Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

Category: Marketing automation

You Ask, I Answer: Automation In a Recession?
Ann asks, “In the “great recession” is finding ways to automate process and free up time find efficiencies the biggest challenge for agency managers and leads?”

You Ask, I Answer: Automation In a Recession?
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Christopher Penn 0:13

In today’s episode and asks in the Great Recession is finding ways to automate processes and free up time finding efficiencies, the biggest challenge for emergency managers and leads? Well, the great recession technically was 2008 to 2011.

But I assume you mean, the impending recession that a lot of people are talking about? It depends, it depends on what’s wrong.

If you are a small shop that’s already lean and mean, automation might not be a huge game changer for you, it might not be a big change in your efficiency.

On the other hand, it might be if you are an incredibly inefficient agency, right? If you’re doing everything by hand, the answer will always vary based on where you are, where you where your strengths and weaknesses are.

That said, larger organizations tend to have more opportunity for efficiencies, tend to have more opportunity for process documentation for improvement for automation.

At the last agency I worked at which was a decently sized agency like 300 people, by the time I left, there were 100% jobs, entire jobs that could have been replaced.

One of the most junior Jobs was account coordinator.

Remember this, this person was copying and pasting, Google search results into a spreadsheet, eight hours a day, I don’t know how this person didn’t just claw their own eyeballs out or bring a pickaxe to work, because that’s just soul deadening.

Work.

And 100% can be done by machine, right, you could free up that person’s eight hours a day to have them doing something more valuable than copying and pasting.

If your agency doesn’t have any automation, right now, there’s a very good chance, there are some opportunities, some easy things you can do to find those efficiencies.

But as with everything there are, there are diminishing returns, right after you’ve automated way all the easy stuff.

The next most difficult things tend to be more time consuming to automate, it takes longer to automate things, it takes more skill, better tools to do that kind of automation.

So copy pasting chores, right, you can automate that today.

And that would see a huge, huge win a huge time saver.

Transcription of meetings.

Easy one, right? Transcription of client calls super easy.

Automating the templates for your reporting, putting them in something like Google Data Studio, where it’s not only automated, but it is real time.

So the clients happier, easy win.

But then once you’ve solved all these stuff, then you have to start saying okay, what is the opportunity cost of automating something versus some innovation, some r&d, or some new business building? It all depends, it depends on your challenges as an agency.

That said, if you know you’re going into a recession, if you know that a recession is imminent, freeing up time is a good idea.

And then taking that time and devoting it to the generation of new business to sales to selling more stuff is the way through, because in almost every economic downturn, the same advice holds true.

Whether it’s, you know, the 1800s or whether it’s today, cash is king, cash flow is king.

If you have more money coming in, then you have going out, you’re doing okay, if you have less money coming in and is going out, you are inevitably eventually doomed, right? It may not be today, it may not be next week, but eventually, you’re going out of business.

So if you can find ways to reduce wasteful overhead to keep the amount of money going out smaller, and you can find ways of bringing in more money in the door on a cash flow basis.

You will, you will weather the recession better than most right.

Where recessions get people is always when you flip the table and suddenly you have less cash coming in.

You have less less cash coming in.

And you have not done a good enough job optimizing the cash going out and your business runs into trouble.

You personally run into trouble right? If you’re spending more than you’re earning as a person as a household as a company.

Christopher Penn 4:58

Eventually you run out of runway eventually you run out of room.

And that’s when that’s when the real problems begin.

So, if you can tighten up, find those efficiencies, reduce your spends, and increase your revenues.

You’ll be well positioned for the Great Recession and automation may well be part of that.

But do some self awareness, do some checks to figure out where you are, and what you think the things are that you could automate away fairly easily.

There will be a few things, do those sooner rather than later? And then really take a hard look at your cash flow.

Good question.

Thanks for asking.

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September 13, 2022
You Ask, I Answer: Google Analytics 4 and Lead Scoring?
Marcio asks, “Can you connect data from Google Analytics 4 into a lead scoring model via marketing automation?”

You Ask, I Answer: Google Analytics 4 and Lead Scoring?
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In today’s episode, Marcio asks, Can you connect data from Google Analytics 4 into a lead scoring model via marketing automation? Well, the answer to this question depends on what marketing automation software you’re using.

And whether or not it integrates with Google Analytics 4 or not.

Google Analytics 4 is essentially Firebase.

So if you’ve got a marketing automation system that in the past has integrated with Firebase, chances are, it’s going to integrate just fine with Google Analytics 4.

If you’ve had a marketing automation system as integrated with the previous version of Google Analytics, Google Analytics three or Universal analytics, then I would check with the vendor and ask, Hey, is this something that’s going to be supported? Are you going to to offer support for Google Analytics? 4? If the answer is yes, then hopefully, you’ll get the integration sooner rather than later, since there is a deadline of July 1 2023, for everybody and move to Google Analytics 4.

And hopefully, this vendor will do so sooner rather than later.

If you would like to get started doing this today, then check your marketing automation systems back end, and its API’s to see if it can talk to a Google BigQuery database.

So one of the features in Google Analytics 4, that is pretty killer, is the ability for the software to write its raw data to a BigQuery database.

Now, BigQuery is one of Google’s cloud database systems, it is not free, there is a cost to use it, it’s pay as you go.

And for small websites, you know, 1015 20,000 visitors a month, you’re going to spend maybe like $1$ 2, maybe $5 a month on storage usage.

