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You Ask, I Answer: Demand Generation Tips?
Chris asks, “What are your suggestions for improving demand generation, especially for a B2B brand?”

You Ask, I Answer: Demand Generation Tips?
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In this episode, Chris asks, What are your suggestions for improving demand generation, especially for a B2B brand? Well, let’s start by talking about what demand generation means.

Because there’s a lot of confusion, particularly in B2B marketing, between demand generation lead generation, a lot of folks use those terms interchangeably and they are not the same thing.

Demand Generation does what it says it does it increases demand for products and services.

Lead Generation, again, does what it says it does, it generates more leads if you’re doing it, right.

So how do you create more demand? Not more leads, but more demand? Demand comes essentially in three or four flavors, right? There’s people who know that they have a problem, they know there’s a solution.

And they know that you are one of those solutions.

That’s branded demand, right? You see this and you measure this with things like branded organic search, how many people are searching for, say, Trust Insights by name, if they’re searching for Trust Insights, or Katy robear, or Christopher Penn by name.

They know they have a problem.

They know this a solution.

And they know that we are potentially one of the solutions for that problem.

So that’s branded demand.

It’s the best kind of demand, right? And you build that demand.

By the by its very name, its brand, it’s all about brand, and brand.

My favorite definition of brand is from Jay Frank way back in 2006.

Said that brand, is the emotional aftertaste of a series of experiences, which I love that brand is the emotional aftertaste of a series of experiences.

And he goes on to point out, that’s why you can sell grandma’s cookies, and not old people’s cookies.

They’re the same thing.

But one has an emotional aftertaste.

The other one kind of doesn’t.

What emotional aftertaste does your brand convey? Right? Trust Insights, for example, it’s our company.

It literally in the name is the idea of building trust.

We want people to feel comfortable, we want people to feel safe, feel like they’re making a good decision, feel reassured, feel that we put the truth, trust truth, same thing ahead of what’s common in analytics, which is an awful lot of people sort of handing executives and stakeholders the answers that they want to hear.

Now, sometimes I will be totally honest, sometimes that makes us not the most popular people in the room, right? When the executive says I want to see his number always going up into the right like, well, I got bad news.

We went down to the right, but it’s truthful.

And so our brand, the emotional aftertaste we are going after is that feeling of trust, right? That reassurance? There are plenty of brands in B2B and B2C that have an emotional aftertaste to it to them.

Sometimes it’s not very good.

But it’s they’re an example of a brand that leaves a very strong emotional aftertaste.

Harley Davidson, right.

I just got to say the name.

And you know, what that brand feels like that evokes an emotional response and emotional aftertaste to you.

If I say, McDonald’s, well, that may inspire some kind of reaction.

If I say Google Cloud AI or AWS, those evoke some kinds of emotional reactions.

That’s brand, right.

And brand is demand.

Brand is demand.

I can’t say that enough times brand is demand because at that layer of demand generation, that’s how people know to find you.

Right? That’s how people know to trust you to to start the process of lead generation, right, you can’t have lead generation if you have no demand.

If there’s nobody’s interested in you and nobody knows who you are, you cannot generate leads, and you can but they’re not going to be very good quality.

Compare that with a name or brand that is trusted, or that is a sure thing.

And you will have a much easier time generating leads another B2B example back in the 80s.

And I’ve probably goes further back than that.

But there was this atheism in B2B.

Nobody ever gets fired for buying IBM, right.

In fact, I probably didn’t even need to say the brand for folks who, like me got a little more gray hair.

And you probably remember that a for ism floating around your business.

Nobody ever gets fired.

For Buying IBM.

Right? That’s rent.

So that’s the first type of demand generation.

The

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second type is we go up that thing.

I have a problem.

I know this a solution.

I know that this brand has a solution.

Well, the second one is I know there’s a solution, but I don’t know who or what.

That’s unbranded demand.

Right? There’s no brand attached to that demand.

But you know, there’s a solution out there.

If I’m trying to do regression analysis, I know there’s a library out there that does the type of regression I’m looking for.

