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Amoussou asks, “At what point in a content creator’s life should they use third party analytics apps for LinkedIn?”

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In today’s episode, Musa asks, at what point in a content creators life, should they use third party analytics apps for LinkedIn? Hmm, well, it depends, most third party apps that claim to be able to access LinkedIn and do analytics on them, you’ve got to be very, very careful because a fair number of them, if you read the fine print, probably violate LinkedIn Terms of Service.

That in turn means that if you are caught using them by LinkedIn automated detection software, your LinkedIn account can get canned, right can be deleted, you can be suspended for violation of the terms of service.

And then you don’t have access to LinkedIn at all, especially if it’s a permanent ban, which means that they will do their best to identify you.

And any new accounts that you create will also be prohibited from using the service.

The question really, I think you’re getting out here is, how do you measure the impact of LinkedIn? You do have access to your own data when you post stuff, right, especially if your company page as opposed to an individual person.

But more important, the question I would ask is, what is the outcome? What is the business goal that you’re trying to measure? Are you trying to measure brand awareness, you’re trying to measure lead generation, you’re trying to sell things outright? Generally speaking, most people are probably not going to have a business objective.

Oh, just be popular on LinkedIn.

Right? It’s not like Instagram where, you know, people are going to give you free blenders.

Just for being popular, there’s generally some kind of business outcome.

So the question is, what is that business outcome that you think being effective, and effective content creator on LinkedIn will generate? And then how do you measure that? So, for example, one of the things that I tried to do on LinkedIn is be active and interactive and talk to my community.

But I don’t measure LinkedIn on LinkedIn, I measure LinkedIn in Google Analytics, when traffic goes to my website, because at that point, I want to see if anything that I’m doing on LinkedIn resonates enough with people that they would want to do business with me in some fashion, whether it’s signing up for my newsletter, listening to videos like this, subscribing to my YouTube channel, and most importantly, asking for help.

From my company Trust Insights on all things analytics, and marketing consult management consulting, that’s the outcome really after is people saying, Hmm, you’ve provided enough value about this area that we now know, you’re a subject matter expert in this area.

And the next time we have a need in that area, we know who to call.

One of the things that you will want to take a look at is things like branded organic search, right? If you are going all in on LinkedIn, you’re just hammering the service, and it is your thing, then, not only should you see direct traffic via Google Analytics, from LinkedIn to your website, you should also see increases in branded organic search that are commensurate and timed with big hits on LinkedIn.

So let’s say you put up a post and it goes crazy.

And you know, 10s of 1000s of people are liking it and sharing it.

Do you see a corresponding increase in branded organic search the number of people searching for you by name? If that you do, then you know that LinkedIn is having a downstream effect on your ability to be found, right? People know who you are, and they know to ask for you by name from the search engine of your choice.

So should you use these third party analytics tools? Again, most of them violate the terms of service, I would personally not feel comfortable using any kind of third party tool unless it was explicitly partnered with LinkedIn.

So for example, I use Agorapulse.

Agorapulse is a LinkedIn partner and you could safely use their app with LinkedIn and get data and feedback and stuff about the stuff you’re putting up on LinkedIn.

That’s totally fine.

There’s other tools like LinkedIn helper that runs on your laptop and uses essentially a He built in browser to kind of scrape LinkedIn.

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They’re not a LinkedIn partner.

And the way that they’re acquiring LinkedIn data is a violation of the terms of service.

And so if you get caught, if the automated detection algorithms find you, you could lose your LinkedIn account.

So how important is your LinkedIn account to you? How much risk are you comfortable with? Because it’s not like gonna go to go to jail or anything? Right? This is just penalties within the service.

So the question is, can you afford to lose your LinkedIn account? If the answer is yes, you don’t care about that much about it that much, then use as many third party apps as you want.

Because if you get caught no big deal, right, you’re you just move on and, and you do without LinkedIn.

On the other hand, if your LinkedIn account is extremely valuable to you, like it is a pillar of your social media marketing strategy, I would shy away from any third party tool that was not an authorized LinkedIn partner, because otherwise, you risk losing that account.

And that would be just outright bad.

But really good question.

Again, if you want to focus on the impact of LinkedIn, look downstream from LinkedIn, look at what happens to traffic from LinkedIn once it goes to your website or the digital property of your choice.

And if you see growth that is commensurate and contemporary with your LinkedIn activity, then you know LinkedIn is having an effect.

So really good question.

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I’ve stopped curating content on LinkedIn.

Why? After all, isn’t it a best practice to share thought leadership content and provide stuff that’s interesting to keep your audience engaged?

It is. But not when you’re not around to engage with it. In the most recent episode of So What? The Marketing Analytics and Insights Live Show, I walked through four engineering posts and academic papers that LinkedIn has published about how things like People You May Know and the LinkedIn Feed work.

