In today’s episode, you’ll continue the exploration of generative AI in public relations with part two of my five-part interview with Stephanie Moore. You’ll discover the significant benefits of incorporating AI into your PR workflow, including how it can drastically save time and even unlock new revenue streams. Learn practical examples of how AI can elevate your PR game and gain insights on using AI for data analysis and audience targeting. Watch now to equip yourself with the knowledge to stay ahead in the evolving world of PR!
You Ask, I Answer: Generative AI and Public Relations, Part 2 of 5
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Christopher Penn: In this episode—this is part two of five of an interview I did with Stephanie Moore of Kent State University about generative AI in public relations.
Stephanie Moore: Excellent. So, how has the incorporation of AI tools affected the risk, the roles, and the responsibilities of your team members?
Christopher Penn: At our firm, everyone is expected to use AI. Everyone is expected to find as many efficiencies as possible and be as productive as possible because our model is value-based. The way we build things, the way we do projects, and things is all value-based because you’re not paying for how long it takes me to do something—you’re paying for the final outcome. As a result, we want people to use AI as much as they possibly can, still fact-check it, still make sure that the output is good. In the same way, the way we think of AI is this: it is the world’s smartest intern.
Right? This intern just graduated. They have 255 PhDs—they’ve got a PhD in everything—but they’re still an intern. They still don’t know your company. They don’t know your clients. They still know how you do things. So, you would never say to an intern, “Oh, intern, hey, go write me a press release.” Never do that. You would give the intern a creative brief, say, “Here’s what I want you to do. Follow these steps exactly.” The intern does it great. You’ve got a high-quality output. The same thing is true for AI. If you think of it as the world’s smartest intern, you will get really great results out of it. That’s what we teach our staff.
Stephanie Moore: That’s awesome. So you kind of already got at this a little bit, but in terms of the benefits, what do you think are the most significant benefits of using AI in the field?
Christopher Penn: So, all technologies are measured on three factors: save time, save money, make money. AI saves enormous amounts of time. So, the difference between a 66-hour book pitch or one minute and 52-second book pitch—and the outputs are about the same quality—is a massive time savings. Most PR agencies—this is actually a very serious problem for many PR agencies—most PR agencies bill by the hour. They have an agency blended rate, like, our agency blender, it’s 182 an hour. Well, Gemini did the task in5 and 66 minutes of work. It’s $5.66 of work. So, your bill rate as an agency, your ability to make revenue if you’re billing by the hour is severely endangered by AI.
You must switch to value-based billing immediately. However—yeah—for companies that do figure that out, they can save money. Some of them will be very regressive and say, “Okay, let’s fire as many people as we possibly can.” PR firms that are, say, managed by—oh, I don’t know—private equity firms will be firing people as fast as they possibly can because that’s how you increase profit margins, and all those firms run on net margin.
And then “make money” is—this is the thing that, again, PR folks don’t realize the power of these tools. They are—the AI tools—are skill levelers, meaning that they give you skills you don’t have. So, Suno, for example, the audio company, can make songs—it can make halfway decent songs. I have made custom songs for clients, live on stage, and they’ve been stunned by it. I can’t play music. I don’t play any instruments. You don’t want to hear me sing.
The tool can do it. I know how to prompt the tool to create high-quality outputs. So, anything that is within the domain of communications at all is on the table for a skillful PR firm to say, “Well, we offer that too. Hey, you want analyst relations? Hey, we offer that too, because we have an AI model that can skillfully ingest all these things. Hey, you want corporate strategy? We have that too.”
I was showing an example earlier today to—a talk I was giving where I took all of the job listings of Novartis, the pharmaceutical company, and all the job listings of Pfizer. And I said to a language model, “Digest this down—there’s 4,000 job listings—tell me the corporate strategy for each of these companies for the next 12 to 18 months,” because you never hire for something you don’t care about. You only hire things that are critical to your mission. Otherwise, you find an agency or a contractor. And the tool put together a 20-page business strategic business analysis that is as good of quality as
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anything you would get out of McKinsey or Bain. And your firm could offer that. Your firm could offer that as a value-add to your services. So, it’s a question of, do you know what to ask the tools? Do you know how to think, not like a PR person, but like a communicator and a strategist? And then can you get the tools to do it?
Stephanie Moore: Love that. I think that’s great. That also gives me some ideas for—again—prompt engineering to teach our students. So—a little bit. So, you kind of talked about the effectiveness and the efficiency, sort of, in the public relations field. What about—what type of advantages does AI offer in terms of data analytics, or data analysis and audience targeting?
Christopher Penn: It depends on the kind of AI you’re talking about. There are three different classes. There’s regression-based AI, which is like, hey, do uplift modeling. This is, for example, how you measure public relations. You say, “I have all this background activity in, ads, running emails, and I have the data from that in my various marketing systems. And hey, we got a placement in The Wall Street Journal on this date, and we know these things have a decay rating of about three days. Do uplift modeling, find out how much of the delta between what was before, during, and after we can attribute to that accounting for everything else.” So, that’s a very—that form of modeling has been around for eight years now. We were doing that at my old shop.
This classification modeling, which is, “Hey, I’ve got a great big pile of data, and I need to organize—I need to analyze it.” Social media sentiment analysis, for example, is very, very common for that. That is something that you would want to see people using when it comes to data analysis.
Where generative AI comes into play is that it is extremely good at qualitative processing of text if you have a big pile of unstructured text that you need to analyze and understand. These are the best tools to do it.
Real simple example: I was doing a project for a client two days ago, and this client—a fairly well-known client—I said, “Let me go see what the community has to say.” I went over to the Reddit forum that is about that particular industry. I downloaded 2,000 posts and, like, 4,000 comments about this thing, stuffed it into Google’s Gemini, and said, “Distill out the top-line trends and then the emerging trends in what people are saying about this client.” And it spit out the analysis. Handed it to the client. The client’s like, “That’s uncomfortable.”
I said, “Yep, sure is. But that’s what’s happening in the data.” Now, how long would it have taken me to read 6,000 posts and comments? Certainly, it would not have taken me 90 seconds. That’s how long it took Gemini to process all that and then another two minutes to do the analysis the way I wanted it.
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In today’s episode, you’ll delve into the fascinating world of generative AI and its impact on public relations with part one of my five-part interview with Stephanie Moore of Kent State University. You’ll gain valuable insights into the current state of AI adoption in the PR industry and uncover the driving forces and challenges shaping its implementation. Discover the potential of AI to revolutionize PR tasks, boosting productivity and efficiency in ways you might not have imagined. Tune in to explore the transformative power of AI in the realm of public relations!
You Ask, I Answer: Generative AI and Public Relations, Part 1 of 5
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In today’s episode, this is part one of five of an interview I did with Stephanie Moore of Kent State University about generative AI and public relations.
We’ll go ahead and pick off the questions. So, talking a little bit more about the use of AI in practice. Sort of — I know you’re not in public relations anymore — but how would you describe the level of AI adoption in the field of PR peer practice?
So, I can’t speak to that personally. However, I can tell you that in the 2024 Work Trend Index report from Microsoft, they cited that of knowledge workers, 75% of employees are currently using generative AI tools in the workforce with or without their employer’s permission.
And a lot of that time, when it’s without permission, they’re using free tools. However, on the employer side, only 7% to 8% of companies have a coherent policy around the use of AI. So, what you end up with is you have a lot of people who are using AI that may not be doing so safely in terms of data privacy.
We do work with other PR firms, and I would say AI usage there, it varies wildly from firm to firm. So, this is one B2B firm, where out of their staff of 15, 12 use AI and three don’t. And there’s another — mostly B2C firm — they have a staff of about, I think, 10 or 15. One out of 15 uses AI; the others are philosophically opposed to it and think it’s the devil. So, it varies wildly.
