Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • IBM THINK 2022 Champions Roundtable

    IBM Champions Roundtable

    At this year’s IBM THINK, I had the pleasure of joining fellow IBM Champions Jason Juliano, Steven Perva, and Craig Mullins along with IBMs Luke Schantz, JJ Asghar, Elizabeth Joseph, and the legendary Gabriela de Quieroz for a wide-ranging discussion on AI, data, bias, quantum computing, genomics, and more. Give a watch/listen!

    IBM Champions Roundtable, 5/10/2022
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    Luke Schantz 1:23

    Hello, and welcome to the champions roundtable at think broadcast day one.

    I’m your host Luke Schantz.

    And I’m joined by my co host, JJ, Asghar.

    Hello, JJ.

    JJ Asghar 1:34

    How we work.

    It’s been a little while since we’ve talked.

    But let me go introduce myself real quick.

    Hi, JJ.

    I’m a developer advocate for IBM Cloud.

    And I here.

    We’re here to talk about some cool things from IBM.

    Luke Schantz 1:50

    Yeah, well, JJ and I were hanging out earlier today watching the live stream of the think broadcast.

    And we had a good time we had to, we were able to chat and go over all the content that was revealed today.

    And now I think JJ is going to welcome some of our guests JJ, what do you welcome the IBM errs that are gonna join us today?

    JJ Asghar 2:08

    Yeah.

    Hey, so wiz Josephson is a good friend of mine or Elizabeth, Justin will see her pop in here in a second, hopefully.

    And then, Gabriella, who is when I assume a lot here, when I hear AI and data, I just assumed Gabrielle is part of the conversation.

    So this is going to be amazing.

    How are y’all doing? Whiz? Tell us about yourself?

    Elizabeth Joseph 2:32

    Great, thank you.

    So I too, am a Developer Advocate.

    But I’m working over on the IBM z Systems side.

    So we had a big launch recently with the IBM z 16.

    New mainframe version coming out.

    But my background actually is more in open source and distributed systems.

    So before I joined IBM, three years ago, I spent about 15 years doing Linux systems administration.

    So it was really fun watching the broadcast this morning, because I got to like, you know, dive into a bunch of little things here and there.

    So yeah, that was cool.

    And I’m happy to be here.

    JJ Asghar 3:05

    Awesome.

    Thank thanks for that.

    Gabrielle.

    AI equals Gabrielle, is that right? Am I Am I right? Can you tell me a little bit about yourself, please?

    Gabriela de Queiroz 3:15

    Yeah, absolutely.

    And thank you for having me here.

    My name is Gabriella de Queiroz.

    I’m a chief data scientist working on AI strategy and innovation here at I IBM.

    But I’m also like working on open source I’ve been working for with open source for several years, and the data and AI space.

    Not only like contributing to open source, but also like consuming the open source technology that we have about the world.

    JJ Asghar 3:43

    Awesome.

    Thanks for that.

    Hey, Luke, I got a question for you, buddy.

    For audience, how do you ask questions? We’ve got some awesome people on this.

    And we’re breathless.

    Morin, but how do they how do they ask questions?

    Luke Schantz 3:56

    That is a great question about questions.

    So wherever you’re watching this, if there is a chat function there with your streaming platform, you can just drop those chats right in those questions right into that chat.

    And we’re going to be monitoring those and filtering them into this, this stream.

    So you know, probably towards the end of the stream, we’ll get to those questions.

    But if you’ve got these, please drop them in there.

    And if there’s any questions that we didn’t get to, there will be an Ask Me Anything that you can find on community.ibm.com.

    After this stream, it’ll be a chat based so we got you covered.

    We’re gonna try to get your questions in here.

    But if we can’t, we got you covered after the stream, we’ll be able to answer your questions.

    JJ Asghar 4:38

    Rock on.

    So who else we’re bringing in Luke?

    Luke Schantz 4:43

    Well, our next guests are part of the IBM champions program.

    And for those of you are not familiar with the IBM champions, they are experts and thought leaders around IBM products, offerings and technologies.

    They’re a diverse and global group who love to share their knowledge and expertise.

    You’ll find them answering questions, creating content, running user groups, putting on events and helping others in the community.

    So let’s meet the IBM champions that are gonna be on our show today.

    Luke Schantz 5:13

    Here they come.

    They’re on there.

    They’re coming.

    It’s a little bit of a walk there.

    They’ll be here soon.

    Great.

    Hello, Jason.

    Hello, Steven.

    Hello, Craig.

    Hello, Chris.

    So maybe we could just go around and have everyone introduce themselves.

    Why don’t we start with Jason Juliano, Director at EisnerAmper Digital.

    Jason Juliano 5:37

    Yeah.

    Hey, good afternoon, everyone if you guys are in the east coast, but so I’m Jason Juliano, I lead up digital transformation for EisnerAmper.

    I’ve been IBM Champion now for the last four years and data and AI, blockchain and cloud.

    And, yeah, thank you for having me be here.

    Luke Schantz 6:03

    We appreciate you taking the time.

    Steven Perva.

    Please, please introduce yourself to our audience.

    Steven Perva 6:09

    Absolutely.

    Thank you, Luke.

    I’m grateful to be here.

    As mentioned, my name is Steven Perva.

    Unlike Jason, I have only been a champion for now just 2022 for IBM z Systems.

    I’m new to this new to this game, but by my professional life, if you will, is is I am the senior mainframe innovation engineer at a company called insulin alemayehu service provider based out of Chicago and globally.

    Luke Schantz 6:36

    Excellent.

    Thank you, Steven.

    Craig Mullins, Principal Consultant and President at Mullins consulting.

    Hello, welcome to the stream.

    Craig Mullins 6:43

    Hello, thank you.

    Happy to be here.

    As you said, I’m an independent consultant.

    Been an IBM Champion, since back when it was called information champion.

    So 14 years now, also an IBM gold consultant, which is conferred by IBM on to what they consider the elite consultants, work with database systems, all my career DB two, on the mainframe since version one, so you can see the gray in my hair.

    I’ve earned it.

    Luke Schantz 7:14

    Thank you, Craig.

    I’m looking forward to hearing what you have to say.

    Chris Penn, chief data scientist at trust insights.ai Hello.

    Welcome to the stream, Chris.

    Christopher Penn 7:25

    Thank you for having me.

    Yeah.

    We’re an IBM Business Partner as well.

    We’re analytics in a management consulting firm, based mostly in Massachusetts.

    And I’ve been an IBM Champion now for five years, spent a lot of time being a sponsor user, which is IBM is program where they bring in folks like all the folks here, and we give feedback on early prototypes, ideas, proposed refinements and things.

    I will just say also Gabriela undersold herself.

    She’s a member of the R Foundation, which I’m an avid R fan.

    And she for the last 10 years has been heading up one of the largest art data science groups for women on the planet.

    So she, she needs some additional props.

    They’re

    JJ Asghar 8:05

    at a rock star got a rock star?

    Gabriela de Queiroz 8:07

    I mean, you hit a very humble, I have to say so.

    Yeah.

    JJ Asghar 8:14

    Excellent.

    So yeah, go ahead.

    No, no, you go, you’re speaking

    Luke Schantz 8:19

    first.

    I was I was actually going to ask you.

    I was like, we have so much to talk about.

    We have an hour and a half.

    Where do we want to start the conversation? I feel like

    Christopher Penn 8:28

    what do you think, JJ? Oh, well, I

    JJ Asghar 8:30

    think we should just start right out of the gate.

    And let’s go around the room real quick.

    And let’s kind of seat like, we all.

    First of all, we very, we confirmed we all did watch it, we all engaged in it.

    So we, you know, this is live and we’re not going to pull any punches.

    But we all did really did come out something with watching the stream this morning.

    So have a look around the room start with the ways with what was the one thing that like just grabbed you about I don’t we’re not gonna go into detail.

    But what was the thing that you were just like? Yes, that is exactly what I was hoping to see or hear or excited you about the presentation?

    Elizabeth Joseph 9:09

    Oh, well, for me for sure.

    I mean, the the broadcast this morning was a little over an hour and a half and a full 30 minutes of that was spent on sustainability.

    And that was really exciting for me to see.

    It’s something I care a lot about.

    JJ Asghar 9:21

    Awesome.

    Yeah, we’ll definitely go into that that.

    That’s great.

    That’s great.

    Gabrielle, what about you,

    Gabriela de Queiroz 9:29

    for me was when Arvin was talking about successful leadership and transformation.

    So he touched on several pieces and pillars, that we are going more into details later, but this is the takeaways that I’ve been thinking about, and it’s something that we all should discuss and talk more.

    JJ Asghar 9:52

    Perfect, perfect, perfect.

    Chris, how about you, buddy?

    Christopher Penn 9:56

    I have two things that were really interesting.

    One was use of blocks came to provide transparency up through your supply chain, that was really important given how so many things like sustainability initiatives are based on knowing what’s happening throughout the value chain.

    And the other one I was really happy to hear about was the Citizens Bank talk where folks talking about the future of cryptocurrencies and stuff and you know, the, how it’s going to be made boring, which is a good thing, because once something is no longer technologically interesting, and becomes societally useful, and, you know, hearing that we’re going to get away from the wild west and you know, random cartoons of apes being sold for $30 million dollars into here’s an actual use for the technology that might benefit people and could potentially justify the enormous energy usage of platforms.

    JJ Asghar 10:48

    Well, you know, there’s a lot of jokes, I can go from there, but we’re not we’re not gonna go down path.

    We’re gonna go over to Craig, what grabbed you? What What was interesting to you?

    Craig Mullins 10:57

    Yeah, I think the main thing for me was that imbued in everything that was being discussed was data.

    And even you know, you look at the sustainability conversation.

    And they asked, you know, where do you start? And the answer was always start with data.

    And I think that’s a good answer.

    There’s a lot underneath that that really needs to be discussed.

    And the one thing I always hear is, you go into an organization and they say, we treat data as a corporate asset, then you look at how they treat data, and they’re just filthy liars.

    So I think there’s a lot to discuss there.

    JJ Asghar 11:36

    Awesome.

    Steve, how about you?

    Steven Perva 11:38

    Yeah, so for me, I want to talk a lot about modernization, I feel like monetization was was a topic that kind of was a facet of almost everything that people were speaking about, for me, especially working in the mainframe space, that’s kind of my weapon of choice, I find that that modernization is, is just a piece that, that flows across the whole thing.

    The culture aspect of modernization is really important to me, especially as somebody with with a with a few less gray hairs as a lot of my peers.

    JJ Asghar 12:10

    Awesome, awesome.

    Jason, how about you? What was the thing that grabbed you about this view this morning?

    Jason Juliano 12:18

    Just a comment on that, Steve, real quick.

    I remember when I was at bank in New York, we were modernizing across.

    Yeah, the mainframe to the as 400 moving to AI series.

    So mario is modernization has always been around.

    But what resonated really well with me was, as Gabriela mentioned, our arvense talk on digital transformation, the culture change, how businesses need to adapt to, you know, AI, automation, sustainability.

    And then you have sustainability being very integrated into everyone’s ESG plans, especially this year.

    Excellent work.

    Luke Schantz 13:05

    Oh, is it my turn? Is it my shirt? Oh, wow.

    JJ Asghar 13:08

    Oh, sure.

    Yeah, let’s do it.

    Luke Schantz 13:10

    I didn’t realize I got to.

    Well, I would have to concur that it was very interesting that sustainability was such a big part of the message.

    And I think that we all know that there’s, you know, there’s lots of issues, and there’s lots of things we’ve been dealing with.

    And I think what’s clearly this is important to society.

    And I think it’s important, you know, we’d like to think that companies always want to do the right thing, but we know that they’re driven by constraints.

    And I think we’ve reached, we have reached a breaking point, if we see such a large portion of such a high profile event, dealing with that topic, I think we can see that it’s important, you know, all the way through the end users and the consumers that are using whatever app they want to, you know, they want to have a ensure that the future is going to be there and that we can have sustainability.

    And I think that that has trickled back and it’s really starting to penetrate the bones of, you know, the established organizations like IBM, so I was super excited about that as well.

    Jason Juliano 14:09

    Just tying back to that, you know, having like, if you’re looking leveraging technologies, right, so even with the blockchain, you know, creating these ESG, Blockchain environments where, you know, you could actually, you know, track product carbon footprints across the supply chain, and, you know, doing like a deeper look into all your suppliers and scoring them and, you know, being 100% Transparent across that data flow.

    Elizabeth Joseph 14:40

    Yeah, and another thing that was mentioned that was really fascinating to me was that, apparently, plant genetics are more complicated than humans.

    They said like the difference between two strings of corn could be as much as like between a human and a chimp.

    And that was like, wow, that’s, that’s really something but one of the things that they’re doing as a result is they’re using like AI and machine learning to analyze the gene and find out the relationships.

    So when they do their modifications for sustainable farming and the newer variants that they’re creating, like they they know what to tweak, because it’s not always obvious.

    And that was I was blown away by that.

    I was like that is an amazing use of these machine learning technology.

    Christopher Penn 15:19

    What one of the interesting things about that the keynote, I thought was interesting that was omitted, was there wasn’t actually a lot of talk about AI and machine learning as a an area of focus, right? It’s we’re now at the point where it’s baked into everything.

    Is there just sort of implicit? Oh, yeah, there’s there’s a machine learning in here too.

    Luke Schantz 15:40

    Yeah, the hype cycle, I feel like everybody was really focused on those kinds of buzzwords in the beginning, and now we’re getting to this.

    What do they call it? The

    Craig Mullins 15:50

    there’s like the productivity hacks.

    Luke Schantz 15:53

    That’s exactly what I was looking for.

    Yeah, we’re getting to that plateau of productivity where it’s, it’s really starting to come into use, and it’s not just the buzzword that gets your attention.

    It’s what you’re doing with it.

    Steven Perva 16:04

    Yeah, I’m not sure who it was, but said that once the technology starts to get boring, it becomes more pragmatic.

    Right.

    Clay Shirky? Yeah, I think that I think that that we see that in the management of systems space as well, right.

    AI Ops is a piece of is, is a thing that’s kind of becoming more relevant today.

    We’re, we’re, we’re monitoring systems, as they as they go on to see, are we compliant? That’s a good piece of the picture, are we on the verge of some major issue that is going to reduce availability, that’s something that that truly fascinates me.

    And, and as this becomes normalized, like you were saying, we’re seeing it just become what people I’d like that people like to refer to as table stakes, right? It’s just just a part of the equation that’s always been there.

    Much like, modernization, like chasing got me on.

    JJ Asghar 16:51

    So we have some of the smartest people in the industry on this, this call, right? Or this zoom right? Or whatever it is, whatever you want to call it this way we’re talking right now.

    And I want to take a quick step back.

    And I want to ask the whole AI ecosystem, like tactically speaking, how do we, how do you engage in this world? Like, do you just just start it? Like, I’m gonna just do AI tomorrow? Or is there like a, how do you how do we, how do we build this into our narratives as just a? Will we engineer like myself?

    Christopher Penn 17:27

    Well, so.

    So go ahead, Greg.

    Craig Mullins 17:33

    Okay, yeah, I wasn’t really going to say anything there.

    But I think, you know, it’s not something where you can just sit down and do AI, you there’s a lot that you got to learn.

    And I think you need to immerse yourself in the literature and understand what AI actually is.

    When I look at some of the things that people tend to call AI, it gets that the marketer sees who AI is popular, something I’ve been doing for 30 years is now AI, and that’s not the case.

    So digging in and figuring out what you have to do in terms of building a model on what is that creation of the model relying upon, and hey, it’s me.

    So that’s data, right? And there’s a lot that you can do to be shoring up, what it is you have that you’re gonna put AI on top of, and you put AI on top of bad data, you’re gonna get bad decisions.

    So work on cleaning up the quality of your data, work on understanding your data.

    And you see things like data, fabric and data mesh being introduced, and people promoting them.

    And I gotta say, if it’s got data in the title, I love it.

    But what you’re actually calling it, you know, the fabric is this.

    And the mesh is that it’s like, I don’t care.

    It’s data management.

    It’s all data management.

    And you’re doing things like creating data quality, ensuring data stewardship, governing your data, ensuring compliance, cataloging your data, that’s what we call it.

    Now.

    We used to call it data dictionaries.

    And after that, we call it repositories, and then we call it catalogs.

    You know, you wait long enough, we’ll call it something else.

    Let’s do it.

    Instead of calling it different things over the 3040 years, I’ve been in this business.

    So instead of rushing to say I’m doing AI, why don’t you start doing the things that build your infrastructure that make AI possible?

    Christopher Penn 19:38

    AI is fundamentally math, right? So when you if you take the word AI out and just call it spreadsheets, suddenly, like how do I start using spreadsheets like, oh, no, it’s a tool.

    Right? So there’s four parts to all this, right.

    There’s, there’s the tool, which is, you know, software models.

    There’s ingredients, which is what Craig was talking about the data data is the ingredient right? Then there’s the part So no one talks about which is the chef, right? And the recipe.

    And if you don’t have a chef and you don’t have a recipe, it doesn’t matter how much of AI you have, right? You can’t do anything.

    If you have, like Craig said, you have bad data, you have bad ingredients.

    I don’t care how good a chef you are, if you bought sand instead of flour.

    You ain’t baking edible bread, right? So AI is just an appliance in the kitchen of productivity.

    And you’ve got to figure out the other pieces you don’t have.

    And that’s the part that people think it’s magic, right? No, you’re like, Yeah, you’re microwaves kind of magic to if you tried to take apart your microwave and put it back together, you’re probably not going to have a great day.

    But it’s you don’t have to know how to reassemble a microwave to make use of it.

    But you do have to know what it’s good for.

    And oh, by the way, don’t put a potato wrapped in foil in the microwave.

    Craig Mullins 20:54

    After that, go to your marketing department and say let’s market math.

    Gabriela de Queiroz 21:01

    And, you know, yeah, I think like AI the hardest piece is like, the whole terminology like all this words.

    And like you have to have a dictionary of like, the meaning of like all this new, the old war words and the new words.

    And then you have like data, fabric mash, and then you have data lakes, and then you have like a bunch of like technology that someone that is not a into this world will get lost.

    Right.

    So the criminology is like, a big blocker.

    I don’t I don’t think it’s like even the math, the statistics, but like the terminology itself, it’s very hard because you have to understand the terminology before being able to understand what is happening, right.

    JJ Asghar 21:43

    So, Gabriella, where do you like, where do you start? Like you said, you learn the vernacular.

    Okay.

    Okay, cool.

    So where?

    Gabriela de Queiroz 21:54

    Well, I would say it depends, it all always depends on like, what I’m looking for, right? You can go as deep as you want, or as shallow as you want.

    If you want to be able just surely read, like some news and be able to have some critical thinking around that.

    You don’t need to go further into like, how is the technique being applied or like, what is neural network or like all the math behind, but it just needs to have like, a general understanding.

    So it depends where you want to go and how far you want to go.

    So that’s the first thing.

    The second thing that I always mention is try to think about or get a use case that is related to an area that you are passionate about, for example, so like, I don’t know, if you like microwaves, vape, maybe see if there is any AI related to microwaves and go deeper to understand AI and microwaves, right? So it’s a domain that you like microwave, so you can go further and understand better

    Jason Juliano 22:54

    mentioned.

    Yeah, I was gonna say already mentioned, the McDonald’s use case, right.

    So transforming the way that we will order food today.

    And I love, you know, telling the story through use cases.

    And that’s a perfect story where, you know, we talk about AI technologies and automation.

    Sorry, let’s go ahead.

    Elizabeth Joseph 23:17

    Oh, no, I was just because I think also, as technologists, we bring an interesting perspective to this to our organizations where they may not be aware of the tools available to them.

    Because, you know, someone mentioned spreadsheets.

    And I know, we’ve all been in a situation where we find out that someone in our organization is using totally the wrong tool to manage their data.

    And sometimes it’s really horrifying.

    And so I think I think that’s something we can also bring to the table in our organization, say, like, listen, there are ways to do this.

    And you don’t have to understand the underlying technology, but I can help you with this.

    And you know, that’s really something that really empowers developers.

    And by speaking up in your organization, it also is very good for your career.

    Christopher Penn 23:58

    Yeah, look, yeah, you’re trying to make soup but you’ve got a frying pan.

