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  • You Ask, I Answer: Advanced Social Media Strategy Tip?

    You Ask, I Answer: Advanced Social Media Strategy Tip?

    Anna asks, “Would you mind sharing a social media strategy tip that advanced marketers could use to improve their clients’ results?”

    Advanced is a relative term, but sure. The biggest question that challenges agencies is, what exactly are the results you’re being paid for? Once you’ve got that figured out, then use attribution analysis to guide your overall social media strategy.

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    In today’s episode asks, would you mind sharing a social media strategy tip that advanced marketers could use to improve their clients results? advanced is a relative term.

    The challenge about asking for advanced tips is it really depends on what you mean by advanced.

    But Sure, let’s do something that is a little more advanced than the average market is probably going to be doing.

    Here’s the thing with agencies with social media and with results.

    Very, very, very few clients and agencies are really clear on the results they’re trying to achieve on behalf of a client.

    If you are not clear about that, and you don’t have any way of measuring it, then you’re going to produce results and strategies and tactics that are effectively meaningless, that they’re at best cranking out vanity metrics.

    And then you have no mathematical proof that the thing that you’re doing has any impact on the business.

    So the prerequisite to this tip is that you’ve got to have things like solid web analytics in place with goals and goal values that are connected to the business that have meaning.

    If you are being paid just to crank out followers or engagements or mentions, then there really isn’t a whole lot of advanced strategy to that.

    Because the results not particularly advanced, right? where things get advanced is when you start connecting your social media results to actual business results.

    And being able to demonstrate Yes, this thing that we’re doing actually matters.

    So what is something like that look like? Well, on my own website, I have a bunch of conversions, you can buy a book, sign up for newsletter, etc.

    And what I want to know is, what of the activities I’m doing actually matter.

    Right? What stuff has meaning as helping me achieve my goals.

    So let’s go ahead and bring this up here.

    This is a data driven customer journey, something that Trust Insights produces for its clients.

    Now, what you’re looking at here is an attribution model.

    It’s an attribution models for digital channels, derived from Google Analytics data.

    And the premise is that as with things like sports, just because somebody a player scores the the goal, or the basket or the point or whatever, doesn’t mean that the other people on the team didn’t have some kind of participation in that right, very, very few sports are played, where there’s one person who does all the work, and everybody else just kind of sits on the bench and watches, right.

    Tennis, I guess would be, but it’s not a team sport.

    So like basketball, hockey, American football, European football, all these all these players on the field.

    And the question that a lot of coaches want to understand is what is what are the synergies between those players? Is there somebody who’s a really good, you know, it’s got really good passing game in basketball, and can get the ball to the person who can shoot.

    When we look at attribution models and marketing, a lot of the times, they’re all what’s called last touch.

    So again, you’re looking at the last person who touched the ball before the basket went in.

    Well, that ignores the fact that that person can’t take the shot, if the ball never gets to them.

    A good attribution model, a more sophisticated attribution model looks at the interplay between all the different players.

    So in this case, what we’re looking at here are the different sources and mediums for things that contribute to conversions on my website.

    And it may not be the last thing somebody did.

    In fact, it probably is not something somebody did a good amount of the time, but it was it played such a pivotal role.

    Any one of these things listed on this chart that it helped along a conversion.

    And that helps us better set things like budgets and resources.

    So when I look at this, I’ve color coded here by things like social media, or referral traffic, etc.

    And we see that that magenta, I guess, this magenta color, Twitter about line six, is responsible for 2.1% of the conversions on my website, right.

    Now, keep in mind, I post on stuff like LinkedIn, and Facebook, and Pinterest and all these different websites frequently, right? But Twitter here is the one that’s generating traffic and conversions.

    Facebook is way down to the bottom here.

    See, it’s like fifth from the bottom is Facebook.

    And YouTube is kind of in the middle of the pack.

    So at least I’m doing something right with YouTube, but these videos, but it’s still not generating the same kind of results that Twitter is.

    So for me, when I’m talking about my social media strategy that generates results I have to do is look at this chart and go Now I know what’s generating conversions for me.

    And here’s the question.

    And this is where your strategy goes up a level, you see the results in a chart like this.

    Now, the question is, how does that match with the effort and the resources you’re putting into it? If Twitter is my number six performing channel, but as number three in terms of consuming budget, there’s a problem, right? If YouTube is number one on 11, or 12, on here, but it’s number 14 on my budget list, right? Like I pay no money, I give YouTube no time, then that would be a good thing, right? That would suggest, hey, maybe that mismatch means there’s an A results arbitrage opportunity, if I put minimal impact into YouTube now.

    I mean, if I put minimal effort into YouTube now, and I’m getting this impact, what would happen if I scaled up my effort, vice versa? If I look at Twitter, when I say ha, I’m putting, you know, 10% of my effort into Twitter, and I’m only getting 2% of the results.

    That’s not a good sign.

    Right.

    So with really good attribution analysis with effective attribution analysis, you can judge the relative ratios of the effort and the results that you’re getting for any of your marketing channels, but especially social media channels.

    And we want to do this at the individual channel level, because a lot of the times, particularly for large organizations, you may have a different team even that runs Facebook, then Twitter, then YouTube, then Instagram.

    And if you don’t have your data split out like this, it’s harder to get at that.

    Now, can you do this with Google Analytics in the interface? No, this is something that has to be done outside of Google Analytics, because Google Analytics does not have the processing capability to offer to users to give them this report, in a timely fashion, they could absolutely do it.

    But it would just be like, go get a sandwich and get the support later.

    And so that’s what makes this advanced is you need to write code to talk to the Google Analytics API to get the data out to run this analysis.

    Unless you’re using the new Google Analytics for In which case, you should be talking to your BigQuery database to get the same information out.

    But that’s what makes it advanced.

    It’s, there’s a technical barrier to entry.

    And then there’s what you do with the data.

    If you just look at this and go, ha, that’s cool.

    And then you move on with your day, and you don’t change anything that this has no value.

    Right? It’s like any metrics, you look at it, you don’t change what you do, has no value, what Seth Godin says, if you don’t change what you eat, or how often you exercise, don’t get on scale, right? Same thing with analytics, if you’re not going to change what you do and how you spend and what your strategy is, you don’t need analytics, right? Because the data doesn’t inspire a decision.

    The advanced part of this comes from making a decision from our data.

    In this case, I’m going to say, hey, emails working really well.

    What can I do with more email? Right? I’m not spending a lot of money on it.

    I’m not spending a lot of time on it compared to the time I spend on YouTube every day, right? Or on video every day.

    Maybe I should be doing a daily newsletter instead.

