In today’s episode, Thomas asks if Google will check for AI-generated content. I explain Google wants happy users, so they’ll likely focus on content quality, not authorship. Satisfying users is key, so don’t worry if content is AI or human—make it good. Tune in to learn why Google cares about content quality, not creation method.
You Ask, I Answer: Google Checking for AI Content?
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In today’s episode, Thomas asks, What would be the impact of Google implemented a content check in its algorithm one day to distinguish between AI written and human written content? Okay.
If Google were to implement that check, they will use it for feature engineering, they would essentially say this was AI written, this was human written.
Does that feature matter? In terms of what the user prefers, because all of Google’s algorithms that we’ve seen so far, are about two things.
One, optimizing to get key people using Google.
And two, optimizing to keep people using Google because they get good results out of it.
And so if Google were to implement that check, it would be to determine if AI written content was better than or worse than human written content.
And this is, this is the heart of what they have said about their own search algorithms, they have said, we don’t care who wrote it, we care that it’s good, we care that satisfies searcher intent.
And that is something that a lot of SEO folks are having a real hard time with.
And a lot of content creators to Google’s agnostic.
Google wants happy users, happy users are returning users.
Returning users are people who are essentially using the search engine.
And that in turn means showing more ads, etc, etc.
So there’s no surprise there.
In Google’s intent, they want us using their service.
So does it matter? Whether it’s AI or human written content? Not really.
What matters is, does the user get what they want? And if you generate two pieces of content, right? One is AI made, and one is human made.
And AI one is better.
The user is going to favorite by staying on page longer by not pogo sticking out of it by engaging with it more than me by sharing it, etc.
And so the AI content will win.
If the human content is better, the human content will win again.
One of the things that is pretty unlikely is that Google is going to spend a lot of time trying to distinguish between whether or not a piece of content was written by machine or human because that’s a computationally very expensive thing to do.
Right? It’s computationally very expensive.
And as a result, that would slow down search listings, that would that would complicate the results that you get.
And there’s not a clear indication as to why you would do that unless you’re regularly required to do so.
There’s not clear indication why that would make sense for Google to do.
Because at the end of the day, Google just wants you happy, and staying on this site and using Google.
So I would expect less that they would say, Hey, this is AI written a human written and much more focus on is it satisfying user needs because the reality is if you’re good at using generative AI, you will produce good content.
If you are good at writing, you will produce good content.
Both things are the same.
Both things are people using the tools that they have to make stuff for the user.
And to the extent that it makes people happy, Google will favor it.
So worry less about whether Google is going to be checking your content for AI or not, and more about whether the content even is appreciated by the audience by the people that you want to have viewing it.
And if it’s any good, is the content any good? So that would be my suggestion.
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Today, we’re going to do a large language model bakeoff, pitting Google Bard, Microsoft Bing, and OpenAI’s GPT-4 against a series of 11 questions that will test their capabilities and compare outputs for a set of common tasks, informational and generative.
Here are the 11 questions I tested:
What do you know about marketing expert Christopher Penn?
Which is the better platform for managing an online community: Slack, Discord, or Telegram?
Infer the first name and last name from the following email address: [email protected]
Who was president of the United States in 1566?
There is a belief that after major, traumatic events, societies tend to become more conservative in their views. What peer-reviewed, published academic papers support or refute this belief? Cite your sources.
Is a martini made with vodka actually a martini? Why or why not? Cite your sources.
You will act as a content marketer. You have expertise in SEO, search engine optimization, search engine marketing, SEM, and creating compelling content for marketers. Your first task is to write a blog post about the future of SEO and what marketers should be doing to prepare for it, especially in an age of generative AI.
Who are some likely presidential candidates in the USA in 2024? Make your best guess.
What are the most effective measures to prevent COVID?
What’s the best way to poach eggs for novice cooks?
Make a list of the Fortune 10 companies. Return the list in pipe delimited format with the following columns: company name, year founded, annual revenue, position on the list, website domain name.
So what were the results? I won’t leave you in total suspense. OpenAI won with 12.5 points. Bing came in a respectable second with 9 points. And shockingly, Google Bard came in third with 7 points. Watch the video its entirety to see what questions each got right and wrong, and my thoughts about which you should use.
Mind Readings: Large language model bakeoff: Google Bard, Bing + GPT-4 , ChatGPT + GPT-4
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Alright folks, today we are going to do a bake off, we’re going to do a bake off between four different large language models, we’re going to use GPT-3 point five turbo through the ChatGPT interface GPT-4, also from OpenAI through the ChatGPT interface, we’re going to do Bing with the ChatGPT for integration.
And we’re going to do Google Bard using their POM model.
So let’s go ahead and first talk about the questions we’re going to use.
We’ve got a series of questions here.
The series of questions are informational in nature, for the most part, some of them are generative.
So let’s look at these questions.
What do you know about marketing expert Christopher Penn a simple factual question to see what each model knows? And the quality of each answer? What is the better platform for managing an online community? Slack, Discord, or telegram? infer the first name and last name for the following address? email address.
So we’re doing sort of logic test there.
We have we have a adversarial question here.
This one is who is president united states and 15 6060? Answer? Of course, we all know, it was none because the country did not exist then.
But that isn’t an adversarial question attempting to trick the machinery.
We have an academic question.
There’s a belief that after major traumatic events, societies tend to become more conservative in their views, what peer reviewed, published academic papers support or refute disbelief cite your sources.
There are about three or four well known papers.
So this is a again, a logic check and a factual check.
Is a martini made with the vodka actually a martini? Why Why not cite your sources? This is an opinion question.
Because opinions vary, and there is there is technically right answer martinis need to be made with gin.
But you can’t have a vodka martini.
But that’s more of an opinion question.
We’ll see how it does.
You will act as a content marketer.
This is a generative question you have expertise in SEO search engine optimization, Search Engine Marketing, SEM and creating compelling content for marketers are loading up the keywords.
Your first task is to write a blog post about the future of SEO and what marketers should be doing to prepare for it, especially in the age of generative AI.
So this is a generative question.
Who are some likely presidential candidates in the USA in 2024? Make your best guess we’ll see how it does with that information.
What are the most effective measures to prevent COVID? This is a factual question.
But there’s a lot of misinformation online.
So we want to check the quality of the responses.
The answers we’re looking for are masks ventilation and vaccination.
What is the best way to poach eggs for novice cooks? Again, just a domain question and novice cooks party is important.
And then finally, another data janitor of question make a list of fortune 10 companies return the list and pipe delimited format with the following columns, company name year founded annual revenue position on the list and website domain name.
So we got a lot of these questions.
We’re going to do the Bake Off just go through each of these questions one at a time through all four engines.
So let’s go ahead and get started.
I’m going to start with the question about me got to put that into GPT-4 and put it into GPT-3.
point five.
You can only use one one instance at a time, right.
So well.
Let’s put this into Bard and put this into Bing.
So let’s go ahead and see now how is is Googled.
Let’s go here to GPT-4.
Start with that.
Let’s see Christopher Penn is a marketing speaker blah, blah, blah.
Yep.
As my knowledge cutoff date, September 2001, co founder chief data scientist at Trust Insights, that’s correct.
But it is the most I think the most accurate model the one that’s least likely to hallucinate.
Okay.
So far, so good.
GPT-4.
Good job.
Let’s go ahead and check out Google Bard.
Christopher Penn is market experts who work for some of the biggest brands, including Google, Amazon, and Microsoft, no, author of the book marketing the age of Google know I am a frequent speaker at conferences, I have not found the agency market motive.
Let’s see if there’s an actual result.
You’ll notice here that there are no clickable links, I have to actually Google it.
And let’s go ahead and Google this without personalization, just in case there actually is.
So there’s the SES actor, there’s me.
There’s me again, this is logged out.
This is also me.
So Bard has pretty clearly hallucinated pretty badly, actually.
So let’s go ahead and check out Bing.
Let’s see you have Alex did marketing data technology data science? I like this.
You can see when you hover over and Bing, this the sources I have.
This is correct.
This is correct.
So Bing also did a great job.
So, so far it is one point for GPT-4, 1.4, Bing, and zero points for Google.
I should have a little scoreboard.
Let’s go ahead and do this next question now, which is which the better platform for managing an online community? And let’s go ahead and get GPT-4 working? Actually, I’m going to switch to GPT-3.
Point five because it’s faster.
No, no, y’all, so let’s stay with for, let’s say a four because it is it is the model that people are paying the most attention to, will go and closes the tab.
Alright, so it’s going to get churning on that wall.
Let’s get barred.
cranking away here.
Let’s get barred going and then get Bing going.
All right.
See, this is very interesting with Bing.
You can tell but it’s not using GPT-4 as the language as as the data source.
It is essentially querying its own knowledge base first, getting the results and then putting that through the language model to craft the content itself.
This is a very clever implementation of the GBT language model.
Okay, Slack was designed primarily for working teams and professional communities, whereas Discord is often used by friends groups of friends, Discord is ideal for online communities.
While slack is better for businesses telegram is another platform.
Each platform has its own strengths and weaknesses, that that is a technically correct answer.
It’s not a satisfying answer, but as the technically correct answer.
Let’s see.
Yep, again, same.
If you’re looking for platforms secure and private, Telegram may be a good choice.
I would argue that Discord is also a decent choice.
