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Fun Fact Friday: Social Influencer Benchmarks
In today’s episode, I take you behind the scenes for what went into the Trust Insights 2019 Social Media Influencer Benchmark report. Learn why we chose the measures we did, what surprises we found along the way, and how the report could save you a whole bunch of money on influencer marketing. Watch the video, then get your copy of the report here.

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In today’s episode a bit of behind the scenes on the new trustee and sites 2019 social media influencer benchmarks report would you can get trust insights.ai slash influencer benchmark this report is something that originally was actually going to be just a initially it’s just like a single infographic but then as start pulling the data to get this like wow this is a little bit more than just a one page infographic although certainly can have

the top line results so some behind the scenes about how we put this thing together This is a really fantastic service from Facebook they bought a company a number years ago called crowd tangled which is available for free but only to academics, researchers and journalists and anybody who was grandfathered in from the from when it was a separate company that was a paid service and we

What’s amazing about crowd tangle is that it allows you to gather up lists of accounts or they provide pre made lists of essentially influencers of wall of any public account on facebook twitter instagram and read it and we took the top influencer lists from Facebook Twitter and Instagram because those are the sort of the Big Three that people tend to use a lot these days and pulled a set day by day because there’s so many posts day by day everything that those influencers were posting this is about 50,000 influencers on each network so hundred 50,000 total all of those decent amount of overlap particularly between Twitter and Instagram this

like I forget exactly how much but it’s it’s the majority isn’t isn’t overlap

and extracted out 4 million posts per network

and put it all together in this massive database and then

From the database, we used the our programming language didn’t have to do a whole lot of machine learning really any I mean nothing that you would classify as like high end machine learning. Because a lot of what’s in a lot of what’s in the benchmark is statistical in nature. It’s not something that requires advanced computation, looking at things like means and medians and modes and stuff. And basic stats is stuff that are as a programming language does have a box really brilliantly so not much in the way of machine learning, but a lot of statistical analysis. So what were some of the things that we found

let’s bring this up here. I mean, I call it up it’s easier to see the graphic

the

the Instagram top to your audience. So one of the things we did was to divide the audience into decimals which is like a core Tyler quintile, but decibel meaning 10 so take every large audience and divided into 10 pieces of the top 10% to the bottom 10%

and we had to look at what

Was that top tier the people that everyone’s always looking at, like the mega influencers? How big are those audiences? And one of the thing that’s funny about social media marketing in general, but social media specific as you have to use mediums a lot, because what happens is

it’s sort of like a Pareto principle at 20, right? Where there’s a few influences the very high end who like ginormous Lee famous, and then there’s a whole bunch of people who aren’t. And if you use an average, those outliers at the very top end skew everything and it makes it makes the data unreliable. Like for example, if five people were sitting in a room of the five normal people single and Bill Gates was in the room,

or Jeff Bezos was in the room. The average salary would be something like half a billion dollars, but only one of the people in that room was a multi billionaire. And so you have to use the medium and a lot of cases for social media data. So I was surprised to find the Instagrams the medium.

Top to your audience for those people in the top 10% about 5 million people, whereas for Twitter and Facebook is about 8 million people so Instagram, even though it is the the influence of platform does your

deal isn’t the people the top and don’t have, you know as as large an audience as they do on those other two networks that are arguably more mature older, but Instagram’s engagement rate is

literally 70 times better than Facebook’s, and something like 100 times better than a little bit less than 100 times better than Twitter’s. So if you’re looking for

where to spend your time getting influencers if your audience is on Instagram, Instagram is the place the engagement rates are fantastic and this is a really important clarification about the support. These are the benchmarks across the audiences. We did not segment down into specific industries and verticals or niches or even in the

Inside your micro audience, because,

well, frankly, that’s be like 5000 page report, no one read it, but

your mileage will vary, right? Unless you are rock, right? Or unless you are

a Kardashian or Warren Buffett or whatever you’ll be able to talk to your influencers you’re going to get different results. And one of the interesting things I found in the report was that when we were putting it together

micro influence is this idea of people who are not like super mega famous but have maybe one or five or 10,000 followers actually get much higher engagement rate says Dave Cutler calls that the law of diminishing influencer returns but if you are working on building up your company’s following and your audience and your community emphasis on community,

you don’t need big numbers to get good engagement rates and to be able to be seen by the algorithms and

For the love of all that’s holy in whatever you profess, do not buy followers do not buy audiences because it just damages your engagement rates like crazy. So please don’t do that. And if you have, do that, maybe unfollow those people or something like that.

So there’s a lot to unpack in the support. How you should use it is you want to use it in three ways. You want to use it to calibrate your strategies, or as to which platform to be on remembering that your mileage will vary. You want to use this to set expectations with if you’re going to be paying money to an influencer, you want to have an idea of where they stand in terms of because one of the pages in here we actually show by tier so if you’re buying somebody who’s got, you know, a half million influence audience members, then their engagement rate for that should be close to 1% on Instagram, right? So if you if you buy in and you get like one 10th of 1%, then you know that that influence was not up to scratch you can all

Also use social media monitoring tools or

you know social social intelligence tools to figure out is is that person worth buying so now you can evaluate the influence of before you spend money and say like wow you’re really below the benchmark for an audience your size so why should I pay you you know $40,000 if your your individual data is is so far below the median and you can use it to benchmark your own efforts right if you got a couple thousand followers on Instagram check out your engagement rates and say hey actually we’re not doing so bad so there’s a lot to unpack in the report it is free you can get it at trust insights AI slash influencer benchmark I hope you enjoy it find it useful and can and can make some good decisions with your influencer marketing with it so go pick up your copy today and thanks for watching as always, and please subscribe to the YouTube channel on the newsletter take care want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. This is trusted insights.ai

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March 15, 2019
You Ask, I Answer: How to Start Marketing from Scratch?
Kirill asks, “If you were starting from scratch in 2019 with no budget, what would you do to gain traffic for your project?”

The answer to this question is contingent on what the project or product is. One of the flaws of modern marketing is that we spend too little time on product marketing itself – making a better product. Concerns like traffic are irrelevant if your product sucks. Once you have a product that solves a real problem which requires almost no explanation, and that massive audiences are desperate for your solution, a couple of tactics work really well. Watch the video to learn which ones.

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In today’s episode, Carol asks, If you were starting from scratch and 2019 with no budget, what would you do to gain traffic for your project?

The answer to this question is contingent on what the project or product is. One of the one of the critical flaws of Modern Marketing today is that we spend so much time on the marketing part like how do I get more traffic? How do I get more leads? How do I get more sales? How do I get more followers? How do I do all of these things and marketing operations which are important you do need to be able to do these things

to be able to be successful as a modern marketer but we don’t spend enough time on the product marketing side itself that is making a product that people actually want

concerns like traffic are around

If your product sucks, if your product is terrible, if your product doesn’t solve a problem, if it’s a solution, in search of a problem,

all of your marketing operations efforts are going to be wasted. You’ll be very frustrated, you’ll be very unhappy

and you won’t get the results you’re looking for.

I remember I was working at

another company wants and there was one customer that had this product was a in an anti money laundering cryptocurrency and they were it took them like 45 minutes to explain the product and and the mostly hypothetical problem it solved

like no one is going to want this thing a part of the whole idea of the cryptocurrency was the so that you couldn’t be traced and things like that. And this is 2017. So that’s sort of the height of the the craziness and

Then your solution and, and your ability to explain the problem took so long, so long that

I was like, no one’s gonna buy this thing, no one’s going to want this thing, no one’s going to invest in this thing because

it doesn’t solve a problem. If anything, it it is antithetical to the problem that the bigger product category solves. And so

unsurprisingly, the the company went kaboom. And

there you know, there was there was no way to market this thing. So,

whatever your product or project is, has to solve a real problem that real people and a lot of real people have and that real people are desperate for a solution for if you have that and your product or project requires almost no explanation,

then there are very strict

forward you know traffic and awareness generation tactics that work really well so

let’s say

your product helps make

purchasing something easier right? It is maybe it’s an app on your phone that that streamlines purchases and it works so well. So well that a person just a wave their phone in a magic pattern like you know, it’s kind of a silly example. But yeah, maybe have to draw their initials in the air with the phone and, and the phone knows that they’re the intended purchase something

and there’s no friction. They don’t have to, they don’t have to do any kind of special crazy authentication. They just they just wave their phone like a magic wand,

and the phone knows. Okay, whatever transactions being asked for it. Now complete the transaction.