    I’m into interesting things to ponder.

    So that’s it advanced social media strategy tip for the advanced marketer.

    And if you’re not at this point yet, in terms of being able to create these reports, hey, hit me up.

    We do them for for clients, and then you have to do the decision making based on them.

    If you had follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: 2021 Data-Driven Marketing Strategy?

    You Ask, I Answer: 2021 Data-Driven Marketing Strategy?

    Magdalena asks, “How have decision-making processes changed as we look at marketing in 2021? What’s your data-driven perspective?”

    As we plan for the year ahead, we have to look at three sources of data:
    – macro data such as the pandemic
    – audience behavioral data
    – our first party data

    The challenge with all three is that we still have no baseline. The environment we’re operating in is still very fluid and unpredictable.

    We cannot rely on past data earlier than the pandemic. That world is gone and isn’t coming back.

    You Ask, I Answer: 2021 Data-Driven Marketing Strategy?

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    In today’s episode, Magdalena asks, how have decision making processes changed as we look at marketing in 2021? What’s your data driven perspective, it’s that time of year where we’re doing 2021, planning and trying to do our forecasting and stuff.

    And as we plan for the year ahead, we have to look at a bunch of different things in order to make any kind of decisions.

    And I’ll tell you upfront, it’s gonna be harder than ever, this year to do any really effective forecasting no matter what business you’re in.

    Because of the macro environment, we are still, as of the time of this recording, not only in a global pandemic button, a worsening one, and that is changing a lot of the environment that we operate in, it’s just the way things are right now.

    And so for the year ahead, we’re gonna really need to look at three different classes of data.

    The first class of data is macro data.

    So this is macro economic data, societal data.

    The most obvious thing here would be, for example, with regard to the pandemic, the severity of it, in terms of all the data around the pandemic is relevant and important.

    It will guide a lot of our decision making.

    For example, as of yesterday, the United Kingdom announced a lockdown.

    So they are changing how they’re operating parts of Europe, Spain, etc, have gone into lockdown.

    And so that changes the business environment, right.

    Depending on the phase you are in and your your regions reopening will dictate what kinds of business you can and can’t do.

    If you represent, for example, restaurants, things.

    A lockdown is a very different operating environment than a partially restricted environment.

    So we have to pay attention to that data, we have to pay attention to other macroeconomic data, things like here in the United States, we have the Federal Reserve Bank publishing data like household savings, unemployment, and underemployment, household income, all these data points that give us a sense of what’s happening in the broad world out there.

    Because what’s happening at the macro level, obviously changes every business.

    In the beginning of the pandemic, it was very much b2c data that was heavily impacted.

    But now, you know, eight, nine months in, we’re looking at the ripple effects of those challenges on the b2b supply chain.

    So every business without exception is being impacted in some way.

    The second thing we have to look at is audience behavioral data.

    And this helps us clue into what’s going on with our target population.

    This is stuff like social media data.

    How interactive is our audience? how engaged is our audience? Not with us specifically, but just in general? If you have already put together like a focus groups of your ideal prospects, and you’re monitoring them on Twitter as a Twitter list, you should be looking at the activity level.

    What are they talking about? What are the topics that are top of mind? Again, as the time of this recording, we’re about to head into an election in the United States, it is one of the biggest topics of discussion right now.

    It’s kind of drowning out everything.

    That has been for quite some time.

    So we need to keep that in mind.

    What is our audience searching for? So search data is absolutely vital.

    If we don’t have good access to search data, to what our audience is searching for, we’re going to be blind, right.

    And again, we have to be very careful that we’re using data that is current.

    And then the third pool of data is our first party data.

    This is our web analytics, our marketing automation data, our CRM data, and decision making processes for building a data driven marketing strategy have to look at all three pools of data, have to look for correlations in that data, and then, to the best of your ability run any types of tests of causality to figure out if there are the changes that you’re seeing in the larger data sets are reflected in the smaller data.

    So big changes in behavioral data.

    And when it comes to organic search for your industry sector.

    Do you see that impacting your company’s SEO, that’s something you have to establish.

    The challenge with all three sets of data is that we don’t really have a baseline.

    We have not had a baseline since March of 2020.

    The op the environment we operate in is very fluid, very unpredictable.

    It is constantly changing.

    And it’s constantly changing in ways that impact our businesses.

    There’s always been, you know, a plethora of data there’s always been a bunch of things happening in the world but never to the this extent.

    In modern times in modern data driven marketing times have we had this much disruption all at once.

    And so we have to do two things.

    One, when it comes to 2121 planning, do not rely on data earlier than the pandemic start.

    Right? If you are looking at, you know, trying to forecast based on the last few years of data, it’s gonna be really risky to do that.

    At least not without a lot of data science and statistical work to D noise, some stuff in trying to accommodate for changes can be very difficult to use pre pandemic data, because fundamentally, the world itself, the underlying structure has changed.

    Right? There’s things that we don’t do any more even, like, if you are a lipstick company, guess what, you got people wearing masks, not as many as I would like, personally, but and that probably has impacted your your sales, right? So we can’t rely on data earlier than the pandemic, that world is gone, it’s not coming back.

    Even after the pandemic ends, even after we have vaccines distributed, and it’s reasonably safe to be out and about, again, some things are not going to change companies have discovered that, you know, having at least some part of the workforce work from home as a cost savings.

    So telework got a big shot in the arm.

    conferences and events are not gonna be the same for a while.

    A lot of businesses have closed, a lot of businesses have opened.

    And so the world itself is that used to be prior to March 2020, is isn’t coming back.

    So we have to acknowledge that we have to acknowledge that in our forecasting.

    The second thing we need to be doing is, from a data driven perspective on 2021, you’ve got to have really good near real time data, and be doing near real time analysis, you’ve got to be looking at your analytics way more frequently they happen if your company culture has been the sort that you know, runs quarterly reports, that is much too slow, much, much too slow.

    Your cadence should be at the pace of the I personally think should be at the pace of whatever the top couple steps in your marketing operations funnel are right, if it’s seven days from process, you know, from audience to prospect on your website, or wherever your systems are, that should be your monitoring interval, if not shorter, because things change.

    And things are changing so fast that if you’re not tracking and analyzing and watching data, you risk you really risk missing things that could either be substantial advantages, in terms of trends that you could contribute something meaningful to, or substantial risks, and other ground changes under you.

    And by the time your sales, people pick up the phone and say, Hey, marketing, you know, the the number of leads has really dropped off, it might be too late to make a change, right, it might be too late to pivot.

    So you’ve got to be looking at data at fast intervals.

    Use the tools that you have available to us, you know, Google Analytics use social media data, you search data to see how your audience is changing.