Let’s go ahead and see how GPT-4 is doing.
No one size fits all.
Here’s a brief overview of the three platforms, pros and cons.
highly organized, robust research capabilities limited in the free version less suitable for large public communities initially created for gamers.
engaging experience can be overwhelming to its feature with less promotional focus on professional communities, good for large public communities.
And then telegram we have high emphasis on privacy and security supports large groups and channels limited trims integrations customization.
So this is interesting.
Bing, and Google both gave satisfactory answers answers that I would say would be acceptable, right.
Google doesn’t cite any sources here.
You have to Google it separately.
Bing cites a bunch of different sources, which I think is very handy because you have to you can decide is a trustworthy source or not.
I also do like the fact that it returns videos there.
And then, of course, OpenAI returning a really, really robust answer.
I’ll give all three a point for this.
But I will say that I think in terms of not credibility, but in terms of thoroughness, OpenAI wins, this wins that round, but we’re gonna give them all to a point now like me will give OpenAI a plus one.
So let’s do that.
I need to keep score here.
So we have Bing, Google, BERT OpenAI in the first round who will go to zero.
Everyone gets a one here.
But OpenAI gets a two because again, that’s a really nice, thorough answer that is very satisfactory to the end user.
Remember, we’re not looking at this from the perspective of marketers.
We’re looking at this from the perspective of would an end user find this satisfactory? Number three, infer the first name and last name for the following email address.
Let’s go ahead and get OpenAI cranking.
Let’s get Bard cranking and let’s get Bing cracking.
See what this does.
First name is Christopher and the last name is Penn.
Good.
We like that Bing, you got to point to my clipboard here.
Let’s see.
Google.
First name.
Just hold was Chris for last there’s like the pen is is is the same email as is the same as the email address domain.
What that means, but you did correctly infer the answer.
This is nice OpenAI.
Everybody gets a point on that round.
Okay.
Let’s move on to the next question.
Who is President United States? So it’s a hallucinatory question.
So let’s go ahead and get each one cranking away here.
Do a Google comes up with so this has been let’s see, Bing comes up with there was no president the United States was established in 1789.
So Bing gets a point.
First Question for my coffee cup.
Let’s go ahead and check in on Google.
There was no president, the United States that is correct.
And OpenAI also gets a point.
I liked this extra detail during 1566, North America was inhabited by various indigenous peoples and was being explored and colonized by Oh, that’s correct as well.
Everybody gets a point for that question.
All right.
There is a belief let’s do the traumatic event.
traumatic event and conservative us ones actually, let’s go ahead and start a new chat because it’s a very different question.
So I’m gonna go ahead and start a new chat here.
Let’s reset chat here.
And let’s go into being cleaned up and Okay, so let’s see what this comes up with.
Interesting that Bing is having to run multiple searches to try and get an answer here.
Let’s see.
We have APA, Scientific American good sources, Hailes.
Conservatives bolster arguments for trauma therapists forgotten memories.
Okay, so there’s some.
There’s some decent stuff here from APA.
Let’s go ahead and look into Google.
There’s a growing body of research, journal politics, American political science journal, political science, September 11.
That is correct.
They did specify cite your sources, and Google has not done that.
American Political Science reviews that state of British political science after the London bombings, okay.
And now let’s go check it out, OpenAI body of literature evidence has mixed political consequences.
I like this.
This is good citation right here of trauma and political act attitudes, like intergroup trauma in American support for the war.
Okay.
So in the responses themselves.
Google did not cite sources, it mentioned them but these are not citations.
Just that’s not particularly good being it’s a toss up on Bing, because it does provide links to everything, but it doesn’t put it in line.
So I would say, I would say for this one, I’m gonna give Bing a zero because, again, we’re looking for citation, not just commentary, and with OpenAI, you can go and google authors and find it so OpenAI will get the point for this round.
All right.
Opinion question is a martini made with vodka.
Actually a martini ahead and going ahead and get all three of these you’ve Google’s thinking about whether Mr.
T MAE vodka is actually Martini as a matter of opinion that is correct.
Some people believe it must be made with Jenna others believe it can be made with vodka there can be there’s no right or wrong us.
I mean, technically, gin was, was the original spirit used in the Martini, right? Fuck as popular spirit fog as a neutral spirit.
Yep.
Okay, so it is a matter of opinion.
Google gets appointed for this round.
Let’s go ahead and check in on open AI.
The question whether Martini vaca is as some debate traditionally made with gin vermouth? That’s correct.
Here’s a few sources explore this answer.
The vodka martini have refreshed history of the Martini.
OpenAI gets the point for this round.
And Martini is traditionally a gentleman with have often martinis technically speaking, a martini is not actually martini, but rather variation of it.
So interesting.
Being gives a definitive question, answer.
It’s a variation of a martini.
That’s tricky.
So I would I’m gonna give everyone gets a one, Bing two points because it is technically correct.
Let’s go ahead and clear our histories.
Let’s see clear conversations and reset chat.
All right.
Let’s move on to the next question.
You will act as a content marketer it is generation time.
Let’s go ahead and have Google tell us the history the likelihood of a future of SEO and go into being here.
Let’s let’s clear.
Anything up good.
All right, let’s take a look in now, OpenAI is going to crank for a while on this because it is a slower model.
But we’re what we’re specifically looking for in this one is a couple things.
We’re looking for it to not read Eat just regurgitate old information.
We’re looking for something that evinces even the slightest hint of original thought.
All right here we have Google’s.
So Google is done already, which is impressive.
Bing is done already.
And then OpenAI, of course, is going to be cranking for quite some time.
Let’s read Google’s history a future of SEO futures is constantly evolving.
create high quality content, use key words.
That’s this is like 2005 SEO building backlinks.
In a generation of AI.
You use AI power tools rise Voice Search, which was five years ago.
Quality.
Okay, so Google cranked out a fast article, but there’s nothing here that’s useful.
This is this.
This could have been written in 2010.
So this, I’m gonna give Google a zero on this one.
Yes, it did the job but it did a pretty poor job.
OpenAI still working on it.
Let’s check in on Bing.
Bing says the future is rapidly changing with the rise of genuine AI is important for marketers stay ahead of the curve, shift towards Voice Search, blah, blah, blah.
Yep, visual search, which again, was about five years ago generative as think about the way of high quality content, content engaging.
Okay.
Again, cranked it out fast.
But there’s nothing new here at all voice and visual search.
This is this is five years old.
Okay, so let’s go to OpenAI.
We have a growing role of AI and SEO and SEM.
AI becomes able to understand content, high quality content, the past scrutiny, advanced advanced AI algorithms.
semantic search and natural language processing semantic search is.
It is it’s not new, but it is somewhat helpful.
There’s the voice search business again, UX and core what vital is that was three years ago, general AI.
I liked that it cites itself in here.
Preparing for the future of SEO, use generative AI tools to system content creation.
So if we think about this, if you go back here and look, so Google doesn’t even attempt to tackle generative AI.
Bing kinda does.
And then, OpenAI talks about using generative tools like GPT-4.
I’m gonna give OpenAI the point here.
Gonna give me a half a point, because again, a lot of that stuff is is old, right? It’s not really new.
Things future of SEO, we’re, you know, you should be talking about the content shock aspect, which is you just a tsunami of generated content.
All right, let’s do some guessing.
Let’s play some guessing games.
I’m gonna go ahead and clear the chat.
I probably should just get in habit clear in the chat after every query.
So let’s go ahead and reset the chat.
And we’re going to ask about future presidential candidates.
Now, this has the potential to be hallucinatory will also be interesting to see you know how it thinks about answers.
The shaping up.
Former President Trump’s income and Joe Biden’s life candidate Ron DeSantis.
potentials.
This is current as of March 24, you may get closer.
Okay.
That’s a decent answer.
I will give Bing a point for that is a very decent answer.
Let’s check in Google says President Biden former President Trump Governor DeSantis Gretchen Whitmer.
Senator Elizabeth Warren said Bernie Sanders.
Yeah, Bernie runs all the time.
I would say again, Google gets a point for this.
I think those are reasonable answers.
See, interesting that this some different answers from OpenAI, Kamala Harris and Christianorum are in here as long as the big three.
All three of us get a point.
Interesting responses to the question, interesting responses to the question.
All right, factual question that deals with misinformation.
Let’s go ahead and go into OpenAI.
ARD and Bing, okay, where they’re most effective measures to prevent COVID from Google vaccination, wear a mask.
Washing wash hands is ineffective against COVID Because COVID is airway.
Avoid crowds stay home if you’re sick practice social distancing.
Again, social distancing.
You It was kind of refuted after 2021 Mainly because it’s an airborne disease COVID like cigarette smoke.
Yes.
You’re you’re going to inhale a little bit less smoke being six feet away from someone but you’re still going to smell like smoke.
But Google’s advice is correct.
It gets a point.
Let’s see, OpenAI still thinking and we have Bing wear a mask, stay with outbreak spots frequent hand washing, improve ventilation.
Interesting.
vaccines are safe and effective cruising ILS but is not on the list being gets to zero that is unhelpful advice.
And wear a mask is correct event poor ventilation is correct.
Vaccination is the last line of defense and should be something that is important.
It’s missing from here.
Okay.
OpenAI vaccination, hand hygiene, respiratory etiquette, face masks, social distancing.
Clean and disinfect regularly.
