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You Ask, I Answer: How to Identify Fake Influencers
Grace asks, “There’s been a lot of news about people who fake being an influencer by buying followers and colluding with groups of influencers. How do you identify fake influencers?”

Great question. Let’s first discuss what brands actually want, even if they can’t measure it effectively.
- Awareness
- Engagement
- Action
Second, let’s identify the ways someone can fake influence.
- Share bots
- Paid followings
- Pods are a gray area
Which fake tactics are the worst? Paid followings – because they’re generally bots, and bot followers won’t do anything to increase actual awareness. Share bots aren’t as terrible, because there’s a non-zero chance they share a piece of content with actual humans. We’ve all read how effective bots were in influencing politics. They couldn’t have done that if they were sharing only to other bots. Pods – even though pods are considered a black hat tactic in influencer marketing, the reality is that they work and they don’t damage a brand’s goals.

Given the above, how do we identify bad actors? Combining a few metrics helps us identify warning flags to examine likely problems.
- Groups that self-reinforce in a network graph
- Entities that broadcast but never have anyone talking about them
- Entities that have distorted metrics (thousands of likes, not a single comment, etc.)
Watch the video for full details and an example in fashion influencers.

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In today’s episode, Grace asks, there’s been a lot of news about people who fake being an influencer by buying followers and colluding with groups of influencers. How do you identify fake influencers? Great question. Generally speaking, people behave in certain ways. And when you see accounts that have data that skews pretty far from that, that’s a way to identify likely problems. So let’s first discuss what brands actually want in social media, when they’re working with influencers, even if they’re not particularly good at measuring it, there’s three general pockets, right. So a brand will want awareness and alternatively, or in addition to awareness or affinity to consumers like that brand. They want engagement people talking to the brand liking, commenting on stuff like that sharing and then want action they want stuff that leads to business results can be website traffic, it could be purchase right on the social network. But you know, Instagram offers shopping right on board, it could be

filling out a lead form, it could be showing up at a retail store, it could be promoting being an evangelist for that ran into and and wearing their logo and stuff on on your apparel. And so those are some of the ways that that’s something that brands are looking for. So

with that, what are the ways that you can fake influence? Well, there’s there’s three or four different ways with bots fake accounts, robotic accounts, there are there are share bots which will automatically share anything that you know, they pick up content and reshare it over and over again, there are paid followings. We can buy followers. And there are these things called pods, which are kind of a gray area pods are private groups of people who collude behind the scenes to promote something in a Facebook group in Slack channel, whatever, you just see the effects of it, but you don’t necessarily see the conversations and agreeing Hey, we’re gonna prove it promotes Susan stuff this week. So Susan is going to be the rock star that you can next week, George is your turn. Now, which of these tactics are the worst? From a brand perspective, generally speaking, paid followings are the worst because their butts and bought followers don’t do anything to increase actual awareness or actual trust or affinity and a brand.

If someone buys 30,000 followers, they had 1000 the start with Yes, they may be seeing, oh, you know, you may be sharing to an audience of 30,000 on paper, but you really like sharing to an audience 1000 people share bots aren’t as bad because there’s a nonzero chance that they share a piece of content with actual human

we saw this we read about it’s been in the news about how effective

bots were in influencing politics and influencing elections. I know they could not have done that, that if they were sharing only two other bots, they were able to engage with actual people promote a message those people want to promote and

get a good result.

And then on the third one is pods. Even though pods are considered a black hat tactic by a lot of folks in social media, the reality is they work and they don’t damage of brands goals. Right. If a brand’s goals are awareness, engagement and action, get 500 parents sharing a link.

That’s not a bad thing. That is

the belief that pods are bad assumes that you only care about individual influencers, if you can get an entire group of moderately influential people to do something Mission accomplished. So

given all that above, how do you identify bad actors? The answer, unsurprisingly, is analytics. What we’re looking for in our data are anomalies, right. So we want to identify groups that self reinforce entities that bro broadcast a lot, but never had anyone talking about them. And entities that have distorted metrics, where there’s like, you know, millions of one metric and zero of something else. So what we’ve got on screen here, this is from a piece of software called, and it requires social media monitoring data. So I have separate software that pulls in the data cleans, it prepares it to be useful in network graphics software. But let’s take a look at some of the metrics in here as a way to identify in fake influences. If we look at 25,000 conversations or so about fashion, you can see there’s really no no easy way to understand what you’re looking at. But what we’re looking for is this measure here, this, this, it’s called eigenvector sensuality. And what it is, is a measure of how many people talk about you versus how many people you talk about, a lot of these networks do a lot of broadcasting, but not a lot of receiving because they have no influence. They particularly on fake follower funds. So anything that has just no connections on that graph at all. And none of this, the sensuality measure is clearly not something that’s going to be influential. And as we as we go down the list here, you can see the influence of still zero, even though there are some accounts to have in this case, like, yeah, this one’s got broadcasting 49 different conversations. But no, but he’s talking about in the the influence measure, still zero. So all that was going to get rid of all those people in the network graph. And then there’s some accounts get post and re grant and stuff that clearly also don’t add anything to the conversation. So we’ll go ahead and get rid of that. And now we rerun this. And this is a process you do a few times to clean and refine the network graph until you have something that is usable, going through

this process.