That’s always a real problem. Because face ID, and bumpkins, fingerprint ID and credit cards and stuff are still friction points for the

User so what would you do if you had this magic wand product? You give it away. You give it a way to as many people as you possibly can, especially influencers within your niche or vertical or industry and you let them do the talking about if it’s really if it’s really as good as

you believe it is that handing it away to people

and we just have to be open to the world. It can be this like group or 50 or 100 people, but say, Hey,

I got this thing. I’d like you to talk about this thing. I’m giving it away.

There’s no risk to you. There’s no risk to your audiences to try this thing out

and see what happens if it works. Well

if it does what it says it does, then you should have absolutely no trouble getting people to adopt thing and use the thing

that’s one very obvious tactic that with no money with no budget, starting from scratch.

Do your research, figure out who’s got the goods? Who’s got the audience that needs the product that you have and give it away to them and see what happens.

The second thing if you have no budget,

you have to rely on basic things like SEO. SEO is still one of the best ways to generate

awareness and traffic and attention unbranded SEO meaning that you know if nobody if you’re starting from scratch and nobody has any idea who you are, what your brand is, then you put all your efforts on to creating content that explains

the the solutions for the problem that you solve. Again, if the audience if your audience is desperate for a solution to your problem, then creating content that has high search volume and is attractive

is

The Way to go,

let’s say

a very common problem in marketing itself is lead quality, right? So if you create a whole bunch of great, I mean, terrific content

that for free about solving lead quality problems, you will reap the benefits of it. It will take a long time, it will take a long time, but you can win, you can win on that if you are creating content that is better than anyone elses. And that solves a real problem and they just keep harping on this. It’s got to solve a real problem. So much of what’s in the marketplace right now doesn’t solve anything

or eat in fact, in some cases, it makes it worse working on

a part of my book right now on

some different technologies for machine learning. And there are cases where machine learning is the wrong answer is the wrong hands. It will make things worse, so

Keep that in mind. So that’s that’s the way I would approach it in 2019, SEO and influencers with a product that people actually want and if you don’t have that don’t bother doing the marketing fix the product first. As always please leave any further comments in the comments box and of course leave it subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter I’ll talk to you soon. Thanks for watching one help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. This is trust insights.ai today and let us know how we can help you

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December 27, 2018
You Ask, I Answer: How to Evaluate Influencer Marketing Software?
Jim asks, “What should we be looking for in influencer marketing software? We need a BS detector for all the sales pitches.”

Influencer marketing software has to fulfill at least one of three functions:
- Identification – finding influencers through proven methods.
- Outreach and management – managing the outreach, assets, contracts, etc. of influencers like a CRM.
- Analytics and measurement – measuring campaign performance against goals.
Right now, the market has a few all-in-one solutions, but they tend to do one thing well and be terrible at the other two. Your best bet in the near-term is to look at best-in-class point solutions for each category. Referenced in this video is Talkwalker software.

How do you tell one influencer marketing product from the next? Here’s my BS detector for influencer marketing software and frankly, any marketing technology software:
- Data export – what are the limits? The best companies will let you export massive quantities of unrefined data. Anyone imposing strict limits either has a scale problem or is sampling data and not able to see the full spectrum of data.
- Insight into algorithms – how does it make decisions? Anyone claiming “proprietary algorithm” with no details is BS – and dangerous. There are only a handful of credible mathematical algorithms for influencer identification at the core.
- Network reach – the more social networks, the better – but there’s a catch.
- Integrations – how easily does the software integrate with the rest of your marketing technology stack?
- Training – it should be offered but not mandatory – the UI should be self explanatory. Beware any product that requires you to take their training, as it means their UI is not intuitive.
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Jim asks.

What should we be looking for? An influencer marketing software.

We need a B s detector for all the sales pitches.

Influencing Mark Influencer marketing software has to fulfill one of three functions.

Identification finding influencers.

Can you find influences effectively using the software that are the good ones? Outreach in management, which is like a C arm, you have a list of influencers that you’re reaching out to.

You have the status of those pitches.

You have a contractual stuff.

If you need, you have assets to send them.

LINC.

Tracking and possibly payment management depending on the type of influences you working with, And third is analytics and Measurement influencer marketing software.

I should be doing analytics and measurement.

You’ve done a campaign or you’re doing a campaign and you need to know how it’s going now.

Not every package of influence of marketing software is going to do all three.

In fact, the few that attempt to offer usually do one thing well into things badly.

So right now your best bet is probably assumes a point.

Solutions that integrate with your central marketing systems to manage that when it comes to disassembling sales pitches to see what’s real and what’s not.

There are five B s detectors that I use God and asking these questions will help you understand what kind of software company you’re working with.

Number one Data Export.

What are the limits of what Influencer marketing software will let you export? The best company is the best influence of market packages Will let you export massive quantities of UN refined data.

You could, for example, I use a product called talk Walker.

Put a link on the show notes.

If you want to take a look at it.

No.

I’ll put in a hashtag for like, a major conference, and I want to be able to export all of the conversations about the conference.

And so what? Their software? I could pull out a couple hundred thousand or even half a million mentions at a time, because I want to do my own data processing on it.

I used to work with other influence of marketing platforms, and they had very strict limits.

You know, you’re only down with five thousand records of ten thousand records.

Well, if you’re working in an event like, you know, VM World or CS or Dreamforce, it’s like tent.

Pick me ten thousand mentions in an hour.

So having those export limits be very, very high is a good indicator that the company knows what it’s doing and has a robust data pipeline.

And the reason for that is if a company won’t let you get past a certain number of records, there’s a good chance they’re sampling on.

They’re not able to pull all the actual data s, so it’s it’s a It’s a hint that things might not be as as robust on the back end.

Number two insight into their algorithms.

This is a big one.

How does especially for influence identification? How does the software make decisions? Anyone who makes a claim of this is our proprietary algorithm powered with machine learning but provides no details.

Is selling ups right? Because anyone could make a proprietary algorithm? I could make a proprietary already involves throwing darts in my wall.

Ah, pendant.

That’s no good to me.

That’s no good to you.

They don’t have to give you every aspect, every detail of the secret sauce, but they’ve got to be able to explain the algorithms.

And here’s the thing.

Influencer marketing analysis Use is very, very common mathematical algorithms.

On the back end, there are probably four five major ones that that they use and you can do little tweaks and adjust the formulas.

But the course of the same it’s like, you know, making an omelet.

Fundamentally, structurally, there’s only so many ways you can make a an arm and still be able to call it an omelet.

You’ll have your own secret herbs and spices, but still omelet.

Same is true with influence or marketing algorithm, says four five core algorithms, that that pretty much anyone who knows what they’re doing has to be be using.

So be ready to ask those questions and get a data science friend to talk to about what those algorithms are so that you could get some some clarity into them to number three network.

Reach the more social networks, the better you want.

Influencer marketing software that does identification and management and analytics.

To be able to see into multiple social networks someone bets only has just a Facebook tool or just a instagram tool or whatever is going to be less useful to you that something that can see across a bunch of networks.

The catch is this.

Make sure that they’re doing in an above board away.

What you don’t want is a company that is scraping data against the terms of service of a network, because what can happen is that companies can get shut down.