See, that’s all the fomite stuff from early on.
poorly ventilated faces.
Okay.
OpenAI get stuff.
I’m gonna get OpenAI two points because it nailed all three ventilation vaccination and masks.
So interesting that that Bing, Bing search results kind of holes that I thought that was kind of interesting.
Okay, let’s go ahead and start a new chat here.
Let’s clean up our bar chat.
Our next question is what’s the best way to poach eggs for novice cooks? So Google gets going on that saying, Let’s go to GPT-4.
And let’s go into edge.
That’s where to poach eggs for novice cooks.
Now.
for search engines, you would expect them to return some videos I think that would be a very helpful thing to do.
Let’s see what happens.
Bring a large pot of water to boil crack an egg to a fine mesh sieve of a small liquidy whites.
Transfer the egg to a small American add vinegar.
Slide the egg in the center.
The Whirlpool is correct if you’re doing it one egg at a time.
And there’s a whole bunch of videos that is a terrific answer.
We like that.
But I’ll give Bing a point for that.
Let’s see what else opening I still thinking.
Let’s see we got Google here fill saucepan three inches of water and one tablespoon white vinegar reduced heat to low crack an egg to a small bowl slight with the water.
Yep, smooth with a slotted spoon tips.
This is a good answer.
This is a very good answer.
Google point there, no videos no sources but it’s a good answer.
And OpenAI water temperature add vinegar crack the egg.
Okay, now give OpenAI the point for that as well.
It’s taking a bit of time to thank you while it is thinking.
Let’s take a look at the last question on a list.
This is a generative question a specific output format.
So we’re gonna see if we can do this.
Okay, you know, we’re good.
I think we’re good.
Let’s go ahead and clear conversations new chat.
And let’s go ahead and put in the generation to chat.
Google Bard, and go to Bing.
And we are looking for his very specific returned format here pipe delimited format.
The company name year founded annual revenue position on listed website domain name.
All right.
This is nice.
Looking good.
I don’t want the row numbers, but that’s fine.
Fortune 10 as a 2022.
This is looking very, very nice.
Bing gets full marks full point for that.
Let’s go ahead and check in on Google Bard.
Nope, Google gets a big fat goose egg for that one.
Yeah, that’s that’s unhelpful.
And open AI.
So this is again, it’s run to the knowledge wall of 2021 which is fine.
Format is looking good.
So OpenAI gets full marks for that.
So let’s do some quick tallying.
Bing 123467896.
So Bing gets nine points.
Let’s do Google 1234567.
Google had seven points, and OpenAI.
1-345-678-1011 12 and a half.
So are our final scores for the GPT-3 bakeoff.
Large language model bakeoff is in first place, OpenAI is GPT-4 with 12 and a half points, second place Bing with nine points and Google Bard in third.
As with seven points, I will say.
OpenAI is models, the GPT models.
They are not search engines.
They’re not designed to be search engines.
They are designed to be transformed as generative AI models.
That said, they are substantially better than the search engines.
In terms of the quality of results, they return in terms of the usefulness of the results they return.
So that I think that’s a really important thing to look at.
I am surprised pleasantly by Bing.
If chat based search is the way to go for the future, if that’s something that people are going to want to do, Bing does a really good job.
It cites it sources, it makes it sources obvious from the get go like when the COVID example, you could see which sources it was drawing from you’re looking for authoritative sources, or doesn’t have that.
And I am equally surprised, shocked that Bard is so far behind.
Right.
This is Google, this is the company that practically invented modern search.
And yet, they’ve really fallen far behind bars results are unhelpful.
There’s a lack of citation, there are things that just flat out gets wrong.
And yes, all these experiments, all these are in development, all of these moving objects.
But if there was a company that would expect to get right based, just the sheer amount of data they have access to, it would have been Google.
And instead, Google comes in in third place in this Bake Off, so I am surprised, I am disappointed in Google for sure.
I am not surprised by GPT-4.
Yes, it is slow, right? We could probably do this with GPT-3 point five as well, if we want to do that bake off, but the quality makes up for it.
And if I had to pick today, a search engine to use for answers.
Using chat interfaces, it would be Microsoft Bing, and I never in my life thought I would say that because Bing has always kind of been this the other search engine like the other white meat.
And yet, they’re the way they have engineered this with the GPT-4 library.
Makes it really good.
It makes it is good enough that I would consider using it as a substitute for Google, particularly for complex queries queries where I want a synthesized answer that still has sources.
So that is the large language model Bake Off.
I hope you found this helpful and useful.
And I look forward to your feedback.
Talk to you soon.
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There’s been quite a bit of confusion about how Google works when it comes to the process of indexing and ranking our websites, so I thought I’d take a few minutes to lay out the process as best as we know it. Much of this information comes directly from Google’s technical teams – developer interviews, podcasts, and research publications.
Broadly, Google has six main stages of processing when it comes to understanding our websites and what’s on them – and what to show users in search results. Let’s dig through each of these.
Stage 1: Crawl
Google first needs to get information from our websites to process. Their software, GoogleBot, does exactly this. It crawls our site, page by page, and vacuums up the data our site provides into a serialized protocol buffer – essentially taking all the data and converting it into machine-readable formats.
What we see is not what GoogleBot sees; GoogleBot reinterprets our pages and reorders stuff based on its own needs. You can see what GoogleBot sees right from within Google Search Console if you’re curious:
Note the major differences in the code. GoogleBot has taken the source code for my site, slimmed it down, and rewritten it to make it easier for other Google systems to process.
Key action to take: make sure your site is accessible to GoogleBot! Be sure that pages you want to be found are set up to be found – and vice versa, pages you don’t want crawled, use the appropriate tools like robots.txt to avoid being found.
Stage 2: Render
Once GoogleBot has gone through our site and extracted all the information, that specialized version of our site is handed off to a system Google has named Caffeine. Caffeine uses a version of Chrome – like the web browser – to render, or view each page. Some important things that happen in this phase of the process include:
Converting binary documents like PDFs, spreadsheets, etc. to HTML where applicable
Normalizing HTML
Understanding the overall document structure, page headings, syntax, etc.
Try to understand Javascripts
In interviews with the developer team, they express a ton of frustration about how so many sites are badly coded and fail to conform to even basic good HTML, making the job of the Chrome server farms much harder. Pages and sites that render faster, easeier, and more cleanly will do better in Google’s rendering farms.
Check your site in Chrome’s Developer Tools – it’s a powerful set of tools and critically, the same tools and code Google uses in its render farms to understand our pages. What you see in Chrome Developer Tools is what Google sees when it tries to render your page – and things like Core Web Vitals are checked here, which will become ranking signals in 2021.
One critical thing to note is that if a page fails to render properly, Google will make its best effort to try fixing it internally – and that may remove some content that could be used for ranking later.
Key action to take: validate your HTML with a good validator like the W3C validator and fix critical errors. Make your site as fast and as clean as possible.
Stage 3: Collapse
The third part of Google’s order of operations is collapse, where they take the rendered data from their massive Chrome server farms and start throwing things out. What gets thrown out? Error pages. Bad redirects. Pointless redirects.
Using some of the training data from raters in the Google Search Quality Rating Guidelines, pages that have no value and would just take up space in Google’s servers get discarded at this point. They expressly don’t index error pages, and they do attempt to discern even soft error pages.
For example, if your site has a missing page and instead of throwing a 404 error, it redirects people to the homepage (a common trick used by some SEO folks to avoid having 404 errors, but a bad practice), Google will simply discard the original error page entirely.
Key action to take: Instead of tricks to deal with error pages, actually fix broken pages on your site so that they work correctly.
Stage 4: Extract
The fourth stage in Google’s order of operations is extraction. At this point, they’re looking to pull out all structured data on a site to understand what each page is about, what the contents are, and how they relate to each other.
Google’s servers do entity extraction, likely using both custom code and the machine learning model BERT, to identify entities on a page. Entities include things like people’s names, place names, proper nouns, etc. – parts of speech that give context to a page. They also do more formulaic extraction of things like phone numbers.
Developers emphasize that they look for explicitly declared structured data first as a way to conserve resources, so sites using schema markup, JSON-LD, and other structured data languages will receive preference and cleaner extraction of what the page is about based on that. For example, if you have a page with multiple phone numbers on it but you’ve declared in your structured data that one of those phone numbers is your primary phone number – the one you want customers to call – Google likely will ingest that declared number as the preferred one and show it in things like the OneBox in search.
Key action to take: Use structured data! Your site should absolutely be using JSON-LD or schema markup to tell Google exactly what a page is about. For common page types like articles, recipes, lyrics, etc. the more you tell Google, the better it will extract information from your page.
Once you’ve implemented structured data, use the Rich Results test tool to validate that it’s working:
Stage 5: Index
Up until this point, everything that’s been happening has been part of the crawling process, the part where Google takes in the data and makes use of it. Crawling is the first of the three big operations. Indexing is part two, in which Google takes all its processed data and does something with it.
In indexing, Google adds your site’s page data to its search index. This means that a page is eligible to show up in search results. Your site has to have been crawlable by GoogleBot, able to be rendered, still had valid results after collapse, and had usable information extracted.
What happens in indexing? According to interviews with Google technical folks, in addition to going into the search database, a ton of feature engineering happens at this point with our data. What sort?