Going through Now, a few iterations, we’ve gotten rid of everything that is not influential in the sense of contributing to the graph and look how much neater and clean to this graph is. Now let’s go ahead and actually put some names and clustering on this. And if we look carefully, now, we see this is super tight, evenly sized clusters, those are pods now, whether they are pods that are human or bought doesn’t matter that we know we can identify through the fact that they have these self referential loops within each other, that they are almost certainly automated compound that with the fact that these are probably not necessarily folks that you have heard of, and that they share all share similar names. And we’ve successfully identified that these are clusters that we will probably want to discount or filter out in our monitoring software. So that’s what one of the things that comes next is in the process. Once you identify the bad actors, you don’t just delete them and and go at the rescue, then feed that back into your social media monitoring system train and teach it like these accounts to not pay attention to and over time what will happen is you’ll get a much cleaner view of the landscape because you’ll be able to remove that stuff from your all your monitoring, once you’ve done a few passes of that you then start to see more natural networks of things that appear actually like networks rather than just a couple of big self referential clusters. And that’s when you know you’ve arrived at an influencer list that is meaningful that is going to get you reach into a community which is the whole point to get that awareness to get that engagement and to get that action so that we would be able to say like this this person here who is highly interactive within this particular Instagram community is the influencer so if this is a group that we care about, then that’s going to get us the the juice that we were looking for. This is not easy stuff this is all machine learning and network graphing and statistics and stuff so and and to do it for a really large space would require some decently heavy compute time so that’s one of the reasons why you don’t see more of this in the influencer marketing space and why companies even companies that are reputable otherwise it’s social media monitoring why they’re in influencer identification algorithm. So so bad because this stuff requires really heavy iron in order to to get you the answers that you want about who’s actually influential. So your best bet as a if you’re running influencer, identification for a brand for client is to have a narrower context and dig into that very specific context. Rather than trying to go after a huge topic. Like all fashion, you’re going to need super computer power to tackle all fashion or all food. If there’s a specific thing like I want the top influencer about Gouda cheese, you’re probably going to do a little bit better. So great question. Grace of a complicated question. And as you can see, require some heavy lifting in order to be able to identify things in the data and, and clean your data properly to get to the insights you’re looking for.

But this is how you do it. And it’s now up to vendors and and providers and stuff to be able to refine that and turn that into a product that doesn’t require a data scientist to do gap. And of course, if if there’s something you need to have done, get a data scientist to do it for you.

Because again, a lot of what’s on the market right now the software isn’t up to doing this sort of heavy back end research. So as always, please subscribe to the YouTube channel and to the newsletter and I’ll talk to you soon.

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June 28, 2018
You Ask, I Answer: The Fourth Influencer Archetype
Mark Schaefer commented on my recent episode about influencers:

“You are rolling old tapes here Chris. You’re viewing the world from a very narrow (B2B tech) perspective. Here’s the fact, influencers sell stuff. A lot of stuff. For many companies this is the most cost-effective sales and marketing efforts they have ever seen. The case studies are powerful and compelling. The techniques are becoming increasingly sophisticated, as is measurement. Influencers can move markets. Are you accurately seeing what is happening out there?”

You Ask, I Answer: The Fourth Influencer Archetype
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Some of the influencers who sell stuff – and a lot of it – are folks like Gary Vaynerchuk. He’s got his own successful sneaker line, as an example. Gary’s a great example of the sophistication Mark mentions, creating content on literally every channel possible by syndicating content across channels and branching out with new programs all the time. For that top tier method of content, Gary currently spends around $10,000 per day on advertising and his content team is 17 people.

I’d disagree that measurement – at least on the brand side – is improving. As recently as two months ago when I was working at an agency, measurement of influencers was still disconnected from business results. Even in some of the influencer programs I’m part of now, measurement is neither standardized nor connected to business results, though there are some glimmers of hope. One company recently asked for access to my Facebook Pixel and for a collaborative tagging effort with Google Tag Manager, which was incredibly smart. That’s definitely the right way to go.

Mark’s comments got me thinking about the fourth influencer archetype. When we examine the ways to measure influencers, our three archetypes – lots of connections coming in as the expert, bilateral connections as the connector, and lots of connections going out as the broadcaster – these focus on the network as a whole. For brands seeking to identify influencers, using these measures of centrality makes a lot of sense, because the brand’s goals are reach, engagement, and meaningful action. To Mark’s point, sell stuff.
- We understand authority using Eigenvector Centrality, the importance of an individual influencer based on who talks about them.
- We understand connectivity with Betweenness Centrality, how many times an influencer bridges connections to others in a network.
- We understand broadcast capability with Closeness Centrality, how few degrees separate an influencer from their audience.
Mark’s question – do these algorithms accurately see what’s happening (and by extension, people like me who use them) – is important. The blind spot in all these network algorithms that we cannot currently solve – but that our companies desperately want us all to solve – is which influencers create meaningful impact.