    JJ Asghar 24:03

    I mean, you can it’s not going to be

    Luke Schantz 24:11

    on the topic of you know, when is it AI it makes me think to this idea of, you know, we’re talking about you know, these base levels you got MAVs you got some logic, and I think, you know, at some point, you know, like, let’s say even just in an application, like when is it? When is it function? When is it a script? And when does it become an application? I feel like there’s there’s an emergent property here that like, after you’ve done enough work that you can sort of, like get some semblance of, you know, functionality without having to do the work in the moment at that point.

    It’s AI and I don’t know when that is, but it seems to me that there’s, it’s, it’s the same stuff, it’s just you need a bunch of it and the right the right pieces fitting together.

    Christopher Penn 24:52

    Typically, we’re saying something like AI once software begins to write itself like once you’re once you’re feeding data and to Having the software, you start creating something from that, as opposed to explicitly giving it instructions like, you can specify, yeah, here’s a list of five algorithms you can use, you know, you pick the best one, IBM Watson auto AI, does a lot of that you say, here’s the outcome I want, here’s my data.

    You figure out the rest.

    And fundamentally for machine learning, it’s, if the software isn’t learning, if there’s no learning involved, then it’s that it definitely is not AI.

    Right? Once learning starts getting involved, then then you’re you’re into AI territory, and then you get into deep learning reinforcement, all the branches.

    But if there’s no learning, it’s probably not AI.

    Steven Perva 25:41

    Yeah, I think that was to what Craig had mentioned, in the management space, we see a lot of people code things like when this value is hit, take this action, right.

    And a lot of people say that’s, that’s aiops.

    But but really, there’s no learning happening there.

    But when you say, here’s a, here’s a sampling of what our system looks like, over the past year, and now you derive what that threshold is, and what the action to take to to maybe sell self remediate the problem, then then that I believe is more AI than than any type of knee jerk reaction that you’ve predefined.

    Craig Mullins 26:16

    And, and that scares the pants off assists Adams, I’m going to turn this over to the computer, it’s going to make all the decisions

    JJ Asghar 26:25

    we make Craig.

    Anyway, I gotta jump in and say, You didn’t put that nag iOS alert on a restart at the service when naggy was kicked.

    It might have the only one pick up this joke.

    Oh, no, oh, no.

    Okay, well, it’s got it.

    There you go.

    Elizabeth Joseph 26:44

    It’s also funny because like, I can see us in 10 years being, you know, like, like people taking this stuff for granted, the stuff that AI Ops is going to be suggesting to us, like, I don’t write system calls manually on my Linux box, right like that.

    The computer just does that for me.

    But there was a time when people were, you know, there was a time when people were flipping switches to make computers go.

    So I think, you know, as time goes on, as well, like, the stuff that AI ops does, it’s just gonna be normal things that will trust the system at that point.

    Craig Mullins 27:13

    And when you look at something like the IBM z, which is probably the most instrumented system on the planet, in terms of the amount of data that it collects, just think of the opportunity that machine learning has when it’s placed on top of that wealth of data.

    They’ve been collecting for these years, and maybe only looking at this much of it, because that’s what fit on the report for my DBAs.

    JJ Asghar 27:41

    So, so, so correct.

    The follow up on the whole, you open more data conversations there.

    With the talk this morning.

    Yes, this morning.

    What else? What else? Great, what else? interest you in? Like, where are we going with it? What announcement really, really helped open up your eyes to the future that we’re bringing to this world?

    Craig Mullins 28:05

    Well, you know, I think there’s a lot going on in the world of data.

    And I don’t necessarily think I heard any specific announcement in today’s session.

    And I think there might be a bit of misfortune in that.

    You know, in Arvind, he was talking about the IBM z 16.

    Great, wonderful platform, where’s DB 213 That was announced the same day.

    And that has built in AI built in things to improve performance data movement.

    And data movement is one of my key issues.

    And I say that because last year, I was doing some consulting at a large healthcare provider.

    And they had lost several of their DBAs.

    And they brought in some IBM gold consultants to help them sort of transition until they can hire some new ones on.

    And the thing that struck me was the sheer amount of time that they spent moving data from one place to another.

    This was a mainframe site.

    They had about a dozen DBAs.

    And they had about 16 different environments.

    So there was production.

    And then there were all these test environments.

    And they would spend two to three days just about every week moving data from production to test.

    And that was just the de B2C environment that were IMS DB is doing that Oracle DB is doing that.

    And this was just the data that was moved from production into test.

    When you look at what they were doing to build their data warehouses and how they were doing to aggregate that data across.

    I would say they spent so many MSE us consumed just moving data from one place to another and not very efficiently.

    That there’s a wealth of things that could be done for not just this organization, but just about every organization out there who’s doing similar things.

    So you look at what we’re doing with data.

    And it’s great.

    And we’ve got more data.

    We’re doing all these things with data.

    But you can’t take your eyes off of everything going on behind the scenes that allows us to do that.

    And that’s your database administration in your data movement.

    And you know, just a cogs that keep that moving.

    Christopher Penn 30:28

    Correct.

    Did you think it was weird? I remember hearing the data movement thing too.

    Did you think it was weird that they didn’t mention anything about data velocity? Because it seems to me that it’s not just the volume of data, but it’s the speed of data that we’re getting, like anyone who’s done any work on any blockchain knows that.

    When you reconnect your node, you have a data velocity problem as your machine tries to keep up with it.

    And it strikes me that that neck didn’t get mentioned at all.

    Craig Mullins 30:51

    Yeah, I think it’s kind of my opinion is is probably pushed back against big data and, you know, talking about the V’s, and everybody’s been V to death, with volume and velocity, everything.

    So now we may, we’re gonna try not to mention that.

    But I think that’s unfortunate.

    Because you’re absolutely right there.

    That is a key issue that organizations are challenged with today.

    Christopher Penn 31:17

    We saw during the last election, we have so much data and so I got Jason.

    Jason Juliano 31:22

    And now I was gonna say what was mentioned today was from a quantum computing perspective, but 2025 They’re trying to push the quantum computing on the cloud at 4000 qubits, which I was reading a press release on it this morning.

    It’s roughly 10,000 Ops per second.

    So yeah, potentially, if that, if that’s true.

    It’s going to take us to a new level with some of these use cases and, you know, some risk management algorithms.

    So yeah, I’m, I’m personally excited about that piece.

    JJ Asghar 32:03

    I’m not excited the same time.

    Come on, nothing, nothing, no, come on.

    Craig Mullins 32:10

    Well, they’re talking about quantum proof encryption, and the IBM z.

    So you know, IBM is at least ahead of the curve, they’re, you know, they’re gonna give you the quantum computing to help you break down the encryption but they’re going to protect it least to the mainframe.

    Jason Juliano 32:28

    It’s gonna be an everyone else is supposed to get started now,

    Craig Mullins 32:35

    exactly.

    Christopher Penn 32:39

    I was a question that this is quite a good one for Gabriella.

    Given what’s going on with quantum and, and the ability for machines to operate in states of grade.

    Do you think that accelerates progress towards Artificial General Intelligence? By having quantum computing capabilities? Getting away from the restrictions of Betty? silicon has for AGI?

    Gabriela de Queiroz 33:06

    That’s, that’s a tough question, which I don’t know much where we are heading to in terms of like, it’s not my area of expertise.

    But I feel like there is so much going on in the quantum space that it’s being hard to follow.

    In a way Arvind, talked a little bit about this.

    This morning.

    We didn’t go into more details around quantum and all the advances.

    But yeah, I don’t have much to say about quantum I just see like something that’s, it’s like, it’s going to be incredible.

    IBM is in the front, with with all the technology, everything that’s going on.

    And yeah.

    Luke Schantz 33:50

    I was gonna mention on the research.ibm.com blog, quantum dash development dash roadmap is the name of the post, but there’s a great post that kind of, you know, it’s more than we could get into here.

    And I’m not sort of, I couldn’t explain it if I could read it and understand it, but I’m not going to be able to explain it.

    But it’s amazing.

    When you see Yeah, yeah.

    And it’s following what we’re used to, right.

    We, we work in these low level processes, and then we build better tools, and we build from there, and we build from there.

    And that’s the same path we’re seeing with quantum where you’re gonna benefit from it without having to be an expert in it.

    Elizabeth Joseph 34:27

    Yeah, and one of the things that was interesting to me that I recently learned is that there are things that the quantum computer is really bad at.

    And so there will always be a place for classic computing, and it will be a core component of all of this.

    And I was thought that was really cool.

    Like, Oh, good.

    Quantum is, you know, it’s it’s a whole new world for us.

    Craig Mullins 34:47

    So we’re not going to be taking that JCL and moving into a quantum computer you’re

    Unknown Speaker 34:51

    probably not know,

    Gabriela de Queiroz 34:53

    which is interesting, because it’s something that we see in other fields as well like when we were talking about AI and the whole thing like, oh, is AI going to replace humans and everybody was like, Oh, am I going to get a job or have a job in 510 years.

    And then now when we know that now they’re gonna go to replace this which be different.

    We still need humans or like, even when you compare AI machine learning with the statistics people say, statistics is that, you know, you should not learn the statistics, you should not know, statistics.

    And I’m like, oh, you know, statistics is the foundation for everything.

    So like, so yeah, it’s very interesting, because like, you see things, you know, repeating in different domains and industries and topics.

    Craig Mullins 35:37

    Yeah, that’s a discussion that’s been around as long as automation, you know, every now and then when I talk about automating DBA features, people say, you can’t automate me out of a job.

    And I think, well, you know, we’re gonna automate portions of you out of a job.

    And that’s what our whole job as IT professionals has been automating portions of everybody’s job, right? We haven’t automated people out of existence yet.

    We’re not going to anytime soon.

    Steven Perva 36:05

    That was a Go ahead.

    JJ Asghar 36:08

    Stephen, I was about to just say, Hey, you have some opinions here.

    Steven Perva 36:11

    Ya know, it’s, it’s just for me, it’s fascinating to see, to kind of riff off of what Craig was just talking about, I do a lot of process automation in my job using what we’re calling modern technology in terms of Python and no, Jas on running on Z.

    Right.

    And, and we’re doing that process automation.

    And we’re trying what what I, the way I explain it, is we’re trying to automate the mundane, right, and we get that a lot of people are talking about, well, what’s going to happen to me if this is right, and I say, if your value is submitting JCL, then then you’re severely under estimating your own talents, and you need to focus on what you’re really good at, what we need to do is get you away from doing these menial things.

    So you could do the fun thought work.

    I guess something else I wanted to add, riffing off of what Gabrielle had mentioned, is, is when people say all the fear of AI, what’s it going to do to the world, something that Brian Young had mentioned right out the beginning, talking about talking about AI, was was how AI can bring a more equitable home buying process to people that was really fascinating to me to kind of, to kind of learn how we can automate things that make people kind of not as spectacular as we want to think we all write things like bias, you can automate the machine learning can get that, get that element out there, let’s not have any any bias because the machine is not bias to who we are as cultural or individuals.

    So that was really fascinating, exciting to me to hear about that, especially the whole idea of being able to look at something without someone calling me on the phone or texting me or send me 55 emails to try to sell me something.

    Hopefully the computers don’t pick up on that from us.

    Elizabeth Joseph 37:53

    Yeah.

    Sorry.

    During the the segment about translations, trying to translate a lot of the research papers and other things to other languages.

    And so people do translations, and then the AI and machine learning, they go and check the translations.

    So it was a nice little way that humans and computers were working together.

    Because neither one is going to be perfect at that.

    Craig Mullins 38:17

    Yeah.

    And you mentioned bias, Stephen, and you can automate bias out, but you can automate bias in

    Christopher Penn 38:24

    as well as automated in

    Craig Mullins 38:27

    Yeah, you look at facial recognition.

    And you know, white male faces are easily recognized, but not much else.

    And that’s because, you know, bias inherent in the data fed into the algorithm.

    So, you know, if there’s bias in our society, there’ll probably be bias in our AI.

    Jason Juliano 38:46

    Yeah, yeah.

    Ethics, ethic.

    Yeah, ethics.

    And bias is huge, you know, just training, you know, a lot of these AI and ML models from the beginning, especially, as you mentioned, Steven, dealing with mortgages and home lending.

    It’s huge.

    So we definitely have to prepare for that.

    Christopher Penn 39:06

    The challenge is, this AI is inherently biased, and it is inherently biased to the majority, because all the training data has to come from somewhere.

    And if you want a lot of data to build a model, you have to bring in a lot of data.

    And the majority is always going to be represented in a lot of data, because mathematically, it’s the majority.

    So one of the things that people should be taking a really hard look at.

    IBM has a toolkit called AI fairness 360, which can find on the IBM website, and it’s a set of libraries, you can use Python and R, that you feed your data and you declare your protected classes and then you say here are the things that we want to protect against, you know, if there’s a gender flag, you want it to be, you know, 4040 20 if you if there’s a race lag, it should be proportional.

    But the challenge that we’re going to run into is how do you define fairness? So with mortgages for example, should the approval rate reflect the poppy Leyshon, should the approval rate reflect an idealized outcome? Should it be blinded, like with hiring should be blinded where everyone has an equal chance? Or are you trying to correct for an existing bias and all four are fair.

    But they’re fair in different ways.

    And nobody has come up with an explanation yet about how do we agree on what is fair, because just blinding applicants for a mortgage may cause issues.

    And the other issue we have, which is a big problem with data and oh, by the way, we’re seeing those with social networks is imputed imputed variables, where I don’t need to know your race or your gender.

    I just need to know the movies, music and books you consume.

    And I can infer your gender and sexuality and age within 98% accuracy.

    If you have an imputed variable in the data set like that, then guess what? You’ve rebuilt by us back into your dataset?

    Gabriela de Queiroz 40:54

    Yeah, so like, crazy.

    You’re mentioning AI, F AI F 360s, open source tool that was created by IBM, and then we donated to the Linux Foundation.

    And so now it’s under Linux Foundation.

    So we donated a lot of like open source toolkits around this topic.

    So AIF is one the AI X for explainability is another one.

    We have art.

    We have fact sheets in there is also the IBM product open scale that you can use in a more like production ready? Capacity, right?

    Christopher Penn 41:29

    Yeah, open skills really important because a drift, which is again, something that people don’t think about when it comes to the data has more data comes in, if you started with an unbiased model, but the data you’re bringing in is biased, your model drifts into a bias state by default, Microsoft found out that real hard way when they put up a twitter bot called Tay in 2016.

    And it became a racist porn bot and 24 hours like, oh, well, that model didn’t work out so well.

    But something like open skill does say these are protected classes.

    And it’ll sounded a lot like your models drifting out of the protection classes you said didn’t want to violate.

    JJ Asghar 42:12

    At a twitter bot, I still referenced in some of my my talks, too, because it’s just it’s just, it’s amazing story of trying to do the right thing.

    And, you know, it just, it just goes the wrong way very quickly.

    It was it was like 24 hours, it was completely they had to remove it.

    And there’s a scrubbed from the internet.

    Like we don’t talk about this anymore.

    We don’t talk about I can’t say that because this is a I’m making a reference to a song that my kids listen to.

    You don’t talk about? Yeah, okay, you got it.

    So, we were talking about, there was a couple couple things popped up.

    And we want to talk about supply chain, and the conversation around supply chain and how how vital it is to today’s world.

    So Can Can I have someone kind of talk about the thoughts that they wonder, Chris, you were really, really this, this, this grabbed you? So can you go a little bit deeper into what we’ve been talking about supply chain?

    Christopher Penn 43:14

    So here’s the thing I think is really interesting about supply chain is that you don’t realize how deep chains go, right? We typically look at the boundary of our company like okay, if I make coffee machines, here’s where my parts come from.

    Okay, well, great.

    Well, where did their parts come from? Where did their parts come from? At the beginning of the pandemic, one of the things that we ran out of fairly quickly, that wasn’t talked about a whole lot was it’s things like acetaminophen and ibuprofen.

    Why? Because those are made in China, but the precursors to those are made in India, right.

    So a lot of the pharmaceutical precursors are manufactured in India, when India first had its lockdowns that interrupted shipments to China was interrupted, and then you had shipping disruptions in in Shanghai and Shenzhen.

    And that, of course, created this ripple effect.

    But even something like Oh, somebody parks the cargo ship the wrong way.

    And the Suez Canal for 16 days, is enough to screw up the entire planet shipping because the system itself is so brittle.

    And so one of the things I thought was so interesting about the idea of blockchain built into the supply chain is that not only do you get this, you know, unalterable audit trail of stuff, but just from a beginning to end perspective, where does what’s happened along the way, because if you have insight into that into everything on where your suppliers are coming from, you can build models, you can build analyses, like, hey, Russia just illegally invaded Ukraine and 50% of the world’s neon and 10% of the world’s platinum comes from there.

    What’s that going to affect and when is it going to affect us? If you know that your business was reliant on a component, and it’s seven months, you know, there’s a seven month lag and that’s up Like and, you know, in seven months, you’re gonna have a problem on your manufacturing line.

    Because if you have insight to the entire supply chain right now companies don’t.

    But if you have this kind of blockchain audit trail, this public ledger that opens up to being able to be much more predictive about what’s going to happen even as consumer if I, as a consumer could have access to a supply chain, right? And I know, hey, this stick of gum actually has a 12 and a half week supply chain.

    I know Okay, with something’s gone wrong in that chain.

    I’m gonna go out and buy, you know, extra gum now, so that I can anticipate that George, I bought a snowblower in July last year.

    Why? Because I knew that lithium was having supply issues, which means that the electric lawn or the electric snowblower wanted to buy it would be out of stock by the time winter rolled around.

    So my neighbors all looking at me, like, why did you buy a snowblower in July in Boston? Well, because I know the supply chains gonna be closed for months.

    And it turns out, you know, when AUC by the time October rolled around, you couldn’t get snowblowers they were out because there were not enough batteries to power them.

    Craig Mullins 46:07

    So you should have bought a dozen and opened up snowblowers.

    Steven Perva 46:12

    Chris says that dangerous foresight that I wish I had, and it’s like, I I need that foresight when I plan my Disney trips, Chris, like, we need some of that.

    Craig Mullins 46:22

    Oh, they’ll they’ll put that on the blockchain.

    So

    Luke Schantz 46:28

    Chris, you mentioned the word.

    I think fragile or brittle.

    And it is interesting that yeah, brittle because we, I feel like we’ve we’ve advanced, you know, the business science to like this height of efficiency, right, like Toyota Production System and lean systems and, you know, total quality management.

    And now we’re realizing like, wow, this is that’s smart, but it’s, it doesn’t deal with the reality of it.

    So where do we go from there? And is it sounds like you know, you know, maybe this is a place that, you know, AI computers,

    Christopher Penn 47:00

    here’s the thing, everybody seems up TPS, nobody gets TPS, right, except for Toyota, Toyota’s never said everything should be just in time and you know, when the last part runs out, the truck rolls up.

    So it is said that should be the case for non essential things and that in the actual Toyota Production System, essential parts are still backlogged.

    Right, there’s still you still carry inventory, you may not carry as much.

    But there is absolutely, you know, some resilience in the in the original Toyota system, if you look at the way Toyota Corporation, does it, if you look at everyone’s bad implementation, because they’ve just read it an HBr business case, yeah, they made their supply chains very, very, very foolishly brittle.

    Luke Schantz 47:45

    That’s interesting.

    And you’re right.

    I mean, people, we love to kind of boil it down to a simple answer and think we’re following it.

    But the devil is, is really in the details.

    And I just did, I just did read one of those cases.

    That’s what I was thinking about it.

    It was, it was about the Kentucky plant.

    And like some problem with seats in the late 90s.

    With Yeah, it’s a Yeah, it’s a pain points, but they figured it out.

    JJ Asghar 48:12

    I just went to the office.

    Luke Schantz 48:17

    It’s so funny, you say that when I was reading that report, I was like, Oh, I get this joke.

    And as a deeper level, that is what the TPS report was i i didn’t realize it when I was watching the film.

    But yes.

    Jason Juliano 48:29

    I was about to say Walmart was a early adopter with the Whole Food Trust thing.

    You know, just identifying, like, you know, bad food, providing more food safety, for safety for consumers.

    And identifying where that bad, bad food evil like it came from.

    Right.

    So you came from, like, specific shipping container or specific form.

    JJ Asghar 48:51

    That is truly one of our best use cases.

    And like, it’s so visceral, because we all need food.

    Right? Like that’s, that’s the way we live as humans, is we need food, and to be able to identify using using the blockchain to figure out that it was this one in less than a couple of hours compared to the possible days, if not weeks, where you have that bad food out there.

