Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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    What’s On My Mind: Generative AI and the Synthesis Use Case Category

    This week, letā€™s talk about the seventh major use case category for generative AI, especially with regard to large language models. Iā€™ve talked extensively in my keynotes, workshops, and webinars about the six major use case categories:

    • Generation: making new data, typically in the form of language or images
    • Extraction: taking data out of other data, like extracting tables from a PDF
    • Summarization: making big data into small data
    • Rewriting: turning data from one form to another, like translation
    • Classification: organizing and categorizing our data, like sentiment analysis
    • Question answering: asking questions of our data

    The seventh category, which is a blend of several of the tasks above but is distinct enough that I think it merits a callout, is synthesis. This is mashing data together to form something new.

    Why is this different? Because if we look at the use cases above, all of them except generation are about taking existing data and in one form or another getting a smaller version of that data out. None of them are about putting data together, and thatā€™s what synthesis is.

    What does synthesis look like? Letā€™s go to a specific, tangible use case. My friend Amber Naslund works for LinkedIn and has been asked a bazillion times how LinkedInā€™s algorithm works, why a post did or didnā€™t appear, etc. To be clear, Amber works in sales leadership, not machine learning or AI. Sheā€™s not the right person to ask these questions of, and despite her saying so very publicly, very frequently, people keep asking her.

    However, LinkedIn itself has told us how its algorithm works, at length. LinkedIn has an engineering blog in which engineers – the people who actually build LinkedInā€™s algorithm – document the technologies, algorithms, techniques, code, and tools they use to create the LinkedIn algorithm. From how the LinkedIn graph is distributed across more than a dozen servers globally in real-time (which is a ridiculous feat of engineering itself) to how the feed decides to show you what, the engineers have told us how it works.

    So why donā€™t marketers and sales professionals know this? Because, engineers being engineers, they told us in engineering talk. And theyā€™ve told us across dozens of blog posts, interviews, articles, podcasts, and videos around the web. They didnā€™t serve it up on a silver platter for us in terms a non-technical marketer can understandā€¦

    ā€¦ and they are under no obligation to do so. Their job is to build tech, not explain it to the general public.

    Until the advent of large language models, that meant very technical documents were simply out of reach for the average non-technical marketer. But with large language models – especially those models that have enormous short-term memories (context windows) like Google Gemini 1.5 and Anthropic Claude 3 Opus – we suddenly have the tools to translate technical jargon into terms we can understand and take action on.

    But to do that, we need to play digital detective. We need to find all these pieces, gather them in one placeā€¦ and synthesize them. Glue them together. Put all the puzzle pieces in the lid of the box and sort them so that we can do tasks like question answering and summarization.

    So letā€™s go ahead and do that. I strongly recommend watching the video version of this if you want to see the process, step by step.

    First, we need to find the actual data itself. Weā€™ll start with LinkedInā€™s engineering blog. Not every post is relevant to how the algorithm works, but we want to identify posts that talk about content in any capacity, from serving it up quickly to sorting it to preventing abuse and spam. Any post talking about content may have clues in it that would be useful.

    Then we need to hit the broader web, with an AI-enabled search engine like Bing or Perplexity, something that can interpret large and complicated queries. We ask the search engine to find us interviews with LinkedIn engineers about content, especially on podcasts and on YouTube. Once we find those resources, we convert them to text format, typically with AI-powered transcription software if transcripts or captions arenā€™t provided. (Power move: YouTube closed captions can usually be downloaded with free utilities like yt-dlp, especially in bulk)

    What we donā€™t want are third party opinions. Everyone and their cousin has their opinion – usually uninformed – about what they think LinkedIn is doing behind the scenes. We should be careful to exclude any of that kind of content in our work.

    After that, we want to hit up those same AI-powered search engines for academic papers and research from LinkedIn engineers also about content, especially any kind of sorting, categorization, or ranking algorithms.

    Once weā€™ve gathered up all the goods from as many places as we can find them, we load them into the language model of our choice and ask it to synthesize the knowledge weā€™ve gathered, discarding irrelevant stuff and summarizing in a single, unified framework all the knowledge related to the LinkedIn feed that weā€™ve provided. Be careful in prompting to ensure the model uses only the uploaded data; we want to restrict it to credible sources only, those being the ones weā€™ve provided.

    After weā€™ve done that, we can convert the framework into a protocol, an actionable guide of practices we can deliver to our social media marketing teams that will help them get more out of LinkedIn – and spare Amberā€™s inbox.

    Thatā€™s the power of synthesis. Why is it so important? If youā€™ve ever worked with a large language model and had it hallucinate – meaning invent something that wasnā€™t true – itā€™s because the model is drawing from its long term memory, its training data. Some of the training data in the model is crap information, patently false stuff. Some of what weā€™re asking, the model simply might not know. In an effort to be helpful and follow our instructions, the model instead returns the closest matches which are statistically correct, but factually wrong.

    In the case of our LinkedIn synthesis, there are a LOT of people who have a lot of opinions about how LinkedIn works. Very few of them are LinkedIn engineers, and if we want to reduce hallucination – both from an absence of data as well as bad data – we need to bring our own data to the party, like all those documents.

    The rule of thumb is this: the more data you bring, the less the model is likely to invent and the less likely it is to hallucinate.

