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In today’s episode, Tanner asks, Can you explain why Google Analytics four is supposedly going to be better in the long run? That’s a really good question.
Because obviously, with a lot of the transition issues and the fact that it’s still a little rough around the edges, it may not be able to easy to see what those benefits are.
And certainly, if you are not already on Google Analytics, for, there is no immediate need to make the switch, there is, in my opinion, the immediate need to get it set up and get it collecting data.
But once you’ve done the basic setup, you can just set it and forget until you’re ready.
And until the platform has matured.
So there’s three big things that Google Analytics four offers that are different and better than what you get in Google Analytics, three, or Universal Analytics.
The first, an easy one is the improved cross device tracking, especially if you have a mobile app.
So if your company has a mobile app, having Google Analytics for allows you to unify your mobile app users with your web users, and that gives you a much bigger, better, cleaner picture of who your audience is.
So that one’s kind of a no brainer.
If you have a mobile app.
If you don’t have a mobile app, you still do get better cross device tracking, and better raw data on the back end, because Google Analytics for as we’ve talked about, fundamentally, under the hood, is actually Firebase Analytics.
It’s actually the Firebase database underneath there with the Google Analytics interface on top of it, the the GA four interface on top, so it’s built for mobile first, which is a phrase you’ve heard a lot from Google in the last 10 years, right? Mobile First, mobile first web mobile first indexing, mobile friendly mobile usability.
Clearly, it’s not a surprise, right? These things are everywhere.
It is a mobile first world.
And so it makes sense for our animate analytics to reflect this particular strategy.
That brings us to point number two, the event model that Google Analytics for uses is the Firebase model, where every interaction somebody has swipe, tap do this do that is tracked as its own separate event.
That’s one of the reasons why out of the box, it says, you know, you want to turn on enhanced measurement, and it tracks all these extra things.
Those are standard Firebase events.
And so the benefit of this is that it makes our data more granular.
If you look in the Google Analytics BigQuery, that it will set up for you automatically, it is much easier to see every individual interaction that a user has now, this is a lot more of a tenuous benefit right now to the average marketer, for the average database person, it’s a huge benefit.
Because in the previous version of Google Analytics, you had four scopes, right, you had the hit, you had the session, you had the user, and you had the product.
And not all the data was compatible with each one.
Right? It was very, very challenging.
In some cases, to get unified data out.
If you wanted to know about users who had converted within a session, it was a real pain in the butt to get that what the Firebase database looks like, on the back end is the technical term is denormalized.
Right? Instead of a unique user, a user will have a unique event and a whole bunch of, in some ways, duplication of the user data, it makes for a very big flat spreadsheet, essentially, instead of having, you know, four, actually, that’s a really good way of explaining it.
Imagine those four scopes in Google Analytics, three are different for different tabs in a spreadsheet, it’s kind of a pain in the butt to get data from one tab to the next.
Google Analytics for denormalize is that which is a fancy way of saying it just puts it all in one big sheet.
So you don’t have to reference cells and other tabs and things like that, you can do it all in one table.
This obviously has a major benefit for Google itself.
Because a denormalized table is easier to process.
It’s faster to process.
But it has benefits for us as marketers if we have the skills to work with that kind of data.
Because now, all the fields, all the dimensions and metrics that we’re used to that used to have these limitations don’t have those limitations anymore, we can query the database through either Google Analytics for or the back end database.
And pull out that the data that we want and aggregated at the the level that we want to view things at so you can roll everything up to a user or you can break it down to a session or even into a session data.
That in turn gives us the ability to have much better path analysis.
There was a substantial limitation in Google Analytics three, four path tracking conversions it is it is still not great.
But it’s a pain in the ass to get to get that data out.
Because in the dimensions and metrics in in ga three, you had to reference a whole bunch of you know, the three steps before conversion, I’m trying to aggregate this model together, which you can do.
But now in ga for this event model, it gives us the ability to track every single action, somebody took on the way to a path to purchase.
So if you’re using advanced attribution models, suddenly, as long as you can retrofit your code, your model is so much better.
Because you don’t you’re not limited to a look back window of the last three or four interactions that somebody had, you now can see if they’ve been on your website for an hour and a half clicking around, you can see all 5060 7080 hundred different events that happen before that conversion and build a much more robust conversion model.
So that event model really gives us the granularity we need to do very substantial analysis.
Is it easy? No, no, you got to be really good at working with that data.
But can you work with it and turn it into valuable insights? Yes.
The third major thing in the long run is that BigQuery integration.
Up until now, only Google Analytics premium users were able to get the back end raw data from Google Analytics.
Now, everybody has it.
And again, this is not something that a non technical market is going to find a whole lot of benefit with.
because it requires a lot of expertise.
But for the technical marketer, this is a huge benefit.
This is a massive benefit.
Because you can now go in and get the raw data, you don’t have to do things Google’s way, if you have a better way of doing it, right.
If you are a skilled programmer, and our Python or Java or any of the languages can talk to a BigQuery database, you can write your own code to access the data to process the data, and maybe even visualize the data in some other way.
For a lot of the third party visualization tools like alteryx, and Tableau and stuff, they have BigQuery connectors that are native.
and pulling data out of a BigQuery database is way easier than pulling it out of the Google Analytics API.
It’s faster, it’s more accurate, you run into fewer connection issues.
So for the data driven marketer, that BigQuery integration is a massive benefit.
And it will be better in the long run.
What this means for most marketers, at least those who have the budget to either build the technical capability themselves or hire it out, is that you’ll have much more custom attribution models, you’ll have much more custom audience models.
And you’ll have your special sauce, your unique way of of analyzing your data that other companies don’t have, right? That technical proficiency will be part of your secret sauce that makes your company more successful.
If you have a better model, a better template a better algorithm for analyzing that data, you can use that to create competitive advantage.
Whereas other companies that are stuck with just the stock tools in the interface, they’ll do okay, right.
But they won’t be able to reap the full power and benefits of that data.
Google is essentially giving you all the raw ingredients and saying hey, some people are only going to be able to make pizza, right? And that’s okay, because pizza will feed you.
But if you can take this flour, and yeast and all this stuff, you can make breads, muffins, and pies and all these things that other people might not be able to.
So that’s where you’re going to see in the years to come.
A big competitive difference is those companies that can leverage the data.
And those companies that can’t.
So those are the three major benefits, they’re going to take time to see the value, there’s one more benefit and that is for agencies specifically, again, if you develop a proficiency if you develop a capability who developed the algorithms and the models and the software to leverage the data that will be part of your secret sauce that you can bring to your clients.
And that can be a major major benefit.
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Jakes asks, “I’ve moved 5 sites To Google Analytics 4, set up a host of custom events in Tag Manager to recreate what I’m missing from GA3, but where do find Source Medium Campaign In Data Studio With GA4? Am I missing something obvious?”
Yeah… it’s not there yet. That connector is still in beta, according to a Google employee, which seems like an oversight. I’ll show you the workaround for how to get source/medium data in Google Data Studio from your Google Analytics 4 data.
You Ask, I Answer: Source/Medium for Google Analytics 4 in Data Studio?
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In today’s episode Jake’s asks, I’ve moved five sites to Google Analytics for setup a host of custom events and Tag Manager to recreate what I’m missing from ga three.
But where do I find source medium campaign data in Google Data Studio with ga 4am? I missing something obvious? Yeah, ah, it’s not there yet.
Which seems like a bit of an oversight.
In fact, Jake went on to ask this exact question.
Let’s flip around here.
Yes, is the exact question to Google and a Google employee said it’s still in preview.
It’s not there yet.
But fields themselves may not be available in the API? Well, that’s not helpful since source medium is kind of one of those critical things you want to know.
So the question then is, what can we do to solve this problem is, is the data just not there is something Oh, what’s going on.
So there’s a couple different ways to handle this.
First, let’s figure out is the database so good and go into Google Analytics, one of the functions that we have access to it is in the advanced setup, is you have access to Google BigQuery, which is Google’s cloud database.
And if you have a Google Cloud account setup, which I would strongly encourage you to set one up, it doesn’t cost you any money out of the gate, it just cost storage time and money over time, you can connect to Google BigQuery database to your Google Analytics.
Now, this is advanced stuff.
But for the purposes of at least just being able to see the data, I think it’s essential.
So in BigQuery, I went into my database, and just started looking at what’s in the table.
And we see for every single interaction, you get these dozens and dozens and dozens of parameters.
Right? So this is the raw data from from Google Analytics.
This is one of the reasons By the way, why Google Analytics four will eventually be the gold standard for Google Analytics deployments.
Because it’s really hard to top this, like, pure raw data, it’s wonderful.
What you’ll notice here is that there is traffic source name, medium, and source.
So source medium, and name is in that which is a campaign.
This is a good thing.
This is This means that the data in fact, traffic source name, if you look at the formatting kinda looks like a default channel grouping, doesn’t it? It’s kind of interesting.
And the the the platform, whether it’s web or app, so the data is there.
It’s physically present, which means that we could get it into Google Data Studio, the challenges is going to be how do we get it into Google Data Studio? Well, one of the things that we can do in Data Studio is bring in data a BigQuery database natively.
So I’ve got my Google Analytics for data here.
Right, we can see, it’s, it’s right there.
And as Jakes was saying, when you look in the fields that are available, yes, source medium, totally absent, right? It’s not, it’s just not there.
So how do we do this? How do we get source medium data at all? Let’s go ahead and add some data.
I’m going to add Google BigQuery.
And we’re going to choose my BigQuery project.
Oops, like that.
And then choose my not not my real time database, but my regular database.
And look, as we’ve been talking about previous videos, Google Analytics for really is Google Firebase right.
And so there’s a an existing Firebase template already set up for us, we add that to our data source, oh, added to our report.
And now let’s go ahead and make a new chart.
And now for our chart, we’ve got our Firebase database here instead of Google Analytics, right? So let’s go ahead and we’ve got our event date there.
And instead of offset, let’s do unique users.
And now, you see acquired source acquired medium acquired campaign.
Now we’re starting to be able to see those different variables.
So let’s go ahead and add in sources of breakdown dimension.
Looking good, right now, we can start to see more clearly where our traffic is coming from.
And there are major sources if this is difficult to read, obviously switch the visualization to anything else that makes sense to you.
But now we’ve got our source medium data in here from Google Analytics the hard way, right, using the BigQuery database instead of the fact that the API does not have the data in it.
Now, this is a workaround.
Let’s be clear.
This is a workaround, isn’t it? Convenient workaround I would expect, based on the Google employees response, that this will not be the state of things going forward.
Right.
This is, while they figure out how to build all the pieces that need to be built to surround the Google Analytics ecosystem, this is the workaround.
I would hope that this is not permanent, because it’s silly.
But if you are deploying Google Analytics for right now, it is in your interest to do the BigQuery integration, and to have the BigQuery database available and collecting data so that if you do need to report on your ga four data for some reason, because it’s not right, clearly, for every business to be using right now, but if you didn’t need to do that report, and you have the option to pull in the BigQuery data and report on it natively within Google Data Studio.
This also speaks to the fact that Google Analytics for you in its entirety, as part of the ecosystem with Tag Manager analytics, and Data Studio is not ready for primetime yet, it is not something that you should be using as your system of record for your marketing data.
Should you have it? Yes.