    That’s, that blows your mind? Yes.

    Okay, I get it.

    There’s a lot of work around it to get to that point.

    But imagine with if we started getting all that visibility into the, for lack of better term observability into our supply chains to what Chris was saying earlier, you’d be able to preemptively figure a lot of this stuff out, and then, you know, rub some Kubernetes and OpenShift and some AI on top of it too.

    And then all of a sudden, we’re all making scope snowboarders.com or something like that.

    Christopher Penn 49:51

    Yeah, I mean, if you did any kind of predictive stuff, if you have the data, right, if you have good data underpinning it, you can forecast and all For a lot of things, is just getting that data and making sure that it’s, it’s good.

    That’s the hard part.

    Luke Schantz 50:08

    And speaking of supply chain and food, it came up in the comments here, it is worth mentioning that, you know, the, the global disruption that we’re seeing now, because of the war in Ukraine is going to severely affect wheat specifically, right, as well as fertilizers.

    And this is going to be a disaster that could affect many places, their food security, mainly Africa.

    So it’s worth mentioning, and it’s a solid point, but it really brings home how important you know these things.

    It’s funny to you know, these things, they seem boring, like, we’re just, you know, doing some back office thing, but really, you know, figuring these problems out, we can actually have a huge impact and create a very, you know, towards sustainability again, but also just, you know, quality of life for people.

    Christopher Penn 50:56

    Yeah, well, it’s not just Africa, India, Indonesia, Pakistan, they consume, like 20% of Ukraine’s wheat.

    When it comes to corn, for example, China takes 28% of the Ukraine’s corn.

    So there’s, it’s interesting, this nation is at the heart of Agriculture and Commerce for a, basically that half of the planet.

    And it’s one of those things that you don’t realize how important it is until it’s gone until it’s not operating correctly, they missed this spring harvest, their spring planting, so there will be no spring planting for all of these crops, their seed oils.

    There, they’ve had taken an enormous amount of infrastructure damage for things like railways and stuff.

    So they export iron ore semi finished iron products, all over Europe.

    And we have not even begun to see the long term effects of this yet.

    I mean, it’s interesting as, as much as, as people are looking at the sanctions on Russia, what came out of Ukraine are precursor materials for everything.

    And so you have these ripple effects that again, we’re only now going to see, here’s how this one thing, this seed oil that was made in Ukraine, which would go to Pakistan to go to India, which would eventually become your burrito.

    Burrito that you buy at the store is going to either be more expensive, or it’s gonna be harder to get.

    But you don’t you would know this.

    Now, if you had that blockchain audit trail, like here’s your burrito.

    And here’s the 200 things that are connected to it to make this this microwavable burrito possible.

    And it speaks to companies needs to also have the ability to spin up domestic production.

    Right? Nobody had masks for what the first four months.

    I remember.

    I have a because I’m a bit of a weird person.

    I had a bunch of supplies stockpiled in my basement.

    And a friend of mine, who was a nurse said, Hey, do you have anything because we have literally no masks in our ER, like, yeah, we can have like, you know, the mid fives and stuff.

    But I have military grade stuff to which doesn’t work in an ER.

    And they’re like, how did you get these and like, I’ve had these for a while because I believe in, you know that things happen that are bad.

    You should have stuff prepared.

    But as companies as corporations, we don’t think that way we’re so used to, I’ll just go out and buy it.

    Well, sometimes Russia invades you and you can’t buy it.

    Jason Juliano 53:23

    We got to prepare for via coproducer.

    Craig Mullins 53:27

    But what else you have in your basement? I’m gonna buy some of it.

    Luke Schantz 53:34

    I’m gonna start reading Chris’s blog.

    Yeah, he knows what’s up.

    Jason Juliano 53:38

    I was reading a report, Chris, that I just found out a couple of weeks ago that Ukraine apparently is the biggest supplier exporter for fertilizer.

    So that’s a huge disruption in our supply chain.

    Christopher Penn 53:56

    Yeah.

    Harvard has the atlas of economic complexity.

    It’s on Harvard’s website.

    It’s fascinating.

    Like you can bring up a visualization and see here’s exactly what this country imports and exports how much you know how many billions of dollars and you’re like, I had no idea the supply chain for that.

    Just that country was that complex?

    JJ Asghar 54:19

    Unfortunately, there’s no real easy answer to any of this.

    Like we’re, we’re just going to be affected by this situation right now.

    The

    Christopher Penn 54:26

    easy answers don’t invade people, but Oh, yeah.

    Yeah, totally.

    Totally.

    JJ Asghar 54:29

    I didn’t take that back.

    But

    Elizabeth Joseph 54:32

    yeah, world peace.

    Let’s do it.

    Yeah, there you go.

    Christopher Penn 54:39

    That was the joke about that.

    But at the same time, one of the things that’s really not discussed enough, particularly with stuff like AI and automation, is that and I was thinking about this with the security part of today’s keynote.

    We don’t really ever talk about how How to deal with bad actors getting a hold of the same technology that the good guys have, right? You know, when you think about quantum computing, right? Well as as Craig was saying, you were talking about something that can basically shatter all existing cryptography.

    Right? How do you keep that out of the hands of people who would do bad things with it?

    Steven Perva 55:22

    Yeah, that was a good question.

    I was in a, an out of band conversation with somebody else is talking about quantum safe cryptography and how people are harvesting data today with the with the intent to decrypt that data and use it later.

    And I was like, how much of my data is so dynamic and move so quickly, that what they’ve gotten already is not still relevant to who I am, say, like, where I live, I don’t move all that often what my social security number is, I don’t change that I haven’t changed my email since probably the day I started it.

    Right? So these are all pieces of data about me that I’m like, what does that mean, for me, as an individual with this, with what I’ll call is like, heritage data, stuff that just not going to change about who I am like, you know, that’s, that’s always something that I’m like, Oh, what is quantum safe cryptography cryptography going to do to save me from that, and probably we’ll be talking about AI is going to save me from someone’s impersonating me and someone is, is trying to do things that I typically wouldn’t do, right?

    Christopher Penn 56:26

    Yeah, no deep fakes are an example.

    What’s what spots deep fakes right now more than anything, is when somebody does the audio wrong, right video is actually easy to easier to fake than audio.

    When you look at a deep Fake, fake piece of audio, what the computers always seem to get wrong is they always ignore the non audible frequencies.

    And so you can see when a piece of audio has been generated as Oh, no one paid attention to the background noise.

    And as a result, it’s clearly a generated sample.

    But that’s a known, you know, one of the other things that we have to deal with is Okay, open source is great, but it and it levels the playing field, which means the bad guys also have exactly access to the exactly the same tools.

    JJ Asghar 57:08

    That’s a conversation that comes up all the time inside of the open source fees.

    Here’s where, you know, like, those bad actors, they come along.

    And I mean, I make the joke that if you don’t keep keep an eye on your cloud costs, in general, it’s really easy for someone to come along with a container and start churning through for some mining of some sort.

    And it’s literally a container you pull from like Docker Hub now, and it just starts churning away your money.

    So you have to keep an eye on what what the usage is, where the things come from.

    And that expires from open source communities where they’re like, hey, I want to make it really easy to build a bitcoin miner, or whatever, to go do those things.

    To highlight the double edged sword that is open source.

    Like the history guess, that kind of takes us into monetization.

    I mean, I did mention Bitcoin and, you know, containers.

    So Steve, you you had some you had some thoughts around monetization, didn’t you?

    Steven Perva 58:12

    Yeah, absolutely.

    So So for me, I am, I’m always fighting this topic of modernization, especially in the mainframe space, right? People, people tend to associate the term with, with evacuating the mainframe in favor of, say, a cloud platform.

    And I’m always trying to believe it or not my title back, probably just a few weeks ago, used to be modernization engineer, I’ve been going through and scrubbing that right? Because it’s no longer my title, because of that confusion is now innovation engineer, something that really, that really got me that was kind of an undertone in all the different conversations that were happening today, I think, that really excited me was this idea of, of modernization and how, how those elements of culture play into that, right, and how how people who can’t, can’t change quickly find themselves suffering.

    I have a few notes here.

    And as hopefully, as we dig along this conversation, I can continue to dig those up and, and make value valid points here.

    But I see that I see that a lot of it was just simply, if you can’t get your your culture to today’s standards, you’re going to find that adopting new technology is going to be is going to be tough.

    And and for first, especially the younger, younger folks, we’re finding these conversations like sustainability, or finding conversations like equity are things that are very, very important to us, as well as a lot of progressive other folks.

    And those are conversations that we want to have today.

    And we focus on those topics when we’re talking about business success, so So not only Yes, can I access my data, can I access it in real time? But is the company I’m doing business with? Is it something someone that I would want to be representative of right so so use especially with the the Ukraine conflict, you saw people calling out companies that are not ceasing operations and people are choosing not to do business with them.

    This simply this does not align with who I am as an individual.

    I, a business is not just the output anymore.

    And I find that to be to be a really strong piece.

    And I think that’s a facet of modernization, right? It’s the modern face of people how people are doing business today.

    Elizabeth Joseph 1:00:26

    Yeah, that was actually brought up today where they said like, it’s not just about the stockholders are related to like, your, your shareholders, right? It’s, it’s about your stakeholders.

    And that includes, you know, everyone’s from your employees and your customers and the entire world.

    So that was really interesting that they brought that up, too.

    Steven Perva 1:00:43

    Yeah.

    And so kind of just back on that that security topic, right.

    I think it was Seamus, who mentioned that, that security and compliance and flexibility.

    They’re just not nice to haves anymore, right? So, so back in the back, when when I first started computing, cryptography was was kind of just let’s XOR a bunch of things together, and bam, it’s encrypted, right? Now we’ve got all these very elaborate encryption algorithms.

    And, and it’s just not, it’s just a has to be it’s not something that we just Oh, yeah, we can encrypt the data, we might as well that way, nobody gets that.

    But now that that has to be the standard for everything.

    And that’s something that that people are starting to value more and more right, as I don’t recall who it was.

    But they said, compliance is now a requirement.

    And a breach is a is a big no go people will just not do business with anybody who’s done, who’s not keeping my data secure.

    And they’re and they’ve been breached.

    That’s this kind of a death knell for any company at this point.

    Christopher Penn 1:01:48

    Isn’t it though, I mean, if you look at the number of companies who have been breached, there’s like Target still in business, a Walmart still in business.

    I think we are collected understands how important this stuff is.

    But given some of the things you see, you know, the general public doing and what they value, securities, it’s an inconvenience.

    And when you watch how people behave with security, you know, everything from post it notes with all their passwords on it, to, to being subject to social engineering, which I think is probably the biggest vulnerability we have.

    Security is not that big of a deal outside of the people who are who get fired if it’s implemented correctly.

    Right.

    Elizabeth Joseph 1:02:38

    It was also product, how like governments are getting into this game, too.

    Like there’s laws out there now and certain countries.

    So it’s not, it’s not even that people are boycotting them.

    It’s you can’t do business in our country, if you’re not going to be securing the data.

    And I think that has to be a really important component of this, even though it’s really inconvenient to us.

    I know, when a lot of the GDPR stuff came down.

    We’re all like, oh, but you know, you know, looking back at that a few years later, like, it was really good.

    And I think it changed our, you know, infrastructure in our industry for the better for sure.

    Craig Mullins 1:03:11

    Yep.

    Whenever anyone talks about regulations and compliance, I always have two questions.

    What’s the penalty for not being in compliance? Who’s the police.

    So you know, you can put any penalty you want on it, if you’re not policing it.

    I don’t care.

    So you got to have stiff penalties and good policing, and implement those penalties when you’re against it.

    And unfortunately, a lot of regulations GDPR is not one of them.

    But there are regulations that just don’t have any teeth to them.

    You know, and I go back to this whole sustainability thing.

    It’s great, you know, we want to be sustainable.

    And you mentioned, you know, that during the conference, they said, it’s not just your shareholders, it’s your stakeholders, and it’s a public at large.

    And it’s like, If only that were true, I really wish that were the case.

    But it’s all greed.

    You know, maybe I’m just an old, Cranky man who looks at what’s going on in the world and saying, you know, that company is going to do what puts dollars in its pockets.

    And that’s it.

    And so unless we figure out a way to make sustainability, put dollars in the company’s pockets, it’s not gonna happen.

    Christopher Penn 1:04:26

    Yeah, it’s absolutely true.

    If you look at the stats, that they’re saying, No, where the push comes from is from the consumer.

    If the consumer says I will buy the brand, that is sustainable, and I will pay more for the sustainable brand.

    If if there’s enough of that a company will say in its own rational interest, okay, let’s make our products sustainable because we can get a net a higher net profit margin off of being sustainable than not, but that’s where it’s got to come from.

    Craig Mullins 1:04:54

    True.

    And that’s a first world solution.

    I mean, you’re talking about people who are wealthy enough to pay more There are people who are not wealthy enough to pay more.

    And they’re always going to be going to Walmart to get that cheap shirt.

    And who can blame them? Because that’s what they can afford.

    So getting greed out of it is tough.

    And, you know, I, I’m pulling for it to happen.

    But I’m very, very skeptical.

    Steven Perva 1:05:23

    Yeah, I

    JJ Asghar 1:05:24

    think, correct.

    Could we have a comment from the audience about what you’ve been saying, which is, oh, this is a reactive way to do the business.

    I’d like to see companies do the right thing, because it’s the right thing to do.

    Craig Mullins 1:05:35

    I like that tuning.

    I, but but that is not what is going to drive shareholder value.

    That’s not what is going to get the board of directors to keep the CEO in business.

    It just, it just isn’t.

    So hopefully, we see the you know, things change.

    And you look at when you look at sustainability as an overall issue.

    It’s like, what’s the future of the earth? And that’s when it becomes a political issue.

    And I have no earthly idea how it ever became a political issue.

    But it’s like, if you have children, you should care about sustainability.

    What’s going to happen to your child when you’re dead? Do you want them to fry up? Or do you want them to live? And it’s as simple as that.

    But unfortunately, greed of people who live right now, sometimes is more important than worrying about people who are going to be living 5080 years from now,

    Christopher Penn 1:06:41

    one thing that is common here, though, that I think is worth pointing out is companies and countries have no morals, they have no morals whatsoever.

    They only have self interest.

    No country ever does something just because it’s the right thing to do.

    Countries behave in their in self interest.

    The world is reacting to Ukraine, not because it’s the right thing to do.

    But because it is in our self interest to have a weakened Russia, right is in our self interest heavy Russia is military and capable of conquering its neighbors that is a self interested thing to do.

    And you’ll notice that like when people watch the reactions, it was only until day three, when it was pretty clear, oh, Russia is not going to steamroll Ukraine.

    In fact, Ukraine is gonna punch them in the mouth repeatedly, that there was like, hey, this could work to our advantage.

    Sustainability is the same thing.

    We don’t we as people will make moral choices when we buy big companies, the company does not have morals, the company only has self interests.

    And we have to figure out how to make sustainability in the self interest of the company to say like, yes, let’s do this, because it’s profitable.

    And, and we can make it work.

    AI comes in good girl.

    Gabriela de Queiroz 1:07:53

    Now, that’s a very complicated discussion here.

    And I think it’s also like cultural change.

    And there are so many implications.

    And one thing that we haven’t talked yet in Luke and JJ, I’m kind of like, going ahead, but one of the things I think we should talk that we didn’t talk about think is the whole Arvon, Keynote, and everything that he talked about, you know, the takeaways on successful leadership and transformation during these times, right.

    So I would love for us to address a little bit on that topic, because it was, at least for me, it was such an important topic that he was talking and discussing.

    And it’s something that we see in companies and the whole in the whole environment right now.

    It’s like, how do you scale? You know, how do you deploy? How do you need to make sure that there is a scale on the leadership to in order to do that the other thing that he just said, I think it was very interesting.

    It’s like, it has became a world of show, don’t tell, right.

    And then he said, you know, we need to transform the organization and to be like doors.

    So we need to work with somebody, we need to work with others, we need to work with partners.

    And also important point is like, we need to give the credit, who it belongs to, like belongs to the partner, and in and so on, and he talks about teamwork, so I felt like it was so different to hear from him.

    And not different in a way that I was not expecting but different because he touched on very important pieces that we don’t see a leader talking much specially about people about teamwork about being Doer about giving credit, so I thought it was fantastic.

    JJ Asghar 1:09:48

    It’s takes a little extra, right? It takes it takes a village to be successful.

    And that’s what that’s what everyone was saying.

    And from what I got out of it, which was, you know, we all we all have to meet at the same same field to, you know, build the barn or whatever I’m, I’m extending this metaphor way too far.

    Gabriela de Queiroz 1:10:08

    And exactly, and it’s not only about tools, right? No matter like the tools that we have, or like, we can talk about the whole hybrid cloud, like when we expanded.

    And now we don’t need to work only with IBM, we can have, you know, the compatibility to work with different providers, right.

    So like, it’s a team that takes you to make the transformation.

    Elizabeth Joseph 1:10:30

    Yeah, and it also came up in the discussion with Red Hat as well, where they brought up open source software and how, you know, things like Linux and Kubernetes, which OpenShift is built on are, you know, they’re the communities that developed that open source software, it’s more than one company can do.

    And that’s really where the value comes from, is like, so many people out there working on this, who have different interests, and different different goals, have really built some remarkable things out there in the open source world that we’ve, you know, then gone on to build products on, and we couldn’t have done it without them.

    Craig Mullins 1:11:02

    And this is really all part of IBM’s, let’s create campaign, which I think was brilliant.

    I mean, it’s a really great way of defining the company, as you know, what do we do we help you create, and it’s not just us, we bring in this whole community, to help you create, and then you become part of that community as you create.

    It’s a great message.

    Yeah,

    Gabriela de Queiroz 1:11:25

    so he says, like, you know, we have partners, we bring open source, you know, we invite the clients, so it’s, it’s such a different speech, from, from what I’ve seen in the past, right?

    Jason Juliano 1:11:39

    It’s really changing the mindset of, you know, everyone’s culture, right.

    So to co create and CO collaborate with internal team members, partners, suppliers,

    Steven Perva 1:11:51

    something that Arvin mentioned was any very briefly said something about taking the ego out of it, I thought that was really profound.

    That’s something that’s really important to me, especially when you collaborate, you know, with with coworkers, colleagues, especially when you work, cross generational working with people that are, that are of a different generation for you, taking the ego out of that, and having, having that respect for one another.

    And I think, I think to kind of, hopefully tie it back and in some way to the to the point we were just talking about is this democratization of of the way we do things.

    That’s, that’s huge.

    I think it empowers individuals to get to get involved in in solutioning.

    Together, that lead somebody who’s who’s not maybe affiliated with a large company that has the talent to to contribute to open source to make their voice heard right to say, Yeah, you know, Chris had mentioned that consumers and countries may be self interested.

    But if we’re all involved in these open source initiatives, we can have our voices heard in that regard, as well, without relying on the corporate machine to do all the work for us, right.

    I think that’s really important.

    Christopher Penn 1:13:02

    Let’s create some fun thing too, because for years, decades, IBM has been like, hey, buy our thing, right? Hey, here’s, here’s a new piece of iron, buy our thing.

    And it’s like, you know, the the appliance store, hey, buy our new blender.

    And let’s create says, Hey, why don’t you try cooking, and oh, by the way, you’re gonna need appliances, and IBM will provide them it’s a smarter way of saying, let’s create stuff together.

    And you’re going to need chefs and recipes and ingredients and appliances, probably from IBM as it’s a better way to thinking about it.

    Elizabeth Joseph 1:13:34

    And having studied like mainframe history myself, like, it’s a throwback to what we’ve always done.

    I mean, the share organization has been around since the 1950s.

    And that’s an organization of like minded folks in the industry who brought socialist IBM and the IBM like, Oh, that’s a good idea.

    Let’s do that.

    So it’s kind of coming full circle.

    And of course, that organization still exists to

    Craig Mullins 1:13:55

    marketing.

    You don’t talk about the product, you talk about the aspiration, right? Nike isn’t saying buy our shoes.

    They’re saying, Here’s Michael Jordan, look at the shoes he’s wearing.

    JJ Asghar 1:14:06

    Yeah, the ability to offer open open source and how IBM encourages open source work.

    And us, as open source developer advocates are in that space.

    We actually get to be there with that part of the community and be able to say, hey, we can we are encouraged to be part of the external communities and create that thing.

    It there’s a Venn diagram there, that where that intersection happens.

    We can say yes, of course, like you’re planning on going down this path.

