to define it better to experiment a little bit, not a lot, but a little bit to analyze the data set itself, if you have it, and to do a lot of refinements to it, cleaning of the data, etc.

so that you can formulate a hypothesis and understand what it is you want to ask and and define the parameters of the test.

Let’s say you want to know Let’s say you want to know the impact of Twitter on your lead generation? That’s a good question, right? What is Twitter’s impact on my lead generation? What data you’re going to need? You’ll need Google Analytics data, probably you’ll need Twitter data.

And you’ll have a hypothesis that you’ll hypothesize that you tweet.

If you tweet more your conversions will go up maybe by a certain amount.

How much is that amount? Do you know? This is where you take that step back into the Define stage of the process and go Okay, let’s look at my Twitter data.

Let’s look at my Google Analytics data.

Is there a mathematical relationship there? Is there even a there there before we set up a test before we create a hypothesis that is testable? Are we even barking up the right tree? So you might run like a regression analysis and see if there is a a mathematical assumption Between the two because without an association, there probably isn’t going to be a causation.

And who would explore your Twitter’s data? Does Twitter give you enough data to build? A good hypothesis? Or conversely, does Twitter give you so much data that you’re not even sure what to test? Right? Is it length of tweet? Is it the day and time of a tweet? Is it a certain emotion or sentiment or tone? That has been working for you images in the post video in the post? What What kinds of stuff do you have access to? And then what kinds of things actually matter? And this is where you would run things like feature selection or feature importance or predictive predictive strength on your Twitter data combined with Google Analytics data.

So there is a fair amount in that defined stage that to our discredit, we tend to gloss over that I would just define success There’s a lot that actually goes into that.

And that it really is exploratory data analysis, which is almost a discipline unto itself, of being able to explore data and understand this is what’s in this thing.

This is what’s in the box, or, and this is where your subject matter expertise really is important.

And your analytical expertise is really important.

What happens when you see an association? Like, yes, it looks like Twitter data has a correlation to Google Analytics conversions.

But then when you run regression tests and things to try and isolate what are the most important features, you come up with nothing, like I just tested a whole bunch of things.

What, what happened here, there’s a there’s an association.

So there should be correlative variables that contribute to it.

But none of these show any kind of statistically valid, predictive strength, what happened and so that that In the experienced marketing data scientists would say okay, what am I missing? I’ve got data, but I’ve got no statistical relevance.

What’s not in the box? What? What else do I need to go and get? And that’s where you’ll find your biggest challenges because it’s tempting to run the test and say, Okay, here’s the top thing, but at the top thing is, you know, a point 08.

And you’re looking for point two, five or better for some of these multiple regression tests, you’d be like, Hmm, what do I do? The very junior or naive data scientist says, I’ll just take the top three, that’s good enough, right? That’s the the algorithms but that’s good enough, but it’s not the case.

That is very rarely ever the case.

Like I’m trying to think of a situation where that is the case and I’m not coming up with anything.

And so for what we want to do, as as As people who want to become experienced marketing data scientists, we have to say, Okay, well, there’s clearly something else that’s missing, there’s a variable that is we don’t have that would glue these two datasets together, or combination of variables.

On the flip side of that, you get things called like a completed variables where there’s something that is mixing the two up and creating stronger signal strength than there actually should be.

That typically happens with highly correlated variables mixed together.

So if you simple example, if it turns out that the length of a tweet is important, and you have the number of characters in the tweet and the number of words in a tweet, and that goes into your, your algorithm to determine strength, that’s going to screw things up because those two are perfectly correlated.

And it’s going to create an an unnecessary signal for the algorithms.

The regression algorithms used to say like, Oh yes, this is invalid.

And contributor to the outcome.

Again, as as a more experienced data scientist, you would look at that and go, Okay, well, we’ve got to get rid of one of the karlitz here, because they both can’t be in there, but they’re gonna throw a wrench into the computation.

So, in Twitter’s case, again, you’d use your social media expertise, Twitter accounts at the character level, if you have 280 characters to work with.

Okay, so if that’s the case, let’s get rid of number of words in the tweet, and just stick with the characters in the tweet.

And that will be a better measure of whether the length of a tweet is relevant to the outcomes that we care about.

So to sum up, there is only one scientific method that I know of.

But it is the implementation that matters the most and how you do it within data science.

Because there’s a lot that goes into defining the problem you will spend a lot of time you should spend a lot of defining the problem.

If you don’t, if you immediately jump into a hypothesis, you immediately jump into running a test.

Chances are, something has gone missing, something has been omitted, that will come back to bite you in the end.

I can virtually guarantee you that something will come back to haunt you and you will not you will not enjoy the process of having to redo the experiment from scratch.

Really good question.

We could spend a whole lot of time on this, but that’s a good starting point.

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Jessica asks, “Which should we focus on learning most in marketing data science, concepts or tools?”

Without a doubt, concepts. You learn frying, not a specific model of frying pan. You learn painting, not a particular paint brush. You learn to play any piano, not just one kind of piano.

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In today’s episode, Jessica s, which should we focus on learning most in marketing data science concepts or tools.

Without a doubt, concepts, think about when you learn to cook, you learn frying, right? baking, boiling, you don’t learn a specific model of oven, you don’t learn a particular brand of frying pan you learn how to do the thing.

And ideally, that knowledge is one that you can transfer broadly within that category.

So if I have a eight inch frying pan, a six inch frying pan or a wok, I should be able to apply the same principles of frying.

You learn painting right now the specific brush, although you may have techniques that are well suited for a certain type of brush, but you’ll learn painting, you learn.

You learn to play piano, right, and in theory, you should be able to play Any piano whether it’s a little you know, 32 key miniature USB device or like an 88 key grand piano and in a Carnegie Hall, you learn to play the piano, not just one kind of piano.

Marketing data science is exactly the same.

You learn how to apply different concepts, different ideas, different techniques to data and not necessarily a specific tool.

Now, do you need to use some tools? Yes, absolutely.

You cannot fry without a frying pan.

Man.

If you don’t know how to handle a frying pan safely, you’re gonna have a bad time.

The same is true in data science, you need to be able to use tools like Python or R or IBM Watson Studio, but you use it in the service of the concept.

So learning things like regression, multiple regression classification, clustering Association.

dimension reduction, principal component analysis, any of these techniques are things that you absolutely need to learn and what tool you use to apply those techniques is largely up to you.

You have any number of these tools, I would say start with the open source ones because a they’re free and be when you’re writing the code, you have the most control over the techniques and over the tools, you can specify the parameters that you want to use.