    We have our working guide for how to market on LinkedIn to take advantage of the information provided to us by engineering. If youā€™d like the PDF copy of this output, you can download it for free from the Trust Insights website in exchange for a form fill – but I would encourage you to try the process out for yourself so you can see firsthand how synthesis works. No matter what, you can safely stop asking Amber how LinkedIn works now.

    And so we now have our Magnificent Seven, the Seven Samurai of Generative AI: generation, extraction, summarization, rewriting, classification, question answering, and synthesis. Welcome to the party, synthesis. Itā€™s nice to have you here.

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  • Mind Readings: What Is Appropriate

    Mind Readings: What Is Appropriate

    Lots of posts about what’s appropriate in the workplace/on LinkedIn/etc. What’s appropriate? The answer varies wildly, is always contextual, and generally revolves around not causing harm.

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    Christopher Penn 0:15

    In today’s episode, let’s talk about what’s appropriate.

    On LinkedIn, in particular, LinkedIn, I see this way the most on LinkedIn.

    People are creating tons of content, tons, about what’s appropriate, what’s appropriate in the workplace, what kind of attire is appropriate in workplaces, are tattoos appropriate in the workplace, et cetera, et cetera.

    And then those folks who are sort of the self appointed LinkedIn police, this content is not appropriate for LinkedIn.

    jokes don’t belong here.

    There was so much controversy, artificially created controversy about LinkedIn adding the funny reaction to a lot of its content, like that reaction has no bit place of business.

    And that was like, I would hate to work at your company if things aren’t allowed to be funny, and you’re not allowed to laugh.

    If you don’t want to work for you.

    But that got me thinking, what does this mean, something’s appropriate or inappropriate, and who decides what that is? Obviously, in the case of the self appointed LinkedIn police, they and it is almost always a very specific demographic that is behaves like LinkedIn police.

    I don’t need to name it, you can even look at yourself.

    But who decides what’s appropriate? The answer varies wildly, like really wildly.

    It’s always contextual.

    But I would say that if you needed a benchmark for what’s appropriate, and what’s not, it revolves around not causing harm.

    Right? If you have tattoos on your body, and you come into the office, and I’m in the office, does that cause me personally harm? Me? The answer is no.

    Just in general.

    Now, does your body do with it whenever you want? If your body is covered in tattoos that are wildly racist, and are supporting a point of view that says you would like to subjugate me because of the color of my skin.

    Does that cause me harm? Sure does.

    Does putting up a blog post or a piece of content or a meme on LinkedIn? That is just the usual like dad joke or whatever? Or a bit of clickbait? Does that cause me harm? No.

    Does promoting an economic policy that would disenfranchise people who look like me people who are my nationality? Does that cause me harm? Yeah, yeah, it would.

    And so if there were to be a standard for what isn’t is not appropriate.

    I would argue the standard should be around causing or not causing harm.

    You will see a lot of people arguing about whether something was woke or not.

    Woke is just kind of a condensed way of saying, Will this content cause harm? Right? If you are using language that inherently hurts other people, has nothing to do with being woke it has to do with you’re causing harm, right? Think about the pandemic.

    What happens if you call the COVID disease? A China virus what happens is you get more violence and discrimination against people of Chinese ethnic origin.

    And for good or ill most people in the Western world can’t tell the difference between someone who’s Chinese, Korean, Japanese, etc.

    And so people who look like me, are harmed by that.

    So changing the name from the Wuhan strain to COVID, you know, clade 19, a COVID.

    COVID-19.

    A does not say discriminate against a certain group of people.

    It just says this is what this thing is.

    Just like we have Omicron, ba five, right.

    As opposed to the South African variant, right, that is going to create harm.

    So what’s appropriate in the workplace, what’s appropriate on LinkedIn, what’s appropriate wherever? Probably shouldn’t cause harm, right? Ideally, should make the world or at least your your corner of the world a better place, a happier place, etc.

    But I would also say that, especially on places like LinkedIn, less so in the workplace because it’s hard to do at the workplace, but especially on LinkedIn,

    Christopher Penn 5:14

    to the folks who are sort of the self appointed LinkedIn police.

    If you don’t like something just hit that unfollow button, right.

    Want to follow, I would remove that your connection to that person, it’s so much easier to do that than tilting it the windmills of social media.

    If, if that’s how you spend your time.

    You can spend your time however you want, but it might suggest there might be more valuable things you could do with your time.

    Again, that, to me, that doesn’t apply if you’re causing harm.

    If you’re putting up content on any social network that isn’t overtly racist or sexist or any guest and I see it.

    I’m going to hit that report button, because it’s causing harm.

    You putting up clickbait, about your your point of view on your industry doesn’t cause me harm.

    That’s fine.

    If I don’t want to see it.

    I’ll just unfollow.

    So what’s your thoughts about what’s appropriate or not? Again, I think it’s contextual, but I think the standard of not causing harm is a pretty good one.

    Let me know what you think.

    Thanks for tuning in.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Newsletters on LinkedIn?

    You Ask, I Answer: Newsletters on LinkedIn?

    Heidi asks, “I wonder why youā€™re offering your newsletter via LinkedIn. Based on past conversations, I thought that you created unique content for your newsletters and didnā€™t publish it elsewhere to get people to subscribe to it and to be able to use it elsewhere if needed. So what motivated you to change?”

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    In today’s episode, Heidi asks, I wonder why you’re offering a newsletter via LinkedIn.