If you’ve got a site, where you’re talking millions of visitors a month, the costs are gonna rack up faster.

But what BigQuery allows you to do is see all of your raw, unedited, unchanged Google Analytics data in a big, really big table.

And so if your marketing automation system is able to ingest data from BigQuery, then there’s a very good chance that you’ll be able to bond the two together.

So you will tell Google Analytics 4 Yes, write my data to this BigQuery database.

And then you’ll tell your marketing automation software, connect to that BigQuery database, and pull the data out into your marketing automation software, one of the pieces that you’re going to need to do is turn on and link up user ID.

So in your marketing automation software, you will have your prospect IDs, your lead IDs.

And you will need to connect that to Google Analytics 4 to say, Okay, here’s where we’re getting these identifiable IDs, so that that data makes it into BigQuery.

That way you can match up known identified leads from your marketing automation software with their activities in Google Analytics 4 and bond that together, you buy those tables.

So it’s not a super easy, you know, one button and you’re done, kind of thing.

But it is possible to do today, as long as your system supports it.

Check with your vendor.

There’s a obviously very good chance that the major marketing automation software packages, either already do support Google Analytics 4 integration, or are going to be announcing support for it relatively soon, ever since Google’s big announcement.

And they obviously don’t want to be left behind.

With a lot of what existing packages do on the market today, they will look for Google Analytics tracking codes, the UTM tracking codes and bring those directly into the marketing automation software.

For example, Marketo does Hubspot does this part does this, where those UTM tracking codes can go in.

So if you’re sending out at least campaign based stuff, like emails or tagged social posts and stuff, you’ll have those UTM tracking codes embedded directly into your marketing automation software.

And UTM tracking codes function the same, mostly between Google Analytics three, Google Analytics 4.

The major difference as of right now is that the term and content tags, I believe, don’t work yet.

In Google Analytics 4, not as built in UTM tracking codes.

Its source medium and campaign is what’s supported in the interface.

Now that said, it can Google Analytics, 4 can see those other codes but they won’t show up in the interface.

It’s only source, medium and campaign.

So that’s the circuitous answer to This question it’s not one button but it is possible today and it will probably be more possible in the near future thanks for asking

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March 21, 2022
Google Analytics 4 or Bust: Lessons from Google Marketing Live 2021
At the recent Google Marketing Platform’s Google Marketing Livestream virtual event, Google previewed a bunch of changes coming to the platform as a whole, but some of the features that most stood out were:
- Customer Match: the ability to encrypt and upload your customer data lists for ad targeting purposes – will be open to everyone, not just the big spenders in Google Ads. This makes logical sense; Google controls the ad network and has identity resolution capabilities, so they don’t need cookies to know who consumers are and what ads to show consumers.
- Consented Tracking: Google Analytics 4 and Google Tag Manager now offer consent options – aka “can we track you” popups and utilities to comply with new privacy laws. These features are available right now, so if you need them for compliance, go turn them on.
- Inferred Data: Google Ads and Google Analytics 4 will both have machine learning-powered imputation abilities to “fill in the blanks” when dealing with anonymous data that’s missing pieces, typically because someone didn’t opt-in to tracking. Google touted this especially as a solution for understanding Google Ads conversions better, but some of that behavioral imputation will be available in Google Analytics 4 in late 2021.
- Attribution Modeling: Google showed off new attribution modeling capabilities coming to both Google Ads and Google Analytics 4. It was something of a sore point that GA4 didn’t ship with any kind of reasonable attribution modeling, but it looks like it might be worth the wait; GA4 will reportedly have both standard data-driven attribution as well as incrementality modeling built in.
- Media Lift: Google Analytics 4 and Google Ads will inherit some of the Adometry modeling to incorporate the lift effects of both YouTube and Google Display Ads.
- Demand Forecasting: Google Ads will offer 90-day demand forecasting for popular, relevant topics for your ads, so you know what to watch for bid pricing and ad copy. I’m especially looking forward to this feature to see what kind of flexibility it offers and how we might be able to use it for other purposes.
- Google Ads Broad Match: using its natural language processing models like BERT and LaMDA, Google Ads’ broad match – which used to be the fastest way to waste your entire ad budget – will use those language models to deliver more relevant broad matches. Candidly, I’m surprised it took them this long to roll this out; it should be a substantial performance improvement.
- Imputation Blackouts: Google Ads and Google Analytics 4 will offer you the ability to declare time periods as anomalies in your data so they’re not factored into your machine learning models that power your data. That will clean up data-driven attribution as well as ad performance. When would you need something like this? When you do things like forget to put tracking codes on your site or other breaking changes to your analytics infrastructure.
- Incrementality Modeling: In addition to attribution modeling, incrementality modeling will let us understand the baseline of our marketing performance as well as the incremental effects of specific campaigns or efforts in Google Analytics 4 and Google Ads.
- Tighter Google Ads and Google Analytics 4 Integration: One of the demonstrated features was the new Advertising Performance center in Google Analytics 4 that will let advertisers run more detailed analysis on Google Ads performance than is currently possible in Google Ads. This continues the trend of Google positioning Google Analytics 4 as a BI tool and not a reporting engine.
Do you see the theme weaving its way through all the announcements at the event?