We can’t solve for that right now because we have no access – from the outside – as to who’s driving results. We could, as mentioned earlier, tackle this with tag management and analytics on an individual company basis. From the outside, though, before we sign a deal with an influencer, we want some way of inferring their ability to generate results.

Perhaps the answer lies in a combination of the different centrality algorithms. Each one judges influencer in a different way, but what would an influencer be capable of if they did all three? What if they were the respected leader of their tribe, that everyone talked about, but also the bridge to connect tribe members, and also so responsive that they were incredibly close to a large part of their network? That fourth influencer archetype, the true super-influencer, would logically be able to compel business results as well, perhaps better than influencers who only ranked well in one algorithm or another.

That’s worth experimenting with. I know I’ll be working on it, to determine a scalable way to compute that. Thanks, Mark!

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May 3, 2018
#FridayFeeling: Why Influencer Marketing Fails, According to Aristotle
Over the past week, I’ve been doing a ton of market research for a client around social media marketing, and THE topic du jour is influencer marketing. One of the most critical flaws I’ve seen in influencer marketing programs, including some I participate in, is a failure to capture the four main dimensions of influence.

This isn’t new stuff – Aristotle coined this in 322 BCE. The four aspects are ethos (authority/credibility), pathos (appeal to emotion), logos (appeal to logic/rational), and kairos (time and place, context).
- Brands go wrong with influencers by over-focusing on ethos and pathos – how popular or engaging an influencer is, while neglecting logos and kairos.
- Influencers fail brands in the same way, just on the other side of the coin, by developing no logos – expertise – and equally by over-focusing on the brand, ignoring or not having any knowledge of kairos.
Watch the video for the full explanation, including how both brands and influencers can use Aristotle’s framework for more impactful influence and better program results.

#FridayFeeling: Why Influencer Marketing Fails According to Aristotle
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In today’s Friday feeling I’ve been doing a ton of market research for a client around social media marketing and the topic of the day of the period is influencer marketing.

Everyone was asking questions about how do I measure influencers, how do I find influencers, what are the best tools were the best people, etc. etc. And

there’s a lot of flaws in what’s happening and influencer marketing but the core

is a fundamental misunderstanding of what influence is

and how to achieve it. So

influence is not new influence or persuasion or the ability to get people to do what you want them to do has been around for millennia. One of the classical definitions of influence. One of the ones that has stood the test of time is Aristotle’s which he coined in 322 BCE. So we’re talking literally almost 2500 years ago

and Aristotle’s definition of of

not influence because he didn’t use that word he used persuasion had four dimensions ethos,

pathos logos and Cairo’s

ethos is authority or credibility how credible is speaker or in the eyes of the audience what kind of authority, do they have to be speaking on the topic pathos is an appeal to emotion how emotionally engaging as a speaker. How well can they incite emotion from the crowd logos is the appeal to the rational to the logical to the The fact of the matter

and Cairo’s is time and place, Greeks have ancient Greek language had two words for time Kronos which is time itself and Cairo’s which is more time and place, sort of context when

when a speaker speaking, are they speaking when the audience is receptive to their message

now where influencer marketing is going wrong is neglecting half of influence brands have gone overboard on Athos and pathos Athos the authority of the speaker in influencer marketing. This is turned into who’s got the loudest mouth or who has the biggest following and while there is validity to do that in terms of Athos you

by definition, if a million real people are following you.

You have influence my friend Tom Webster says that, but

is it the right audience and

the other aspect where brands over focus is pathos is how emotionally engaging is that influx of how popular are they how how excited they get the audience and and you see in some cases people hiring influencers who they have that emotional appeal, but their complete mismatch with the brand where brands just drop the ball is on logos and Cairo’s logos is is the appeal to the rational

and a ton of influencers

don’t really know what their marketing. They’re just talking about the thing and it shows when you ask any questions in depth

and and brands also neglect that aspect of Cairo’s The context

is an influencer a good fit for the brand is an influencer in the right time and place for them to be impactful for the brand or they just kind of doing their own thing.

One of the criticisms of one of the programs. I’m in

b2b tech program is that

the influencers, the social

influencers that participate don’t know the product and can’t advocate for it effectively and the perception among

the

brands loyalists or that the influencers are really more

promoting themselves and and taking money from the brand to use the brand’s reputation to promote themselves which can be a valid criticism. So ethos and pathos

go overboard logos and Cairo’s good don’t get invested enough and that’s where influences also dropped the ball to influencers focus on those things because what the brands were paying them paying the bills focus on

but by if an influencer is not developing that logos that expertise that ability to appeal to the rational hey this pack of gum uses no genetically modified chemicals this server stores all of its data in particular type of encryption if if an influencer does not have or does not develop that expertise, then they are presenting an incomplete picture to their audience and in some ways dampening the credibility of their credibility with their audience. And if you don’t have logos eventually it

ends up just corrupting your ethos and then Cairo says the other aspect that influencers don’t