    OpenShift can actually make your life great.

    But by the way, I’ve actually committed to OpenShift, right, like I actually understand that this can be part of your value prop.

    And that’s so empowering to you on this point.

    It’s a major change and for IBM and it’s only only for the better

    Luke Schantz 1:15:02

    And it’s interesting the mechanism, right that all of these companies that have sort of, you know, a company mission, and they need to make profit and do that thing, but they choose to be part of foundations and organizations that have rules and codes of conduct.

    And, and, and part of it is they will benefit in the long run, but it’s that process is something we can feel better about.

    And it’s very interesting to to hear that, like, you know, other aspects like now attracting the talent that you’re going to want to work at your company.

    If you don’t have these values, you know, you might think you’re making that, you know, Beeline right towards the fastest profit and the minimizing costs.

    But if you don’t do it in the right way, your customers are going to abandon you and you’re not going to be able to have the employees, they don’t want to work that way.

    Exactly.

    Steven Perva 1:15:50

    I think a good point to that to mention is is I don’t recall who it was.

    But somebody had said that the pandemic was, I think it was the gentleman Amir from from discover that said that the pandemic was not just a disruption, but it was really just an opportunity for us all to learn.

    And I think I think we’re seeing the consequence of that as well.

    I’m, I’m fully remote, right, you’re really empowering people to live their lives and be individuals outside of their corporate identity.

    And I think I think the more that movement moves forward, the more you’re going to see that the the incentives of corporations start to align with the individuals more so than it aligns to just flat out profits.

    I mean, don’t get me wrong, obviously, everybody wants to make money, including individuals, but but I think we would like to do that in a sustainable, equitable and responsible way.

    Jason Juliano 1:16:40

    In stapling, we’ve innovated in the last two years, faster than we 10 years.

    So, so much easily done the last 24 months.

    Christopher Penn 1:16:52

    Yeah, I mean, the pandemic requires everything to the point where you have so many you haven’t you had a great resignation, because people had a chance to step back, or they were let go.

    And they went, wow, I’ve just been spending the last 235 10 years of my life doing a job I hate.

    Stop doing that now.

    And now, everyone has at this point of reckoning going well, if we want to attract talent, we maybe have to be a workplace that doesn’t suck to work at.

    JJ Asghar 1:17:23

    Okay.

    So hey, look, I want to be calling to the people’s time.

    And we’re coming up to the end.

    Do you want to take it around the horn one more time asking what? Something to do or follow? There’s, I’m supposed to say this, and I’m completely stumbling on the words this is amazing.

    I’m a professional speaker to this is great.

    So look at talking about it.

    Luke Schantz 1:17:49

    I’m going to do it.

    I’m not sure exactly what he just asked me to do.

    Pull it off.

    So yeah, let’s let’s let’s go around and see let’s give everybody an opportunity to sort of wrap it up have a final point, if there’s something that we are talking about that we didn’t get back to and and you wanted to sort of get that point in, before we get to wrap up.

    And if there’s anybody listening, we did get a bunch of chats coming through, they were more comments than questions.

    And we have they asked me anything after this.

    So feel free to chime in there.

    But if you have more questions, you can drop them in there.

    And we’ll try to squeeze them in at the end.

    But yeah, let’s just go around around the call, give everybody a chance to sort of some aid and mention anything that they didn’t get to mention earlier in the call.

    So why don’t we Liz, you’re, you’re next to me in the window.

    Why don’t we start? I guess it would be that way.

    Elizabeth Joseph 1:18:38

    Yeah, I mean, the one thing I think we didn’t really talk about much was was how like, diverse with regard to, you know, human diversity and industry diversity.

    And like, it was just there were so many interesting stories during the event this morning.

    That it really it really brought me in.

    Like it wasn’t just a bunch of folks from IBM telling me things, it was real companies and people who are making a real difference in the world.

    And that that really brought it home for me and made it an enjoyable event.

    So I’m really happy that they were able to weave a lot of that in.

    Unknown Speaker 1:19:09

    Excellent, thank you.

    Gabriela

    Gabriela de Queiroz 1:19:13

    Yeah, I think we were able to cover a good chunk.

    And I’m very excited for tomorrow to see what’s coming.

    So just need to make sure that everybody is going to tune in and follow the broadcast tomorrow.

    There are some very interesting again, what Lee said is like not only IBM IRAs, but like people from different industries, and different companies and it’s great to hear what they have to say as well.

    Luke Schantz 1:19:39

    Thank you.

    How about Steven, you’re you’re below Gabriella.

    Steven Perva 1:19:44

    I wasn’t sure which way you’re gonna go.

    to mentally prepare.

    I really want to echo what Liz says the stories of the creators that they featured today just astounded me right.

    It was it was people that were approaching problems in a way that’s just non traditional extremely exciting to see the breadth of, of ages represented there and the breadth of the type of people that was really fascinating.

    And honestly, they’re just the type of folks that are going to change the world, right? Sometimes we sit back, we see what’s going on in the news.

    We see all that.

    And then we just say, what’s going to happen? These are the people that make it happen.

    Right.

    That was just really awesome to see that right there.

    And a quick few bits.

    I think, I hope I don’t step on your toes here, Craig.

    But opening data to the to the world at large is is the right the right answer, right.

    It’s a big endorsement for something that Craig’s very passionate about.

    It empowers us all and empowers us to make informed decisions, and empowers us to to see things that we perhaps didn’t see before, set our own goals and accomplish our tasks.

    And something that I guess I’ll stop talking here, but the hybrid cloud bid, that is just something fit for purpose, designing the right workload for the appropriate platform.

    That’s something that I’m very passionate about, especially with my work with the mainframe, and the distributed side of the house.

    These are all things that I just just can’t get enough of.

    And I’m grateful to be here to be able to talk about it.

    Luke Schantz 1:21:11

    Thank you, Steven.

    And Craig, I feel like you’re queued up your that he he didn’t take it away from heat queued up the data you’re ready to?

    Craig Mullins 1:21:18

    He loved me a big old softball.

    So yeah, I obviously I’m going to talk about data.

    Yeah, and one of the things that I I’d like to put out there is sometimes I’m calling to work on projects.

    And it’s happened more than once, where an organization is saying we’re working on this project where we want to capture and store this type of data.

    And we do a little bit more digging, realize they already have it.

    People don’t manage their data.

    So they need to really put a infrastructure in place that allows them to do that.

    And really take a look at things like data fabric, and data mesh.

    And these are things that are cooperative, they’re a little bit different.

    Whereas Data Fabric is technology centric data mesh is more process and organizational centric.

    But both of them can work together to allow you to know what data do we have? How do we manage the state of where does it come from? Where does it go to? And you’d be amazed at the number of organizations who just can’t answer those simple questions.

    So some connect cloud pack for data.

    That’s the IBM Selectric.

    Take a look at it.

    Look at what you could do with that and augment it with other data fabric and data, mes solutions, build up your data management capability.

    So that then you can drive things like AI and machine learning and all the other things that we’ve been talking about today.

    Christopher Penn 1:22:50

    Thank you, Craig.

    Luke Schantz 1:22:52

    Best, what have you got for us? What’s your your summation? I am most

    Christopher Penn 1:22:55

    excited about the possibilities behind quantum machine learning.

    And here’s why we’ve established that quantum computing is going to rip cryptography to shreds as it stands, right? The existing cryptography is toast.

    This us our DNA is the code we’ve been trying to crack for millennia.

    When you put the power of quantum machine learning against our genome, we have no idea what it’s going to unlock.

    But it’s basically going to solve a lot of questions that we have about how we function as living organisms, and open the door to reprogramming our cells, right? reprogram our hardware to be better to adapt with our machines.

    So I think quantum machine learning, I’m excited to learn more about it and to see what IBM is doing with it.

    But I think that’s a frontier.

    We don’t even understand the questions much less the answers, but they’re going to change the world.

    Luke Schantz 1:23:52

    Thank you.

    And I’m I want to like now I want to talk for another hour and a half about that.

    That’s and what is he going to put in his basement now? It’s gonna be

    Craig Mullins 1:24:02

    cloning machine.

    Luke Schantz 1:24:03

    Yes.

    Yeah.

    I’m into it.

    I’m a swell guy.

    So.

    All right.

    Jason, what have you got for us?

    Jason Juliano 1:24:13

    Yeah, I would say, let’s create a date three and just create a day three and quantum computer.

    JJ Asghar 1:24:19

    There we go.

    Jason Juliano 1:24:22

    So yeah, I just love the new IBM Campaign.

    Let’s create right, so let’s create with our team members club, you know, with our partners, you know, that co creation, co collaboration? And then yeah, so solving problems with leveraging these emerging technologies with AI automation, Blockchain, use them as you know, tools to to solve, you know, the challenges that we currently have in the globe.

    And then piggybacking from what Steve, Steve mentioned, is, yeah, opening up the data, you know, open data empowers open innovation.

    So let’s say yeah, that definitely sums it up for me.

    Luke Schantz 1:25:05

    Excellent.

    Thank you, Jason.

    And, you know, we have a question that came through.

    And I think we have a few minutes that we can we can get to it.

    So the question is, Steven talked earlier about misconceptions of what mainframe modernization means? Many people agree.

    It’s, it’s bringing new ideas and practices to a trusted platform.

    So I believe it may be Herbert Daley is asking this, how do we win back the narrative and change that false perception of around what this means?

    Steven Perva 1:25:35

    Yeah, that’s, that’s a great, that’s a great opinion.

    And I’m glad that people agree with me, that’s not a thing that happens to me all too terribly often.

    For me, I feel like the the approach to changing that narrative is, is one to be very clear about what modernization means when we do talk about it.

    Right.

    And I think, I think to talk about what the modern mainframe is, and we tend to talk about it corporately, on my side of the fence as the modern connected IBMC.

    Right.

    And, and that, to me means more than just talking to talk, that means more than just saying, Yeah, we’re going to adopt new technology, we’re going to adopt new languages, we’re going to start writing new workloads in these different languages.

    But it means actually walking the walk alongside of that, right, start bringing people to develop on these platforms using these new languages, right, start start pulling this technology out, because as we on the mainframe know, we know that the mainframe is is more more modern than probably any platform.

    Right? It’s, it’s the stick in the ground that everyone measures from.

    And that is something that I think that that that that’s very helpful for moving that forward and making it very clear about that saying, Yeah, this is this is where we come from, this is where we’re going.

    And oh, by the way, we’re actually doing it.

    We’re not just talking about it all the time.

    And maybe Correct, yeah, so I would hope that you had something to get in on that.

    Craig Mullins 1:27:02

    Whenever anyone says the term to me mainframe modernization, I say, I have no idea what you mean.

    There’s no such thing as mainframe modernization.

    Let’s talk about application modernization.

    The mainframe is a modern platform, you’re not modernizing it, IBM is modernizing it, it’s as modern as you can get.

    So you want to modernize something, modernize your 50 year old code, we can modernize it, and still get it running on the mainframe, and have the best of both worlds.

    So let’s reframe the discussion and get rid of mainframe instead of in front of modernization.

    We’re modernizing other things.

    Elizabeth Joseph 1:27:42

    Thank you also, you know, with with your title change, right, you’re you’re using the word innovation, instead of modernization, I think shifting the conversation that way.

    And another thing, you know, something that I do in my own work is I meet the technologists where they are like, I gave a talk at cube con, I think in 2019.

    And I said, Wait, you can run Kubernetes on the mainframe.

    And that was the title of my talk, right? I got in trouble.

    No, I’m just kidding.

    But it was, you know, I’m going to the developers and the you know, not showing them exactly what we’re doing.

    And like, not just, you know, talking to folks who are already using mainframe, but getting out there in the community, and broadening the message and you know, showing that it’s a modern platform.

    And just, you know, starting that conversation has been transformational even.

    Luke Schantz 1:28:24

    Could, could you unpack that a little bit more just if folks aren’t familiar? And I feel like the way I understand it, and maybe this isn’t the best way to explain it.

    But it’s the way I understand it’s like the difference between scaling horizontal and scaling vertical in the difference been like, why isn’t modernizing the mainframe moving to the cloud? Right? It’s not the same thing.

    We’re talking apples and oranges here.

    Could you if folks aren’t familiar? And we were kind of talking around it, but could you just spell it out? Like what’s what’s the difference? And why is it

    Elizabeth Joseph 1:28:50

    so cool? I think it’s something that that’s been brought up a few times, and it’s about putting the proper workload in the proper place.

    And that’s, you know, that means, you know, some things should go on the cloud.

    And some things need to stay on the mainframe.

    And that’s really the decisions that you need to be making based on horizontal, vertical scaling, different ways that that your applications work.

    Craig Mullins 1:29:10

    Another way that I would answer that question is, is there enough cloud computing power to take every myth that’s running on the mainframe and process it if we converted it all to the cloud today? If that was even possible, you’d have to have your cloud service providers scale out tremendously in order to take on all that workload, all those billions of lines of COBOL code.

    And that’s just one type of thing that runs on the mainframe.

    Elizabeth Joseph 1:29:40

    Yeah, and moving all that around.

    I mean, networking, you know, the network becomes a big huge Auphonic there.

    JJ Asghar 1:29:46

    Right? We can break physics is fine.

    We don’t need to worry about physics anymore.

    Luke Schantz 1:29:52

    I don’t know if that’s true.

    My microwave disrupts my Wi Fi.

    I don’t think we’re gonna be problems just with the Internet.

    You Um, we are just about at a time and I just want to mention if folks are listening and you still have questions that we weren’t able to get to or things are still bounce around your head, jump over to community that ibm.com.

    And you can get into the, I think it’ll be called like the front porch roundtable asked me anything so you can hop over there and ask some more questions.

    It’s been a real pleasure having all of our guests here today.

    I mean, it really is.

    This is the brain share here.

    We really have quite a lot of human brain cycles on this.

    JJ Asghar 1:30:32

    I agree with you.

    This was painful, painful.

    I hated every moment of it.

    Yeah.

    Terrible.

    Error love.

    Luke Schantz 1:30:39

    I love your radical honesty, JJ.

    Thank you.

    Unknown Speaker 1:30:45

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  • Building Trusted AI Systems: A Fireside Chat with IBM

    Building Trusted AI Systems: A Fireside Chat with IBM

    I recently had the opportunity to sit down with Lauren Frazier from IBM to discuss how we go about building trusted AI systems in a fireside chat livestream. We covered a ton of ground.

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    What is Fair?

    Fairness is a difficult subject to tackle, because people have many different ideas of what constitutes fair treatment. In the context of things like bank loans, citizens’ rights, being hired for a job, etc. what is fair?

    The dictionary definition is both straightforward and unhelpful:

    “impartial and just treatment or behavior without favoritism or discrimination“”

    What constitutes fairness? This is where things get really messy. Broadly, there are four different kinds of fairness, and each has its own implementation, advantages, and pitfalls:

    • Blinded: all potential biased information is removed, eliminating the ability to be biased based on provided data
    • Representative parity: samples are built to reflect demographics of the population
    • Equal opportunity: everyone who is eligible gets a shot
    • Equal outcome: everyone who is eligible gets the same outcome

    For example, let’s say we’re hiring for a data scientist, and we want to hire in a fair way based on gender. We have a population breakdown where 45% identifies as male, 45% identifies as female, and 10% identifies as something else or chooses not to identify. With each of these types of fairness, how would we make the first step of hiring, interviewing, fair?

    • Blinded: gender and gender-adjacent data (like first names) are removed from applications.
    • Representative parity: our interview pool reflects the population. If we’re in China or India, there are 115 males for every 100 females, so our interview pool should look like that if we’re using representative parity.
    • Equal opportunity: we interview everyone who meets the hiring criteria until we reach 45% male, 45% female, 10% other.
    • Equal outcome: we interview everyone until we have second-round candidates in the proportions of 45% male, 45% female, 10% other.

    Each of these scenarios has its drawbacks as well, either on excluding qualified candidates or including unqualified candidates.

    • Blinded fairness doesn’t address underlying structural fairness problems. For example, if women feel excluded from data science jobs, then the pool of applicants would still reflect an overall bias, blinded or not.
    • Representative parity doesn’t address the structural fairness problem as well, though it does do slightly better than purely blinding data.
    • Equal opportunity may exclude qualified candidates in the majority, especially if there’s a substantial imbalance in the population, and potentially could include lower quality candidates in the minority.
    • Equal outcome may achieve the overall intended quality benchmarks but could take substantially longer to achieve the result – and depending on the imbalance, might not achieve a result in an acceptable timeframe.

    Why does any of this matter? These decisions already mattered when it was humans like you and me making decisions, but they matter much more when machines are making those decisions based on algorithms in their code, because the type of fairness – and its drawbacks – can have massive, even society-level impacts. From everything like determining what the minimum wage should be to who gets hired for a job to even who a company markets to, fairness algorithms can either reduce biases or magnify them.

    How should we be thinking about these kinds of algorithms? We have to approach them from a balance of what our ethics and values are, balanced with our business objectives. Our ethics and values will dictate which fairness approach we take.

    Many different simulation tools exist that can evaluate a dataset and provide projections about likely outcomes based on a variety of fairness metrics, like IBM’s AI Fairness 360 Toolkit and Google’s What If Toolkit. But the onus to think about and incorporate fairness techniques is on us, the humans, at every stage of decision-making.

    What Constitutes Trusted AI?

    What is trusted AI? It’s AI software that achieves four key traits:

    1. Fair
    2. Accountable
    3. Values Driven
    4. Explainable

    Let’s dig into each of these.

    AI should be fair. Since AI systems make so many decisions on our behalf, we need to know that the decisions it’s making are fundamentally fair. Fairness, as we discussed in previous issues of the newsletter, can be tricky to navigate in terms of outcomes, but the bare minimum standard of fairness is that AI does not discriminate on protected classes (age, gender, race, religion, disabiity, etc.) or inferred variables that correlate to protected classes. Every decision AI makes should at a minimum be blind to those considerations, except where permitted by law and ethics.

    AI should be accountable. When we build systems to make decisions, whether it’s who to show our ads to, what constitutes a valuable customer, our systems must inform the users – us, and our customers – how it made those decisions so that we can hold the system accountable. If an AI systemm declines your loan, it should explain what factors led to that decline. It’s not enough for the system to say a loan application was declined, but also spit out things like insufficient household income, or credit score below the required threshold – whatever variables used to make its decision should be communicated to the user.

    AI should be values-driven. This is a BIG one. Our AI systems – and their outcomes – have to match our values. If we claim we support, for example, non-discrimination based on age, and our AI models discriminate based on age, we have a system that’s out of alignment with our values.

    As an interesting side note, we often say that Facebook has built a system that fundamentally makes the world a worse place by amplifying negative emotions and promoting rampant misinformation. Interestingly, this doesn’t conflict with their core values: Be bold. Focus on impact. Move fast. Be open. Build social value. Nowhere in their statement of values do things like “engender happiness” or “make the world a better place” exist, so it should be no surprise to us that they build AI which is aligned with their values – even if it doesn’t align with our values.

    AI should be explainable. Ultimately, any AI model – which is nothing more than a piece of software – should be interpretable and explainable. How did a system make its decisions? What data did it learn from? What algorithms did it incorporate? When we know what’s in the engine, it’s much easier to fix it when it goes wrong. When we know what the ingredients are in our cooking, it’s much easier to correct our dishes.

    All this sounds great as abstract theory. This is what we want in systems that make decisions on our behalf, every day. The question is, how do we practically implement some of this?

    Building Trusted AI with IBM Cloud Pak for Data

    The system we discussed using to make trusted AI happen is IBM’s Cloud Pak for Data, which includes the service I use extensively, IBM Watson Studio. Why does a system matter? Aren’t there tons of best-of-breed tools out there?

    There are, but the integration is what matters when it comes to trusted AI, because you need common rules, common governance, common access controls, and common monitoring to ensure that your AI is doing what it’s supposed to be doing at every step of the process. Only integrated systems deliver that on the enterprise level, and IBM’s Cloud Pak for Data is one of the best solutions on the market.

    For production AI, nothing beats Watson Studio’s ability to monitor your machine learning models and alert you about models drifting away from the rules you’ve set – before you incur liability for them doing things they’re not supposed to do.

    Learn More at IBM THINK 2021

    Want to learn more about trusted AI? Join me and tens of thousands of folks at IBM THINK 2021 on May 11, 2021. Virtual, from your desktop, and totally free of cost, IBM THINK 2021 will let you talk to the folks making the goods and ask questions about how you’d approach your toughest AI software problems.