    Based on past conversations, I thought that you create a unique content for your newsletters, and didn’t publish it elsewhere to get people to subscribe to it, and to be able to use it elsewhere if needed.

    So what motivated you to change? Really good question.

    Here’s the thing.

    When I look in my Google Analytics, at traffic, to my subscribe page, for my newsletter, from all the different channels that are out there, LinkedIn for the last six months has been pretty close to zero, right? That means that my LinkedIn audience isn’t subscribing to my newsletter by normal means I’ve I’ve kind of tapped it out, I think I think I’ve gotten all the juice for the squeeze that I’m going to be able to get telling people to subscribe to my newsletter, from LinkedIn posts.

    Which means if I want the attention of that crowd, maybe I should try the built in platform.

    With the understanding, I’m not creating anything new for LinkedIn, I’m literally copying and pasting from my existing newsletter to LinkedIn.

    But the content still decent, right? It’s still okay.

    It’s not like the LinkedIn folks are getting, like almost timely light.

    It’s just the regular newsletter.

    When you’ve tapped out a platform, when you’ve tapped out an audience, it’s worth a try trying some of the native tools because as we know, with many different social networks, what that social network is trying to do from a strategic perspective.

    They give preference to it right? When Instagram rolls out, reveals, guess what’s going to get a thumbs up in the algorithm, the thing they want to promote.

    LinkedIn has been promoting newsletters, Twitter has been promoting those with review.

    And as a result, those things for a short period of time will get more attention.

    Combine that with the fact that like I said, Nobody subscribing, and nobody’s even reaching my subscribe page from LinkedIn, that tells me there’s no more juice to be squeezed.

    So let’s try it on platform.

    And sure enough, I put the first issue up, and within a week had 1700 subscribers, these are people who would prefer to get the newsletter on LinkedIn, as opposed to in their regular inbox.

    Now, I’m still putting a banner up the top that says, hey, if you prefer to get this newsletter in your regular inbox, subscribe here, because I definitely don’t want LinkedIn to be holding my audience captive, if I can avoid if I can get them elsewhere.

    But those are 1700 people who clearly did not want my newsletter in their regular inbox, because if they did, they would get it there instead.

    So why not? Here’s the thing.

    At the end of the day, attention is the only thing that matters, right? Well, it’s not the only thing.

    But it’s the most important thing from a publishing and media perspective.

    If you have nothing at the top of the funnel, the rest of the funnel by default is empty, right? There’s nothing to nurture, there’s nothing to sell, there’s nobody to sell to, there’s nobody to do customer care for, you’ve got an empty funnel, there’s nothing there.

    When you have people’s attention, however, you can get it by any legal and ethical means.

    Know those two parts are important.

    Then you have something to work with.

    Again, when you have somebody’s attention, then you have something else to work with.

    You have you have stuff coming in the top of the funnel, some of it will eventually trickle down to the bottom of funnel.

    But if nothing’s coming in the top, you got nothing.

    And so those 1700 people that have signed up for my newsletter on LinkedIn, that’s 1700 more people that I’m reaching that I didn’t reach previous the previous week, I’ll take it.

    Right, I will take whatever attention I can get on the content that I’m creating.

    Because content without attention is completely valueless, right? You can put all the effort and care and, and and stuff into a piece of content.

    And if nobody ever sees it except you, unless you’re making content for yourself.

    It didn’t do its job.

    Right, it was a waste of your time was a waste of resources.

    If I put my newsletter in front of 240,000 people, which is what the subscription is right about now, and I have the chance to pick up an additional 1700 for really maybe 10 minutes of extra work, maybe five, copy, paste, edit some UTM tags to make sure that we’re not using the same UTM tags in both places.

    Why not? Why not? Now again, If I see this really take off and I start seeing like, an uncomfortably large percentage, like maybe when 5% of my newsletter base is reading on LinkedIn versus in the email version,

    Christopher Penn 5:13

    I might be a little bit concerned because again, if LinkedIn vanished tomorrow, what I want 5% of my business to disappear, no.

    But for as long as it’s just not a whole lot of extra work for a lot of extra potential return, I’m going to give it a try.

    I’m going to see if it works.

    And keep an eye on those risks.

    Keep an eye on those risks.

    So long answer to a very good question.

    If you’ve got a channel that you’ve tapped out by regular means, and you think there’s still juice to be squeezed there in some fashion, try the native tools.

    See if you get a response that way, see, if you get a response to whatever the social networks algorithm is promoting that week, or that month, or whatever their you know, their current thing is, and if you do, great, then you’ve gotten some extra attention that you probably didn’t have to pay for.

    So that would be the other major consideration.

    The LinkedIn newsletter doesn’t cost me any additional hard dollars to put it up.

    And if 1700 extra people are reading it for zero, a hard dollar spend and a nominal soft dollar spend.

    I’m definitely gonna do it.

    So, good question.

    Try it out for yourself.

    If you can make it work.

    And it doesn’t present a strategic risk to your business.

    Why not take the extra attention and do something good with it? Thanks for asking.

    I will talk to you soon.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Third Party Analytics for LinkedIn?

    You Ask, I Answer: Third Party Analytics for LinkedIn?

    Amoussou asks, “At what point in a content creator’s life should they use third party analytics apps for LinkedIn?”