    Maybe even think about putting together like a near real time dashboard, a daily dashboard.

    And just looking for those those odd little drop offs and things that tell you hey, something’s up.

    Something’s not right.

    So that’s sort of my perspective on how our decision making has to change for data driven marketing.

    And as we go into 2021 look at those three sorts of sets of data.

    Don’t rely on data before the pandemic and really look at increasing the cadence the frequency at which you analyze your data.

    If you have follow up questions, leave the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Finding Ideal Audience on Twitter?

    You Ask, I Answer: Finding Ideal Audience on Twitter?

    Erika asks, “How do you find your ideal audience on Twitter?”

    Twitter is one of the easiest networks to map and understand. Using techniques like network graphing, you can quickly find the engaged, interested audience you care about for your business, on any topic. Watch the video for an example.

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    In today’s episode, Erica asks, How do you find your ideal audience on Twitter? Well, I guess it depends on how you define an ideal audience.

    But Twitter is one of the easiest networks to map and understand that API is relatively generous with information.

    And it contains information that is incredibly valuable.

    And that information is how different users interact with each other.

    If I tweet at you, Twitter presents data that allows me to map out one part of the network, talk to another part of the network, and vice versa.

    That’s not something that you can get at all out of LinkedIn, can’t get it really out of Facebook, Instagram, you can sorta get it but only if you have access to the Instagram Data API, which not many people do any more.

    Can’t do that on Pinterest.

    So that’s one of the reasons why Twitter forms the backbone of most influencer mapping tools, in fact, arguably a little too much, a little bit too much, because it’s the most visible of networks.

    So what is it that you would look for in an ideal audience, you would look for an audience that is topically relevant, you would look for an audience that is highly engaged.

    And you look for an audience, it’s mostly human, right? That’s those are really the kinds of things that you’d want to be looking for, to understand.

    And follow those folks.

    Because they’re the ones who that would then be interacting with you, and their interactions with you and make you visible to their audiences.

    Right? It’s the whole Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon thing where if you’re visible, and they’re visible, and so on, and so forth, you can be seen by many more people than you might think.

    So how do we find this? Well, let’s switch things around here.

    Let’s move over to our our visual display here.

    The first thing we would need to do, and this is not shown on screen is get the data out of the Twitter API.

    You can do this with social media monitoring tools, I use Talkwalker, you can query the API directly.

    If you have programming skills.

    Once you get that information out of the API, you map it to.

    It’s basically a big spreadsheet of who talks to whom this over and over again, all these different conversations.

    And what you end up with is this kind of chart.

    This is a network graph.

    And this is a bunch of tweet chats about SEO, social media, public relations communications, for the last month, I’m going to go ahead and hit the Run button here.

    And let’s turn off our strong gravity here.

    And what we’re mapping is how people interact with each other and zoom out a little bit.

    And you can see there are some nodes that are bigger, they’re a larger nodes, because those are nodes that people talk to more.

    And there are some nodes that are small will have a lot of outgoing connections.

    Those are very talkative people who are talking to others.

    Right.

    This is also by the way, the backbone of influencer identification, who is the most talked about, right, because whoever’s the most talked about that account clearly has the attention of a lot of people.

    And if your brand your handle whatever was mentioned or talked about by that node, there’s a good chance a lot of people would see it.

    And they’re the right kind of people.

    They’re the kind of people who they are.

    Their team.

    tastemakers, right, they’re mavens, if you want to use the Malcolm Gladwell term, when they talk, everybody listens.

    And so when we’re doing our audience construction, we would want to follow everybody on in this chart here.

    But especially if we can win over those big accounts.

    So let’s go ahead and stop this now that the network is formed and move over to our preview mode.

    And let’s make this look attractive.

    Okay, so now we can see all these different networks.

    Now, if I care more about, say SEO, this green audience is definitely the SEMrush audience and I’d want to follow them and all these people who are in their audience, I care about content marketing, as you see my here.

    There’s an awful lot of you know, this purple ish magenta ish audience.

    Again, folks that didn’t want to spend a lot of time following if I cared about things like communications, public relations, SF Erica and this, this cluster here would be the people to follow.

    So what we see is let’s zoom into the blue cluster here.

    We’ve got some additional folks in this you know, lightest blue cluster, I’m not sure what account they’re most associated with, but we can see those these different communities within the Twitter chat room.

    That would want to engage with follow all the people who are in the green community or the purple community or the great dark gray community.

    Now, you do have us on Twitter, that’s of course not, you would put in the industry search terms of your choice into your social media monitoring tool to extract the raw data out.

    If it’s industrial, concrete, or coffee shops, or b2b, SaaS, firewalls, whatever the thing is, finding your ideal audience is identifying who’s talking about the topic, how they interact with each other.

    And then following the people who are the most interactive in that topic, right.

    That’s how you find your ideal audience.

    Those are, that’s how you make your account grow in a sensible way.

    Because you’re talking about and to the people who are having conversations about your, your topics and keywords.

    This is especially powerful if your industry has terms or words or jargon that other people don’t use, right, I used to work in financial aid.

    And there’s this form that many parents know that nobody likes the FAFSA, the Free Application for Federal Student Aid, that is a term that you don’t use, except in the context of financial aid.

    And so following everybody who uses that term, and then mapping out that conversation cloud and finding who the most influential people about that term would be a great way to very quickly grow an account, say if you were creating a social media account about student loans and financial aid.

    That’s how you do that.

    If you are in email marketing, there are the three protocols SPF dcam, and demark.

    If you were trying to grow an email marketing account, following people who are using those terms, would be a clear and easy way to map out that audience and understand who the big names who are the most talked about in that particular audience.

    So having that jargon, makes it very easy to slice and dice down.

    Same with hashtags.

    If you have a major trade show once a year, taking that trade shows hashtag, and then seeing who’s having conversations, especially this year 2020, when all the shows are virtual, and many are free, you can map out and see people having conversations about a show that they might not have paid to go to in the past, but because it’s free and online this year, you can see those conversations, map them out, and then build your audience from there.

    So that’s how you find your ideal audience.

    Now, the bad news is that this process, there isn’t an off the shelf boxed product, right.

    This is typically something you have to do yourself or hire somebody to do it for you.

    Because it’s connecting three or four different technologies together, gluing them together, and building this map.

    But once you do it, and once you have, you know, you’ve collected the data, you don’t have to do this every single day, right, you can effectively pull up the spreadsheet for this, you get out of it an output that looks just like a any ordinary spreadsheet.

    And with all the different rankings of who’s most important within your your space.