    Disclosures

    I am an IBM Champion, and my company, Trust Insights, is a registered IBM Business Partner. As such, anything you purchase from IBM through Trust Insights indirectly benefits me financially.

    Machine-Generated Transcript

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    Christopher Penn 0:12

    All right, everyone.

    Welcome This is implementing responsible trusted AI systems a fireside chat.

    I’m Chris here with Lauren Frazier from IBM.

    Today we want to talk about exactly what says in the box building trusted artificial intelligence.

    Before we begin just a bit of housekeeping, wherever it is you’re tuning in, please go ahead.

    And you know, leave a comment, let us know we’re in from if you are on, if you’re watching us on Facebook, you will need to go to streaming our.com slash Facebook, if you want us to know your names, if you just want to be, you know, anonymous cheater, or whatever in the comments, that is fine as well.

    But if you’re on Facebook, go ahead and leave your comments there after authenticating.

    So, Lauren, why don’t you introduce yourself real quick? Yeah,

    Lauren Frazier 0:54

    thanks for hosting us today, Chris.

    I’m Lauren Frazier.

    I’m an IBM Content Marketing Manager with IBM Cloud Pak for data.

    So that’s our leading data and AI platform runs on any cloud.

    And hey, we’re focused really on trustworthy AI right now.

    So the timing couldn’t be any better.

    So we can go ahead and kick it off.

    And you know, discuss the responsible AI, especially, you know, now the stakes are higher, right, AI can be used for good or if you use it wrong, it’ll have negative consequences, whether that means in money, financials, or just trust with your customers.

    So businesses that handle data, they can no longer just ignore the societal responsibilities, we really need to put that at the forefront of operationalizing.

    AI, how do we make a trustworthy? So Chris, my first question for you is, why is it important? And what implications are there in deploying AI, and while especially ensuring that responsible AI is infused within, you know,

    Christopher Penn 1:49

    it comes down to, if we want to trust something, we need to know that it’s going to operate, you know, with fairness and stuff, this there’s a lot that goes into trust.

    But fundamentally, we’re trying to roll out this technology as a society as a civilization to as many all these different applications, right mortgage and loan applications, criminal recidivism, more mundane stuff, like marketing effectiveness, which is sort of the area that I study.

    And we need to know that the machines are doing what we want them to do, and not exposing us to unnecessary risk.

    You know, there are no shortage of examples where AI hasn’t been used responsibly, right, it hasn’t been built to be trustworthy.

    And I think that we should probably, like, define what trustworthy means.

    If you go to research.ibm.com, there’s actually a really good whole section on trusted AI.

    But there’s four fundamental things that make AI trustworthy, fair, is it accountable? Is it values driven? And then is it explainable? Real quick, Lauren, when you think about fairness, what does what does that word mean to you, for fairness,

    Lauren Frazier 3:02

    for me means equality, it means, you know, people are being treated all the same, no matter what that data is used fairly.

    So that means data is used properly is used for the good of people, the good of the world, the good of making decisions and better business decisions, which ultimately brings in the money but also changes and impacts the world.

    And it doesn’t matter who and what that person does, but fairness is giving everybody that equal slate.

    Christopher Penn 3:31

    Yeah, it’s it’s challenging, because there’s different definitions of fairness, right.

    You know, some real simple examples.

    There’s, there’s what’s called blinded fairness, we say anything that is protected, your age, your race, your gender, that data is removed, it can’t be used for decision making.

    It’s collect the bare bones.

    But one of the things that AI is really good at is, is doing what’s called correlates, where you say, Okay, I may not know your age, but if you like, you know, Goonies.

    And you like, you know, I’m trying to go way back, like MC Hammer in the early days and stuff, we can infer your age, right, because you miss things that you’d like, I’ll have a certain time ministers.

    So that’s one aspect.

    A second would be what’s called representative parity, where if I’m trying to sample some data, I try to make the data represent the population.

    I used to work at a company in Atlanta, and on staff at 100.

    person company, there wasn’t a single black person.

    Yeah.

    Atlanta’s 54% black

    Lauren Frazier 4:42

    and pretty good community.

    Yeah,

    Christopher Penn 4:45

    exactly.

    So there was that’s a case where there is not representative parity.

    And then there’s a two where we have real significant philosophical debates.

    equality of opportunity and equality of outcome.

    equality of opportunity means we Get the same chance.

    Yeah, at that success, but success is left up to our individual merits.

    And then equality of outcome is no matter who we are, we all get the same thing.

    And there are definitely cases where, like COVID vaccines, we want equality of outcome, everybody gets it.

    Right.

    Lauren Frazier 5:17

    Everybody gets it.

    But you know how hard it was to get it AI could have been used more to drive who needs to get that first instead of us, for instance, me fighting over event bright in my mom, also in a whole other state trying to get my Nana has 90 a vaccine, AI could have helped us just improve that.

    And hopefully, we don’t have to see that going forward.

    But we will be ready.

    If something, you know, a health crisis does come up again.

    Christopher Penn 5:42

    Exactly.

    So fairness is part one of trusted AI to was accountability, where the machine tells us how it made us decisions.

    So I go to apply for a loan, and it says, Hey, Chris, your loan was denied for you know, because your credit score was below 670, or your household income was insufficient.

    But it should also tell us what wasn’t involved.

    This isn’t like, Hey, Chris, the fact that you’re a guy wasn’t a factor in the decision, the fact that you’re old.

    And we need our machines to tell us like this is how I made the decisions and a lot, again, a lot of machines, they’re very, very opaque they, they won’t tell us what’s going on.

    Number three is our AI should be values driven.

    And this is where I’m just gonna get myself into a whole bunch of trouble here are companies and the values that we have, as human beings informed the data that we put into these machines, AI is nothing more than a bunch of math, right? It’s not magic, it’s math.

    And it’s math, it’s trained on data.

    So the data we put in means that that’s what the machine learns to write its own code from, we have to have values that are aligned with the outcomes we want.

    There’s a power packet, you know, if you look at some of the things that like Facebook does, and they have been rightly criticized in the public press, for making some questionable decisions.

    And if you look at their core values, be bold, focus on impact, move fast, be open, build social value, at no point in there, does it say make the world a better place, make people healthier, promote truth, you know, these are other values that other companies might have.

    And so they’re AI reflects their values.

    So as part of trusted AI, you almost have to trust the company making the AI Yeah,

    Lauren Frazier 7:34

    and especially as a customer, we don’t, as a consumer of Facebook, or anything, or even just applying for an HR loan, or you know, even behind the scenes in HR applying for a mortgage loan, you don’t understand the big technology around it.

    So, you know, companies have to make sure that there’s a way that they can explain it, because I think you know, you don’t want to be in the court of law, you don’t want to be the front page on the news.

    And then that’s when your customer realizes, oh, wait, my data hasn’t been being used properly.

    So I mean, I guess with the rise of all of these events last year to including how we work in the pandemic, and some of these societal and political events, I think we all know of, I think data reflects a drastic changes in human behaviors itself.

    So as we kind of talked about already, the pandemic, but what else do you see that is different from last from this year from last? And why does this matter today and in the scope of AI?

    Christopher Penn 8:29

    Um, I want to go back real quick.

    There’s one more piece of of trust AI that I think matters to me answers this question really well is that is the difference between explainability and interpretability.

    AI has to be both of these things.

    The analogy that I love to use is, imagine you’re a famous restaurant, right? And you’re trying to figure out like, what would they use to make that chocolate cake? Just by tasting it, you can tell like, Okay, this is good, then you go home and try it yourself.

    like okay, I can’t I it’s not quite the same.

    That’s explainable.

    AI, right? Well, you see the outcome of the model and you go, Okay, this looks okay.

    It seems okay.

    interpretable AI is when you are in the kitchen with the chef watching them like, oh, you’re not using almond extract using cherry extract.

    That’s, that’s it this Oh, you you let that rise for a little bit longer than normal.

    Why do you do that? Like it helped develop the flavor of something.

    When we’re talking about interpretable versus explainable AI? A lot of companies are really pushing for explainable because it’s cost effective, to just say, Oh, yeah, the model did the right thing.

    See, the results are like, Yeah, but I don’t know that.

    If I am concerned about things like bias in my AI.

    That’s not good enough.

    One of the things I love about tools like IBM Watson Studio, is that it will in the AutoAI module, it’ll build a model, but then you push a button says turn this back into code, and then it turns it back into code.

    Now I can step through line by line and say, what decisions did you make How did you build this code? And I see some like, Ah, you did you something.

    I told you Not to do I can take that out.

    Because you’re right.

    in a court of law, I’m going to need to produce the code.

    Yeah.

    I honestly think that’s okay.

    For humans, we have a presumption in law that you’re innocent until proven guilty.

    I almost feel like with machines, it should be the reverse, like the machine should be suspected of bias until we can prove that it isn’t.

    And we prove it isn’t by producing the code.

    The challenge is, and the reason why so many tech companies don’t want to go that route, is it’s expensive.

    It’s cost cost inefficient.

    And it’s controversial.

    But going to your question about what’s different this year than last year.

    The pandemic has been essentially a World War, right? It’s a World War of the entirety of the human race against a very, very, very tiny enemy that can replicate like crazy.

    And it’s a crisis.

    And the funny thing about crisis is that it brings out it amplifies things, the good gets better, the bad gets worse.

    And all the things the inequalities, the inequities in our healthcare system versus, you know, income gaps, pay gaps, get worse, in in a crisis, just like you see.

    What was the stat GoFundMe is the as America’s third largest health insurance plan? Right? people asking for help begging for help is the third largest health insurance plan.

    And we know, to your point, AI could help solve a lot of these things.

    It was deployed responsibly, and in a trustworthy way.

    But the challenge is, things like training data that goes into it, we have to help people build better systems that say, that look for for bias at all times in the system.

    So we have to say, you know, is the data going unbiased? Is the model biased? And does the model drift? You know, again, one of the things I like in Watson Studio is that it tells you in the model monitoring, hey, this thing’s going off the rails, you want to do something?

    Lauren Frazier 11:59

    No, that’s true.

    And I think it’s important that we just also with Watson Studio, you are able to model or monitor that model, but also interpret and explain.

    And that’s the key things you were saying it’s not just about explaining, but proving it to anybody, and also making it easy for every maybe that court of law or the external folks to understand, Okay, I see how my data was used if I ever did need to ask that.

    So you know, I know that for us, IBM has always strived with him and innovation and bringing benefits to everyone and not just a few.

    And I think even in hiring, you know, I might, my own team is pretty diverse.

    So I have enjoyed being an IBM for the past seven years.

    But this fopp philosophy is also applied to AI and we aim to create an offer reliable, and understanding technology.

    We understand that AI is embedded in everyday life, right, which we’re talking about whether it’s business, government, medicine, health care, all of that.

    But our goal is to help people and organizations adopt it responsibly.

    So I know we kind of defined trustworthy AI, would you just find responsible AI is the same thing as that.

    And what are the opportunities and challenges that might come with the use of ethical AI?

    Christopher Penn 13:09

    Trust is what you build up front? responsibles What happens after, right? So you, it’s kind of like, it’s like any relationship, right? You you build a relationship, you build trust, upfront, and then on the back end, you prove that that trust was well founded or not, right? Depending on the technology, when you look at, at the ethical use of AI, it’s funny, ethics is a tricky word.

    Because ethics, you know, sort of in the classical Greek sense, means you do what you say, right? If you look at, you know, the way Facebook and once it’s AI, they do what they say.

    And at no point did they say they’re gonna make the world a better place.

    A whole world on fire.

    But it’s ethical.

    Yeah, they’re doing what they said.

    The question that we have to ask ourselves as, as the people who maintain AI, is are we doing the things that we want to accomplish? are we creating the outcomes that we think are fair, and that are equitable? And for a more practical way of things looking at? Are we doing things that are gonna get sued, right? It’s like, Oh, yeah, sorry about that.

    We accidentally when you have those, those data sources, you know, inside the machines there’s so many ways can go wrong.

    I was at a I was at a conference a couple years ago, the mahr tech conference, which and of course every vendor on the floor had you know, we have AI and our product like yeah, it’s not it’s not the tele guys you don’t need doesn’t need to go on everything.

    This one vendor had his map of Boston.

    Yeah.

    And they were trying to predict ideal customers and it’s for Dunkin Donuts right now.

    For those of you who are actually We’ll see in the comments you have people listening from all around the world, Dunkin Donuts sort of a mass market.

    Coffee and donut shop, right? And pretty much everybody in New England, the New England region of the United States consumes Dunkin Donuts in some form, the only people who don’t are dead.

    And this company tried to predict these ideal customers has a map of Boston, there were red dots in the areas that were, you know, ideal.

    And then there were no black dots neighbors weren’t.

    I looked at this map.

    And I said, so you think the ideal customer is all in the financial district, downtown Cambridge, and Roxbury, Dorchester mattapan, which are predominantly lower income, predominantly black areas, say there’s no ideal customers.

    I’m like, I’m sorry, you’re full of shit.

    Because there everybody in Boston, regardless of race, gender back on, get you consumed dunks in some fashion.

    And I said, what you really did is you invented redlining? Yeah.

    Which is, again, yeah.

    So again, for those folks who are not familiar with American history, in the 1930s, insurance companies would take maps of the world of the cities and draw red lines around, predominantly, you know, minority areas of cities say we don’t want to give loans in these areas.

    And it that’s not an equitable outcome, particularly for something like coffee like, Okay, if you’re selling airplanes, and yes, there’s an argument to be made that some sections the city by income level, you might be justified that but you’re selling coffee, you’re selling $1 coffee, everybody can get that.

    And so with that, you know, ethical, responsible use of AI, we have to think about what kind of risk are we opening ourselves up to if we implement it badly?

    Lauren Frazier 16:38

    And I think it’s important to also say, I think it’s something you mentioned before, it’s who’s in the boardroom, who’s behind there making these decisions.

    So I think someone in the chat brought up a good question is, where do you get training data when you know, the data itself does not represent the overall pool accurately? You know, if folks aren’t behind the scenes and can say, you know, wait, this is redlining? Again, this is because clearly someone didn’t look at that it’s quite obvious that we’re just doing something that we’re trying to still kind of going on sometimes, and we’re trying to pivot and, and change the world, right? So how do people get that correct data? How do we cleanse it? How do we even get there?

    Christopher Penn 17:18

    data data is too far gone.

    At that point, you actually raised a really good point.

    This, you can get bias in AI and all kinds, including allowable bias to creep in at six different spots in the process.

    But the number one place which starts is in the people you hire, right? Yeah.

    If the people you hire, and I’m not saying that you’re hiring bias people, but if you’re if you hire people who don’t think to ask the question, hey, is there a bias in this data, then you will never get to the point where the systems can can detect it.

    Now, if you get somebody to say, Hey, I think this, this data might have a problem.

    I don’t know what it is.

    But there might be a problem in here.

    And as built into your strategy, which is the second place, it can creep in, then there are tools that you can use to assess your data.

    IBM has a great toolkit called the AI fairness 360 toolkit, it’s free, it’s open source, you can use it in R and Python, I use the R version, and you feed it data and it says, Hey, what are the protected classes? Right? What are the things that you that cannot be discriminatory? What kind of fairness are you looking for? We talked about the different kinds of fairness.

    And then what do you want to do about it? We’ll say like, yes, there’s a skew of plus or minus this percentage, or there are issues here.

    And then it’s up to us to say, how do we want to deal with that? In Watson Studio, you can handle this with a couple different points in the in the data, the model building site up front, you can actually with the toolkits help flip bits.

    So if I have a, say a data data set, that 60% male and 40% female Watson Studio with, with our guidance can say, and we you have to tell it to do this, I want you to flip the bit, randomly sample the data set and flip the bit on 10% of the males to turn them female so that it balances the days out.

    The model monitoring does the same thing as well, I will say okay, I can flip bits around or change data around to try and remix the sample, to keep it fair to keep it on the rails.

    The other option is, you, you you filter the data upfront and say, Okay, I’m going to do say propensity score matching, and I’m only going to allow an even gender split are only going to allow a representative population split in the data.

    So that what goes into the training for the model construction is fair to begin with.

    That’s a really good question.

    It’s a It’s a challenging question, because you have to be aware of how to do these things.

    Lauren Frazier 19:42

    Yeah.

    And aware of what bias is

    Christopher Penn 19:45

    exactly how to

    Lauren Frazier 19:47

    spot it.

    Right.

    So I guess that goes into kind of the automation of AI you know, more company needs are used to using AI operationalizing, but only by embedding ethical principles into these Applications and processes, can they probably be built on trust? Right? So what do you see as a creek key criteria for bringing models to production and driving value from the deployments? And what do you see in like trends in the architecture that folks are adopting or should adopt? You know,

    Christopher Penn 20:16

    there’s there’s a few things here that I think are important.

    One is automated machine learning has really come a long way.

    Lucas was asking in the comments of the link to the IBM Phil, if you go to AI, f 360, dot my bloomix dotnet, I put a link in the comments.

    That’s the AI fairness 360 toolkit.

    So there’s, there’s a few different components that you need to have in the system.

    And here’s the challenge that, again, a system like cloud pack for data will address that, you know, sort of mixed bag of individual solutions will not necessarily do because they’re not connected to each other.

    So you really want the integration, you need to be able to get at the data, where it where it lives, right.

    So being able to use something like Red Hat openshift to virtualize the data out of where it is, and make it into a common layer.

    You need a system like AI fairness 360, to look at the data and say, Okay, is there bias going into it is, what kinds of issues are there, you need, I like tools like Watson Studio AutoAI AI, because in some ways, it takes some of the decision making and the potential biases I have as a data scientist out because it’ll feed it a dataset and say, here’s the 44 things I tried, here’s the best result, here’s the seven different measures of accuracy, which you know, I think this is the best one, but then I can always go back and I can push the button, say, okay, generate the code, I always go back and say, I really actually want to use gradient boosting for this.

    So you need to have that sort of that in the model construction phase, then you have deployment, you got to get that model into production.

    And then you have to monitor the model as well.

    And this needs to be an ecosystem that where the pieces talk to each other, as opposed to being you know, individual point solutions, because what tends to happen with point solutions is they break really easily.

    I can pass a model from say, you know, our studio into a standalone platform, but that standalone platform can’t monitor drift, and then can’t pass back into my original code and say, this is this is a problem, I have to do that manually.

    And if I’m, you know, working on five or six projects for different clients, whatever.

    I may not remember to do that.

    If I’ve got a system like cloud pack for data and Watson Studio.

    It does it for me, right? So I in a lot of ways, it takes my vices out of the equation.

    And it also automates a lot of the maintenance the the operation of AI and that that part is it’s something people don’t think about, when when people think about AI, they think like this magical unicorn that you know, you strap your date who flies off into.

    Unknown Speaker 22:52
    Here it goes No,

    Christopher Penn 22:56

    exactly.

    And it’s not it’s the Oh, it’s almost like AI really is nothing more than really fancy spreadsheets, right? You don’t expect Microsoft Excel to run itself, you have to do stuff with it.

    And in the same way, AI is just software, except it’s software that a machine wrote from your data.

    So you want that ecosystem so that it’s running your your data, your models, your and monitoring, all in one place.

    And that way, it can tell you proactively, I think something’s wrong here.

    Lauren Frazier 23:30

    And your whole team’s gets the visibility of it as well, not just you, you can see where the issue happened, how can we go back with wherever can we you know, mitigate that risk or mitigate that bias? And, you know, I know you already brought up HR and I know one of IBM biggest clients is using AI to ensure hiring and other HR practices are fair, and especially with corporate policies and the social responsibilities of today.

    But what kind of client questions are you getting when it comes to operationalizing AI, or the use of AI?

    Christopher Penn 24:02

    You know, it’s funny, um, our clients in a lot of ways don’t care about AI.

    What they care about is better, faster, cheaper results.

    We want things to work better.

    We want more accurate models we want.

    Not even the the models, you know, one of our larger clients and automotive client, they just want to know what to do help me make better decisions faster.

    But going into that, there’s a lot of challenges.

    The biggest challenge that a lot of people face is, you know, it mirrors the AI lifecycle.

    Do you have the right people? Do you have the right strategy? Do you have the right data? Do you have the right algorithm choices? Do you have like models? And do you have the right monitoring it to keep it all intact? That hierarchy that bet process, in a lot of cases is really broken.