Google Analytics 4 is mentioned everywhere. Universal Analytics – Google Analytics 3 – was barely mentioned at all, except when announcing a new feature in GA4 that had been ported over. Google made it painfully clear that no new development is occurring on Google Analytics 3 and if we want ANY of the new features and capabilities, we MUST be running Google Analytics 4. Google’s migration strategy isn’t “we’re going to turn this old thing off” so much as it is “we’re going to put all the shiny new toys in the latest thing so you HAVE to use it”.

In one of the breakout sessions, Googlers reiterated the guidance we’ve been giving customers for more than 6 months now – turn on GA4 today, set it up, start collecting data right now even while you continue to use GA3. If you haven’t already set up GA4, now is the time. Like, today. Get it done. If you don’t want to, then have someone do it for you, but getting it in place and collecting data is a necessity if you ever want to have access to its machine learning features for dealing with missing data and upcoming privacy laws. The sooner you get it running, the more data you’ll have provided it for training when it comes time to use it as your main analytics solution.

Lots of changes are coming to marketing next year as Chrome turns off third-party cookies. Chrome has 64% of the browser market share, with Firefox and Safari (who already don’t support third-party cookies) combined being 22%. All together, 86% of the browser market will stop supporting third-party cookies next year, so the clock is ticking for all of us to implement marketing technology solutions that eliminate our dependence on third-party cookies and ad tracking. If you use any part of the Google Marketing Platform, make the necessary changes now, while you have time and space to think carefully about it and do it right.

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May 28, 2021
How to Think About Gating or Not Gating Content
There’s an endless debate in marketing – B2B marketing especially – about whether you should gate content or not. Let’s review some of the arguments for and against.

In Favor of Gating

Gating content, on the surface, makes logical sense. You as the marketer are providing a trade – information for information. It’s a barter.

With the many changes and restrictions to what data marketers have access to, gating is one of the few ways you can get first-party information from your audience; no laws on the books restrict the amount of information someone volunteers to you.

Against Gating

The argument against gating is one of reach – ungated content is shared more easily, its value is apparent, and advocates against gating suggest that the reputational benefits of ungated content far outweigh the lead acquisition data.

Those advocates against gating also point to the fact that just because someone fills out a form to download something, it does not indicate purchase intent; by ungating content, the leads you get from standard contact forms show actual purchase intent.

Opinion: It’s Not Binary

I don’t think either position is absolute. The question we’re asking is what the value of our content marketing is, and the benchmark I refer to is Jay Baer’s from his book Youtility: is your content good enough that someone would pay for it?

Gating content is essentially a transaction. It’s an alternate sale, a trade of information in which you are selling content value and the audience member is selling their information.

So value is part of the equation. So is intent. Content that inherently serves us first is different than content that serves someone else first. An extensively-researched paper that delivers substantial value to the audience is something that, in Jay’s Youtility model, would indeed be worth paying for.

Here’s how I tend to think about whether to gate or not:

Content that serves me first but is valuable, I won’t gate. This is stuff like case studies, where there’s clearly an obvious self-serving angle to it. That stuff I want to have available to anyone who wants it.

Content that serves others first but is less valuable – like this blog post – I also won’t gate. Frankly, it’s too much effort on my part. That’s not to say my blog isn’t valuable, but it’s one of those things where the return isn’t worth the effort.

Content that serves me first and isn’t valuable I just don’t publish. I’ve got a long pile of half-baked content in my various notebooks that will never see the light of day until it graduates to one of the other categories.

Finally, content that services others first and is more valuable – like the aforementioned intensive research paper that I would feel comfortable asking someone to pay for – is something I’ll gate.

Every brand, every person has to figure out their own criteria for whether to gate content or not – or even whether to charge money for it. I charge money, for example, for my books. The takeaway is to have some kind of process, some kind of decision-making mechanism so that you’re consistent in what you choose to gate or not gate.

Here’s an easy bench test: for the content in question, could you reasonably get someone to pay for it? If so, it’s worth gating.

Would you struggle to get someone to give you even a dollar for it, like a case study? I wouldn’t pay a cent for someone else’s promotional case study. No money? No gate.

There isn’t a right or wrong answer; every audience is different. What you’ll need to do is determine what works best for your audience and your own interests. Find that delicate balance that allows you to accomplish both objectives reasonably well.

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May 3, 2021
Marketing Data Science: KPIs Are Notification Thresholds
I was watching a session from the R Studio Global Conference recently, on dashboards and dashboard fatigue, and this quote from Sean Lopp really stood out to me and changed my thinking about KPIs (key performance indicators) and how we use them:

“KPIs are notification thresholds.”

In retrospect, this should have been obvious to me, but I’d never thought about KPIs that way, and Sean’s statement really reframed the KPI. Let’s explore why.

The Traditional Role of KPIs

In marketing at least, KPIs serve mainly as headlines on things like dashboards and reports. These are the big numbers at the top of the report, the focus of the executive summary, the numbers we dedicate the most charts, graphs, and tables to:

And yet… in the context of the reporting we do, if these numbers are so key to our performance, why do we only look at them infrequently? Why are they the focus of just the weekly or monthly or quarterly report?

Even if we have our dashboards set up as the home page of our browsers (you do, for mission-critical data, yes?), this is still a passive use of the data. It becomes so familiar to us that we don’t really look carefully at our KPIs after a while.

How do we fix this, so that we make better use of our data?

KPIs Are Notification Thresholds

Sean’s quote gives us the insight we need to make our data valuable and actionable. A KPIs is – or should be – a notification threshold. What does that mean? When our KPIs go above or below a certain number, we should know about it and take action on it. On the back end, in our systems, in our code, we should have processes in place that signal when a KPI goes above or below a certain boundary, a certain range.