    And that is your starting point, right? You have all the handles, and you can just go through, go down and start following people and see you know how your audience goes based on who follows you back and then it’s up to you to have interactions with these people.

    Right? So the most follow the most engaged folks, you don’t just follow them and expect magic happen.

    You have to go and do the work right? You have to go and engage with people.

    You have to have conversations, share their stuff, everything that you would any public relations professional, but no, it’s like these are the things I need to do to get the attention of the tastemakers in my industry, following them, engaging with them be sharing their stuff, retweeting them, commenting, liking their stuff, all that kind of thing to build your network.

    So that’s the last part of the process is doing the work to engage that ideal audience.

    But this is how you do it.

    If you want to do it as fast as possible and as effective as possible.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Measuring Social Media Impact on SEO?

    You Ask, I Answer: Measuring Social Media Impact on SEO?

    Sergey asks, “Is it possible to measure the impact of your social media on SEO? If so, how would you do this?”

    I’d look at content which has been socially shared and its SEO performance versus content that has not been. Using the SEO tool of your choice, extract the data and look at the difference in the metrics to get a sense of the correlation, then set up a testing plan to establish causality.

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    In today’s episode, Sergei asks, Is it possible to measure the impact of your social media on SEO? If so, how would you do this? So that’s a good question is one that comes up a lot? Can we make any informed guesses about how social and SEO may work together? Can we see an effect of social media on SEO? That’s a really good question.

    And there are a few different ways to handle this.

    The Gold Standard would be to set up a trial to set up an experiment to create some content that is socially shared, and some content that is not.

    Here’s the challenge, you don’t have control over the audience, right? If you publish a blog post, and your audience follows it, and they start sharing it, well guess what they technically ruined your experiment, even if you didn’t want that shared, because that’s just the nature of how social media works.

    So to judge whether or not social media and SEO have any kind of relationship we have to do.

    It’s essentially propensity matching to try and create, in retrospect, those two sets of data, one set of blog posts or content of any kind, that has not been shared, and one set that has been.

    So how do you do this? Well, we would take data from the SEO tool of your choice, I’m going to use h refs here, which is one of the tools I like using, and let’s go ahead and type in my blog here.

    And what I get is, you know, some of the blog posts on my website, and let’s go ahead and remove that filter there.

    And when you look at this, in depth, when you look this up close, what you get are the traffic, that a site gets the number of referring domains to that URL, which is a good SEO indicator, right? Because we know that referring links and referring domains are still the bulk of what constitutes good SEO, and then the social shares for any given post.

    So what do we do with this information? Well, it’s difficult to do a mathematical analysis like this just as is because you’re going to run into what are called balance problems.

    Especially if you’re dealing with marketing content, or stuff that’s been marketed to people, again, you don’t have control over who shares what so you’re going to get an imbalanced data set where more content has been shared, and probably that has not been.

    So in order to get a true apples to apples comparison, we have to separate out similar apples from both buckets.

    Apples, in this case, content that has been shared content has not been shared, that are similarly shaped, right, if again, if you think about physical apples, if you’re trying to compare, you know, the average health of apples, you have one basket of apples, where the apples of the size of basketballs and the other basket where the apples of size golf balls, you’re going to get a very different result, even if there’s tactically the same number of apples in each basket, because they’re just wildly different.

    So in order to get a true compassion, we will want to find blog content, or whatever content that has similar traffic, or similar referring domains or other similar SEO measures, and some and similar social stuff together.

    So here’s how we do this.

    We start by going in the data.

    And then we essentially pair it up, you know, one to one for data that does that is similar, and that, and then we look at the difference between those two datasets.

    So what we see for this match data is that for content that has been socially shared, we’re gonna call that our treatment group.

    Because we’re going to look for any number of shares in Twitter, Facebook, or Pinterest, the lump that together and call that a one like yes, this has been socialized, socially shared, and they’re all three rows of zero, we call it a zero, like has not been shared.

    So we have our control, the stuff has not been shared, we have retreated, the stuff that has been shared.

    When we look at the traffic, what are the traffic differences? For stuff that has not been shared, on average, 38 visits from organic search on stuff that has been shared ad visits from organic search on the traffic on the number of free domains 10 referring domains on average, the mean for non shared 46 for shared.

    Now, what does this tell us? This tells us that stuff that has been shared tends to have better SEO metrics out of this pool.

    In this case, this was 36,000 pieces of content.

    In this particular selected group.

    Now, this is marketing content, right, largely to marketers.

    And so you would have to run this on your own content, right on your own website, with your own social metrics to do the same thing but for your stuff.

    This is not gospel.

    This is not generalizable This is mostly my stuff.

    And so I see that for my SEO efforts, social sharing seems to have a beneficial relationship to it.

    Now, here’s the catch.

    This is retrospective, right? And this is as good as you can get with causality.

    Unless you actually set up that experiment you eat again, even then you have no control over what other people do so like the other people can mess up your experiment.

    So by doing this kind of matching, this is as close as we can get in with real world data.

    I take this away to say that sharing has benefits for my SEO.

    And in some cases, like the number of referring domains, it’s substantial, right? It’s it’s a decent chunk of stuff.

    What do I do with this information? I keep sharing, right? If I saw that, there was no change between the control and the treatment.

    In my data.

    I go, you know, it doesn’t seem like you’re actively sharing and promoting stuff on social media has an impact.

    But I do I know, I, I share an awful lot on social media.

    And so I see the benefits of it here.

    This is how to measure that impact to get a sense of is it working? The challenge here is it doesn’t tell you necessarily ways that you can measure the say in an application like Google Analytics, we had to pull an SEO data from social data from a third party application.

    I would want to ideally substitute in Google Analytics data, if possible to match things up by URLs because Google Analytics has better data.

    And you can get paid level organic search data straight out of Google Analytics.

    So that’s the approach I would take to find out, does social media have any kind of impact on your SEO? And again, I can’t emphasize strongly enough, this is my data from my websites under my control.

    This is not other people’s stuff, your answer will vary.

    Your answer will vary.

    So please don’t assume that this applies to you.

    Right, you have to run this test for yourself.

    But it’s a good question.

    And and it is a statistically challenging question to answer.

    There are a number of techniques that try to take real world data and backfit it essentially into an experiment like setting to get a more clear answer.

    This is one of the better methods, it’s called propensity score matching.

    But you have to do it for yourself, you cannot rely on a third party to do it.

    You can’t even rely on an industry, industry level survey because again, everybody’s gonna be different.

    Right? What IBM does on its website, it’s gonna be very different than what I do with my website.

    And their content is different than that’s, you know, what marketingprofs does on their website is very different from what’s on my website.