Okay, great. I love all those stats. So, what factors — regarding adoption — what factors do you believe are either driving it or hindering the adoption?
On the driving side, it’s all about productivity: can you get things done faster? A lot of firms are — and this was true, even in my PR days — you bill for 40 hours, and you work 80. Right? People — like, I — prefer to still bill 40 hours but actually work 40 instead of 80. And then there’s obviously a lot of appeal.
There’s also a lot of tasks that, frankly, machines should be doing. For example, something as simple as call summaries to a client. There’s no reason for a human to be doing that anymore. That’s just a waste of time.
Things like summarization of news coverage, there’s no reason for a human to be doing that anymore. That is — that should strictly be a machine-only task.
On the opposition side, there is a significant and warranted fear among PR people — the ones I’m thinking of — that the machines are just going to take their jobs, which is one aspect. Or they believe that the existence of AI itself is a violation of people’s intellectual property rights. Therefore, they feel like they shouldn’t — they’re ethically opposed to it. And there’s — there’s some debate about that. It is not settled in law as to whether that’s the case yet.
Great. You kind of talked a little bit about the tasks. Any other tasks that you feel AI automates the most — most effectively?
So, well, this gets into an interesting question: this is what PR people use AI for today. What you can do with it is far more than what people are doing with it today. For example, there’s a — there’s a discipline that I use called programmatic prompting, where you essentially write software in plain language. I was doing a demo of this the other day where, in — I use Google Gemini, but you can use any of the large models — I said, “Okay, you’re going to — here’s my new book. Come up with five pitch ideas. Then you’re going to evaluate those pitch ideas against the scoring rubric of — feel — what constitutes a good PR pitch. You’ve got to choose two winners out of the five. Then you’re going to choose two variations of each winner, rescore them, and give me the winning PR pitch for my new book that I would want you to go pitch at an agency.” This is probably 60 hours of work, getting people to read the book, brainstorm, meet, and so on and so forth. Gemini does it in one minute, 52 seconds.
Oh my gosh, that’s crazy. That does — that gives you some perspective there.
All right, so talking a little bit about those tools — I always am interested in the tools. I know the tools change, and they will change, and it’s hard to teach the tools in the classroom. But, I am curious, which tools or applications — which AI tools or applications do you find most relevant — and I’m specifically looking for PR, but, in your area — and then why?
If you are skillful at prompt writing, prompt engineering, you can accomplish 85% to 90% of tasks with a foundation model. A foundation model is a large model that is — general in purpose. ChatGPT is an example of a tool with a general model behind it. Google’s Gemini is an example, Microsoft Copilot, Anthropic Claude, and then Meta’s Llama model — the newly released one — all five of those can tackle pretty much any general language task and certainly any task within public relations.
Sometimes you will have to provide data. So, for example, if you are a B2B — you have a PR firm and you’ve got a client that works in a very specific type of industrial chemical — you will probably need to provide some background data for tasks around that client. But, in general, PR people do their work in language. It’s a language-based profession. Language models excel at language, and therefore, any tasks that a PR person does, a language model can also do with skillful prompting.
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“Remember that Time is Money.” – Benjamin Franklin, Advice to a Young Tradesman, 1748
Let’s talk about the ROI of AI today; while the focus will predominantly be on generative AI, it can be classical AI too. A lot of folks are asking the very sensible question, what is the ROI of AI? How would you go about determining it? So let’s dig in.
Part I: ROI
What’s the ROI of [insert thing here] is an age old question. Those folks with my color hair probably remember questions like “What’s the ROI of a website?” to skeptics in the 1990s. “What’s the ROI of social media?” in the 2000s, “What’s the ROI of mobile?” And so on. Sometimes the questions were asked in good faith, trying to figure out how much to invest in a platform. Other times, for more conservative folks, it was asked in bad faith to shut down any kind of initiative.
The amusing thing is, most people get ROI wrong. ROI – return on investment – is a financial calculation. It is expressed either in dollars or percentages, and there is no substituting anything in the equation. (There are a lot of people who love things like “return on [insert buzzword here]” that are nonsensical in this context)
Here’s the equation:
( earned – spent ) / spent = return on investment
That’s it. That’s ROI. To calculate the ROI of anything, you have to know what you earned, and you have to know what you spent.
If you don’t have those numbers, you cannot calculate ROI. Period, end of story.
A fair number of folks use the term ROI when they really mean value. That’s incorrect. The value of AI is different than the ROI of AI; things can have value that you might not be able to express in monetary terms.
For example, suppose you’re running a campaign to get someone elected to office. There’s a clear, measurable binary outcome – either the person is elected or they are not. But that result is not financial in nature (unless the person is corrupt and then you can measure bribes later, I suppose), and so while there is value, there is not ROI.
Here’s something else that’s rarely discussed with ROI. Even when you have the numbers, it’s not always an appropriate measurement. ROI is best suited for low resource environments, for when you have very limited resources and you need to make every dollar count. You use it to judge whether or not something is worth investing in.
However, not every scenario or situation is a low resource environment. There are plenty of companies who are in growth mode, who want to acquire audience or customers regardless of cost, or with cost as a secondary consideration. They need market share more than anything else. In those situations, ROI might unnecessarily constrain your strategy, and it would be an inappropriate measure of success.
Part 2: Calculating ROI
It’s at this point where I wish I had written this with AI, but I did not. So we press on. Let’s talk through calculating ROI. It seems pretty simple – (earned – spent)/spent fits on a sticky note. The challenge is, what does that mean?
Earned is the gross revenue earned by a particular thing, be it a strategy, tactic, or technology.
Spent is what you spent to achieve that earning.
Sounds simple, right? Except it really, really isn’t.
Earned
Marketers in particular have struggled to determine earned for decades, through attribution analysis. What does each marketing activity result in? Forget spent – can you even determine whether what you did earned any money or not? This gets into things like “what’s the value of brand?” And individual channel analysis. What’s the value of email marketing, of social media, of SEO, etc.?
There was a brief period of time, in the mid 2010s, when digital attribution was something the average non-technical marketer could do with a reasonable level of confidence. Tools like Google Analytics and a total disregard for individual privacy allowed marketers to get a sense of what was working. However, those days are long past; today, with things like privacy blocking in many operating systems, dark social (places like group chats, Slack, Discord, etc. That offer zero analytics to marketers) and AI-powered guessing in software like Google Analytics make attribution substantially more difficult overall and impossible for the non-technical marketer. You can still measure and calculate attribution, but it requires substantially more investment and technical skill.
So earned is kind of a mess. Let’s move onto spent. That’s easy, right?
Spent
Spent is another area where things usually go off the rails. Why? Because there’s two kinds of spent, hard money and soft money.
Hard money is literal dollars or kroner or euros spent, given to some other entity. When you buy ads, you are spending hard money with a vendor.
Soft money is the opportunity cost of doing something. We pay people to work for us, and every hour someone spends doing one task is an hour they can’t spend on another task. Thus, we have to account for that in the spent portion.
Let’s say someone is in charge of writing social posts, and their hourly rate works out to be 30 USD per hour. If the task takes them an hour, then we effectively spent 30 USD on that task – and that goes into our spent calculation.
This soft money cost can dramatically change our ROI computations. Let’s say you spent 5000 USD on Facebook Ads, and you earned 7500 USD in gross sales. So far, our ROI is:
(7500 – 5000) / 5000 = 50% ROI
That’s terrific. For every dollar you spent, you earned it back plus 50 cents. Good job, right?