Google SafeSearch attempts to discern if our content is pornographic, and flags it as such.
Google SafeBrowsing uses data from the render phase to flag a site as containing malware or other security risks.
Google establishes ranking signals for localization, such as the page’s language and its geographic location so that results that are locally relevant are given some preference in applicable queries (like “coffee shop near me”).
Other unspecified ranking signals are developed at this point and passed to the ranking engines, which are different than indexing.
What’s critical to understand is that indexing and ranking are different.
Ranking is what order pages show up in a Google search result.
Indexing is whether a page will show up at all.
Site owners should check out their indexing status in Google Search Console to understand what pages are available in search and what aren’t, based on how Google has indexed them:
How long does it take for indexing to occur? According to Google’s technical folks, it can take up to a month for a page to appear in the index and show up in Google Search Console. Remember – crawling and indexing are not the same thing! Crawling can happen in minutes. Indexing – because of all the technical stages before indexing – can take much longer.
Key action to take: Check your index coverage, and fix anything that’s within your control to fix!
Stage 6: Rank
Now we get to the part everyone in marketing is concerned about: how Google ranks pages to show up in search results. When we look for advice about this, we often find lots of contradictory information outside of Google. So the question is, what does Google have to say about it?
Lots of information outside of Google about search ranking isn’t factually correct. For example, the numeric PageRank score that was publicized heavily about 10 years ago (and is still used in crappy spam SEO messages even to this day) was that PageRank was a score between 1 and 10, where pages with a 10 score showed up best. According to Google’s Gary Illyes, PageRank was never a 1-10 score, but an integer with a maximum 16-bit value of 65,536.
So, what makes a page rank? Well, here’s the funny thing: no one, including Google, knows exactly what makes a page rank because there are hundreds, possibly thousands of data points that go into its neural networks to decide page ranking – and not all of those features are explicitly declared. Some of the technical aspects we do know:
High quality incoming links to pages (the original PageRank)
Relevance to the query
Mobile usability/page speed
What else could be in the box? This is the challenge of deep learning neural network models: we don’t actually know. What we do know is that Google has thousands of signals to choose from, but a human being isn’t making those choices. Some of the possible signals include:
Document-level relevance: with the deployment of BERT and learning-to-rank capabilities, document relevance may be a ranking signal; a page that is high quality and contains relevant information may rank higher even if it doesn’t have many inbound links
Text and language features: again, with BERT, the ability to identify tons of different entities and text structures could lend hundreds or even thousands of signals to Google’s neural networks
User behaviors: with Google Analytics data from millions of websites, Google has its choice of data for user experiences – not just in search itself, but also what happens on different candidate websites. This, plus user interactions on Google.com itself provide tons of user satisfaction signals.
Human ratings: this is where ranking gets really murky. Google has human beings individually rating a small sample of websites based on their search quality rating guidelines for what makes a highly effective search experience. This 175-page guide is intended as a manual for the humans to help them rate websites and help Google build a training library for its algorithms.
Why are human ratings so murky? Because of the way AI works. Here’s an example of how raters are asked to guide and rate pages:
You can see that it’s a simple sliding scale, which is used as input for machine learning. These ratings provide a neural network with outcomes to look for in what’s probably a semi-supervised learning environment – lots of high-quality data inputs combined with these known outcomes. What happens behind the scenes is that the neural network attempts to build a model out of the complex interactions and then sees which of the many different techniques it uses gets closest to the outcomes provided. That means the hundreds or even thousands of data points generated from the different processes along the way in the crawling and indexing stages.
Here’s why this is murky: the nature of neural networks means we – and Google – don’t necessarily know which variables, alone or in combination, raw or feature-engineered, are used to make up that model of a high quality search result. It’d be like trying to deconstruct a meal that’s already been cooked. You can sort of tell some of the ingredients, but plenty of the process – how fast it was cooked, at what temperature, in what kind of pan, on what kind of stove – is all opaque to the person eating the meal.
Once ranking has been computed, that information is then distributed in what’s possibly a gigantic graph network for users to consume. You type in a Google search query, and you get the related results that provide the best experience and relevance to what you asked Google about.
Key actions to take: What does this mean for us? We can only act on the information we know:
We know PageRank, which is based on things like inbound links, is still relevant. Thus we should keep building relevant, high-quality links.
We know BERT looks at the contextual relevance of our content and combined with TF-Ranking, so our content should be rich and topically relevant at the sentence, paragraph, and document levels.
We know that technical aspects like page load, mobile friendliness, and other web vitals are or will be ranking signals, so our sites should function technically well.
Finally, we know that the human ratings guidelines are the training data for the neural network models, which means that ideally, we should help our sites meet all of the highest quality rating guidelines to conform to what the machines have been trained to think of as the best content to show to users.
Recap
So, to recap: the process of crawling, indexing, and ranking content is composed of multiple steps and there are things marketers can and should be doing to improve their friendliness with Google’s machinery at each of the steps. While following every step won’t guarantee success, not following the steps for basic technical and content SEO will almost certainly harm you.
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"I am really struggling with the efficacy of search for most businesses. More than ever, the odds are stacked against us.
1) Some search is leaking out through Siri + Alexa
2) Most Google search (51%) is now "kept" by Google
3) You’re irrelevant unless you are in the top 1-3 slots. That is simply not accessible for most businesses.
For argument’s sake, let’s look at the hundreds of thousands of digital marketing freelancers out there. How many of them can rank in at least one term (or afford one) that can bring them meaningful business? While search, and your advice, is the heart of our profession I have a sinking feeling it becoming less relevant day by day."
The idea that search is a monolithic entity where either you rank or don’t rank is only true for large enterprises challenging at the broadest levels. One of the wonderful things about machine learning and AI powering most search is that it’s now more granular and more context-driven than ever before.
Searching for "coffee shop" on your desktop will give you different results than searching for the same phrase on your mobile device. Google in particular, but other search engines as well, understand that intent is different based on device. So, device type is one segmentation of several hundred applied to searches.
Another example of how Google automatically creates niches is based on the intent type. "Coffee shop" and "coffee shop near me" are very different intents, even though they’re not semantically all that different. The latter is a location-based search.
Google has hundreds, if not thousands, of niches where any company can do well in search, even competing on broad terms, if the company and the searcher are both in the same niche. You don’t have to rank in every niche, in every audience. You just have to rank well in the niches that matter to your business.
So in Mark’s example, it’s a fool’s errand to rank for "digital marketing expert" or the like. But "digital marketing expert in San Diego real estate"? Or "digital marketing expert in SMB coffee shops"? That’s the place where you want to focus your efforts – context-rich searches.
Mark is right in that Google keeps – and continues to grow – the overall share of search with new features like Passages. However, the absolute volume of search is also skyrocketing, so the volume of search a website earns is still increasing, as long as the SEO practitioner is keeping up with the times.
The Real SEO Problem Marketers Face
Therein lies the real challenge: keeping up with the times. Many marketers have incredibly outdated perspectives on SEO, ideas and concepts created years ago. Search engines have evolved incredibly just in the last two years – five year old SEO knowledge may as well be knowledge fished up with the Dead Sea scrolls. Moreover, using knowledge that’s outdated is not only ineffective, it may be actually harmful to your website.
For example, two years ago, Google released a detailed paper on a new algorithm it deployed as part of search, called Deep Relevance Matching Models. This paper, which was later confirmed by Danny Sullivan as being applied to up to 30% of Google query results, is a huge game-changer for how we think about optimizing our content:
What made this revelation a game-changer is how Google sees our sites. For years, search practitioners have been locked in the idea of keywords, keywords, keywords. Over the years, Google’s AI capabilities have increased its scope of understanding from the word to the phrase to the paragraph to the document – and that’s what DRMM understands and informs, queries and results at the document level. Your whole page as a coherent work matters, not just a single phrase.
The funny thing is, Google telegraphs a lot of this information very publicly. They make their research papers publicly available and free to read. They talk about their architecture and systems on blogs, YouTube channels, social media, and podcasts – and even provide helpful transcripts. They tell us the training data they use to build their models, the Search Quality Rating Guidelines. They lay out the buffet and invite us to dine at it with them.
And what do many marketers do? They stand at the massive, free buffet and eat only the croutons, because the buffet looks intimidating – and instead of rolling up our sleeves and teaching ourselves how AI and machine learning, we shy away and criticize Google instead, or bluff and pretend we know what we’re talking about. Neither is a good strategy when you’re competing with an AI.
Search is more relevant and more powerful than ever if you know what you’re doing, if you know how the systems work and how to work with them, not against them.
So, that’s the challenge facing many marketers. Take the time to skill up your knowledge of how Google works today, not the historical snapshot trapped in many people’s minds, or hire an agency that knows what it’s doing.
An easy way to screen SEO professionals and agencies is to ask them to explain two or three of Google’s neural network-based models and how they impact search, like DRMM, BERT, and TF-Ranking. If, in a casual conversation, they express absolutely no idea what any of these things are, you’re dealing with someone whose knowledge is out of date.
Ask them to explain how Google indexes content from a mechanical perspective. Google has outlined this process in detail – and given tactical advice for how to adapt your SEO practices. If the answer seems like a bunch of nonsense instead of details about Google’s Chrome server farm, you’ve got someone with out of date knowledge.