I gotta go look for it.

I go find it.

Maybe I’ll ask some friends, maybe ask some colleagues, read some reviews on Reddit, whatever the case may be unbranded demand, which we often measure with unbranded search, but it also is social media conversations and academic publications and q&a forums, unbranded demand is that second layer, how do you create unbranded demand you somebody knows they have a problem, but they don’t understand the solution.

So you educate you educate you become an educator, and by the way that builds your brand.

To help people understand, Oh, I’m dealing with being blacklisted in my email marketing.

Oh, it’s because I didn’t set up any my deliverability protocols.

Okay, who fixes it? Who does that? Who can fix that? For me? I don’t want to fix it myself.

Who does that for me? That’s unbranded demand.

And then the third layer is, you may not know that you have a problem.

You may know something’s wrong, but you may not be able to a to elucidate on what the problem is that you just know something’s wrong, hey, our web analytics numbers are down 40% This month, right? It can make you feel like I don’t know what to do about this, like, what does this mean? What should we do what’s wrong? That’s the start of demand generation problem, those problems begin the creation of demand, right? That pain, that discomfort that ill at ease that dis ease becomes eventually demand.

So the question you have to tackle is which of these three layers of demand right, the creation of raw demand itself with problem identification, unbranded demand, where your customers are looking for a solution? They’re trying to figure out what the solution should be? And then branded demand that you are the solution, which of these things is your problem? The further away you get from the lead, right? The the less control you have over it.

Right? So for example, Hubspot for years, spent like 10 years on hundreds of millions of dollars building the unbranded term, inbound marketing, right, there was a problem.

Marketers were struggling to build demand.

They’re struggling to get results, and Hubspot, like okay, we’re gonna go and create a new category, we’re going to create an unbranded brand, right, a nonspecific branded inbound marketing, which of course, they own.

And after 10 years, and $100 million, they successfully owned that category, they’ve built unbranded and branded demand at the same time.$

Now, if you don’t have 10 years and100 million, that’s probably not the best approach to take.

But the further away you get from lead generation, the less control you have, and the more expensive it gets.

Because you are trying to essentially highlight to people Yeah, you actually do have a problem.

And the problem is your emails aren’t getting through, or your problem is you’re not being found in Google, or the problem is, your your leads are down.

And here’s the solution.

And then here’s how we implement the solution.

So which of those three layers is your demand? Weakest in? And can you fix it? Do you have the resources, the budget the time to fix it? Because sometimes you don’t have the time, right? If your VP is breathing down your neck, like, hey, it’s a it’s a month left in the quarter.

And we’re our lead numbers are off for 2%.

What are you gonna do? You don’t have time for a 10 year brand campaign, right? Because you got to make your quarterly numbers.

So those are my suggestions, figure out which layer of the brand and demand sort of matrix you’re weakest in and then fix what you can fix.

Right gets to start digging in, start building your brand, start building unbranded demand, and then start helping customers understand that they do, in fact, have a problem if they actually do.

Really good question.

We could spend a whole bunch of time on this and maybe we will another time, because I think it’s important that we understand that a lead generation demand generation are not the same thing and be the three different levels of demand, have three totally different implementations for building and creating that Demand anyway thanks for watching I’ll talk to you soon if you’d like this video go ahead and hit that subscribe

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August 1, 2022
Six Types of Marketing Demand Generation
In our Analytics for Marketers Slack Group yesterday, one of our members was asking who should own Google Analytics, the web manager or the demand generation manager. That raised the interesting question, what exactly does a demand generation manager do? What is a demand generation manager?

For that matter, what is demand generation? To answer the original question, we need to dig deep into what demand generation is.

What is Demand Generation?

The overly simplistic definition of demand generation is… well, generating demand. But what does that mean? How do we unpack that so it’s useful?