Now sometimes that’s good, sometimes that’s bad, but in the beginning, for sure, it doesn’t hurt to have a good look at the guts and the inner workings of something.

It’s kind of like it’s kinda like the difference between you know, frying something in a regular frying pan or I want those like really crazy fancy appliances that like auto fry and boil and all this stuff you don’t really see See what’s going on.

Right? You don’t understand caramelization of the mired reaction in one of those fancy machines.

Yeah, absolutely see that in a good old fashioned frying pan and you understand what’s happening to your food.

And so you can make adjustments or change the way you do things, maybe change some ingredients.

Same is true in data science.

If you stick all your data into a really fancy auto ml system.

You might see some of what happens on the inside but not really, right as opposed to writing a regression algorithm yourself or using x g boost or using lasso or ridge regression.

When you do those things, you see the outcome pretty clearly.

Does it take longer to learn that way? Yes.

Does it take longer to get to usable production results that way? Yes, absolutely.

But in Doing so you learn how the techniques work, and more importantly, when they don’t work.

When you’re doing marketing data science, that’s really important.

The ability to say, I know when ridge regression or lasso regression, or logistic regression, or linear regression are the right choices to make based on the data that I’m working with.

And the outcome I’m trying to achieve.

If you leave it all up to a machine, it may or may not make the best choice for your data.

I have run into that personally, gosh, so many times where an auto ml algorithm will try to to do a bunch of stuff on the data set, and it doesn’t understand some of what’s going on.

Here’s a very straightforward example.

A lot of these automated data science tools operate on the data pretty naively, they won’t look for example, for near zero variables which are variables where Most of the time, the zero they don’t look for or knockout correlates.

So let’s say, here’s an easy one.

Let’s say you’re doing an analysis of tweets, right? And you have all these tweets, and you’ve done character counts only 140 characters, hundred 70 characters, hundred 80 characters.

And then you do an analysis of how many words you know, 1015 2030 words in a tweet.

The two numbers, character count and word count are going to be perfectly correlated, right? Because they’re, essentially are derivatives of each other in some ways.

If you put that into a machine learning algorithm that is trying to predict or understand what feature what column in your data set has the highest relationship to an outcome you care about, like no retweets.

Those two columns can screw up the analysis Because they are so highly correlated, what you would have to do as a subject matter expert is look at that.

Okay, which one do I care about more, you know, Twitter makes character count, a lot more important than word count.

So that’s it, let’s knock out word count, we don’t necessarily need that we do want to have that character count in there.

This is something that again, a lot of automated data science tools will not know to do.

They will not know to do that, or they won’t be able to do that because they can’t tell which is more important.

You have to understand the concept of correlates.

And you as a subject matter experts in your data, have to say, you know what, let’s get rid of word count.

They’re highly correlated.

They’re probably not going to yield tremendous insight together.

So knock out one of them.

And let’s and use that for for the same regression analysis.

You can’t do that without understanding the concepts.

If you only focus on the tools, you will Follow the instructions on the tools push the buttons, and you may not get the best analysis.

Now, is that a shortcoming of the tool? Yes, yes, it is.

Is that something that the vendor of that tool could fix? Maybe, but probably not.

Because again, that decision about which column to knock out is a subject matter expertise decision, and that’s something that machines simply do not have.

So, learn the concepts, focus on the concepts, build expertise in the concepts.

In doing so, in applying that, you will get to a point where you will learn the tools, right, as a natural outgrowth of trying to learn the concept of trying to make the concept work.

That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t pick up the manual and learn the tool do but focus on the concepts.

That’s where you’re going to get the most value out of marketing, data science, the most value of the education and professional development you’re trying to do.

It will give you The best understanding of how things go wrong and ways to fix it when something goes wrong when you get an analysis that makes no sense.

Only knowing the concepts will get you past that hurdle.

Otherwise, you’ll spit out up a spurious analysis and maybe makes bad decisions from it.

It’s a really good question that’s spent a lot of time on this.

to focus on those concepts.

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Oz asks, “I have a question about what you mean about data quality can’t be sold and it’s seen as overhead? I suspect we’re talking about 2 different things but I’m curious about what you’re describing.”

In the data analytics and data science process, data quality is absolutely foundational – without it, nothing else matters. Yet companies underinvest in data quality because it’s a cost center. There’s no ROI in data quality that can easily be perceived. To the non-technical user, data is data and it’s often presumed to be correct until proven otherwise or it conflicts with your ideology/pre-determined opinion.

Lots of human prejudices get in the way. Imagine thinking you had cake flour, but you actually have said.
– “Well, we already paid for it so we may as well use it”
– “It can’t be that different, right?”
– “We’re focused on actionable insights anyway”
– “How wrong could it be, it’s from Google?”

How do you get someone to invest when they have such deep-seated flaws? You can’t, until the flawed data leads them to a negative outcome – and even then it’s unlikely they’ll accept responsibility for their decisions.

To prove the ROI of data quality, you have to leverage the scientific method and demonstrate just how different the outcomes are.

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In today’s episode oz asks, I have a question about what you mean about data quality can’t be sold, and it’s seen as overhead.

I suspect we’re talking about two different things.

But I’m curious about what you’re describing.

So in the data analytics process, yes, data quality is its foundational, right? It’s absolutely essential.

Without it, nothing else matters, right? If you are focusing on using data, and you don’t invest in data quality, and making sure your data is clean, and correct, and comprehensive, all the the six seasons of the Data Quality Framework, you’re going to end up in trouble.

We have seen no shortage of examples of people making decisions on flawed data, especially these days.

And yet, companies and individuals are Under investing in data quality, because it seemed as cost center seen as an expense.

Even if you’re saying to people look without correct data, we can’t make decisions here.

We can’t make decisions that will be good.

They see it as something that is, should be automatic.

Right? It shouldn’t need to happen.

And well, we’ll give you some examples.

Here’s some things that people have actually said, When confronted with poor data quality.

Well, can’t be that different, right? Yeah.

Well, we’re focused on actionable insights anyway, which come from data? Well, how long could it be? It’s from Google said about Google Analytics.

And my favorite, oh, we already paid for it, so we may as well use it.

Now, imagine, when we’re talking about data quality, imagine that We’re talking about baking a cake.

And you think you bought flour.

But you actually got sand.

Right? It sounds so silly.

These excuses sound so silly, don’t they? It’s like, well, it can’t be that different, right? Well, yeah, I mean, they’re both granular, but one is sand, and one is cake flour.

If you’re making a cake, you’re probably not going to be super thrilled with the outcome of a pile of sand.