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    In today’s episode, Musa asks, at what point in a content creators life, should they use third party analytics apps for LinkedIn? Hmm, well, it depends, most third party apps that claim to be able to access LinkedIn and do analytics on them, you’ve got to be very, very careful because a fair number of them, if you read the fine print, probably violate LinkedIn Terms of Service.

    That in turn means that if you are caught using them by LinkedIn automated detection software, your LinkedIn account can get canned, right can be deleted, you can be suspended for violation of the terms of service.

    And then you don’t have access to LinkedIn at all, especially if it’s a permanent ban, which means that they will do their best to identify you.

    And any new accounts that you create will also be prohibited from using the service.

    The question really, I think you’re getting out here is, how do you measure the impact of LinkedIn? You do have access to your own data when you post stuff, right, especially if your company page as opposed to an individual person.

    But more important, the question I would ask is, what is the outcome? What is the business goal that you’re trying to measure? Are you trying to measure brand awareness, you’re trying to measure lead generation, you’re trying to sell things outright? Generally speaking, most people are probably not going to have a business objective.

    Oh, just be popular on LinkedIn.

    Right? It’s not like Instagram where, you know, people are going to give you free blenders.

    Just for being popular, there’s generally some kind of business outcome.

    So the question is, what is that business outcome that you think being effective, and effective content creator on LinkedIn will generate? And then how do you measure that? So, for example, one of the things that I tried to do on LinkedIn is be active and interactive and talk to my community.

    But I don’t measure LinkedIn on LinkedIn, I measure LinkedIn in Google Analytics, when traffic goes to my website, because at that point, I want to see if anything that I’m doing on LinkedIn resonates enough with people that they would want to do business with me in some fashion, whether it’s signing up for my newsletter, listening to videos like this, subscribing to my YouTube channel, and most importantly, asking for help.

    From my company Trust Insights on all things analytics, and marketing consult management consulting, that’s the outcome really after is people saying, Hmm, you’ve provided enough value about this area that we now know, you’re a subject matter expert in this area.

    And the next time we have a need in that area, we know who to call.

    One of the things that you will want to take a look at is things like branded organic search, right? If you are going all in on LinkedIn, you’re just hammering the service, and it is your thing, then, not only should you see direct traffic via Google Analytics, from LinkedIn to your website, you should also see increases in branded organic search that are commensurate and timed with big hits on LinkedIn.

    So let’s say you put up a post and it goes crazy.

    And you know, 10s of 1000s of people are liking it and sharing it.

    Do you see a corresponding increase in branded organic search the number of people searching for you by name? If that you do, then you know that LinkedIn is having a downstream effect on your ability to be found, right? People know who you are, and they know to ask for you by name from the search engine of your choice.

    So should you use these third party analytics tools? Again, most of them violate the terms of service, I would personally not feel comfortable using any kind of third party tool unless it was explicitly partnered with LinkedIn.

    So for example, I use Agorapulse.

    Agorapulse is a LinkedIn partner and you could safely use their app with LinkedIn and get data and feedback and stuff about the stuff you’re putting up on LinkedIn.

    That’s totally fine.

    There’s other tools like LinkedIn helper that runs on your laptop and uses essentially a He built in browser to kind of scrape LinkedIn.

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    They’re not a LinkedIn partner.

    And the way that they’re acquiring LinkedIn data is a violation of the terms of service.

    And so if you get caught, if the automated detection algorithms find you, you could lose your LinkedIn account.

    So how important is your LinkedIn account to you? How much risk are you comfortable with? Because it’s not like gonna go to go to jail or anything? Right? This is just penalties within the service.

    So the question is, can you afford to lose your LinkedIn account? If the answer is yes, you don’t care about that much about it that much, then use as many third party apps as you want.

    Because if you get caught no big deal, right, you’re you just move on and, and you do without LinkedIn.

    On the other hand, if your LinkedIn account is extremely valuable to you, like it is a pillar of your social media marketing strategy, I would shy away from any third party tool that was not an authorized LinkedIn partner, because otherwise, you risk losing that account.

    And that would be just outright bad.

    But really good question.

    Again, if you want to focus on the impact of LinkedIn, look downstream from LinkedIn, look at what happens to traffic from LinkedIn once it goes to your website or the digital property of your choice.

    And if you see growth that is commensurate and contemporary with your LinkedIn activity, then you know LinkedIn is having an effect.

    So really good question.

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  • Why I Stopped Curating Content on LinkedIn

    Why I Stopped Curating Content on LinkedIn

    I’ve stopped curating content on LinkedIn.

    Why? After all, isn’t it a best practice to share thought leadership content and provide stuff that’s interesting to keep your audience engaged?

    It is. But not when you’re not around to engage with it. In the most recent episode of So What? The Marketing Analytics and Insights Live Show, I walked through four engineering posts and academic papers that LinkedIn has published about how things like People You May Know and the LinkedIn Feed work.

    One of the key takeaways for the feed is that LinkedIn divides engagement into two categories: upstream and downstream metrics. Downstream metrics are when your network engages and shares your content – activities downstream from your post. Upstream metrics are when your network’s engagement re-engages you, the creator.

    And when I post curated content, I just toss it out there (well, technically Agorapulse does that for me) and then forget about it. My engagement is zero on it, even when someone hits a like on it. And that hurts future posts’ probability of being seen and recommended.