    A lot of companies they don’t have the right people, which is why they need, you know, firms like Trust Insights and companies like IBM, they have a strategy, but the strategy may not be optimized for AI, because AI is all about getting machines to do things that humans, you know, tasks that humans do.

    And if you’re not thinking about being process oriented, and you think about how do I be efficient, then AI is not really going to work for you.

    And then the big one, by far is the data is a hot mess.

    It’s everywhere,

    Unknown Speaker 25:33
    here.

    Yeah,

    Christopher Penn 25:34

    exactly.

    Yep, it’s everywhere.

    It’s in the wrong format.

    It’s not structured, well, it’s corrupted.

    Even something as simple like, well, things we see a lot when we’re doing marketing analytics is, hey, hey, you launched a new website.

    And you forgot to put your Google Analytics tracking code for three weeks.

    So you go back in the data, this is a big three week gap here.

    Like what what happened guys like, Oh, they they something as simple as that can really hose even basic analysis.

    And then there’s all this stuff around the humans.

    So how do we communicate? What AI is doing to, you know, to the people? Who are the stakeholders? How do we help them understand that you will get better outcomes? How do we show them some early easy wins? So one of the things that we do a lot of is attribution analysis, take all the data that you have, and say, these are the things that work in your marketing.

    That’s a pretty easy win, because it helps people understand, oh, I’m investing 44% of my budget in Facebook ads, but it’s delivering 2% of my leads, I get it.

    Lauren Frazier 26:43

    Where else can we put this? Yeah,

    Christopher Penn 26:45

    exactly.

    So those are a couple of the examples where we use it extensively, we’re actually working on a couple other projects, where we’re trying to look at buildings, you know, ongoing running models that help do some predictions and forecasting.

    We just did one recently doing predictive analytics, just helping a client understand, hey, here’s what’s likely to happen in the next three months for this particular type of content.

    You should time your promotions, to when interest by the eyes is going to be the highest, because that’s what people are paying attention.

    People are like, like spotlights, right? And you know, the spotlight moves around.

    It’s watching, you know, the Falcon and Winter Soldier.

    It’s watching.

    Unknown Speaker 27:34
    It’s such a good show.

    Christopher Penn 27:36

    But you have you earn very small amounts of time as people’s attention.

    But when they’re thinking about something that they care about, that is something you solve the spotlights on you.

    So what can you do take advantage of that time, if you’re not prepared? the spotlight hits you then moves on, right, like, well, they go.

    But if you use predictive analytics, if you use AI intelligently, when the spotlight hits us, you’re like, Hey, here’s the thing you can buy, and then they buy it, and then the spotlight moves on.

    Yeah.

    And that’s the, the real operationalizing of AI is not just getting the system running, but getting the benefits from it.

    Lauren Frazier 28:13

    And it’s not just the benefits, it’s being or its benefits, but for predicting those outcomes in intelligently through automated processes, I think are key.

    And it’s also I think it goes back to what we were saying at the beginning.

    It’s not just about the business impact, it’s about the impact to the world you’re making into your customers, and how you’re improving lives by these decisions, whether that’s loans, whether that’s, you know, even data for up for universities and students, there’s so many ways that data can be used.

    So before,

    Christopher Penn 28:45

    we have to be very careful about to when we should not be using AI.

    I think there are cases where it is clear that AI is the wrong choice.

    Yeah, I’ll give you two examples.

    Okay, example one.

    A pro publica did an investigation in 2016 of police departments creating an algorithm attempting to predict recidivism.

    recidivism, for those who don’t know, is the likelihood that someone will re offend or commit another crime.

    The algorithm that this company came up with, predicted that black Americans would reoffend five times more than they actually did.

    But even worse, the algorithm itself was 20% accurate, right? You can flip a coin and do better than this album by a substantial margin, not just a little bit.

    That was a case where it’s still not clear whether somebody had their thumb on the scale, it was intentionally biased.

    Or if they just fed it such bad data that it came up with it.

    So that’s a case where the data was bad, and the people putting it together probably didn’t know what they were doing or they did and that was malicious.

    Second example.

    This is a big one.

    AI is not a good choice in a lot of things like health care.

    in finance for specific populations, not because AI the technology is bad, right? But because the whole data set is corrupted example, black American healthcare outcomes, you can there is zero good data about zero in the entire country.

    Why? Because systemic racism has created such a mass of negative outcomes that it does not matter where you sample your data from, it’s going to be bad.

    What you have to do is kind of like what you’re talking about with Watson Studio, where you have to almost change other people’s races in a system to introduce known good data to say like, yeah, the ideal health expectancy outcome should be like 70 years old, because of problems that are outside the data, macro systemic problems, you can’t trust that data.

    So one of the things that you have to ask yourself when you’re deploying AI is, is the data itself.

    So corrupted, that it cannot be usable, that you can’t recover it? And there’s no good data to be found? If that’s the case in AI is not the right choice, you will have to rely on boring old natural intelligence, do you have better data,

    Lauren Frazier 31:16

    and I’d rather us rely on that.

    But I do have hope for code for the future that, you know, hopefully, these companies, I know that IBM is striving for it.

    But hopefully we continue to see just from the past year, and all of these items being brought to the forefront, right? I think there’s been a lot more visibility on how just much systemic racism has affected all of us, and outcomes.

    And I just hope that all organizations start to think how can we really start to go behind the scenes look at our data from the beginning, is this half what we should even be using? And hopefully in the future, it could be used for good in those areas as well.

    Always improvement, right? In all technologies, especially with AI cuz, you know, the folks always think it’s going to take over their jobs, too.

    But hopefully, it can just be used for good.

    And that’s the key thing is in what we’re trying to drive here as well.

    Christopher Penn 32:07

    Yeah, I think the whole thing like is, am I going to take my job is it’s a nuanced conversation, because a job is a series of tasks, right? Yeah, yeah, you know, you don’t just do one thing anymore.

    At the very least, you at least have to attend meetings about the one thing that you do.

    So AI is really good at tasks, it’s still good at being very narrow, at least until IBM perfects quantum computing.

    And they may become a little ways away.

    But right now, it’s it is very much good at taking tasks.

    And the more repetitive a task is, the easier it is to automate.

    The good news is that a lot of those tasks that are so easy to automate, you don’t really want to be doing anyway, I used to work at a PR firm.

    And this one task a junior person had they were copying and pasting results from Google to a spreadsheet eight hours a day, like, how have you not clawed your eyeballs out by?

    Lauren Frazier 33:08

    Now, that’s my role there.

    So

    Christopher Penn 33:12

    it’s like, why are you doing this this Sunday, the machine should be doing it, it’s so repetitive.

    And the human there adds so little value, that the goal then is say, okay, you, we’re gonna save you seven hours and 45 minutes your day.

    But now, we want you to use what you’re good at.

    Thinking across domains and stuff to add value to this instead of just copying and pasting spreadsheets.

    So this is concept Oh, gosh, from the 1930s.

    Joseph Schumpeter the idea of creative destruction that yes, things like AI absolutely will destroy certain tasks.

    But doing so they will create new opportunities that will ideally be better nobody enjoy getting a saw going until they can sign up ice in the wintertime, right? Nobody enjoys that.

    Lauren Frazier 34:01

    Exactly.

    And no one predicted AI back and back then, right.

    So that leaves as I might take over some things, at least folks for innovation and other things that we might not even know could be possible in the future.

    So with that, I mean, Chris, it’s been a great conversation.

    I mean, I’m thank you for hosting us.

    Thank you.

    Are there any last words you want to say before I share some of the resources in the description?

    Christopher Penn 34:27

    I would encourage people to, to at least start if you haven’t already started thinking about the applications of automation for even just, you know, not AI, but just automation.

    We are entering a period of time now where productivity is sort of the golden calf that everybody is looking for in business.

    Even if your company doesn’t have a enterprise wide strategy for AI, you as a business person should be thinking about how do we implement even on a smallscale piloting it, you know, you can sign up for an IBM Cloud account and try out Watson Studio, I believe you get 50 CPU hours per month, which is enough to test some stuff out.

    It’s not enough to, you know, to run an enterprise wide thing, but you can start testing it out.

    There are so much good open source, in our in Python learning those languages.

    If you go to a cognitive class.ai, that’s IBM is free, online university to learn Big Data, Data Science, machine learning AI, it’s an incredible resource completely 100% for you, you can get cool little badges, you can go on your LinkedIn profile.

    I think getting your your toes wet in this stuff is so important, just so you know, what’s possible.

    And the more if people try it out.

    I think that the better is for everyone, because it helps to demystify it.

    It’s not magic, it’s just a bunch of math.

    So Lauren, what are some of the resources you want to talk about? Yeah,

    Lauren Frazier 35:58

    so you know, think 2021 is coming up.

    Of course, it’s not our great event that used to be in person that I love, but it is virtual.

    So it’s coming up may 11, in the Americas, in May 12, in APAC, Japan, and EMI, you can also sign up for part two of our what’s next and AI webinar series.

    That’s something we’ve been working through IBM, this is on May 19.

    And that will dive in a little bit more with some of our experts on the IBM side some of the product marketers on just the importance, what’s next, how you can improve your own AI strategy.

    And then finally, and not last, the gardener report.

    This one goes into our how Watson Studio is one of the leaders in machine learning and data science capabilities.

    So just so you can see it, you know, what the analysts have to say, but, you know, it’s been a pleasure.

    And I think just, I think what you said we need to just get, companies just need to use AI responsibly.

    And I think consumers need to also ensure that these companies do get held to those standards as well.

    So it’ll be cool to see how it goes going forward, especially improvements in AI as well.

    Christopher Penn 37:09

    Exactly.

    And if you have any interest in it, we have a course as well is not free, go to TrustInsights.ai slash data science one one if you’re so interested.

    Thanks for watching.

    If you’d like to share this episode, go to LinkedIn that you probably founded by TrustInsights.ai dot AI slash IBM trusted AI.

    That link will take you back to the recording of this show.

    You can share it with your friends, please do we’d love to have more people get a sense of what’s important about AI.

    And making sure that is fair making sure that we’re all working towards outcomes that are equitable for everybody.

    Thank you, Lauren and the IBM team for being with us today and we’ll talk to you soon.

    Take care everyone.

    Lauren Frazier 37:47

    Thanks, Happy Friday.

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  • IBM Watson AutoAI Time Series Forecasting Bakeoff

    IBM Watson AutoAI Time Series Forecasting Bakeoff

    Today, let’s take a look at a new offering from IBM, the new AutoAI Time Series Forecasting module. Before we begin, let’s define a few things.

    What is Time Series Forecasting?

    Time series forecasting is predicting one or more data variables over some future time, based on previous data.

    Why is Time Series Forecasting Valuable?

    Because you want to know what’s likely to happen.

    When is Time Series Forecasting Not Valuable?

    When you’re trying to forecast something that hasn’t ever happened, or you’re trying to forecast something that cannot be forecasted because there are too many inputs.

    For example, let’s say you were forecasting your restaurant business, and it’s February 2020. All your forecasts are based on previous data. No software in the world, no matter how good, would have successfully predicted the global pandemic.

    The Bakeoff

    We’ll compare two different methods for time series forecasting. First, we’ll use the traditional, code-based method in the R programming language. Then we’ll compare it with IBM Watson AutoAI’s Time Series Forecasting.

    We start with good ol’ Google Analytics data. For this exercise, we’ll keep it simple. Based on the last few years of data from my website, can I forecast ahead what my likely traffic is going to be?

    Google Analytics data

    This is nearly ideal data for time series forecasting – lots of back data to work with, well-structured, nothing missing. If one or more of these conditions weren’t true, we’d have a hard time doing any kind of forecasting.

    The Highly Technical Forecast with R

    Using the R programming language, we feed our data into 6 different algorithms: ARIMA (autoregressive integrated moving averages), ETS (error trend and seasonality), Facebook’s Prophet algorithm, with and without XGBoost (extreme gradient boosting), GLMNet (generalized linear models with elastic net model paths), and random forests. These are all tried and true time series forecasting techniques with varying levels of technical sophistication.

    We look at the outputs from our backtesting first to see which model gives us the greatest accuracy levels:

    Accuracy table

    Gold stars to the Prophet models for having the lowest SMAPE (symmetric mean absolute percentage error) rates; this indicates that these models performed the best for time series forecasting. That said, R squared is a little on the low side for all of them, which means the models may not necessarily have done a great job of predicting what’s likely to happen.

    Next, let’s look at the forecasts themselves. What do the models look like?

    Forecast plot

    We see some models, like Prophet (lime green), really get a decent model of the ebbs and flows of website traffic. Others, like ARIMA (red), literally just project a straight line. That’s super not helpful.

    Okay, so we’ve got a time series forecast (or set of forecasts, really) from R. Quick list of pros and cons.

    Pros of R forecasting

    • Free, you run it on your desktop
    • Goes as fast as your computer goes (don’t try this on a weak machine)
    • Highly configurable, you write the code to do what you want

    Cons of R forecasting

    • You have to know how to code
    • You also have to have deep statistical knowledge to understand the performance of your models
    • Need addons (also free) to make the process easier

    The IBM Watson AutoAI Forecast

    Next, let’s follow the same process with IBM Watson. We load our data in:

    Watson Data Load

    We see what it’s going to test, which is handy. Right now Watson can only predict 60 days ahead. Below, we see its backtesting process, which will check its predictions against known historical data:

    Backtest diagram

    Then, as we did manually, it automatically tests dozens of different combinations of algorithms and models. Note that I don’t have to do any of this as the user. It does it for me.

    First run

    And it settled on BATS (Bayesian Analysis of Time Series):

    Final output

    We see that the SMAPE error for Watson’s choice of BATS is not only lower than the algorithms we tested in R, but the R squared error metric is MUCH better, almost 3x better.

    When we look at the forecasted line, the dotted green line above, we see that as well. The series looks like a much more reasonable growth model. In the R forecast, the Prophet models looked good but they climbed ever higher; the Watson model increases, but seems to do so at a much more reasonable rate.

    So, let’s look at the pros and cons of Watson AutoAI time series forecasting.

    Pros of Watson AutoAI Forecasting

    • More accurate out of the box than our custom built model
    • No coding!
    • Many more models and techniques tested out of the box

    Cons of Watson AutoAI Forecasting

    • No data export of the forecast itself
    • Limited to a 60 day forecast window
    • Not free

    What’s the Best Time Series Forecasting Solution?

    The best choice for time series forecasting is going to depend on your needs and use case. IBM Watson AutoAI delivers very high quality forecasts in a no-code environment, suitable for offering short-term (60 day) prediction windows. It’s not free, but it’s substantially easier to use than the open-source option.

    R delivers high quality forecasts that are free and can extend out very far into the future (within statistical limits), but require substantial technical and statistical skills to implement.

    Which you choose depends on what you need more, but both are good solutions for some organizations, not as good a fit for others, and both will continue to evolve and improve over time.

    Important Compliance Disclosures

    I am an IBM Champion, for which I receive non-monetary compensation from IBM (mostly apparel). IBM did not solicit this review.

    My company, Trust Insights, is an IBM Registered Business Partner. Should you purchase something from IBM through Trust Insights, I would receive indirect financial benefit.

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  • GRAMMY Debates with IBM Watson

    GRAMMY Debates with IBM Watson

    This week, I had the pleasure of sitting down with IBM Project Debater system lead Yoav Katz for an in-depth chat about how Project Debater has evolved since its debut at IBM THINK 2019 and how it’s being used for the GRAMMY Debates with Watson.

    What is IBM Project Debater

    For those unfamiliar, Project Debater is an IBM Research project to create a practical, conversational AI system that can hold its own in a verbal debate, academic style, with a human being. At its first major public appearance in 2019 at IBM’s THINK conference, Project Debater did indeed hold its own against a human debate champion onstage, on the topic of subsidizing kindergarten.

    The core technologies used in that version of Project Debater have been extended to a new application: debate by crowd. For the GRAMMYS, IBM has opened up four debate by crowd opportunities for people to submit points of view in its GRAMMY Debates with Watson on these topics:

    • Billie Eilish is the biggest style icon in music
    • Music education should be mandatory in all K-12 schools
    • Prince is the most groundbreaking artist of all time
    • Virtual concerts are better experiences than live shows

    If you’ve got a position you want to participate on, submit your arguments on the topics here; just navigate down to Try It Yourself.

    Why IBM Project Debater Matters

    IBM’s Project Debater is the combination of four sets of technologies – speech to text translation, topic identification, argument synthesis, and text to speech production. For the GRAMMYS project, the topic identification piece is the part at work to do what’s called abstractive summarization.

    Abstractive summarization is exactly what it sounds like – a summary of content that is abstract, rather than extractive. In extractive summarization, we look for the most important words and phrases and more or less copy/paste them directly. In abstractive summarization, we may write without using any of the original words and phrases from our source data.

    On the GRAMMY Debates with Watson site, we humans submit our arguments, and Project Debater ingests them to synthesize an abstractive summary of them. Here, for example, are the arguments for and against music education:

    Project Debater summary

    For:

    Greetings all. The following analysis is based on 329 arguments, contributed by people around the globe, identified as high-quality arguments supporting the notion that music education should be mandatory in all K-12 schools.

    21 percent of the arguments argued that music in schools helps children develop better. Music education is an important aspect of providing children with a well-rounded education. When allowed to work in harmony with other subjects and areas of study, music helps children grow in self-esteem. Music education has been shown to enhance a students abilities in other disciplines, therefore learning music should be a required in public school to support greater overall achievement and knowledge. It allows a great development in children, allowing them to find their way. Music stimulates brain development in children. Music also integrates many different subjects. Music is a way to connect with other people and can relieve stress. Music education should be mandatory because it is factually proven that those who take music classes have better grades and reduced anxiety; this is crucial for students who are struggling.

    Another recurring point, raised in 7 percent of the arguments, is that music education should be required because it encourages creativity! Music education nurtures and builds creativity, sharpness of thought and mind, establishes a process of innovation-driven thinking, and brings joy. Music education should be implemented in all educational systems, since it allows children to develop their passion and love for music. It has proven results in helping kids be more emotionally stable, as well as giving them a creative outlet. Music brings out creativity in children, helps with reading and math, and increases children’s attention spans.

    7 percent of the arguments proposed that music enhances brain coordination and increases brain capacity. Music can lead to better brain development, increases in human connection, and even stress relief. Music helps logical thinking, and is thus useful. Using a different part of our brains gives greater control and balance; it is a good balance to our STEM focused curriculum. One of the most useful benefits of music education is the increased ability to process situations and find solutions mentally.

    6 percent of the arguments mentioned that research shows that music training boosts IQ, focus and persistence. Music education in schools is of great benefit to children as it increases their memory, attention and concentration capacity. There is a heap of incontestable research showing that an education rich in music improves students’ cognitive function and academic performance. It is an important part of education in all K-12 schools at this stage since it trains children with great cognitive ability. Adolescents with music training have better cognitive skills and school grades and are more conscientious, open and ambitious.

    To conclude, the above examples reflect the crowd’s opinions, that music education should be mandatory in all K-12 schools. Thank you for joining.

    Against:

    Greetings. The following analysis is based on 109 arguments submitted by people around the world, identified as high-quality arguments contesting the notion that music education should be mandatory in all K-12 schools.

    22 percent of the arguments argued that music education can distract kids from really important subjects. STEM education should be a priority and music education takes away funding from more important subjects. There are more important topics such as economics and medicine; these subjects give basic knowledge to the students. Music should not be required at school because it can be very distracting for students. It should be considered optional, and students should focus on important topics such as grammar or mathematics.

    Another 5 arguments conveyed that our taxes should not pay for non-essential education like music and art. Providing music education in K-12 schools is a waste of budget that could be invested in other more important areas such as physics, chemistry, mathematics and languages. Schools have limited budgets and the study of academic areas such as Math, English and Science need to be a priority.

    4 arguments alluded that school districts do not have the funding needed for music education. Music education is prohibitively expensive. The poorest students cannot afford an expensive extracurricular activity like band; our tax dollars end up subsidizing privileged kids’ hobby. Music education puts too much of a strain on already limited resources. It requires funding that could be used to fund STEM programs instead. When budgets are stretched, there are other subject areas that schools should prioritize first – musical education should be kept as a subsidized, optional, after-hours extra.

    To conclude, the above examples summarize the crowd’s arguments, opposing the notion that Music education should be mandatory in all K-12 schools. Thank you for joining.

    Do you see how powerful this technology is at abstractive summarization, the ability to take in a lot of input and boil it down to relatively concise, understandable summaries?