And that’s where that’s where we run into trouble.

companies make these blanket assumptions.

And I should be clear individuals at companies make these blanket decisions that data is data.

And it’s got to be correct because it’s inside of a machine, right? And I’m constantly surprised at the number of people who have these very naive, really naive perceptions that because it comes out of a machine or it comes out of Google Analytics is something that must be corrected as presumed.

To be correct.

And is also presumed not to need any cleaning because it comes from Google Analytics.

Now, don’t get me wrong, Google Analytics is a terrific tool.

I love it.

But out of the box, it’s not right.

You got to spend some time tuning it.

The same is true of all marketing data, I have yet to see a single marketing data source, that when you export the data, and you load it into the analysis tool, your choice that it’s perfect, never seen one not yet.

A lot of vendors create good data, but it still needs cleaning still needs engineering still needs quality checks.

And data quality is seen as as an added expense to the process.

Well, why do we need it? Why do we need to invest in it? Why do we need a person other than an analyst to look at this? Why does that have to happen? it’s slowing down the process.

And again, all things that I have heard many many times and have gritted my teeth Keith, as, as they’ve been said, What’s more challenging Ben is when something goes wrong.

And it does because if you make a cake with sand, you’re not going to enjoy it.

And the person who made the decisions is shown the negative outcomes.

They generally don’t accept responsibility for their choices.

They will blame something else the system, the animals who did it, phases of the moon, whatever the case may be.

And I’ve also noticed and this is a societal thing is a sign of the times that when shown how the poor quality data has performed a person some people We’ll say, well, it doesn’t matter anyway, because this is what the outcome was I was looking for, right? There is a tremendous amount of behavior in which data that conflicts with someone’s ideology or pre existing opinion is rejected out of hand.

And that makes data quality leads and harder sell.

Because if they don’t care about the outcome, or they’ve got an outcome in mind, they would rather have the data just support whatever it is that they want to believe, rather than what it actually is.

So in a lot of ways, data quality is equivalent to the level of data literacy within an organization.

The more data literate an organization is, the more data literate that the decision makers are, the more likely it is that you’ll get them to invest in data quality and see it as not a cost center, but as an investment center, one that will pay dividends down the road because it will give you correct answers or better answers than poor quality data.

In a an organization where data literacy is low, you’re going to see resistance to data quality efforts, a lack of understanding about why Data Quality Matters, and a raft of excuses about why they’re not investing in it.

They don’t need to invest in it.

And there’s no plan to to make any effort to improve data quality.

So how do we resolve this? How do we prove the ROI of data quality? In the end, it comes down to the scientific method.

Right? It comes down to Let’s run two experiments one where you have a data set, maybe you split the data set in half, you fix one half, you leave the other half alone and you demonstrate clearly here is the role and importance of data quality.

If you do it right.

You get this result if you do it wrong, get this result.

And what a difference.

There is.

Real simple example, when you’re running For example, attribution analysis, in marketing, if you don’t clean out correlates, meaning variables that are highly correlated and, and strongly associated.

It will really throw wrench into a machine learning algorithm that’s attempting to figure out what variables actually matter when it comes to whether somebody converts or not.

So if you have number of characters in a tweet and number of words in a tweet, they’re gonna be highly correlated, because they’re coming from the same data.

That will throw a false signal to an algorithm like extreme gradient boosting and it will assume that those two things are independent when they’re not sometimes and blow up your attribution analysis.

You have to know that you have to know that that’s an issue.

And so you can run an experiment Where you clean one half of the data set, you get rid of things like both karlitz.

And you demonstrate, look, look how different the results are from the same algorithm from the same data set one half clean one half not.

And it will be different.

I have run into this many, many times, it’ll be substantially different.

Another easy one to deal with near zero variables, variables have almost no variants, and are at or near zero in value.

Again, this is something that regularly hoses, machine learning algorithms, trying to do things like attribution analysis.

If you know that’s a problem, you can clean it out.

If you don’t know that’s a problem, you end up with a bad analysis.

So that’s how we prove the ROI of data quality.

We show that just how big of a difference it makes in the eventual output from the system and show just how badly your decisions could go.

If you do not invest in data quality.

Good question.

We could have a long conversation about this.

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Jessica asks, “I struggle with forming hypotheses. Do I need more data to get better?”

Data probably isn’t the problem. A well-defined question you want the answer to is probably the problem. Consider what a valid hypothesis is, within the domain of marketing data science: a testable, verifiably true or false statement about a single condition. If you’re struggling, you may be:
– questioning non-testable things
– questioning more than one thing at the same time
– questioning things which cannot be controlled
– questioning things not based in prior knowledge

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In today’s episode, Jessica asks, I struggle with forming hypotheses Do I need to get better data or more data? data probably isn’t the problem here.

If you’re struggling with a hypothesis and with hypothesis formation or creation, the chances are that you’ve probably not got a well defined question.

So remember, the first three steps of the scientific method are to ask a question that you actually want an answer to, to define the question, define what information you’ll need, what information you have, and then formulate a valid hypothesis that you can then test.

A lot of the times when something goes wrong in data science, it is because we don’t have a well defined question.

We have a question that maybe is idle speculation.

We have a question that we don’t really have background in.

And so we’ll create just making stuff up.

And that obviously leads to terrible results.

When it comes to hypothesis formation, consider what a valid hypothesis is, within the domain of marketing, data science, it is a testable, verifiably true or false statement about a single condition.

There are in the scientific community, more broader definition of that, but for the purposes of marketing, data science and getting marketers to use the scientific method, that’s the definition we’re going to go with.

So think about that statement, testable, testable, provably true or false statement about a single condition.

What are the things that are going to go wrong? Obviously, trying to test multiple conditions, right.

So if you submit a hypothesis like if tweets on Tuesdays and emails longer than 1000 characters, engage users, then we should see our bounce rates go down and our conversions go up.

Right.

There’s a whole lot going on in there.

And that is impossible.

Well, it’s not impossible.

But it’s very difficult to to prove that statement.

As opposed to saying, If email sent on Tuesdays, get more engagement than tomorrow’s email on Tuesday should get an increased engagement compared to an email sent on a different day.

That is something is provably true or false about a single condition.

We’re going to test sending an email on Tuesdays.

So that’s one of the things that can go wrong.

And it’s one thing that a lot of marketers assume is perfectly fine to do when it’s not.

A second way your questions and your hypotheses go along as questioning things that can’t be controlled, right? testing things.

Can’t be controlled.

confounding variables confounding data are one of the biggest problems in marketing data science.

