Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

Category: Marketing automation

  • You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Technology for Monetizing Your Blog

    You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Technology for Monetizing Your Blog

    Maria asks, “I want to start a blog with the aim of monetizing it – what platform should I use?”

    When you want to monetize an owned media property, you fundamentally have four different models to choose from:

    • Display advertising, where you’re paid on traffic and clicks
    • Affiliate programs, where you’re paid on traffic, clicks, and leads
    • Sponsorship programs, where you’re paid to promote and build brands
    • Digital sales of owned content, where you sell your own digital goods

    When we consider what’s needed to make these different programs work, we need maximum flexibility and scalability of technology. We need the ability to switch out programs, products, and affiliates quickly, site-wide. We need the ability to start and end offers instantly. We need integrations with major eCommerce platforms. We need on-site advertising systems to manage house inventory and third parties.

    The platform that lends itself best to this much flexibility is a Managed WordPress platform. Only WordPress provides this much flexibility, from being able to execute your own server-side code (a major limitation on platforms like Squarespace and Wix, for godd reason) to swapping pieces and plugins in and out. The Managed part is important. This is where another company, your hosting company, manages the software and security for you. It’s not the cheapest, but it’s essential if you want to build a solid business. I recommend WP Engine for this (affiliate link).

    Once you’ve got the site, start assembling the pieces.

    You’ll want and need an ad server system; I recommend OpenX for that, since it gives you a lot of flexibility about what ads you want to serve.

    I recommend you join an affiliate program; for this, Shareasale tends to have the best payouts in the industry until you go direct with a company. If you crush it on referrals, it’s likely a company will reach out to you privately to negotiate a sponsorship.

    Finally, for digital delivery of goods, I recommend Gumroad.

    All these pieces combined will get you going for making money from your blog/podcast/owned properties.

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    In today’s episode, Maria asks, I want to start a blog with the aim of monetizing what platform should I be using? Well that’s a big question because monetization of an owned media property yeah requires more than just a blogging platform when you want to monetize a property you fundamentally have four different business models to choose from and if you are a good begin to do this as your thing as your jam you’re probably going to want to actually try and use all four models you want those multiple streams of income the four models ours brings up here display advertising where you are being paid essentially on on traffic to your site and you can be CPM which means cost per thousand impressions or CPC cost per click and you’re making money on either the number of times you show an ad or the number of clicks the ads got you’re showing get. The second is affiliate programs where you’re being paid on

    Essentially lead generation for companies you work with. So later on in this video we’re going to talk about a few of the programs that I participate in.

    If I if you do business with that company, I get a commission essentially commission based sales. The third is sponsorship programs where you’re paid to promote and build a brand. This is what a lot of influencers go for these days where, you know, they they’re clocking deals to represent a specific brand. Typically you need a very, very large audience for that or you do such a great job with an affiliate program but a sponsorship programs the next logical step and finally is digital sales where you are selling your own stuff that you’ve made through an e commerce vendor online. Now, in terms of monetary potential, this really does in many ways go in order. So display advertising is the place where you get started, you’re not going to make much money on it, but it also requires the least amount of technology affiliate programs require you to

    Engage with and set up in affiliates you would you participate in these programs you sign up for these programs and the money is a little bit better because some of the Commission’s can be as high as you know 1015, 20%

    of sale depending on what it is you’re selling sponsorship programs can be very lucrative depending on your audience size. Obviously if you’re a Kardashian you’ll do very well on that front. And then digital sales is where you’ll make the most long term money because you’re getting you know, 9596, 97%

    of the sales price. Basically you’re getting the sale minus whatever processing fees your vendor your e commerce platform is charging you. So you want to do all these and you probably wanted to start with them in that order. You want to have display advertising on the moment that your site launches so that you’re starting to monetize any traffic you send you want to have affiliate programs available so that if you’re writing about something you can you can make some money on it. Sponsorship programs will take longer, and then digital content takes as long as it takes for you to make the content and a lot of cases

    is for a lot of businesses, particularly if you’re just getting started out, that’s a pretty heavy lift. So when you consider what’s needed to make these programs work, you need maximum flexibility and scalability of technology, the platform you choose, you’ve got to be able to swap in and out programs, you’ve got to swap in and out products, affiliates, links, content,

    there are systems out there, they’ll let you hot link all the content that mentions a certain keyword. That’s something that would be very important as you add and remove affiliates you need to be able to offer things very, very quickly and remove offers justice quickly if a program comes to an end integration with e commerce payment gateways, onsite advertising systems.

    The platform that in my opinion lends itself best to this much flexibility is a managed WordPress platform. Only the WordPress blogging system as far as I can tell, other than like a custom enterprise e commerce system.

    CMS only WordPress provides this much flexibility, especially to someone just starting out from being able to execute your own server side code, which is super important for some of these things like digital sales and certain types of affiliates. That’s a major limitation for hosted platform, SAS platforms like Squarespace and wicks, which people are very, very love. And and those are good pieces of software for just running a blog. But if you want to monetize and you need the ability to execute code on the server, they’re not going to let you do that for security reasons this freely good reasons not to do that and the end and all the technology you need.

    Again, the managed part is important because you’re going to be running a lot of code a lot of third party code and you want a vendor that is going to handle the security the patches and the updates for you and and so that’s really important. This is where

    a managed WordPress hosting company is, it would be a benefit.

    The one that I recommend is WP Engine.

    There is an affiliate link

    yes, I do what I say

    there’s an affiliate link in the post that goes with this. But there I’ve had very good experiences with them. I host my website on them and very happy. Once you’ve got your WordPress blog setup and you got all the plugins, you got it all secured and stuff like that. Then you want to start adding pieces to each of these systems. So you’re going to need an ad server system. Probably one of the best known ones is open x. There are also a number of WordPress plugins that let you manage the you’re the ads you run on your site. You want the ability to to manage what’s called a third party and house third party ads or add programs you participate in from display advertising like Google AdWords, AdSense, for example.

    And you want house ads when you which are ads you make to promote your own stuff, whether it’s your newsletter, your blog, your podcast, whatever it is that you want to be publishing,

    you should join an affiliate program.

    Graham for this I’ve worked with share sale now for over a decade

    and they tend to have the best payouts in the industry until you go direct with a company again link in the show notes so affiliate program when you’re doing affiliate marketing if you crush it if you with a certain vendor like the WP Engine link that I just mentioned is through the share sale program in addition to share sale link

    if you just crush it on on an affiliate program very often what will happen and some systems like share so have this built in where the vendor in this case WP Engine could reach out directly to you and say hey you do an amazing job do you want to go direct will give you higher payouts will give you more exclusive offers, things like that. And then that’s when you can start negotiating the sponsorships. It’s very hard to do sponsorship unless you have either a million people in your audience or you have

    demonstrated strong results with

    Within affiliate program and then finally for the delivery of digital goods, I recommend gum road. That’s what I use for a lot of my ebooks and trainings and webinars. Their pricing is fantastic it’s something like three and a half 4% of fees of whatever it is you sell and you keep the rest for people who are authors for example you absolutely should be on the Amazon Kindle program but you should also be on gum road as well if you want to sell you need to be an Amazon because gigantic network right to be stupid not to be there. But if you’re if you’re selling direct to somebody send them the gum road link. You can either offer them a lower price or you get much more of the purchase price because Amazon Katie P is anywhere from 35 to 70% of your books, sale price, but gum roads 95% you make more money on the exact same book. So

    there is a lot to making money with your website. But these are some of the key technologies that are important that that you need to have in place in order to

    Make take advantage of all of these multiple streams of internet income. And again, you want to use as many of them as possible. You want to monetize your audience as much as possible. Final thing, whatever programs you join, whatever things you sell, make sure that they’re good. Make sure that they that if someone buys through you, even if the commission is lower, if it’s a great product in the long term that benefits you best because you don’t want to get into the business of referring crap to people. They will stop trusting your recommendations refer the best stuff to people and they will go with it so and they will stick with you. So as always, please subscribe to the YouTube channel and to the newsletter and I’ll talk to you soon. Take care

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Small Business Social Media Posting

    You Ask, I Answer_ Small Business Social Media Posting

    Zain asks, “How is a small business supposed to post 5 or more times a day? How do you even come up with that much content?”