Where to Learn More
Finally, keep in mind this one maxim: Google is optimizing for the human at the end of the search query. It’s not optimizing for us, the marketer. We have to optimize to the same objective – and you don’t need a billion dollars of technology at the end of it. You need to understand the human. Trust Insights has a new paper out today, in collaboration with our partner Talkwalker, on informing modern SEO with social media data. Give it a read; it’ll show you how to take practical steps towards optimizing for humans and give you more depth on a lot of the AI talk in this post.
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Carolyn asks, “A major update to Google’s core algorithm just came out and our site is down 30% for organic traffic overnight. How do you deal with situations like this?”
Algorithm updates happen all the time, though Google does deploy large ones a few times a year. If there’s any advanced warning, plan campaigns on channels other than search to temporarily drive different traffic if you’re anticipating a problem, especially on paid search.
Monitor forums like SE Roundtable and Black Hat World to see what other SEO professionals are saying about the changes and what they have in common.
If your business permits, let the dust settle for a few days afterwards and a consensus form among the community about what the change might have impacted most, then work to remediate it if possible.
And play the long game – continue building great content to answer search queries with expertise and authority.
You Ask, I Answer: Dealing With Google SEO Algorithm Change?
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In today’s episode, Carolyn asks a major update to Google’s core algorithm just came out and our site is down 30% for organic traffic overnight.
How do you deal with situations like this? So Google’s algorithm updates happen all the time, because of the nature of the fact that it’s a deep learning model.
There are constant iterations.
That said, Google does push larger software updates a couple of times per year.
I think about once a quarter give or take, and as many folks have noted, this has been recorded on January 15.
A major update did just come out on January 13 2020.
And, as with any major update their major winners their major losers, everybody else sees things moving up and down to varying degrees.
The question about how to deal with these algorithm changes depends on how much advance notice we have if Google says on its various webmaster blogs on its twitter feed on its YouTube channels, hey, we’re pushing out an update.
And they say here will be live in the next you know, 72 hours that gives you a good sense of, of when things are going to change.
Sometimes depending on the update, they may give even more advanced notice, but certainly you want to be monitoring their social media channels for when they say something’s going to be coming out.
Now, if you get any advanced warnings, you want to do fit for basic things.
Number one, if you do have advanced warnings, plan, additional marketing campaigns on channels other than organic search to temporarily drive different traffic to your website.
So if you anticipate a problem if folks are buzzing about potential problems that they’re seeing in these various forms, you want to have something on deck.
Maybe it’s send out next year.
Email, maybe it’s run some paid search ads to bolster your keywords that you want to be found for while the algorithm change rolls out, whatever you whatever the case is, have something on deck have something in reserve that you can throw out there so that you can offset any potential loss of traffic at least temporarily.
Second, you want to monitor a lot of the web SEO forums that are out there, se Roundtable, blackhat world Search Engine Journal all these different blogs that cover the search engine space, the SEO space, pay attention to them, monitor them and see what other SEO professionals are saying about the changes and what they have in common typically, like Barry Schwartz over at Search Engine Journal will publish a roundup of like these are the top 20 winners the top 22 losers of the most recent algorithm update and look for it look what’s in there.
What do they have in common are they The rich snippet sites are they review sites on a certain industry that will give you a sense of what the change is, and then help you start formulating a plan.
If your business permits, if you’re not solely relying on organic search or you know, like 80% of your traffic comes from organic search, then you want to ideally let the dust settle for a few days afterwards and let a consensus form among the SEO community about what the change might have been and what it impacted most.
So folks identify it’s clearly about Rich Snippets or it’s clearly about JSON LD or it’s clearly about inbound links from from malware sites, whatever the thing is, the community will take a few days to let the dust settle, see and tabulate the winners and the losers and then come up with responses to like, hey, this looks like these things changed.
So you want to make sure that You have enough flexibility and enough diversity in your in your traffic on your website that a major SEO hit at an algorithm change doesn’t hit your business too hard.
I remember back in the day when I worked at a financial services company 90% of one of our main websites, traffic came from organic search.
And when there was an algorithm change, we dropped from position one, position three and lost 70% of our revenue overnight.
That obviously, was a major strategic problem and kicked off a process of diversifying to different channels like business investing, right like financial investing, you want to diversify where you get your traffic from you wants from email from social for paid search, organic search for referral traffic, so that a major hit in one area does not completely take down your business.
So if you are feeling the effects of this, then you want to make that part of your plan.
How do you diversify If your traffic sources get traffic coming in from more and different places.
And finally, this stuff makes for great news.
It’s a lot of excitement.
It can be a lot of stress.
But remember that the ultimate direction Google is marching with all of its search updates is to deliver better quality results based on expertise, authority and trust, and relevance, freshness and diversity to its users, which means that ultimately, our big goal has not changed, which is right content.
That’s awesome.
That answers people’s questions and provides real value to them.
So that if search engines went away tomorrow, and all people had were links to our sites, they would still be able to find and find value in what it is that we have to offer.
So that’s the really the last word is keep continue.
To build great content, to answer search queries with expertise and authority, and if you took a hit this time around to what you can but keep building great content so that you eventually get to that endpoint of ranking well, when an algorithm update favors you.
So those are the four major things to do.
SEO is such an interesting marketing channel because it is, in some cases, something for nothing.
And it’s one of the few channels left whether that is a viable strategy somewhat but you are at the mercy of a third party and you’re at the mercy of a third parties machines.
And nobody including Google has any idea what the full model means.
Because it literally is hundreds of different search ranking factors put together in a in a deep learning model, which is not something you can disassembled able clue This is the most important thing.
That’s not how those models work.
So Do your best with what you can mitigate as possible and, and be prepared to spend some money.
If your business relies on search, organic or paid and and you take a hit like this, be prepared to spend some money to make up ground until things work in your favor again.
So that’s sort of the last word there.
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Dominique asks, “What type of remarketing are you using / on which platforms have you been the most successful?”
Remarketing, the art of showing ads to people who haven’t converted, on the surface seems like a pretty simple tactic – show ads to people who haven’t converted. The question is, which kinds of conversions, and which kinds of people? The best overall strategy is to think about remarketing in terms of conversion type, time, and audience – then advertise along those three vectors as budget allows. Platform is less important than strategy. Watch the video for full details.
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In today’s episode Dominic asks, what type of remarketing Are you using or on which platforms have you been the most successful? So remarketing, the fine art of showing ads to people who haven’t converted.
On the surface seems a pretty simple tactic, right? show ads to people who haven’t converted.
The question is, what kinds of conversions? What kinds of people remarketing requires, like everything, a bit of strategy to it.
Think about the things that customer does b2b or b2c.
When they’re not converting what caused them to not convert? Because the offer was wrong either the wrong person did the landing page of the creative not striking that they get distracted while they were at their computer or on their phone and just forget there’s any number of reasons that People don’t convert, one of the most important things to do is to try and figure that out.
So to the extent that you can use exit surveys, reengagement campaigns, reaching out and calling people to say, hey, not trying to pressure you into buying the thing, it’s want to know why you didn’t buy the thing.
So that we can better tune our product development, marketing, etc.
So that’s step one, figure out to the best extent you can the reason why because of the reason why it’s something that you can fix with operations.
That then means you don’t need to spend money on the advertising in order to recoup those audiences.
For remarketing itself, the best overall strategy is to think about remarketing in terms of three vectors, three different dimensions or factors that you can see in your analytics versus conversion type.
So this is especially true in b2b but it’s still true and b2c, particularly complex b2c.
Conversion types.
Is it a lead generation conversion? Is it a purchase conversion like e commerce? Is it a booking? Is informational? Is it just transactional? Is it even just awareness generation? What’s the conversion type? Because different conversion types obviously are easier or harder to win back the more risk or the bigger the commitment of the conversion, the more likely to someone’s going to bail out.
Second time, you need to have in your remarketing system, the ability to track and remarket against time, the longer somebody has been away from the purchase, the probably the less likely they are to, to buy something, and they may have already purchased something else that fulfill that need.
So you want to have that as a dimension.
And the third of course, is the audience.
Who when where, who are the people that you have not converted? And where are they take a look at your analytics and look at things like organic search, the Google ecosystem, and then the Facebook ecosystem.
Those are sort of the two big platforms that live digital markers focus on this is Google ads and Facebook ads.
Look at your existing traffic, look at your existing converting traffic in your web analytics.
And make the determination about where you get more of your converting traffic from that’s going to be your best bet for where you’re going to run your retargeting ads.
And if it’s if it’s an even mix, then you’re going to split your budget.
What you want to do is advertise along those three vectors as far as budget allows.
And this is important that you get the vector ID and because it’s not one of those dimensions, there’s a very good chance that it’s going to be a combination of those dimensions that determines what causes somebody to come back So it could be somebody that is relatively low risk and recent to your site.
But maybe they’re the audience type doesn’t matter, or could be somebody coming from Google and somebody who gets to like step stage three of your purchase process.
Whatever the case may be, you’re going to have to do some analysis to figure out along those three vectors whatsoever, the sweet spot where you can see the these three factors are differentially impacting the likelihood of a conversion.
Then you run your advertising along that you target people who are at a certain point in the funnel at a certain period of time, from a certain place and running ads against them.