But… it took:
A meeting of the marketing team to decide what ads to run, which was 1 hour with 5 people
The creative team to design the ad assets, which was a designer that took 4 hours of design time plus two rounds of revisions for a total of 8 hours
The marketing team had to write the ads, which took 2 hours and 2 people, or 4 hours total
Someone to actually put the ads into Meta Ads, which took 1 hour
Someone to monitor the ads and adjust them, which was 2 hours a week for the 8 weeks the campaign was in flight
Add up those hours spent at a blended rate of 50 USD per hour, and your spent was 5000 USD PLUS the 34 hours of labor, or an additional 1700 USD.
Now your ROI calculation is:
(7500 – 6700) / 6700 = 11.9% ROI
That’s still positive, meaning if you spent a dollar, you earned back the dollar plus 12 cents, but it’s a far cry from 50% ROI.
This is the challenge of truly measuring ROI, taking into account what you earned and what you spent. You can obviously do it at a very gross level on a company’s basic finances – the company’s overall gross revenue minus expenses, but once you start trying to break things down, it gets messy in a hurry.
Part 3: You Probably Can’t Calculate The ROI of AI
Here’s the zinger: calculating the ROI of AI is contingent on already knowing the ROI of what you’re currently doing.
If you don’t know the ROI of what you’re doing today, you cannot calculate the ROI of AI’s impact on it.
That’s the bench test for when a stakeholder asks about the ROI of AI. Ask to see the spreadsheet or ledger which shows your current ROI calculations for any given strategy, tactic, or execution. If that doesn’t exist, then you won’t be able to calculate the ROI of AI because you have no idea where you’re starting from.
But let’s say you’ve vanquished the mythical beast of ROI computation. You have an operating understanding of ROI for something like the Facebook Ads example we showed above. You’ve figured out what the earnings are for a particular strategy, tactic, or execution and you’ve calculated the hard and soft money.
Now you can finally start figuring out what the ROI of AI is. Here’s how. First, we have to determine where AI has fit into the picture, and what the benefits are. Fundamentally, we care about three things in business: save time, save money, make money.
When we save time, we fundamentally reduce the soft money cost in any process. If a task takes 10 hours and we’re paying a rate 50 USD per hour and we can reduce that task to 5 hours, we save 250 USD in soft money through that time savings.
When we save money, we’re just spending less. That one’s pretty obvious.
When we make money, either we’re innovating and creating new lines of income, or we’re optimizing and we’re getting more income out of the lines of business we already have, the ways we already make money.
So how might this apply to the very tactical process of running Facebook Ads?
Remember that 1700 USD chunk of soft money that reduced our ROI from 50% to 12%? If we can reduce the amount of time spent, we reduce the soft money cost, and our overall ad campaign ROI goes up.
If we generate ad copy or ad design using AI that performs better in testing and deployment than our current ads, then that performance brings in more revenue by getting people to convert or more better.
If we improve our targeting, our audience understanding, etc. to the point where we can reduce our ad costs, then we reduce the hard money cost. You would think this would be baked into ad platform software, but it isn’t; ad platforms inherently have a bias towards getting us to spend as much money as possible with them, not get the greatest possible results. (This is a common criticism of many big AdTech companies – the “smart” bidding algorithms are smart and do a great job – for the ad platform.)
Once we identify where we can put AI to use in one or more of these three dimensions, we can measure the change. Let’s look at our Facebook Ads example again.
A meeting of the marketing team to decide what ads to run, which was 1 hour with 5 people. This part probably won’t change. People love their meetings.
We use AI to generate most of the ad creative, which cuts down from 8 hours to 4 hours (because revisions and review still takes time)
AI writes all the ad copy. With a very skilled prompt and/or appropriate infrastructure setup, this will take 5-10 minutes.
Someone to actually put the ads into Meta Ads, which took 1 hour. This won’t change much unless someone automates this via the API.
Someone to monitor the ads and adjust them, which was 2 hours a week for the 8 weeks the campaign was in flight. This also won’t change much.
We go from 34 hours of labor to 26 hours of labor, which is a savings of 8 hours. At our 50 USD hour blended rate, our cost drops from 1700 USD to 1300 USD, a savings of 400 USD. Obviously, if we can trim back more, like dramatically shorten that initial meeting or change how we do ad monitoring, we can find additional savings.
Let’s also say that our AI ads perform better. Instead of earning 5000 USD, we earn 6000 USD on our campaign because AI helped write more compelling ads.
If we add up the savings in soft money plus the increase in income, we have a total of 1400 USD that AI changed for the better. That’s the ‘earnings’ of AI. Now, we need to determine what we spent. If we’re using foundation models and skillful prompting, we’re probably spending 50 USD a month per user on the tools. If we’re using APIs and programmatic AI, the costs might be higher based on how many API calls we’re consuming. (your Dev and IT teams would be able to help with that)
Let’s say for sake of example that we have a ChatGPT Teams subscription and four seats. That’s 100 USD per month. Let’s say we also consume 100 USD of API calls from a script we have that can mass generate Facebook ads. That’s 200 USD per month in costs. If we plug that into our ROI formula, our ROI of AI, in this example, is:
( 1400 – 200 ) / 200 = 600%
Thus, our ROI of AI here is 600% ROI. For every dollar we spent, we got it back plus 6 more.
Soft Money ROI Only
Suppose the ads didn’t earn more. If we just went with the time savings and our ads didn’t perform any better, we would have:
( 400 – 200 ) / 200 = 100%
The time savings ROI would be 100% – for every dollar we spent, we got it back plus another dollar.
This is how most organizations will probably find the ROI of AI. And because it lacks the income side, the earned side, and focuses just on the savings side, this is the “worst case scenario” ROI for AI – and it’s still positive.
Here’s a clear example I gave from a talk recently about a time savings-based ROI. I wrote a prompt to help a PR team build pitch ideas based on a piece of content it was given. For those who don’t know, I worked at a PR firm for 5 years prior to Trust Insights. I sat in on many, many of these meetings. For one set of pitch ideas – not the pitching itself, just the ideation – the cost that was billed to a client was 12,000 USD for 66 hours of a team’s time, at an agency blended bill rate of 182 USD per hour.
That same process I replicated in Google’s Gemini for a client’s PR team. The client was very, very happy with the outcome and thought the ideas were quite effective, so we’re at parity in terms of quality of outcome. The same process that took a team of humans 66 hours in my agency days took Gemini 1 minute, 52 seconds. At a bill rate of 182 USD per hour, that was 5.66 USD.
What’s the ROI of AI? For a client in this case, it’s the cost difference as the earnings minus the expense of AI. Even if I used the highest bill rate I charge, 1000 USD per hour, the cost would be 33 USD to run the software. Let’s be generous and say it took me 3 hours to build and test the software (it did not) for a cost of 3000 USD. What’s the ROI of AI in this case?
‘Earned’ is what the client didn’t spend on the old way, 12,012 USD
Spent is what the client spent in this instance, 3033 USD
( 12012 – 3033 ) / 3033 = 296% ROI
For every dollar the client spent, they ‘earned’ (saved) that dollar plus 2.96 additional – on this run of the project. They can then take that project and reuse it, over and over again, to generate idea after idea. What does the ROI look like on the second run, when it’s just the cost of running it, even at my bill rate?
( 12012 – 33 ) / 33 = 36,300% ROI
It’s a ludicrous 36,300% ROI. For every dollar they spend on subsequent uses of the project, they get that dollar back (in savings) plus 36,300 more.
Part 4: What To Do With the ROI of AI
If you’re able to calculate the ROI of AI for different strategies, tactics, and executions, then you’ll be able to build business cases for why you need to expand or enhance your offerings. But what do you do with that number, other than brag to your CFO?
One of the most important use cases for a stellar ROI of AI number is to re-look at all your business processes. There are some strategies, tactics, and executions which, when human-led, have had negative ROI. They cost more than they earned, and it was judged that it wasn’t worth doing.