    The secret to posting a lot without diminishing value is to share other people’s stuff often. I go by the 80/20 rule – 80% of what you share should be non-competitive content that helps your audience. In the video, I detail a system linking:

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    In today’s episode Zane asks, How is a small business opposed to post five or more times a day I read an article on Inc. com that the optimal time for the multiple amount of times to post on Facebook is five times a day. How does a small business or solo printer even come up with that much content? Well, okay, so this is a really, really good question because it’s a couple of different questions packed into one first,

    the idea that there is a an optimal number of things to do on social media, whether it’s posts, whether it’s times of day and things is something of a something of an illusion.

    The reality is your business and your audience are different from every other business. There is how you collect your audience.

    So who your audience is, is going to be different. So

    should you immediately just start with whatever numbers in in today’s news, maybe if you’re just getting started out, there’s no harm in testing out the best practices. Because best practices really are bottled minimum competence is kind of the idea. They’ll get you started. And then from there, you customize, it gives you a place to start. It’s like a recipe. You start with the recipe and then once you’ve mastered the basics of the recipe, then you go on to adapt to improve it and make it your own. So

    there I would suggest if you’re going to do this go this route. You’ll want to to start testing out frequency and measure things like engagement and traffic on the posts that are yours to see. Is there actually an optimal time or an optimal number of posts for your audience now to the question about where do you get that much content generally speaking

    You should be following the 8020 rule, which is for every one post that you post, that’s your own content, like my blog, or the Trust Insights blog.

    The other four posts should be third party content that’s non competitive that you give out to

    other articles and things like that.

    Where’d you get that much content? Well, it comes over time. So initially, when you’re just starting out on your own content, you should be doing stuff like video video that you put into YouTube that you can then put onto a blog, have it transcribed, and now you’ve got frequent blog content. That’s what I do every single day because I don’t have time to make all these different pieces of content. But if I record one video, I can then go and turn it into a bunch of different pieces of content. That’s the kind of a separate question second,

    in order to get

    lots of other content you need to be pulling from the existing reading and

    Research you’re already doing so I use a combination of apps one is called fiddly. It’s called pocket I will go through. I subscribed to a good Julian and a half different blogs in fiddly. I go through air tag the ones that I want to read. And then I use a service called If This Then That to pass them to pocket the app. And then pocket does a nice job of collecting them, rendering them things like that. And then I can

    mark certain ones like, yep, that was a really good one, or Okay, that was okay. And then from there, you can actually export all of the links. If you go into pocket settings, you can export an HTML file with all your links, and that will let you be able to and to take those URLs and right social media posts about them. You could just use the article title if if you don’t have a lot of time. That’s typically what I do. You can also if you want to, you know, customize the messaging around my my friend and colleague Scott. Monty does that where he writes a very elaborate summary of each link

    So depends on how much time you have and how much you’re willing to do customization. But that’s how you do it. You read you research and then you take that information from all these different publications and you share their stuff. Remember, you’re not copying and pasting their actual content you’re sharing links to it. And so you can do that as much as you want.

    where people get stuck is that they typically don’t read enough and they don’t subscribe to enough to have a large body of content you’re probably going to want to start off with 100 hundred and 50 blogs

    in feed Lee and even in pocket they will be recommendation engines things that you can use that will allow you to say like I want to I want blogs about marketing and of course they’ll bring up

    a couple of dozen marketing blogs and then you would type in I want blogs with social media marketing, email marketing, business strategy,

    you know, start picking out topics in Philly, and you’ll be able to

    To subscribe to them and then give it a little while to pull the ill. Typically when you subscribe to blog, it’ll pull the first 10 posts the most 1010 most recent posts for that blog. Now you’ve got your your starting point for content and you can go through and again

    my workflow is feely to if this than that to pocket and that’s mostly automated so that I can then do that HTML export and get going.

    That’s how you do this. That’s how you create that much content to share on social media. And then the last piece is you need a scheduler, you need a scheduling tool that allows you to take I like I’m currently using and evaluating Agra pulse. I’ve been using it for a while now. And I like that you can just upload a spreadsheet to it. So

    say you get that list of links from

    from pocket, you put that into a spreadsheet, and then you can upload that into a service like agriculture.

    buffer does this you, Hootsuite does this to

    you upload a CSV file which is a type of spreadsheet export from Excel to CSV and then you upload it in you decide what you’re posting schedule or times are going to be you define them and then it will auto fill your all your social content for as long as that file is that way you can write and build an entire week’s worth of social media content all at once the process for me because that some of these pieces I’ve written my own custom code to automate so the process for me to build my own social media content for a week, the frame the framework content, not engagement, not replies, not conversations, but just the posting of stuff now takes about

    two to three minutes a week to fill out, you know, 180 hundred 90 posts

    across these networks and then have it just dump it into Agra.

    pulse and have it and have it go out that’s

    that’s how long that’s where you want to get to you want to get to your framework content as quickly as possible and get it get it done and then that way you have more time for engagement and conversation so great question it’s a very common question and there are ways to do it that don’t require custom code like I said, you just use pocket if this than that and feed Lee as your as your glue. And then as you grow as your business grows, you can level that up to make it more automated, more customized, things like that.

    Give it a shot, see how it works for you. As always, please subscribe to the YouTube channel into the newsletter and I’ll talk to you soon. Take care

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Evaluating Content Marketing Management Software

    You Ask, I Answer_ Evaluating Content Marketing Management Software

    Peter asks, “What do you recommend for content marketing management software, especially for a B2B company?”

    Great question, and a very common one. Content marketing management needs to fulfill one or more of the following functions:

    • Creation / management of creation
    • Curation and amplification
    • Scheduling
    • Workflows and approvals
    • IAM / ACL
    • Publishing
    • Monitoring
    • Analytics

    Each of these features has a number of point solutions that will run you 10 –50 per month; when combined, it’s easy to see how the price tag for software just goes up and up.

    What I use:

    • I create my own content mostly using SEO tools – check out SEMrush as one of many
    • I wrote my own curation tools because I was unhappy with what was on the market, but it’s powered by Feedly and Pocket
    • I’ve used a number of tools for scheduling but really like Agorapulse now, especially since they finally added LinkedIn
    • Most tools offer an enterprise edition for both workflows and IAM; software like Workfront does this well if you need heavy duty workflows and IAM
    • Buffer, Hootsuite, and Agorapulse are great choices for publishing and basic monitoring, especially in bulk
    • For analytics, Google Analytics is the gold standard for owned media content; most software provides some activity-based monitoring

    Disclosure: some links are affiliate marketing links for which my company, Trust Insights, earns a small commission if you end up buying something.

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    In today’s episode, Peter asks, What do you recommend for content marketing management software, especially for a b2b company? Oh, great question. A very common question. And

    there’s a lot to unpack when it comes to content marketing management, because there’s so many different aspects of content marketing. So your typical software needs to check the box on at least one of Oh, I don’t know, eight or nine different functions. So let’s go down the list of those functions. You need to have the creation of content and the management of creation of that content. So asset management and things like that you need curation, an amplification. So I the identification of third party content that you want to amplify. So there’s an identification part and then there’s the actual curation and gathering part there is scheduling of content calendaring.

    And also scheduling and calendaring of internal work for it gets published. So there’s there could be a couple of layers of scheduling. And there, there are workflows and approvals, which is an important part, especially when you’re working with a third party organization. So if you have an agency, for example, now you’re going to need to have workflows and approvals. There is Google. I am an ACL. So identity access management and access control lists the ability to provide different granular levels of security to different parts of the application, depending on who’s doing what, again, really important when you’re working with subcontractors, agencies, there is the actual publishing and distribution of content. So what platforms that goes out on whether it’s a blog, whether it is social media, whether it is any kind of distribution network, there is, of course, the monitoring of the content that you create and monitoring in general and there is analytics the measurement of stuff now

    Here’s a way to think about this that will help you figure out what you can do. Each of these areas has individual point solutions, single single serving solutions that run anywhere from 10 to 15, maybe 10 to 100 bucks a month for each of these individual bullet points when you start adding them together, of course, that has added a pricing. So if you aren’t scheduling and workflows, you’re going to pay much more for that than just a scheduling tool by itself. If you want the entire laundry list in one package, now you’re talking about an enterprise tool, enterprise tools come with the enterprise pricing.