There was a tool a number of years ago that was fantastic and instagram.

It was called Majin metrics, and Instagram said, You’re violating our terms of service and they were completely cut off, and they’re like, Oh, sorry, we got to close up shop.

We could no longer access any part of Instagram.

So make sure that companies were doing that date access the right way through the approved AP Eyes number four How many integrations does the influence of marking software support on the identification side? What other data inputs doesn’t take in on the management side? Doesn’t you know what serums and packages doesn’t work with on the payment side, which payment gateways and payment platforms doesn’t work with And on the analytics? And measurements aside, if it doesn’t talk to Google Analytics, I’m probably not the best analytics and measure platform, right? That’s it.

Would you like to be a very straightforward thing? Doesn’t integrate with here.

You are all short now.

Does integrate with your asset management library all the the more integrations that are relevant to you, the better that software is going to be.

And finally, and this one’s a fun one.

Training training for an influencer marketing for any kind of of SAS base software should be offered, should be accessible should be free or included with the price of the product.

But it should not be mandatory if training is mandatory in a product that tells me that you the you I or the logical system is so complex, so messy that they can’t they know you’re not going to get value at a party if you don’t sit through one of their demos.

I’ve worked in the marketing automation software company a number of years ago, and they’re like, No, no, you have to do it our way and the secrets like, I know what I’m doing with this software and if I can’t figure your software out is not very good software, you know, I could use part dot with my eyes closed, and they’re like, No, no, you have to do it this way and you have to watch his twenty minute video on how to set up MX records in your DNA.

I know how to do that.

Anyone who’s done marketing automation suffers had to go through that.

You don’t need a twenty minute training to tell me howto copy and paste two lines of text.

And so we have actually ended up canceling their contract, saying, Okay, if we’re not allowed to set this up the way we want has paying customers, I don’t want to use your software.

So for influence of marketing software, take the demo.

Take a better yet, take a trial of it and see if how much of it you can figure out without the manual.

If you don’t need the manual and you can get core tasks like him, I want to log in and see who is most influential at VM World, and you could do that.

That is a good chance that the software is well designed and well thought about and easy to use, and which means that any training you do take is going to amplify your capabilities.

But you’ve gotten the basics down because the software so intuitive as it is.

So those are my five big B s detectors for influence of marking software and, frankly, for a whole bunch of any, any kind of marking software.

Can you get data out? Can you get data in? Can you doesn’t do what you want to do on the places that you care about.

Do they tell you how it works and is the training available but not mandatory? Use those five tests to figure out who’s who in influence or marketing, and you’ll have a much easier time of weeding out the wheat from the chaff.

And some of these questions it it will challenge the salesperson they’ll need to probably bring in like a systems engineer, something particularly on the algorithm aside, if they’re unwilling to do that.

If they’re unwilling to answer any of these questions, run away.

They’re not a very good company, so thanks, Jim, for the question it leave your follow up comments in the comments below.

And please subscribe to the YouTube channel in the newsletter, and I’ll talk to you soon.

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December 21, 2018
You Ask, I Answer: How to Measure The Value of Influencer Marketing
Mark asks, “How do you find the value in influencer marketing? What’s the best way to determine what’s working?”

Influencer marketing is nothing new. Companies have been marketing with celebrities for decades, and we have well-defined ways to work with celebrities – and measure their outputs. Let’s take a walk through an effective way to measure influencers.

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In today’s episode Mark asks How do you find the value in influencer marketing what’s the best way to determine what’s working this is a very popular topic a very important topic and one that a lot of folks in influencer marketing are not doing well and it’s not because it’s not because influencer marketing is some kind of snake oil although the absolutely are certain influencers who probably over promise and under deliver the problem is that we’re treating influencer marketing like something that’s brand new and it’s not companies have been using influencer marketing for decades it was just called something else. It was called things like celebrity sponsorship or celebrity marketing. We look at influencer marketing for that perspective. There are very well defined ways to work with celebrities to work with influencers and measure their outputs measure what it is that they’re bringing to the table. So the problem isn’t that we can’t measure this thing. It’s that we just haven’t made a solid, rigorous efforts to do so. So let’s walk through ways we can do this to measure the effectiveness of influencers. The number one thing with as with any form of marketing campaign is to set goals, what goal are we after. And there’s different kinds of goals based on the type of influence you want to work with. But that has to be set body of business strategy,

the three major goals, most influencers

are, can be effective at driving towards our brand awareness, prospect, or lead generation or referrals, word of mouth and conversions or sales.

So it really is sort of,

if you think about it, in classical marketing, operations, terms, top of funnel, middle of funnel, bottom of the funnel, what are the different ways that influences can can deliver those results, all those goals are, again, things that we as marketers have defined in the past and can work with pretty easily. The second step is to then set our KPIs to match those goals throughout the marketing operations funnel. And I call the marketing operations funnel because we know the customer journey is nonlinear. But in terms of responsibilities within our organizations, and in terms of measurement systems, we do still have to have a a quasi linear path to measure on. So we do want to have that setup for the operation side internally. So what are the KPIs that measure those goals? How do you if brand awareness is your goal? How do you currently measure brand awareness. And this is where the influence of marketing disconnect works, because in a lot of cases, companies don’t have really good rigorous system setup to measure something like brand awareness.

So

for brand awareness, there are things like unaided brand recall, focus groups, surveys,

one of the easiest ones that I’m always baffled that companies don’t do a very good job of analyzing this, how did you hear about us, when, when you have an intake point for a newsletter signup, or a new deal, whatever the cases, very few companies ask, so how’d you hear about us and leave it open ended? Like there’s usually the companies that do have a drop down with like, six things, and almost everyone puts in other because the six things that they picked were from a pick list from like, 1997. So asking people, hey, how did you hear about us is, is a really important simple step for things like measuring brand awareness when you’re measuring prospects and lead generation and referrals. That should be fairly straightforward. Howard, how do you track those things currently is it in your marketing automation system, your email system,

and of course conversions, and sales, where are those tracks

acting in a CRM and in your P system in Excel spreadsheet, and some guys cubicle wherever it is, you track it, you’d be able to identify the systems that go with the KPIs that are are bonded to those goals. The third thing you do is you establish the metrics that feed those KPIs. So

if sales is your KPI, what are all the data points that feed a sale if prospect or or

generation of new audiences is a goal as your KPI? How do you track those things,

looking at things like branded organic search Are you looking at things

like referral traffic from outside websites,

once you establish the metrics, the KPIs and the goals you are effectively building a chain of evidence

that you would use for any marketing method, but with influencers

in particular with influencers, you have the ability to to require tracking

in ways that you can’t do with say like earned media. If someone says something nice about you, and you don’t have a formal agreement in place, it’s very hard for you to go in and make changes or updates or things like that. When you are paying somebody as an influencer to do work on your behalf you absolutely can say hey, you need to use all these tracking links as part of the contract

we want to be able to measure the impact of what you’re

doing when you’re when you’re talking about the brand here’s the custom URL the custom one 800 number the custom whatever

but you need that infrastructure in order to be able to draw that chain of evidence and say hey here’s how

your influence is leading to business outcomes we care about and if the influencer is actually good at what they do they have actual influence you will see that show up you will see that show when someone fills out a referral form on our your website and when they say how did you hear about us say heard a talk by john wall at at your conference

they felt the full text box and say I watched a video of gaining Roberto on YouTube.

Whatever the influencer is doing

you should see that show up in your audience when you’re working with them. For whatever the the outcome is now for squishier things like

brand awareness. brand. Awareness isn’t squishy. It’s just that most companies don’t want to spend the money to measure their brand effectively.