Should you have it turned on? Yes.
Should you be collecting data? Yes.
Should you be relying on it for your mission critical reporting? knew? Not if you’re going to have to keep doing, you know, hacks and workarounds like this, just to get the data out of the platform or be pulling data straight out of your your BigQuery database now? Should you be doing advanced analytics and building on it? Probably, because what you see in BigQuery is the raw data, right? It is the raw data and that schema is well established.
So it’s already, it’s already established.
It’s been established.
It’s Google Firebase.
And thus, you could feel pretty confident in building code on top of the Firebase database.
But should you be relying on the GA four API? Definitely not.
So the workaround for bringing it into Data Studio is to use Firebase, the Firebase database until the GA four API gets updated within Google Data Studio, that will give you the ability to visualize this stuff a little more easily.
But know that the data is there.
Right.
That’s the important part, the data is there.
So it will eventually be available.
So you can feel confident, deploying Google Analytics for and knowing that it will collect all the data that it’s supposed to be, and build all those custom events, as Jake’s was talking about, get all this Custom Event setup and Tag Manager.
So you’re tracking all things you want to be tracking? Because remember, it’s never retroactive.
And then, as the product matures as the infrastructure overall, the Google Marketing Platform matures around Google Analytics for you’ll be able to do more and more with less and less headache.
So that’s the answer.
It’s a terrible answer.
But that’s the answer.
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Tara asks, “It seems pretty quick and simple to set up GA4, but do I need to set up all of the different triggers in the Tag Manager separately? Or can I just set up one Tag with all of the triggers?”
Google Analytics 4 relies much more heavily on Google Tag Manager than GA 3 did. To answer this question, we need to clarify the roles of each piece of Tag Manager.
A tag is the thing GTM does.
A trigger is the thing GTM listens for.
A variable is data GTM does something with.
Goal configuration for Google Analytics 4 has now moved largely into Google Tag Manager. Watch the video for a complete walkthrough.
You Ask, I Answer: How to Set Up Tags, Triggers, and Goals in Google Analytics 4?
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In today’s episode, Tara asks, it seems pretty quick and simple to set up Google Analytics for but do I need to set up all the different triggers in the Tag Manager separately? Or can I just set up one tag with all the triggers? Okay, so Google Analytics for leans much more heavily on Tag Manager than Google Analytics three ever did in Google Analytics, three or Universal Analytics.
You could do everything in one application.
Now it’s broken up into a couple of different places.
So to answer this question, we have to clarify the roles of the different pieces of tag managers so that we understand what each piece is supposed to be doing in order to make, say, a goal work.
Let’s go ahead and flip over here.
Let’s go to Google Tag Manager, we have three fundamental things, we have tags, we have triggers, and we have variables.
Variables are where data is stored in Google Tag Manager for things that you want to track.
And initially, you’re going to rely heavily on the stuff that is built into the application.
So for example, there’s all these built in variables.
So these are the things that you can track, these are pieces of data that you can collect.
The ones that I find we typically use the most for Google Analytics are things like the URL that somebody is clicking on the page that somebody is on maybe the page title, although that’s really unreliable, the form that somebody is filling out.
So those are some of the big ones that out of the box, we tend to use things like scroll depth, etc.
Also, you’ll typically also have like a Google Analytics for variable in here, which is your tracking ID, it’s best practice to always have that just as a as a preset variable so that you don’t ever miss type it particularly since the new tracking codes are now letters and numbers and not just numbers.
So that’s what variables do.
Again, you probably won’t spend a whole lot of time there.
Triggers are what happened when Google Analytics, Google Tag Manager listens for something listens to something, the user doing something.
And when the user does the thing, Tag Manager raises its hand says, Hey, I see somebody doing the thing.
So Tara’s question, can you set up one tag with all the triggers? Not really, unless you want to have all these different triggers go off at the same time, which most the time is not going to be the case.
You know, for example, in Google Analytics for when somebody completes a newsletter signup, right? Then they reach this page has this URL fragment, I want this trigger to raise its hand say, Hey, I see somebody doing the thing.
Let’s let you know, I’m letting you know somebody is doing the thing.
Tags are what tag manager does.
So it listens for the trigger.
And then when the trigger goes off, it says, Hey, I heard the thing.
And then the tag is what tag manager does with the thing.
So in this case, with the newsletter subscription goal, what we see here is here, we see that it sends an event to Google Analytics for right it says it listens for this trigger.
And then it sends this piece of information, what’s the value of this thing? And what is the newsletter subscription goals.
So that’s how you understand the concept of the way Tag Manager sends data to Google Analytics.
So in order to build goals, we have to have a trigger for to listen to, or to have a tag for it to do something.
And we have to track the corresponding event and make sure we understand that set up as a conversion in Google Analytics.
So since I actually haven’t have not gotten around to fixing my own website yet, for a lot of these things, let’s build one of these sequences right now.
I want to know, when somebody let’s see, let’s let’s do when somebody visits this page, my public speaking page, right, I think that’s a important page for me to understand if you’re visiting or not.
So the first thing I’m going to do is I’m going to make a trigger I want to listen for when somebody visits that page, let’s name it something intelligent, GA for public speaking, trigger, one of the most important things you can do is have a good lexicon, a consistent lexicon, so that you can under so that your tag manager doesn’t get cluttered up with stuff is like I don’t know what that even means anymore.
We’re gonna do a page view, why do we some pages I want my page to contain public speaking.
Generally speaking, there are very few situations where you’re gonna want to do an exact match.
Or an equals very, very few because for example, if you get to a page and from Facebook, it’s gonna have that fb clid ID on the end.
And if it is, equals and stiff, contains Tag Manager won’t raise its hand.
Okay, if you have contains, that’s our trigger.
We’re saying Tag Manager, raise your hand when you see somebody on the Public Speaking page.
And here’s what I want you to do.
So we’re gonna call this ga for public speaking goals.
I like to call them goals, even though g4 calls them conversions just so that I remember, oh, that’s the thing.
We’re going to go to this to ga four tags, right? There’s the configuration, which is the base pixel, that you do once, and then you never touch it again.
And then there’s the events, this is effectively a goal.
We’re going to choose our ga for tag here, we’re going to call this public speaking goal.
Again, they’re not called goals anywhere.
But if you are trying to maintain sort of a lexicon is especially if you have Junior people on your team who may not have spent a whole lot of time working in in ga four, but they’re familiar with ga three, call it something intelligible.
Is there a value that goal goes with this goal? I’m going to call this let’s call it $25.
Right? Are there any user properties? I need to add? No, not at this time.
Anything else I need to do with the sequencing? No, not at this time.
I’m going to map this to my ga for public speaking trigger.
So now, could I add more than one trigger to terrorists? question, yes, if I wanted to fire this trigger on a bunch of different things.
In this case, I don’t in this case, I don’t want to know, I don’t, I only want one specific condition for this to match up to when hit save, actually, we’re going to copy this public speaking goal.
And then hit save.
And now we’re going to submit because otherwise, nothing ever happens.
And now we want to tell analytics.
Hey, listen for Tag Manager.
And when tag manager says something, here’s what we want you to do with it.
So I’m going to go to my conversions.
In gf, we’re going to create a new conversion event, and how to paste in the exact matching name from Google Tag Manager.
And now I’ve got this goal, effectively to conversion, it’s marked as a conversion already, you’ll note that you can set up just an event.
And then once it appears, you can flag it as a conversion.
I don’t trust that, I want to make sure that I’m declaring it upfront.
So I’m going to go ahead and make sure that that public speaking goals in place.
So now we’ve built this goal, we’ve set it up in Tag Manager, we’ve got our trigger, the condition we want it to listen in, and this, this is why Google has gone this way, there’s so much more flexibility with the kinds of things you can listen for, you can listen for link clicks, you can vote for some kinds of link clicks, you can listen for form submissions, whatever triggers you want that have support here, because there’s a whole bunch of different types you can support.
Java JavaScripts time on page, if you if that was a goal in the previous thing.
You can do all these things, how far down the page, somebody get on like, say a key landing page would be a cool trigger to listen for.
And then the tags that you have, of course, give you again, a lot of flexibility.
And you’re going to send data to different places, right.
So in my tags, I’ve got some Google Analytics, three goals in here, which here is marked with Universal Analytics.
And I’ve got a bunch of my Google Analytics for goals starting to be put into place as well.
So that’s how we, we do this.
It’s a lot more granular, right, it’s a lot more to keep track of.
If there’s more than one person working in a Google Analytics, for instance, in your Google Tag Manager instance, I would strongly suggest using things like workspace environments, to keep things straight, having policies and procedures, maybe even the spreadsheet to track what each tag does.
So that you know who put it in, and what they did with it, those are going to be really essential for keeping this a sensible, clean environment, you can see that this is just my account.
And there’s still a fair number of things in here, right? This is just my account, one person’s in here.
And it still can get a little bit messy.
So if you’ve got multiple people in there, you definitely want governance of some kind, maybe even having, you know, tags named, not just with what they do, but maybe who put them in, and maybe an expiration date to say like Yeah, when this after this date, remove this tag, or at least pause it so that you keep it clean.
Because your tag manager account as people switch to Google Analytics for your tag manager accounts gonna get a whole lot more busy because you can see for each individual goal and I’ve got to have a tag and a trigger to make it work well so it’s gonna get crowded in here.
So make sure you have good governance.
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Jakes asks, “With the switch to GA4 Source/Medium is becoming so much more important, can you recommend any resources that I can share with our advertising stakeholders to upscale them on the best use of of these parameters?”
This is a question of power and process. First, you have to have the organizational power to impose the change on stakeholders, which may require some time to build and a business case to be made. Second, you need a process to do it – even something as simple as a shared Google sheet.
Watch the video for a walkthrough.
You Ask, I Answer: Source/Medium Governance in Google Analytics?
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In today’s episode Jake asks with the switch to Google Analytics for source medium is becoming so much more important.
Can you recommend any resources I can share with our advertising stakeholders to upscale them on the best use of these parameters? So it’s good question.
Source medium absolutely is now the way we’re going to measure and do attribution channel groupings are gone, because as we discussed in yesterday’s episode, they’re mostly wrong most of the time.
So to make effective changes, we need two things, we need power and we need process.
First, you need to have the organizational power to impose a change on stakeholders, whether it’s vendors or partners, or the departments in your company.
And it’s gonna require some time to build, you’ll probably need to make a business case for it.
Now, with a vendor partner, that’s actually pretty easy to say, look, we’re going to be measuring via source medium, because that’s the way you’re the future, we’re going to be building attribution models from it, if you want credit, for the work that you’re doing.
If you want us to be able to reliably analyze your ROI, you need to get on board with our system.
And that’s generally a pretty easy case to make.
And that really the same is true for internal stakeholders as well to be able to say, Hey, we want you to get credit for the work that you’re doing.
Right? This this whole category in Google Analytics called direct, which means Google doesn’t know and you don’t want your work falling in the I don’t know a bucket, because we don’t know if it’s yours, you want credit for what you’re doing.
So that means making sure that you’re using tags, UTM tags, and that you’re using them properly.
The thing that people don’t understand is that they assume source medium or equivalent and their hierarchy, right medium is the broadest category, and it’s the one that people need to, to figure out sooner rather than later.