For example, look at my search traffic from Google Search Console:

By itself, this data doesn’t really do anything, does it? It’s just kind of… there. And I see days where things were good and days where things weren’t good. How would we turn this into something more action-oriented?

Let’s slap a very basic set of boundaries on this data, an upper and lower threshold, shown by the green box here:

Days when my search traffic is outside of the green box are days when there are anomalies – either search traffic was unusually low or high. That’s important – why did that happen? What were the search terms on those days when things didn’t work or worked really well? Having that information – and sooner than the end of the month or the quarter – would help me determine if something was going on with my content.

That’s where the notification threshold idea comes into play. You can see in the box above that the days ouside of the green box aren’t singular events. They’re multi-day events, so a notification even the next day that something’s up would be valuable and actionable.

What we mean by a notification threshold is that I’d want some software to notify me that something’s up. I’d want it to send an email or a text or a Slack message or heck, a singing telegram, to let me know that I need to go look at my data as the anomaly is happening. In the case of search performance, if Google’s algorithm suddenly changed, I’d want to know, for good or ill.

Here’s an even more basic example, but one I’ve seen time and again in Google Analytics:

You see the issue? it’s right in the middle of the chart – four days of missing data where the website’s Google Analytics reported essentially zero traffic. Why? This happens an awful lot in marketing when we do things like website updates/changes and we accidentally delete our Google Analytics tracking code… and then don’t discover the issue until the next reporting period and we have a serious gap in our data.

If the site owner had constructed a system for notifications, they would have known after a single day instead of 4 days that they’d blown up their Google Analytics installation and been able to fix it. Instead, they have to contend with 4 days of missing data, which hosed their month-over-month and year-over-year reports for a full calendar year.

Next Steps

So, how do we move forward? First, we should determine if there’s a problem. If your dashboarding software has usage analytics, dig into them. Most good dashboarding software either has built-in usage data, or allows you to install Google Analytics on it. Check your dashboard usage. If no one’s using your dashboards (or far fewer than should be) then you know you have an analytics usage problem. People aren’t using data to make decisions.

Second, work with your technical folks, be they in-house staff, contractors, or agencies, to build a real notifications system and have it send out alerts only when KPIs deviate from their norms. We don’t want to get daily notices of normal, business as usual activity. We only want to be pinged when we need to take action, when we need to look at something unusual, otherwise we’ll ignore the notifications.

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March 1, 2021
Assessing a Marketing Automation Problem
Jim wrote in, "Hi Christopher – our question is about Twitter mainly. Our organization name is related to the name of many local, unaffiliated organizations. We’ve distinguished ourselves by adding "national" in front of our name, but every day, many times a day, people confuse and tag us in tweets about one or more of the unrelated local organizations. The tweets are sometimes positive and sometimes negative. Our question is whether we should take steps to address that or just let it continue? I thought about setting up an automation that thanks everyone who tags us and encouraging them to check us out online. What would you do?"

A few things are important to determine here when it comes to assessing a marketing automation problem. First, how important is the marketing automation problem? How does Twitter fit in overall with your strategy? Before you go designing a system of some kind to deal with the problem, you should establish just how important Twitter is to your marketing. For example, when I look at the overall contributors to conversions on my site for all of calendar year 2020, this is what I see:

Twitter is the #4 source of conversions for me, accounting for almost 79 conversions, and so if this were your site, would you want to give up about 2% of your conversions? Probably not, so you’d want to pursue this line of inquiry. On the other hand, if Twitter didn’t make it to the top 25 converting sources for your site in 2020, then I’d say you probably have a relatively low risk problem.

So, assessing your overall marketing risk is the first step. The second step is, how big is the marketing automation problem? Do these tags happen once a day? Multiple times per day? Five times an hour? The more frequent the problem, the more it might make sense to automate something. Also take into account how much effort it is to solve the problem currently. Is it 10 seconds per reply for someone to respond? Is it 10 minutes? A problem that occurs once a day but takes seconds to respond to is a minor nuisance that might not be worth solving. A problem that occurs once an hour and consumes 10 minutes of that hour is a major productivity drain.

Third, how complex is the marketing automation problem? Does the same response work for the vast majority of situations? Would giving a fully automated answer cause substantial reputational risk? If the answer is no, then definitely automate it away. If the responses you give have to be complex and well-thought out, with substantial reputational risk if you mess it up, then you probably can’t automate it away. Screwing up a sensitive response that could explode isn’t worth automating.

Marketing Automation Solutions

So, given these three assessments, if I were tackling this marketing automation problem, I’d see one of a couple solutions. First, if it’s something that can’t be automated, that has to be manual, I’d look at either training someone internally in my organization to handle it or outsourcing it. There are tons of companies and contractors around the world that are available to deal with this exact problem, appropriate for every budget level.

Second, if it’s something that could be automated, I’d look at what’s available in the marketplace. Again, tons of companies have social media monitoring and automation solutions, so if there’s one that deals with this exact problem – essentially a Twitter version of an out of office reply – I’d slot that in. If there was no appropriate vendor, or the cost of the software outweighed the value, I’d probably write my own software and run it on one of my servers. Twitter’s API is relatively easy to work with and is very robust in what it allows you to do.