either know about or willfully ignore. And that is the context in which the way the audiences

different influencers will impact different parts of the customer journey you think about the customer journey awareness consideration evaluation purchase

that’s the path to purchase. If an influencer is all about reach, they would have an impact on that awareness. If it influences his focus more on authority or connection authority would be sort of that middle that consideration phase. Hey, is this product or service or company with something I want to do business with. I’m going to go ask an authority that influence needs to pay attention to to that part of the customer journey on behalf of the brand

and then that connector someone who can make those connections there more towards the end, the buyers journey in some ways because

you know when people say, Hey, who do I know that’s a good one resource for analytics. Oh, you should talk to Hillary Mason, you know that person that that connector helps bridge that gap to create that last jump into purchase. So depending on the kind of influencer you are

if you don’t know where you fit into your your your the corporate brand journey customer journey, you don’t have Cairo on your side and influencer who does all for well who has authority who has emotional appeal, who has is backed up by data and facts and understands where they fit into the grand scheme of things is going to be a very successful influencer on behalf

of the brand and then of course the influence themselves can increase the amount of money they charge or the types of work and projects, they’ll take on. So

my feeling is that influencers don’t have that knowledge and brands who don’t have that knowledge of this classical definition of persuasion and using all four pieces are not going to get the results that they want.

They may get some results, but they may not get a maximum

results that they could be getting if they used ethos, pathos logos and Cairo’s appropriately to find influencers to set strategy around influencers and then to measure influencers, both in evaluating them up front and on the flip side at

measuring the performance of a program.

Go and read ourselves rhetoric, it’s out of copyright obviously never had one to begin with.

It’s available for free on sites like Project Gutenberg you can just get it completely, totally for free read through it

and give some thought to the this definition of influence because it will help

enhance your own influence or marketing program. Whether you are a brand or whether you are an influencer if you develop all of these areas. You’ll be much, much more successful. So that’s today’s Friday for feeling as always please subscribe to the newsletter and the YouTube channel and look forward to hearing any comments you have about your experience with influencers,

whether they they were able to do the thing and all four areas or whether you chose them or you are one and you focus just on one of these four aspects of influence and would like to increase the the amount of persuasion, you can do. Thanks for watching. I’ll talk to you soon.

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April 27, 2018
You Ask, I Answer: Influencer Marketing Tips for Companies
Genevieve asks,

“What are some of your best influencer marketing tips?”

What a great, complex question. Influencer marketing is done so poorly today. Generally speaking, we want three different outcomes:
- Improved reach
- Improved connection to decision-makers
- Improved reputation
These outcomes require three different kinds of influencers. Learn who each kind is, how to identify them, and how to measure our influencer marketing in this video.

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In today’s you ask I answer john via asks, what are some of your best Influencer Marketing Tips

companies do influencer marketing generally incorrectly. And the reason for that is they don’t have clear goals they don’t have a system for getting to those goals and they don’t have a way to measure them that’s intelligent, a lot of influencer marketing has devolved into who’s got the biggest mouth

or who has the most followers, maybe a little who’s got the most engagement. These days, but even that’s kind of a not a great metric because it’s too general to to non specific

so let’s talk about

how to do influencer marketing in a more thoughtful way first. What are your business goals

all influences are not the same. There’s three.

broad categories of influencers, they are influencers who are loud and that’s okay. If you need reach if you just need market awareness. If you just need always

allowed influencer with them. million followers is going to do the job for you right if you hire a Kardashian, you’re gonna get a good chunk of the Kardashians audience to briefly, pay attention to you pay, pay for that over and over again and it’s just like any other form of advertising and that’s okay. That’s why we do advertising.

The second type of influence you might want the second type of outcome might want our connections to the right people. This is especially important if your business relies on a complex sale sale, which requires a connection a warm handoff and an ushering in an ambassador in into a tight knit community or to a close community where simply we don’t have access

and the third outcome we might want from an influencer is reputational improvement being a.

associated with this influencer being endorsed by that influencer would be something that would be beneficial because people would see us as more credible. So you have credibility connection and noise reach broadcast. Those are the three general outcomes that you could get from influencers.

What does your company need

if you buy the wrong kind of influence, you’ll get an outcome that doesn’t match what your company needs. That’s part number one part two

is

based on knowing the outcome you want what kind of influence or do you need again for the broadcast. You need someone loud a Kardashian will do if you just need a lot of loud noise and even in smaller niche communities. If you’re going to say a trade show like RSA conference hymns dream for CES

having somebody who is loud who can help you be louder than the crowd is it.

Good thing. So that’s a really good example of what when you’d want a loud influencer when you need to be able to shout above the rest of the noise,

the connection influencer is somebody who is going to do that introduction that that warm referral that that that reaching into a community that you don’t have access to.

They are going to be very different. They will not necessarily have a lot to say they will not be super present online in massive ways right there are probably gonna be a little bit quieter.

But when you look at

their network if you visualize the network you would see that they are the hub right they are they are the core of their network and everybody is connected to them and they’re connected to everybody.