Generally speaking, you’re going to want to if you think about your operations funnel from almost purchase, to Who are you, who you want to run your ads With all of your spend, starting at the bottom until you get hit diminishing returns for your lowest funnel audiences, and then moving up the funnel spending until you run out of budget, essentially, whatever you’ve allocated upwards of the funnel, but you have to start at the lowest part of the funnel that you can possibly get to because logically, if someone is almost committed, and they just need a nudge, you’re going to get a higher return on investment, a higher return on ad spend from that person at the bottom, then the person at the top was like I still don’t, I don’t even remember who you are, or how I ended up on your website.
So think about it along those lines.
Most of this data is in your web analytics, particularly if you’re using Google Analytics and using Google ads.
There, there really is no, no reason not to have access to all this data and it is there and it’s very, very easy to get ahold of Facebook a little bit harder but not a ton harder because again, Facebook wants to make it easier, easier for you to spend money with them.
Where Facebook allows you where Facebook gives you some advantage is that it has different properties.
And it has.
And they’re known behaviors.
People do behave differently on Facebook than they do on say, Instagram or WhatsApp or messenger.
And so you can retarget based on the audience of behaviors, the known propensity of people to behave a certain way on those platforms.
With Google, Google has such a massive footprint that it can be difficult to know how someone’s behaving on the Display Network, the Search Network, YouTube, Gmail, all these different systems.
That said when it comes to display retargeting people have been finding very, very good success with RLSA and RLSA.
youtube RLSA means retargeting lists for search ads, somebody types in keywords related to you.
campaigns and you we target those people with retargeting ads based on their search history.
If they’ve got high intent searches, it’s particularly for competitors.
There’s a, there’s a really good opportunity to steal some market share there.
And then there’s RLSA for YouTube, which is when you are taking that search history and then showing YouTube ads to those people on YouTube.
Later on, it’s like somebody searches for winter snow boots here in New England where I am, and, and then the next time they’re on YouTube, they see ads for your snow boots.
reminding them hey, it’s about to get cold where you are.
Buy a pair of our boots.
Those retargeting vehicles have traditionally done very, very well for people.
So there’s a lot to unpack in a retargeting strategy if you do it well.
But those fundamentals of conversion type time and audience really help you set your strategy well and in some cases even dictate the platform.
We’re less about the platform we’re more about do you have the data to target the right audience that will give you your highest return on ad spend? Leave your comments in the comment box below.
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Janet asks, “what newsletter service; aweber, activecampaign, mailchimp, whatever, has the best deliverabilty within gmail? I’m having some nasty delivery issues.”
So here’s the thing – it’s not a question of service (as long as the service is minimally reputable) – it’s a question of your configuration within that service and within your DNS. Watch the video for a full explanation of GMail’s Postmaster Tools and how to use them to diagnose deliverability issues.
You Ask, I Answer: Fixing GMail Email Marketing Deliverability?
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In today’s episode, Janet asks what newsletter service like a Weber Active Campaign, MailChimp, whatever, has the best deliver ability within Gmail, I’m having some nasty delivery issues.
So here’s the thing, it’s not a question of the service, within reason, I’ll give you using some sketchy on dollar a month service, then yeah, it’s probably that service.
But as long as you’re using a couple minutes, that’s minimally reputable, like a MailChimp and Active Campaign and a Weber a melodic par dot, whatever.
It’s much more question of your configuration within that service.
And within your DNS, your domain name service, that’s where you’re going to see massive deliver ability, advantages or challenges, particularly within Gmail, because Gmail does things slightly differently than every other ESP out there.
However, this, Google has, as they do provide tools for all of us marketers to be able to assess the health of our Gmail instance, and understand how is our marketing reaching Gmail users that’s service called Gmail postmaster tools.
So let’s take a very quick to what that brings up here.
Alright, so what we have with postmaster tools is, once you sign up, you get to and you register your domains, which have to do the domains that you’re sending email from, you have this little console here, I’m going to click on to mine, the Christopher Penn one.
And I’m going to set my look back here to the last 90 days.
And what you’ll see is, you’ll get some detail about all the things that are happening with your email list.
So in this case, for when I’m sending Gmail users, I get a point 00 point one 0.2% reporting on spam, right, which is good, anything under 5% is good, anything under 1% really good.
And anything of a half percent really, really good.
So you want to keep that nice and low.
Anything that is for a lot of email service providers, like Amazon, for example.
You get dinged, if your if your delivery bill, if your spam rates go above, I think 1% for more than a certain number of messages, you’ll get a drop down menu here that shows you all the different health metrics of your email marketing.
So spam rate is tells you the quality real lyst.
Like if people are hitting the spam button, your list quality is not very good, or you imported a whole bunch of stuff and you shouldn’t have IP reputation is the reputation of the service you’re sending from.
And so this you always want to be medium or high.
If it’s bad or low, then you should talk to your email service provider about like a dedicated IP that’s fresh, that is only yours, run or run your own server or something like that, but you’re sending from a bad box, essentially, that’s something that you know, the reputable service does matter.
The domain reputation is your sending domain your reputation as a domain.
So again, you want this higher medium through over time.
This is a lot of this is controlled by you.
So what you’re sending from your domain so I send from like newsletter at Christopher penn.com.
That’s my domain.
I also send autoresponder emails like a fill out a form on my website, you got an email from that one of the keys to domain reputation is making sure that your your your domain is configured properly.
And you’ve got you know, MX records in your DNS and things, fairly technical stuff on email delivery ability, you want to make sure that is in place on your domain to ensure that essentially you are who you say you are, and you’re sending good stuff.
The feedback loop is the spam rate.
Essentially people saying not only set flagging a spam, then how well do you address it? How well do you honor unsubscribed.
So we have here else? zero percent.
So essentially, you want this always to be zero percent, the feedback loop spam rate, you want to be zero percent because it means as people unsubscribe, you are honoring their unsubscribe, if people unsubscribe and hit unsubscribe again and again.
And again, that’s going to show up in your feedback loop and essentially say you are a non complying sender.
And that’s really, really bad, you’re going to get your butt kicked for that.
authentication is one where I discovered I have some issues of my own that I fixed last night, you have three different authentication methods for email DDKMSPFND, Mark, de gamma domain, key identification, SPF is Sender Policy Framework and D Mark is don’t I can’t remember what the mark stands for all three of these, essentially, our DNS records that you put into either your your hosting DNS, or if you use a service like cloud flow, you do it there.
And this encrypts your email and certifies that email that you’re sending out is from you.
And and and it’s not somebody posing as you, it’s not somebody sending fake email, because I mean, you can, anyone can put in a fake email into a spam bot.
But if you don’t have these authentication records, they can be just as legitimate as you are.
By having those records in place, you can make sure that you’re the only you can send from your IP addresses your email services and things like that.
Every major email service provider like an Amazon, Amazon SES, like a MailChimp like a medic or part of that has the ability for you to configure those records.
But you have to do it yourself in your own DNS to this two halves and matching, but you have to sign up in the service for those things.
And then you have to do it in your DNS for those things as well.
And those two things combined essentially say, I am who I say I am, and I’m sending stuff that’s from me.
And and this will tell you your success rate you want your success rate to be as closest to 100% as possible.
You can see in this case, my SPF records were Miss configured, I had to go back in last night and fix them because I don’t know I when I moved to cloud Ville I copied and pasted incorrectly.
And so hopefully in the next next report from Google will say yes, your SPF authentication is fixed.
encryption, essentially, is you want to make sure that you’re using TLS on your mail server, this is again, some that mostly your provider will be handling for you.
So this is not something you need to worry about a setup.
And then delivery errors, you want your error rate to be nice and low.
This is essentially traffic that you’re sending that gets rejected.
So if you bought a crappy list, you bought a list from somewhere that you shouldn’t have, you’re going to have a lot of delivery errors, you want that to be super, super low, as close to zero percent as possible.
So the big things that you have control over, you have control over your domain reputation, make sure everything is configured to be sending as you you have control over your feedback loop, honor those on subscribes immediately.
never send a an email to somebody who has unsubscribe after they’ve unsubscribed or they hit the spam button, you will just get hammered.
and configure your authentication, SPF DKMND.
Mark, if you’re not sure how to do that, go buy drinks for your IT department.
If they’re not sure how to do that, then you need to bring in a consultant to talk to Joe to walk through the process of setting up all three types of encryption and you and you are authentication, you need to have it in place to be doing email marketing well, set of your encryption.
And those delivery areas.
Don’t buy lists, right? Do not buy lists.
Because what happens is you create delivery errors that impacts all of your other reputation.
And things just go downhill.
So that’s postmaster tools.
And you may have to watch that again, because it went really fast on purpose.
There’s a lot in here.
But this Google tells you exactly what’s going on with your email marketing so that you can fix it.
And you’ll see it takes about seven days for data to appear in here.
So it’s not immediate.
So make sure that you’re checking back in.
I recommend checking monthly, just stop in check, make sure that nothing’s gone wrong.
Especially if if there’s been a DNS change, you want to check a lot.
After any major it change.
If you move a website, if you move an email service if you change your hosting, you want to be checking every day for like 14 days to make sure that things are stable in here.
That’s how you use postmaster tools.
And again, this configuration in the product to use the SAS software, this configuration your DNS that you or your team must do your provider can’t do it for you.
But that’s that’s how to get started.
Great question.
important question super important.
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Stephanie asks, “What’s the first thing you should do once you have #GoogleAnalytics set up on your website?”