    Cleared Agorapulse Queue

    Now, does that mean curated content is bad? Is this a practice everyone should adopt? No, of course not. This is appropriate only to me, or to people like me who are not willing to make a substantial time investment in LinkedIn. If you are willing to invest the time to craft posts that curate content AND that you keep an eye on, that you structure for engagement, that you aim for that very low time to first like that the algorithm uses (which we also discuss in the episode), then curated content will do as well as any other form of content on LinkedIn. But that’s the key. I am unwilling right now to make the time for more than a post a day or so, and automating the curation just wasn’t doing it for me – or the LinkedIn newsfeed algorithm.

    If LinkedIn is critical to your marketing, to your business, to your personal brand, then you will make different choices about where to invest your time, and you’ll get results commensurate with that willingness to invest. As with all things, in the long run, you get out of something what you put into it.

    So, no more content curation for me on LinkedIn. If you do want curated content, you can follow my very noisy Twitter feed if you need it right away, or subscribe to my newsletter if you want just the highlights each Sunday.

    Catch the full episode of the show here:

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Mass Connection Requests on LinkedIn?

    You Ask, I Answer: Mass Connection Requests on LinkedIn?

    Darlene asks, “I’m getting lots of connection request sales pitches on LinkedIn. Does this spray and pray technique actually work?”

    Yes and no. It works in the short term, but is deleterious in the long term. It’s a favorite tactic to be automated, which means your account is at high risk of being banned. What works better?

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    In today’s episode Darlene asks, I’m getting lots of connection requests sales pitches on LinkedIn, does this spray and pray technique actually work.

    I’m getting them to several dozen a day and at least they say up front as a sales pitch.

    So I can decline the request which is handy rather than being that person that sends you the connection request and then the moment you hit Connect, you get what we jokingly call a pitch slap.

    We immediately get a sales pitch and you have to go and unfollow the person and report them as a spammer etc.

    Does the technique work? Yes and no.

    Any automation any of these mass spray and pray tactics does work in the beginning in the short term, but two things tend to happen one if you’re using your own personal account, it tends to incur things like bands and having your account cancelled, etc.

    Because you’re breaking the terms of service.

    And that’s absolutely linked ins prerogative to do.

    And to.

    Even if that wasn’t the case, you’re only going to sort of get the lowest common denominator sorts of connections from that style of technique because there’s, in every market there’s there’s a curve of demand, right? There’s the people who need something right now, there are people who are looking for something.

    There are people who have a problem that they don’t know was a problem yet.

    And then there are people for whom the problem does not exist.

    And when you’re doing spray and pray anything, spray and pray email tweets, LinkedIn connection request, whoever you really only going to scrape that very first bucket People who are so desperate that they’ll latch on to anything, those tend not to be the best customers either.

    Because depending on what you’re selling, and how much commitment it takes to dissolve that thing.

    Those folks are not necessarily the world’s best planners or folks who are interested in a long term professional relationship.

    And you absolutely can make a market out of doing service to just the most desperate.

    But again, that comes with a whole bucket problems, those are customers that tend not to pay their bills on time, among other things, as opposed to investing much more heavily over the long term in professional relationships, so that you work your way up the demand curve.

    The challenge again for a lot of businesses is that if you are on the the end of demand curve, just desperate people, anyone will do to solve their problem, which also means that any competitor will do.

    And the moment that that person who has bought your service finds that they’re interested in say, lower costs, etc, they will drop you like a hot potato as you work your way up the demand curve into more and more relationship based things, where the problem is not obvious where the problem may not be known, but you will have a you have built a reputation as a trusted advisor.

    It’s harder to dislodge you.

    It’s not impossible.

    There are certainly plenty of companies that will say like, yep, we had some budget cuts and this is what we can do.

    But generally speaking, that relationship will carry you much further.

    It requires a longer investment.

    It requires You know, sometimes months, maybe even years to build those relationships, but once you have them, then they tend to be something that can be sustained over the long term.

    So should you go and automate things on LinkedIn? No, not really.

    Again, there are there are bots, there are, you know, pieces of software you can buy that they can run automated.

    They are relatively easy for LinkedIn to detect and then ban your account because of their automated nature.

    And I’ve looked at a number of them.

    I’ve looked at how they work.

    They are very naive.

    They do not understand how the LinkedIn algorithms work.

    If you read any of Lincoln’s patents and things, they are very good about doing pattern matching.

    And, again, you get a very low quality audience.

    If you spend your time instead on things like effective content, marketing, on LinkedIn, connecting with people that you want to build a professional relationship with.

    using other sources of data to build your LinkedIn network is a real simple one is asking people to connect with you on LinkedIn in things like email newsletters and stuff that you do or in your YouTube videos, or whatever the case may be.

    Anything where you’re going to build on that relationship, and you’re going to have no expectations from that relationship for a long time.

    Again, measured in years.

    This is why a lot of sales folks still refer to things like the golden Rolodex, which is your book of business, your your collection of professional contacts that are meaningful contacts that people that will return your calls, if you call them and vice versa.

    And it takes years or decades to build that up.

    So get started.

    If you don’t have one get started soon.

    invest in people for who they are.

    Because people will change job roles all the time and a person who was a bigwig at one company, maybe not so much in another company, but that person if they are somebody you are legitimately invested in as a human being, will tend to move around over their career, and may again be in a position where they can be of benefit to you and vice versa.