And then the third kind of influencer really is that authority somebody who has their own strong reputation everyone talks about them. They may not.

Say, very much, but everybody talks about them. Professor Stephen Hawking didn’t endorse for, say, a whole lot about other companies, but everybody talked about Professor Stephen Hawking that late Professor

that’s that third kind of influencer for those who with a little more gray in your hair. You may remember a commercial from the 70s or 80s. If you’re a little younger you can see these on YouTube, but they used to be a commercial for an investment firm called EF Hutton and headed by a person named EF Hutton and the tagline of their commercials was when EF Hutton speaks everybody listens and that’s that third kind of influencer when that person does speak everyone stops pays attention. What’s he gonna say What’s she gonna say they’re going to endorse somebody like

when that person speaks about

marketing or the best tool or the best fun to buy or the the best airline travel everyone goes all right all if it’s good enough for them it’s good enough for me.

So that’s part two is knowing who the person is that matches the outcome that you want

and you’ll use different analytics tools different influencer measurement tools for that the broadcast persons really easy to measure right loudness the connection persons difficult to measure you need visualization software that can do network graphs to understand how well connected somebody isn’t you want the person who is the center of their network. This type of algorithm called sensuality, you’d use that and then the authority is a different type of network graph where you’re going to measure who talks about so the number of degrees of connection inwards to a person.

The third part is the measurement of influencer marketing and this is where again companies really fall down.

They just assume loudness is what you want. Now if you’re buying reach if you’re buying broadcast then yeah, you’re going to measure it exactly like advertising where how much loudness did we get.

How much brand awareness. Did we get how much traffic to our website that we get and you want, you’re going to want big numbers,

you’re going to pay for big numbers, you’re going to want big numbers.

And again, you may not buy the endorsement of Beyonce right but if you did, you would expect to see big numbers because that was not that would not be a small endorsement deal.

So that’s the reach outcome. You’re going to measure that with stuff like web traffic top of the funnel big numbers big awareness, the connector, you’re going to measure in the CRM, you’re not going to see that in web analytics your connector may only get you five meetings, but those five meetings, could we have five multi billion as you want to write you a check for a billion dollars right let’s go look terrible and your web analytics, but your CRM, you’re going to be like wow look at this room full of Benjamin’s that suddenly appeared. And so the outcome. There is very, very different. The system you used to measure a connector influencer marketing program will be very different. You will have to use the.

I’m for them

the authority is even more difficult to measure because that looks a lot like

in many ways, it looks like reputation reputation management. So how many people search for you by name, does that go up as the authority confer some of their authority upon you.

How much coverage. Do you get in traditional press or media or within your community. How many more people talk to you because they heard the influencer talk about you and it looks very much like traditional public relations in many ways.

So think about

how you measure your reputation as the way to measure that third type of influencer now what you see here is that these three buckets of influencers have three outcomes three different kinds of influencers that require three different identification measurements and systems and then three different outcomes and metrics and analytics

where companies go wrong.

They assume all influencer marketing is the same, you just buy influencers. Well, that’s not how that works. That’s, that’s how you you waste a lot of money instead of buying the outcome that you want and identifying the partners, you need and then the measurement system that goes with it. So when it comes to influence or marketing. Those would be my suggestion identify which the other three outcomes you want find the right people based on the using the right technology and then measure the outcomes based on the kind of outcome that you’re looking for. So you’re you know that you you bought the right kind of influencer marketing to reach your goals so many companies do this wrong so many companies to swipe the credit card and hope for the best. And that’s no different than running a bunch of on targeted ads you might get the right people, but chances are you’re just gonna waste a ton of money john we have great question complicated question complicated question.

Hopefully this provide some insight for everybody who is doing influencer marketing to be able to do it better. Thanks for asking. As always please subscribe to the YouTube channel and.

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April 17, 2018
Social Influence Network Graphs Improve Social Media Marketing
Madalyn Sklar asked how the various network graphs I make work. They’re based on a few different components and ideas, but the big idea is using a centrality algorithm to determine influence.

What is Centrality?

Centrality is a way to calculate how one node – like a Twitter handle – interacts with other nodes. The more a node is referenced, the more important it is.

Why Does Centrality Matter?

Centrality is, for me, the best way to judge influence in social media. Why? Because it’s easy to be loud and relatively easy to build a large audience (especially if you have dollars to spend). It’s less easy to organically convince a lot of people to talk about you (bots aside). The more other people talk about you, the more they reference you (whether or not you talk a lot), the more important you are in an influence network graph.

As mentioned above, there are certainly ways to game centrality mapping, such as the use of bots; however, the average social media marketing practitioner is unlikely to deal with them in any substantial way on a day-to-day basis.

How Do We Build Influence Network Graphs?

I walk through the process from beginning to end in this video. The only caveat is that my data-processing middleware is confidential. The data source used in the video is by Brand24, and the network graphing software package is an open-source package named Gephi.

How Do Network Graphs Identify Social Media Influence?
Watch this video on YouTube.

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What Do We Do With Network Graph Outputs?