Once you become skillful at applying AI to business processes, you can dust off those old use cases. If a strategy, tactic, or execution was only marginally negative in ROI, applying AI to it might be enough to flip the balance to a positive ROI. In the previous example, 296% ROI was great for the first use of AI to replicate a more manual process. 36,300% ROI is just bonkers and could make almost any unprofitable process profitable if the process itself is a good candidate for AI.
Here’s an example. Many, many, MANY companies that do ROI computation correctly for organic social media find that organic social media generally has negative ROI. You do it because you have to, for brand reputation management, retention, community building, and crisis aversion, not because it’s intensely profitable. Very, very few companies can demonstrate strong profitability with organic social media marketing alone.
Why? The soft money cost of organic social media is very high. Now, if you were to decompose your organic social media processes and apply AI to them wherever you could – especially on content creation – you might be able to change that balance. If you could reduce your soft money expenditures on social media content creation by 2x or more, then you might find that your organic social ROI could start heading towards positive ROI territory. What was previously not a viable channel in terms of ROI could be again.
AI has the strongest impact today on soft money expenditures – saving time. Like Ben Franklin said, time is money. If you want to demonstrate the value of AI, that’s where you’ll find the easiest benefit, and unlike the tangled web that is attribution modeling and proving the impact of marketing methods, you can demonstrate the ROI of AI with cost savings alone. The example above where we ignored the increase in ad revenue and just showed cost savings in time is the easiest way to get to an ROI of AI.
Wrapping Up
Here’s the unpleasant reality: very few companies will be able to show the ROI for AI because they can’t show the ROI of anything they currently do. The best case scenario for them is showing the impact of AI on cost savings.
For those companies that have their house in order, they can branch out into showing saving hard money or making more money through things like innovation, improved product market fit, better competitive analysis, etc. Like social media, mobile, and the Internet itself, AI has a transformative effect on business that is a direct correlation of how well the business itself is run. to paraphrase the first Captain America movie, it’s an amplifier. It makes the good into great and the bad into worse.
My partner and CEO Katie Robbert frequently says that new technology can’t solve old problems, which is 100% true. If you’re not able to calculate the ROI of anything else, you won’t be able to calculate the ROI of AI either.
If you can show the ROI of what you’re currently doing, then you’ll be able to show the ROI when you apply AI to those processes as well – and the numbers will probably astonish you.
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In today’s episode, you’ll get a behind-the-scenes look at the AI tools I use and why I often prefer developer interfaces over consumer-friendly options. You’ll discover the hidden “router” in consumer AI systems that can limit your control and potentially impact the quality of your results. I’ll also explain why paying more for a developer interface can be a worthwhile investment for certain use cases. If you’re ready to level up your AI game, this episode is for you!
Mind Readings: Why I Use Developer Generative AI Tools
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Christopher Penn: In today’s episode, let’s talk about which AI tools to use — or more accurately, which AI tools I use — because I use very different tools than a lot of other folks do.
Let me show you, I’m going to show you a couple of different examples here. Let me go ahead and share my screen. If you’re listening to this, you’ll want to head over to the YouTube channel. I’m going to pull up the consumer interface to Google Gemini, and I’m going to pull up the developer interface to Google Gemini. These two things are both part of the Gemini ecosystem. However, they’re very, very different.
So the consumer interface, which we’re looking at here as Gemini, it has a prompt, it has a warning that, “Hey, human beings will review this,” etc. And you put your prompts in, and it just goes and it does what you want it to do.
The developer interface within AI Studio has a lot more stuff. So there are — there’s a model selector here, which lets you choose which version of Gemini you want to use. I’m currently using 1.5 Pro. It has a temperature setting, which allows you to tell the model, “Hey, be less creative, or more creative.” It has safety settings that you can turn up or down, and even advanced settings, like, “Hey, like — hey, I want you to write code. I want you to return your responses in a different format.” And you can change things like the stopping sequence.
Why would you use this tool that’s way more complicated and has more buttons and more stuff than this tool, which is really simple — add the prompt, add your documents and go? For someone like me, who is using these tools to try and get specific, repeatable, reliable results, the consumer interface, which you see here — and here’s why:
Underneath the hood, in systems like Google Gemini, the consumer version, ChatGPT, Anthropic Claude, there’s the model, which does all the work — takes your prompt and processes it, outputs a result. However, before there — there is, on the consumer interfaces, there is a router. There’s a piece of software that looks at the prompt and says, “Where should we send this? How can we — how can we most efficiently help this user out?”
You will notice, with Google’s developer interface here, there’s five different models available. There is Gemini 1.0 Pro, which is the old version, 1.5 Pro, which is the new version, this Flash, which is a faster, but kind of dumber, model. But it’s really, really fast. And there’s two open source models here, Gemini 9 and Gemini 27. When you use the consumer version, there’s a router that says, “Well, what kind of query is this? Is this something simple? If so, let’s route it to a less expensive, computationally expensive model. Let’s route it to 1.5 Flash, rather than Pro, because Pro consumes a lot of resources, is very heavy, it’s slower, but it’s way more accurate, and way more thoughtful, and way more capable than Flash.”
When you’re using a consumer interface, you don’t get that choice. You are automatically routed by its best decision, by best assumptions, where your query should go, how — which model should process your prompt. When using the developer version, you decide what model you want to use because you’re paying per use. When you’re using the developer edition, you’re paying per invocation of the model, whereas, with a consumer interface, you’re paying, like, 20 bucks a month.
AI companies have incentives to run as cheaply as possible. So they will route your prompts to the cheapest model possible. A, it’s faster for you, the user, so it’s theoretically a better experience from a speed perspective, but they’re going to route it to the lowest quality model, because low-quality models are faster, whereas, if you need a specific level of precision, or you need a specific set of capabilities, use the developer version, and you pay more, but you are focused then on the specific model that you want to use, because, presumably — at least that’s what all the companies hope — that’s where you will build an app on top of that specific model.
So I personally — and this is just a “me” thing — I prefer to have that level of control. I like to have that level of control, where I can say, “You know what, for the work that I’m doing, I’m okay turning off the safeties and saying, let’s — let’s go wild, let’s let the model do what it wants to do.” And sometimes you will see, when you’re running in the developer mode, it will flag, like, “Hey, this — we’re flagging this output here, could be dangerous content. We’re still producing it, but we’re telling you, maybe don’t — if you’re building an app on this, don’t show this to the general public, because it could be offensive.” Whereas if you’re in the consumer model, it will just say, “Nope, can’t do that. Sorry.” And you don’t know why, and you don’t have any control over changing that.
I like to think of these things as kind of like — the consumer model is the one that’s user-friendly and has lots of guardrails. It’s like when you’re at the bowling alley and they inflate those little bumpers to fill the gutters, and say, “Okay, well, now you can only bowl in a certain area here.” And for most people, that’s okay. For most people, most of the time, with most use cases, that’s okay. But there is an incentive, there’s a profit incentive, for AI companies to route you to the cheapest possible model, the lowest-performing, cheap model, as opposed to if you want a very — if you want to know what’s going on under the hood, if you want control over which model is going to be processing your prompts, use the developer interfaces.
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In today’s episode, you’ll learn a surprising lesson about generative AI from everyday consumer electronics, like electric shavers. Just like you don’t need to be an electrical engineer to use a shaver, you don’t need to be a computer scientist to use generative AI tools. However, you’ll gain a deeper understanding of how to get the most out of these powerful tools by learning a bit about how they work under the hood. Discover how this knowledge can help you unlock the full potential of generative AI and avoid common pitfalls.
Mind Readings: Generative AI Lessons from Consumer Electronics
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Christopher Penn: In today’s episode, let’s talk about small consumer electronics and what they teach us about generative AI — things like blenders, or shavers, or pretty much any device.
Do you need to know how a consumer electronic works to get benefit from it? No. If you have a little electric shaver like this, you open it up, you push the on switch, and you shave. Do you know how this works? Maybe, maybe not. Do you care? Probably not.