    And so we have to, we have to do apples to apples with our own stuff as much as possible and not look to general industry examples.

    So good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Social Media Engagement and SEO?

    You Ask, I Answer: Social Media Engagement and SEO?

    Sofia asks, “Do social media likes, shares, and comments have an impact on SEO?”

    This is a tricky question to answer because the answer will be different for every company. Broadly, we’ve studied in the past and see no clear correlation, but it’s something you have to test for yourself.

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    In today’s episode, Sophia asks, do social media likes shares and comments have an impact on SEO? Well, so this is a tricky question, because the answer is going to be different for everyone.

    A long time ago, we did a big analysis of 10s of thousands of websites, and social shares and stuff like that.

    And broadly found there was not a strong correlation between social media activity and SEO.

    That said, it varies, it varies by company and by how you use search, because remember, the strongest predictor of SEO results is typically the number of inbound links that you get.

    If you are conducting your social media strategy for that purpose, getting people to find your content, getting people to link to your content, social media may very well deliver a strong SEO result.

    If on the other hand, you just sharing stuff and things and, and having conversations and being active in your community, then it may not have as strong result for SEO purposes.

    And I think that’s a really important thing to say is for SEO purposes, you have to measure very specific outcomes, as opposed to just general traffic, etc.

    So how would you know this? How would you know this? Well, the way to determine this is by using statistical tools to test you need your page view data from Google Analytics, you need your paid organic page searches from Google Analytics to see if you’re getting search traffic.

    And you need some kind of SEO metric like page authority page authority is available from almost every SEO tool out there.

    h refs, which is the tool that I use, delivers that so to do the others like SEMrush, and Moz, all these other ones.

    And, again, what we’re looking for is what has the highest mathematical relationship to that.

    So let’s flip this around here.

    What I’ve done is I’ve gone into my database, and I’ve pulled in 800 pages from my website with Google Analytics, traffic numbers, and pageviews, clicks.

    Facebook shares, Twitter shares, Pinterest, Reddit, no word length number of words in the article from my database, where I have pageviews, and I have social shares.

    And we’re going to run it through a regression algorithm, this case gradient boosting, to figure out what has the highest relationship to the metric we care about, which in this case is going to be that page authority.

    And what we see here is that for page authority, total inbound links is the strongest predictor, it’s hands down the top predictor.

    And we see two weak predictors, content length, and Twitter shares.

    They’re the Twitter shares, one is a very weak predictor, it is not, I would not bet the farm on this, and then Facebook shares and Pinterest, you know, nothing.

    Nobody’s home, and Reddit didn’t make it on here.

    So for my website, if I want to predict what leads to higher page authority, it’s going to be total links, I’ve got to go get those links and social shares, at least the way I’m using social media right now.

    Clearly not using it for SEO purposes.

    Right? There’s just no evidence of that for my website.

    Now, here’s the question, is that a valid metric is that what we should be focusing on? I would argue that probably it’s not going to be as good as if I focused on something like pageviews.

    Right pays you seems to me like it’d be a slightly better thing to focus on.

    So let’s rerun this model.

    If I want actual traffic, and see what the machinery comes up with here.

    Now while it’s doing this, again, one of the things that we have to give some thought to is are we focused on the right metrics? Are we focused on an SEO metric? Or are we focused on an outcome? In this case, I’ve just changed the outcome to page views, how much traffic did I get to these from any source from any source.

    And again, we see here page authority, a very strong predictor of traffic, right? And content length, a very, very strong predictor as well.

    So if I want more traffic in general, I should focus on these things then total links is a is a medium predictor.

    Facebook shares becomes a medium predictor.

    So that’s interesting.

    In the previous example, we were focusing on an SEO metric, Facebook didn’t make the cut.

    If I focused on getting people to my page, Facebook is a usable metric here, Facebook shares, number of shares that my content gets.

    It is not SEO.

    Right? Facebook is not usable for SEO.

    If I click back to this previous plot, we can see, I’m not getting page authority.

    But here, total links, content, word count, are for traffic, and then Facebook for traffic, Twitter, not so much Pinterest.

    And of course, Reddit still didn’t make the cut.

    That probably has a lot to do the fact that I don’t really post on Reddit.

    So the question we have to ask ourselves from a strategy perspective is which metric? Are we going after more? I would say that page authority being the highest predictor of traffic means that yeah, it’s probably a good idea for me to pursue an SEO strategy.

    And then knowing that I can then focus on the thing that drives that strategy, which is getting inbound links.

    How do I go and get those inbound links? Clearly, I don’t do it with social media.

    So I have to be able to do it from sub some other way.

    And I would have to look into my SEO processes to ask, what should I be doing? To get that, to get those links? Do I need to be doing more outreach? Do I need to be creating better content? Do I need to have a PR firm representing me? Do I need to be pitching journalists on Twitter? It doesn’t really matter.

    As long as I’ve Well, it doesn’t matter.

    But what I’ve ascertained here is that for SEO purposes, social media, not super important for traffic, social media is a little more important.

    And I think that that’s a really, really important thing for you to do before you go trying to figure out, is social media, a way to drive our SEO strategy, figure out do you is your SEO strategy working? And then go and bring that information in? So that’s the process for doing this now.

    Is this something that anybody can do? Absolutely.

    And you don’t have to use this environment.

    This is a tool I’m using called R.

    You can do this in IBM Watson Studio with the SPSS modeler and not have to code.

    There are ways to do this in is drag and drop little widgets in here, drop your data in, and it will do the exact same thing.

    And you won’t have to code it’s it’s much easier.

    I just do it because it’s here on my machine.

    It runs locally.

    And it doesn’t cost me anything to do this locally.

    IBM Watson Studio does charge you after the first 50 hours of usage.

    So if it goes do this, once, it’s fine, it won’t cost you anything after a certain point, you do start running up the bill.

    But the takeaway is, does social media like shares and comments have an impact on SEO? Maybe you have to test it, you have to test it with your data, you have to test it with your site and figure out if there is a relationship, is it causal? Are you using social media to try and get your SEO strategy to move forward? If you’re not, then in a relationship you have is largely coincidental.

    Now there’s is a relationship like here, in this case for Twitter, you might want to think about should that be our strategy? But if you are doing it with a strong intent for SEO purposes, and you’re not getting the results, and you know it’s not working? So that’s how you use this information? Good question.

    Because the answer as with so many things in data science is it depends.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Measuring Brand Trust?

    You Ask, I Answer: Measuring Brand Trust?

    Stephanie asks, “When it comes to building trust, how do we know what success looks like? How can we measure it?”