    That’s the the, it’s not easy.

    But that’s the simplest way to use LinkedIn is just invest in people that you actually want to be connected with that you would actually want to sit down for a cup of coffee with virtually, or beer virtually, these days.

    And spend some time with so don’t don’t automate things.

    If you have follow up questions about effectively using LinkedIn, drop them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: LinkedIn Contact Export Data Details?

    You Ask, I Answer: LinkedIn Contact Export Data Details?

    Keiko asks, “Is it possible to download Linkedin contacts with city or state location? Thank you!”

    Out of the box, the answer is no. You get first name, last name, title, and company, and the connection date, and that’s it from the official LinkedIn export. There are third party options, but they come at massive risk of having your profile banned for violation of the Terms of Service. There is a simple strategy which takes a serious amount of time, but is a valid workaround that obeys the Terms of Service. Watch the video for more details.

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    In today’s episode, Keiko asks, Is it possible to download LinkedIn contacts with city or state location? Thank you out of the box, the answer is no.

    In the official LinkedIn export what you get from your, if you go to your profile settings go to account, go into it manage your data, you can request an export of your LinkedIn connections.

    And what you get in that file is first name, last name, title, company and connection date.

    That’s what’s in the file, you no longer get any form of contact information except for those very, very few people who consent to having their email address listed publicly.

    LinkedIn took that away.

    November 2018, I believe was because way too many marketers were exporting their LinkedIn connections and then just adding every single person on their team to their email list and out that’s a it’s against the terms of service, but be it just irritated a lot of people.

    So that’s no longer available.

    And that would have been the easiest way to do that.

    So there are third party options, there are a number of vendors have created tools that will against the terms of service, scrape LinkedIn profiles, about your first degree connections, and assemble a download with all the relevant information, those tools will likely get you banned.

    Let’s put that out there, those tools will likely get you banned.

    And the reason for that is they they’re against the terms of service.

    They by crawling the LinkedIn website at speed, they are resource drain on LinkedIn.

    And here’s the funny thing.

    Each of them because they’re all paid services.

    They have certain API calls, they have certain things their own that the LinkedIn engineering team has sensibly built tools to identify to ping them.

    And if they’re installed in your browser, you’re in violation, your your profile gets flagged and you get banned from LinkedIn, which is kind of against the point whole point of LinkedIn, you don’t want to get bent.

    So how do you do this? The simple, straightforward, long term play the requires time requires effort requires resources.

    But there’s a valid workaround that obeys the terms of service is this on a regular frequent basis, share content on LinkedIn, that people go to your website, fill out a form, where you can ask them these questions like your city, your state, your country, all that stuff.

    And as long as the content is sufficiently compelling enough, a certain percentage of people will do it.

    So that requires haven’t gotten people actually want.

    And they’re willing to fill out a form for.

    And it requires your time and effort over a long period of time to consistently share this thing to give it away.

    collecting that information.

    So it’s got to be great, it’s got to be free, it’s got to be something that you promote on a regular basis.

    And it has to be valuable to your connections, and you will get a percentage of your connections to convert is no different than any other lead generation program.

    And you can absolutely run ads, to your connections, your company’s connections, all that stuff to promote this thing.

    And you’ll get that data.

    Now the question is, is that data valuable? It can be, especially if on the form you’re collecting email addresses.

    I would also suggest that all of your form pages, well, I would suggest that you create a landing page specifically for LinkedIn, you only use it on LinkedIn, right so that it is likely not guaranteed, but likely that the traffic going to that page is from LinkedIn.

    And I would strongly encourage you to incur to install some ad cooking software on their ad tracking software that allows you to enroll the people who visit that page into a tracking audience.

    I use a company called stack adapt, which you’ll find a link in the show notes below.

    And when you do that, you can further refine your city and state but then you can reach out to those people by who visit that page with ads, retargeting them, and get them to come back or get them to participate in a different offer of some kind.

    Stack adapt is terrific.

    But there are obviously a million different ad services out there.

    I like stacked up because they have a very low minimum for advertising 300 bucks per campaign, which, if you’re creating something of value and is driving your business, you should be able to find 300 bucks.

    Now if it’s like for your personal email newsletter, or something like that, then yeah, it’s a little steep.

    But for a business, you should be able to find 300 bucks, you can’t you have bigger problems.

    So that’s the strategy, create content people want.

    Share it on LinkedIn, get them fill out that form.

    And then enroll them in your ad system so that you can continue to target them, identify them.

    Make sure obviously things like Google Analytics for installed on the page, make sure that you are capturing the first three sections of someone’s IP version four address, you’ll always want to anonymize the last octet because of GDPR and CCP compliance, but those first three digits will give you city state for sure.

    Or by province.

    But yeah, the easiest way, ask people ask people that information.

    with the understanding that obviously, every additional field you put on a form is reduces that that forms conversion rate.

    But if it’s important to you do it that way, I would say if you get the export of that first last title company, then you can do first last match on first last first last email and on the form and then match that to your connections to get title the company slip, someone doesn’t have to fill out the form of that.

    And then get the location data that way as well.

    postal code is probably the easiest thing to capture.

    And then you can reverse engineer that based on you know, zip databases in the US Postal Service in the UK, etc, etc.

    Each of these countries has a database for that sort of thing.

    So that’s the strategy.