It’ll stop working. Do you know how it works? Again, probably not. If you were to take this thing apart, you’d see there’s a grill with some sharp stuff, there’s some more sharp stuff there, and a little head, and a little motor, and a little set of magnets that alternate current back and forth very quickly. And those little magnets make this little part here bounce back and forth, and that, in turn, makes it shave.
Why didn’t you know that? You don’t. To get normal use out of this device, you don’t need to know that.
If it stops working, you need to know that — assuming you want to try and fix it, or at least figure out why it’s no longer working. If you want to make it better, you need to know how it works. You need to know, like, “Oh, what kind of batteries does this take? Well, maybe if we, instead of putting nickel metal hydride batteries, we put lithium batteries instead, maybe that’ll make it work better.” Spoiler alert: it does.
If you want to know, “Can this be used for other purposes?”, you need to know how it works. There’s a trick, for example, getting fuzz off of things like sweaters. You can use a razor, a regular razor, to prune them off. And you do that with this? Well, if you have no idea how this works, the answer is probably no. And the answer is no, this does not function the same way this does. This has exposed metal blades, this one does not.
So what does all this have to do with AI? When it comes to the use of artificial intelligence, do you need to know how a transformer-based model works to get value out of a tool like Anthropic Claude, or ChatGPT, or Google Gemini? No, you don’t. You have to be able to write prompts, and you have to be able to articulate yourself well, and these tools generally can figure out what you mean, more or less.
However, if you’re not getting good results out of your prompts, should it — would it be helpful to know how the tool works under the hood? Yes, it would. It is helpful to know that these tools take words, break them into pieces called tokens, and then go and find similar probabilities for those tokens in the order that you write them and in the order that it was trained on them, and the order it read them, so that it understands things like word orders and inherently has a grasp of grammar.
Knowing how the model works means that you know that things like jargon are really important. I used to say, in marketing, all the time, “Hey, don’t use jargon, write for the lowest common denominator.” But when you’re using AI, because of the way the model works, jargon is your friend.
You might say, “Hey, I want to write a blog post about the FAFSA, the Free Application for Federal Student Aid.” Just including that word, “FAFSA”, changes how the model works when it goes to retrieve information. Because as such a niche word, no one says that word outside of the context of financial aid, which means that if you use it in a prompt, it automatically activates a whole bunch of probabilities inside the model that says, “Hey, we’re talking about financial aid, we’re not talking about beer, we’re not talking about Olympic sports, we’re talking about the Free Application for Federal Student Aid. Jargon is an unlock for how to use these models. But you wouldn’t know that if you didn’t know how the models worked.
You will notice that tools like ChatGPT come with absolutely no manual whatsoever. Professor Ethan Mollick likes to make the accurate observation that your garden hose that you order on Amazon comes with more directions than you get with a massive, powerful tool like ChatGPT.
So knowing how the tools work lets you diagnose when they’re not doing what they’re supposed to, and it lets you know what the limitations are as well. If you understand the architecture of a generative AI model — whether it’s a transformer-based model or a diffuser-based model — you know that, in some ways, it really kind of is just a really big autocomplete. Now, there’s more complexity to that, more mathematics, but conceptually, that’s not an entirely inaccurate observation, which in turn means it’s not magic, it’s just a bunch of mathematics. Very sophisticated math, but it’s still just a bunch of math, which means there’s a bunch of things it can’t do because that’s beyond the capability of the way it works.
Knowing how they work, at least at a cursory level, gives you the ability to say, “Okay, I understand how this thing works. So I understand what’s going to go wrong. I understand how to make it more effective. And I understand what its limitations are.”
So I’d encourage you, as the takeaway from this video, to spend some time learning how these models work so that you can overcome their limitations or work around them, so that you know why things aren’t working when they don’t work, and so that you know what to do to make them work as efficiently and as effectively as possible.
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In today’s episode, we’re diving into the often overlooked reality that your generative AI prompts are actually a form of code. You’ll discover the implications of this revelation, including intellectual property rights, licensing, and potential liabilities. I’ll also discuss the importance of being mindful about sharing your prompts and provide insights on how to do so responsibly. Don’t miss this important discussion about the legal and ethical considerations surrounding generative AI prompts.
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Christopher Penn: In today’s episode, let’s talk about your generative AI prompts, particularly the ones that power large language models like ChatGPT, Google Gemini, Anthropic Claude, Meta Llama, etc.
I saw a post on LinkedIn recently. Someone was saying, “Hey, I’m putting together the ultimate ebook of generative AI prompts. Send me your prompts, and I’ll include them.”
That made me uncomfortable. And it made me uncomfortable because people do not realize that prompts are code. Prompts are programming code. They just happen to be in English, or Danish, or Ukrainian, instead of C, or Java, or Python, or other computer languages.
Prompts are code. You write them, they are a set of instructions that you give to a machine to try to generate a repeatable outcome. That is literally the definition of code.
So if a prompt is code, then what does that mean? What are the implications of that?
Well, that means that it’s intellectual property, and that means it’s governed by intellectual property laws, particularly those around code. For example, let’s say you work for a big company, and your company has a team of developers, and the developers are writing code — like Python code, for example. Would your company be okay if that developer is like, “Hey, check out this cool new function I built in Python, I just slapped it up on LinkedIn.” And you’re a software company.
Your company probably is not going to be okay with that. “That’s our intellectual property, that’s our — that’s our stuff. You shouldn’t be just sharing it with the general public.”
There are times when you should, there are times when people do share code. Open source software is a good example of this, where companies make a conscious decision to say, “Hey, here’s a piece of software we wrote, we’re giving it away. Anyone can come and use it, with the understanding there’s absolutely no warranty whatsoever. Here it is, good luck.”
We do that. If you go over to the Trust Insights GitHub repository, you will see our synthetic CRM generator. It makes fake CRM data that you can use if you can’t — if you’re not allowed to work with real data, or if you need something for a teaching example, you can just use our generator. We’re giving it away. But we did so as a conscious choice. We applied a software license to it, did all the things that you should do. We made that decision because we wanted to share that code with the world so that other people could take it, run with it, do stuff with it, maybe improve on it, and share their improvements back with us.
As our collective understanding and use of generative AI advances, our prompts are going to go from being, a one-paragraph prompt for ChatGPT — “Summarize a document. You are an expert administrative assistant.” — to things that look more like code. They’re going to look more like code, they will have control structures — “If the user says this, then do this. If the user says this, then do this. While you’re doing this, do this.” — programming loops, structures, controls.
You can build those into prompts today, you can set up variables and say, “Store your answer from the previous prompt into this variable so that you can reuse it later.” And when prompts become more and more like actual computer code with things like branching logic and stuff, then you’ve got to treat it like code.
So you’ve got to think about things like, should it have a license on it that specifies what kind of support your code comes with? What kind of warranty it comes with? Who owns that code? Who’s allowed to use that code?
Again, there’s plenty of people who share their code for free, it’s the definition of open source software, and open source software is critical. So much of the current internet runs on open source software, on the generosity of other coders and people who give away their code. The Apache web server, Linux, the operating system, MySQL, the database server, PHP, the programming language, all that’s open source, all that’s just given away, but it’s done so thoughtfully. When you’re just giving away your prompts online, that’s less thoughtful. That can be problematic. That could impair intellectual property rights.
So I’m not saying don’t ever give away your prompts. I am saying be thoughtful and conscious of what it is that you’re giving away. Know the implications of it, know that you need to provide some kind of license with that software, or it’s assumed that you’re supporting it — you’re providing support for it. Understand even the liability of giving away code. If you give away code, and you don’t have that license, it says, “Absolutely no warranty whatsoever”, and someone runs your prompt and it causes damage somehow, you could be liable for that if you don’t go through the steps of making sure that your code is properly licensed. And prompts are code.