Source gives clarity to medium source explains medium.
And sometimes when you’re dealing with issues where there’s tracking problems, it’s just because people don’t know that they don’t know the importance of those two and how they relate to each other.
And that the medium is the least arbitrary of these these defined channels.
So that’s the first part is just getting everybody to understand that requires education, a lot of education.
Second, you need a process to do this to help manage this.
Because if you don’t, it will remain a free for all because people get stuck in their ways.
And the way we recommend this, it can be a super complex system, you could build a shiny web app, all this stuff or make a spreadsheet, right, a shared spreadsheet.
So let’s flip over here.
Take us real simple spreadsheet, and do some things like date, owner, maybe a campaign that it’s part of, and then a source and a medium.
Right.
And that’s the five big things Oh, and a URL, I would help, wouldn’t it.
And then final URL, and what you’re, what you’re gonna do is put together real simple formula.
That’s going to do things like equals concatenate.
We’re going to do the source URL with a question mark.
And then UTM source equals this.
And UTM.
Medium equals this, I get fancy.
And UTM.
campaign equals, and then this.
That’s the very, very simple version, right? You’re just gluing all this stuff together.
So if I put in today’s date, which is 1029 20, but my initials, I’ll call this you ask I answer the source.
In this case, I’m going to putting this on YouTube, the medium is going to be let’s do well, let’s do this.
Let’s make a list of mediums we want people to be using, right so we’re gonna do referral, organic display.
Let’s see the other sources that we want to use mediums that we want to use.
Let’s call those mediums Then we’re going to go here to this medium, we’re going to choose format, and we’re going to do data validation.
And I’m going to show a drop down from a range, choose our range.
And then reject input.
If you don’t use what’s in the drop down, save.
And now you kind of have to choose which one of these you’re going to be doing your work in.
Right? And that helps.
And then let’s put the URL here.
And then let’s fix my error.
I, where did I screw up? See, there we go.
And so what you see is, it’s glued together everything into one nice tracking code.
Now, this is a very straightforward thing to do.
And you can there’s, you can get super fancy when we’ve done this for clients, we’ve actually built a JavaScript on the back end that will control all sorts of stuff going on, you know, removing spaces, changing punctuation, making everything lowercase, etc.
But this is, this is the starting point.
And you share this with folks and say, Hey, everybody enter your stuff, right? So that it, it’s in one place.
That really helps.
Just something as simple as this really helps keep things clean.
Especially when you do stuff like with medium where you control it, you apply some control on it and say, okay, you’re not allowed to choose something’s not in the list.
If you need something that you know, and the list isn’t there, you can put it in.
But fundamentally, you got to stick with what’s in the list.
That’s how you apply some governance to this.
The hard part is getting people to do it.
And then making sure there’s a system in place that gives them the flexibility they need to get their work done, right.
You don’t want to be a bottleneck or stakeholder.
But is easy, right? And it still lets you go in and go wow, you know, if there’s an engineer, you know, Bob wrote something and just did it all wrong.
You can then diagnosis and reach out to Bob say, Bob, that that’s not what we talked about.
We need you to be doing this way instead.
And again, programmatically, you can control a lot behind the scenes to help clean things up.
If you again, if you wanted to build a web app, you certainly could.
But I don’t know that that’s necessary.
I think it’s a little bit overkill sometimes.
So that’s how we do this.
Like I said, it’s education.
Its process.
So be quiet.
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Reid asks, “are you saying that we should use properties in the same way we would use views in UA? And if so, does that mean a separate tag for each property in GTM?”
To understand the layout of Google Analytics 4 and where stuff has or has not gone, we have to understand the design philosophy. GA 4 looks at events done by users, so all the settings are centered around those. Views aren’t focused on either, so aren’t in the application; that’s something we now do in Google Data Studio.
Likewise, segments still exist, but they’re now in the Analysis hub and are limited to Google Analytics 4 only. If you want to replicate the segments functionality of GA 3, you’ll need to use event parameters and values, constructed in Tag Manager, to permanently tag that traffic as of this writing.
You Ask, I Answer: Views and Segments in Google Analytics 4?
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In today’s episode Reed asks, Are you saying that we should use properties in the same way we would use views and Universal Analytics? And if so, does that mean a separate tag for each property in Google Tag Manager, this is in reference to Google Analytics for.
So no.
To understand the layout of Google Analytics for and where stuff has or has not gone, we have to understand the design philosophy around it.
So Google Analytics for really just like Firebase Analytics, which if you’re familiar with Firebase, for app measurement, Google Analytics for is basically extending Firebase to the web.
It is a market contrast to the way that Google Analytics three, aka Universal Analytics function, which was still an offshoot of the really the old, urgent analytics software at Google acquired back in 2005, right, so Google Analytics four is not just a version change in software is a completely different piece of software.
It does not share the same code base, it does not share any of the, the the legacy stuff that has been with Universal Analytics really forever.
And so part of that is that we have to understand there’s a new hierarchy.
Let’s go ahead and flip over here.
So this is Google Analytics three, if you remember, you have sort of a hierarchy of the account, which is the logical organization, you have the property, which is a logical website.
And then you have the view, which is the logical division within your company, that would be looking at a Google Analytics data in a certain way.
When we look at Google Analytics for the and the admin, for that, we see a very different view of the world, right, we have the account, which is still the logical entity, we didn’t have the property, which is the logical collection of users, that’s really important.
And then within that, you think of things like data streams, which are individual pieces of data about groups of users.
Now, why this matters is that the view is administrative, right? There’s nothing here that is unique to the user that you would be doing user level stuff with.
Whereas in g4, they acknowledge that we’re saying, Yeah, there’s no view because all that admin stuff should be somewhere else.
It doesn’t belong in Google Analytics.
So let’s look at a few of these things and see, where did they go? goals? Pretty straightforward goals has become conversions.
Right? So if we go into analytics, here, we have our conversions.
And the conversions come from events, right? So we specify where you can either automatically detect many events, or build custom events, either in Google Tag Manager or in Google Analytics and denote them as conversions.
So that’s a user level thing.
And that’s now done in the main application.
We have things like content groupings, that’s administrative that does not exist here at all, that would be something that we would do in reporting, if we want to in Google Data Studio, and to some degree can be done in, in Google Analytics for by building comparisons, right? comparisons are kind of the in application ad hoc way to build what we used to call segments and a lot of ways, right, well, you can look at dimensions and metrics and and and group things together.
For for logical ad hoc analysis, we look at filters.
Filters are done at the data stream level now, and there are not many right now.
There are, I believe, honestly, like, IP filters, let’s take a look here.
I just have some measurement stuff, I believe you can.
I don’t remember where it is in here.
Oh, there is cross domain tracking.
So modify events, create events, configure domains, that’s where you do your cross domain stuff, and define internal traffic.
So you can do modification of tagging stuff within there.
You can also access some of the stuff through the API.
Channels don’t exist at all in Google Analytics for that the concept I guess, didn’t work out.
And understandably so when, if you’ve done any work with Google Analytics, three, you know, what a pain it is.
To get channels to function correctly with the default channel groupings have been such a hot mess for so long, because people are inconsistent about how they do source and medium tagging, right.
Anyone who’s worked with any agency any To have more than one, you know that the UTM tracking source, medium tracking is just a free for all.
And that makes it really difficult to do any kind of analysis because there’s no consistency, right? So half of the time, half your social traffic was miscategorized as referral traffic, and things like that.
So Google just got rid of it entirely.
Now you have these choices, medium source, source, medium combo campaign, and then a few other things here.
Which means that if you’re looking at things like source medium, this gives you an awful lot of data.
Now, is it as conveniently grouped together? No, not anymore.
But is it something that you can look at and see now logical clusterings? Yes, you can see, you know, Twitter and Facebook, LinkedIn, and so on, and so forth.
So channel groupings, kind of got ecommerce, ecommerce as a whole big bag of arms, there is there’s actually a great post by a CMO Ahava, that is like 40 pages long on all the differences between Google Tag Manager, Google Analytics three and Google Analytics four when it comes to setting up e commerce and how much of it has to be done within Google Tag Manager.
So if you have not read seamos blog, go to Sema hava.com.
And he’s got a huge amount of stuff on it.
calculated metrics, again, mostly administrative segments, were an administrative thing that still technically exists in Google Analytics for, you have to go into the analysis hub for them.
And inside the analysis hub, you can build segments, but they’re unique to Google Analytics, for as far as I know, I have not been able to replicate getting them into Google Data Studio.
So if you want to do for example, social media traffic, you can still put together the you know, these crazy regex is and build all your let’s see, all your traffic comparisons, let’s do a traffic comparison here.
Let’s put in our social media traffic as another segment.
And so you can still do that.
If you want to be able to pass the data from application to application meaning from Google Analytics to say Google Data Studio, that’s no longer the case, you used to be able to do that.
But now, if you look inside of Google Data Studio in the GA for connector there, you really have a couple of different things.
And it depends on how you use segments did you use segments to essentially be a type of filter, if so now, you just use the filters.
If you use as a logical group of users, you would now build that in Tag Manager with events and parameters or event parameters and values, and then pass those parameters and values to analytics and then to Data Studio so that you could create those analytical segments.
So it requires you to rethink how you use the segment and decide, is it just a filter? If so you can replicate it natively in Data Studio? Is it a logical grouping of users that you need to have cross platform cross application functionality that needs to be denoted in the event at the time the event is created.
So it’s a very different way of thinking about these things.
But what used to be in the view, is now in a bunch of different places, and a lot of that has been offloaded to other functions.
If you use views for logical groupings inside of your company, you don’t want to create new properties, that’s just a mess waiting to happen.
What you want to do is offload that segmentation of your internal use to Google Data Studio.
That’s where, you know, you create a dashboard for accounting, you create a dashboard for HR, you create a dashboard for the inbound marketing team, you create a dashboard for the PPC marketing team.
And that’s the logical way to handle what used to be digging into it and letting him have it every 40 people have access to Google Analytics, it’s really not intended for that anymore.
It’s now an analysis tool.
And Data Studio is the reporting tool.
A lot of people got used to using Google Analytics for reporting.
And that’s not its function anymore, at least from what I can tell.
Now, I also have no internal knowledge of how Google debated isn’t based on what we can see in the application.
So it’s a good question.
I would not set up more than one property for more than one distinct user base.
Instead, use the different features and use the the applications that are there to make those distinctions now, I’ve got follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.
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Brian asks, “When should a company really consider shifting over to Google Analytics 4?”
Interestingly, reports from Reddit say people setting up new properties are not given an option for GA 3 (aka Universal Analytics, it is available as an ‘advanced’ option) so we’re already seeing Google pushing hard for GA 4 adoption.
You should deploy it as soon as possible to begin collecting data in parallel with your existing Universal Analytics properties. You should also consider setting up a training property you can muck around with.
You should begin using it as the standard of measurement once you can replicate everything that mattered to you in GA 3. That will take some time as the configuration and setup to do so will take a little while. This also requires proficiency with Google Tag Manager and Google Data Studio.
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Christopher Penn 0:07 In today’s episode, Brian asks, When should a company really consider shifting over to Google Analytics for? That’s a really good question.
Because Initially, I was saying that, you know, give yourself a lot of time to get used to it and things like that.