If you are trying to do post hoc analysis, meaning that you’ve, you’ve got some data and now you’re trying to analyze, but you didn’t set up an experiment and you didn’t control the conditions around the experiment, it’s going to be very difficult to turn that into something usable.

So let’s say you’re in Google Analytics, and you’re looking for a wide website traffic go down last month.

That’s a good question.

And you start coming up with all this analysis and theories about what happened to say your email marketing well, was the pay per click team doing something different? Was the social team doing something different with they running ads, it would be it’s much more difficult to do analysis after the fact rather than set up a properly controlled experiments.

That’s number two.

The things that will go wrong with your hypothesis is you don’t set up controlled events.

To the extent that you can, obviously within large complex websites and other digital marketing channels.

The third thing is questioning and trying to test non testable things.

There are things you can’t test, because the data is not available, or because in many cases since, fundamentally in marketing, we’re dealing with human beings, there are some things that are so subjective, that you can’t really test them not.

Well, not scientifically.

A good example, everyone will fall in love at some time, right? Say your perfume company, everyone will fall in love at some time.

Well, how do you define love, right? is such a subjective topic, that it’s really impossible to set up any kind of usable, testable, verifiable experiment because we wouldn’t be Be able to agree on what that is.

Same for something as simple as temperature, right? Say it’s hot outside.

Well, if you like cold weather, and your house is set at 58 in the wintertime, you clearly will think 70 degrees outside is hot.

Another person who loves hot weather, maybe 95 out there like it’s warm, but it’s not hot.

Like what? Okay, what’s hot 113 is hot for them in Fahrenheit.

And so it’d be very difficult to test something like a statement like everybody loves hot weather.

Well, how do you define hot? And the fourth way hypotheses go off the rails is testing things that are not based on prior knowledge.

Again, a hypothesis is something you’re trying to test based on an assumption or guests that you’ve made, which comes from existing data in your head, right? I believe that red as a call to action works better than blue.

So if we change the call to actions on our website from blue to red, we should see a 5% increase.

That’s based in some kind of prior knowledge even if it’s a guess.

But if you just start making things up, I believe that, you know, using images of dancing clowns will increase conversion.

Yes, you could test that.

But you’re questioning something is not based on prior knowledge and so it probably isn’t going to work out well.

Generally speaking, when you’re dealing with hypotheses, more data will not improve your hypothesis.

defining what data you need.

Will being able to say if I believe that you’ll read improves conversion over blue, having information prior studies prior information, biology information about how the human eye proceed Color all those things would be useful data points to collect, assessing what percentage of the population you have and their demographics because color perception changes with age.

Those are things that would be useful to have available as it’s not more data per se, it is being more clear about the data that you need.

The best way to deal with hypothesis creation really is to look at that whole.

Is this a provably true or false statement without a single condition? That’s where I would start.

Most of the time.

I would bet if your hypotheses aren’t working out, well, it’s because it is not in that format.

The lesson we learned in high school or or secondary school was if then statements If This Then That.

If red is more stimulating than blue, then changing the read the buttons on the website to read should result in higher conversion rates of 5% right? That’s the best way to start forming hypotheses, and get more comfortable with it.

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Jessica asks, “How will a data scientist create my model or hypothesis if they don’t know my business?”

This is an excellent question. The short answer is: they can’t, not reliably. Not something you’d want to bet your business on. Data science is the combination of four things: business skills/domain knowledge, scientific skills, technical skills, and mathematical/statistical skills. The first two are often neglected in data science training.

In the absence of domain knowledge, you’ll need to supply a subject matter expert.

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In today’s episode, Jessica asks, How will a data scientist create my model or hypothesis if they don’t know my business? So the excellent question and actually one of the big problems facing data science machine learning artificial intelligence? The short answer is yes.

There is no way to create a hypothesis, a way to create a model, no way to create a piece of code without knowing the business.

Remember, the data science is fundamentally four different skills, right? It is business skills and subject matter expertise or domain experience.

It is scientific skills.

It is technical skills, and as mathematical skills, statistical skills.

A lot of what people think of as data science tend to be overly heavy on the technical skills by a large margin and then mathematical skills.

And those are important.

You can’t do data science without those two, at the more complicated levels, but the scientific skills, hypothesis creation tends to not be taught a whole lot or taught very well.

And the domain expertise and the subject matter expertise are something you really, you really can’t teach effectively in a generic data science course, or degree or whatever.

And I know there’s a ton of them out there to get your data science certificate in six weeks.

And what they’re teaching mostly is coding.

But that’s a quarter of the puzzle, right? hypothesis testing.

When you’re creating a hypothesis, it there’s three steps to it right there is you have a question you need an answer to you define the parameters of the question what data you’ll need, what information you need, and then you create a hypothesis which is a verifiably true or false statement on a single condition.

Example.

You’re about to do website AB test experiment.

And you have a hypothesis.

Well, you have a question like, what would make my website convert better? That’s a pretty broad question.

What are all the things that go into conversions? Do your customer journey mapping, do your path analysis? Do your audience segmentation and demographics and now you’re starting to define the problem and you come down to we think that we’ve got a different audience from one channel in another.

I think our Twitter audience is different than our LinkedIn audience.

Okay, that’s a that’s a good definition of the problem.

Now, how are you going to test that? What will you test to prove true or false that statement? But the question would be where the hypothesis would be, our Twitter audience converts better than our LinkedIn audience.

That’s a really good hypothesis because you can prove it true or false.

And it’s only testing one thing.

So you will go to a landing page on your website, you would optimize as best you could.

And then, with great tracking codes, you would send your Twitter audience that page, you would send your LinkedIn audience that page, you run the test for a sufficient amount of time, which you would determined by sample size calculation.

And then after that, you would analyze the results and draw a conclusion that either one audience does perform better than the other.

Neither audience performs better than the other, or that you messed up somewhere and you have to start over again.

But you can see how if you didn’t have marketing, domain expertise, marketing skills, you might leap to the most naive conclusion.

Well, let’s try changing the button color.

Well, no.

In this example, maybe you identified the audience was the problem.

Remember going back to Bob stones 1968 direct marketing framework list, offer creation list is your audience.

And you have to test these, you have to figure out where the problem is in these different areas.

And so that’s where that domain knowledge is so important.

And why you can’t do data science.

Without it, if you try, you’re going to come up with either things that are very surface and they might make incremental improvements, right? If you change the button color on your website, it might perform a little bit better and might even be statistically relevant.

But it’s not solving the big problem that you brought to it the big question, which is how do we make our website perform better? So, there is no substitute for domain knowledge and subject matter expertise.