Once we’ve built our graph, we use the data to:
- identify influencers
- identify influencer precursors
- perform outreach to connecting nodes
- identify trends
- find unexpected connections among groups
- build influence key topics
- build advertising lists
Properly done, influence network graphing provides us with nearly unlimited uses to turn our analysis into action.

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March 6, 2018
Marketing At Mega-Events Without Mega-Budgets
Major conferences such as CES, DreamForce, and IBM THINK have hundreds of thousands of attendees, hundreds of announcements, thousands of vendors and partners, and millions of articles, social media posts, and emails. Against this exceptionally noisy backdrop, how could we possibly stand out if we don’t have multimillion dollar budgets?

To stand a chance of standing out, we need three ingredients:
- Why
- What
- Who
Why

The first ingredient is why the event audience should pay attention to us. What do we have to offer them that’s of value and service to them? Most likely, this will be content of some kind – video, audio, an infographic, animation, book, or download.

Note that this isn’t what we want from the audience; it’s what would convince them to pay even the slightest bit of attention to us. This will vary depending on what our products, services, and expertise are.

The bench test I use is asking myself, if this weren’t my company/brand, would I mark an email about this content as spam? If the answer is yes, then our content needs to be redone until we wouldn’t consider it spam.

Jay Baer has a similar test: would we pay for our content, if it wasn’t ours? If the answer is no, improve it until it’s worth paying for.

What

Once we’ve established that we have something of value, we must determine whether our content aligns at all with what the conversation topics are. At a major show, attendees produce tens of thousands of social posts and content per day, so we’ll default to using machine learning to help us. Using text mining and topic modeling, we examine the social stream to determine what attendees are talking about the most.

For example, here’s a quick look at the run-up to CES 2018. What have attendees discussed as they travel to the show?

We see the collection of expected terms, from 5G LTE wireless to the Internet of things. When we examine a correlation plot of major topics, we see:

As shown by the darker blue circles, this year’s CES chatter so far focuses on the smart home and the Internet of Things. This is bad news if our content or marketing campaign doesn’t involve the technologies included in IoT and smart homes. For example, when we look at the term innovation, we see it most associated at CES with AI and the smart home. If we’re, say, an automaker, innovation and car have almost no relationship.

Who

We now know if our content, our campaign ideas mesh well with the topics at hand. If they do, we’re ready to move onto the final part: who should we be talking to? Using influencer analysis, we identify who has the greatest mindshare in the conversations so far:

After running our assessment, we examine the data to find who has expertise in IoT and the smart home:

With this list, our content, and our knowledge of what attendees care about, we stand a much greater chance of making an impact at a mega-event than if we simply blasted tone-deaf, irrelevant content on a hashtag.

Conclusion

Having this formula of why, what, who doesn’t necessarily guarantee us victory. However, it does help us understand and improve our chances of being noticed, of being talked about, of making the show work for us. Without this understanding, we’d just market as usual – and earn our usual poor results or negative ROI. With this analysis, we’d take action, from reaching out to specific individuals to showing advertisements only to the most relevant people.

For those attending mega-shows, good luck!

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January 8, 2018
Most Social Media Influencers Have No Influence
When we speak of influence, particularly in marketing, what are we talking about? Do we even know what influence is? If we don’t, then we’re chasing something we may not understand; in turn, we may be paying for results that make no sense or are ineffective.

What is influence?

Let’s say we have a prospective customer who doesn’t like our brand. Perhaps they had a bad experience with us, or perhaps they don’t like our marketing. What’s our business goal? To influence that customer to purchase from us again.

If we examine classical definitions of social influence, we find three general levels as defined by Dr. Herbert Kelman in 1958:
- Compliance: when someone changes their behavior (even if temporarily) but not their beliefs.
- Identification: when someone accepts new beliefs based on input from others, especially someone liked or respected.
- Internalization: when someone changes their beliefs and behaviors.
When we talk about influence as marketers, we’re often talking about very superficial influence, the influence that leads to compliance. For example, if a celebrity or a peer group convinces us to buy something or do something, they exert influence over us that leads to compliance. Compliance is what most marketers and sales professionals are chasing – can we get convince prospect to buy so that we make our numbers this quarter?

Compliance is a temporary behavior change – we hold our nose and buy from a brand because of a great sale or because we have few viable choices. If we had another choice, we would purchase from a competitor. The brand is a last choice.

The second level of influence is much stronger, where we accept different beliefs and inputs from others. This is far beyond “buy our crap”. Identification changes how we feel. Suppose we’ve had a bad experience with a brand, or been exposed to enough negative perceptions about a brand. We identify a certain set of criteria, characteristics of that brand.
- United breaks guitars (and Asian passengers’ faces).
- Chick-Fil-A is homophobic.
Changing a brand’s identity requires significant effort, to overcome what the brand used to stand for. As marketers, we must change the inputs to our audience on a sustained basis, such that the new inputs overwhelm past inputs.
- T-Mobile no longer has crap service and coverage everywhere. (it’s actually quite good, esp. in cities)
- Apple is a valuable, progressive company. (in 1997 it was on death’s door)
With enough positive inputs, our beliefs, our understanding of a brand’s identity changes. That said, our behavior might not change immediately, but our understanding of the identity is a bigger shift than mere compliance. When identity changes, a brand becomes a parity choice; for example, we consider Android and iOS peers and choose based on commodity factors, rather than buy anything but Apple. Most brands occupy this space, a neutral ground in which they compete on benefits and features.