    You could be paying

    thousand $2,000 a month for some of the top line software that does it all. But there’s a reason why it does it all. It’s because you pay for it. So what do I personally do both for myself and for Trust Insights I we use a bunch of point solutions that are knitted together with human elbow grease.

    For the creation of content and figuring out what to create content about, I use SEO tools for that, because SEO tells you what’s going to happen when I recommend you this will link in the show notes here is is sem rush, but you know, use the SEO tool that you are most comfortable with

    for content curation amplification. I wrote my own software because I wasn’t happy with what was on the market. It wasn’t doing what I wanted to do,

    but it’s based on feed Lee and pocket to apps that have free additions. And so it’s a lot of reading and tagging things like save this for later and stuff and then being able to export the data and then load it into your social media scheduler for scheduling itself. I’ve used a number of different tools over the years so I’m trying out I’ve been trying to Agra pulse

    and I’m actually really happy with it because it does LinkedIn really well and a lot of tools do LinkedIn.

    pretty poorly. And again for b2b marketing that’s really important. It does

    Instagram Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn Google Plus for like the for people who still use that

    but it has it has monitoring and publication built in which is kind of nice

    for workflows and identity access management

    most that’s going to be built in individual software co schedule I know does a lot of that and and does it really well. Work front does that as well.

    Those are going to be obviously higher priced software because they do a lot of and they need to do a lot of integration into things like Single Sign On and stuff for publishing and basic monitoring. Again, buffer Hootsuite, Agra pulse all great choices I’ve used all of them.

    Hootsuite is my least favorite just because I don’t like their interface. But aggro pulse and buffer are ones that are used and they have good monitoring for seeing like what’s happening with

    The content you publish to the platform now for analytics to measure your content,

    all these tools do activity based monitoring. So you publish a post and it will tell you so what’s happened with that post that’s not helpful.

    The gold standard for content marketing analytics is Google Analytics because a it’s free, but be because it’s connected to all of your goals and gets connected to all of your revenue, your ecommerce, if you’ve got e commerce going on, that tells you the actual impact of your content of your social and everything. So there is

    really no alternative then like that web analytics layer for the performance of your content marketing in terms of the impact that actually delivers so

    if you wanted to replace a giant system of spreadsheets, I would look at Agra pulse I would look at

    I would look at and co schedule

    Again, that’s going to be a little on the expensive side. If you if you have a large team, you should look at work front.

    But honestly, there’s nothing wrong with a pile of spreadsheets. If work is getting done. If work is not getting done and communication is breaking down, then yes, look for additional software. But the premise behind a lot of these enterprise packages is that

    things are breaking down process wise, if you have great process in place the software it’s much easier to make do with you know, point solutions. So one of the things like at Trust Insights our CEO is

    so focused on process and and so good at process that we can plug any number of tools together as long as they they adhere to the process as opposed to the way that most people do it, which is where they they buy the tool and they hope the tool fixes the process but because process is driven largely by people

    software can only do so much. If you fix the people first, then the software is is easier. And if you have great process, you can reduce your costs. Because you can use point solutions for a lot of stuff

    navigated by the process you have in place. So something to think about on that front is of people process and platform, which is where’s the most broken thing? And if it’s not the software,

    then then buying or different software is probably not going to fix that. So something to think about. Great question, like I said, a very common question and very popular question. It’s going to require a lot of experimentation. And again, I’ve got links in the show notes. So if you look in the comment below here, or I’m on the blog post for this, you can click through to a lot of these things. A couple of them are affiliate programs. So full disclosure that

    we’re interested in science earns a very small commission if you do eventually buy something through those links, but as always, please subscribe.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Tackling Data Privacy and Regulation

    You Ask, I Answer_ Tackling Data Privacy, and Regulation

    Melissa asks, as part of the IBM #WinWithAI Summit: “How can enterprises be proactive about data privacy and regulation?”

    Want to know why we’re having conversations about data privacy and regulation? It’s because marketing has no governance. It’s the Wild West, with CMOs buying every technology available and no one conducting the orchestra. Marketers need to adopt proven IT standards of governance.

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    In today’s episode, Melissa asks, as part of the win with AI summit, the IBM summit that I’m attending in New York in September, have a link in the show notes. Full disclosure, IBM is compensating me to attend. She asks, How can enterprises be proactive about privacy and regulation, data privacy and regulation? Well,

    why are we asking this question? We’re asking this question, especially within a marketing context, because marketing is the Wild West, right? marketing technology right now is the Wild West has no governance, no oversight, the CMO is buying all sorts crazy stuff, then the the VP of Marketing goes and buy some stuff in the marketing director goes and buys them stuff. And you have all these different technologies. And there’s no regulation, there’s no internal regulation of what’s happening with the deployment of technology. Even though since 2016, the CMO has spent more on it technology, the CIO yet

    this nobody’s nobody’s conducting the orchestra. So

    what should enterprises be doing? Well, here’s the thing, it figured out a really long time ago that governance is important, even if it is onerous, even if it is not fun. Even if it is it slows down business operations. But because it for decades has been perceived, primarily as a cost center, a lot of the governance around it is designed to make it as efficient as possible to make it compliant as possible with regulations and to help the enterprise grow appropriately within the bounds of regulatory requirements. So what marketers should be doing what anybody who’s working with data should be doing is a hearing to one of the many, many different standards that are available for data privacy,

    and for governance of our he overall. And this is for marketers, not for the IT people, marketers need to adopt the same open standards that it people have. The one that I think is the best fit is the ISO 38 500