But over on Reddit in the Reddit analytics subreddit, people are setting up new properties are not being given an option for ga three.
And agencies are saying clients, big clients are asking asking for asking to switch over.
I guess having heard of the the presumed benefits of Google Analytics for so we’re already seeing an adoption push for the technology for Google Analytics for and funnily enough, when I went over to my Google Analytics account here today, when I went to go here, and go to create a property, guess what it’s now Google Analytics for so anyone creating new Google Analytics accounts, is being shown this and getting set up by default in Google Analytics for which, if you watch other videos in this series, can present a bit of a challenge, right? If you’re not familiar with it, now, Google Analytics three, aka Universal Analytics is still available.
It’s under the advanced options here.
So you can also create an older legacy account as well.
But clearly, Google has decided that GTA four is what people should be using, there’s even an upgrade option here to convert a Universal Analytics account, do not do this.
Do not upgrade your universal account just yet.
Create a new property for GTA four and have them run in parallel for a little while.
And here’s why.
We’ve talked about this a bunch of times.
But the the measurement philosophy in Google Analytics is very different, very different from Google Analytics, three, in the sense that things are measured differently, configuration is done differently.
And if you’re not proficient in that philosophy, Google Tag Manager and Google Data Studio, then moving to Google Analytics, four could be a bit of a learning curve.
And by the a bit, I mean, a greased wall made of marble.
So when should you be doing this? When should you be making the leap? Well, you should be deploying Google Analytics for as soon as reasonably possible, given any challenges you have in your culture and an organization.
Because, as with everything with Google, nothing is retroactive.
So the sooner that you can deploy it and get it collecting data, the better.
Even if you don’t fully configure it, just get it out there and get it listening and gathering up information.
Right.
So that’s one.
And it should be done ideally, in parallel with your existing accounts.
Don’t touch that upgrade button, just don’t do it.
And you probably should also set up a training property as well, you’re allowed, you know, 80 or 100 properties per Google Analytics account.
So set up a Google Analytics for core account, and then label one your training ga four account and that can be the one that you mess around with and blow up and, and you’ll accidentally create all sorts of chaos on but have those two setup in parallel, it’s a good practice to get into is have a training ground.
If, as in this case, you’re not resource constrained, so that you have a place for you and your team to be experimenting, and nobody’s gonna feel bad like, Oh, dang, we just nuked all of our company’s data by accident.
That will necessitate because the property and operate to the property level that will necessitate duplicate tags and Tag Manager for your training in your Live account.
So just keep that in mind that you’re going to need those the duplicate sets of tags.
So that’s the deployment side.
The bigger question, the one I think you’re really getting at Ryan is you should begin using Google Analytics for as a standard of measurement as like this is the now the the system of record.
Once you can replicate everything in GA, for that matter to you in ga three.
This will take some time.
Because the configuration and the setup requires Tag Manager proficiency requires Data Studio proficiency requires organizational change behavior proficiency because you are talking about going around and interviewing stakeholders and saying, Hey, what did you use to use in ga three that was really important to you.
One of the most important things you can do if you’ve been using Google Data Studio for a while is embed a Google Analytics tracking tag in there to see just how you know how often are people using it right if people remember that it even exists.
If you’ve got a Christopher Penn 5:02 really important dashboard for marketing purposes, I would, I would suggest the one of the best practices there is have it be people’s homepage tab, right? When they open a new browser tab, boom, there’s their dashboard just pops up, that’s their starting page, they remember Oh, it exists.
certainly better than putting it up like in the lobby of an office and having it be on the big screen TV.
You know, back when we went to offices, having in someone’s browser makes it very apparent that oh, this, this is the important stuff.
So I would say, that’s when you should start using it as a standard of measurement.
Once you are getting the data.
And you feel confident that everything is set up, right.
And you’re you’ve been able to replicate all the, the custom values in the parameters and everything in ga for the use of rely on in ga three, that’s when you can say, Okay, now from this day forward, we are now at ga for shop.
You should also make sure that people go anyone on your analytics team goes through and takes the free course from Google the next generation of Google Analytics, for course, it’s it takes about an hour to get through it.
And you get a cute little award at the end.
But it helps make sure that everybody understands the differences between the systems and understands how, how they’re designed to work.
I don’t think personally, the course does a great job of explaining the measurement philosophy kind of have to figure that out yourself.
But at least it gets to the nuts and bolts of like, what used to be this is now this, for example used to be sessions and users and, and pages now all events up and down.
And you’ll see some other changes in the measurement philosophy too.
For example, channel groupings and are completely gone, Google has decided that the medium is effectively the new channel grouping.
So part of that standard of measurement.
What about when to switch over? And not is when you have really good governance around source medium control when you’re doing tagging and tracking? Because now more than ever, you need to have that be pristine? Because if people are I’ve seen ad agencies like do you know, social media is the source of Facebook as the medium like no, that’s totally backwards.
The medium is the broadest category of UTM tracking code, the source gives detail about the medium.
So a consideration for that standard of measurement is Is everyone on board with governance, about tracking codes, tags, and syntax and structure it all your partners on board with it, you know, agencies and contractors and software tools.
Because if everybody’s not on board, and you still got people just kind of doing their own thing in ga four, that means your data is going to be even more of a hot mess than it already is.
Because you now you don’t have the channel groupings.
To roll things up nicely.
You will want to for example, if you if people have come to rely on Channel groupings as a form of reporting, like you know, social and referral email, in Data Studio, you’ve got to build that yourself now to replicate it so that you have clear ideas of what you want to report on.
So these are a lot of the considerations that go into, you know, when are we ready to make the switch? replicating everything that’s important to you also means knowing what’s important to you.
So auditing your own reports would take a look at the reports you publish for your stakeholders every, you know, week, every month, every quarter, have you replicated all those things in ga for so that you can produce that report again? Because even if you yourself have made the transition to ga for and how it’s thinking chances are your stakeholders have not and they want to see something that looks more or less like an apples to apples to the previous report so that they can say hey, x went up this month.
So if you if you were reporting on sessions and now you know you’re looking at page visits, you’re gonna get a very different number.
Even though page visit is one of the the core events in ga four, so there’s a lot of not only what has become what but can we make it as close to Apples to Apples so that when people do comparisons, they know what they’re looking at.
And finally, from a process perspective, you know, making sure that you’ve got everything documented, as much as it sucks.
I don’t like it either.
But document everything in ga three accounts so that when you’re working in g4, you’ve got it all clear.
So there’s a lot to do, but that’s when you should switch when you can do all that stuff.
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Ivelina asks, “I can’t find anything in the new GA4. So what if you are not that good at reading raw data?”
You’re not alone. Many, many people are having trouble, and it’s because of the change in mindset about how Google Analytics 4 collects data. When you compare the two side by side, GA4 appears to be missing a lot more, and that’s because they’ve made the application a lot more flexible. The tradeoff is that understanding your configuration is now uniquely up to you. Be sure you’re using it for what it’s intended for: analysis, not reporting.
That’s the key mindshift to understand: Google Analytics is no longer a reporting tool. That’s Data Studio’s role.
You Ask, I Answer: Interpreting Google Analytics 4 Data?
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In today’s episode evalina asks, I can’t find anything new Google Analytics for.
So what if you are not that good at reading raw data? Yeah, so you’re not alone.
In this, many, many people are having trouble.
And it’s because of the change in mindset about how Google Analytics four collects data, and how it displays data.
Google Analytics, four has a very different philosophy about measurement and about the way it’s structured.
It is a lot more freeform.
The onus of configuration has been, in some ways put on the user.
Let me show you an example.
So let’s let’s switch over here.
So what we’re looking at here, this is Google Analytics, three data, right? This is in Google Data Studio.
And one of the things you’ll notice is that when you set up your first table, or whatever, in Google Analytics, three classic Google Analytics, you’re given all these different options for the different things that you can report on, right? There’s a lot of them, if you count through the API guide, there’s 510 different dimensions and metrics out of the box that you can report on.
And this gets to be a lot, right? There’s, there’s an awful lot of stuff here that, you know, granted, many people have spent a lot of time over the last 15 years learning.
But from a configuration perspective is not very flexible.
When you look at Google Analytics major competitor Omniture, from Adobe, it’s a lot more Adobe’s Omniture is more flexible in that it tries to get things like you know, goals to be more flexible and have more options.
And it’s really, it’s difficult to do that, in classic Google Analytics.
When you look at Google Analytics for and what comes out of the box, you’ll notice this list is a lot shorter, right? It is down to events, conversions, you know, sessions users some of the real basics.
So the question is, where did it all go? Where it all has gone, is, instead of Google saying, here’s all the things that you have available to you, Google saying, you decide what is available to you, you decide what you want, in your configuration, build it with Tag Manager, and then the things that are important to you put in here.
So for example, I put in just a value field, right, even though obviously, there’s an event value.
But I can add fields and parameters.
So in Google Tag Manager, I would go in and define if there’s something really weird or unique about the way I want to be tracking a type of conversion, maybe a parameter that isn’t included out of the box.
Now, I can go in, for example, to Google Tag Manager and just set it up and just run that conversion or that event with my thing or the thing that I care about.
whereas previously in the in the older version of Google Analytics, I couldn’t do that.
Right.
So let’s look at this example here.
If I go to newsletter, so I can edit this now at and instead of having to mess around with, you know, categories and actions and labels and all that stuff in in Google Analytics three, I can specify what parameters I want to track, is it a button, click sure I can put that in here.
Is it the day of the week? Sure, I can put that in here, too.
And so this philosophy is that Google has switched to in and Google Analytics for is that you decide what’s important to you.
You decide beyond the basics, that it sets up out of the box, if there are specific values that you want to have.
And then they appear as fields and parameters in in Data Studio in the back end, and you can report on them.
So for example, if you wanted, if you had a website where you had users who are logged in, and I was something that tag managers already set up to track, right? You could, in your goals, specify a logged in user.
Right, so it’s a lot more flexible in Google Analytics, three, you’d have to jump to all sorts of kinds of hoops just to make that work, but in Google Analytics for you and make that available parameter that would be trackable.
And then you could measure those conversions, the event of the conversions, and split it up between logged in user and not logged in user.
So that’s the trade off that Google Analytics for is trying to make is, Google has said your configuration is up to you.
Instead of trying to guess what everybody wants and making 510 values, many of which most of us aren’t going to use.
Google is said you decide what you want to use, you program it into Tag Manager and will display it.
That’s one of the reasons why they can now offer BigQuery the database to everyone who’s using Google Analytics for account because there’s a pretty good chance that most of us are not going to try and replicate all 510 of the old fields right into into this.
And so the data storage footprint is going to be a much smaller for Google Analytics for in the beginning.
As you add more customizations, as you add more stuff, it will get bigger.
Now to the question of, you can’t find anything? Yeah, there’s, again, what comes out of the box is not designed for the end user, the business end user in Google Alex for it’s designed for someone who is an actual analyst.
So if we go into my ga four view here, Google Analytics four is an actual analytics engine, in the sense that there’s a few canned reports.
So acquisition is pretty straightforward.
Where’d my stuff come from, right users traffic engagement is pretty straightforward.
What got people stick around.
So this is the pages.
And then these are all the events that you could be sending.