The third level of influence is the most powerful of all: we internalize new beliefs. When our beliefs change about a brand – when we fully accept the brand’s new identity, then we can be convinced to permanently change our behaviors. We now actively seek out the brand and prefer it, even if some features and benefits are not optimal. We even evangelize on behalf of the brand, representing it positively to others, exerting the brand’s influence over us to others.

For example, Starbucks has a brand strength that permits it to sell coffee at significantly higher prices than peer competitors. For brand advocates, they’ve been influenced so much that they’ve internalized the brand.

Fans of sports franchises are the ultimate brand internalizers. They will literally tattoo the brand’s logo on their bodies. The brand’s identity becomes so internalized that their own identity merges with it. Try convincing a New England Patriots fan to be a Buffalo Bills fan or a Seattle Seahawks fan.

This is the height of influence, and the goal that marketers aspire to. How do we build influence such that people want to tattoo our logo on themselves?

Social Media Influence Isn’t (In Most Cases)

Understanding these levels of influence, we now see that the vast majority of what marketers call “influence” in social media is anything but. Instead, social media influence is really little more than advertising in its current state, which has separate goals. Advertising builds awareness and affinity, but is highly unlikely to change identity.

Social media influencers won’t change the beliefs of our audience or convince them to internalize a brand as part of their identity. What will? Our own actions and values. In the same way that no friend talking about us will change the interactions we have with a customer, no social media influencer is likely to change the interactions of a customer with a brand, no matter how many followers they have.

How do we use social media to create influence, then? We use social media as a communications channel to deepen relationships directly with our customers. If we have a great product or service, exemplary support and care, and a willingness to create positive interactions with our customers on every channel including social media, we will influence our audience to compliance, identification, and internalization.

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December 15, 2017
Influence Is Who Knows You
Mitch Joel is fond of saying, “It’s not who you know, it’s who knows you”. This quote has never been more true than today in influencer marketing.

How do we measure influence in most digital marketing domains?
- Email marketers look at forwarding and sharing rates
- Public relations professionals look at who covers us in the news
- SEO pros track who links to our website
- CRO pros measure how many people buy from us
In most digital marketing domains, we measure influence based on what someone else does – how they reference us. We measure influence as a function of engagement; the more someone has to do in order to reference us, the greater influence we have with them.

Social Media Influence Measurement

Now, consider the typical metrics we use to measure influence:
- Volume of conversation
- Number of followers
- Opaque vendor scores
Only one of these metrics – followers – tells us about who knows us. Followers is still a weak signal of influence; in the age of the algorithm, there’s no telling if even a handful of followers see our content. Following someone requires almost no effort; a cat could accidentally follow us by tapping its paw on a smartphone screen randomly.

How to Improve Social Media Influence Measurement

Instead of measuring weak metrics of engagement, measure actual engagement.
- Who knows us?
- Who talks about us?
- How much do they talk about us?
- What do they say?
Consider this diagram of people who have referenced my Twitter account in the past year.

Ask the following questions of an influence scan:
- What’s expected? I would expect much of the work I do with SHIFT, IBM, and Google to be reflected.
- What’s anomalous? IBM’s crowd stands out far more than Google and SHIFT.
- What’s missing? I did some work this year with Digiday and it’s absent. That means no one talked about it at the same scale as the VentureBeat article I did, which is visible. In turn, that means that for my audience, VentureBeat has more influence with them than Digiday.
How does this guide me? Each of these people are people I should continue to work with, as well as understand who their audiences are. If I create content that suits their audiences as well as my own, I should be able to dramatically increase my reach, engagement, and impact.

Influence Is Action

Influence is action, engagement, people doing something. When someone takes action beyond a simple tap of a button, pay attention and engage.

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October 27, 2017
How to Refresh Content With the 5I Content Repurposing Framework
When marketers approach content that needs freshening up, we tend to just wing it. We make changes in a disorganized, disorderly fashion – tweak some copy here, change the headline there, maybe swap out an image or two. This would be fine if we didn’t then expect our content to deliver disproportionate results to our efforts.

If we want our recycled, repurposed, refreshed content to perform as well or better than the original, we need to approach the recycling process differently. To create lift, we need a content repurposing framework, a set of repeatable, reliable procedures.

I call the framework I use for refreshing my old content the 5I framework.

It stands for:
- Identify
- Improve
- Influence
- Invest
- Inspect
Let’s walk through the framework.