Now, does your data scientist need that? A data science project needs that but the individual person may not necessarily have to if you are a or you are or you have a skilled project manager.

They can identify where the gaps are in those four areas and then bring in extra people on the project assuming you have the For it to supplement where your data scientists, scientists or science team might be lacking.

So you might in the in the marketing case, you might have a data scientist who is technically skilled, mathematically skilled.

You might have a project manager who is scientifically skilled and who can think how do we how are we going to set up this project to be statistically valid.

And then you bring out a subject matter expertise, you bring in your VP of marketing or your marketing director and say, hey, what help us identify a question define the problem deeply, so that we know what to test and what will happen over time, as long as everybody gets along is that you will see cross pollination of skills you will get the project man but think even more statistically, or more technical, you’ll get the data scientist to think more business or more subject matter expertise to get the marketer to think about scientific testing of technical stuff.

And that’s what you want.

You want that team to become a cohesive unit to fulfill all four areas.

Data Science.

If you don’t have all that accessible, then your data science projects are not going to work, you need to have all four areas fulfilled, not necessarily the same person, but you need to have it in all four areas so that the project doesn’t go off the rails, so you don’t waste a lot of time and a lot of money.

One of the reasons why data science projects, machine learning projects, artificial intelligence projects go off the rails is that you’re missing a key area.

And you end up with a result that’s not usable.

You end up with a conclusion that’s like, well, we tested we think, you know, poop emojis on Tuesdays work best Well, okay.

The statistical side will say, Show me the statistical significance of that.

A technical side would be like okay, make sure we did the implementation correctly, but the business and domain knowledge side and say, pretty sure that has almost no relevance to my business.

Unless you know, you like Sharman and you can’t substitute it You cannot expect the machines to do it for you.

There is no no AI out there in the present day that has broad general knowledge that can provide domain expertise and subject matter expertise, not not even the most advanced ones, you can give them very specific now tasks and provide a lot of background data to those tasks, but the orchestration, the coordination, the keeping the machine on the rails, that is still very much the provenance and the domain of human beings.

So, good question.

Be careful, be careful as you do these data science projects.

Make sure that you have a great project plan.

Make sure that you have all the necessary skills in order to make it successful.

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Jessica asks, “As a Data Scientist for marketing, how do you decide which variables are important?”

Generally speaking, feature selection or variable/predictor importance is the technique you’d use to make that determination – with the understanding that what you’ll likely get is correlative in nature. You then have to use the scientific method to prove causation.

And that’s if you find a relationship that isn’t spurious. Sometimes, you’ll get spurious correlations – correlations that make no sense at all, which is why you must know your data set well as a subject matter expert. And the worst case scenario is when you get no relationships at all. That means you have to augment or engineer variables.

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Today’s episode Jessica asks, as a data scientist for marketing, how do you decide which variables are important? So variable importance, also known as feature selection, predictor importance is a set of techniques and algorithms that you use to essentially try to figure out which of the variables that you have in a data set have a relationship with the outcome that you care about.

So this is typically regression analysis, although it can there can be variants for classification, but fundamentally, it’s a regression analysis to figure out is there a mathematical relationship between an outcome and all the data that you have with it? And this is something that we’ve been doing for a very, very long time, right? If you’ve ever run a basic correlation and an Excel spreadsheet, you’re technically doing a type of Variable importance or variable selection.

What’s different today from doing it an Excel, for example, is that you can use machine technology to look at every possible combination of variables, which you would call multiple regression or multiple regression subset analysis, and have machines try and pick the algorithm that would be best suited for that data set, because there are some algorithms that are better suited for looking at categorical or non number data.

There’s some algorithms that are good at number of data.

There’s some algorithms that are good at both, but not as good as either one.

And so using machine learning technology allows us to identify those relationships in a much more robust way.

And quite frankly, just a faster way than trying to do it by hand.

Now, what you get with a lot of feature selection techniques is is a correlation regression analysis leads to a correlation.

And that’s important to know because when you have a correlation or an association, you have not proved causation.

Stats one on one correlation is not causation.

So you would use machine learning technology to first do a first pass at what are the features that we think are important and then, ideally use the scientific method to prove that this has a relationship with the outcome.

Now, that’s if you find that the relationship isn’t spurious.

Sometimes you will get what’s called spurious correlations, correlations that make no sense at all.

They’re they’re variables that have no relationship.

But the machine sees a pattern, even though it’s not valid.

There’s actually a great blog by Tyler vegan called spurious correlations, go Google spurious correlations is hilarious.

It’s all these things that have strong correlations.

But clearly no relationship to each other, like the number of people who died from drowning and the number of movies, Nicolas Cage has been right have no relationship to each other.

But there’s a mathematical relationship.

And that’s why you need the scientific method to be able to prove that what A causes B.

This is also why you have to know your data set really well as a subject matter expert, part of data science is having that subject matter expertise so that you can look at the variables that a machine would say, these correlate, and go.

Now they don’t really correlate they, I mean, they, they mathematically do have a relationship, but it’s not a valid relationship.

And the worst case scenario with a lot of these tools is that you get a whole bunch of nothing, you get a whole bunch of inconclusive answers that then tell you, you don’t have enough data, or there’s data missing or their relationships missing any data that you then have to go and either augment by bringing in more data or engineer by creating new data from the Data you already have.

So let’s look at an example of this.

I’ll bring this up here.

This is IBM Watson Studio.

And what I’ve done is I’ve taken my lead scoring data from my marketing automation system.

I fed it in here, I said, Tell me feature importance wise, all the data that I’m collecting in my marketing automation system.

What has the highest math mathematical relationship to the outcome I care about, which in this case is the points if you’ve ever worked with a marketing automation or CRM system, lead score or points is one of the indicators that says hey, this is a high quality lead or this is a low quality lead.

In this case, we see a very strong relationship between when a contact was last active and their lead score.

This makes total sense, the more active you are and the more frequent you actually actually you are, of course, the higher the points are probably going to have right somebody who’s was active once four years ago.

And not a very good lead.

The second relationship which is much, much weaker, I would actually say it’s there’s not a relationship here is activity on Twitter.

And so this is an example of you had a very good indicator, which is activity and then you got some indicators that not so good.

And then you go into the suburbs here, there’s a whole bunch of data that has no relationship whatsoever.

So now we have a relationship.

The question is, could we prove that this relationship leads to a higher lead score? Well, we know intuitively that that probably is the case.

But we want to scientifically prove that to do that, we could do things like send more emails or run retargeting and remarketing ads to see if we can get people to be active, who are not active.