One of the most straightforward ways to do this, it’s not perfect if you’re not if you’ve got some money to spend, be running surveys in market using you can use Google surveys to and and do continuous one question survey

or maybe a two questions survey, like a like an NPS survey to your target audience and say, Have you heard of this brand? And then or what is your intent to purchase from Brand X and the next 90 days or what is your likelihood that you will recommend Brand X and the next time you days

if you’re running those surveys

you can ask a third question possibly

have you heard someone so recommend Brand X and if the answer for and you’re serving a population of thousands of people or 1500 people or 2000 people as a sample pool if not a single one says yes so and so recommend I heard someone so recommend Brand X then you know your influencer marketing doesn’t have any effect you want because you’re you’re asking people and they’re like, yeah,

so there are very clear ways to measure influencers, the measure the value of influencers, based on the KPIs, map those KPIs to the value that they’re that have your company and then you track the living daylights out of the influences you’re working with and

expect absolutely expect if you

make the requirements more onerous for reporting on the behalf of the influencer, then you’re probably gonna have to pay more for them as opposed to just handing someone a some money and saying hey, just talk about this. So there is rigor required an effort required for both the brand and the influence in order to make the measurement work but you absolutely can measure influencer marketing you can establish the value of an influencer and you can determine what’s working and who’s working out for your brand and who’s not but you just have to do the work and treat it like celebrity marketing or any other form of advertising where you are being detailed and thorough and you’re tracking great question mark. If you have additional questions, please leave them in the comments. And as always, please subscribe to the YouTube channel on the newsletter and I’ll talk to you soon. Take care what help solving your company’s data

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November 28, 2018
You Ask, I Answer: Influencers in Highly Regulated Industries
Robert asks, “This is good information, but I have a more basic question about B2B influencer marketing. My company manufactures specialty chemicals for a niche market. We know that companies use our products, but we need some influencers to help drive our sales more. The problem is that companies that use our products are typically quite secretive about their patented products, which are typically used in highly regulated environments.

To counter this secrecy, I have been blogging for my company on the company’s blog site about published reports in scientific journals where individual researchers and research groups have used our products successfully. This has helped drive sales a little bit, but not much. I also do social media outreach (Twitter, Facebook, and LinkedIn) on behalf of my company.

What I would really like to do if find influencers who can speak credibly about our products. Unfortunately, the people who would be the best influencers work in this niche industrial space and are bound by company policy and/or NDAs not to talk about what they do. So, given all of that, how do I go about finding people who are influencers but who can also talk about how our products can make these products better? Or am I sort of stuck since this is a normally-highly-regulated niche market?”

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In today’s episode, Robert asks, I have a more basic question about b2b influencer marketing. My company manufactures special chemicals for a niche market. We know that companies, user products, we need influencers to help drive our sales more. And I’ve been blogging, my company’s blog and social media, Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, on behalf of my company, etc. What I really want to do is find influencers. You can speak credibly about our products. Unfortunately, people who’d be the best influencers work in this space and are bound by MBAs and company policy to not talk about what they do. So given all that, how do I go about finding people who are influences but it can also talk about our products

make these products better and or my stuck since this is a highly regulated market. Good question. not uncommon and b2b because b2b, especially once you get down in the specific niches does have

not as many industry

interest and those influencers typically are as you mentioned locked down to some other company so you have two choices here fundamentally it’s builder by

the first choice is to build your own influencers and this is it may be you but it may also be other people in the company who are subject matter experts that you can use and instead of focusing on building an influencer program, you’re going to help them build their personal brands. So you’re going to help them get published more you’re going to help them be prominent on the networks and then the places where they are most credible and have the highest reach

in specific markets, especially scientific, medical and pharmacy markets. Though the influence there may not be in LinkedIn, for example, although that’s not a bad place to be.

But it may be in scientific journals. It may be in books, maybe an academic publishing it may be at conferences for

example if if you make chemicals that would be appropriate for say oncology, you may want to look at it at a an event like ASCO, the American Society of cancer oncologists.

And so you’re going to build your own influencers, that’s one avenue. And that’s going to take a long time, it will take a while for people to get comfortable building their personal brands, be proficient at it, make the time for it, which is a real problem with subject matter experts. They are quite rightly focused so heavily on being experts that they don’t have time to do the legwork around it. And so if you’re committed to this path, you may want to have a someone who’s a junior marketer or a coach or an admin or something, do the legwork on behalf of that person posting for them, for example, recording conversations and transcribing them and creating content around those so you

You up, you may want to create a content engine around one or more subject matter experts. I recommend having as many as possible

in highly regulated markets, in all b2b markets. If someone leaves the company, they take their personal brand with them there, there is no way to transfer that brand to somebody else. So one of the most important things is to have a deep bench of subject matter experts so that if one or more leave, you have the ability to continue on with the program and have people be prominent, ideally, at least one of the people who is on your bench is

an executive, especially someone who’s got a big stake in the game. So a founder, a co founder, a CEO, someone who is materially invested in the company and is unlikely to leave because they have this this massive commitment. So that’s the bill to push the by approach.

is even more

could be more expensive. But it’s more interesting because just as people leave companies to go elsewhere to go to what they perceive as greener pastures, there is the opportunity to go scout and recruit someone. So if there is someone in your field in your industry who is highly influential, that might be a consideration for hiring, like equally true, you might have things like how large is your LinkedIn network as part of the acquisition process for new talent.

Now, again,

you might end up just grabbing true subject matter experts and then having a team of people around that person to help create and promote and things for them

but that’s not the worst thing in the world to consider when you’re when you’re hiring is what kind of of publicity priorities do we also want a high ranking or a highly visible person to have within the industry and I would suggest

When you do that, make sure that it is explicitly stated as part of the job description. And perhaps even in their employment agreement that they agreed to spend a certain amount of time promoting the company on your behalf and with clear requirements so that they know what they’re getting into. And you know what it is that you’re likely to get

when I worked with a couple of pharmaceutical companies at a at a past role. There were folks who were legitimate subject matter experts and they had speaking and publishing as requirements the same as like a tenured professor almost. So they had to do a certain amount of work in order to maintain their their status within that community.

If I had to pick an approach I would pick the build approach because once you have a personal branding team established within a company, it becomes easier to apply that team to multiple executives to multiple subject matter experts and as people come and go

They go into the machine and as and then see their brand rise. That machine also is in some ways a a fringe benefit for employees. If they if an employee wants to participate, wants to promote the company and wants to grow their personal brand, having that team of experts or having a team of marketers who are skilled in building someone’s personal brand be available is the way to go. Because

not only is it a benefit to the employees, but it’s actually a disincentive for people to leave because they know once they leave the company and once they lose that access to that team, the train stops rolling right there. They then have to do all that work for their personal brand. They no longer have someone doing it for them. So they’re

if they care about that prominence, if they care about that publicity, they may be less inclined to leave for greener pastures. So it is

A potential fringe benefits. So good question. challenging question.

If you want to take a look at, you know what a team like that looks like,

go to an into

some of the the video is on Gary van or Chuck’s YouTube channel. Now, he has a team of 20 doing his self promotion. And so that’s almost certainly unrealistic for any initiative. You start out with, at least in the in the beginning, you’re going to have one person a more junior person, the beginning but they can still fulfill the same basic activities which is creating content it’s it’s the the standard content marketing content, create, distribute, activate measures a little create content on behalf of your subject matters. They’ll publish it, they’ll distribute it they’ll reach out to other people who are prominent in the space who are not competitors publications for example, and then they’ll measure and provide updated reporting to the subject matter experts about what’s happening with their personal

brand

but that would be that would be the start get somebody who’s got a year to a marketing experience who can be trained and can learn things like crazy teach them how to do personal branding on behalf of someone else and then set them free and provide provide metrics for it. So great question Robert. As always, if you have additional questions, please leave them in the comments. Subscribe to the YouTube channel on the newsletter and I’ll talk to you soon. Take care

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November 5, 2018
You Ask, I Answer: Paid Influencers and Message Effectiveness
Tammy asks, “In theories of persuasion from social psychology, the effectiveness of a message to persuade someone is significantly harmed when a receiver of the message becomes aware of any ulterior motivations (i.e., getting compensation) that the source of the message may have for making that argument, or they believe that someone is trying to persuade them. This has always concerned me when it comes to formal agreements being set with influencers. While your goal is to be transparent, the second that you disclose that you are in a relationship with a company, I begin questioning whether your recommendations come from truly loving and believing in the product or because you are receiving some sort of compensation. Therefore, the whole thing backfires. Any thoughts on combating this?”