Again, everything is at the event level in Google Analytics for so you get the standard ones here, but you can program and more you can program in return users, right, it’s not necessarily included out of the box, you can program in logged in users, you can program in users who have been on more than five pages, highly engaged users, any event that you could think of that fits within the event model, you can program in here, and then you can report on it.
monetization is pretty straightforward.
e commerce, I think it’s actually easier now for folks than it is in in ga three and that there’s less to turn on.
It’s a lot of e commerce stuff is baked right in.
And as long as your e commerce vendor is using a sensible structure and or an approved Google structure from ga three, it’s going to show up automatically in ga four.
So that is equally pretty straightforward.
And then retention.
You know, how did you keep your users is all pretty straightforward stuff.
But again, this is an analysis engine.
So you can see at any point in the application, you can add in more stuff, you can remove stuff.
And then if you go into the analysis hub, you can actually find individual templates.
This is where some of the more traditional reports from Google Analytics, three are now showing up.
So you can start to look at specific use cases and have these essentially, pre built reports brought into ga four.
But ga four is not where you’re supposed to be doing.
Your reporting.
So as you’re doing your analysis here, you do detective work here, and then you report in Data Studio.
So the big question that you have to tackle with Google Analytics for is, if you can’t find something, is it because g4 is has removed it or because ga four is now no longer the place to be doing that.
If you’ve got a canned report that you use a lot in ga three, there’s a very good chance that the intent is that you replicate it as a dashboard in Data Studio and ga four.
And that’s where you do that you look for those canned reports, because analysis is different than reporting.
analysis is figuring out what happened.
And then Data Studio and reporting is telling somebody else what happened and letting them have a consolidated view of that so that they don’t have to repeat the in the analysis process.
And that’s going to be a big, big head shift for a lot of folks is they’re used to ga being a reporting tool.
And it’s now an analysis tool.
So that means you’ve got to get really comfortable with Data Studio and start working with data, even with ga three, your existing Google Analytics account and get used to working with Data Studio get used to building reports that fit your needs.
And it will make working with Google Analytics for a lot easier.
Because you won’t have to be trying to force this interface to do things that it no longer does.
Instead, look at your ga three account and say okay, how can I take this report that I’m very familiar with and replicate it in ga four? tall order? If you have follow up questions about leaving the comments box below, subscribe to the YouTube channel on the newsletter.
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Tristan asks, “How are you getting on with the new Google Analytics 4 interface and data collection?”
Google Analytics 4 represents a sea change in how Google thinks of its marketing platform. Instead of an all-in-one application, it’s now part of a suite of 3 major pieces that every marketer will need to consider.
Google Tag Manager: tracking and configuration
Google Analytics: analysis engine
Google Data Studio: visualization and reporting engine
Some notable changes:
– Goals are gone.
– Scopes are gone.
– Channel groupings are gone.
– Segments are gone.
You Ask, I Answer: First Impressions of Google Analytics 4?
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In today’s episode, Tristan asks, How are you getting on with the new Google Analytics for interface and data collection? Yeah, Google Analytics for is a major sea change for marketers for all of us in how we use the application.
And it represents a sea change in how Google thinks of its own marketing platform.
You know, traditional Google Analytics, the classic version, which really has been functionally similar.
For the last 15 years, since they bought it from urchin in 2005.
It, it’s always been kind of all in one application where you drop the tracking code, and then you do everything in Google Analytics, and, and you get your reports and stuff.
And that’s the way people have been used to using this thing.
Now, the new version really represents a more mature philosophy about analytics and about analytics infrastructure, it is going to cause some people some pretty significant changes in how they do, how they do their analytics, how they think about the analytics.
So let’s um, let’s go ahead and and flip over here.
So if you have not seen that already, this is what Google Analytics for looks like.
And at first glance, it looks okay.
It kind of see how it looks like Google Analytics, you see some of the very basics, but you’ll notice right away, particularly when you go into things like the admin here, some major changes, they used to be things called accounts, properties and views.
Views are gone, right? Which makes you go, where do I put my goals? Those are gone to, there’s there are different ways Google is handling this now.
You see, from a philosophical perspective, you see now that Google Analytics really is a true analysis engine even has an analysis hub here where you can do ad hoc analysis, if you do true slice and dice, let’s look at your data and see all the different ways that you can analyze it to try and understand what happened.
So that raises the question, Where are your reports? Many of them, again, are gone, there’s a there’s a slimmer view in here.
And the way that we track things has substantially changed.
Let’s go ahead and look here at user acquisition real quick, how do I get users to my website, you’ll notice channel groupings are gone.
Right, so the, you know, organic, social email, all that’s gone is now source medium, or just medium, depending on what you want to use.
This is a big change, because for years, we’ve used channel groupings, sort of classify traffic, and now medium, obviously, has been channel for a really long time anyway.
But this is going to be a big problem.
For some folks, if you don’t have good governance, if you don’t have really solid, logical ways of laying out your source medium, like the medium is, is effectively a channel.
So as you’re doing your tracking codes, your UTM tracking codes, once you implement ga four, you’re really gonna have to make sure that they’re logical, they’re sensible, and that they and that you and your vendors all agree on what those should be.
Because if you don’t, you’re gonna have a hot mess in here.
The other big thing, and this is really, a, I think probably the biggest change for everybody is that the scopes are gone.
So previously, there were four scopes in Google Analytics and different metrics.
Within each of them.
There was users, there were hits, there were sessions and their products, right, those are the four major scopes.
And there are some things like for example, bounce rate was a page level, scope, hit level, whereas say, you know, retention, was a user level scope, and you couldn’t mix and match the two, it just didn’t work, because they were they were different measures.
And now, everything is events, everything from from the littlest interaction all the way up to the biggest measurement is all based on events.
And what this means is that we have to radically rethink how we do our analysis, right? Everything from you know, how you do our tracking codes to even your goals, like, for example, and here there are all these different events.
And you can mark some of them as conversions.
If you know what they are.
One of the big things that you’re going to have to do right off the bat when you switch over and go to Google Analytics for is go into, for example, your Google Tag Manager, which is where you’re going to be doing all of your goal setting goal configuration and go through and actually rebuild your goals as as events.
You have to specify like what these things are and you know, Tag Manager is is going to be a place that you do that.
So events are the new way of thinking about every interaction with a user.
And that’s a good in a lot of ways, because now you get rid of all the Oh, you can’t have this bounce rate.
If you’re looking at users.
Now it’s all events top to bottom.
One of the other big changes that’s gonna is super important for data nerds is that Google Analytics now out of the box integrates with Google’s BigQuery database, they can link it up to a table, and then in your BigQuery database, you can see all of the data that you get out of Google Analytics, let’s make this a little bit bigger here at an individual hit level, which is pretty amazing.
And you can see what types all different types of in session starts pageviews.
Any of the events, you configure user engagements, and each one of these has things like source and medium campaign, all this really good data that we’ve been, frankly, craving forever, right? If you have great database skills, this is a goldmine.
This is where you’re now going to be able to build amazing attribution analyses, amazing reports of every kind.
And that brings me to like the last thought on this, this change now means that Google Analytics is no longer an all in one application, it is one of three pieces.
So Tag Manager, a lot of the things he used to do in Google Analytics you now do in Tag Manager.
So it is sort of the the tracking and configuration component of the marketing platform, Google Marketing Platform.
Google Analytics now actually lives up to its name, it is the analysis engine that takes that raw data coming from Tag Manager slices and dices it, man prepares it for analysis.
And there are analysis tools, real business intelligence tools in here.
What’s not in here is a lot of canned reports, there’s very, very few canned reports.
Instead, there’s the analysis hub.
And it is up to you as the user to kind of go in here and build these reports, if you know what you’re looking for it to do the ad hoc analysis.
And you’ll note that a lot of these really are deep dives into into your data.
What’s not in here, the simple reports, right, so where do they go? That’s all Data Studio.
Google intends for Data Studio to be the visualization and reporting engine to take all the data that you’ve analyzed, and slice and dice in Google Analytics, and pass it to Data Studio.
So you can do your visualizations there.
And again, because everything is now at the event level, we see that the raw data, you’ll do things like segments and filtering and stuff within Data Studio, and not in Google Analytics.
Because again, with the view gone, there is no more there are no more segments, that’s that’s gone.
Now, it is all that’s all handled in the your visualization and reporting engine, which is Google Data Studio.
So this is a big change.
The good news is you don’t have to switch over right away.
And there’s not even big and been given a timeline as to when they’re going to sunset classic Google Analytics.
So if you’re just trying to get stuff done, stick with classic.
If you want access to the good stuff in terms of raw data, in terms of, you know, database level stuff, and the new analysis engine, it’s turn on Google Analytics for I recommend that everybody turn it on, get the basics of tagging and tracking set up so that you have the data because one thing that hasn’t changed, nothing with Google is ever retroactive, you can’t go back in time.
So get the get it configured, get your goal setup, get it deployed.
And then don’t worry about it if you can’t make use of it right, just so that you’re getting the data in the system and you’re tracking it.
And then you can always come back later and tune things up, especially since it’s now an analysis engine, which means that if you’ve got the data, you’ll be able to slice and dice it all kinds of different ways to do that.
If you got questions on that, or you need help with that, let me know, if you go to Trust insights.ai my company’s website you can ask for some help there.
Man, this free slack group have to TrustInsights.ai dot AI slash analytics for marketers.
But yeah, there’s a ton of new stuff that’s going on with Google Analytics for I recommend that you get your feet wet, and at least get familiar with it and all the big changes and then go from there.
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Nancy asks, “If you’re selling something highly technical e.g., carbon fiber to replace traditional aluminum for fabricating airplane seats, would branded search be helpful e.g., assuming there are brand name aluminum makers who target the aerospace?”
It depends on the behavior of your buyers. One of the most important, easiest things to do is configure Google Analytics to separate out branded and unbranded search as separate channels so you can better see how different types of search perform. Once you have that set up, you should be able to determine the importance of branded search to your business.
You Ask, I Answer: Branded Search for Niche Industries?
What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for watching the video.
In today’s episode, Nancy asks if you’re selling something highly technical eg carbon fiber to replace traditional aluminum for fabricating airplane seats, that’s very specific.
Would branded search be helpful assuming there are brand name alumina makers who target the aerospace? So it depends on the industry.
And it depends on the behavior of your buyers.
There are some industries where there’s very little digital interactivity at all, right? Where everything is done based on a few suppliers.
Everybody knows who the suppliers are.
And there’s a system like arriva for example, where all the RFPs are managed and search may not be a part of that at all.
In other industries, absolutely.
If there’s no more than a handful of vendors and people are looking for the company, buy in I mean, but number one, the number one terms people Google for is Google.
Don’t know why.
So the answer to this question is that you have to set up your analytics to understand the behavior of your existing buyers first.
And then once you have that information, you can make a judgement about how important branded organic searches here’s the cash out of the box.
Google Analytics, in no way supports branded search unintelligible fashion to do analysis on it.
There is a built in feature where you can define branded terms in Google Analytics, but the channel groupings and stuff are not configured for that.
So that’s step one is you have to reconfigure Google Analytics to support that.
Without it, you’re kind of flying blind.
Once you have that set up, then you can start looking at the importance of branded organic search and branded paid search on your business because what you can do is Once you have that defined as a channel grouping, you can then start to do things like customer journey mapping or page level conversion analysis with that as a defined channel in Google Analytics and say, I want to see just how brand organic search drives conversions for this goal or this goal or this goal.