    This technology has applications far beyond debate topics. Abstractive summarization could, for example, ingest the entirety of your customer service inbox each day and provide a rollup summary of the key issues customers are facing in an easy to read brief that would help you understand the frustrations customers are feeling.

    For content marketers, think of the amazing opportunities available to us to synthesize relevant, cogent new content from sources. Instead of simply parroting or replicating user-generated content, we could build entirely new content with these technologies. Imagine taking your top positive reviews for a product and synthesizing marketing copy from them, creating customer-centric, customer-led marketing content.

    How Does IBM Project Debater Do This?

    In my conversations with Yoav Katz, Manager of IBM Debating Technologies, we talked through the architecture of Project Debater in 2019 versus how it’s structured now. Back then, Project Debater was a monolithic system of 10 different AI engines all working together to process a single person’s human speech and create responses.

    Today’s system, the one powering the GRAMMY Debates with Watson, is a much more scalable system. Broadly, (because the details are confidential) Project Debater moved all its symbolic AI (rules-based) up front to screen out junk, and completely changed out Project Debater’s neural engines on the back end, switching from LSTMs (long short-term memory neural networks) to transformers, the current state-of-the-art in natural language processing and generation.

    Any time you put something on the Internet open to the public, you’ll inevitably get trolls and jerks, so this system is a model for how we should think about deploying AI in production. Transformers – the advanced language processing models used in the headline-making technologies like Google’s BERT, Facebook’s BART, and OpenAI’s GPT-3 – are incredible at natural language processing and generation, but at a computational cost that’s substantially higher than older technologies.

    How much more? LSTMs run very well on small hardware; every time you use autocomplete on your smartphone, you’re using an LSTM. Transformers need beefy hardware; someone doing development at home needs hundreds, if not thousands of dollars in hardware to run transformers efficiently and at scale. For a project like GRAMMY Debates with Watson, you’re talking thousands of virtualized server instances on IBM Cloud that have to scale up when demand gets high.

    So IBM’s use of more primitive, rules-based AI up front to screen out hate speech, inappropriate content, and irrelevant submissions takes the load off the transformer engines, ensuring that only relevant content makes it into processing.

    Another key lesson Katz discussed with me was that the production model isn’t learning. IBM pre-trained and tested it, but the model itself isn’t doing any kind of reinforcement learning or active learning; our inputs have no impact on the model itself. This is an essential lesson for production AI. Why? Back in 2016, Microsoft deployed an experimental NLP model on a Twitter account, called Microsoft Tay. It was built on a reinforcement learning model that would take input from Twitter users to synthesize tweets.

    The Internet being the internet, trolls managed to spike Tay’s language model and turn it into a racist, pornographic account in under 24 hours.

    Keeping Project Debater’s model static not only decreases its computational costs, it insulates it from bad actors on the Internet.

    Lessons in AI

    What Project Debater’s GRAMMY Debates with Watson shows us is a great blueprint for deploying AI:

    • Build and tune your models up front
    • Move your lowest processing cost technologies early in the process to reduce the input dataset
    • Insulate your production models from drift in case of highly suspicious inputs
    • Build using microservices architectures in a cloud environment so that your deployment can scale up faster to meet demand

    Go ahead and try out GRAMMY Debates with Watson and see for yourself how it works – and how the underlying technologies might be useful to you.

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    I am an IBM Champion, and my company, Trust Insights, is a Registered IBM Business Partner. Should you do business with IBM through us, I receive indirect financial benefit. IBM did not provide direct compensation for me to participate in or review GRAMMY Debates with Watson.

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  • Learning Data Science Techniques With IBM Watson Studio Modeler

    Learning Data Science Techniques With IBM Watson Studio Modeler

    When it comes to learning data science, one of the challenges we face is just how seemingly daunting the field is to learn. There are so many techniques, tactics, and strategies that it’s difficult to know where to start.

    Learning something new always begins with an understanding of the basics. From martial arts to dance to data science, the basics form the underpinnings of everything that comes after. We can’t do a black belt technique with proficiency if we don’t have all the time, experience, and knowledge that comes from the belts before black belt.

    With data science, the same thing is true. We have to learn the basics, the techniques, first. So how do we do that?

    The Rumsfeld Matrix

    Our first exploration has to be cataloging our knowledge. What do we know? For this, I use the Rumsfeld Matrix, coined by former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld opined in a press conference years ago that “Reports that say that something hasn’t happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don’t know we don’t know.”

    If we extrapolate this snippet of speech to a 2×2 matrix, we arrive at:

    The Rumsfeld matrix

    What are these?

    • Known knowns. Things we know that we know.
    • Known unknowns. Things we know that we don’t know.
    • Unknown knowns. Things we don’t know that we know, aka things we’ve forgotten.
    • Unknown unknowns. Things we don’t know that we don’t know.

    What does this have to do with data science techniques? When we look at the entirety of data science, chances are our knowledge falls into one of these four categories.

    For example, we know that we know linear regression.

    We may know that we know logistic regression, but we also might have learned that in college many years ago and forgotten it, which would put it in the category of unknown knowns.

    We know we don’t know how to do, say, GLM modeling, which would be in the category of known unknowns.

    And there are a whole slew of techniques we may never have heard of. We don’t know that we don’t know them, because we’re unaware of teir very existence.

    When it comes to learning data science, the categories we need to conquer quickly, in terms of cataloging, are the unknown knowns and unknown unknowns. Without understanding these two buckets, we might think we’ve got the hang of data science, but our skills are limited by what we don’t know we don’t know.

    So, how would we come to know what we don’t know?

    IBM Watson Studio Modeler

    This is where IBM Watson Studio Modeler comes in handy. When we first log into Watson Studio and set up a new Modeler environment (which is functionally almost identical to SPSS Modeler, for those who know that particular piece of software), we’re presented with a deceptively simple menu of tools:

    Watson Studio Modeler environment

    Boy, that sure looks easy, doesn’t it? This data science thing is going to be a cinch.

    Until we start to expand the menus. Here’s what all the menus look like, opened up:

    Watson Studio Modeler environment expanded

    Woof. That’s a lot of buttons.

    But now, do you see the value of this tool? It’s not just an environment for working in data science. It’s also a map of data science techniques, the most common techniques, all laid out neatly in order of operations:

    • Data import
    • Record operations (rows)
    • Field operations (columns)
    • Modeling
    • Text analytics
    • Graphs and visualizations
    • Outputs
    • Data export

    That’s a very handy little data science lifecycle right there. And each menu has a plethora of techniques we could bring to bear on any given data science problem.

    Guess what this massive set of menus is? Yep – it’s the map you need to eliminate your unknown unknowns. When you look at this list, how many are techniques you’ve never even heard of, or have no idea what they mean? I remember the first time I logged into the interface and saw a widget for CHAID – and had no idea what that stood for (chi-square automatic interaction detection).

    When you have a catalog like this, neatly laid out, it becomes trivial to solve the unknown unknowns. You’ve changed them all into things you know you don’t know. You’re aware of their existence, and you’re now able to build a plan for learning what you don’t know. Your plan might be as simple as Googling each of the techniques, then exploring and playing with the widgets in IBM Watson Studio Modeler, since it’s a no-code environment that allows you to try things out fairly quickly.

    I usually go with a four-part analysis of techniques I don’t know:

    • What is this technique?
    • Why would you use it?
    • When wouldn’t you use it?
    • How is it used?

    For example, the CHAID technique was something I was unfamiliar with the first time I logged into Watson Studio years ago.

    What is it? It’s a decision tree algorithm used to determine if two sets of categorical variables are substantially different than each other with regard to an outcome.

    Why would you use it? If you have two different groups of people – say, people who saw a billboard and people who didn’t (and whether they bought something) – and you have characteristics of each that are non-numeric, such as gender or ZIP code, you could use CHAID to see whether or not the billboard had an impact, or whether other variables explain that they bought something or didn’t.

    When wouldn’t you use it? CHAID builds a classification decision tree, but if a good chunk of your data is numeric instead, you’d probably want to use a different technique like CART or other regression-based techniques.

    How is it used? This is where the IBM Watson Studio interface comes in handy. Because it’s a no-code, drag-and-drop interface, you just plop the CHAID widget into your workflow and you’re off to the races.

    CHAID in use

    Going through this catalog of techniques will take time – weeks, easily, if not months. But that’s all right, because we are less concerned about being blindsided by the unknown unknowns. We’ve got them fairly well fleshed out now, thanks to IBM Watson Studio Modeler’s interface and catalog.

    Apply Everywhere

    This learning technique doesn’t just apply to IBM Watson Studio Modeler. Every piece of commercial software that’s good at what it does has the same potential, from Google Analytics to your CRM to even your word processor. What do all the features do? How applicable are they to your business, your industry? What do you know? What don’t you know?

    Apply it to every piece of software you use, and you’ll extract maximum value from your tools.

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  • IBM THINK 2020 Digital Experience: Day 2 Review

    IBM THINK 2020 Digital Experience: Day 2 Review

    Day 2 of THINK 2020 was much more meat and potatoes, from use cases for AI to process automation. Rob Thomas, SVP Cloud and Data, showed a fun stat that early adopters of AI reaped a 165% increase in revenue and profitability, which was nice affirmation. But the big concept, the big takeaway, was on neurosymbolic AI. Let’s dig into this really important idea presented in a session with Sriram Raghavan, Vice President, IBM Research AI.

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    Today we’re talking about day two of IBM think 2020 digital experience, which was much more meat and potatoes than day one day one was a lot of flash and showbiz and big name speakers as typical for many events.

    Day two was what many of us came for, which is the the technical stuff, the in depth dives into all neat technologies that IBM is working on.

    The one of the cool stats of the day was from Rob Thomas, whose title I can’t remember anymore because it keeps changing.

    But he said that for organizations that were early adopters of artificial intelligence, they saw a 165% lift in revenues and profitability.

    That’s pretty good.

    That’s pretty darn good.

    At unsurprisingly, because of the way IBM approaches, Ai, a lot of the focuses on automation on operational efficiencies, things like that.

    So less huge radical revolutions and more, make the things you do better.

    Much, much better.

    The big takeaway, though, for the day came from a session with Sriram Raghavan, who is the VP of IBM Research AI.

    And he was talking about his concept called neuro symbolic AI, which is a term that I had not heard before today.

    I may be behind on my reading or something.

    But it was a fascinating dive into what this is.

    So there’s there’s two schools of artificial intelligence, there’s what’s called classical AI.

    And then there is neural AI.

    And the two that sort of had this either or very binary kind of battle over the over decades, classical AI was where artificial intelligence started with the idea that you could build what are called expert systems that are trained.

    And you’ve thought of every possible outcome.

    And the idea being you would create these these incredibly sophisticated systems.

    Well, it turns out that scales really poorly.

    And even with today’s computational resources, they they’re just not able to match the raw processing power of what’s called neural AI, which is why we use things like machine learning, neural networks, deep learning, reinforcement, learning, transfer, learning, active learning, all these different types of learning.

    And you feed machines, massive piles of data and the machine learns itself.

    The revolution that we’ve had in the last really 20 years in artificial intelligence has been neural AI, and all the power and the cool stuff that it can do.

    The challenge with neural AI is that Deep learning networks are somewhat brittle and easily.

    It’s called spiking a bet you contaminate them with even a small amount of bad data and you can get some really weird stuff happening.

    That combined with a lack of explained ability, and interpretability makes them somewhat challenging you a model comes out and does great things.

    But no one could explain exactly why the model works.

    We can guess we can maybe put in some interpretability checkpoints in the code, but it’s very difficult and cost intensive to do that.

    So you have these two different schools.

    You have the classical, let’s have a pristine knowledge system and have the let’s throw everything in see what happens.

    neurosymbolic AI, at least from what Dr.

    Raghavan was explaining, is when you weld these two things together, so you have all this data but it from the neural side, but the expert system side effectively forms guardrails that say, here are the parameters where we’re which the model shouldn’t drift out of So instead of making it a free for all and risking having having contaminated data in there, you say these are the guardrails, which we’re not going to let the model go outside of.

    A really good example of this is, if you’ve ever worked with a chat bot of any kind, there are things that chat bots are and are not allowed to say.

    And as we develop more and more sophisticated Chatbots the risk of having them be contaminated with bad data.

    You know, internet trolls typing in hate speech into these things, is a real risk.

    But having this idea of neurosymbolic AI says these these not just you know these words in our lab, but these entire concepts or categories are not allowed.

    And so neurosymbolic AI brings these two worlds together, if you can do it well.

    Last year, IBM did a thing called Project debater, which was their first attempt at having a public demonstration of neurosymbolic AI the debate Architecture had 10 different API’s of which several were expert systems saying these are the types of data the look for, these are the things that are allowed.

    These are the things that are explicitly not allowed.

    And then the neural side said, here’s the corpus of every English language article on in the database.

    And by having the two systems play off of each other, it delivered better performance than either kind of AI would have delivered alone.

    So what does this mean for us? It’s a change in the way we think about building artificial intelligence models instead of having to choose either or trying to handcraft an expert system again, if you build chat bots, you’ve done this because you’ve had to drag and drop the workflows and the IF THEN statements and things you know, classical, not true, deep learning NLP.

    The chat bots, you’ve built by hand like this very limited.

    There’s a range of what they can do, but it’s sort of a classic expert system.

    And then you have the free for all.

    If we can develop neurosymbolic systems that are relatively easy to use and relatively easy to scale, then you get the best of both worlds, you say these are the things I want to allow in my chat bot, but it can have conversations about other things as long as it doesn’t fall afoul of, you know, this area of things I don’t want to allow.

    So you could say, allow customer service interactions, allow sales interactions, allow marketing interactions, but also allow history of the company also allow profiles of the executives.

    And if a person interacting with your chat bot said it was all like, well, who exactly is who exactly is Christopher Penn? It would know and be able to use the neural side and the expert system side to say, I’m going to go and look at Christopher Penn data that I have in this database.

    I know what’s allowed and I know what’s not allowed from the expert system side and I’m going to return a an intelligible answer neurosymbolic I think has the potential to be a way for us to build more trust in artificial intelligence, because we know that the expert system side is there to guide us is there it’s handcrafted by somebody to, to really build the rules, the safety, the trust, the things that are explicitly not allowed the things that are encouraged in the system.

    That’s where I see a lot of potential for this concept.

    Now, it’s going to be challenging for organizations to build this because it requires knowledge of both schools, AI and a lot of folks particularly last 10 years or so have been solely on the machine learning and neural side.

    The idea of the expert system side is something only folks with a lot of gray hair in the AI field will have done because that was you know, the 70s, the 80s.

    The 90s was sort of that time period when expert systems were the thing.

    So it’s neat to see this concept coming around.

    And again, a few other things I thought were interesting from the day talk on propensity modeling and causal inferences within machine learning, I thought was really cool being able to use different algorithms to start to hint at causality you can’t prove without a shadow of a doubt.

    But there are some definitely some algorithms that can get you closer to causality rather than correlation.

    That was really cool.

    And of course, the quantum stuff, always mind blowing.

    And always, I still can’t put it into into words, I can understand it yet.

    But a terrific wrap up.

    That’s the end of the live sessions for think but the thing digital experiences open to the public, I think for least a few more weeks, so I’m going to dive into some of the on demand sessions and dig through those.

    As always you have follow up questions, please leave them in the comments box, subscribe to the YouTube channel newsletter, I’ll talk to you soon.

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  • IBM THINK 2020 Digital Experience: Day 1 Review

    IBM THINK 2020 Digital Experience: Day 1 Review

    We look back at day 1 of the IBM THINK Digital Experience. Completely different from the in-person experience, but neither better nor worse.

    Highlights:
    – AI for IT – complexity of systems
    – Rob Thomas on a more layperson-friendly Watson Studio AutoAI
    – Tackling of more complex issues with AI
    – Data supply chain and physical locations (hybrid cloud)
    – IBM AI for Kids labs

    Things I miss:
    – Chatting ad hoc with other data scientists

    Things I don’t miss:
    – San Francisco during conference season

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    Today we’re talking about IBM think that digital experience the first day of the digital experience, in contrast to previous years when a whole bunch of us on 40,000 was converged on either Las Vegas or San Francisco this year, for obvious reasons, we didn’t go anywhere.

    The event is structured a lot more like it’s a hybrid combination of in person, well live keynotes, and then a whole bunch of on demand sessions, which actually I think works out really well because the on demand stuff you can log into any time and watch and download slide decks and stuff and the live keynotes and stuff are, of course fun.

    Some of the big highlights from day one, I think there was the premiere of AI Ops, which is The use of artificial intelligence to manage your IT infrastructure.

    And this is when you’re using things like anomaly detection, breakout detection, trend detection to identify and fix failures in your technology infrastructure before they become bigger problems.

    As someone who used to run a data center, this would have been very nice to have had.

    It’s that some of the problems that we had way back in the day were easily preventable if we had the time and resources to go after.

    And a lot of the Watson AI ops tools that were unveiled yesterday will help address a lot of that.

    The second thing was a useful takeaway was actually from the opening keynote with Arvind Krishna who is the new CEO of IBM.

    And that is the concept that IBM has been pushing hybrid cloud, which is where you have services that are in the public cloud, public facing web based services.

    And then there’s the private cloud, which is your servers and things that are may not be physically hosted on site.

    But they’re there databases and systems that you don’t want the public accessing.

    And then there’s your on premise hardware if there’s things like you know, even your laptop, and there’s historically been no way to coordinate the resources well, but one of the things that he said that was really interesting was the hybrid cloud, as a concept is how you manage your data supply chain.

    And in a world where COVID-19 has proven that our supply chains are brittle and easily disrupted.

    starting to think about what your data supply chain looks like is really important.

    He said, I was the quote from yesterday, where your data lives physically in the world matters.

    Because if you have a disruption, say on a server farm in in, I don’t know, Crimea or the 80s Radek, see, you run the same risks of essentially having your operations disrupted.

    As you do if you don’t, somebody just walked into a server and poured water all over your service.

    And so a strategy that allows you to have robust failover and the ability to move your data from place to place as as you need it is important.

    When you think about this, in the marketing context, how many of us are solely Reliant solely reliant on a service like Google Analytics, which is technically public cloud, right? You have no control over now you’re not paying any money for it unless you’re paying for Google Analytics 360.

    But the vast majority of us are not paying for it.

    And so we have no control over if it is disrupted in some way.

    Our data supply chain vanishes.

    Right, a major source of data vanishes, which is one of the reasons why you have to think about potentially a private cloud option something like otomo, which is an open source product you can run in your own private cloud.

    Cloud gathering the exact same data that Google Analytics doesn’t and giving you backup options.

    And then you need obviously the hybrid cloud strategy to to reconcile your Google Analytics data with your my tomo data and figure out how to integrate.

    But it’s a really important concept that I know for sure marketing technologists do not get because marketing tech is about 15 years behind it.

    Information Technology, marketing tech is just discovering a lot of the issues that it solved decades ago.

    And it’s really there.

    But the nice thing is there are opportunities now for marketing technologists, to crib from the lessons of it, and use modern day services, you know, IBM and all its competitors to leap ahead to avoid having to make those 15 years of mistakes in order to get to productivity.

    A couple of things that were useful yesterday sessions.

    IBM has an AI for kids lab which I That was really nice.

    So I’m going to be making my kids do some of it.

    The lot of the keynote speakers were talking about some of the more complex issues around AI such as bias, and diversity and inclusion within technology as a whole, but in particular, artificial intelligence.

    Will will I am had an interesting quote yesterday, he said he was investing in an AI startup and was able to raise funding for it and get everything running.

    And then simultaneously was trying to get funding for a school and he said, why is it that we are is so easy to invest in artificial intelligence, but so hard to get people to invest in human intelligence? Is that where you put your money now is the world you’ll get tomorrow? So where do you want your money to go? What kind of world do you want to live in? I thought it was a useful point of view because yeah, it is easier to get dollars for a piece of technology because the return on investment is The horizon is a much shorter horizon, you can get no invest in and flip a company like a piece of real estate in a few years, couple years to three years.

    Human beings having much longer investment timescale, but where is the equivalent of the investing education like savings bonds people save people save money in a in a 30 year savings bond? Why do we not have that level of financial instrument in investment for companies and for social good projects, something to think about? Finally, in a Reddit AMA with Rob Thomas, not the singer.

    It was open questions about the different IBM technology portfolios, and I asked What about a more consumer equivalent of Watson Studio is AutoAI.