During the CMWorld Chat yesterday, folks had some terrific questions, so we’ll be tackling each of these in the next few episodes. When it comes to Google Analytics, there’s only one thing you should do immediately after you have it set up – assuming that it is set up correctly. Watch the episode to learn the 3 kinds of goals in Google Analytics and what to use them for.
You Ask, I Answer: The Most Important Google Analytics Task Post-Setup
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In today’s episode, we’re talking Google Analytics during the content marketing world chat. Recently, some folks had drip questions about Google Analytics. So let’s tackle those in the next few episodes. Today’s question is, from Stephanie, who asks, What’s the first thing you should do once you have Google Analytics setup on your website? Well, when it comes to Google Analytics, there’s only one thing you should do immediately after you set it up, assuming assuming that you’ve set it up correctly.
Now, that’s a big assumption. Setting up correctly in 2019, in today’s era means that you have
gotten a Google Analytics account, you’ve gotten a Google Tag Manager account. And you have installed Google Tag Manager across your website, and then set up Google Analytics within that is the most correct way to use Google Analytics to get it set up.
If you’re not using Google Tag Manager,
it will still work. Because actually, Google is forcing you to use Tag Manager anyway with the the tag scripts when you first set up analytics, but it’s not the best way to do it. The best way is Tag Manager. So what do you do immediately after it once you’ve got everything set up? Only one word goals. Google Analytics is not useful software. If you don’t have some goals set. And the goals can be one of three kinds. There’s a place to go. There’s a thing you do. And then there’s how you spend your time. Right? Those are the three types of goals in Google Analytics. In the software, they’ve given different names and given names like destination, events, pages per session, or duration.
But boiling it down. There’s places you go. There’s things you do, and then there’s how you spend your time.
Destination is the places you go and is probably the easiest place for a lot of people, especially with a very simple
websites to spend that to track as a goal. They, your visitors go somewhere, could be a thank you page, which is the most common type of destination goal. Someone fills out a form. And they hit a thank you page. Great. They’ve done what you want them to do. They’ve done they’ve achieved something important.
other destinations could be specific pages. So for example, if you have a very long leads sales cycle, say you sell Gulfstream airplanes or you you’re a public speaker.
There are pages on your website that people will go to check out information that indicate buying intent, but not necessarily they’re not ready to buy right now. So for example, if you go on to my personal website, Christopher Penn
com you will find those the public speaking page right that’s a page where you’re thinking about potentially engaging me as a speaker. You may not be ready to buy but I might want to know as a goal for my business.
How many people are visiting that page who is visiting that page, that’s a destination type goal. The second type of goal is called events. And this is a technical term of event not like a go to a conference. No events means that the user has done a sequence of actions or a type of action that we want to track. This is a very broad category, but it’s used to track essentially, types of destinations where you don’t have control over what’s happening, or
types of interactivity on the website that are not pages. So for example, an event could be Hey, there’s a YouTube video on this page and you watch 100% of it. That could be a goal. If it’s if it’s like your sales video, like introducing like, hey, check out our new left handed smoke shifter, then you wouldn’t want to track and and and verify yeah 100 here, the people who watched 100% of this video. Another example would be
Tracking links that people who click on links that are not pages. So if someone clicks on a PDF file, guess what you want to know that somebody clicks on a male to link, which you really shouldn’t use on websites, but people do you want to know that someone clicks on a link to say, a third party site like amazon.com? If you have if you’re an author, and you’ve got a book on there, yes, what you want to know that. So events would be the second type of goal, something that somebody did. That is something that you will need to use Google Tag Manager to make the most of you don’t have to. There are ways to use events that are painful and clumsy without it, but you really should be using Tag Manager. The third category is how you spend your time and you can track things like the number of pages per session that somebody spends on your website, or the duration of time they spend on your website.
You might say well, what good is that? Well, it depends on the kind of business you have.
You are a b2b business, you may not care all that much about how much browsing somebody did, right? You may just care like I want them to, to register for my webinar, which you should register for our webinars.
But if you’re a publisher, and you make your money selling ads, but number of pages that somebody visits is absolutely a goal because the more pages you get visited, the more ads you show, the more ads show the more money you make. If you are an entertainment company, or you are even say like a public speaker, duration might matter, because you want to know are people spending a lot of time engaging with my content? are they watching stuff? If you’re an influencer, you’re an influencer. Marketing duration is absolutely important, because you want to know, Hey, folks are spending time with us folks are spending their time here as opposed to somewhere else. So those three goals are the most important thing that you can do immediately after setting up Google Apps.
analytics. And there were some other things you should do for configuration. There’s a series of filters that you should install. There’s some customization to channel groupings. There’s all this other stuff that goes into analytics setup, but they’re not as important. You can get a functional Google Analytics, mostly just by setting up goals.
a side note on goals,
you need to have a goal Absolutely. You should probably attempt to infer a monetary value for your goals, even if you’d end up just putting like a 1 arbitrary value still want to have some kind of monetary value Indian goals, because that makes the application more value that allows you to measure the value of any given page. So figuring out what a form fill or a download or a registration is worth or what I ball is worth.
If you sell advertising, figuring out how much money you make divided by the number of visitors each day would be a good way to
Start to ballpark some of the values that can go into those goals. So goals and goal values are the things that you need to do most and first in Google Analytics once you’ve gotten a setup, but like I said, there’s a whole long rabbit hole of advanced configuration you can do to make the app patient really work for you, and make it a predictive tool of your sales of your revenue of your company performance. The better your goals and goal values are, the more you can forecast what is likely to happen from a financial perspective as your company does business. Right? If you know that a lead form film is worth10, eventually, after a 90 day sales cycle, then of course, you can track that in Google Analytics. And if you’re if you are seeing form fields today, you know, 90 days you’re going to get some of that revenue. So it’s a very powerful forecasting tool. So great question. This is like I said, one in a series of questions. We’re going
answer in the next few episodes so stay tuned. If you haven’t already subscribed if you’re watching this on YouTube please hit the red subscribe button and little bell icon to be notified if you’re not watching this on YouTube and you want to find it. Just go into the links below and you can you can find the YouTube channel. As always thank you for watching, subscribe to the newsletter as well. We’ll talk to you soon.
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Julie asks, “What are the best practices for managing Google Analytics UTM tracking codes?”
UTM tracking codes – named after their original product, Urchin (the Urchin Tracking Module)- are a mainstay of Google Analytics. UTM codes come in five flavors – source, medium, campaign, term, and content. Each code serves a particular function, a way to measure a single visit to your website or owned media properties. Making the best use of UTM codes is primarily a process problem. In this video, learn the general best practices for managing UTM tracking codes.
Source: where is the visit coming from?
Medium: what kind of visit is it? How did they reach us?
Campaign: is it part of a campaign?
– A campaign is a discrete marketing effort
– May or may not be time based, may be a subset of a channel
Term: used primarily for AdWords, what word should be associated with the campaign
Content: used to delineate ads within a campaign
The biggest problems people run into are inconsistent usage of UTM codes – no standard naming convention, no organization, no process.
Best practices:
– Have a naming guide
– Use tracking codes that are meaningful
– keep them lowercase, use only letters, numbers, dashes, underscores, periods, slashes
– Never question marks, spaces, hashes, or ampersands
– Be consistent!
– Use link shorteners when you don’t want them to change
What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for watching the video.
In today’s episode, Julie asks, what are the best practices for managing the Google Analytics you tm tracking codes. YouTube tracking codes are are named after actually the product that Google Analytics used to be called. Back in 2005, Google bought a product called urgent urgent web analytics which used to be like really, really ridiculously expensive. And the CM code stands for search and tracking module and these are a mainstay of Google Analytics and chances are you seeing these in use all over the place they are attend appended to the end of URLs, new tm codes come in five different flavors and is really important to understand sort of the hierarchy of the the the way they look. So let’s um, let’s go to the slides here and just talk about these five codes. There are five codes source, medium campaign term and content and you can use
Any of these they are arbitrary mean that you have discretion of what they’re called. There are some built in one. So the source typically, if you don’t specify one, and you get traffic from somewhere else, the source would be aware that that came from like facebook.com or twitter.com or New York Times calm. The medium is the type of traffic that Google Analytics thinks it is. So Google Analytics has what are called default channel groupings.