Let’s define demand as the incitement of awareness, consideration, evaluation, and purchase of a company’s products and services – a familiar definition, as that’s also what we call the buyer’s journey. Within that, there are six broad categories of demand:

The categories are:
1. Recurrent demand. This is the identification of demand from existing customers. As marketers, we often completely forget that customer loyalty and repeat purchase is part of our job because we’re so focused on acquisition, but recurrent demand is vital for sustaining our marketing long-term.
2. Branded demand. This is the identification of demand specifically for your named products and services. If you’re searching for Christopher Penn or Trust Insights, you’re fulfilling branded demand.
3. Competitive demand. From our perspective as marketers, competitors can create demand for our category, and people looking for our competitors are still looking for a need we can also fulfill. Someone looking for, say, Accenture or Deloitte Consulting would be exhibiting competitive demand. While Trust Insights is by no means a peer competitor, that doesn’t diminish the fact that someone looking for a bigger competitor is someone we might also be able to help.
4. Unbranded demand. This is the identification of demand for the problem we solve, but our audience hasn’t narrowed down the list of companies that provide a solution yet. Customers are still probably in the education phase of the journey, where they’re trying to understand the problem itself.
5. Adjacent demand. Tom Webster identified this as demand that’s next to the demand we fulfill. What’s the precursor for our unbranded demand? For example, if you sold gasoline, vehicle sales would be adjacent demand – if car sales go down, gasoline sales will likely eventually go down as well. What dependencies exist for our demand, and how can we identify them and intercept customers before they’re even aware of the unbranded demand we fulfill?
6. Created demand. This is net new demand we create as marketers for something that simply doesn’t exist. For example, Hubspot took Seth Godin’s idea of permission-based marketing from 1999 and transmuted it into inbound marketing. Over the span of 10 years and an investment of millions of dollars, Hubspot created inbound marketing and the demand for it. Tesla took the idea of the electric car, but created the status symbol electric car, and now the brand is synonymous with the status symbol electric car. Any time the brand is the category name, you see created demand – when we ask for a Kleenex or we Google for something, that’s created demand.
With this perspective on what constitutes demand, we’re now better able to answer the question of what does a demand generation manager do.

What Does a Marketing Demand Generation Manager Do?

A demand generation manager uses the strategies, tactics, and techniques of digital marketing to identify or create demand in one or more of the six categories of demand.

Which means, in turn, the question that we started with, the use of Google Analytics and who should own it, is going to be spread across multiple different roles. If we think about each of the 6 categories of demand, is there a role for Google Analytics (or any tool) in those?
- Recurrent demand. Google Analytics is one of the best tools for identifying and measuring recurrent demand by looking at things like logged-in users, returning users, etc.
- Branded demand. Absolutely there’s a role here, because branded demand often ends up on your website.
- Competitive demand. By itself, no, but integrated with Google Search Console and social media, yes, Google Analytics would be helpful as a data collection and analysis point.
- Unbranded demand. Unbranded demand that arrives as search traffic is definitely measured in Google Analytics.
- Adjacent demand. If you’re executing content marketing well, you would pick up adjacent traffic with content about the adjacent problem to the problem you solve. Going back to the car and gas example, as a gas provider, you might blog about the most fuel efficient cars – and then you’d measure that traffic with Google Analytics.
- Created demand. If you’re creating something net new, then you’re likely sending that traffic to your website, so Google Analytics would be something you’d use to measure created demand.
Here’s the thing: virtually every marketing technology tool that is customer-facing has some role in each of the six categories of demand. It’s straightforward to think about how you might use email, or Facebook, or direct mail, or Slack, for one or more roles in each of the types of demand.

Which means that if you’re building a marketing organization that has demand generation as a key role, and you’ve got your MarTech stack siloed by roles, you’re handicapping yourself from the beginning. What we see with a role and function like demand generation is that our MarTech stack should function like a matrix – every role will likely need some access to one or more tools in the stack, regardless of where in the customer journey that role sits.

When you lay out your marketing organization, think matrix instead of funnel, where roles and tools – people and technology – have full access to each other. Rigorous processes will help that from becoming an unmanageable tangle, but the bottom line is that people need comprehensive access to MarTech tools if you want to fully unlock the value and power of your marketing, especially when it comes to demand generation.

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