Identify

The first step is to identify which content is suitable for repurposing. I’ve covered this before, including using Google Data Studio dashboards to quickly identify which content would benefit most from repurposing. I choose from three categories of content to repurpose, in this order:
- All-stars. This is content that has delivered search traffic and social media traffic in the past – high-performing evergreen content.
- Right topic, wrong time. In the days before predictive analytics, I’d write content that was topically relevant but published at the wrong time. Today, with predictive analytics guiding the way, I will repurpose content during times when those topics are most relevant.
- Good idea, bad content. My blog is over 10 years old. In 10 years, I’ve improved as a writer, but my legacy content remains a snapshot of who I was. I’ll update those older posts and clean them up.
Once I’ve identified and prioritized the content that needs repurposing, I move on to improving it.

Improve

When I improve content, I use a checklist to determine what needs improvement. This includes:
- Editing. No content is perfect. There’s always a way to improve writing.
- Format. With the advent of tools like Canva and AWS Polly, adding new graphics or audio is simple and easy. Using my transmedia content framework, one piece of content becomes many.
- SEO. Technical SEO is ever-changing. What was good advice even 6 months ago might be terrible advice now – much less 10 years ago. I run through my SEO checklists to ensure my content complies with today’s best practices.
- Data. There’s always newer, fresher, more relevant data for any piece of content. I’ll find the newest stuff and upgrade where appropriate.
Influence

Just because I’ve improved a piece of content, the work isn’t done. Sitting back and waiting for audiences to appear is foolish and ineffective. The third step of content refreshing is influence: distributing the new content to audiences who care about it. This includes:
- Topically-relevant influencers. Using social media influence identification tools, find who would care about the topic of the refreshed content and let them know it exists.
- Original audiences. If a piece of content performed well in the past, find the people who shared it the first time around and let them know of the improvements.
- Search engines. Using tools like Bing Webmaster Tools and Google Search Console, alert search engines of the content change through things like XML sitemaps.
- Email. The venerable newsletter is a reliable way to distribute repurposed content, from blog subscription feeds to weekly newsletters like Almost Timely.
While outreach and influence helps distribute content well over time, if I’m in a hurry to promote content, I need to throw some gasoline on the fire: advertising.

Invest

The fourth step of the process is investing in my refreshed content with paid advertising. Depending on how important the content is, this might include:
- Social post boosting. If I want repurposed content to resonate with my existing audience, few things work as well or are as affordable as boosting posts to my social audiences. For just a few dollars, boosting a post increases the likelihood that others will see it and read it.
- Retargeting. Retargeting ads identify people who’ve consumed specific content in the past. Showing ads to those people for the refreshed content is a logical next step, and tools like Google AdWords make it simple to identify audiences who’ve visited specific pieces of content.
- Search ads. If my refreshed content is about a specific, high-value search term, using PPC ads to target that term to the content is a high-ROI proposition.
- Display ads. Depending on the content, display ads and native ads might be a good fit, especially if the refreshed content is video or graphical in nature.
Advertising doesn’t have to cost a million dollars a shot; of the choices above, social boosting and retargeting deliver results for as little as $20-$ 50 a day.

Inspect

Finally, the most important part of any campaign is to determine whether it worked or not. Inspecting the content’s results in analytics helps me to understand what worked and what didn’t, setting the stage for additional refreshing of content. Be sure to tag content appropriately in the Influence and Invest stages so that we collect good data for analysis.

Process Matters

The 5I content repurposing framework is a proven, established way to reap new value from old content. Everything I’ve listed here is common sense and shouldn’t feel new or innovative. What’s important is that we approach refreshing content in an established, repeatable way. This is especially important if we have a lot of old content or need to train new people in the process.

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September 19, 2017
Why Influencer Marketing Goes Wrong
Few would argue that influencer marketing, done well, is ineffective. The catch is that often, it’s not done well. Marketers and brands pay too much to receive too little. Why?

The core problem is that marketers approach influencer identification in the wrong order. More often than not, the first thing someone asks is, “Who’s influential? Who’s an influencer we could tap?”

The question of who isn’t wrong, per se. What’s wrong is the order, the sequence. Asking who as the starting point ignores the context of an influencer marketing program, and context is everything.

For example, social media marketers today refer to some influencers as micro-influencers, on the assumption that the size of a following is still all that matters. What’s more important is whether or not the influencers we work with impact the audience we need to derive business results from. Size of audience is only a tiny portion of the overall context of influencer marketing.

A better order to ask questions in for influencer marketing to establish an appropriate, thorough context is:
- Why: Why are we considering influencers? What do influencers bring to the table that other marketing methods don’t do as well?
- How: How will we measure the success of the program?
- What: What topic or theme do we want an influencer to be influential in?
- When: When do we need to show campaign results? Depending on the kind of influencer, we may need anywhere from hours to months to start an outreach campaign.
- Where: Where does the audience we seek to influence live and work online? There’s no point in looking for Facebook influencers if our audience is on Pinterest.
- Who: Once we know why, how, what, when, and where, we start our search for who.
Note that who comes last. Creating the context around who is far more important. Design your influencer marketing programs like this and the chances of them succeeding will be far greater.

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August 2, 2017

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