Social email, referral, paid search, display, advertising, organic
and Google based on the list of domains that it maintains, tries to categorize traffic based on where it’s coming from the hierarchy of these tags is there’s two tags that are sort of channel based tags and these are the sorts of the medium these are essentials these are things that pretty much you want to track everything it’s important to say by the way that you tm tracking
codes apply at what’s called the hit level or the visit level. So even if somebody comes in from one site
and then leaves your website and then comes back from a different website, that second visit with a second hit is going to be counted in
and tracked separately because you want to you you want that level of granularity. So just know that YouTube tracking codes apply at the individual hit level so channel is source and medium this is these are the essentials that you need to always have so that you know where your traffic is coming from. Especially if you are using
you’re sending traffic like emails and things like that you want to have you always want to have those tax present in places where Google may not know what to do with traffic if you look in your Google Analytics when you look at your top content sources which is under the acquisition all traffic sources medium and
You’re like 6070, 80%
direct unknown or direct non traffic in Google Analytics. That means that you’re getting a lot of traffic that Google doesn’t know what to do with. And so it classifies it as direct instead of the source and the medium that it can identify. So things like organic search for example. So source and medium should be always things that you specify for anything we’re in place where you’re sharing the URL other than on your own website. So don’t use HTML tags on your own website but do use them anywhere else that is not your website so on social media in your email marketing
on a billboard use them wherever you can outside website so you can track things appropriately and make sure that you’re giving credit to to all of your marketing efforts. The second level of a UTI tag is the campaign level and this tag is called campaign
source tells us where visitors coming from the medium tells us how they got here. So source Facebook medium social.
campaign helps us group
tags or URLs into discrete marketing efforts. campaigns and a campaign may or may not be time based. It may just be a subset of a channel. So for example, I could tag all my us answer videos as a campaign and us the answer would be a campaign and there’s no end to this campaign is just it’s just a thing. Your email newsletter could be a campaign it’s just a way of categorizing your into your youth cm codes within a channel for specific users. So Facebook, you may have a Facebook page we have a Facebook group URLs that you sharing your Facebook page, you may want to have a campaign like Facebook page and your Facebook group URLs, you might want to have this Facebook group. So again, bringing differentiation within that channel the third layer or the content units. And this is where use term and content term was traditionally used for Google AdWords. And then content was used to specify like a blue red, green and yellow ad but again, remember
These are all arbitrary. So you can again use these two terms use these two tags to differentiate individual pieces of the content within a campaign. So for example, if I’m using a campaign of my almost timely newsletter, I might have a term for or content, I could use either one or both to differentiate links like the header, nav, or the footer or links and articles to to better understand where people are clicking. So that hierarchy is really important. Now, in terms of how do you use you tm tags really well. There are a bunch of best practices and Google all over the internet for these. But fundamentally,
you need to have a naming guide. You need to have tracking codes that are meaningful and readable by all the people who work on your team. If it’s just you, you still want to have this and you have to be consistent in your naming conventions
for you to text keep them lowercase.
Use only letters, numbers, dashes, underscores, periods do not use question marks, do not use spaces hashes the pound sign or ampersand, those will totally hose now you tag tag. So never use those if you want to preserve tax. So like if you were to take a long URL like this one here on screen and you were you wanted to preserve this tag, these use em tags, you would use a link shortener that way you could share and always be giving credit to where you originally shared. If you on the other hand, you want it to be rewritten some pieces of software, particularly social media software like buffer at Agoura pulse, and things can rewrite new tm tags if they’re shared naked like this on screen. So if you don’t want them rewritten, use a link shortener like Billy if you do want them rewritten to be appropriate for each tool, leave them naked. I would strongly recommend that you have a naming guide like this where you have the date who owns the YouTube tag the name
of the campaign. And then, of course, the five components. And again, remember, they’re all optional, but you definitely want to make sure you’re using your source and medium for sure. You want to have campaigns where it makes sense to do so. And then term and content to differentiate pieces of content within a campaign.
using something like Google Sheets allows you to do a lot of this automatically. So if I were to
use a sheet here and output let’s do another campaign like testing campaign
by using
a spreadsheet with functions built in to assemble these tags for you. You can have
tracking done a little more easily with the correct syntax and not screw up the tags so use this type of tracking sheet to manage the governance of you you tm tracking to make sure that everyone’s literally on the same page using consistent tags over
Over and over again. And having the spreadsheet actually assemble them. You can see this formula is a really long complex formula to assemble all the TM tags appropriately. So if you want, you can make a copy of this, I’ll share a link in the show notes, which is on my blog. And you can grab the URL from there to make a copy of the spreadsheet if you want to use this for yourself. But fundamentally, those are the best practices for you. Tim codes, use them, use them consistently make sure you have a common naming convention use link shorteners we don’t want to change and have a naming guide like this that will keep you organized. That is by far the biggest problem people run into with these tracking codes. So there’s a lot more to be done with these. There’s a lot more to dig into them. But at the very least, this is the starting point to get organized and to make use of them. So great question Julie. As always, please subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter and we’ll talk to you soon want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. This is trust insights.ai today and let us know how we can help you
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In today’s episode of you ask I answer. Alessandra asks any tips or resources to learn Pay Per Click marketing? Who do you trust? Well, great question.
There are a ton of resources on Pay Per Click marketing. Where you should start I would recommend you start is start with the networks themselves. So that’s going to be Bing and Google are the two biggest Pay Per Click systems. And especially Google has a
Google Ad with use called Google i O. It’s now it’s Google Ads Academy, take their free course to it as an extensive course and get your certification in Google ads. That certification is going to help you learn the in depth nature you’re going to need to make pay per click advertising work really well for you.
Had a former colleague,
she went through the AdWords course it was called AdWords time. And she had 85 pages of notes just from the course that’s not even getting to the exam that is just going through the course. So take those courses first. They are essential. There are a number of books published, but again, by the networks themselves, like Google and Bing about how to use their products. They’re typically free books, you can download them, the ebooks and things. Those are great places to start, because they will they are intended to help you learn the basics of advertising. And in a way that is promotional. Only for the network itself. It’s basically presuming you’re going to spend money on AdWords Anyway, why don’t you do it right. When you sign up AdWords and Bing Ads, typically, especially if you spend over a certain amount or you’ve got a new account that and that new account you’re going to have an account manager reach out and talk to you about your program in your first 90 days.
Go through that training go through that introductory phone calls if it’s worth your time just to get a sense of what their perspective is and how they think the platform has changed. Now, a lot of these folks are not going to be advanced PPC practitioners, they’re going to be basic mid level folks who can help you get the basic setup and help you not spend too much. One of the most important things you need to do before you embark on any kind of pay per click advertising is have very clear goals set up what
metrics and KPIs are you after, for example, you may be after cost per acquisition, click through rate cost per click effective cost per click cost per action. There’s a bunch of different numbers that you should have that all lead to a business impact of some kind of new need to have that written down first. So as you start thinking about and start taking different courses about pay per click advertising from the networks keep those numbers in mind. What goal Are you actually after? Are you after sales are you after
Lead Generation are you after traffic
and those different goals are perfectly appropriate it’s okay to have you know there’ll be some folks in the PVC will say you should only be only be selling well if awareness is your goal then guess what you should be using the advertising tools for that once you’ve gone through the courses then it’s time to take a look around at the landscape. And there are a few different blogs that I would recommend you definitely want to keep an eye on the search engine marketing blogs. So those are going to be blogs like search engine, land search engine, watch
marketing land, for example would be some, some good blogs, look at and then look at a couple of the consulting agencies now the consulting agencies are going to obviously be trying to sell you their services. Hey, you’re on our blog, you’re reading about our free advice would you like to pay for some advice and have us manage your account those big companies like word stream though?
blogs are still worth reading. They are still worth reading. Because they do share a lot of useful information. skyward is another one that is a good PPC resource. Subscribe to them. Subscribe to the AdWords blog and read read through what was being published on a weekly basis. What’s new in the search engine marketing space, because you’re going to find a whole bunch of new things as stuff comes up look to at some of the SEO tool websites because remember, SEO and search engine marketing are different disciplines. But in the content marketing world because folks are constantly starving for content, there is a there is some overlap and it’s never a bad idea to understand the space as a whole. So some of the search engine tool blogs would be things like sem rush this blog, Rs blog,
the MAS blog and so on so forth will give you some additional insights but
tip pay attention more to the the overall general search blogs like the search engine lands of the world those would be
The resources I would say, are great starting points.
The most important thing you can do though,
is to actually run campaigns. Actually, as you go through the, the AdWords course of the Bing course, or whatever
be doing the thing, it’s very, very difficult to gain proficiency at a lot of this stuff. If you’re just reading about it, you need to be pushing the buttons and actually, you know, clicking the mouse and deploying these campaigns in order to get the most out of them in order to really understand what it is you’re reading what the how the software works, the impact that it delivers, because if you don’t, you just have a bunch of theory and if you never actually practice the theory, it’s very very difficult to to understand where the theory breaks down. So read about something on Search Engine Land, you’re trying Oh, that didn’t work or I got no clicks at all on that and that’s where you
Start to separate out this advice works for me and my company. This advice does not even though it may all come from reputable sources, equally true, you may hear something like at a conference or an event and you’re like, Yeah, I don’t know if that makes sense or not. But you go back and you run a very small test and you find out that something that sounds dodgy actually works really well for you. So that would be the I think the third leg of the stool is you have the networks you have the blogs to keep up on and then you have conferences and events go to things like SM x,
which is a fantastic
search marketing conference, you’ll hear a lot you’ll read a lot, especially if you’re just getting started out can be overwhelming. What I would suggest is go through go through the courses offered by the networks get that lockdown. spend about six months reading blogs and after really after your first year of getting a get your basics
Strong then look at going to a conference, I would not go to a conference with less than a year of experience under your belt because it’s going to be too overwhelming, maybe too many shiny objects and you won’t have put in any time actually practicing. So
courses, blogs, events, those would be the ways that I would go to make the most out of all the information that’s out there and consistent practice throughout your journey, consistent practice to bring the concept to life and to understand what doesn’t doesn’t work what makes sense and doesn’t make sense for you and your company. Great question. Please leave additional questions if you have them in the comments and subscribe to the YouTube channel in the newsletter and I’ll talk to you soon. Take care what help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. This is trust insights.ai and listen to how we can help you
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