    framework, I saw 38 500

    dash 2015, and we actually bring this up here. This is

    this framework is designed to help companies be compliant. And if you want a copy of this as a PDF, I’ll put a link in the show notes. It’s available on Trust Insights calm, but the ISO 38 500 framework, but governance of it for the organization covers six functional areas. Six, six concept, responsibility, strategy, acquisition, performance, conformance, and humanity. And each of these areas has rules, has guidelines, has things set out to help a company manage those areas? So under responsibility, this is corporate responsibility. This is business strategy, what is the business going to do? What are the businesses goals, what outcomes are we are we do we care about as a business, that’s the first part. And if that’s not defined, then of course, your your marketing technology is going to be a zoo, and your AI is going to be a zoo. Second is marketing technology strategy or AI strategy, if you will, the infrastructure, the architecture that the the the reason you’re doing stuff, the processes by which you select technologies to buy again, if it’s the Wild West and organization, you don’t have marketing technology strategy, you don’t have somebody saying, This is what we do. This is not what we do, we need tools in this category. We don’t need tools in this category. The tools that we do need have to fit certain requirements. The third is the acquisition. This is the balance sheet. And this is so important, because this is something that companies don’t do in marketing, which is what value does marketing bring? What costs to the marketing? What are the the cost of all the software services, which are typically operating expenses, not capital expenses? What is the capital? What hardware and things what assets Do you have, and especially in marketing technology, and, and really in AI, and data science? What is the value of the IP you’re creating? Remember that one the most important things about artificial intelligence is that you’re creating models, those models have intrinsic economic value, as long as they’re functioning correctly. That is something that has to be accounted for and has a real dollar value. And if you don’t have a balance sheet for your marketing technology and your AI, you are not going to be able to account for the full value of what it is you’re creating. Remember, data isn’t asset models are an asset. The fourth bucket is operations, what do you do? How do you how do you manage your marketing technology, especially security? So going back to the question of data privacy and regulation, how will you managing the security of your marketing technology, most marketers no fence are not active, exactly it wizards to begin with. And so there is a substantial risk of people doing things like leaving PII, personally identifiable information. unencrypted in tables, for example, that’s just a terrible practice buying technologies without vetting them for their compliance to to known standards like ISO 2701 or six sigma, being able to say I guess this this is a a lean and efficient operation operational tool or vendor or things like that. The fifth bucket is risk and compliance This is governance conformance risk management audit, you get to go through things like socks and Kobe and DSS in order to determine that you are complying with regulations. This is the part that everybody hates in governance, but is this is the insurance policy that covers your butt in case something goes wrong, if something goes wrong, you can say, we adhere to all these different compliance standards, all these different security standards, stuff happens. But if you made all reasonable efforts to comply with security regulations with best practices, then you can say, Yes, we made, you know, our best good faith efforts, we’ve complying with everything we possibly can, and things still went sideways, because that happens in life. But if you don’t have that paper trail, you are at significant risk as a marketer, as a marketer, with marketing technology. And the sixth area is change management. This is how do you get people to do more, to be more to be more capable, and to be able to accomplish more with the stuff that you’re giving them. So you’re buying all these marketing technology tools, you’re buying all the AI tools and software and vendors is making a difference and will not have the people don’t use it, not if you don’t have processes in place to, to help people to use it. And so that’s these these six areas. This is how you, you become proactive about data privacy and regulation. You measure on things like business metrics, balanced scorecard, Zach man framework, PCI DSS, Six Sigma capability, Maturity Model, all these different metrics that it again had, it has been working with this stuff for decades. And so if we can bring it into marketing into the CMOS office, into the CMT owes office, if you have one of those people in your organization, this will help you become a better run organization, a better run marketing organization and to use your marketing technology in a more compliant, more intelligent way. If you don’t have this or some other governance framework in place. That is how you become proactive at data privacy. That’s how you become proactive about regulation, you adopt an open standards, and then when things do go sideways, you can say, Yes, we are working we’re at we’re working towards compliance and all these different areas, this areas where you know, something went wrong. And so we’re going to double down on fixing, for example, our adherence to PCI. Okay, that’s something that you can point to, and an auditor and a lawyer and all the people who are involved in things like lawsuits could say, Okay, got it. Or if you’re still struggling, for example, with the implementation or the management of GDPR, even though the date for the deadline of enforcement has passed, there are still a ton of companies who are not in compliance and a working towards compliance was reading through earnings calls recently. And everyone’s saying, Oh, yeah, we’re now just starting to understand the effects of GDPR. Cool. Where was that in your mark tech strategy and your business strategy? How did that impact your balance sheet? How did that impact your operations, everyone focused on the risk and compliance which is appropriate. But now we have to look at the other five areas of this ISO 3500 framework to see the impact of a regulation like GDPR on the business. So great question, complex question. And you’re going to need help doing this, you probably going to need to hire a consulting firm of some kind. If your enterprises big enough, you want to look at something like IBM. IBM has a whole bunch of teams that can do stuff like this, that they’ll send thousands of consultants and you know, eat all your cafeteria food, whatever, but it’s how you can reach those states of compliance. But this is what you need to do. As always, please subscribe to the YouTube channel in the newsletter and I’ll talk to you soon. Take care

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  • Sneak Peek: How AI Helps Sales Professionals

    Sneak Peek_ How AI Helps Sales Professionals

    According to Gartner, 30% of all B2B companies will employ AI to augment at least one of their primary sales processes by 2020. Don’t wait for the future – start implementing now, with today’s technologies.

    Driver Analysis

    • Prospect and lead qualification
    • Better sales analytics

    Time-Series Forecasting

    • Sales enablement
    • Sales forecasting
    • Revenue forecasting

    Text Mining/Natural Language Processing

    • Voice of the customer
    • Competitive analysis
    • Better sales enablement materials
    • Better sales pitches

    Natural Language Interaction

    • First touch scaling
    • Sales CRM interaction, especially data capture

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    Today we’re gonna give you a sneak peek into one of the talks I’m doing on how artificial intelligence is helping improve sales, helping sales the department be more productive. According to Gartner, 30% of all companies will be using AI to enable or augment one of their sales processes. One of the primary sales process is by 2020. I say this if you are waiting until 2020 to implement AI anywhere within the sales value chain. You’re missing the boat because companies are implementing this now sales CRM vendors are implementing this right now. It is it is the middle of August 2018 as I record this particular video and one of the CRM vendors HubSpot, just rolled out chat bots for everybody can just install it and run it

    and so there is tremendous opportunity for salespeople.

    Take advantage of these technologies, especially since as vendors incorporate them into their products do you have to, like have a programmer or a developer or a data scientist on staff to make use of at least some of them. So let’s take a look at what’s available today from a technology basis and and see how this will impact your sales processes. And that’s something you can use to start thinking about, well, what vendors should we be using for our CRM or sales enablement or marketing automation and so on and so forth. The four categories I want to touch on today, our driver analysis, time series, forecasting, natural language processing, and natural language interaction. Let’s dig through each of these in terms of what it means for sales. What will sales get out of it? Driver analysis is a type of statistics where you take very large sets of data with with it’s called high dimensional data, and you try to figure out what are the most valuable important variables within that data set. So imagine you’re prospecting and you’ve got all this information about your prospects you’ve got

    dates and times, and interactions and touches, and company firma graphics and demographics and you’ve got behaviors, and you’ve got preferences and movies, tastes, and likes of music and stuff on Facebook, and you have all this data, what actually predicts whether someone is a good lead dimensional analysis, dimensional reduction and driver analysis will help you distill down by saying, we know from past data, these are the good leads, and these are the not so good leads, okay, what to all the good leads have in common, adding in a mathematical way, boiling all that down to statistics and say, Okay, this is the good lead has these probabilities of these variables. That’s one of the things that you should see an immediate benefit for when you’re using AI,

    some type of what’s called supervised learning. You’ll also get better sales analytics because just as prospects and leads have all these different characteristics, so do your sales process.

    is easier you think about the sales pipeline, you have your prospect, you have leads, you have opportunities, you have pitches and proposals and deals. Think about the inner workings of a sale CRM. That’s all data that you’re collecting. Probably not using to the the greatest effect. So as AI gets incorporated into more and more CRM products, we should be seeing better and better sales analytics because it should be distilling down and saying, Yeah, you’re collecting all this data. But these are really the variables that you need to pay attention to that tell you whether a deal is going to close or not. The second category is what I call time series, forecasting, being able to forecast out what’s happening. So there’s three things that you’ll see here one of the sales enablement, helping you predict when people are going to be searching for the thing that you do, whether it’s make widgets, or sell coffee, or whatever the case may be. And then being able to say, okay, that we know that you know, this is when sales people need to amp up their dialing efforts. They need to be scheduling more appointments. They need to be doing all these things because

    These periods of time that matter the most second, of course it any type of Science Time Series forecasting is naturally going to have sales forecasting what based on all of your sales data when are you likely to make what kinds of sales you’re likely to make in the next 30 days, 60 days, 90 days, and so on and so forth. And of course if you got sales data then you also have things like revenue data so being able to forecast for sales people what are the Commission’s that are likely to happen in the next quarter based on on historical data and current trends you use artificial intelligence and and these predictive algorithms to predict ahead, here’s what’s likely to happen from the top to the middle to the bottom of the funnel. The third category is natural language processing, also sometimes known as text mining. And this is where you’re going to see a lot of incredible leaps and bounds for sales enablement. We’re going to talking about things like the voice of the customer, what is the customer say if you haven’t mind your CRM for to understand what your customers asking about the most.

    You’re missing an opportunity. And you’ve already got the data.