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January 6, 2021
You Ask, I Answer: Best Landing Page Platforms?
Chavie asks, “I’m creating a landing page for a client who has a website but a really wonky one, and they don’t want to use the LP long term- is there a platform that would let them pay per month and then stop paying when it’s no longer live? What are the best planding page platforms?”

I understand that in some cases, landing page tools are used by marketers who don’t have access to the website, but for those marketers who do, there’s little reason to use a separate landing page tool. If you do use one, use one integrated with your marketing automation software and supports all your tagging and tracking needs.

You Ask, I Answer: Best Landing Page Platforms?
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In today’s episode, Xabi asks, I’m creating a landing page for a client who has a website, but it really walk you want.

They don’t want to use the landing page long term.

Is there a platform that would let them pay per month and then stop paying when it’s no longer live? What are the best landing page platforms? Okay, so I understand in some cases, landing page tools are used by marketers who don’t have access to the website or don’t have timely access to the website where you can post stuff up, but you have to go through it and submit a ticket and it takes several months to get something up and running.

But if you do have access to the website, and it’s functional, there’s little reason to use a landing page tool especially if you have to pay for it.

One of the curses of marketing technology currently is the fact that there are over 8000 different vendors in the marketing technology space, many of them Do the same things, all of them, at some point cost you extra money, and a lot of the functionality that all these various tools offer is built into probably some of the tools you already have.

Now, they may not be optimal, but they may be good enough and in a period of time, like we are in now where every dollar in your budget matters, it may not be cost effective to run a completely separate tool that you then have to administer and track and all that stuff.

If you do use a landing page tool, try as best as you can to use one that is integrated with your marketing automation software.

So if you’re using, you know, Eloqua or Marketo, or Salesforce, Marketing Cloud, or Hubspot, or Mautic, any of these tools that are robust marketing automation tools, offer landing page support, and you can build a landing page in them and as a bonus, you then don’t have to Try and get data out of your landing page tool and send it to your CRM because as long as your marketing automation software is configured correctly, it should already do that.

The big question to ask is, for landing page tools in particular does support all your tagging and tracking.

There are a lot of tools that support things like Google Tag Manager and Google Analytics, but don’t necessarily support them all that well.

They can fire incorrectly, they can have conflicting extensions, things like that.

So make sure that whatever landing page tool you do select is robustly supporting your analytics.

Which brings me to a really important point a lot of landing page tools either operate on their own sub domain, or have you configure a separate sub domain and that can really screw up your analytics.

If you are not having if they are not set up properly, especially If it is something that’s cross domain, so for example, like, you know your company landing page tool.com as an example, as opposed to your company comm if you’re running Google Analytics at that point, you now have to set up cross domain support, you need to input cross domain tracking and configure Google Analytics in a way that it recognizes part of this other landing page tool as part of your website.

This is one of the reasons for example, why I don’t use landing page tools at all on my website I use.

I use WordPress for my personal website, I use WordPress for the TrustInsights.ai website.

And we build all of our landing landing pages right inside of WordPress, expressively to avoid the complications of multiple cross domains and subdomains and all that stuff and just the tracking mess.

It makes having cookies crossing domains, it’s much easier to have everything within just your own website.

And depending on the CMS, you’re using that shouldn’t be that overly complex.

It also means that you don’t need to pay extra for landing pages and if a landing page is has served its purpose you don’t necessarily need to rush into delete it, you can you can delete it up there and go clean up once a quarter or whatever, remove old landing pages and redirect them.

So which landing page tools the best, again, to the extent that you can use ones that integrated with your marketing automation platform now if you don’t have a marketing automation platform as a company, you might want to think about getting one because it offers a lot of functionality in addition to the landing page tool that will serve you very well for collecting data for cleaning it for maintaining it for offering things like user preferences, and for robust analytics and tracking.

If you are a small business and you are technically skilled, but budget poor I strongly recommend Mautic the open source marketing automation tool, it is very good, it is very robust.

It is technically complex to install and operate because you basically are running it on your own server.

But the costs then are just the cost of your server.

And when you consider that a lot of marketing automation software starts on 500 bucks a month and running your own server as you know on a VM somewhere is like five bucks a month.

That’s a pretty considerable cost savings.

It’s something worth worth exploring and thinking about.

If you’re not going to go that route, then you know there’s there again are tons and tons of different services out there.

There’s like LeadPages, and Infusionsoft and all these different companies.

It comes down to does the tool support your own domain right so like landing pages dot your company comm because that’s important, as opposed to, you know your company that landing pages.com does support fully every form analytics you want to use, including Google Tag Manager, Tag Manager support I view is mandatory.

And does it integrate with your CRM, that’s a big, big heavy piece because if it doesn’t, you have a an awful lot of extra maintenance and extra unnecessary processes, unless you’re doing you know, data cleaning and transformation of your data before it goes into CRM.

So that’s what I would suggest.

Stick with your website if you can stick with your marketing automation software, if you can’t stick with the website, and then explore the different vendors if neither of those two are an option.

That’s it.

If if you’re at a place where you know you’re not allowed to access the website, and your marketing automation software sucks, it might be time to make some changes to marketing and if you can’t understand that that company has a handicap compared to its competitors, right? It is a technological and martec handicap compared to its competitors that will catch up with it, particularly when times get a little tough like they are now.

And the company lacks the agility of its competitors to be able to change solutions quickly to be able to implement new solutions quickly, to be able to change on the fly.