One of the key takeaways for the feed is that LinkedIn divides engagement into two categories: upstream and downstream metrics. Downstream metrics are when your network engages and shares your content – activities downstream from your post. Upstream metrics are when your network’s engagement re-engages you, the creator.

And when I post curated content, I just toss it out there (well, technically Agorapulse does that for me) and then forget about it. My engagement is zero on it, even when someone hits a like on it. And that hurts future posts’ probability of being seen and recommended.

Now, does that mean curated content is bad? Is this a practice everyone should adopt? No, of course not. This is appropriate only to me, or to people like me who are not willing to make a substantial time investment in LinkedIn. If you are willing to invest the time to craft posts that curate content AND that you keep an eye on, that you structure for engagement, that you aim for that very low time to first like that the algorithm uses (which we also discuss in the episode), then curated content will do as well as any other form of content on LinkedIn. But that’s the key. I am unwilling right now to make the time for more than a post a day or so, and automating the curation just wasn’t doing it for me – or the LinkedIn newsfeed algorithm.

If LinkedIn is critical to your marketing, to your business, to your personal brand, then you will make different choices about where to invest your time, and you’ll get results commensurate with that willingness to invest. As with all things, in the long run, you get out of something what you put into it.

So, no more content curation for me on LinkedIn. If you do want curated content, you can follow my very noisy Twitter feed if you need it right away, or subscribe to my newsletter if you want just the highlights each Sunday.

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Darlene asks, “I’m getting lots of connection request sales pitches on LinkedIn. Does this spray and pray technique actually work?”

Yes and no. It works in the short term, but is deleterious in the long term. It’s a favorite tactic to be automated, which means your account is at high risk of being banned. What works better?

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In today’s episode Darlene asks, I’m getting lots of connection requests sales pitches on LinkedIn, does this spray and pray technique actually work.

I’m getting them to several dozen a day and at least they say up front as a sales pitch.

So I can decline the request which is handy rather than being that person that sends you the connection request and then the moment you hit Connect, you get what we jokingly call a pitch slap.

We immediately get a sales pitch and you have to go and unfollow the person and report them as a spammer etc.

Does the technique work? Yes and no.

Any automation any of these mass spray and pray tactics does work in the beginning in the short term, but two things tend to happen one if you’re using your own personal account, it tends to incur things like bands and having your account cancelled, etc.

Because you’re breaking the terms of service.

And that’s absolutely linked ins prerogative to do.

And to.

Even if that wasn’t the case, you’re only going to sort of get the lowest common denominator sorts of connections from that style of technique because there’s, in every market there’s there’s a curve of demand, right? There’s the people who need something right now, there are people who are looking for something.

There are people who have a problem that they don’t know was a problem yet.

And then there are people for whom the problem does not exist.

And when you’re doing spray and pray anything, spray and pray email tweets, LinkedIn connection request, whoever you really only going to scrape that very first bucket People who are so desperate that they’ll latch on to anything, those tend not to be the best customers either.

Because depending on what you’re selling, and how much commitment it takes to dissolve that thing.

Those folks are not necessarily the world’s best planners or folks who are interested in a long term professional relationship.

And you absolutely can make a market out of doing service to just the most desperate.

But again, that comes with a whole bucket problems, those are customers that tend not to pay their bills on time, among other things, as opposed to investing much more heavily over the long term in professional relationships, so that you work your way up the demand curve.

The challenge again for a lot of businesses is that if you are on the the end of demand curve, just desperate people, anyone will do to solve their problem, which also means that any competitor will do.

And the moment that that person who has bought your service finds that they’re interested in say, lower costs, etc, they will drop you like a hot potato as you work your way up the demand curve into more and more relationship based things, where the problem is not obvious where the problem may not be known, but you will have a you have built a reputation as a trusted advisor.

It’s harder to dislodge you.

It’s not impossible.

There are certainly plenty of companies that will say like, yep, we had some budget cuts and this is what we can do.

But generally speaking, that relationship will carry you much further.

It requires a longer investment.

It requires You know, sometimes months, maybe even years to build those relationships, but once you have them, then they tend to be something that can be sustained over the long term.

So should you go and automate things on LinkedIn? No, not really.

Again, there are there are bots, there are, you know, pieces of software you can buy that they can run automated.

They are relatively easy for LinkedIn to detect and then ban your account because of their automated nature.

And I’ve looked at a number of them.

I’ve looked at how they work.

They are very naive.

They do not understand how the LinkedIn algorithms work.

If you read any of Lincoln’s patents and things, they are very good about doing pattern matching.

And, again, you get a very low quality audience.

If you spend your time instead on things like effective content, marketing, on LinkedIn, connecting with people that you want to build a professional relationship with.

using other sources of data to build your LinkedIn network is a real simple one is asking people to connect with you on LinkedIn in things like email newsletters and stuff that you do or in your YouTube videos, or whatever the case may be.

Anything where you’re going to build on that relationship, and you’re going to have no expectations from that relationship for a long time.

Again, measured in years.