Full disclosure, I’m not a psychologist. That said, I refer to Robert Cialdini’s factors of influence from his many books on the topic:
- Reciprocity
- Consistency
- Social proof
- Authority
- Liking
- Scarcity
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In today’s episode, Tammy asks, as a follow on to the previous question in theories of persuasion from social social psychology, the effectiveness of my message to persuade someone is significantly harmed when a receiver of the message becomes aware of any ulterior motivations, such as getting compensation that the source of the message may have for making that argument or they believe that someone is trying to persuade them. This is always concerned me when it comes to formal agreements being set with influencers, while your goal is to be transparent. The second you disclose that you’re in a relationship with the company. I question whether your recommendations come from truly loving and believing the product or because you’re receiving some sort of compensation. Therefore, the whole thing backfires. Any thoughts on combating this?

I’m not a psychologist,

probably the work that comes to mind. Most is Robert Cialdini has many, many books on influence.

And sort of his six core factors of influence reciprocity, consistency, social proof, authority, liking scarcity and

very quickly reciprocity is someone does something for you you feel a social depth to do something for them consistency is people wanting to do things that are consistent with their past behaviors social proof is bandwagon effect everyone everyone else is doing and I should be to authority which is trusting people who are in authority figures buying from people who would like liking and scarcity a limitation you’re on sale now limited time or limited numbers those are the sort of the the six ways that businesses and people in general can influence other people now of those six three of them relate to influencers social proof is one the other people are doing it particularly if you see an influence talk about something and then all

whole bunch of other people share it, comment on it retweeted etc, as a way to, to to show us social proof that hey this is a an important thing so somebody talking about

a server and encryption method in b2b a perfume a fragrance a coffee and b2c,

there’s a social proof element to that. The second factor that makes a lot of sense is authority so influencers by default are somewhat authoritative figures in the sense that we look up to them we look up to them we pay attention to what they have to say right now.

So political season in the in the United States and a very famous entertainer Taylor Swift has been highlighting people to go and vote and a number of places that reported unusual upticks since her announcement in voter registration voter participation so

that authority

It is very real and obviously companies have used this one for a really long time you guys like I’m not a doctor but I play one on TV Of course we pay attention to that and the third is liking and liking us where other influencers really do well which is

we buy from people we like we trust people we like and so if an influencer is likeable if an influencer focuses on that those the human aspects of course we’re going to buy for them. So

from that question

if an influencer is using any of these principles that that Cialdini outlines and his books of course, they

they still have that person that that element of, hey, you’re being paid to say this but it can be overwritten.

The other thing I think I add to this list which is sort of in here sort of not which is

is demonstrated expertise not necessarily authority but subject matter knowledge if an influencer

especially if it’s something you don’t necessarily know well but have been inflicted demonstrates credibility they demonstrate the ability to to know what they’re talking about

that can also help overcome that bias because yes

you know a real simple example is sponsored product placement if you go on to a site like all recipes and you pull up a recipe for something, and there are certain sponsored recipes, you know, sponsored by Campbell’s soup and this is this recipe that inevitably has a Campbell Soup product unit

you may or may not go out and buy Campbell Soup to make that recipe but at the very least you can you still trust that recipe because it makes sense like okay put a mushroom soup in your in your

string bean casserole and will taste better than just using regular milk and so there’s a level of expertise there that

I think adds to the credibility of an influencer especially around more complex subject matters, like b2b influence.

That said

the authority the liking and the social proof are incredibly powerful. When you look at

a really good example when when one of the Kardashians got in trouble, got a fellow fellow, the FTC for Hawking a nutraceutical product

Do you honestly believe that

someone like that has the deep subject matter expertise into the nutraceutical probably not not saying for sure because people can surprise you famous actor, Dolph Lundgren has a master’s degree in chemical engineering from MIT really smart guy

but

on the whole an influencer does not necessarily need something

matter expertise if they have that authority and that social proof working for them. Now, if you are

if you are an influencer, if you can get all six working for you, you’re gonna you’ll obviously be that much more influential. And so some of the other principles like reciprocity, consistency and scarcity May May equally be at work, especially with this something like a giveaway, hey, I’ve got 1000 of these things to give away is automatically scarcity. And there’s automatically reciprocity which is one of the reasons why influences do giveaways

and why people tend to fall in camps. So for example, I do a lot of work with IBM.

And so if if I’m talking to people who for whom IBM has already in the consideration set maybe they haven’t bought yet but but they are advocates of or believers in the way IBM does things,

then

that consistency principle will be applied.

One of the things we see right now in the very, very polarized political environment of the us is that consistency principle being taken to extreme

where just because you will you believe in the blue team or the red team

and you stick with that consistency that commitment to a perspective or a team color or whatever.

As the message drifts into more and more absurd extremes you still stick with that because of that consistency of that that commitment. So if an influencer is able to have a consistent message, or even go so far as to create their own tribe, Taylor Swift for example, you can extend your message to

you can extend your influence by by by working with companies and products that are consistent with your audience are consistent with your past behavior or consistent with what you and your tribe stand for, so

The payment thing

is impactful. I think if none of these factors of influence are in play once, one or more of these much stronger factors are in play, I think the payment thing kind of goes out the window,

or at least its impact is significantly diminished and the more boxes you tick off of shoddy nice list, the less than less the payment matters. So something to think about. And we’d love to hear your opinions because Tammy who’s commented on this post is actually a doctor of psychology is I’d like to hear from someone who actually is an authority figure

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November 2, 2018
You Ask, I Answer: B2B Influencer Marketing On The Rise
Tammy asks, “Are you seeing the use of #socialmedia influencers for B2B on the rise? I think most of us primarily think of it in terms of B2C.”

B2B #InfluencerMarketing is already huge, especially in tech #B2B. I work with IBM on this front as well as a few other companies. Many of our peers do as well.

The difference between B2B and B2C is real in #influencer #marketing compared to the rest of marketing. B2B requires, I’d argue, much more refined domain expertise and specific chops than B2C.

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In today’s episode, Tammy asks, Are you seeing the use of social media influencers for b2b on the rise, I think most of us primarily think of it in terms of b2c

as funny because, for me b2b influencer marketing is already huge, especially in technology and b2b technology, marketing technology, it a Service Cloud all that stuff there is a tremendous influencer marketing wave already in place. So I

work with IBM, for example, the lovely IBM certificate right here.

I work with IBM on cloud and on analytics and things like that and help promote things like IBM Watson studio, for example, FTC disclosure My company is an IBM Business Partner, if you buy anything from us for IBM, we get some compensation for it.

And there’s a trouble this amount of I would say smaller influencer activity

than b2c. When we think of b2c we have a tendency to think of like really big B to C influencers, like the Kardashians, right, and, and,

and major celebrities, but they’re also a ton of other

folks in b2c with smaller audiences. The same is true in b2b. There are a few, like really big b2b influencers, typically, they’re also speakers, for example, someone like a Malcolm Gladwell,

who is very popular in b2b circles, somewhere to Seth Godin, very popular in b2b circles, that wouldn’t necessarily popular in in the b2c circles. And then there is a, I think, a much larger tier of mid level influencers than and b2c and b2c, it’s kind of, you know, you have the major celebrities and you have everybody with 500 followers, Instagram, trying to be a food, influencer,

in b2b there is, I think, much more of that

granularity, which is you can have people hundreds of thousands of followers, thousands of followers, even hundreds of followers as far in terms of audience sizes,

and they do okay, because

the dynamics of b2b sales are that you don’t need a lot of people, you need the right people, whereas on b2c, you do need volume except for high value sales, like mortgages.