So take this to heart. Treat your generative AI prompts like code and you will — you’ll protect yourself, you’ll protect your company, and you will be — you will be conscious of the choices you are making.
That’s going to do it for this episode. Thanks for tuning in! If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button. Subscribe to my channel if you haven’t already. And if you want to know when new videos are available, hit the bell button to be notified as soon as new content is live.
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What’s On My Mind: Generative AI for Advanced Citizenship
In this week’s issue, let’s talk about a very different use case for generative AI, one that people overlook, one that people don’t realize is possible, and one that is absolutely vital: advanced citizenship.
Caveat lector: this issue touches on politics (mostly local politics) but if you want absolutely nothing to do with the topic, I respect that. Skip this issue and I’ll see you next week.
What Is Advanced Citizenship?
First, what do I mean by advanced citizenship? Many of us do our required or encouraged duties as citizens, from voting to jury duty to participating in the politics of our preferred points of view. But very few of us participate in the operation and activation of the governments we support.
It’s like attending the grand opening of a park, and then we never set foot in it again for years.
For example, suppose a new law is proposed or is put on the books. How often do you check out new, pending legislation to see what it says? I rarely do, because law isn’t a strength of mine and not something I specialize in.
Those same proposed and actual laws impact us every day, in every part of our lives. They set our tax rates, they tell us what we may and may not do, they govern our health, our wealth, even what we can or cannot do with our own bodies.
So why wouldn’t we pay more attention to them? Because they’re really, really onerous to read. They’re dry. They’re technical. They’re boring.
And yet… they have such an outsized effect on us. This is true regardless of where you are; laws exist in every nation (even if they’re enforced differently).
What if it didn’t have to be that way? What if we could know the impact of laws, the impact of proposals before they happen? What if we could take action before proposed legislation becomes law, and (at least for those folks who live in places with democratically elected governments) possibly even participate in the making of the law.
How Generative AI Helps
Generative AI – large language models (LLMs) in particular – are good at creating stuff, but they’re better at processing the data you already have. One of the bedrock truths of language models is that the more data you bring to the party, the less they’re inclined to make things up because they don’t have to do any of the work to bring words out of long-term memory (possibly incorrectly).
Think of a large language model like a library. You go to the librarian and ask for a book, but you’re not as precise as you could be. The librarian does their best and brings back what they think is what you asked for – only because you weren’t clear, they didn’t get it quite right.
Now, suppose you went to the library and asked the librarian for a book just like the one you brought with you. The librarian instantly reads the entire book you just brought, and finds the book that’s the closest match in the library. You’ll get a much closer result when the librarian doesn’t really need to ask you detailed questions to find what you’re looking for. You just give the book over and the librarian does the work.
Conceptually, that’s what happens when you provide data to an LLM. It reads through everything you provide it and tends to use that information first before relying on its own long-term memory (which may be less current and less reliable). The more data you provide, the less it has to look up.
So how does this advance our citizenship skills? If we provide pending or actual legislation to an LLM, we can ask pointed questions of it, questions that we might not necessarily be able to quickly find answers to ourselves. More important, today’s large foundational models are VERY fluent at reading and interpreting law.
What sorts of questions might we want to ask? Well, anything that concerns you.
For example, you might write a long prompt that describes who you are, what interests you have, what kind of business or work you do, a sort of biography. Then you could ask an LLM to read through some legislation and ask how, if at all the proposed or actual legislation impacts you, asking it to return the results with exact citations and verbatims so you can check that it’s accurately recalling information.
One of my favorite questions to ask about is unintended consequences. Given a piece of legislation, I’ll ask a model to infer what some second or third order effects could be, what the unintended consequences of a piece of legislation could be.
Another question I’ll ask frequently is how a law could be misused. I’ll ask the model to assume that an unethical government official is in office. How could that government official use the law to their own benefit, or to do harm, or to further marginalize already vulnerable populations. You’d be surprised at some of the answers.
Finally, and this is where generative AI really shines, I’ll ask it for recommendations. It’s not enough to complain about something – to effect change, we have to do something. We have to take action.
For example, in the city where I live, I loaded all our city’s bylaws and ordinances into Google’s Gemini 1.5 Pro model. I prefer Gemini 1.5 for this kind of task because it can ingest up to 1.5 million words at a time, and many government documents are quite hefty. It identified 12 city ordinances that are so vague and poorly worded, an unethical mayor or government official could weaponize against any part of the population they deemed unacceptable.
One of the regulations is:
“No person shall own or keep in the City any dog which, by barking, biting, howling or in any other manner disturbs the quiet of any person for a prolonged period such that a reasonable person would find such behavior disruptive to one’s quiet and peaceful enjoyment.”
On the surface, that seems reasonable – except that it’s really vague. What’s a prolonged period? How do you disturb the quiet of a person? What does that mean?
It’s poorly written laws like that which would allow an unethical mayor to selectively enforce the law. They could direct police to only answer noise complaints in certain neighborhoods. They could direct police to to enforce the law only against dog owners of a certain ethnicity. And because the law is so vague, a person in a majority could say, “well, my neighbor’s dog was disturbing my quiet” and the complaint would have to be taken at face value because it’s aligned with the poorly written law.
Gemini suggested the following:
“No person shall own or keep in the City any dog which, by barking, biting, howling or in any other manner disturbs the quiet of any person for a prolonged period. By quiet, the dog shall be making noise in excess of 65dB measured at the property line. By prolonged period, the disturbance must last for 30 continuous minutes or more during the hours of 9 AM – 9 PM, and 15 continuous minutes or more during the hours of 9 PM – 9 AM.”
The level of specificity in the revision means it’s much more difficult for anyone to weaponize a law against a neighbor they didn’t like, but especially for a government to weaponize it against a specific population.
Now, what do we do with it? In my case, I lobby City Hall and my district’s City Councilor to have that law amended. That’s how we upgrade our laws to be more inclusive, less vague, and more helpful.
Here’s another use case that’s relevant right now in the USA where I live. There’s a big election cycle coming up, and various parties and groups have released their platform statements, some of which are hundreds of pages long. I could load those into an LLM along with a voice memo of the things I care about and see which candidates or parties are most closely aligned to my beliefs.
I could ask questions of parties and candidates that I don’t know and quickly get a sense of how I might want to vote. For example, we know who the big names are in an election. There isn’t much left to know at the highest offices in the land. But what about something like the 6th Middlesex County District State Representative? The holder of that office votes on laws that directly affect me locally, and yet I might not know what their record is, what they voted for or against, or what they’re working on.
And realistically, that person I don’t know at the local level has far more impact on my life than the big names on the big stages. Shouldn’t I know what they’re doing? With the power of generative AI, I could.
What To Do Next
Here’s what you should do next, what your key takeaways are. First, familiarize yourself with good research AI tools. I like Google’s Gemini; if you want something that’s really strict, Google’s free NotebookLM is exceptionally rigid. It won’t return results if you didn’t provide the data, and is ideally suited for high-risk applications like law, finance, and medicine.
Second, get hold of the necessary data. Start with the laws and legislation in your city or province, and start loading those laws into the AI tool of your choice. Write up your concerns and who you are so that the models can interpret the law appropriately, digesting it down to the parts that are relevant to you.
Third, build your prompts to ask questions you care about – how this impacts you, how might someone misuse it intentionally, what the unintended consequences are. Watch the video version of this to see this in action. Ask those questions, have a real, in-depth conversation, and understand what it is that your government is working on.
Fourth, take action. Analysis is fine, but as we’ve said at Trust Insights for years and years, analysis without action is distraction. Do something with the knowledge you gain. Suggest legislative changes. Share your findings. Support those people running for office or in office that are aligned with your views and the changes you want to see made. Maybe even run for office yourself, now that you have the power of AI at your side.