Bear that in mind martech skills and agility and competence are part and parcel of what’s essential for a company to survive when times get rough, to be able to adapt to new circumstances very, very quickly.

And if you’re patching up your existing infrastructure problems with things like a landing page tool, an email list clean tool, this tool that tool and you have this buffet of 100 different martech vendors.

It’s a good sign that your Mar tech is not under control and you need to pause, do some governance and and clean things up and come up with an actual Mar tech strategy.

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August 5, 2020
You Ask, I Answer: Mass Connection Requests on LinkedIn?
Darlene asks, “I’m getting lots of connection request sales pitches on LinkedIn. Does this spray and pray technique actually work?”

Yes and no. It works in the short term, but is deleterious in the long term. It’s a favorite tactic to be automated, which means your account is at high risk of being banned. What works better?

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In today’s episode Darlene asks, I’m getting lots of connection requests sales pitches on LinkedIn, does this spray and pray technique actually work.

I’m getting them to several dozen a day and at least they say up front as a sales pitch.

So I can decline the request which is handy rather than being that person that sends you the connection request and then the moment you hit Connect, you get what we jokingly call a pitch slap.

We immediately get a sales pitch and you have to go and unfollow the person and report them as a spammer etc.

Does the technique work? Yes and no.

Any automation any of these mass spray and pray tactics does work in the beginning in the short term, but two things tend to happen one if you’re using your own personal account, it tends to incur things like bands and having your account cancelled, etc.

Because you’re breaking the terms of service.

And that’s absolutely linked ins prerogative to do.

And to.

Even if that wasn’t the case, you’re only going to sort of get the lowest common denominator sorts of connections from that style of technique because there’s, in every market there’s there’s a curve of demand, right? There’s the people who need something right now, there are people who are looking for something.

There are people who have a problem that they don’t know was a problem yet.

And then there are people for whom the problem does not exist.

And when you’re doing spray and pray anything, spray and pray email tweets, LinkedIn connection request, whoever you really only going to scrape that very first bucket People who are so desperate that they’ll latch on to anything, those tend not to be the best customers either.

Because depending on what you’re selling, and how much commitment it takes to dissolve that thing.

Those folks are not necessarily the world’s best planners or folks who are interested in a long term professional relationship.

And you absolutely can make a market out of doing service to just the most desperate.

But again, that comes with a whole bucket problems, those are customers that tend not to pay their bills on time, among other things, as opposed to investing much more heavily over the long term in professional relationships, so that you work your way up the demand curve.

The challenge again for a lot of businesses is that if you are on the the end of demand curve, just desperate people, anyone will do to solve their problem, which also means that any competitor will do.

And the moment that that person who has bought your service finds that they’re interested in say, lower costs, etc, they will drop you like a hot potato as you work your way up the demand curve into more and more relationship based things, where the problem is not obvious where the problem may not be known, but you will have a you have built a reputation as a trusted advisor.

It’s harder to dislodge you.

It’s not impossible.

There are certainly plenty of companies that will say like, yep, we had some budget cuts and this is what we can do.

But generally speaking, that relationship will carry you much further.

It requires a longer investment.

It requires You know, sometimes months, maybe even years to build those relationships, but once you have them, then they tend to be something that can be sustained over the long term.

So should you go and automate things on LinkedIn? No, not really.

Again, there are there are bots, there are, you know, pieces of software you can buy that they can run automated.

They are relatively easy for LinkedIn to detect and then ban your account because of their automated nature.

And I’ve looked at a number of them.

I’ve looked at how they work.

They are very naive.

They do not understand how the LinkedIn algorithms work.

If you read any of Lincoln’s patents and things, they are very good about doing pattern matching.

And, again, you get a very low quality audience.

If you spend your time instead on things like effective content, marketing, on LinkedIn, connecting with people that you want to build a professional relationship with.

using other sources of data to build your LinkedIn network is a real simple one is asking people to connect with you on LinkedIn in things like email newsletters and stuff that you do or in your YouTube videos, or whatever the case may be.

Anything where you’re going to build on that relationship, and you’re going to have no expectations from that relationship for a long time.

Again, measured in years.

This is why a lot of sales folks still refer to things like the golden Rolodex, which is your book of business, your your collection of professional contacts that are meaningful contacts that people that will return your calls, if you call them and vice versa.

And it takes years or decades to build that up.

So get started.

If you don’t have one get started soon.

invest in people for who they are.

Because people will change job roles all the time and a person who was a bigwig at one company, maybe not so much in another company, but that person if they are somebody you are legitimately invested in as a human being, will tend to move around over their career, and may again be in a position where they can be of benefit to you and vice versa.

That’s the the, it’s not easy.

But that’s the simplest way to use LinkedIn is just invest in people that you actually want to be connected with that you would actually want to sit down for a cup of coffee with virtually, or beer virtually, these days.

And spend some time with so don’t don’t automate things.

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August 4, 2020
You Ask, I Answer: Statistical Significance in A/B Testing?
Wanda asks, “How do I know if my A/B test is statistically significant?”

Statistical significance requires understanding two important things: first, is there a difference that’s meaningful (as opposed to random noise) in your results, and second, is your result set large enough? Watch the video for a short walkthrough.

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In today’s episode, Wanda asks, How do I know if my AB test is statistically significant? This is a very good very common question, particularly with things like web page optimization, and email marketing and even social media marketing.

What happens is we’ll get results back in fact, let’s do this.

Let’s, let’s show you an example here.

This is an AB test I did yesterday.