    We also have competitive analysis, if you were to take all the information that’s available about your key competitors on on the internet, so chats and forums and reviews and, and social media and boil that down. What do people say about your competitors? And then contrast that to what people say about you? Where’s the gap? Is there a gap between what people like about you and what people like about your competitor? Or Wouldn’t that be handy to know when you’re going into a big pitch

    we would expect to see from natural language processing, then better sales enablement materials, once you understand what people are saying, you can tune your sales enablement materials, you can generate content on the fly even

    social media posts as a very simple example like hey, this is a trending topic right now in our industry. We should probably have some content about this and forth you would expect the natural language processing to deliver a better sales pitches. Here’s your

    Going to improve your pitching based on on the understanding you have of the industry, the competitors, your company and the voice of the customer. So expect those benefits. The last category is natural language interaction. And this is where we’re, we’re seeing stuff in market right now about scaling. First touch with things like chat bots and messenger programs, being able to interact with customers and provide them helpful information answers to their questions. 24 seven whenever the customer wants, as long as they don’t mind that first interaction being with a robot being with a machine that is a tremendous sales benefit. Because now you are open 24 seven and someone can respond to initial customer inquiries anytime, anywhere on you know, on any device because the chat bots will do that. For us. What is a tremendous benefit. The second thing is sales CRM interaction.

    sales people are not great about putting their data into CRM is not

    University some people are great about it, some people not so much. But in order for us to be to improve our sales, we need to be capturing all that information we need to be capturing and transcribing call logs. If we have voice interactions with customers, we need to be capturing meetings we need to be capturing

    phone chats and and and emails and I am this and and centralizing all that data so that we can then use those other technologies to analyze it. Sales CRM interaction is one of the areas where natural language interaction is going to make a huge difference because we’ll just simply have our phones or whatever our systems talking to a eyes and having the eyes transcribe what we say and loaded right right into the CRM you can already get great transcription technology for super super cheap so if you’ve got a voice call or you have a meaning and you’ve got and and obviously it depending on the laws of your area, make sure you have permission to do so. But you can take the the audio recordings and stuff it into an AI and have it spit back text that you can then do

    Large scale analysis on for one salesperson this might or might not be useful. But if you’re a sales manager, you got 510, 20, 5100

    sales reps, you kind of want to know what people are saying, You’re especially want to hear what the customer is saying. And you can’t listen to all hundred people this meal making 100 calls a day, you just can’t do that. But with this transcription process through AI, and then the analysis of the text, the text, the text mining, you could you could at least get a sense of what’s being said. So

    that was a lot in about nine minutes, driver analysis time series forecasting, natural language processing and natural language interaction of the four technologies that are available today. This is not waiting for the future to happen. This these are technologies that are available today. They are already being baked into some CRM software today. Make sure that your sales organization has a plan to use the technologies in each of these areas to boost

    Your sales to boost your sales people’s capabilities and to reduce the amount of boring crap that nobody wants to do and to help them spend their time selling more. As always, please subscribe to the YouTube channel to the newsletter and thanks for watching. Take care

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Managing Your LinkedIn Connections

    You Ask, I Answer_ Managing Your LinkedIn Connections

    Heidi asks, “Do I remember correctly that you recommended accepting all LinkedIn requests? Do you do anything to mark people that you don’t know so that you can keep them separate?”

    I do indeed accept all connection requests. You never know who you’ll need to reach, and the power of LinkedIn follows Metcalfe’s Law.

    Feel free to connect with me on LinkedIn.

    That said, it can be tough to see who’s who, so what I recommend doing is setting up marketing automation software to integrate with your LinkedIn contact data.

    I recommend either using Mautic or Hubspot to manage the data about your LinkedIn network.

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    In today’s episode, Heidi asks, Do I remember correctly that you recommend accepting all LinkedIn requests? Do you do anything to mark people that you don’t know, so that you can keep them separate. Um, I do absolutely recommend that people consider having a LinkedIn account, which they accept all connection requests. Now, if you want to have a very tightly knit LinkedIn

    experience, then you may want to have to LinkedIn accounts, you may want to have one that is purely just

    private communications and one that is sort of your public face in the same way that

    it’s recommended as best practice for you to have a personal Facebook account but also to have a Facebook page so that you can discern between the two

    given that is that we keep them separate, not within LinkedIn itself. LinkedIn used to

    Hash tagging for contacts. But that went away

    about a year ago, I think maybe a little bit more. And so that’s no longer available to people who are doing networking on LinkedIn. What you can do. And what I recommend you do is that you employ some sort of marketing automation software that that you can bring your LinkedIn contacts, data and all your data into importing that information into a system that then allows you to, to categorize and score and rank

    people as based on your interactions with them.

    That is a fairly heavy lift from a to do list perspective. So it has to be worth your time if you spend a ton of time on LinkedIn. And it is you know, if you have for example, a professional marketer you should absolutely be investing a lot of time creating content for LinkedIn publishing it making connections and things like that. What are some of the options that are available to you there are some really great one of the great

    free options is HubSpot sales CRM, you can you can open up a free account you have an unlimited number of connections, there’s there’s limited thing you can do with it. But you would put the tracking pixel from that onto your personal website or your portfolio or any owned media. And then as you communicate with people, it will then track the amount of activity you have with them and show you who’s more connected to you who visits your stuff, etc. The one I personally prefer to use is called Monique. It is an open source marketing automation software.

    It is not the most friendly thing to get set up and running on your own. You can buy the professional version which has a substantially higher monthly fee. I use the cloud hosted version are you I use the self hosted version where you have to go through a lot of hoops to get it up and running. But the cost for me for

    a 50,000 person database

    Somewhere around $8 a month, which is super affordable. And again, just like HubSpot, you install the tracking codes and stuff like that. And then you you send an email to people that you have permission to send email to.

    And

    it tracks who you have interactions with tracks those those connections, people who visit your website and stuff and then gives you a sense by lead scoring of who’s the most engaged with you. One important thing with LinkedIn is that you can’t it’s against the terms of service to simply mass mail all your connections. So you can import that data you can export the important for tracking purposes, but you can’t just send out one massive blast people. What you can do is as people connect with you send them a one off message each time within LinkedIn cell saying, Hey, thanks for connecting with me. I got a newsletter here. If you’re so interested, please subscribe to it and you give them the link. And that would be a way to legitimately do that without violating the terms of service.

    can store that it’s like a tech snippet. And then just use a you a tech shortener to key coded every time someone to connect with us just do a little thing and and and it goes fairly quickly.

    But that’s how to manage that you know all those connections on LinkedIn is send them accept the requests, let them know who you are, and what you do,

    ask them how you can be helpful to them, maybe, and invite them to connect with you in other channels. And that way,

    that way, you get that tracking information. And then in your marketing automation software, that’s where you want to tag where contacts came from. So if you’ve imported your LinkedIn connections into your, your marketing automation, or your CRM software you’d specify Yes, this came from LinkedIn.

    And that way you can remember, oh, this person, you know, LinkedIn has helped me

    reach new audiences or different audiences. You can do a lot of data analysis.

    On those people once you’ve got them in and likewise when you send out email newsletters if you were so inclined that you wanted to segment out just the LinkedIn audience for some reason

    you could absolutely do that with you know a Google Analytics you tm tags and so on and so forth so great question

    again remember to adhere to the terms of service and and follow the rules that you don’t get kicked off and get your account banned which is completely counterproductive to the point of LinkedIn in the first place and you’re going to need some kind of third party software again HubSpot CRM, the basic version is free of financial costs. So it’s worth looking into I use model because I need heavier duty stuff that allows you know, unlimited features and unlimited contacts

    and I paid like five to eight bucks a month depending on how much email I send each month. So great question. Thanks for asking. As always, please subscribe to the YouTube channel, not into the newsletter. I’ll talk to you soon. Take care

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Career Focus Choices

    You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Career Focus Choices

    Magdalena asks, “What should be marketers’ main focus – numbers or creativity and innovation? Why?”

    The idea of asking someone to choose being qualitative or quantitative is inadvisable. People have natural aptitudes, and asking them to focus on something that isn’t their strength tends to yield mediocre results.

    The more important focus choice is whether a marketer is operations-focused or experience-focused. Customer experience is absolutely vital, as is marketing operations – but in larger companies, you must choose to focus on one branch more than the other. Which choice you make dictates hiring, team composition, and ultimately your brand’s effectiveness. Watch the video for full details.