    It’s not guaranteed it won’t get 100% of your connections, but it will get the connections that are interested in you and interested in the content that you share.

    The other thing is you need to be creating content have value all the time on LinkedIn over a long period of time so that people trust you, like you engage with with you, and then are likely to engage with that ask so make sure that you spend a year or two doing that first.

    So good question needs to be a lot easier in the old days but as always marketers ruined everything so please leave follow up questions in the comments below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: What’s Not On My LinkedIn Profile?

    You Ask, I Answer: What's Not On My LinkedIn Profile?

    Ashley and the LinkedIn team ask, “Whatā€™s one thing not on your LinkedIn profile that you want people to know about you?”

    Of course, there are tons of non-work related things like my love of cooking, my inability to sing, etc. but the reason for that is optimizing for the way LinkedIn works. In a series of interviews on the This Week in Machine Learning podcast, LinkedIn’s data scientists have explained in great technical detail how LinkedIn decides what you see. Watch the video for a review of those key concepts.

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    In today’s episode, Ashley asks, what one thing not on your LinkedIn profile that you want people

    to know about you? That’s an interesting question.

    There isn’t much that I isn’t already on there of them. The random hobbies, like for example cooking, or that I’m a terrible singer, or they practice the martial arts, which by the way, if you want to, like hear a really in depth look at some of these things. I did a lot of this in touch about a lot of this in Episode One of the punching out podcast, which you can find on iTunes, Google podcasts, carrier shake, or grown. And Katie, Roberto, or did a whole season of interviews with people in the marketing space about everything except marketing. So it’s like all the hobbies, the music, the stuff that people like the the the after work kinds of like you were just sitting around having dinner with somebody, these are the kinds of things you’d find out. So check that out.

    But I think the question is, to make a fun question, not fun, which is something I do,

    the way LinkedIn algorithm works is there are it takes a look at who your connections are, who their connections, our first, second or third degree connections. And the text that is on your profile, the text is on their profiles, and so on and so forth, in terms of those into what are called vectors, mathematical representations of those profiles. And then there is a the content that you post when you share posts and updates on LinkedIn. All of this goes into a type of networking database called a graph

    network. I was listening to a bunch of episodes of this week and machine learning and AI, which is another great podcast, if you want to get you like super, super technical.

    This is the show to listen to.

    It is for the folks who are building machine learning. But one of the things that was interesting is that they’ve now had, I think, three or four different people from LinkedIn on the show, who explain in great detail how different aspects of the LinkedIn algorithm work. LinkedIn is the only social network that has gone on records. And here’s how our technology works in the back

    end, which has been a terrific for

    technical marketers like me to say, oh, okay, so here’s the things I need to do in order to make my LinkedIn profile more find able

    to understand the algorithm and in more depth to

    understand how people are seeing my content.

    And so that vector ization of your text that you create that you share, is used in matching algorithms, zoos and prediction algorithms for LinkedIn to say, Who should I show your content to

    write so I put up a blog post on LinkedIn or a link or if video or something, and it’s

    about my

    cooking hobby, for example.

    LinkedIn will look at my network. And we’ll look at the people within my network. And it will show that content selectively to people for where there is a a topical match of sorts of we’re predicts, hey,

    Katie would is also interested in cooking and she might

    find benefit

    from this post on LinkedIn.

    Whereas Chris,

    has known as never expressed any interest in and his network has never expressing interest in cooking. So let’s not show this content to Chris.

    And Tom only post look like cooking. So maybe we’ll show Tom one test post, see what happens, see if he engages with it.

    In one in another episode, Romero’s Alice, who is the head

    of LinkedIn AI group said that they do what’s called

    the technical term is multi parameter optimization. And that means that LinkedIn is optimizing for many different objectives,

    one of which is complaints.

    Dr. rozas was saying, this is a metric that we that they look at, to make sure that they’re delivering a high quality experience, which is really cool, which also means that if the algorithm shows something that is so out of touch, so attitude, with what somebody wants, they’ve done actually complain about the second, why am I seeing this kind this post, or, or block this person, those are forms of complaints.

    And so

    when it comes to what you put on LinkedIn,

    when it comes to what you want to share, what you want to talk about what you what other content, other people’s content, you share who you’d had all that matters, because all that is part of the graph algorithm. It’s part of getting your content in front of as many relevant people as possible.

    So

    give real thought to what’s in your LinkedIn profile. What do you want to be found for? That means not just one line job descriptions, but having keywords and phrases and ideas in your LinkedIn profile in your job descriptions,

    in your testimonials, your recommendations,

    what you are endorsed for so those endorsements that that seemed a little bit trivial, our topic indicators. We go on

    a whole the time about hierarchies and ontology and stuff within those topic indicates the endorsements do matter,

    for helping your content gets shown to other people. Because if somebody says, Chris Patten knows about machine learning, and AI

    post about machine learning, and somebody else has an interest in machine learning,

    there’s a much more much clear predictive predictive

    strength to that of they hated I’m going to show Chris’s machine learning post

    of what she’s an authority about machine learning to somebody who’s interested in machine learning who’s posted about it, but may not have it in their profile, and see if they engage with it.