So I would take my data set.

Take everybody who’s been active in the last 30 days, put them out of the data set.

Take action, don’t put them in a control Group, take everybody who’s older than 30 days, put them in the experiment group.

Maybe randomize mix and match, like 20%.

I mean, and then run the same ads to both saying, hey, come read today’s email, right? And what we’d want to see is, who do we see the points increase on the experiment group? substantially.

To prove that activity date last active actually does increase lead scores.

This is a very simple, straightforward way to prove this.

Here’s the catch.

This is where subject matter expertise comes in.

If my lead scoring algorithm, the way that I’ve chosen to assign points in my marketing automation system is flawed or makes no sense then I could be testing and proving something that doesn’t matter.

Right.

We would want to, for example, analyze taking a step back, does lead score have a relationship with people who actually bought something If it doesn’t, then the lead score itself is broken.

And then this analysis doesn’t matter.

So you get a sense when it comes to how to decide what variables are important, there is a lot of technology, but there’s also a lot of business sense.

There’s also a lot of common sense.

Is there a relationship here? Does that relationship matter? So these are the questions that you would need to take as you do this kind of analysis.

Really good question, challenging question because again, there are so many layers to the onion that you’re going to end up peeling back, but you’ll realize at some point, things may be more broken than you think.

That’s always a challenging place to be in.

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Jessica asks, “How do you feel about citizen data scientists?”

I love the theory, the concept, and to be sure, there are plenty of people who are data scientists that lend their expertise to causes and movements outside of their day jobs. But the question is, is a citizen data scientist someone who is a data scientist operating outside of work, or a citizen who becomes a data scientist?

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In today’s episode, Jessica asks, How do you feel about citizen data scientists? I feel fine.

all seriousness.

I love the theory, the concept.

The question is what are we talking about here? Because the citizen data scientist could be two things.

It could be a data scientist who is applying their skills and their capabilities to solve problems causes social good outside of work, right? So there are data scientists like in a big bank during the daytime and then the evenings.

They’re so motivated or so excited to tackle a challenge for a cause that they go off and that’s what they do in their evenings.

That’s one interpretation.

The second interpretation is a citizen, a normal person who has Cause they’re passionate about and wants to learn data science skills to be able to help further along that cause.

Both interpretations are equally valid.

There’s no wrong answer here.

And there are certainly plenty in the first group of people who are data scientists who are applying their efforts to causes to, to champion things outside of work.

Those folks I’m not worried about those folks are the folks who are, who know what they’re doing, and have the skills, the training the tools, they need to be able to lend their talents, whatever.

So that’s, that’s one group.

It’s the second category that I feel like it has is difficult.

And here’s what I mean by that.

Data Science is four sets of capabilities.

It is business skills.

It is technical skills, his mathematical and statistical skills and his scientific skills.

Those are the four major categories of skills that you need to have as a data science to be effective at it.

Each of them.

You know, I joke that data scientists are so expensive because it’s four jobs for the price of one.

Each of those areas requires a certain level of competence to be effective.

If you are lending your expertise towards, say a cause.

Presumably, you have some background in that cause you have some knowledge of it already.

But to be effective in data science, you need to have a good deep understanding of the subject matter, you need to be something of a subject matter expert in it.

The technical skills we’ve discussed many times the ability to write some code, the ability to, to use coding tools, to get the machines to do what you want at the at the more advanced levels.

And I will caveat all this by saying that the fundamental underpinning of data science that we define is as someone who extracts insights meaningful insights from data using the scientific method.

So, of those four buckets of skills, the scientists part is actually the most important because if you’re not doing the scientific method, hypothesis testing and such, validating experiments, creating reproducible results, then you’re not doing data science, you may be doing data analysis, which is totally fine.

And then really important.

You may be doing, you know, data analytics, you may be doing data engineering, but you’re not necessarily doing data science unless you’re using the scientific method.

But when we think about the common ways people ascribe data science skills to individuals, we think of those four buckets business, technical, scientific, mathematical, and for the average person, they may not have enough background in those areas.

Now they can learn absolutely they can learn anyone can learn data science, anyone can learn the underpinnings, you can learn statistics, you can take stats one on one again and again.

As if you can learn how to code, you can learn probability, you can learn calculus, you can learn your cause really well.

But that’s typically not what people do.

Unless they are so invested in cause that it becomes all consuming that becomes their life.

And then yes, developing those skills and that passion does occur.

But for the most part, that’s not how I’ve seen people operate and it’s not a knock on people.

It’s just that if you throw it there, very few people can throw themselves at a cause so fiercely, that they will, frankly endure the months and months it will take to develop those skills need to those areas, to spend six to 12 months learning how to write Python code or our code to take the six to 12 months to learn how to work SQL databases and to do Learn probability and Bayesian network theory.

Do people do it? Yes.

Is it a lot of people know.

And my hesitation with the second category of citizen data scientist is that is the line of, you know, just enough to be dangerous, but not enough to know how dangerous and by that I mean, you you, you love this cause you believe this cause you don’t have all the skills, you need to be an effective data scientist to know that what’s likely to go wrong.

And you work for an organization that needs the help.

But because your skills are not complete skills, not complete young Jedi.

You mislead them.

You create incorrect analyses you you point them in the wrong direction and you end up harming the thing that you’re trying to help.

Now for some things, the amount of harm you could do is relatively low, right? If you are Working for an organization you’re helping them with like their email marketing analytics, like, hey, I want to help you make your emails better, you’re probably not going to do something so drastic that will cause the open rates to go to zero.

Right? You probably won’t impact them positively, if you don’t know you’re doing.

But for other causes and organizations and things like if you were to, I don’t know, actually a really good example is there’s, during the whole pandemic, there was a whole group of folks who like we’re going to use machine learning and data science to find the ideal therapeutic to stop this pandemic and the results they produced were unimpressive.

But more important, theirs they produced are actively harmful to some people.

And so you have a bunch of people who don’t have the domain expertise, trying to apply their technology skills, mostly technology skills to a problem they don’t understand and causing potentially harm to other people’s lives.

In a, like an acute, immediate way, like if you take this drug that they recommend, it probably will not do good things for you.

And so that’s my hesitation about that second category citizen data scientist.

And even in the pharmaceutical example, we were just talking about those people who have technical skills, but they don’t have the scientific skills, and they don’t have the domain knowledge to know that what they’re proposing is dangerous or potentially dangerous.

And so I would say citizen data scientists, ideally are confined to areas where they can learn the skills that can get skill up in each of those four areas, but are confined in such a way that if they come up with a wrong conclusion, the level of risk is low.