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    In today’s episode, Magdalena asks, What should marketers main focus be numbers or creativity and innovation? Why?

    I don’t think these are focus points. And the reason for that is numbers and quantitative data excellence and things and creativity, innovation out of the box, thinking

    two things. One, you can’t be either or most people are a combination of both. And these are attributes these are characteristics of the person. So some people have an aptitude towards the quantitative they love data, they love charts they love all the the slicing and dicing they’re very analytical thinkers, other people very creative thinkers they’re out of the box thinkers

    today with artificial intelligence and and the ability for machines to do very narrow

    Asked extremely well, you really need to be both, although it is has since been proven neurologically untrue. The idea of left brain and right brain still is a a false dichotomy. You need to be both brain, right? You need to be able to do both things,

    the greater challenge, I think, if if marketers have to put a focus somewhere, it’s not on trying to change themselves to be something that they’re not. If yes, absolutely, you should always have a lifetime of learning and development and, and experimenting in creative tools, experimenting in quantitative tools. But if there’s a focus that you have to choose from, because both can be very overwhelming it is whether you are business focused or customer focused. And again, just like left brain, right brain, you can’t just do one but because of the scope and the scale of being very business focused on what we were

    Marketing operations or being customer focused on what is customer experience and and buyers journey customer journey

    unless you work at a very small company you can’t really specialize in either one

    well especially working small company you can specialize another one you have to do both and then as you work a bigger companies you started to have a path where you are on more on the operation side or you are more on the experience side that’s to me is is where you have to make a choice as marketers to what you want to be known for what you want to be good at and what tools and systems and technologies you will specialize in because they are very different marketing operations tends more towards things like automation, CRM,

    it making sure that that marketing happens and there’s still absolutely stuff like focus groups and surveys and stuff to to get a sense of what customers think.

    But you really are working towards furthering the goals of the business and you’re working towards making marketing operating as efficiently and as effectively as possible. On the experience side, you are all in on voice of the customer, you are all in on the customer journey and the paths touch points analysis, attribution analysis and understanding customer behavior, psychology, understanding, neurology understanding how the human being makes decisions and then optimizing your marketing to those decision pathways. It there’s a lot of data mining and a lot of exploration. What are people saying about a product? What are people saying about our competitors to understand that experience that they have in trying to do path analysis and so that’s where marketers have to make a strong choice in focus in their careers. Now, you heard a lot of the same tools in both sides data analysis activity.

    analysis, path analysis, things like that. So it’s not again, it’s not left brain, right brain creative risk quantitative, you need both attributes to be successful. Or you need to have a team that

    compensates for where you are not as strong. But what does that mean focus is going to be are you working on making a marketing function more efficiently and effectively? Or are you working more on serving the customers needs so that the customer is endlessly delighted by everything that you do?

    And by the way, that’s not just Product Marketing. A lot of people think customer experience is Product Marketing, how can we make the product work better the way the customer wants it to? It’s much more about the experience the customer is actually exposed for the first time they become aware of your brand all the way through owning and being a loyal advocate for your brand. And that is a discipline a career path it is is a massive change in focus for the average marketer.

    And so that’s where you your marketing focus has to be. If you are managing a team of marketers, you need to split your operations about 5050, who’s going to be on the operations side, making marketing run, who’s going to be on the experience side, making the customer happy. If you default towards one of those disciplines,

    the other suffers, the other can be neglected and you will pay a price for it. If you are less focused on operations and marketing will not run as well. stuff will fall through the cracks, things will not run as well.

    If you ignore the customer experience, you’re going to be in an obnoxious, annoying marketer, you’re going to be the one you’re gonna be the person who’s you know, we have this cadence, we need to hit

    the Email button every three days. We need between 22 times a day and it will all be stuff that nobody wants because you are focused solely on the operations and being very company centric, that you won’t be customer centric. Thanks.

    So that’s where the risks are.

    Great question

    again, because people think that they have to make a choice about being something that they’re not. It can be a very misleading question. So instead of choosing quantitative, quantitative, choose operations, focus with some in informed experience on the customer experience side, or choose customer side with some focus on the operation side, and you have to do both. Again, these are all false choices. You must be everything in a lot of ways, but choose one of those two disciplines to add focus to to become better at so tough question. Great question. As always, please subscribe to the newsletter and the YouTube channel. I’ll talk to you soon. Take care

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  • You Ask, I Answer: The Future of Lead Scoring

    You Ask, I Answer_ The Future of Lead Scoring

    Sangram Vajre asks, “I’m not sure there’s a future for lead scoring, are you?”

    Lead scoring as we currently know it isn’t great, but it is better than complete blindness. However, lead scoring today is overly dependent on demographics and firmographics.

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    Just because someone can buy doesn’t mean they’re willing to buy. IBM codified this decades ago in the 1960s in its BANT acronym, but modern marketing technology has largely ignored BANT in favor of just assuming everyone is always qualified and ready to buy.

    The future of lead scoring is behavioral and contextual. Understanding where a person is helps understand whether or not they’re likely to buy, and instead of lead scoring as an activity score, it will evolve to probability. Machine learning will power the next generation of lead scoring, fed by APIs, data, news, and significant training.

    For example, if someone’s an intern at a company, do we discard them? In a contextual lead scoring system, they might be the most valuable person in the pipeline, because the CMO isn’t going to be Googling for SaaS procurement vendors. She’s going to delegate that down 20 levels and it will eventually end up on the intern’s desk.

    Here’s a simple example of understanding time contextually. Yesterday, I ran a forecast on the number of people searching for “outlook out of office”. When someone’s searching that, we know they’re about to go on vacation. When in the next few months will that search peak? The weeks of June 17 – July 8\. That’s when predictive analytics software forecasts the most intent for that term – which means a next generation lead scoring system should automatically discount those weeks in its algorithms. Anyone who does respond during those times should have an accelerated nurture program because it’s likely they will be on vacation at some point shortly thereafter.

    This is what lead scoring will evolve to – probabilities that inform activities, so that sales professionals do more of the right things, at the right times, with the right people.

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    Song everybody asks on today’s you ask I answer, I’m not sure there’s a future for lead scoring

    lead scoring as we currently know, it

    isn’t great. But it’s better

    than complete blindness, modern lead scoring today’s lead scoring, it really should be called activities scoring, right when somebody is in our system will assign things by titles will assign things points by company size they work at and will assign them things that are activity based, like hey, you downloaded a white paper, you’re what attended a webinar.

    But today’s lead scoring is overly dependent on demographics and firma graphics, meaning you know this person’s age, or this person’s gender, or this person’s size of company, annual revenue, number of employees, all these things which are public data points that are built into a lot of CRM and marketing automation software,

    we score for things like title like cmo or vice president or SVP or whatever and and assign people higher points in our systems for those things.

    The problem is that a lot of these characteristics are really very, very basic qualifications. they qualify whether somebody can buy our product or service. The problem is with lead scoring as it is today. Just because somebody can buy doesn’t mean they’re willing to buy and certainly doesn’t mean they’re willing to buy from us.

    IBM codify this years ago in the 1960s with an acronym called BANT, which stands for budget authority need in time frame, does this prospect have the budget to buy our stuff? Do they have the authority to sign the deal? Do they have a need for our product or service? And do they have a a timeframe in which they’re looking to make a purchase Modern Marketing technology, it’s really interesting marketing automation of marketing technology has largely ignored band the way systems are structured, they just kind of assume that everybody is always qualified and ready to buy, right? Again, if you throw in all of your data, and it’s just analyzing firma graphics and demographics, and saying, well, they are the CMO of a fortune 500 company is clearly qualified to buy, right? Well, yes, they may have budgets, they probably have authority, but we have no idea about need, we have no idea about time frames. So should they be scored highly in the system? The answer is no. They we have no idea about three of the four characteristics of of this band acronym. And as much as sales professionals and especially vendors love to Pooh Pooh the band concept as being outdated. Well, no, we can’t even get our software to do it. And

    it’s, it’s still I think, a relevant way to to prioritize what you work on. So

    how

    can lead scoring change? What is the future of leads going another future of lead scoring two things is behavioral and contextual. understanding where a person is helps understand whether or not they like goodbye. And instead of lead scoring as an activity score. It’ll probably evolved to probabilities, it’ll probably evolved to to one or more percentages, zero to 100% along multiple dimensions, understand the band stuff still has to be in there, you still need the basics can this person a company even afford our stuff?