And what we see here is I sent out an email to different subject lines, subject line a was eight steps to improving your LinkedIn profile and B was a question is your LinkedIn profile working working for you? And we see in my marketing automation software here, this a here has been marked as a winner right? Let’s look at the stats.

When we look at the stats, we see a was sent to 330 9000 574 people B was sent to 39,573 people.

So far so good.

A got 3990 opens, which is what I was measuring on B got 3873 opens.

So A is the winner, or is it? To answer Wanda’s question.

This is a very common scenario.

What we need to do is we need to do some statistical testing we needed to do what is called a proportion test versus a two sided test.

And then we need to do a power test to figure out whether our sample here is large enough.

Some basic stats, what we’re talking about these statistical significant tests, significance tests, what we’re talking about is is there enough of a difference between a and b, that it could not have happened randomly? It could not have happened by chance.

You know, is there a difference enough in the audience that you could measure it and say, yeah, this is not chance this did not happen by accident was a real impact.

Or could this have been noise is there enough of a difference that that’s so small that it could have been random.

And that’s really what we want to find out.

Because if we want to make a judgement about his subject line A or B better, we need to know if a, in this case, which is the winner, really actually one was luck of the draw.

To do this, there are a number of different ways that you can tackle this in every math and stats program available, I’m going to use the programming language are here.

Again, there’s there’s even web calculators for some of the stuff I just like to do, because it’s super compact.

I have my a population, which is the number of people sent it to and the number of opens that a got.

I got my B population here and the conversions and I’m going to run that proportion test.

What I’m Looking for is this number right here, the p value, a p value of under 0.05 means that there’s a difference.

There’s a big enough difference between the two, that, gosh, something has happened that is meaningful.

Here.

It’s above point 05.

It’s at point 164.

So there, these two audiences maybe have behaved the same, which means that a didn’t necessarily win.

Now, just to show you an example, what if I take B down to 3400 conversions? Right? If I do that exact same test, and run it, we see that the p value shrinks to an infinitesimally small number, ie minus 10.

Right? That’s a you know 10 zeros before the decimal.

That is a clear difference that the the result was not random luck, but when in doubt, crank up B to 3900 make us super close, right? Watch what happens.

Point 851, that that P value has gone up even higher.

And so just with this very simple mathematical test, we can determine that in this case.

The the test itself was not statistically significant.

Now, here’s the other catch.

One of the things that goes wrong with a lot of AV tests, particularly with social media marketing, is that there’s not enough of a result to know.

So in this test, we see here about 10% of people opened the email in each in each category.

Is that big enough? Is that a meaningfully large enough size of the audience to tell.

To do this, we’re going to run this power test.

And the power test says that out of 3900 people in order to achieve a minor measurable effect of some kind, I would need to have at least 200 People take action, which is that n two number there.

If I did this test and you know 39 people clicked on a and 38 people clicked on B, would that be enough to judge whether there was a winner? The answer is no, because there’s not enough people who have been sampled to give that determination.

I need to I need to have at least, you know, call 200 rounded up 200 people in order to know Yes, this is a real significant value.

This is really important, because why don’t we talk a lot about you know, smaller population, smaller populations need bigger samples.

So let’s say that I want to talk about the fortune 500 how many people know how many CEOs in the fortune 500? Do I need to survey in order to get a meaningful result? 322 of them, right, because it’s such a small population, that there’s a variation.

That could be another variation and just a few people to really throw things so in this case, I would have to survey basically 60% of this very small population to know, yep, there’s a real thing here, the larger the population gets, assuming it’s, you know, well sampled, the smaller my sample size needs to be with regard to that population in order to get a statistically meaningful result.

Because again, that could be small variations in a very small population that could have a really big changes, as opposed to a bigger population, where you’re going to have more of a evenly distributed result.

My friend Tom Webster likes to call this like soup, right in a large population.

If the POTUS stirred well enough, a spoonful can tell you all he needs to know about the soup, but if you’ve got like a gumbo or a stew, you know once we want to have like a huge chunk of beef and then the like you would draw the conclusion this pot is full of beef.

Well, no, it’s not just happen to have a very lumpy sample there.

And so because it’s smaller, that those lumps could could be more confusing.

So the composition of the entire soup pot.

So these are the two tests you need to run.

And again, there are plenty of web calculators out there that do this stuff.

The challenge is here, a lot of them don’t do the second part, they don’t do the power test to determine whether your sample was big enough in the first place, they just do the first part.

So know that.

And in this case, if you can use the programming language, or SPSS or SAS or Stata, or any of these stats tools, do so because you will get better answers out of them as long as you can know what you’re interpreting.

But that’s how you know if your test is statistically significant, it’s big enough sample and meaningful enough difference.

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July 29, 2020
You Ask, I Answer: Prioritizing Your MarTech Stack?
Ted asks, “How do you prioritize building an organization’s MarTech stack? How do you build a foundation that you can add to over time?”

One of the biggest pieces is going to be your database environment, followed by your overall tech platform. Many companies have a major tech provider, and that puts some constraints on what you have. Follow that with a thorough analysis of your marketing ops funnel and identify where your biggest gaps are.

Look for partners with strong interoperability and data interchange. That’s the ultimate key to a strong stack. Vendors will spend a lot of time trying to lock you in.

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In today’s episode, Ted asks, How do you prioritize building an organization’s Mar tech stack? How do you build a foundation that you can add to overtime? So really good question.