    Trust is a tricky thing to measure because it’s such a core of emotion. If you examine emotional theory, especially things like Plutchik’s wheel of emotions, trust is a fundamental survival emotion. How do you measure a survival emotion?

    • Consider surveying – do you trust this brand, do you see it as a friend, do you feel this brand directly supports you and the things you believe in, will this brand do right by you if something goes wrong?
    • Examine branded organic search for the bigram frequencies around your brand – trusting words versus disgust words, which are the antithesis of trust

    • Look at social interactions – if something negative about your brand comes up, who supports you and how quickly

    • Perform sentiment analysis on interactions with the brand, especially customer service interactions

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    In today’s episode, Stephanie asks, When it comes to building trust, how do we know what success looks like? How can we measure it? Well, trust it, trust is a tricky thing to measure, because it’s such a fundamental core emotion.

    If you look back at psychology, and how different frameworks have come up to even understand the emotions, there are all these different models that you can use to try and figure out, like, what even an emotion is, and how it relates to important things like say survival.

    Trust is one of those fundamental things.

    So this is a model here, this is Robert politics, wheel emotions, you can see that in that first, concentric ring trust is on there, it’s a no six expressed by admiration, it’s opposed by disgust.

    And fundamentally, trust is one of those things is like, how do you how do you explain it? In that same thesis, he proposed that each of these core emotions has a basic survival advantage, right.

    disgust is something that happens when we ingest something that doesn’t taste good, and we spit it out, we believe, because we perceive it as poisonous, right? And trust is the opposite of that we see somebody who’s a member of our group, a member of our tribe, they’re our friend.

    And so our our action is literally to defend that person to recruit them for mutual support to help us survive.

    When you consider that that particular survivalist instinct, how does that play out when it comes to something like a brand? Oh, think about what you would expect someone to be able to say about a brand they trust.

    And the gold standard here for figuring this out for measuring this will be serving, asking people at all different stages of the customer experience.

    So surveying for at the awareness stage, for trust based questions, consideration, purchase, loyalty, evangelism at all, throughout the customer experience cycle, asking people questions, like, Do you trust this brand? Do you see it as as a friend as friendly to you? Do you believe that the brand will do right by you if something goes wrong? Right? Do you believe that the brand supports you and the things that you believe in? Do you believe that there’s a mutual support relationship? in place, there are some brands where people feel based on their interactions with the brand, though Yes, this brand will support me and this brand has supported me.

    And that can be anywhere from things like donating to specific causes, to just having working customer service, right, having a customer service department that will not make you feel like an idiot.

    All those would be things that you’d want to surface within serving, and that is still the gold standard for understanding how people feel about a brand.

    There are other things that you can do that, I would say you treat as secondary data sources, because again, the gold standard is still serving is just asking people how they feel around those trust based questions or, again, the polar opposite.

    On that we’ll have emotions, asking people about disgust based questions, things that interactions they’ve had that were negative, how many of them have they had because as everybody knows, it really only takes one screw up for a brand to to completely ruin the relationship you have with that one bad judgment call.

    I was talking with my business partner and co founder Katie robear, about one technology brand that at a conference hired an absolutely awful speaker, just terrible judgment call.

    And that has forever corrupted her feelings about that brand that brand has no chance to ever impress to work past that without like serious substantial personal interaction.

    And that’s a big part of this equation as well is in trust, because we are taking the action of friending somebody right of bringing them into our group of asking them for mutual support.

    It’s not something that the brand can do easily at scale, but is absolutely something that occurs at one to one interactions with the brand.

    So if you are spending a million dollars on this branding campaign, but you’re still paying a minimum wage or less to yours customer support team and they deliver an abuse of experience.

    You’re achieving no ground, right because that one to one interaction is how this survival instinct works.

    Now there are other things that you can use to measure this.

    So you could examine for example, branded search for by Graham frequencies to word combinations around your brand, if the number of people searching for you know your company name and scam or socks, or whatever comes up a lot, guess what, you’ve got a problem, right? You have a substantial problem, particularly if it’s around.

    Again, customer support issues.

    Looking at trust words, looking at discussed words, what are the how often those do those co occur in branded organic search, assuming someone’s searching for your brand at all, looking at social interactions, particularly social media, if something negative about your brand comes up, who supports you and how quickly right now, this isn’t not something I get this is good secondary research, because you don’t want to create a negative event just to see who pops out of the woodwork, that’s not a good idea.

    But if it’s happening anyway, use the data.

    And most importantly, be performing sentiment analysis on interactions with your brand, especially again, customer service interactions, you should be minding your customer service inbox, and looking at, again, trust words and disgust words.

    The frequencies of each the the valence or intensity of each.

    In every single email you get in every phone call, you get near Customer Service Center and every interactive chat log be scoring those intakes.

    And asking people those the questions if you can, if not just be doing the sentiment analysis, the natural language processing on those interactions, to understand how much trust or disgust is there in every single interaction.

    That is actually something that would fairly closely resemble in NPS score in some ways, and just having a composite number, and tracking it over time, how much how much of our communications had an overall valence of trust, particularly if you’re able, if you have the technology to break an interaction into thirds, and then measure the trust in the in thirds of beginning, middle and end did trust go up or down in those interactions.

    But fundamentally, go back to the basic surveying.

    And that can be surveys with a market research firm.

    It can be surveys at point of purchase or post purchase.

    It can even be surveys on your website.

    But be asking people consistently those questions like do you see this out? The brand as a friend does? Do you feel supported by us? What would you what would make you feel supported by us? What would increase your trust in us that we would do the right thing by all those questions, workout with your your marketing team workout with us.

    You’re someone on staff who has psychology experience, to better understand how to phrase those questions to get the answers you want.

    Hire a good market research firm.

    But that’s how you measure, measure.

    And then, as with all measures, you’re looking for more of what you want and less of what you don’t want.

    So again, going back to Dr.

    Politics real we’ll have emotions.

    You want more trust, you want less disgust.

    The same is true for all the emotions on there.

    You want more joy and less, you know, anger and sadness.

    Pretty straightforward stuff.

    Be careful with emotion analysis.

    be thorough, and especially be looking for bias when you’re asking these questions because it’s super easy to go wrong on those fronts.

    And again, you should have somebody with psychology experience working with you to tune those things and some good market research experience to tune those things with you.

    Make sure you’re asking fair, balanced, unbiased questions that will give you accurate diagnostics.

    Really good question a lot to dig into here.

    You got follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Measuring Content Engagement KPIs?

    You Ask, I Answer: Measuring Content Engagement KPIs?

    Erika asks, “What KPIs do you use to measure your content engagement, and where do you source the data to track them?”