But on b2b, if the top 50 CMOS in the world all follow you guess what, you only need

50 people

to be interested, incredibly influential,

because most b2b sales are also complex sales. There’s also more nuance about where an influencer plays a role with b2c, particularly transactional, b2c, the purchase cycle is very short. So an influencer has to be able to get awareness, build consideration, get evaluation and, and purchase all within a very short period of time with b2b

you can be influential just in a very now a part of a very large sales cycle and still be able to deliver tremendous value to a company because the company selling for example, say firewalls, they may have no problem with awareness, but they may have a great deal of issues with credibility, like people may not understand that their their firewall is

slightly more secure than the competitors, but in a unique way. And so an influencer, who can

speak credibly about how modern threats are targeted to as a very specific little angle can be very influential in overcoming bias hesitation. Someone like a Brian Krebs, for example, or Bruce Schneier would be the type of people that say, okay, yep, that that person can help overcome our credibility issue. So there’s a difference there. b2b,

particularly complex b2b, I would argue is also requires a lot more very specific domain expertise than their counterparts and b2c, someone with

5000 followers and b2b who’s specify specific in, say, machine learning,

that’s someone

who’s going to need to be able to talk to their audience credibly

about the very detailed specifics

of machine learning. Like this person is an expert, maybe even in in just reinforcement learning.

Or maybe they’re just influential in ATL, whereas someone with 5000 followers and b2c, they still require expertise, they still need to know what they’re talking about,

but there may not be as much nuance to it. Someone if, for example, is who’s doing travel photography

and has 5000 followers, they’ve got to go to interesting places,

and they should have a unique point of view that is

different than everybody else who’s doing travel photography,

but they don’t know necessarily need to be exacting in their in their expertise in order to be to be credible, and in order to create influence to

to create awareness, consideration, evaluation and purchase.

So those are

there those are the differences I would say between two influencers. And one of the reasons why people don’t think of b2b influencers first, I think there’s tremendous potential for influencers in b2b. There’s also one other catch

b2c is very difficult to quantify, particularly when there’s so much other interference, big brand campaigns and stuff like that.

On the b2b side, b2b,

his tradition has been much better at analytics, tracking, and ROI marketing automation systems are typically tuned for b2b, which means that influences have to be able to prove their value much more rigidly than B to C, and B to C. And you can have some say, hey, the celebrity was at our car launch and got 100 million people to look at the car. And that’s a success in b2b. It’s like, hmm, so how many leads drive, right? How many? How many mq else showed up in in, in our marketing automation software? How many opportunities Did you bring in? How many deals Have you pushed forward,

because of the nature of b2b analytics, it can be a little more challenging

for influencers, to be able to really prove their value.

Not always, but companies in b2b do, take a much harder look at like,

what’s the ROI here than a b2c company that is willing to accept like, Hey, you just help build our brand, right? You just we don’t, we’re not even gonna attempt to quantify it. We just know that having your name attached to our thing is a good thing

I would definitely say for any company that is considering b2b influence look at your cost per acquisition for new audience in particular,

go and do your numbers like what does it cost you to get a lead What does it cost you to get a prospect What does it cost you to get an SQL or an SQL or whatever it is in your marketing automation system and then when you start looking at influencers say okay influencer in your experience you have you brought in 50 prospects if I if we pay for you to speak at this show,

will you what’s likely you’ll move had the KPI that that you care about most

you will find depending on the influencer, if it’s the

right influencers, just like a VC, if it’s the right influencers, they will move the needle for you on the right metrics that that move your business forward.

I know a campaign I did for IBM, one of the things that we were being

asked to do is drive traffic to a particular site. And, you know, we have we all have very good analytics and the show Yep, hey, look, this many more people walked in the door and signed up for free trials of the thing. And that’s how success was measured. And so there’s a lot of great ways to measure b2b influencers. There’s a lot of great b2b influencers out there. And it is absolutely something that b2b marketers should be considering, and evaluating and deciding, yep, I want to I want that person’s expertise to to be loaned to my brand and my products and services to drive my marketing numbers. So great question Tammy. As always, if you got questions, please leave them in the comments and subscribe to the YouTube channel newsletter. I’ll talk to you soon. Take

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November 1, 2018
You Ask, I Answer: How To Spot Fake Social Media Influencers
Amanda asks, “How can you spot a fake social media influencer from a real one?”

There are four metrics and one qualitative test that will help you identify low-quality influencers from high-quality influencers and spot fake influencers from a mile away. Watch this video to learn more.

The five tests:

– Are virtually all of their followers unrelated or poor quality?
– Look at audience growth numbers – they may be highly skewed
– Is their level of engagement poor or relatively meaningless?
– What’s their rate of engagement?
– How well do they adhere to FTC policies? Especially when not required

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In today’s episode, Amanda asks, How do you spot fake influencers on social media fake social media influences? Interesting question more calm than you think the question is, that is in terms of why it matters. Obviously, if your brand is going to spend a whole bunch of money, you want to make sure you’re going to get a decent result. But in addition, you do want to protect the brand

the

I don’t know that I would necessarily use the term fake influencers so much as low or high quality because

if someone’s got a million followers, by definition, they have some level of influence as long as those followers are real, even if they’re bought. If a certain percentage of them are human, you will still get some network effect out of it, but the cost may be disproportionate to the results you get. So let’s use the terms low and high.

Quality influencers as a way to help distinguish the two because even if someone’s got to legitimately great audience from a an organic perspective meaning they didn’t just buy a pre made bought power audience if if they are still low quality they’re still not gonna do anything for your brand so three sets of metrics one set of rules for identifying fake influencers are identifying low quality influencers number one is audience quality itself look at the audience look at the aspects of the audience like handle names profile photos and biographies bought farms and and and fake influencer farms you’ll notice obviously there’s going to be a ton of accounts that have terrible names like some random word names with a long string of numbers or other jibberish in the handle name the BIOS are all going to be substantially similar if not almost identical.

And the profile photos are either going to be scraped off of somebody else’s profile or just stock clip art

look at the quality of the posts that the audience

What’s out, they may be just sort of heartbeat posts like hey, you know, or it may just be completely automated with no original content. If you see an influencer, he’s got a ton of this garbage, the garbage followers, you know that they probably bought that audience and it may not even be human Amai to be entirely machine powered. So take a look at the audience.

It’s difficult to give you specific rules. But

spotting a fake audience is one of those things you know, when you see it, you look at it go something feels off here as opposed to looking at a reliance going up. Oh, those are all look like real people. There’s enough variation, but they look like they look real. It’s like the difference between you know, when you’re watching a movie where one of the human beings fully animate human beings. This is CGI, it’s not quite right. You don’t. You can’t put your finger on it. But you know something’s off there. So looking at the quality audience handles, photos, biographies, is it

They’re obvious bots in quantity. Everyone’s going to have a few bots following them. Because that’s the nature of social media at these bots. There’s for non reciprocal networks, meaning a network where someone can follow you, but you don’t have to follow them. You’re never inevitably going to get bots. So that’s number one. Audience quality. Second is audience growth metrics. Take a look at the growth metrics. If you see someone who has

they have a followers and the follower growth rate looks like this right now. pretty steady, then, you know, okay, it’s probably

an ordinary person or an ordinary influence. If you see this,

right, that amount of growth where there’s obviously a really big spike,

you can be pretty certain like yeah, they’re probably that was probably a an audience purchase. So being able to look at those those growth metrics

because

people just do that they just go out and buy an audience and one person went out and bought 20,000 followers on Instagram.