And then you can make the determination How important is it to us? Now, one of the other things to keep in mind is that you may have a blind spot because you may not be very good at branded or unbranded organic search.
In that instance, the thing to do to essentially to validate your findings is to run a survey either a formal one or just pick up the phone and call 10 of the leading companies in your industry that buy from you, your your, your customers, or potential customers and say hey, not trying to sell you I just want to know when you go out to bid for, you know, AIRPLANE SEAT materials, how do you do it? Do a focus group, do a one on one, interviews, whatever it takes to get the information from the kinds of companies you want to do business with and say, Hey, you know, I just want to know how you how you make that determination.
What’s the process of travel if you’re willing to share it? I’ll give you $100 amazon gift card for your time or something.
That qualitative information will give you some useful insights on the behavior of your buyers and how they think about buying because again, you may be a sector where is a good old boys network right and the all the supplier decisions may be made on a golf course.
There are industries like that where there is no amount of branded search that will have any impact Because all the deals being made over beers, the ninth hole, right? where most people drink after the 18th hole, but anyway, that may be the way that decisions are made in your industry.
And if you don’t know that, then you may focus heavily on the digital analytics, and not pay enough attention to what’s happening in the industry overall, the only way you find that out is through those interviews.
If you can’t get 10 prospective customers on the line, then call 10 of your actual customers actually should probably call 10 your actual customers anyway and say, Hey, when you were searching for us, how did you find us? Right? Again, you want to try and make sure that you’re sampling from your broad customer, potential customer base as a whole because the people who are already customers, there’s kind of a bias built into your company, and they may be blind spots in that that you can’t see without having the perspective of those people who have not bought from you yet.
Just please don’t try and sell them anything on the phone, you’re there just to gather information.
And if they want information about your company say great after the call, let me connect you with a salesperson.
But right now I’m just trying to do the job of understanding the buyer behavior, people tend to respect them.
So that’s the approach I would take is set up your digital marketing analytics, your Google Analytics or the system of your choice, specifically for branded organic search.
And then separately, run market research to ascertain the buyer behaviors.
Those two things in concert will tell you an awful lot about how people are making decisions in your industry.
And if there are there may be what you may end up doing is depending on how your intake forms go, when your sales process goes and things like that, you may end up having two sets of data that That could be conflicting, especially if you do the the 10 existing customer surveys and then you have your web analytics.
In that case, depending on how good your CRM is, and I hope it’s really good.
You may end up having to do what’s called propensity scoring, where you look at people who have bought and did not do random organic search and people who have bought and did do branded organic search, and essentially do a propensity score model on those two things to figure out what is the treatment impact of branded organic search on your customer pool.
The challenge with that is that your customer, your CRM has to be really good.
So good, that it can separate out and and essentially pulling like assisted conversion data and last touch a lot of CRMs are stuck on last touch attribution.
It’s a terrible attribution model.
And if you were to attempt to do that propensity scoring with Alaska, You’re going to get garbage.
You have to have the assisted conversions in there.
And so your CRM has to be set up for that.
Very, very few.
I’ve actually think I don’t think any out of the box have set up to do that.
It’s a pain in the butt to do it.
For sure, Salesforce comm can be made do it unhappily.
I think Hubspot can be made to do it.
But it’s not you won’t be able to use any of their built in reporting for it.
You have to do it as a custom field.
Yeah, it’s a pain.
But it can be done and if you want to be able to ascertain the impact of any channel on customers, that would be the way to do it.
So really good question.
The answer is not as clear cut as you might think.
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I had a chance to sit down with Jason Falls to chat about analytics, data science, and AI. Catch up with us over 35 minutes as we talk about what goes wrong with influencer marketing, why marketers should be cautious with AI, and the top mistake everyone makes with Google Analytics.
Guest Appearance on Digging Deeper With Jason Falls
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Jason Falls
Alright, enough of me babbling. Christopher Penn is here he might be one of the more recognizable voices in the digital marketing world because he and his pal, John Wall are the two you hear on the marketing over coffee podcast. I think that’s in its 14th year. Chris was also one of the cofounders of PodCamp way back before podcasting new wave, which by the way, is actually in its second wave, major wave anyway. He’s also known far and wide for being an analytics and data science guru. I’ve had the pleasure of knowing and working with Chris a number of times over the years and it’s always fun to chat because I come out feeling both overwhelmed with with how much more he knows than me, but also a lot smarter for the experience, Chris, good morning. How are you?
Christopher Penn
I get you know, I’m I’m fine. No one I know is currently in the hospital or morgue. So it’s all good. That’s great.
Jason Falls
So I want to bring people up to speed on how you got to be the analytics ninja you are we can save that real ninja thing for another time. Because for those of you don’t know he is an actual ninja. It’s not just something I throw out there like he’s trained or something I don’t know. But it’s all we’re here to talk about. So, you got your start though in the digital marketing world, I think in the education space, right. Give us that backstory.
Christopher Penn
Yeah, very briefly, education financial services. I joined a start up in 2003, where I was the CIO, the CTO and the guy who cleaned the restroom on Fridays. It was a student loan company and my first foray into digital marketing I was I came in as a technologist to run the web server for an email server and update the website update the web server became update the website you know, fix the email server became send the email newsletter and over the span of seven I basically made the transition into what we now call marketing technology was it had no name back then. And part of that was obviously reporting on what we did, you know, those who have a lot more gray in their hair. Were in the space at the time remember a tool called AWS stats where you had to, you had to manually pull logs from the server and, and render to terrible looking charts. But all that changed in 2005, when a company called Google bought a company called urgent and then rebranded and gave it away as a tool called Google Analytics. And that was the beginning of my analytics journey and has been pretty much doing that ever since in some form, or fashion, because everybody likes to know the results of their work.
Jason Falls
So take me a little bit further back than that though. You entered this startup in 2003, as you know, technologist, but take me back to like, Where did you get your love for analytics data computers, because you and I grew up at roughly about the same time and I didn’t really have access To a lot of computer technology until I was at least probably junior high. So there had to have been some moment in your childhood where you were like,
Ooh, I like doing that what or to come from?
Christopher Penn
That would be when I was seven years old, our family got one of the apple two plus computers that horrendous Bayesian like chocolate brown computer, you know, the super clicky keyboard and the screen screen, two colors black and green. And as of that point, when I realized I really like these things, and more importantly, I could make them do what I wanted them to do.
Jason Falls
So it’s all about control, right?
Christopher Penn
It really is. You know, I was a small kid in school, I got picked on a lot, but I found that information gave me control over myself and more importantly, gave me control over other people. When I was in seventh grade, our school got an apple, two GS in the computer lab, one of many, and the school’s database was actually stored on one of those little three and a half inch floppies. So I at recess one day I went to the lab made a copy of it. took it home because I had the same computer at home. And that was a complete record of 300 students, their grades, their social security number, their medical history, everything because nobody thought of cybersecurity back then, like who in the hell would want this information to begin with? Well, it turns out a curious seventh grader, and just be able to understand that this is what a database is, this is what it does. These are all the threads, I call them that that make up the tapestry of your life. You see them very early on, they just keep showing up over and over again. You know, whenever I talk to younger folks these days and say, like I don’t want I want to do for for my career, like look back at your past, there are threads that are common throughout your history. If you find them, if you look through them, you’ll probably get a sense of what it is that you are meant to be doing.
Jason Falls
So cybersecurity is your fault that we’ve learned. And so I take it you would probably credit maybe your parents for keeping you from taking that data and like stealing everyone’s identity. And, you know, being being a criminal or not. Right?
Christopher Penn
Well, so again, back then, it was so new that nobody thought, Oh, how can you misuse this data, there really wasn’t an application for it right? Back then there was no internet that was publicly accessible. So it’s not like a contact, you know, Vladimir, the Russian identity broker and sell them off for seven bucks apiece. You couldn’t do that back then. So it was more just a curiosity. Now, you know, kids growing up today are like, in a much different world than than we were where that information is even more readily available, but it also has much greater consequences.
Jason Falls
All right, I’m gonna jump over to the comments already because our friend hustling main has jumped in with a good one. Right off the bat. What are but what is his animal what’s what are people’s biggest analytics mistake Google Analytics or other? What should everyone do to set up at a minimum analytics wise is Google Analytics where you start or How would you advise someone who doesn’t know anything about analytics to set up? And what a mistake do people most often make with analytics?
Christopher Penn
The one they most often make is they start data puking. That’s something that Avinash Kaushik says a lot, but I love the expression and it is you get in Google Analytics there are and I counted 510 different dimensions and metrics, you have access to four for the average business, you’re probably going to need five of them, you know, that there’s like three to five you should really pay attention to and they’re different per business. So the number one thing that people do wrong, and that is the starting point, I was talking with my partner and co founder, Katie robear, about this yesterday. Take a sheet of paper, right? You don’t need anything fancy. What are the business goals and measures you care about? And you start writing them from the bottom of the operations follow to the top? And then you ask yourself, well, checkbox. Can I measure this in Google Analytics? Yes or no? So like for a b2b company sales, can I measure that analytics? No, you can’t. Can I measure opportunities? deals? Probably not. No. Can I measure leads? Yes. Okay. Great. That’s where you’re going. analytics journey starts because the first thing you can measure is what goes in Google Analytics. And then you know, you fill in the blanks for the for the rest. If you do that, then it brings incredible clarity to this is what is actually important. That’s what you should be measuring, as opposed to here’s just a bunch of data. When you look at the average dashboard that like that, like, you know, every marketing and PR and ad agency puts together, they throw a bunch of crap on there. It’s like, oh, here’s all these things and impressions and hits and engagements like Yeah, but what does that have to do with like, something that I can take to the bank or get close to taking into the bank? If you focus on the the your operations funnel and figure out where do I map this to, then your dashboards have a lot more meaning? And by the way, it’s a heck of a lot easier to explain it to a stakeholder, when you say you generated 40% more leads this month, rather than get 500 new impressions and 48 new followers on Twitter and 15% engagement and they’re like, what does that mean? But they go I know what leads are? Yep,
Jason Falls
that’s true. And just to clarify, folks To translate here, probably the smartest man in the world just gave you advice that I always give people, which is keep it simple, stupid. Like, yeah, drill it down. And I say keep it simple, stupid so that I understand it. That’s that’s my goal and saying that phrase. But if you boil it down to the three or four things that matter, well, that’s what matters.
Christopher Penn
Yeah. Now, if you want to get fancy,
Unknown Speaker
Oh, here we go.
Christopher Penn
Exactly. If you want to get fancy, you don’t have to necessarily do that. There are tools and software that will take all the data that you have, assuming that it’s in an orderly format, and run that analysis for you. Because sometimes you’ll get I hate the word because it’s so overused, but you will, it does actually, there are synergies within your data. There are things that combined together have a greater impact than individually apart. The example I usually give is like if you take your email open rates and your social media engagement rates, you may find that those things together may generate a better lead generation rate. Then either one alone, you can’t see that you and I cannot see that in the data. It’s just, you know that much data that much math, it’s not that something our brains can do. But software can do that particularly. There’s one package I love using called IBM Watson Studio. And in there, there’s a tool called auto AI, and you give it your data, and it does its best to basically build you a model saying, This is what we think are the things that go together best. It’s kind of like, you know, cooking ingredients, like it automatically figures out what combination of ingredients go best together. And when you have that, then suddenly your dashboards start to really change because you’re like, Okay, we need to keep an eye on these, even though this may not be an intuitive number, because it’s a major participant and that number you do care about.