The power to understand, monitor, and challenge your government to improve the quality of its work is yours more than ever now with the power of AI. Politicians can’t hide gimmicks and gotchas inside obscure laws, not if you are empowered as a citizen to find them and call them out using AI. The power is in your hands – use it accordingly.
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In today’s episode, you’ll learn all about Artificial General Intelligence (AGI), a hot topic with a lot of misconceptions floating around. You’ll benefit from a clear and concise explanation of what AGI is and what it isn’t, helping you gain a deeper understanding of this game-changing technology. You’ll also discover why talk of a “singularity” or machines taking over the world is premature and based on misunderstandings of how AGI is developing. Tune in to separate AGI fact from fiction!
Mind Readings: AGI Part 1: Demystifying AGI – What It Is and What It Isn't
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Christopher Penn: In this five-part series this week, we’re going to tackle artificial general intelligence, a term that you’ve heard a lot in the news in all sorts of places. It’s not really clear to a lot of people what this means, partly because the folks who make systems keep moving the goalposts because of various things that are pretty clear that they’re not going to be able to achieve.
So we’re going to tackle what artificial general intelligence is, how we get there, when we’ll get there, what we can expect from it (assuming that we are able to actually create this thing), the unintended consequences and risks of it, and the ethics, governance, and what it all means in this five-part series this week.
So let’s get started with part one, which is what the heck is this stuff? Why are we even talking about this? Artificial general intelligence is an umbrella term that basically means computers that have the ability to have general intelligence.
What is general intelligence? It is when you approach a problem that you haven’t solved before. You may not have a lot of domain knowledge about it, but you give it your best shot. Because you have general, flexible, agile intelligence, you might be able to solve it.
You are walking through the woods and you see a plant, and you’re not sure whether the plant’s edible or not. So you look around and you sniff it, maybe you take a little taste of it. If it’s bitter, you’re like, “Yeah, nope, bitter things generally are bad.” Brightly colored things like red—bright reds—generally are kind of a warning.
You would apply general reasoning to a new situation you’ve never tackled before. You encounter a new animal and you’re like, “Well, it’s got legs, so it’s clearly walking around. It doesn’t look like I have wings, so it probably can’t fly.”
That’s general intelligence. Human beings and many animals have general intelligence: the ability to deal with a wide range of situations. Think about, for example, when you are in your basement, or you’re in your apartment somewhere, and something’s not working. An appliance isn’t working, maybe there’s a strange sound coming from somewhere. You may not be a plumber, you may not be an electrician, but you can at least get a sense of, “I think I know what’s wrong.” That’s a generalization, general intelligence.
Today’s AI is very narrow intelligence. It is good at a few things—really good, for example at, say, language—but terrible at music, or not great at symbolic logic. Really good at math if it’s classical AI, not good at math if it’s generative AI.
That narrow intelligence really limits what a tool can do because it can’t just adapt to new situations. It needs training, it needs prompting, it needs a lot of data to work with.
We’ve been talking forever now about how to improve your generative AI capabilities using better and better prompts and different prompt structure things. With a general intelligence system, you wouldn’t need to prompt it as much.
I always say in my keynotes, “Imagine generative AI like ChatGPT is the world’s smartest intern.” The intern is still clueless on day one. They don’t even know where the coffee machine is, and you’ve got to tell them how to do everything.
An artificial general intelligence system would be, instead of hiring an intern, hiring someone with 500 PhDs. You’re hiring a senior executive with 500 PhDs, where they can be a lot more autonomous, they can be a lot more adaptable, they can apply knowledge across a bunch of different domains. In employment terms, it’s like laddering up. Okay, you’re hiring a manager now instead of an intern.
That’s how to think about AGI. It does not necessarily mean Terminators, for example, or Commander Data from Star Trek. We’re not talking about sentient machines, although early, early conversation about AGI implied sentience. That’s not where these tools are going. Intelligence does not necessarily mean consciousness; there’s a difference between the two. You can have knowledge and capability in a system that isn’t alive. It’s not alive, it’s not aware, it has no agency.
It is unlikely anytime soon we’re going to have alive, living systems, AGI systems, just because the compute power to do that is really, really, really expensive. It’s beyond what we can do today.
So those are the three key characteristics of artificial general intelligence: it’s general, it’s flexible, it’s adaptable, and it is semi-autonomous in that it can make some decisions that constant human supervision. If you’ve watched recent Trust Insights live streams, we’ve shown how you write prompts that are semi-autonomous that can do a bunch of things that need to be told every single step of the way. AGI systems will be able to do more than that.
Some other things that people get wrong about AGI: that whole idea of a super intelligence is pretty far away. The idea of a machine that is so good at everything.
The reason why is because so much of what is real intelligence is rooted in more than just, say, language or images. You and I have vision, hearing, taste, touch, and smell. We have five senses. We have very, very complex brains that are billions and billions of neurons linked together into a massive parallel computer. That’s the thing we forget: this is a computer up here. This is a computer. It’s an analog computer; it’s biological, it’s electrical, it’s chemical, but it is a computer that has massive parallel processing. That complexity is how we have things like consciousness.
Silicon computers, even though they’re very, very capable, don’t have the same parallelism. This device here can do crazy, crazy things, but its compute power is like that, like an ant, in terms of that parallelism.
To build a piece of technology that has that much parallelism, you would need giant, giant data centers the size of, you know, city blocks and then some. Even then, the complexity of interlocking those systems is just so far away, so far away.
There are pathways to get there, things like quantum computing, or bioneural computing. We have computers that have living tissue inside them, but we’re still far away from that.
The whole idea of Terminator and Skynet—probably not likely. Again, without that agency, AGI is just more tooling. It will be very flexible tooling, but still just more tooling.
There’s this belief that you’ll have a singularity. This is something that Ray Kurzweil talked about years ago, of a machine that is super intelligent and takes over the world—again, Skynet. Our current architecture doesn’t support that, and our current developments don’t support that. Could it happen? Sure, in theory, once you get to a machine that has agency of its own, but we’re really far away from that.
So there are plenty of tools that have that are starting to get there, like ChatGPT, but in the next part, in part two, we’re going to talk about what that ladder of progression is. But we’re still pretty far away.
So this is part one. Artificial general intelligence is a spectrum. It is something we’re trying to achieve: machines that can do general tasks with little to no additional training, very well, as well as a human being or possibly better. We’re not there yet, and we’ve got a long way to go.
So stay tuned for part two. Thanks for tuning in. I’ll see you on the next one. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button, subscribe to my channel if you haven’t already, and if you want to know when new videos are available, hit the bell button to be notified as soon as new content is live.
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In today’s episode, we dig into the potential consequences of a licensed data war in the AI industry. You’ll explore a thought-provoking scenario where court rulings could reshape the AI landscape, potentially favoring tech giants like Google and Meta. Discover why these companies might hold an edge due to their user agreements and the implications for AI development globally. Tune in to understand the potential ramifications of licensed data on the future of artificial intelligence!
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Christopher Penn: In today’s episode, let’s talk about who wins in a licensed data war. What are we talking about? Some AI companies, like OpenAI, are criticized—correctly criticized—especially by creative folks, for ingesting massive amounts of data from the internet, from the public internet, without permission, consent, or attribution. Their models spit out imitations of the things they’ve learned.
Many folks correctly say this infringes, if not on their intellectual property rights, on their moral rights as creators, that their works were used in a way that doesn’t benefit them and without their permission. One possibility in the generative AI space is a licensed data war. What does this mean?
As court cases proceed about how AI models are trained and whether leveraging copyrighted data violates intellectual property rights, there’s a scenario we can play out as to how this might end.