    If we’re selling 1,000

    an hour consulting and the person has1,000 total and they have an eight hour project, of course, they they can’t afford this thing. So the band data we’ll see important demographic and firma graphic will still be in there too, is just we won’t make those the primary considerations

    what will be primary considerations. A lot of again, contextual behavioral machine learning powered marketing automation will will create the next generation of lead scoring fed by API’s social graph data, public data, news data, which is incredibly unused within marketing automation software. Right now, you can pull data off of public news feeds about companies. And it’s just not being used hardly at all predictive analytics and significant training, taking the existing CRM data and all the information we have about a company as they were going through the buying process. For those deals that were successfully closed, we have to train our machine learning systems to recognize more things like that, as well as things that you know, may not be relevant. So, for example, let’s look at a couple of examples.

    Contextual and, and behavioral behavioral example, if someone’s an internet company, should the system discard them in a firma graphic system, absolutely the wrong title out they go, but in a contextual lead scoring system based on behavior, that intern might be the most valuable person in the pipeline because the CMOS not gonna be googling for SAS procurement software vendors she’s going to delegate that down plenty levels in the corporation it’s gonna end up on the internets desk the internal be like will tell the intern Hey, go research SAS procurement vendors than the intern will go Google it right and and pull it together shortlist the tiger like G to crowd or cap terror or something, put together a short list of all like the five companies in a little box and and put the end elevate that up the chain. And that’s what the CMO will see a good lead scoring system that understands context and behavior will take that into account like hey, the interns or the assistant of the coordinators, probably doing all the research and let’s make sure that they get research oriented information. Another example is time we systems do not take into account time real simple example yesterday was running a predictive forecast on the number of people searching for the term outlook out of office when someone’s searching that they’re about to go on vacation, right? How do I turn this feature on so I can leave the office and not checking email, right, when in the next few months is that search term going to peak it’s going to be the weeks of June 17 through the week of July 8. During those weeks, at least in the United States. The predictive analytics software says search intent veteran will be the highest it will be all year nobody’s going to be at their desk. No one’s going to be reading email. Well, far fewer people.

    And the next generation lead scoring system should take that into account. It should discount those weeks in its algorithms to nurture the nurture programs might automatically just turn off or throttle down for anything except highest value prospects. And anybody who does respond during that time, they should get an accelerated nurture program because frankly, if they’re not on vacation during those weeks, then the program be on vacation sometime shortly thereafter. So the system could either speed things up for those folks and again, a system that understands time and context if the internet is doing research and and trying to put together a shortlist you might have a much faster nurture program for that person. Rather than someone who’s a CMO, you might have a much longer nurture programs just keep awareness present, but not necessarily dumping the truck full of data on a desk. The intern needs that to do their job well in a search the CMO probably not as much so that’s what leads going for the most successful marketing automation companies will likely evolve to probabilities that will inform activities so that sales professionals do more of the right things at the right times with the right people. We’re not there yet. We’re far from there yet. There are not nearly as many systems using all this data Well, it will eventually get there and my guess is what probably some of the larger vendors or some of the most agile startups who are willing and able to experiment and ingest a lots of new data sources and run that machine learning training on the inside to see okay is is being mentioned in the news as an indicator of something is showing up on the layoff dot com an indicator that maybe you should be throttling back your your marketing automation can see where all these different data sources could come into place. So a great question so on a song in terms of the future, there absolutely is a future but it will look nothing like it does today. And it will be informed by machine learning and artificial intelligence to take into account behavior and context. As always, if you have a question for you ask I answer please leave you can leave at the comments you can click the link below to submit it that way. Subscribe to the YouTube channel and the email newsletter and I’ll talk to you soon. Take care

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  • You Ask, I Answer: How To Grow an Email List on a Small Budget

    You Ask, I Answer_ How To Grow an Email List on a Small Budget

    Jakub asks, “We have a small budget for marketing, barely more than a few dollars a month. How can we grow our email list?”

    Great and very common question. Let’s address what doesn’t work: spamming people. Now that that’s out of the way, let’s walk down the channels available to you. If we think of our email marketing as a product – it is – then we’re really thinking about product marketing. Email is the alternate sale – can’t get someone to buy today? Get their permission to solicit them at a later date.

    Given that, review the channels available to us:

    • Email (specifically, other people’s emails)
    • Search
    • Social
    • Referral
    • PPC
    • Display
    • Video
    • Audio

    Watch the video for a rundown of each. The display ad service I recommend is StackAdapt.

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    In today’s you ask I answered Jacob asked. I

    think it’s pronounced Jacob, we have a small budget for marketing barely more than a few dollars a month. How can we still grow our email list hope this is a great and very common question. First things first, let’s address what doesn’t work just spamming people that don’t do it that it is against the law in most places now and it will be really against the law after May 25 when GDP are takes a full effect and the you can start handing out massive penalties or just nilly soliciting to people who have not asked for it. So don’t do it now that that’s out of the way, let’s walk down the channels that are available to us as marketers email is the alternate sale. I spent four years working in the email marketing industry and it really is the alternate sales. You can’t get somebody to buy something from you today on whatever early on, then get their permission to solicit them at a later date through their email address also email is one of the few digital channels you own, as long as you pay your bills for your hosting service and you pay your bills for your email service that list is yours is not like Facebook or Twitter or LinkedIn or YouTube or whatever. Those are all rented platforms email is the list that you own for it and can use judiciously as much as you want. So how do we grow subscribers to an email list. They were really eight channels that you can use email

    search social referral Pay Per Click display advertising video and audio so email.

    It seems odd to have that listed when you’re trying to grow your list, but you can use other people’s emails you can do swaps, so if you know of somebody else who has an email

    list an email newsletter, you can ask to contribute content, you can ask to do a co promotion of some kind. You can pay a small amount of money for access to a small list. Obviously, the bigger the list, the

    bigger the budget but if as long as it’s the right list or the right audience, it’s it makes good sense. So working away into other people’s emails is is one option to search search marketing particularly organic search if your newsletter page and your blog content and all that stuff is not optimized for email do it. Oh. One other thing I forgot an email think put

    your email newsletter in your signature of your email.

    You’d be surprised how well that works

    on search if you are not blogging. If you’re not creating content if you’re not attracting people to your owned media properties, you’re missing an opportunity to display essentially ads for your newsletter within your own content you see this in on my blog and stuff all over the place, trying to get you on the email list because I want to be able to reach out at a later date. So optimize your content do a lot of SEO, make sure that you know that’s essentially free traffic. Well, it’s not free, but it’s it’s not traffic at a hard dollar cost or hard currency cost. Number three, social media, make connections network participate in in online chats join groups and things but don’t harass people to to, you know, just sign up your email list provide value first and then once you’ve provided good amount of value to whatever group organization or community, you’re part of then you earn the right to ask for people to sign up for your newsletter, a very simple way to do this go on to different q&a forms like core and asked calm and just answers and and and contribute give gift of way Get known and make sure that in your profile and your bio and stuff. There is a link to your email list so do the same thing for your social media to if your Instagram bio and your Twitter bio and your Facebook bio don’t have a link to your email list and that’s a priority for your company, put it in there make sure that people can find their way back to the thing that you care about the most number four is referral traffic. This is public relations. This is outreach. This is byline content. Make sure again whenever you’re submitting content that you have in your little blurb at the end the wrong thing. It will sign up for the authors free email list every however often you’re going to send it so that you’re getting links to your subscription page. By the way, you need to have a really good subscription page but that’s a topic for a different time. If you are not sure where to start for referral traffic. The best place to go. It is help a reporter calm sign up for the three times a day email read through it and respond to