Unknown Speaker
Very nice.
Jason Falls
One of the many awesome things about that the marketing world not just me, but the marketing world loves about you is how willing you are to answer people’s questions. In fact, that’s basically your blog. Now your whole series of you ask I answer is almost all of what you post these days, but it’s really simple to do that. You have an area of expertise, right? People ask you questions, your answers are great blog content. Has anyone ever stumped you?
Christopher Penn
Oh, yeah, people stopped me all the time. People stopped me because they have questions that where there isn’t nearly enough data to answer the question well, or there’s a problem that is challenging. I feel like you know, what, I don’t actually know how to solve that particular problem. Or it’s an area where there’s so much specialization that I don’t know enough. So one area that, for example, I know not nearly enough about is the intricacies of Facebook advertising, right. There are so many tips and tricks, I was chatting with my friend and hopeless you who runs social Squibb, which is a Facebook ads agency, and I have a saint, right, like, I’m running this campaign. I’m just not seeing the results. Like, can you take a look at it, we barter back and forth. Every now and again. I’ll help her with like tag management analytics, and she’ll help me with Facebook ads, she opens a campaign looks it goes, Well, that’s wrong. That’s wrong. That’s wrong. fix these things. Turn this up, turn that off. Like Two minutes later, the campaign is running the next day later, it has a some of the best results I’ve ever gotten on Facebook. I did not know that I was completely stumped by the software itself. But the really smart people in business and in the world, have a guild advisory councils, a close knit group of friends something with different expertise, so that every time you need, like, I need somebody who’s creative, I’ll go to this person, I need somebody who knows Facebook as I’ll go to this person. If you don’t have that, make that one of the things you do this year, particularly now, this time of year, where you’re sitting at home in a pandemic. Hopefully, you’re wearing a mask when you’re not. And you have the opportunity to network with and reach out to people that you might not have access to otherwise, right because everyone used to be like in conference rooms and it means all day long. And now we’re all just kind of hanging out on video chat going out why don’t go do with it. That’s a great opportunity to network and get to know people in a way that is much lower pressure, especially for people who, you know, were crunched on time, they can fit 15 minutes in for a zoom call, you might be able to build a relationship that really is mutually beneficial.
Jason Falls
The biggest takeaway from this show today, folks, we’ll be Crispin gets stumped. Okay? I don’t feel so bad. So that’s,
Christopher Penn
that’s, that’s good. If you’re not stumped, you’re doing it wrong. That’s a good point. If you’re not stumped, you’re not learning. I am stumped. Every single day, I was working on a piece of client code just before we signed on here. And I’m going I don’t know what the hell is wrong with this thing. But there’s something erroring out, you know, like in line 700 of the code. I gotta go fix that later. But it’s good. It’s good because it tells me that I am not bored and that I have not stagnated. If you are not stumped, you are stagnated and your career is in trouble.
Jason Falls
There you go. So you are the person that I typically turn to to ask measurement analytics questions. So you You’re You’re my guild council member of that. And so I want to turn around a scenario, something that I would probably laugh at you, for other people as a hypothetical here, just so that they can sort of apply. here’s, here’s, you know, what Crispin thinks about this, or this is a way that he would approach this problem. And I don’t know that you’ve ever solved this problem, but I’m going to throw it out there anyway, and try to stump you maybe a little bit here on the show. So on on this show, we try to zero in on creativity, but advertising creative, whether campaigns or individual elements are kind of vague, or at least speculative in terms of judging which creative is, let’s say, more impactful or more successful. And the reason I say that is you have images, you have videos, you have graphics, you have copy, a lot of different factors go into it, but you also have distribution placement, targeting all these other factors that are outside of the creative itself, that affect performance. So so much goes into a campaign campaign being successful. I think it’s hard to judge the creative itself. So if I were to challenge you to help cornet or any other agency or any other marketer out there that has creative content, images, videos, graphics, copy, whatever. So, put some analytics or data in place to maybe compare and contrast creative, not execution, just the creative. Where would you start with that?
Christopher Penn
You can’t just do couplet because it literally is all the same thing. If you think back to Bob stones, 1968 direct marketing framework, right? lists offer creative in that order. The things that mattered you have the right list is already in our modern times the right audience. Do you have the right offer that appeals to that audience right if we have a bourbon, bourbon crowd, right, a bourbon audience, and then my offer is for light beer. That’s not going to go real well? Well, depending on the light beer, I guess, but if it’s, you know, it’s something that I really had to swear in this show are now Sure. In 1976 Monty Python joke American beers like sex of the canoe, it’s fucking close to water. You have that compared to the list, and you know, that’s gonna be a mismatch, right? So those two things are important. And then the creative. The question is, what are the attributes that you have is that was the type, what is what’s in it, when it comes to imagery that things like colors and shapes and stuff. And you’re going to build out essentially a really big table of all this information, flight dates, day of week, hour of day. And then you have at the right hand side, the response column, which is like the performance. Again, the same process use with Google Analytics you would use with this, assuming you can get all the data, you stick it into a machine like, you know, IBM Watson Studio, and say, You tell me what combination of variables leads to the response, the highest level of response, and you’re gonna need a lot of data to do this. The machines will do that. And then will spit back the answer and then you have to look at it and and and prove it and make sure that it came up with something unintelligible. But once you do, you’ll see which attributes from the creative side actually matter what Animation, did it feature a person? What color scheme was it again, there’s all this metadata that goes with every creative, that you have to essentially tease out and put into this analysis. But that’s how you would start to pick away at that. And then once you have that, essentially, it’s a regression analysis. So you have a correlation, it is then time to test it, because you cannot say, for sure, that is the thing until you that’s it it says, ads that are that are read in tone and feature two people drinking seem to have the highest combination of variables. So now you create a test group of just you know, ads of two people drinking and you see does that outperform? You know, and ads have a picture of a plant and you know, two dogs and a cat and chicken and see, is that actually the case? And if you do that and you prove you know, with its statistical significance, yep. To an attitude people drinking is the thing. Now you have evidence that you’ve done this. It’s the scientific method. It’s the same thing that we’ve been doing for you. It was asking For millennia, it’s just now we have machines to assist us with a lot of the data crunching.
Jason Falls
Okay. So when you’re narrowing in on statistical significance to say, Okay, this type of ad works better. And this is a mistake I think a lot of people make is they’ll do you know, some light testing, so maybe split testing, if you will. And then they’ll say, Okay, this one performs better. Let’s put all of our eggs in that basket. I wonder where your breaking point is for statistical significance, because if I’ve got, let’s say, five different types of creative, and I do as many A B tests as I need to do to figure out which one performs better, I’ve always been of the opinion, you don’t necessarily put all your eggs in one basket. Because just because this performs better than this doesn’t mean that this is irrelevant. It doesn’t mean that this is ineffective, it just means this one performs better. And maybe this one performs better with other subgroups or whatever. So what’s your Cygnus statistical significance tipping point to say? All eggs go in one basket versus not
Christopher Penn
Well, you raise a good point. That’s something that our friend and colleague Tom Webster over Edison research says, which is if you do an A B split test and you get a 6040 test, right? You run into what he calls the optimization trap where you continually optimize for smaller and smaller audiences until you make one person deliriously happy and everyone else hates you. When in reality, version, a goes to 60% of slides and version beats goes to 40% of the audience. If you throw away version B, you’re essentially pissing off 40% of your audience, right? You’re saying that group of people doesn’t matter. And no one thinks Tom says this, would you willingly throw away 40% of your revenue? Probably not. In terms of like AB statistical testing, I mean, there’s any number of ways you can do that. And the most common is like p values, you know, testing p values to see like is the p value below 0.05 or below, but it’s no longer a choice you necessarily need to make depending on how sophisticated your marketing technology is. If you have the ability to segment your audience to two Three, four or five pieces and deliver content that’s appropriate for each of those audiences, then why throw them away? Give the audience in each segment what it is they want, and you will make them much happier. Malcolm Gladwell had a great piece on this back in, I think it was the tipping point when he was talking about coffee, like you, and this isn’t his TED Talk to which you can watch on YouTube, is he said, If you know if you ask people what they want for coffee, everyone says dark, rich, hearty roast, but he said about 30% of people want milky week coffee. And if you make a coffee for them, the satisfaction scores go through the roof and people are deliriously happy, even though they’re saying the opposite of what they actually want. So in this testing scenario, why make them drink coffee that they actually wouldn’t want? Why not give them the option if it’s a large enough audience and that is a constraint on manpower and resources?
Jason Falls
Now, you talked about Tom Webster who is at Edison research and doesn’t A lot of polling and surveying as a part of what he does, I know you have a tendency to deal more with the ones and zeros versus the, you know, the human being element of whatnot. But I want to get your perspective on this. I got in a really heated argument one time with a CEO, which I know not smart on my part. But about the efficiency in sample sizes, especially for human surveys and focus groups, he was throwing research at me that was done with like, less than 50 people like a survey of less than 50 people. I’ve never been comfortable with anything less than probably 200 or so to account for any number of factors, including diversity of all sorts, randomness, and so on. If you’re looking at a data set of survey data, which I know you typically look at, you know, millions and millions of lines of data at a time, so we’re not talking about that kind of volume. But if you were designing a survey or a data set for someone, what’s too little of a sample size for you to think, Okay, this is this is going to be relevant. It depends. It depends on the population size you’re serving. So if you’re serving if you got a survey of 50 people, right You’re surveying the top 50 CMOS, guess what, you need only 50 people, right?
Christopher Penn
You don’t really need a whole lot more than that because you’ve literally got 100% of the data of the top 50 CMOS. There are actual calculators online, you’ll find all over the place called your sample size calculators and is always dependent on the population size and how well the population is is mixed. Again, referring to our friend Tom, he likes to do talks about you know, soup, right, if you have a, a tomato soup, and it’s stirred Well, you only need a spoonful to test the entire pot of soup, right. On the other hand, if you have a gumbo, there’s a lot of lumpy stuff in there. And one spoonful may not tell you everything you need to know about that gumbo, right? Like oh, look, there’s a shrimp, this whole thing made of shrimp Nope. And so a lot goes into the data analysis of how much of a sample Do you need to reach the population size in a representative way where you’re likely to hit on All the different factors. That’s why when you see national surveys like the United States, you can get away with like 1500 people or 2000 people to represent 330 million, as long as they’re randomized and sampled properly. When you’re talking about, you know, 400 people or 500 people, you’re going to need, like close to 50% of the audience because there are, there’s enough chance that this is that one crazy person. That’s gonna throw the whole thing up. But that one crazy person is the CEO of a Fortune 50 company, right? And you want to know that the worst mistakes though, are the ones where you’re sampling something that is biased, and you make a claim that it’s not biased. So there are any number of companies HubSpot used to be especially guilty of this back in the day, they would just run a survey to their email list and say this represents the view of all marketers, nope, that represent the people who like you. And there’s a whole bunch of people who don’t like you and don’t aren’t on your mailing list and won’t respond to a survey. And even in cases like that, if you send out a survey to your mailing list The people who really like you are probably going to be the ones to respond. So that’s even a subset of your own audience that is not representative, even of your audience because there’s a self selection bias. Market research and serving as something that Tom says all the time is a different discipline is different than data analytics because it uses numbers and math, but in a very different way. It’s kind of like the difference between, you know, prose and poetry. Yes, they both use words and letters, but they use them in a very different way. And you’re one is not a substitute for the other.