    When you look at the stuff you can add your LinkedIn profile like your testimonials, the gear blog posts, would you publish on the publishing platform, when you post up a new post,

    all of that is relevant. All of that

    helps the graph network side how to make connections and predictions about connections in the people you may know section is a whole

    set of algorithms about

    how is your profile featured and people you may know

    it’s not a monolithic algorithm It is based on all these different factors.

    So

    yes, some of my hobbies and things and not in my, my LinkedIn profile. Why? Because I’m trying to optimize it

    to work with LinkedIn algorithm as best as possible.

    Obviously, staying within the terms of service

    being focused on because it is a professional

    network, the things

    that other people are looking for.

    Think of it is all this content that we share as like SEO for LinkedIn annoyed because LinkedIn is a search engine for people

    instead of what you’re looking for who

    so a very long Not at all, what was intended answer to the question that actually had on what’s not on my LinkedIn profile, I do a lot of a lot of cooking. Enjoy the science of cooking.

    Enjoy the

    science of making social networks work for us and hope some of these tips help you make your LinkedIn profile and the activities you do perform on LinkedIn

    more valuable.

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    and the newsletter. I’ll talk to you soon. What help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Defining Career Moments

    You Ask, I Answer: Defining Career Moments

    Ashley and the LinkedIn team ask, “What is one of the most defining moments in your career and how has it shaped you as a marketer?”

    What a fun question. August 24, 2011 is a date that sticks out in my mind as a day that set me on my path today. Watch the video to find out what was so consequential about that date. This is a series of 3 questions; stay tuned for parts 2 and 3.

    You Ask, I Answer: Defining Career Moments
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    in today’s episode ashley and the team at linkedin ask what is one of the most defining moments in your career and how has it shaped you as a marketer

    if i had to look back over the length of my career and the direction it has been heading over the last 10 years probably one of the defining moments was august 24 2011

    and this is going to get super nerdy but the reason that date sticks out is that is the day that google analytics released assisted conversions and multi channel funnels which is a really big deal in analytics up until that point for the first really 15 years of the web we were all as marketers using last touch attribution what was the last thing somebody did that and we gave credit to that channel that campaign that tactic for generating the business we had no way really of going

    back in time and seeing what’s what else someone did in order to convert in order to, to do something of a meaningful business impact. On that day, Google pushed out its multi channel funnels, which allows you to track not only the last thing somebody did, but all the things somebody did leading up to that conversion, which significantly changed the language that we use as marketers about how people convert about what drives conversion, and what and how much credit should be given to any one given campaign or tactic or method for generating business. This really opening the door in a lot of ways for modern social media marketing, because up until that point, you know, Twitter got released to the public in 2007, Facebook in 2005. And without that assisted conversion tracking.

    We know for most businesses, social media is not the last thing somebody does before

    They make a purchase, right? Because especially if it’s a complex big purchase, not a whole lot of Gulfstream airplanes, or quarter million dollar SaaS software implementations are bought from a tweet.

    Not a ton of vehicles or real estate or bought from a LinkedIn post.

    But these channels,

    and social in general are contributing factors to those conversions by helping us build awareness by helping us build trust by helping us build credibility.

    And so when Google rolled out assisted conversions, because suddenly say, hey, this series of posts I’ve put on LinkedIn really matter because they are part of the path to conversion even, they’re not the last thing that somebody does. And this set the foundation for in my career, what was going to be a major focus from there on out a heavy focus on analytics, a heavy focus on data science, the technology that gives us a

    assisted conversions also gives us path analysis not only what channels were part of a conversion but then how do those channels interact which set the stage really for a couple years later for my first forays into machine learning in 2013 and today and as we’re recording this it’s early 2019 machine learning and artificial intelligence really are now my my specialties within the realm of marketing and marketing data but without that first

    glimpse of light about that there’s more to converge and then the last thing somebody did it would be i would i would say it would be difficult for me to be where i am today because that’s such a simplistic answer even though it’s mostly wrong it’s just such a simplistic answer that none of us i think would have put a whole lot of time or effort into thinking more deeply about all the ways that somebody can convert all the the steps within the customer journey even modern digital customer journey

    mapping the ability for us to, to use data to map out the customer journey in a in a data driven a factual way wouldn’t be possible without technology like assisted conversions and multi channel funnels, it simply would be out of our reach, we will not have that information. Today, we now have tools like Markov chain modeling and gradient boosting and all these fancy machine learning tools that can take that data and exponentially increases value by seeing exactly what works best. This is especially true when we don’t have complete data, but we have enough data to be able to at least begin and fairing mathematical relationships between data points, for example. It is somewhat difficult

    phrase, it’s extremely difficult to get any kind of competitive data out of LinkedIn or out of personal profiles, but you can see the traffic that comes from LinkedIn to your website.

    using multi channel funnels using machine learning using ai you can infer the value of that traffic and really get a sense of this is this is something that i should be doing more of or something i should be doing less of so that moment august 24 2011

    rollout of multi channel funnels really was a defining moment in my career so much so i referenced it in keynote talks that i do when i’m talking about attribution analysis it was a defining moment for me and for the industry overall and it’s one that i’m i’m still surprised when i talked to some marketers and not using even the basic built in feature in google analytics much less what you can do with that data but at least it’s there at least it’s available to all of us and and for those folks who have embraced it hopefully it has helped your career grow as well as always please leave comments in the comment box below this is actually going to be a three part series of questions that ashley and the linkedin team have about career defining things so

    Stay tuned for parts two and three coming soon.

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