You can you can go buy them but that number looks really artificial so that’s number two number three is engagement so you want to look at it two different types of engagement metrics number one is the rate take your take a potential influencers stats pull it out of your social media monitoring tool and put in one column number of engagements for each post and number two size of posting

if you’ve got someone who’s got 50,000 or 100,000

followers and their posts get like zero engagements their audience may not be be great even if again this is where we go back to that low versus high quality even if they are all authentic

it’s still a low quality audience because the audience isn’t engaging with the influencer and that’s when the influencer posts your brand stuff.

They’re not going to get any love for it. There’s going to be no action on it. And so it’s not going to help you achieve your goals. So look at the engagement number of things.

Rate what is the rate of engagement and then especially on networks like Instagram look at the quality of engagement so is it just a bunch of likes because again you can automate that

or their comments and the comments real are they they’re like oh this is a great picture of you know and and you know some people are referencing

making contextually relevant comments on things as opposed to great photo which again if you’ve seen I’ve seen some social influencers using bots and they’ll go and tag they’ll do crazy stuff like you know great photo would love if you follow me

right

and they’ve tagged something like someone’s funeral

I have to do that because the bond of course running behind the scenes so that’s an easy way to spot a low quality influences if there’s a lot of the if they making a lot of engagements that make no sense or their audiences making a bunch of engagement comments that make absolutely no sense. So we have audience quality audience

Growth engagement quality engagement quantity of those metrics The last thing to look at is adherence so here in some compliance one of the things that you don’t want to get in trouble for as a brand is

failure you know failed to disclose and and and failure to adhere to regulations and the United States the Federal Trade Commission the FTC monitors and regulates things like social media influencers they they I think they published their first guidelines way back in 2010

but influencers are always supposed to be using appropriate disclosures and tags for for the stuff that they published so for example

I did a review recently for campaigns snag it snag it they they gave me a free copy I have to disclose that that’s a form of compensation. It may not be monetary, but I have to according to the regulations disclose that so if you see info and influence who’s sharing a whole bunch of stuff and it’s it’s obviously pitched as the

Like you know, this is a review of this product and such. Look for disclosures. Look for how well they disclose

whether something has sponsored or not. Here’s a neat little trick. I call this one of those, the sushi hacks.

Look for people who disclose when there isn’t a sponsored relationship so some of those review and say disclosure you know, I was not provided any product I received no compensation I just did this because I wanted to write that is someone who is adhering and complying to regulation even when they don’t have to and that’s a sign of a high quality influencer that’s somebody who’s like Yep, this person is going to play by the rules not get our brand in trouble and and do the right thing. So look for that as well as well as a an easy test to see whether or not an influencer works is going to work within regulations and frameworks and things.

So that’s those are like five easy tests to apply to an influencer determine Yes, this person is the real deal they’re high quality or

out there, they’re lower quality and and they may not deliver the results that we’re looking for as a brand.

You’re going to need good social media monitoring software to do this, particularly software that can mind BIOS and stuff. So take a look around the market space

and and see what’s available. And there’s also going to be a fair amount of googling. Like there is no substitute for that there will be a fair amount of googling to do some background investigation. So just know that in advance. As always, if you have questions, please leave them in the comments and subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter will talk to you soon. Take care what help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. This is trust insights that AI today and let us know how we can help you

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October 31, 2018
You Ask, I Answer: How To Become an Instagram Food Influencer
Stacy asks, “How do I become a more influential personality on Instagram? I don’t want to go the automated route, but I don’t have much of an audience. My goal is to be a food influencer.”

As with all things, we tackle – in order – strategy, tactics, execution, and measurement. First, strategy. Does the world value what you’re good at? And are you really good at something? You need a concise way to explain your value in two sentences that’s unique and obviously valuable to your audience. Don’t worry about the sponsor side – a large, highly engaged audience is the value to them.

In terms of content, follow YouTube’s hero / hub / help model. Focus on the why, what, and how – and then laser in on one of the three. A key question is – is Instagram the right network for you?

Finally, for execution, you’ll need to invest in some monitoring software for both your brand and Instagram overall. For a small business application like this, I recommend you check out Brand24 for broad monitoring. At your current scale, the native Instagram app is good enough. Monitor food hashtags and do some data analysis to find the intersection between what you’re good at and what the world values.

Watch the video for the full details of the suggestions including tactics and software.

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In today’s episode Stacey asks How do I become more influential personality on Instagram I don’t want to go the automated route but I don’t have much of an audience My goal is to be a food influencer alright

as with all things

will follow simple strategy model here strategy tactics execution first let’s talk about your strategy your overall Instagram strategy or social media strategy which is

are you good at something so if you want to be a food influencer or you’re really good at something within food like baking or Friday or

Japanese cuisine or low calorie or paleo or what have you get the idea I really good at something and second does the world value what you’re really good at and that’s the hard part the intersection between to what the

World values what you’re good at what how much overlap is there if you’re really good at making, for example,

really expensive

Russian caviar dishes,

there’s some value to that the world is very small part of the world does value that very highly but for the most part for building an audience, it’s not the best segment to go after. On the other hand,

you know, being a fast food connoisseur as well doesn’t really value that even if you’re really good at it. So

So those two questions are really important. Does the world value what you’re good at and are you really good at something you need to be able to explain that concisely in two sentences just two sentences what you’re good at and what is valuable to the to your audience Don’t worry about it on the sponsor side on you’re looking for sponsors and stuff like that that’s going to take care of itself because all

media company

Want right now is basically a large highly engaged audience

at their analytics are so far behind that that things like you know a million Instagram followers still do matter and to be perfectly frank a million followers of anything is by definition somewhat influential but in the media world for influence purposes a lot of people are buying audience just like any other advertising platform so your value in two sentences for example

my company trust insights we are a data science consulting firm for marketers we help marketers make more money with their data two sentences

pretty obvious what we do

you need to do the same with whatever it is that you do with food and influence now going from strategy to tactics first question is Instagram the right platform for you it probably is because it’s a very consumer angle and influencer Instagram is very much the

the pulse of the consumer these days.

But it may not be the only platform, YouTube, for example, maybe a great platform for you. Pinterest may be a great platform for you. So do some research. Make sure that Instagram is the right platform choice. The second thing you want to do is look at a content production model. And that model is the one I think makes the most sense here is YouTube’s model, which is hero hub help, which is infrequent, big ideas, the hero ideas, once a quarter have ideas, which are more campaign level ideas, their hub, you know, and once a month or so, and then help lots and lots of help content. How do you do this thing? How do you make this thing how’s this, what kind of ingredients to look for? What’s the best dish for this and so on and so forth.

Focus on one of those segments. Generally speaking, when it comes to appealing to a broad market. The Help segment is the lowest cost of producing also generally the easiest one to attract people because by putting out helpful information

Automatically proving your expertise so there is that aspect hero Help. Help also breaks down into why what, how, why is something important? What is the thing? How does the thing work? And if you’re talking about, again, something very specific, like

low budget paleo would be an example of something that paleo something very people are very interested in. Can you do it on a very small budget than all the how content is like how do you find this how do you find this kind of produce How do you find this kind of protein etc. affordably,

finally,

is the execution phases and this is where everybody falls down.

You’re going to need two things. Three things. Number one, you don’t need a heck of a lot of time to do this. Probably if you’re doing this as your side hustle.

expect to spend between the time after dinner and the time when you go to bed to be doing nothing but this so three, four hours a day for example, I have I usually stop working at the end of

The day around for 4:30pm, make dinner, have dinner with my family.

Get everyone settled in for the evening, around seven o’clock, from seven to 10 is when I work on what used to be my side hustle now is my main business.

And so you’re gonna need to invest that time you’re going to need to invest in some monitoring software, you’re going to need software for Instagram overall, because Instagrams built in analytics are terrible for this application for where you are, I would suggest looking at to like brand 24 because it is affordable. And it allows you to monitor Instagram for very specific hashtags.