You really should not be doing anyway.

Advanced Data Science tasks, on things that are literally life and death.

Probably shouldn’t do it.

help someone with the email marketing.

Sure, help them understand the web analytics better.

Sure.

optimize the have buttons on their pages? Sure, that’s low risk stuff, you’re not going to blow up the world, you’re not going to kill anybody.

But I would say that I am hesitant to say that we should try to create an army of citizen data scientists without those guardrails? So, good question.

There’s a lot more to unpack here because we do need more people with data science skills, and I don’t want us to worry people and say, Oh, no, I’m not going to do it.

No, please, absolutely pursue it in low risk areas.

So that if something goes wrong, you’re not going to cause any harm.

Absolutely pursue it to learn to develop yourself professionally.

Absolutely.

do those things.

Just don’t apply it to life and death matters.

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Jessica asks, “When it comes to marketing data science, I’ve got very good business knowledge, but lack of the technical side. any advice?”

The first question you have to ask is whether you need the hands-on skills or just knowledge of what’s possible. The second question is what skills you already have. Remember that in marketing data science, technical skills go hand in hand with mathematical and statistical skills. One without the other is a disaster waiting to happen.

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In today’s episode, Jessica asks, When it comes to marketing, data science, I’ve got very good business knowledge, but lack of the technical side any advice? So, there’s a couple of questions to unpack here.

Remember that data science data science is all about the intersection of four skills, business skills, technical skills, mathematical skills, and scientific skills.

And to be a data scientist, you have to have aptitudes in all of them.

You don’t have to be expert, but you’ve got to be competent in all those areas.

So that you know what you’re doing, why you’re doing it, how you’re going to do it, and what to do with what’s what tech tools and techniques you will need.

The technical side is the part that people spend an awful lot of time on.

Do I need to do you know, be doing R or Python trouble using SQL servers? Should I be using an NO SEQUEL environments, what should the what are the tools and for data science in particular, I would actually say that the mathematical and statistical side is more important to start with, because the tools are how you do something, the math is what to do and why you would choose a specific technique.

Even something as really simple as the difference between average and median is important because they have different uses use cases, you would use an average for example, on a normal distribution, you would use a median on a non normal distribution like a power law curve.

And so knowing the techniques will then guide you as to which technical skill you need, what functions you know and which language to use.

If you go about it the wrong way.

Well, it’s not wrong.

If you go about the technical first mathematical Second, you will find yourself at getting caught up in shiny object syndrome and be choosing techniques that may not be appropriate for the problem you’re trying to solve.

So when it comes to Jessica’s question in particular, the first question is, do you need the hands on technical skills you may not, depending on your company, depending on the environment you’re working in, if you have data scientists and such on staff already, you may be able to get help with the technical and mathematical and you need to be versed in what’s possible what the right choices are understanding the theoretical frameworks, you may not necessarily need to get your hands out to start writing code.

If you have people who can help do that.

We have an agency that will help you do that.

But you need to know what to ask for.

It’s like it’s the difference between going to a restaurant and knowing what you want off the menu and in what order they go.

versus going into the kitchen and cooking it yourself.

Right You can have somebody else cook it for But you still need to tell them what you want and whether it’s available and a good choice.

And somebody says, You know what you want it for your appetizer, you’re like Boston Cream Pie.

These situations where that’s not necessarily appropriate.

And the same is true in data science.

So that’s the first question, do you need the technical skills? Or do you just need the know how, what’s possible so that you can orchestrate the project as more of a project manager? And then the second question, really, is that assessment of what skills do you have? Do you have the mathematical and statistical background? If you don’t, again, I firmly believe that you’ll be a better data scientist in the long run.

If you are versed in the statistical first, and then in the technical second.

Take a course there’s a good jillion and a half courses out there and you know, in the recording this in the middle of 2020 A whole bunch of them are free right now, and will probably be free for a little while longer.

So go and take courses that will help you get the knowledge that you want.

Right on the statistical side, then go take some technology courses again, many, many many for free out there, the big fork in the road that you’re gonna run into is going to be on the technical side, there’s really two major languages R and Python.

Python you see used a bit more on the machine learning side are you see a bit more used on the statistical and data science side, but both are very capable.

Both are great at covering 96 97% of use cases out there.

And there are packages in each language that allow you to interoperate in other in the other language.

AR has a package called particularly which allows us Python code inside of our notebook environments like the Jupiter notebook and environment allow you to run multiple languages simultaneously as long as you know them.

And you can manipulate data in them.

And so there’s a lot that can you can do in those environments to interoperate.

So pick whichever one works better with your brain, because they are very different languages from a syntax perspective.

And start with that, I personally lean towards our I’m a little older, I got a little gray here, hair here.

And I grew up in languages like C and Java, which are more restrictive languages, so are feels more natural to me.

There are no shortage of people, including my kids, for whom Python is a lot more natural.

It’s it’s easier for them and I can hack around in Python, but it still is not as intuitive to me as our either way.

The languages themselves are secondary to learn how to think as a programmer.

One of the reasons horses that I think is actually a really powerful and useful resource is a of a fun game language called Scratch by MIT.

If you go to scratch.mit.edu.

It lets you play around with little colored blocks that help you understand the concepts of programming with again without having to write code.

And that kind of environment really gets you thinking about the What am I doing and why am I doing it not necessarily the how of the implementation.

So it’s a really good intro to programming as a whole.

And then you can use that knowledge and graduate to things like IBM Watson Studio, for example, which has the SPSS modeler inside, which is again those little colored blocks that you drag and drop in and connect them in sequence.

If you’re thinking about how to program and you learn in an environment like scratch, you can graduate to a professional environment and do the same things again without having to learn how to code.

So when it comes to marketing, data science, learn the statistical then learn the technical and on the technical side, choose path dabble around at first, see which one’s more comfortable.

Take like an intro to R and an intro to Python, see which one feels better to you.

If neither feels better, you know that you’re going to be on the project management route because you’re not you’re not going to enjoy the technology.

One of the things and we’ll talk about this in soft skills at some point is that if you don’t love the doing it part, don’t make yourself do it.

Yes, the salaries in data science are great and all that stuff.

But if it doesn’t make you happy, you’re not going to do a good job and you’ll be miserable.

I don’t particularly enjoy doing finance.

I’m not good at it.

So it’s it’s a you pick.

If you’re going to consider this as a career option.

Make sure you love doing it.

Make sure that you want to do it.