    It depends on how we define engagement in content marketing. What constitutes engaging content? Reading it? Sharing it? One of the quirks of modern social media, when you examine shared content, is that sharing and reading have no statistical relationship. So first, decide what metrics constitute engagement. How? Watch the video for details.

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    In today’s episode, Erica asks, What KPIs do you use to measure your content engagement? And where do you source the data to track them? It depends on how we define engagement.

    So engagement is one of the really tricky terms because it means many different things to many different people, there are a whole basket of different metrics that generally fall into the engagement bucket on websites, like time on page, average session duration, number of pageviews, all indicate that you’re spending a lot of time on the site, right, you’re engaging with the content.

    And then there are other things you can do on a website, like, share a link, through a social widget, for example, email an article to a friend, all those would be engaging content as well.

    In the social media realm, you have all the traditional measures the three major buckets, right, like content, like, comment, share, or be the three major behavioral types that you perform in social media for engaging content.

    And the trick is this for those two domains, there’s not a lot of a lot of overlap.

    So let’s, let’s take a look here, this is a scatterplot of 7700 pages.

    And this is the number of pageviews traffic to a set of top performing articles, versus the number of total social media shares.

    What we see here is a statistical non relationship.

    What this means is that just because something is shared on social media does not mean it has any mathematical relationship with the number of views that that content gets people share stuff all the time, and don’t read it.

    People read stuff all the time that they don’t share.

    So be very, very careful about mixing these two measures together, because you can see, there is no relationship, there is nothing that connects these two together.

    So the question then is, okay, KPIs, how do we measure content engagement, then you have a basket full of metrics, right? All these different metrics, and things like social shares and stuff like that, you also have or should have a measure of what content performs the best in terms of outcomes, you care about, like conversions, right, whatever your goal completions are conversions are, every piece of content should have a number that has an outcome, right is an outcome of some kind, even if it’s, you know, zero to 100 scale, even if it’s just raw number of clicks out two buttons you care about in your website, something the way you make a determination about KPIs is you do a regression analysis, you do a regression analysis on that outcome that you care about, and all of the engagement metrics you have.

    And yes, absolutely, for a given piece of content, if you can get likes, comments and shares, get that data get time on page time and session, number of clicks away to a page on the same site, number of clicks off site, if that’s relevant, whatever information you can get.

    And what you are looking for is which of the metrics that you have either alone or in combination, have a mathematical relationship to the outcome that you care about, right? So maybe time on page is a good predictor of whether that content helps to nudge somebody towards a conversion, maybe number of times shared or emailed to a friend, if you’ve got a plug in on your website that can measure that is a good predictor of the likelihood of a conversion down the road.

    That’s how you do the KPI identification.

    And here’s the catch.

    With Erica’s question.

    Not everyone’s KPIs are going to be the same.

    Right? your content, my content, they’re different, right? I guarantee they are different.

    Because we write differently, we may cover different topics, we for sure, probably use different formats and different techniques.

    And as a result, the way that my audience behaves is the way that differently the way your audience behaves, your audience behaves very differently probably than my audience does.

    And so when you run this analysis, you will probably come up with different KPIs than I would write for my site.

    It might be time on page because I write long, dense articles and have videos embedded in these pages, right? You might have a very different type of content, there might not be a video on your page.

    So time on page Might not be relevant as relevant to what moves the needle forward, moves the ball forward for your conversions.

    So that’s why you have to do this analysis.

    Where does this data come from? As you’ve heard, it comes from Google Analytics, or your web analytics package of choice, your social media data, possibly your email data, if you’re if you’re emailing out your content, you may need to pull email, click data in from an email marketing system.

    But whatever the case may be, you’re going to want to bring all this data together, and do that regression analysis to figure out what has a relationship and then comes the hard part.

    Once you establish a correlation, you might have to establish causation just because time on page seems to be say, predictive of conversion, you then have to test Okay, well, what if you you’re cranking out 1500 word posts, go and make some 3000 word posts, double the amount of time on page, double the amount of page and double that amount of time on page.

    And once you see time on page go up, do you then see a time based change, meaning that once you start increasing the size of articles, page size of time and page increases, you then see a corresponding increase in the outcome you care about if you double time on page, and you believe that time on page predicts conversions by doubling the page view, then double the conversions.

    If you don’t, if conversions actually go down, then you have a correlation.

    But you do not have causation.

    That means that something else has happened.

    There’s a third variable, there’s another source of data is another metric that that may determine what really gets people engaged.

    But But in doing that process, you may find that Nope, there wasn’t a relationship.

    You may also find, again, when you do that first regression analysis, if there is no either Pearson or Spearman correlation coefficient above point, say, 3.2 5.3.

    If everything’s below that, you may have no correlation at all, right, which means then you’re missing data, you’re missing information, you’re missing a metric that could be a KPI and you have to go and hunt it down, find it, figure out what it is, you might have to do some engineering on your data to extract out things like time of day or day of week, you know, those could be hidden factors that you might not naturally initially think, Oh, I should put that input into my content engagement analysis.

    figuring this out, is tricky.

    figuring this out, requires a lot of detective work.

    But once you figure it out, you then know exactly which levers to pull to make your content more engaging.

    For the purposes of conversion.

    It’s not just engagement for engagement sake, it is engagement to nudge people further down your marketing operations funnel and get them to essentially do the thing that you want them to do.

    Right? You want them to convert whatever conversion means in your world.

    You want people to convert and this is how you’re measured.

    So there’s a lot of pieces you have to assemble.

    There’s a lot of data you have to assemble together in order to get the answer that you’re looking for about what KPIs should you measure.

    But once you figure it out, then you’re in really good condition to start testing and proving what what meaningful engagement is for your site.

    So really good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: The ROI of Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: The ROI of Content Marketing?

    Stephanie asks, “What would you say to a person who states that it’s impossible to measure the ROI of content marketing?”

    That person is bad at analytics? It’s true that it’s unlikely you’ll measure the ROI of content marketing down to the precise penny – but you also can’t measure anything else in marketing down to the precise penny, either. You absolutely can measure content marketing and get a solid sense of the value of content marketing overall – and if you’re really good at analytics, you can measure the value of any given individual piece of content.

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    In today’s episode, Stephanie asks, What would you say to a person who states that it’s impossible to measure the ROI of content marketing? politely I would say that person is bad at analytics.

    Look, it’s true that when it comes to measuring the precise down to the penny dollar amount of content marketing, it’s very difficult to do.

    Because there are a lot of interfering variables, there’s a lot of noise, there’s a lot of different ways that content can be valued.

    And frankly, it’s highly dependent on how good your analytics are.