And you also want to want to spend a lot of time on Instagram at your current scale. The native Instagram app is good enough right later on you may want to look at something like a tool like agro pulse for example, but for now where you are is fine.

You’ll want to be monitoring Instagram food hashtags as many as you can conceivably, you’ll get your phones or start typing in, you know, food, food porn. All these different hashtags, any specific food ingredients or diets, Caddo, paleo etc

and what you need to do is use that data of what people are right are posting on the app and the intersection between that data and what you’re good at to find new angles and be creating content A lot of it

easily you know 10 1520 posts a day if if you can manage that frequency and then interacting and engaging with as many other people that are using that hashtag on a on a daily basis so following people like crazy no out no automation on that because their algorithms gotten a real good about the direction the bots so literally just have the native app in your hand and just you know, start following people one by one do 25 a day

Think about when it comes to building your audience don’t go after the big dogs because it’s unlikely that you’re going to get much engagement with people with a million followers do the red paperclip route, which is if you have 100 followers start engaging with people who have 101 followers start following people have 101 followers. Then we have 101 file. Start with people who have 102

so that you are building a cohort of peers rather than trying to reach up to people who frankly are out of reach.

You got 1000 followers, great. Go to someone who has 1001 followers and look for different ways to do collaborations, do combination things. Experiment with different formats I ggV experiment with see if it works for you stories. You’re going to spend a lot of time on stories you may want to look at some story creation software, at the very least.

Have a good photo editor I use camera plus version two on my iPhone for that and that should disclose I am not an Instagram influencer. I’ve only got 2000 followers. And it’s not my platform focus. I focus on Twitter and LinkedIn, because that’s where my audience is

your audience. Being a food audience is going to be in different places. And I instinctively believe don’t have the data audit, but instinctively believe the Instagram is the right choice. So but it’s going to be all about monitoring, engagement, creation,

monitor things that are popular, engage with those things, create your own stuff to go along with those things and expect to spend three hours a day doing this for a couple of years, a couple of years. So no easy answers, but having a framework and having processes and a and a repeatable method will eventually get you to that point we can get to, you know, 10,000 followers. So, especially if you’re doing something really valuable and hot so give that a try, Stacey, as long as you have questions.

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October 29, 2018
You Ask, I Answer: Growth Tips for Stealth Startups
Peter asks, “Do you know any good case studies, examples how to promote a company when it’s still in a stealth mode and is preparing to launch (for promoting it as soon as it’s out of the stealth mode)?”

The key to a successful launch is all about audience. Learn what I did to help launch Trust Insights out of stealth mode and what’s changed since GDPR became enforceable.

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In today’s episode, Peter asks,

Do you know any good case studies or examples how to promote a company when it’s still in a stealth mode as preparing to launch for promoting it as soon as it’s out of the stealth mode?

So there are this is an interesting question because the what’s a lot has changed. In the old days, it was really easy, you would go in and get some funding and then buy a list. And then as soon as you were ready to go, you hit the list and and off you go

with

launch of GDPR earlier in,

that’s no longer viable strategy. Because that’s a violation of GDPR, one of the things that GDPR says is you may not use a customer data in a way that the customer is not explicitly allowed you do so and so buying list no good in general, you can’t buy list anymore. It’s it is a prohibited practice. And now with some of the new privacy laws coming around to the United States, that will be the case even for companies that are solely within the United States. So what do you do

the answer today needs to be you need to bring in other first party audiences and that comes from influencers

you would need to work with an influencer to

that is topically appropriate and say to them, Hey, I’m getting ready to launch a startup where it’s still in stealth mode. There’s nothing to promote, can I first

publishing, disclose, I’ve got a stealth mode startup, if you’re interested in hearing about it,

can I post a blog, run a YouTube video or whatever the case may be, and then also

get the influencer to

work with you to promote tracking on their digital properties for your startup. And it would say something along lines, you know, when all these sites now how these little

pop up and say, you know, here’s how we use cookies,

it would go into the privacy policy, it would go into the cookie policy would say, one of the provisions is by allowing cookies, you are also opting into select retargeting offers, and that’s and, and for those consumers, and who give

their permission to

have their information, have their profiles be tracked. That’s then how you would start to build up that audience. Because you would get all these influencers, who giving permission to you to

track their

audiences. And then when it comes time you launch with that audience,

it really, really helps as a startup if one of your influencers happens to also be one of the people who work at the company, because then it reduces is that friction substantially. When we launched trust insights earlier this year, one of the core platforms that we use to launch the company was my mailing list, my YouTube channel, my Twitter channel, and so on, and so forth. Personally, I’ve been building these channels for 15 years.

And as a result, when we were able to launch when we came out of stealth mode, there was a ready made audience of 25, 200,000

people, depending on which platform you look at, to immediately appeal to which substantially reduced the amount of time it took to get up and running.

If you don’t have access to influencers, then you have to go with advertising. And you have to go with high spend high frequency

targeted still,

but on the day of launch and hope that your advertising is compelling.

And you’re going to follow that Bob stones, direct marketing rules, right? list offer creative Do you have the right audience, which is the list Do you have right audience that you’re advertising to. So you might be using Facebook or LinkedIn or whatever the cases do, you have the right offer for that audience saying, This is what we want to promote that would be of interest to the audience. And this is really important, because those two things the list and the offer our have to be in sync,

if you’re

a startup that’s offering frying pans, and but your list of people who hate cooking, it’s gonna be a bad time, right. So those two have to be in sync. And then the creative has to be something appealing, that will get through to, to what people want to see and hear.

So it may not be AdWords, for example, it may not be Facebook ads, it could very well be demos on YouTube.

The catch if you don’t have that advanced audience list setup is that you have to accelerate your spend and really in the first week after launch, you have to hit every possible channel as hard as possible and spend a lot of budget an easy way to think about this is if you have a launch month think about launching the last week of the month but having that entire month’s worth of ad budget you’ve allocated spend be spendable in that last week and then you ramp down in the following week when the new month to what your your average monthly spend would be across the month

in order to try and capture as much attention as possible because for that first period of launch in order to be seen over other advertisers you have to outbid them so depending on how competitive your sector is you may have to outbid them substantially so

that’s the the general process and the

third thing that

is possible

is that you can work with media relations and public relations firm to do

to obtain press coverage under embargo for your company here’s the catch

most journalists are not interested in writing about stealth mode companies even at launch because there’s a good Jillian and a half of these most of them don’t survive and if you if they can’t get the details about why the company is compelling it’s gonna be very difficult to write a story that’s available on time and to

unless you or company and your product and service is really really noteworthy like Tesla noteworthy or Apple noteworthy,

no one’s going to care right yet another startup launches with yet another thing event. And,

you know, it’s founders by us, you may think it’s revolutionary, realises like y’all I’m seeing that before,

or they may not even understand what

it is you offer. And so obtaining coverage for your startup is is very difficult whatever you do don’t waste money on a press release. It’s a horrible idea. They’re expensive and they do almost nothing so influencers upfront before launch and then advertising pedal to the metal that first week spend that month budget you know in the end that first week to get to cut through the noise. Those are the two best ways to get going

you’re not going to be able to rely on things like SEO because if you’re in stealth mode by default if you’re in stealth mode you don’t have any content available right so

you will want to publish all your content the day you can go public

and make sure you do all the technical SEO things that get you ready for launch and get your site indexed sooner rather than later because Google’s algorithm now no longer has like 90 day waiting periods for things it is within the day but that’s not a challenge going to help you right away it really is gonna come out to influencers advertising and then maybe some some media relations but focus on that influencer side if you can get those influencers on board you’ll do okay. As always, if you have questions, please leave them in the comments and please subscribe to the YouTube channel in the newsletter Talk to you soon. What help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems.

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October 1, 2018

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