This is why a lot of sales folks still refer to things like the golden Rolodex, which is your book of business, your your collection of professional contacts that are meaningful contacts that people that will return your calls, if you call them and vice versa.

And it takes years or decades to build that up.

So get started.

If you don’t have one get started soon.

invest in people for who they are.

Because people will change job roles all the time and a person who was a bigwig at one company, maybe not so much in another company, but that person if they are somebody you are legitimately invested in as a human being, will tend to move around over their career, and may again be in a position where they can be of benefit to you and vice versa.

That’s the the, it’s not easy.

But that’s the simplest way to use LinkedIn is just invest in people that you actually want to be connected with that you would actually want to sit down for a cup of coffee with virtually, or beer virtually, these days.

And spend some time with so don’t don’t automate things.

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Ashley and the LinkedIn team ask, “What is one of the most defining moments in your career and how has it shaped you as a marketer?”

What a fun question. August 24, 2011 is a date that sticks out in my mind as a day that set me on my path today. Watch the video to find out what was so consequential about that date. This is a series of 3 questions; stay tuned for parts 2 and 3.

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in today’s episode ashley and the team at linkedin ask what is one of the most defining moments in your career and how has it shaped you as a marketer

if i had to look back over the length of my career and the direction it has been heading over the last 10 years probably one of the defining moments was august 24 2011

and this is going to get super nerdy but the reason that date sticks out is that is the day that google analytics released assisted conversions and multi channel funnels which is a really big deal in analytics up until that point for the first really 15 years of the web we were all as marketers using last touch attribution what was the last thing somebody did that and we gave credit to that channel that campaign that tactic for generating the business we had no way really of going

back in time and seeing what’s what else someone did in order to convert in order to, to do something of a meaningful business impact. On that day, Google pushed out its multi channel funnels, which allows you to track not only the last thing somebody did, but all the things somebody did leading up to that conversion, which significantly changed the language that we use as marketers about how people convert about what drives conversion, and what and how much credit should be given to any one given campaign or tactic or method for generating business. This really opening the door in a lot of ways for modern social media marketing, because up until that point, you know, Twitter got released to the public in 2007, Facebook in 2005. And without that assisted conversion tracking.

We know for most businesses, social media is not the last thing somebody does before

They make a purchase, right? Because especially if it’s a complex big purchase, not a whole lot of Gulfstream airplanes, or quarter million dollar SaaS software implementations are bought from a tweet.

Not a ton of vehicles or real estate or bought from a LinkedIn post.

But these channels,

and social in general are contributing factors to those conversions by helping us build awareness by helping us build trust by helping us build credibility.

And so when Google rolled out assisted conversions, because suddenly say, hey, this series of posts I’ve put on LinkedIn really matter because they are part of the path to conversion even, they’re not the last thing that somebody does. And this set the foundation for in my career, what was going to be a major focus from there on out a heavy focus on analytics, a heavy focus on data science, the technology that gives us a

assisted conversions also gives us path analysis not only what channels were part of a conversion but then how do those channels interact which set the stage really for a couple years later for my first forays into machine learning in 2013 and today and as we’re recording this it’s early 2019 machine learning and artificial intelligence really are now my my specialties within the realm of marketing and marketing data but without that first

glimpse of light about that there’s more to converge and then the last thing somebody did it would be i would i would say it would be difficult for me to be where i am today because that’s such a simplistic answer even though it’s mostly wrong it’s just such a simplistic answer that none of us i think would have put a whole lot of time or effort into thinking more deeply about all the ways that somebody can convert all the the steps within the customer journey even modern digital customer journey

mapping the ability for us to, to use data to map out the customer journey in a in a data driven a factual way wouldn’t be possible without technology like assisted conversions and multi channel funnels, it simply would be out of our reach, we will not have that information. Today, we now have tools like Markov chain modeling and gradient boosting and all these fancy machine learning tools that can take that data and exponentially increases value by seeing exactly what works best. This is especially true when we don’t have complete data, but we have enough data to be able to at least begin and fairing mathematical relationships between data points, for example. It is somewhat difficult

phrase, it’s extremely difficult to get any kind of competitive data out of LinkedIn or out of personal profiles, but you can see the traffic that comes from LinkedIn to your website.

using multi channel funnels using machine learning using ai you can infer the value of that traffic and really get a sense of this is this is something that i should be doing more of or something i should be doing less of so that moment august 24 2011

rollout of multi channel funnels really was a defining moment in my career so much so i referenced it in keynote talks that i do when i’m talking about attribution analysis it was a defining moment for me and for the industry overall and it’s one that i’m i’m still surprised when i talked to some marketers and not using even the basic built in feature in google analytics much less what you can do with that data but at least it’s there at least it’s available to all of us and and for those folks who have embraced it hopefully it has helped your career grow as well as always please leave comments in the comment box below this is actually going to be a three part series of questions that ashley and the linkedin team have about career defining things so

Stay tuned for parts two and three coming soon.

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