The biggest challenge for a lot of companies when they’re building out their marketing technology stack is dealing with constraints that they have, particularly in their environment.

So most companies have a major tech provider of some kind, you know, you’ll hear people say like, this is a Microsoft shop, a dotnet shop or Google shop.

And that major technology provider can provide some guidance but also some constraints on what you can and can’t have.

That’s not to say that, you know, marketing can’t work with multiple platforms.

certainly plenty of organizations do but to increase the collaboration, to reduce the headaches that come along with compliance and audits, you It is generally a good idea to be aligned with whatever your company’s major tech provider is, especially if your industry is a more highly regulated industry, you may not even get a choice, right? If you are 100%, Microsoft shop, you may be using Microsoft Dynamics as your CRM, even if Salesforce is considered the gold standard in your industry, the CIO, the platform and the environment provides one major constraint.

The thing that to do next after that is to do a thorough analysis of your marketing operations funnel.

If you remember, customer journeys are how we look at essentially marketing to consumers, whether they’re b2b or b2c.

But from an operational perspective, we still have a funnel, we still have to have a funnel because you can’t just have people working on things willy nilly.

You do have to have some sense of order.

So you want to do an audit of your office.

Operations funnel and figure out where are your biggest gaps in terms of technology? Where are you seeing a lot of inefficiencies? Where’s your headcount? Where is your performance lagging? And most of all, if you look at your funnel numbers, where is your biggest fall off? Right? Is it lead generation? Is it demand generation? Is it awareness, what’s what’s most broken in your funnel? They can’t just go out and start buying things.

But you do want to have that mapped out.

I mean, put it on a whiteboard in a conference room or something and just every stage of your operations funnel, have, what the performance numbers are, and what technology pieces you have in place.

The next thing you want to audit is data interchange and interoperability.

So of the pieces you have, how interoperable are they? Do they have good API’s? Do they have robust data export? How well do they play with others? What kind integrations Do they have built in, the more interoperable a piece of software is, the more likely it is, it’s going to be a good and long standing part of your operations funnel, the more of a walled garden, a piece of software is, the less likely that you should be spending a whole lot of time with it.

Once you’ve got that operations funnel, whiteboard it out, and you’ve got a little post it notes detailing the performance of each piece and stuff, then it’s time to start looking for vendors to patch the holes where the things that you have the biggest gap, that’s going to be your budget priority because you can’t buy everything all at once.

And you got to make a list of vendors in that space.

And in that particular space, whether it let’s let’s say for example, its prospect nurturing.

You have marketing automation software that helps with that.

Gonna make a list of what its interoperability features.

What is its data interchange features? What kind of API doesn’t have what kind of data export does it have And ultimately, how compatible is it with the rest of the stack.

That’s going to be a key part to understand how pieces map together.

And again, you want to focus on the interoperability because you may change pieces downstream.

Right? You may be on, say Microsoft Dynamics today, but in a year, sales is moving to salesforce.com, you want a piece of software that is in your marketing automation section that is compatible with both as compatible with as much as possible, so that when the time comes to change out, it’s not a big deal to simply pull the plug from one, CRM, one, plug it into another one.

If on the other hand, you have a vendor that is narrowly tuned to one piece of tech downstream, that could be a problem.

Right? So you want to have that map laid out the connections between layers.

Because remember that there’s some tools like Google Analytics Google Analytics plays mostly well with others.

But it more than anything mandates others play well with it because of its market position.

So things like setting up user ID, you want a marketing automation system that’s robust enough to connect back upstream as well.

Those interconnections between nodes in your Mar tech stack are the defining feature of what you will and won’t be using.

So that’s the process.

After that it’s vendor selection time, it is RFP time and is evaluating the vendors and making sure that they do what you want them to do.

Again, with that focus on interoperability, I literally cannot say that enough.

It is the most important thing for making sure that you have a platform that you can build on over time.

Vendors some, not all spent a lot of time trying to lock you in trying to make it easy to onboard and difficult to leave.

Take a look at the vendors that you currently have.

Take a look at the vendors that you’re evaluating in the marketplace and ask yourself, How easy is it to swap this piece of technology out? The best pieces of technology in your Mar tech stack will be the ones that would be the easiest to replace, because again, of that strong interoperability, the the vendors that try to lock you in, those are things that you want to try to avoid.

Because if you do need to change upstream or downstream pieces of technology in your stack, in six months, a year, two years, and you’ve become so dependent on one vendor that it doesn’t play well with others, it’s going to be very painful to make a change.

So even though vendors have sort of a self serving incentive to make it difficult to leave in your selection process, look for those vendors that make it easy to leave.

Knowing that that will actually work in their favor.

Because the technology is good, you don’t want to leave.

But if if you need to swap out for some reason, it’s not, you’re not completely locked in.

Those are all criteria for selecting martech vendors in your stack.

So that’s the summary.

First, figure out what your constraints on your environment are.

Second, do a funnel operations analysis to figure out where the gaps are.

Third, evaluate the partners you do have already and how interoperable they are.

And fourth, select partners to fill the biggest gaps with an eye towards interoperability.

It’s tough, it will take a long time, and there will be some less good choices you’ve made over time that happens.

The good news is there are a lot of middleware pieces of software that can help bridge some of those gaps, Zapier or If This Then That can help provide a little bit of digital glue.

We want to try and avoid that as much as possible because it just complicates things.

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July 16, 2020

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