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Phil asks, “How do you determine a large enough sample size for things like our survey? I always thought 10% sample would be enough, but you seemed to think that’s not true?”

It depends on the size of the overall population. The smaller the population, the larger the sample you need. It also depends on the level of accuracy you need – how repeatable, and what margin of error you’re comfortable with. Many surveys are done at a 95% confidence level (meaning if you repeated the survey 100 times, 95 times it would come back the same) and anywhere from a 2-3% margin of error (meaning that if 49% of people said no to 1 question and 51% said yes, statistically there is no difference, but if 48/52, then there is a difference). Watch the video for a full explanation and examples.

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In today’s episode, Phil asks, How do you determine a large enough sample size for things like a survey how I always thought 10% sampled be enough, but you seem to think that’s not true.

Is is not true.

Here’s why.

surveys and statistical validity depend on the size of the population you’re surveying.

The smaller the population, the larger sample, you’re going to need to deal with.

outliers and, and discrepancies.

And it’s tough to explain, you know, let’s do this.

I’m gonna take, I have five colored blocks here, right, three green, three blue to yellow and put them in this hat.

Now I’m gonna pull one block out of this hat.

Remember, three, three, blue, to yellow.

This is a 20% sample of a public f5 if I conclude then based on the sample that every block in this hat is blue, we know that’s not true, right? There’s two yellows and three blues in here.

And so from a very small sample sample size, I have to be able to randomly draw, you know, I pull out to here, still blue, right? I pull out three here.

Okay, now we’re starting to get somewhere now there’s, there’s a yellow in there, pull up for an 80% sample, three blue and one yellow, and then 100% sample five.

So if you have a very small population, one outlier can really ruin the survey size right? Now if yes, I do keep blocks and other creative things at my desk.

If I have a box full of these, right, and I start pulling out a handful.

This is probably about 10%.

You’re gonna see there’s because there’s so many more blocks.

As long as they are properly mixed, when I pull out samples, I can start to see that I’m getting a more representative sample of the population as a whole.

Now, if this black box were 300 million bricks, we wouldn’t be doing this video because my basement would be full.

But at this, if I had 300 minutes, I could pull out 1000 of these.

And again, as long as it was well mixed, I would have a pretty good idea of what the entire sample would look like, or what the entire population look like, based on that sample of 1000.

Because there’s so many, that as long as it’s stirred, I’m getting a representation, that’s what we’re trying to figure out is, can we get a group, a cluster that is representative of the whole that we can extrapolate to the whole, when you have a small group, you can’t do that because there’s such a much greater chance of, of variation of variability that you could end up drawing some really long conclusion Even something as simple as say, like, I’m at a conference, and I get speaker reviews back, and there’s 500 people in the room, and 10 people left reviews and, you know, 15 or 10 people left reviews, five of them said I was a great speaker 5% was a terrible speaker.

Is that representative? No, not even close.

Because there’s a self selection bias, even there, those 10 people felt strongly enough to leave comments.

And the other 490 people didn’t.

And there’s a very good chance that those 490 people felt differently than the 10 people who did decide to respond.

So there’s a whole bunch of different ways that you have to tackle surveys in particular, I would refer you to there’s there’s three reading sources, I think a great one is Edison research.

And my friend Tom Webster, who so go to Edison research calm And also brand savant.com is a good place to go.

And then there are organizations, the American Association, American Association of Public Opinion researchers a4, a p o r.org.

And Castro, the coalition of Americans.

Oh gosh, I don’t know what both of those are great organizations to have detailed best practices about Public Opinion Research and surveys that will give you some really good starting points for understanding how to do surveys Well, how to avoid many of the biases and the traps that that you run into.

Non response bias, meaning that the people who don’t respond are different than the people who do respond is a big one.

If you’re doing a survey of, say, your email newsletter list, and you only send it to people who have opened emails in the past, well, what about all those people who don’t open your emails? Do they feel differently about your brand of your company? You bet they do.

You bet they do.

So You have to keep in mind all these different things can go wrong, your best bet for doing a sample, determining sample size is to use one of the many, many sample size calculators out there on the web.

Survey Monkey has one surveygizmo has one pretty much every surveying company has one.

And they’re going to ask you for two major numbers.

They want to know your confidence level and your confidence interval.

confidence level means that if you repeat a process 100 times what number of times you get the same results.

So when when I have this five blocks in the hat business, right, how many times I repeat this draw 100 times in a row, how many times Am I going to get the same result? That is your confidence level.

Most surveys operate at a 95% confidence.

Well, that’s the general best practice if you repeated the survey 100 times 90 five of those times you get the same result.

That’s it.

That is that will help you determine the sample size, how large of the population? Do you need to survey in order to get that reliability of 95 times out of 100? You get the same results in your survey.

The second is confidence interval or margin of error.

This is how granular Do you need the results to be in order to be able to judge that’s accurate? So let’s say there’s a yes or no question.

Right? And 49% of people said no, and 51% of people said yes.

If you have a margin of error of 3%, meaning any answer could go either way, plus or minus 3%.

Then a 49% of people said no and 51% of people said yes, there’s a large enough margin of error there that you can’t tell which answer is correct, right, because the 49% could be as low as 46% could be as high as 52%.

And the 51%, could be as low as 48%, as high as 54%.

And they overlap That means that your confidence interval is too wide, the catches, the narrower you make the confidence interval, the larger your sample has to be, in order to have it be representative.

The same is true of confidence level, the higher your confidence level 9095 99%, the larger your sample has to be.

If you incur a cost of, you know, for sending out a survey, then you have to make that balance between how much do I want to spend, and how accurate Do I need my survey to be and it is a balancing game to make that determination, especially if you ever want to ask questions, we have to drill down to a subset of your population, then it’s going to get really expensive.

So keep that in mind.

These are good questions to ask before you do a survey because they dictate the type of survey you’re going to do.

They dictate the cost of it.

They dictate what you can and can’t do with the information.

So it’s a really good question.

Again, use my other calculators Spend some time learning about surveys in particular the biases that go into them, because that is what will ruin them more than anything else is having, you know, doing a survey and saying it’s representative.

And then it not be.

Because if you make a decision based on a sample that’s too small and therefore skewed, you could really throw off every decision you make from that, like, Oh, do you spend money on this as a focus of yours? Is this something that people care about? If the answers are skewed, because you didn’t get a good enough sample, you could spend a lot of time and money, a waste a lot of time and money on something that’s not going to work.

So get the serving basics down first before you run the survey.

Because the other thing that’s tricky about services, there’s no going back.

There’s no rewinding.

You can’t fix the data of the survey data after you’ve done it.

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