    relevant inquiries where you have expertise and can contribute an answer to a journalist

    number five. Pay Per Click marketing and number six display marketing for Pay Per Click marketing focus on you know obviously if you’re in the coffee industry, you know, coffee newsletter would be a good example of something that you would want to bid on but more importantly for these two platforms and really for paid social as well retargeting is absolutely essential. You need to be using the services like stack adapt

    like Google AdWords retargeting Facebook retargeting and so on so forth and you specifically want to read target people

    who have been to your website and possibly you may want to get as granular as people who have visited your subscription page but have not subscribed and that’s a good way to use if you got like 25 bucks a month or something like that you’d want to use the budget just war, though, that type of retargeting and not spend it on any other kind of broad advertising because those people are eminently qualified if they went to your subscription page and they forgot about it or whatever and didn’t subscribe remind them that you want them to do that. Two more channels video

    is obviously a channel that you can use create valuable useful helpful videos then make sure you that you apply your newsletter in in the video and in the notes that go with the video so there’s a clickable link out and audio. If you have a podcast. It is having a newsletter call to action, your podcast is a logical intelligent thing to do if you have a little bit more budget, you know, when we say small budget. I’m talking like 50 bucks or 100 bucks or 75 euros a month. If you have more than that. And you may want to look at actual audio ads Spotify has a self serve ad platform now where you can I think it’s like 300 bucks a month us to to run ads platform. So there’s opportunities there as well.

    But all these channels work best when you’re doing them together so you can’t just pick one. I mean, you can just pick one, but you’re going to get a multiplier effect by doing things like search and referral and social and blogging and ads and video and email together. The more that you can do these different channels and co promoting cross promote among them, the more impactful your marketing will be and the more likely it is you’ll get people to sign on to your email list. The last thing which is the most important thing is don’t email the email that you send out has to be valuable and has to be worth people’s time to open it, because otherwise. One thing that will happen is that people will sign up for your email read one email and then unsubscribe and then all of your efforts were were pointless right what you need to do is provide 80% of the email should be about value to the reader and then 20%, you can ask for something in return, but you want to really make sure that you’re providing value in the email so that a people don’t unsubscribe and be ideally people refer you to other people and say, Hey, sign up for this newsletter, it’s actually worth reading so many newsletters and so many email marketers really mess that last part up they do all this work to get the and then they burn the list down on the first send because it’s just one gigantic sales message there is a time and a place for promotional sales message, my colleague Gary van der Chuck calls it Jab, Jab, Jab, Right Hook you give value a lot. And then once every so often you ask for value in return. Don’t ask up front. It’s just like dating you don’t go straight to the marriage you you have a precursor of activities that that lead up to that. So that’s how you build your email list on a few dollars a month. There is no such thing as free right there will be a very low currency needs like the retargeting stuff, but there is no completely free. There is the investment of your time to if you’re spending 40 hours a week trying to do free marketing for your email marketing. That’s 40 hours. You could have been doing something else too. So keep that in mind. Great question. Jacob. Hey, as always, subscribe to the email newsletter in the links below or above depending on whether it’s on LinkedIn, it’s up here if it’s on YouTube. It’s down here but subscribe to the email list, please. And subscribe to the YouTube channel and I’ll talk to you soon. Take care.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: How to Learn Marketing Automation

    You Ask, I Answer_ How to Learn Marketing Automation

    Seth asks, “How do you gain experience with automation software (Marketo/HubSpot/etc.) when it’s not part of your job, and there aren’t any free versions to build tests from? Or are there? Thanks!”

    Great question! There ARE some free and very low cost solutions you can use to teach yourself marketing automation.

    If you’re completely new to marketing automation, I recommend Hubspot’s demo account and Hubspot Academy.

    If you’ve got marketing automation experience or have mastered everything Hubspot offers without paying for it, I recommend installing and learning the open-source package Mautic.

    Hubspot is easy. Self-hosted, open-source Mautic is painfully hard. Once you master the two, there’s no marketing automation system you can’t conquer.

    Watch the video for details and what proves you’re a true marketing technologist.

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    In today’s you ask I answer Seth asks, How do you gain experience with marketing automation software like Marquette oh and HubSpot when it’s not part of your job and there aren’t any free versions to build tests. From where are there. Thanks. Great question. Seth there actually are a couple of either free or very low cost marketing automation solutions, you can use to teach yourself marketing automation, the first place I would start if you’re brand new to marketing automation. You haven’t had any exposure to it would actually be HubSpot so HubSpot in its Academy. If you go to Academy that HubSpot dot com has a completely free version of their software and you actually sign up for that free demo account as part of the training courses and things so you get a chance to use some of the different features.

    Some of them are locked out because obviously you’re not a paying customer, but the basics are there and enough to complete the training.

    You can even use that demo account in production. So if you have a personal blog. For example,

    you can go ahead and install your HubSpot marketing automation CRM software

    in your personal blog and at least get a chance to see how it works. It will probably be you filling out your forms and you know the test forms stuff and that way you can get experienced with things like segmentation and lead scoring actually no lead scoring is paid feature in public

    and so on and so forth and so that’s one option that I think that’s a great option if you are a an absolute beginner at marketing automation, that’s a great place to start because going through HubSpot Academy will give you all the basics you need it is I would say it is as important today as Google’s analytics Academy is for loving the analytic side for learning marketing automation CRM HubSpot Academy is the way to go

    next it once you’ve got the basics down and you want to try all the features and you don’t want to pay for it or you can’t pay for it because it’s not cheap.

    I would use the self hosted version of a package called Ma Ma UTI seen a link in the show notes mark in the self hosted not the cloud hosted do it for me version, but the self hosted download the open source software install it on my server version give you full access to all the features contexts going lead scoring workflows segmentation, you know, emails, social and stuff like that.

    It is free. Besides, whatever your server hosting costs are for

    demonstration purposes I would use the melodic bit Nami Google Cloud version which is will run you like four bucks a month. It is a pain to use is a pain

    to set up things go wrong all the time on the back end,

    which means that if you

    successfully deployed successfully running keep it running for like six months or more just on your on your on your personal website or something like that and you send that and you use it for the basis of an email newsletter that you send to people who read your blog, even if it’s only two people. It’s still fine,

    you will gain so much valuable knowledge and be a a really a proven marketing technologist, if you can get the thing

    I

    would say if I saw somebody profile like yo successfully deployed and installed self hosted model for a year and got you know even halfway decent results. I’d be like, Okay, this person clearly knows what they’re talking about. Because that package

    breaks so many ways,

    but it’s inexpensive. That’s the thing. So for like a non profit, for example, Monique is a good choice because if you have someone on staff who’s technical because you’re going to pay five bucks a month for it, which is great. It’s just, it breaks a lot. So

    there’s a reason why the why cloud hosting and all this stuff is is so popular now because nobody wants to work anymore. So that’s the other package I would learn from and between HubSpot and model they cover all the major features are marketing automation again contacts components segmentation workflows all the different channels leads going and point assignment sinking sinking with your CRM and those two things combined will let you understand the architecture and the key

    concepts of marketing automation and once you’ve got those then if somebody drops you into Marcato or eloquent or par dot

    you’ll have to learn the nuances of those little pack of those packages, but for the most part, you’ll, you’ll have an idea of what what it’s called. Right. You won’t be just completely blind. So that’s where I would go I would start with HubSpot learn and become competent at HubSpot but the demo account and then when you’ve reached the extent of all the features that you can use for free. That was, but then take the plunge go into doing self hosted model and get

    the experience of the rest of the features that HubSpot doesn’t let you use for free.

    You’ll be off and running. And again, like I said, it is a badge of honor. If you can get it running and keep it running for six months

    on the self hosted version you have proven that you are truly a marketing technologist. Great question. Seth. Thanks for asking. As always please subscribe to the newsletter and the YouTube channel and I’ll talk to you soon. Take care.

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