Jason Falls
Right. Wow. I love the analogy. And Chad Holsinger says he loves the soup analogy, which gives me the opportunity to tell people my definition of soup, which I think is important for everybody to understand. I’ve never liked any kind of soup because soup to me is hot water with junk shit in it. So there you go. I’m checking in a couple of the new chip Griffin back at the beginning said this is going to be good. Hello, Chip. Good to see you. Chip had a really great look for chip on the Facebook’s. He had a really great live stream yesterday that I caught just A few seconds of and I still want to go back and watch for all of you folks in the agency world about how to price your services. And and so I was like, Oh man, I really need to watch this, but I gotta go to this call. So I’m gonna go back and watch that chip. Thanks for chiming in here. On your Rosina is here today. She’s with restream restream Yo, there you go. So Jason online slash Restream. For that Kathy calibers here again. Hello, Kathy. Good to see you again. Peter Cook is here as well. Peter Cook is our Director of interactive at cornet so good to see him chiming in and supporting the franchise. Okay, Chris, back to my hypothetical similar scenario but not as complicated and don’t think you’ve got a friend who owns a business size is kind of irrelevant here. Because I think this applies no matter what they want to invest in influencer marketing, which as you know, is one of my favorite topics because I get the book I’m working on. What advice would you give your friend to make sure they design a program to know what they’re getting out of their influencer so they can understand Which influencers are effective or efficient? which ones aren’t and or is influencer marketing good for them or not?
Christopher Penn
So it’s a really there’s a bunch of questions to unpack in there. First of all, what’s the goal? The program, right is if you look at the customer journey, where is this program going to fit, and it may fit in multiple places. But you’ll need different types of influences for different parts of the customer journey. There’s three very broad categories of influences. I wrote about this in a book back in 2016, which is out of print now, and I have to rewrite at some point. But there’s there’s essentially the, again, this is the sort of the expert, there’s the mayor, and then there’s the loud mouth, right? Most of the time when people talk about influences they think it aloud mouth the Kardashians of the world, like, how can I get, you know, 8 million views on my, you know, perfumer, unlicensed pharmaceutical. But there’s this whole group in the middle called these mayor’s these are the folks that B2B folks really care about. These are the folks that like, hey, Jason, do you know somebody at HP that I could talk to To introduce my brand, right I don’t need an artist 8 million I need you to connect me with the VP of Marketing at HP so that I can hopefully win a contract. That’s a really important influencer. And it’s one you don’t see a lot because there’s not a lot of very big splash. There’s no sexiness to it. So So yeah, let me send an email, and I’ll connect you and they’ll eight and 8 million deal later, like holy crap, do. I owe Jason in case of bourbon, and then give me three or four cases of murder. And then there’s then there’s the expert, right, which is kind of what you’re doing here, which is, there are some people again, for those folks who have a lot of gray hair, they remember back in the in the 70s and 80s. There’s whole ad series, you know that when EF Hutton talks, everyone listens. Right? The bank, the advisory firm, and it’s kind of the same thing. There are folks who don’t necessarily have huge audiences, but they have the right audience. You know, I hold up like my friend Tom Webster is one of those like when he says something when he read something, I’m gonna go read it. I don’t need I don’t even need to, to think like, Do I have time to read this? Nope. I just got to go and read what he has to say. And so depending on the the goal of your campaign, you need to figure out which of those three influencers types you want and what your expected outcome is. Second after that is how are you going to measure it? What is the the measurement system if you’re doing awareness, you should be benchmarking certainly giving your influencers you know, coded links to track direct traffic, but also you’re going to want to look at branded search and and co co branded search. So if I’m, if I search for yo Jason falls and Chris Penn, how many times that search for in the last month after do the show, if it’s zero, then you know, we didn’t really generate any interest in the show. If on the other hand, I see that’s spike up even for a little while, okay, people watched and or have heard about this and want to go look for it. So branded organic search sort of at the top. If you’re not using affiliate links, and affiliate type style tracking with your influencers and your goal is lead generation, you’ve missed the boat, you’ve completely missed the boat. And you know, for those for those like you know, may or may not influencers that’s where you’re going to track that directly into CRM like hey, Jason referred you know Patricia to me over HP you just track that code in your CRM and then later on because he did that, did that deal close? Or do we even was she even receptive like because you can have a terrible sales guy who just sucks It’s not your fault as the influencer for referring somebody who then the sales guy completely hosed the deal but at least you got the at bat. So for influencer marketing it’s it’s knowing the types having clear measures upfront and baking that into the contract again, this is something that I’ve seen brands do horrendously bad at they’ll the influences push for activity based metrics. I’m going to put up eight Facebook posts and four photos on Instagram. I remember I was doing work for an automotive client a couple years ago and they engage this one fashion influencer said I’m going to be a do for Instagram photos and and eight tweets and it’s gonna cost you140,000 for the day and that was it. And the brand’s like, sure sign us up and like are you insane and she You’re not even just doing a complicated regression analysis after the fact we did an analysis on, you know, even just the brand social metrics and it didn’t move the needle along the person got great engagement on their account. But you saw absolutely no crossover. And the last part is the deliverables, what is it you’re getting? So the measurements are part of the deliverables, but you have to get the influence just to put in writing, here’s what I’m delivering to you. And it’s more than just activity, it’s like you’re going to get for example, in a brand takeover and influence takes over a brand account, you should see a minimum of like 200 people cross over because they should have that experience from previous engagements they, they probably know they can get like 500 or thousand people to cross over with a sign the line for 200 they know though that they’ll nail it. Again, these are all things that you have to negotiate with the influencer and probably their agent, and it’s gonna be a tough battle. But if they’re asking for money and asking for a lot of money, you have every right to say what am I getting for my money and if they are not comfortable giving answers, you probably have some Who’s not worth worth the fight?
Jason Falls
Great advice. So I know you do a lot. A lot of the work you’re doing now with Trust Insights is focused on artificial intelligence. And you’ve got a great ebook, by the way on
AI for marketers, which I’ll drop a link to in the
show notes. So people can find that, how is AI affecting brands and businesses now that maybe we don’t even realize what are the possibilities for businesses to leverage AI for their marketing success?
Christopher Penn
So AI is this kind of a joke? Ai is only found in PowerPoints to the people who actually practice it’s called machine learning, which is somewhat accurate. Artificial Intelligence is just a way of doing things faster, better and cheaper, right, that’s at the end of the day. It’s like spreadsheets. I often think when I hear people talking about AI in these mystical terms, why did you talk about spreadsheets the same way 20 years ago, like this is going to this mystical thing that will fix our business, probably not. At the end of the day. It really is just a bunch of math, right? It’s stats probability, some calculus and linear algebra. And it’s all on either classifying or predicting something. That’s really all it does at the end of the day, whether it’s an image, whether it is video, what no matter what brands are already using it even they don’t know they’re using it. They’re already using it. Like if you use Google Analytics on a regular basis, you are using artificial intelligence because it’s a lot built into the back end. If using Salesforce or HubSpot, or any of these tools. There’s always some level of machine learning built in, because that’s how these companies can scale their products. Where it gets different is are you going to try to use the technology above and beyond what the vendor gives you? Are you going to do some of these more complicated analyses are going to try and take the examples we talked about earlier, from Google Analytics and stuff that into IBM Watson Studio and see if its model comes up with something better? That’s the starting point, I think, for a lot of companies is to figure out, is there a use case for something that is very repetitive, or something that we frankly, just don’t have the ability to figure out but a tool does. Can we start there? The caution is And the warning is, there’s a whole bunch number one, this is all math. It’s not magic AI is math magic. If you can’t do regular math, you’re not going to be able to do with AI. Ai only knows what you give it right is called machine learning for a reason, because machines are learning from the data we give it, which means the same rules that applies last 70 years in computing apply here, garbage in, garbage out. And there is a very, very real risk in AI particularly about any kind of decision making system, that you are reinforcing existing problems because you’re feeding the existing data in that already has problems, you’re going to create more of those same problems, because that’s what the machine learned how to do. Amazon saw this two years ago, when they trained an HR screening system to look at resumes, and it stopped hiring women immediately. Why cuz you fed it a database of 95% men, of course, it’s going to stop hiring women. You didn’t think about the training data you’re sending it given what’s happening in The world right now and with things like police brutality and with systemic racism, everybody has to be asking themselves, am I feeding our systems data that’s going to reinforce problems? I was at a conference the mahr tech conference. Last year, I saw this vendor that had this predictive customer matching system four, and they were using Dunkin Donuts as an example. And it brought up this map of the city of Boston, then, you know, there are dots all over red dots for ideal customers, black dots for not ideal customers. And, again, for those of you who are older, you probably have heard the term redlining. This is where banks in the 30s would draw lines on a map red line saying we’re not gonna lend to anybody in these predominantly black parts of the city. This software put up Boston said, Here’s where all your ideal customers were, and you look at Roxbury, Dorchester, matapan ash bond, all black dots, I’m like, Are you fucking kidding me? You’re telling me there’s not a single person in these areas that doesn’t drink that no one drinks Dunkin Donuts, coffee. You’re full of shit. You’re totally full of shit. What you have done. You have redlined these these predominately black areas of the city for marketing purposes. I was at another event two years ago in Minneapolis. And I was listening to it an insurance company say, we are not permitted to discriminate on policy pricing and things like that we’re not permitted to that by law. So what would you do to get around that is we only market to white sections of the city is effectively what they said, I’m like, I don’t believe you just said that out loud. I’m never doing business with you. But the danger with all these systems with AI in particular is it helps us it’s like coffee, it helps us make our mistakes faster, and then bigger. And we got to be real, real careful to make sure that we’re not reinforcing existing problems as we apply these technologies. Now, when you start small, like, Can I figure out you know, what gets me better leads in Google Analytics that’s relatively safe, but the moment you start touching in on any kind of data at the individual level, you run some real risks of of reinforcing existing biases and you don’t want to be doing that for any number of reasons is the easiest one is it’s illegal.
Jason Falls
Yeah, that’s good. Well, if people watching or listening, didn’t know why I love Crispin before they do now, because holy crap we could. It’s a master’s thesis every time I talk to you and I always learned something great. Thank you so much for spending some time with us this morning. Tell people I’ve got links to copy and paste but tell people where they can find you on the interwebs.
Christopher Penn
two places to the easiest to go Trust. insights.ai is my company and our blog and all the good stuff there. We have a pocket weekly podcast there too called In-Ear Insights. And then my personal website, Christopher, Penn calm, easiest. You find all the stuff there and you can find your way to all the other channels from those places. But those are the two places to go Trust insights.ai and Christopher Penn calm. That’s great. Chris,
Jason Falls
thank you so much for taking some time and sharing some knowledge with us today. Always great to talk to you, man. You too Take care, sir. All right, Christopher pin want help solving
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