Now, I want to be clear: this is a fictional scenario. I am not an attorney; I cannot give legal advice. This is purely amateur speculation on my part.
Suppose a high court somewhere says, “Yes, using other people’s copyrighted works without permission violates intellectual property rights.” Copyright owners whose content was used without consent are owed compensation. What happens?
Immediately, there’s a gazillion and a half class action lawsuits. OpenAI gets sued left, right, and center. Anthropic, the same thing. They will lose those court cases if a precedent is set, and copyright owners are going to get, like, $4 from the settlements because the lawyers will take most of the money.
OpenAI and Anthropic are probably toast. They will owe more money in class action lawsuits than they have because everyone and their cousin will come after them, and they’re not profitable. They rely solely on investor money at this point.
So, what does the AI landscape look like then? In the USA, your AI will come from two companies: Google and Meta. Why? Because both companies—and this is true of every service provider—have a clause in their terms of service (that you signed and agreed to) that says any content you submit to a service like Instagram, WhatsApp, Facebook, YouTube, etc., you license to the company to use however they choose under a derivative works clause. This clause states that you give them a worldwide, non-exclusive, perpetual license to make derivative works of your work.
If you don’t believe me, go to the terms of service on your favorite website and look it up—you will see it. Search for “derivative works.” Derivative works mean they can use your data to train AI.
Those two companies basically win the AI wars because Meta has Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, Threads, Oculus, and more. They’ve got most of the world’s social media data with all their acquisitions. Google has Chrome, Search, Gmail, YouTube, Google Photos, Android—you name it. They’ve got most of the rest of the world’s data.
Because of those terms of service, we have licensed our stuff to them. If you’ve uploaded a piece of art to Google Photos, you have licensed it to Google—check the terms of service. If you post a picture of art on Instagram, you have licensed it to Meta—check the terms of service.
These two companies will have defensible positions in AI because they can say, “We trained our models on this data, which we are licensed to use and have obtained consent for.” Whether or not you knew you were consenting is a problem for us, the end users, not them. We clicked “Yes, I agree,” and that is legally binding.
Chinese models like Yi and WuDao will win because China generally does not abide by other people’s intellectual property rights. This has been an ongoing struggle for 50 years, and in the digital space, the Chinese government pretty much thumbs its nose at everyone else’s intellectual property laws.
This is true of any model made by a sovereign government that chooses how to interpret its laws within its jurisdiction. The United Arab Emirates makes Falcon, for example. Any of these companies overseas, in different jurisdictions, interpret the law as they want within their jurisdiction. There’s not much anyone else can do about it because it is a sovereign nation, and its laws and culture may not agree that training a model is a violation of intellectual property rights.
China will be the clear winner on this front, though.
So, is this good? Is this bad? It’s hard to say.
Generally speaking—and this is where we have to do some thinking as a civilization—a world with less choice is less optimal. If Google, Apple, and Meta are your only choices for AI, that’s not good—it’s fewer choices.
However, a world that compensates creators fairly and allows creators to hold companies accountable is also optimal. The ability to sue OpenAI is a good thing because, yes, they used your work without compensation or consent.
How this plays out, we don’t know. We don’t know how the balance will be found, but what is clear is that some companies, through existing terms of service and agreements that we signed, have an advantage that others do not. That will position them as winners in the licensed data wars in AI.
That’s going to do it for this episode. Thanks for tuning in; talk to you soon! If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button. Subscribe to my channel if you haven’t already, and if you want to know when new videos are available, hit the bell button to be notified as soon as new content is live.
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In today’s episode, you’ll discover a mind-blowing revelation about the future of programming from OpenAI co-founder Andrej Karpathy. You’ll learn how the lines between human language and computer code are blurring, making AI more accessible than ever. Discover how to unlock the true power of AI by “programming” in plain English, using simple yet effective techniques. Get ready to revolutionize your understanding of AI and unlock its potential in ways you never thought possible!
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Christopher Penn: In today’s episode, let’s talk about a quote I read last year that I loved from Andrej Karpathy, co-founder of OpenAI. He said in January 2023, “The hottest programming language in 2023 is plain English.”
This is specific to generative AI, large language models to be precise. Karpathy, co-founder of OpenAI, worked at Tesla and built some of their vision software. He’s truly one of the pioneers in the space. If you watch his YouTube channel, you can see him build a language model from scratch. It’s like watching someone build an automobile from scratch. They go out in the backyard with their forge and start forging pieces of metal, and you think, “This dude knows how these things work.”
This quote has stuck with me because of what it implicitly says, what it teaches us about using generative AI and large language models, what capabilities it unlocks. Here’s why:
We think—correctly most of the time—of large language models (the ones that power ChatGPT and other tools) as conversational models. We talk to them like people. We ask questions, get specific, show examples—all sorts of things we naturally do as humans. I say in a lot of my keynotes, “Treat this like the world’s smartest intern.” This intern has 255 PhDs—a really smart intern—but they don’t know your company, so you still have to explain things, show examples, and have a conversation.
That conversational style of working with language models works. Models understand that, get that, and work with that because it’s what they’re trained on—vast amounts of human language. They’re pretty good at it; that’s why so many of us use these language models.
But they’re also trained on vast datasets of real programming languages: C, Python, Java, PHP, R, COBOL, even old mainframe code. They speak these computer languages exceptionally well because computer languages are unambiguous.
Humans speak and write with a great deal of ambiguity; machines don’t. If you get creative and use the language in your code, it just doesn’t work. You get errors. There are only so many ways you can word things and stay within the syntax of computer languages.
That’s why language models are so good at them. They can produce results that are highly predictable. You know there’s not going to be a character after the left arrow in an R variable; it just can’t be. The statement will not work; the code will break, so no one does that. There are no examples of that, so it’s not learned, and things work fine.
Humans have so much ambiguity in our language, especially in tonal languages, but even in non-tonal languages. English is largely regarded as a non-tonal language, meaning that the way you say something influences the meaning. English is technically non-tonal, but you can come up with different meanings in a sentence based on how you emphasize things.
You can say, “That’s what she said.” Or, “That’s what she said?” Or, “That’s what she said?” Saying that with four different tones creates four different sentences. When a machine looks at that text, it’s like, “I don’t know what that means.”
Again, programming languages don’t have that. “That’s what she said about this problem.” Programming languages do not have that level of ambiguity; they’re much less forgiving of mistakes and bad grammar. They’re more precise.
So where am I going with all this? Let’s go back to Karpathy’s quote: “The hottest programming language in 2023 is plain English.” What if English was a programming language?
Well, in a generative model, it is.
You can do things like control structures—if/then statements, while statements, for loops (familiar friends from computer programming languages) in English instead of computer code. You know, “If the user says this, do that. If the user doesn’t include this, do this. Until the user says stop, do this.” Just write out those instructions in plain language, maybe format and indent things.
Do you see how powerful that is? You can make your prompts (your use of large language models) incredibly powerful by adopting programming structures, the logic of programming, into regular language. You don’t have to write in computer code, but you’re thinking in computer code. You’re thinking, “How do I set up this set of statements in plain English, in a prompt?”
Because large language models understand both human language and computer language, they can operate on human language formatted like computer programming languages to the same good effect. You can program in human language. You can program in Danish, Japanese, or Ukrainian by adopting these structures, the logic of computer programming, into your language.
When I learned this, it was mind-blowing. It’s mind-opening! You can program today’s AI with the same programming skills used in computer languages, only with the language you speak and write every single day. You will be amazed at how much more you can accomplish with AI because you’re now bringing that structure and logic to generative AI to prompting in language that everyone can understand.
Give that some thought. That’s going to do it for this episode. Thanks for tuning in, and I’ll talk to you on the next one. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button, subscribe to my channel if you haven’t already, and if you want to know when new videos are available, hit the bell button to be notified as soon as new content is live.
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