    So AutoAI you’ve heard me talk about a number of times is a really useful tool for data scientists to accelerate modeling and understanding Have a data set, you put it in, it runs all the algorithm tests spits back some results.

    And you look at it, you interpret it.

    It is not in any way shape or form, friendly to the layperson, you still have to understand things like what an RMSE score is what a area under a curve is.

    And I asked a long time ago, five years ago, IBM had a product called Watson Analytics, which is their attempt to make a more consumer friendly version of what was effectively IBM Cognos.

    I said, Will we get something that is that style of thing, but for auto AI? And he said, if you’d like to be a trial user, let me up.

    Because that would be interesting to see how you can not watered down or dumbed down but how do you make the technology more accessible for common use cases? So that somebody doesn’t need to know what RMSE score is in order to get a reasonably viable model.

    It’s a big challenge because there’s so many things that can go wrong.

    In that type of artificial intelligence, that type of machine learning.

    So that was day one.

    Now, again, this is a virtual event, a lot of things that are different, I do miss being able to hang out, you know, they ask a data scientist booth and just pepper them with questions all day.

    I do not miss San Francisco during conference season with $900, hotel rooms, and things like that.

    So, gonna jump into day two today to see what is on tap and dig into some of the more technical sessions and see what’s under the hood there.

    But a good first day and I think, for the foreseeable near term future, this is the way conferences will go.

    So I would encourage everyone to go ahead and sign up for it’s free, and see if you can get some value out of it.

    Because if you can, then you’ll be well prepared for dealing with how conferences are going to be for at least probably in the next year.

    If you can, leave a note in the comments or join my slack group analytics for marketers if you go to Trust insights.ai analytics for marketers, least thoughts about what it would take for you to get value out of a virtual event when the physical event simply isn’t available.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Data Science Tools for Marketers?

    You Ask, I Answer: Data Science Tools for Marketers?

    Monina asks, “What tools are useful to help marketers dig deep into their organization’s data?”

    The answer to this question depends on the level of skill a marketer has in data science, specifically the technical and statistical skillsets. I’d put the available tools in categories of beginner, intermediate, and advanced. Beginner tools help marketers extract and report on the data itself. Intermediate tools help marketers start to understand patterns and relationships in the data. Advanced tools help marketers manipulate, transform, and distill the data.

    • Beginner: Spreadsheets, Google Data Studio, the various data sources
    • Intermediate: IBM Watson Studio, Tableau Software, IBM Cognos
    • Advanced: R, Python, SQL, Scala, Spark, Neo4J

    You Ask, I Answer: Data Science Tools for Marketers?
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    In today’s episode menina asks what tools are useful to help marketers dig deep into the organization’s data? So, tools are part and parcel of the data science world.

    And if you remember, if you recall, data sciences, four major skill sets, business skills, scientific skills, technical skills and mathematical skills, the tools that you use at each in each of those domains are dependent on your skill level, especially the technical and statistical tools.

    The answer to this question really depends on your level of skill as a marketer.

    What do you bring to the table? What are you comfortable with, that you can use to gain value remember a tool is nothing more than a tool is literally a tool by itself.

    It does nothing.

    If you You haven’t laying around, it won’t do the work itself, no matter what the vendor promises you It’s never happened.

    So, like a frying pan.

    If you can’t cook a frying pan, no matter how nice it is, or how expensive it is, is not going to help you, you got to have the skills to back it up.

    So I would put the tools question in three categories, beginner, intermediate and advanced.

    And beginners tools for marketing data science, are specifically about helping marketers report on the data they already have.

    And extract data and maybe do a little bit of visualization.

    So let’s um, let’s actually look at these.

    So bring this up here.

    So beginner tools, again, this is all about extraction of data, right and, and basic manipulation of data.

    So you have things like Google Data Studio, fantastic tool for getting data from a couple different data sources.

    And just looking at it right just being able to put together very simple dashboards, Microsoft Excel, the venerable spreadsheet is one of the most popular applications in business for a reason.

    It’s enough that for people to understand the basics of data analysis, and you can actually do quite a lot with Excel or the spreadsheet application of your of your choice if you use Google Sheets, for example.

    And of course, the platforms themselves Google Analytics, Facebook analytics, Twitter analytics, your marketing, automation analytics, all the platforms have their own basic analytics built in.

    And those are the data sources that in many cases you are going to be pulling data from.

    So those would be the sort of the beginner level tools.

    If we move up one level, intermediate tools, help marketers start to understand patterns and relationships with the data.

    You start manipulating the data, you start putting multiple datasets together or multiple variables together to see the relationships between things to try and dig in and gain some insights like why did something happen and for This you have intermediate tools like IBM Watson Studio, and IBM Cognos.

    Both of those are fantastic tools.

    I prefer Watson Studio because it has the ability to also scale up to an advanced tool but certainly for with things like the SPSS visual model are built in.

    It’s a really powerful tool for helping you manipulate and transform your data and, and do some advanced statistical operations, some more sophisticated statistical operations, and of course, Tableau software.

    Tableau is the market leader in visualization.

    For reason, it is fantastic software, not too hard to get started with.

    But you can do some really amazing advanced stuff with it.

    So I would classify those as the intermediate tools for marketing data science.

    And then for advanced tools.

    advanced tools really are about helping you manipulate your data, transform it, distill it down, run advanced algorithms against it.

    If you’ve seen me talk about machine learning and artificial intelligence.

    These are some of the The tools that you’ll use to get into that level of analysis where you want to understand what caused something, you want to see hidden relationships in your data, you want to use AI to distill down the data into just the parts that matter.

    The two big ones here, of course, are are in Python, two programming languages.

    And then the ancillary tools that you need to be able to extract data at advanced levels, things like, you know, command shells and being able to work with API is natively at the sort of the bare metal version of your computer.

    sequel, The Structured Query Language for working with us structured databases, JSON, JavaScript Object Notation language for working with no SQL databases.

    And so these tools really are sort of the the highest level of of data science in terms of a tool perspective that you’re going to be doing the technical and statistical stuff with.

    There’s no right or wrong answer and There are tons and tons of tools and vendors that I haven’t mentioned here.

    These are the ones that I’ve used and can speak to.

    And I’ve used them recently and can speak to their effectiveness at what it is that they do.

    There are tools and vendors out there for every level of skill and every budget.

    So keep that in mind.

    These are not just the right answers.

    These are the ones that again, I’ve used and I’ve seen other people use very, very recently.

    And other business partners use particularly on the on the beginner side, you know, people should be using Data Studio and it’s okay to be using spreadsheets in the beginning as as a beginner, that’s a great place to get comfortable.

    So if you are uncomfortable with data science, nothing wrong with firing up your spreadsheet and just trying techniques out you can do again a lot of things moving averages, Interquartile ranges, all these statistical techniques, you can do within a spreadsheet as well.

    So it’s a good way to get your feet wet.

    As you progress in your skills as you progress in your growth as a marketer, and as a data scientist, you will naturally run into situations where you’re like, the tool I’m using right now just doesn’t cut it, I can’t do what I want to do in this.

    And that’s when you know, it’s time to move up to that next level, when you when you start to get really frustrated, and you’re like, ah, if only this thing did this, then it’s time to start looking at Okay, what are some, some more solutions that are available? And these are not hard and fast rules.

    You may become so fluent in the statistical stuff or in the programming stuff, even in something like you know, Visual Basic and excel that you might just leap straight to Python and you might just leap straight to our and bypass that intermediate stage.

    That’s okay.

    Again, there’s no right or wrong answer except that if a set of tools is starting to hinder your growth, then it’s time to move up.

    That’s really the only guideline that can give their so these tools useful.

    They need training So make sure that as you buy tools you also by training and by time for training, because you need to skill up on these things.

    And the training part is more important than the tool part.

    You can learn statistics, and never really use more than the spreadsheet.

    Or you can buy, you know, Tableau software, and never pick it up and never use it.

    That’s a waste of money, you will always do better training yourself first, and then buying the tools later.

    So keep that in mind.

    But good question.

    It’s an important question because a lot of people have questions about what tools and it’s really about what’s in the the big computer up here first, so if you have follow up comments, please leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Multi-Objective Optimization for IBM Watson Studio AutoAI?

    You Ask, I Answer: Multi-Objective Optimization for IBM Watson Studio AutoAI?

    Arjuna asks, “Could you please suggest an approach to forecast multiple targets (e.g., is there a way to select multiple columns in AutoAI). In our use case, we need to develop time series forecasts for multiple products. If we correctly understood AutoAI, it will allow us to select one column at a time to generate a forecast… Is there an alternative to select multiple columns (representing multiple targets)? Thank you!”

    IBM Watson Studio AutoAI doesn’t support multi-objective optimization. That’s something you’ll have to do manually with a data scientist and the built-in features for notebooks and coding like R and Python. The reason why is that multi-objective optimization is crazy costly in terms of compute. Combining it with AutoAI would blow up the servers. There’s a lot of research being done right now in this field, and this is a very cutting edge topic. Watch the video for some thoughts on workarounds.

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    You Ask, I Answer: Multi-Objective Optimization for IBM Watson Studio AutoAI?
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    In today’s episode, Arjun asks, could you please suggest an approach to forecasting multiple targets? Is there a way to select multiple columns and IBM Watson Studio Auto AI and our use case, we need to develop time series forecasts for multiple products.

    If we correctly understood Auto AI will allow us to select one column at a time to generate such a forecast.

    Is there an alternative to select multiple columns who are presenting multiple targets? Thank you.

    Okay, so there’s a lot to unpack here.

    One, auto AI does not do time series forecasting Auto AI does either regression or classification.

    So it doesn’t support that at all.

    There are methods for doing time series forecasting.

    In Watson Studio, you’d want to use the SPSS modeler for some of that.

    Watson Studio Auto AI out of the box does not support multi objective optimization.

    In fact, none of the auto AI Auto ML family of technologies right now support multi objective optimization.

    The reason for that is that it auto AI itself is fairly costly because the the the analogy I like to use is, if you’re baking cookies, these tools are essentially varying every possible every oven temperature, every possible ingredient to see what the best overall cookie is.

    That is computationally very costly.

    Multi objective optimization is also very costly.

    And it adds crazy, immense amounts of dimensionality.

    The current technical name for is Pareto multi objective optimization.

    And if you think about two people playing tug of war, right? They’re playing tug of war.

    And the little ribbon in the middle of the rope is the objective right? And they’re pulling back and forth.

    That’s a good example of like, single objective optimization.

    You wouldn’t know somebody Got a win.

    Now imagine tug of war with three people, three people holding on the ropes and there’s still you know, there’s things in the middle and each one has a thing.

    And now that four or five or 10 people playing tug of war all holding different ropes, you can see how very very complex this gets.

    Multi objective optimization gives you many, many different scenarios to to, to plan for.

    And then Auto AI has many scenarios of each scenario.

    So you can see how it just stacks up and becomes computationally unfeasible.

    The way we handle multi objective optimization, most of the time, is doing what’s called a constraint based multi objective optimization where you say there’s guardrails.

    So in the marketing world we have in order we’re doing SEO, we have keywords right and we have the volume of searches for keyword, we have the number of likely clicks on that.

    Word, we have the cost per click, if it’s paid, we have the difficulty, we have to rank for a certain keyword.

    Trying to do a four way or five way algorithm to create the best balance of all the possible outcomes is really difficult because you have to compute every possible edge case.

    You know, sometimes you want difficulty 100, you’ll never rank for this keyword a lot.

    That doesn’t, that’s not very sensible, right? Sometimes you want a zero dollar cost? Well, again, not necessarily all that realistic.

    So what, as data scientists will do is apply constraints first into the data set before we do Auto AI on it will say, you know what, I’m not willing to pay more than seven bucks a click right.

    So that immediately knocks off a certain part of the table.

    I’m not interested in keywords that are, you know, above difficulty score 50 because I know my contents not that good.

    So I’m not going to be able to really rank for stuff about that.

    So let’s chop off that part of the table.

    I’m not really keywords that have no, no search volume will drop off that part of the table.

    And you can see we’re starting to apply constraints to our data set first.

    So that when we stick it into something like Auto AI, we already have a much more slimmed down data set where a single objective now make sense, right? will manually look at the table.

    So you know, I want to optimize for clicks.

    clicks is what I care about traffic to my website.

    But I’m going to apply constraints manually on those other columns.

    I don’t want to below a certain volume or above a certain cost or too tough to rank for.

    And then that goes into Auto AI and auto AI actually makes Auto AI much more efficient, because it has much less data to crawl through.

    So you would apply those constraints in advance.

    You can do this with multi objective optimization as well.

    You’d apply your constraints first.

    And then in Watson Studio, there’s the facility to use our or Python notebooks right within the interface and so you can write your own code to apply Using the odd the multi objective optimization library of your choice to do it there.

    So, you could do that that would not get you the auto AI capability, but it will let you do multi objective optimization, you can also use the decision optimization or the see Plex facilities also within Watson Studio to do some of that if you’re not comfortable coding, again, it doesn’t get you the auto AI capability, but it does get you the decision making capability.

    Finally, on the topic of time series forecasting, time series forecasting is tricky in the sense that you need to do the constraints first then you need to do the auto AI first, next, probably regression, either regression or or classification most of regression to figure out what you want to forecast what is worth forecasting.

    And then you do the time she was forecasting on that.

    So, that’s a three step process.

    There’s you go from constraint to regression to forecast.

    And that’s the process for that is not automated either.

    This actually this whole question, this discussion is really good because it highlights the immense difficulty.

    The data science and AI community is having with a lot of these automated AI solutions, they are good at very narrow tasks, they’re good at one thing, but the number of techniques that you can combine that your human data scientist will know to combine and in what order is very difficult to put together in a machine just have a push the button and and let the machine do its thing.

    It will come in time, but it’s going to be a while.

    It’s not going to be in the next quarters release.

    Let’s let’s put it that way.

    So to answer your question, do your constraints do Auto AI to determine which which features selectors are the most relevant to your outcome? And then due time series forecasting and again, you can do that.

    In the SPSS modeler in Watson Studio, or probably you’ll use a fancier library, like any number of the Python or our libraries to really kick it up a notch after that.

    The good news is within Watson Studio all that even though those are separate pieces, pieces of that can then be pushed to Watson machine learning for production use cases.

    But it is, it’s this is not an easy project, but it is an interesting one, because you’re really talking about the heart of making great decisions using machine learning.

    So, good question.

    You’ve got follow up questions, please leave them in the comments below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: RFM Analysis for Small Business with Google Sheets and IBM Watson Studio

    You Ask, I Answer: RFM Analysis for Small Business with Google Sheets and IBM Watson Studio

    CC asks, “What’s the most valuable analysis overall for a small business to perform?”

    If we define a small business as an enterprise with less than $1 million in sales and fewer than 10 employees, then from an overall business perspective it’s got to be RFM analysis. Nothing else comes close in terms of helping a business understand its customers better and find relatively quick, relatively easy wins to grow revenue. Watch the video for more details. Watch the video for a tutorial on how to perform this analysis.

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    In today’s episode cc asks, What is the most valuable of data analysis that a small business can do overall, what’s the most valuable analysis that a small business could perform? Now, if we define a small business as an enterprise with say less than a million in revenue and fewer than 10 employees, then from an overall perspective, you’re talking about like a storefront, a retail shop, a small consulting firm, startup software company, restaurant, the analysis that is make or break for that business.

    And I think the most valuable one is our FM analysis.

    Our FM stands for recency, frequency, and monetary value.

    That’s a way of analyzing your customers to understand what who are the most valuable customers.

    Because from that analysis, we can make several determinations about what to do next, to increase value for the business.

    Nothing else comes close to me in terms of helping a business understand its customers better, and find those quick wins to grow revenue.

    So let’s look at what this looks like because it’s on the is also a technique that I think is easy enough to perform in a spreadsheet.

    And obviously, if you have some visualization tools, and some more advanced data analytics, you can use those but you don’t need those in order to be able to do basic RFM analysis.

    So let’s let’s put this over here are Femina Alice’s begins by getting all your customer data and you need when was the last time somebody purchased something, how many purchases have they made, and the monetary value of those purchases now because those are three very different metrics.

    There are three different scales, recency is probably a date, range, frequency is probably an integer value, number of purchases, and monetary value is going to be a floating point number, right currency.

    You will need to scale that you need to to to normalize and scale them.

    And the best way to do that is within us within spreadsheet software, it’s easy to do, you can do it obviously and more advanced technology.

    But what you want to do is essentially rearrange those values to be consistently on a one to 10 scale.

    So you would say with reasons that you What’s the oldest possible date, what’s the newest possible date, and then have recency be a 10 is the most recent and a one is the oldest frequency again, you take that scale that min max and you can use actually use the formula min max in many spreadsheet packages.

    To do that same rearranging of most frequent purchases 10 least frequent purchases want and really scale your data back and saying for monetary value, when you’ve done that, you’ll get a spreadsheet that looks like this, your customer ID, you’ll have your recency one to 10 frequency one to 10 and monetary value one to 10, I would suggest adding in a total value column called total value, and just doing a sum across the table.

    Now I have these this is dummy data.

    So you’ll notice that values are changing because it’s it is simply just randomized numbers.

    But now I have let’s go ahead and copy this to a new sheet so that the numbers stop changing.

    All right.

    Paste Special values only.

    Now if I rearrange my table, a little bit Conditional Formatting here just to make it easy to see.

    Customer AA two is my most valuable customer, right.

    High recency, high frequency, high monetary value.

    Let me scroll down here, let me get into the into the service suburbs customer a 770 is my least valuable customer, right low frequency, low risk, low recency or low frequency low monetary value.

    Now from this, there’s a couple things that we can do.

    Number one, for those customers, which are the most valuable customers, and you may want to break this into core tiles or whatever statistical format you want to just do it in the third’s break the table into thirds.

    Your most valuable customers, you’ve got to keep them happy.

    So you know, your top 10.

    Those are the folks that you would want to invite to like a customer to a focus group or something.

    Let’s say you know your restaurant, right, those top 10 customers, you invite them in for a once a year, maybe twice a year, come in for a free meal.

    And tell us what you like and don’t like right because you’re here a lot we know you bye name Come on in.

    Same is true.

    If you are a SAS software company, customer advisory board, those are the people that you invite to your customer advisory board, because they’re the ones giving you all the money for those customers, you will then want to do a bit of segmentation on this.

    Who comes in who has comes in a lot, but isn’t worth a lot and rearrange the table and sort that and say okay, well, what can we do to get those people come in more, right or bought or buy more frequently from us as many more email marketing more retargeting ads? for those folks who are not monetary value, but come in a lot? What can we do to get you to buy more those people you might want to run surveys to and say, hey, what, what do you wish we had that we don’t have as as products and services.

    Now, again, there are there are straightforward ways of doing that sort of analysis.

    And then there are very advanced ways of doing that analysis.

    One of my favorite ways to do clustering.

    And this is something that you can do in software like IBM Watson studio.

    So I’m going to show you a quick example to overwrite that.

    And let’s go ahead and click in here.

    I want to refine this.

    I’ll do a quick visualization on this.

    Penn fun, let’s just do a little bit of 3d.

    We want our recency, our frequency, our monetary value.

    And then for our color, our total value.

    Right.

    So in this case, the red or the.is, the more valuable it is.

    So you can really see there’s some customers here, they’re just in the suburbs right there.

    These are the customers that are not great.

    If I have customers who are high frequency, high recency but low monetary value, like this person right here in the corner.

    That would be somebody’s customer ID on that.

    So recency, frequency, high recency, high frequency, low monetary value, this person right here a 94? That’d be somebody I’d reach out to and say, hey, what can we do to get you to buy more? On the other hand, we have somebody who has high monetary value, right? But low frequency they they were in recently, what can we do to get them to buy more so you can we can cluster our data with more sophisticated tools to really pull out segments and market to them.

    But that, to me is the most valuable form of analysis we can do as a small business.

    And again, you don’t have to use the cool fancy visualization tools, you really can do all this and just a very basic spreadsheet to understand who your customers that are most viable, who are the customers who you could increase their value.

    And then who are the customers who it may not be worth your time to focus in on them.

    So that analysis is something that every small business owner should be doing.

    I would say honestly monthly so that you’re staying on top of your customer base and you’re seeing the changes like are your efforts to bring back in frequent customers? Are they working and getting customers to come back more frequently? So great question, important question.

    I hope that you run this analysis for yourself, for your businesses.

    And if you have any further column comments, leave them in the comments box below.

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