    If your analytics are terrible, then you’re not going to get a very good estimation of the ROI of content marketing.

    But if your analytics are good, if you’ve set them up, well, if and if the majority of your business he is or passes through the digital realm, then you absolutely can get a sense of the ROI of content marketing.

    And by the way, you’re not going to get the exact precise Penny measurement of anything in marketing there.

    Again, there’s just too many unknowns and hidden things happening that to give you down to the penny amounts of anything that you do.

    The reason why people have this belief that you can’t measure the ROI of content marketing is because you’re measuring things terribly.

    Again, if there’s a, if you’re tracking it through good systems, and you’ve got a good attribution model, and you have built solid goals with real goal values, and that are estimated well, then you can absolutely no, this channel is worth this number of dollars, this piece of content is worth this number of dollars.

    In fact, let’s do this.

    I’m gonna bring up a chart here.

    This is a attribution model.

    Here four pieces of content on my website.

    Now, this is not for channels, this is not for Facebook, or LinkedIn, whatever this is the actual blog posts, which piece of content drove conversions for my website.

    These are the pieces that are flagship or Cornerstone or pillar or whatever you want to call them.

    And some of them are not the ones that I expected them to be.

    Right.

    So when you come across a piece of content that’s behaving like pillar content, behaving as a major driver of conversion, that you didn’t expect, guess what, you’ve got a really solid piece of content that you then need to turn into pillar content to expand it to grow it to make a deeper, make it more expert in, in view.

    And that’s something that you then start to AB test, right, that’s your priority for AV testing, you’ve got something’s converting great, start experimenting to make it see if it can make it convert even better.

    All of these are tasks that you take based on understanding the value of your content, right? Can you understand the value of content marketing? Absolutely.

    The problem that I think a lot of people run into is that the value is broken up over a variety of different areas.

    So for example, some of your valuable come through social media, like substantial value, part of the value will come through organic search, marketing, SEO, some will come in through referrals and public relations, some of it will come in through direct, you know, people just typing your website URL.

    Some of it will come from partially offline or broken click streams like podcasts.

    And so if you’re trying to understand the value of the content itself, doing things from a channel focus, is probably going to confuse you, right? Because you’re going to say, Well, how much of the SEO credit should the content get versus the the technical SEO efforts? Well, you’re not gonna be able to break that apart from a channel map, you can see the value of the content itself, regardless of the channel that it came in on.

    This is data that is stored in Google Analytics, or the web analytics system, your choice, but I know Google Analytics really has quite in depth.

    And then, based on that information, you then have the ability to run analysis on it.

    And there’s a few different ways you can do this.

    One is using network graphing, and tracking the transitions of the maps, the you know, from page to page, the way people go through your website, which is can be a very, very interesting way to see the the hubs of the journey on your website.

    And the more sophisticated way is to do it with machine learning, a type of machine learning called Markov chain modeling where you, in essence, separate out the visits that converted versus the visits that didn’t.

    And you look to see what are the differences in the ways that people traverse your website.

    From there, as long as your URL structure is intelligent, and understandable, and you didn’t just, you know, put everything at the root level of your website, you can make the determination about which pieces of content have driven the most value.

    And if you want to get really clever, you can use the goal values that Google Analytics assigns into its conversions and impute the actual dollar value estimates of a piece of content based on how much that piece of content has helped nurture conversions.

    Again, all this is data that is within a system that pretty much most websites have Google Analytics, you do have to extract it out of there, you do have to do the analysis separately, because it’s not something that Google does for you.

    But if you do that, you understand the value of your content.

    That’s that straightforward, is you understand the value of your content, and you know, which pieces are not working for you.

    After that calculation, the next thing you have to do is figure out what are you gonna do with the underperforming pieces? What are you going to do with the overperform pieces, you have to do a lot of math on that.

    So underperforming pieces are pages that get a lot of traffic to them, but don’t participate in conversions, right, they’re pages that don’t help people understand the value you provide, over performing pieces or pages that even though they may not receive a lot of traffic have a very high conversion rates, right, they have very high conversion value.

    And so those are pages, you might say, you know what, this is a page we should put some ad spend behind or at the very least share more often on social media, this is a page we should include in our emails should be in our recommendation engine on our site.

    And it says you may also like reading, and so on, so forth.

    That’s how you would increase the ROI of your content marketing, once you’ve made the determination of what it is.

    So I would say to that person, my first less charitable impulse was to say you’re an idiot.

    But I would say to that person, they don’t have a good grasp on the analytics.

    They don’t have a good grasp on the data.

    And let’s help them understand the data.

    Let’s help them understand the analysis.

    Let’s help them understand the value of content so that they can understand the value of what it is they’re creating and how it works for any given company.

    And that is knowable.

    I think that’s the biggest takeaway from this.

    It is a noble thing.

    It can you do it with precision, not as much as any of us would like.

    Can you know it enough to make decisions? Absolutely.

    Absolutely.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Third Party Data and Model Audits?

    You Ask, I Answer: Third Party Data and Model Audits?

    Jessica asks, “When it comes to training data for marketing AI models, do you think vendors will anonymize/share data sources in the future? Will it be required?”

    It depends on the vendor and the model. The raw data for public models, even de-identified, probably will not be publicly available, but should be made available to auditors. Those auditors could certify that the data used was appropriately representative and free from specific kind of biases. For vendors where we’re paying money to them for marketing artificial intelligence services, we absolutely should be seeing either audited results or deidentified data.

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    In today’s episode, Jessica asks, When it comes to training data for models, do you think vendors will anonymize or shared data sources in the future? Will it be required? It depends on the vendor and the models.

    So within the context of marketing, Ai, marketing, artificial intelligence vendors will be providing us access to various types of AI models, things like lead scoring models, propensity scoring models, deep neural networks, all sorts of stuff.

    And what makes up those models.

    Right now, the trend is very much for companies to say like this is our proprietary, you know, special, whatever.

    And certainly, companies right now are not sharing any kind of information about their models, their complete and total black boxes.

    As regulatory scrutiny continues to ramp up appropriately, it should be ramping up on artificial intelligence.

    What goes into those models should be more transparent.

    So for public datasets, public models, I don’t expect the raw data to be made available even de identified, because a, those companies probably don’t have the ability to share that at such a large scale, we’re talking massive, massive, massive datasets.

    And be if it’s publicly and freely available, you get what you get, is literally, you get what you pay for.

    For vendors where you are paying money to that vendor, for use of their model.

    I think it’s absolutely a reasonable request to either ask for de identified data, or to ask that the company go through an audit.

    Just like we asked companies to go through audits for safety, for diversity, for all these different criteria inside of an RFP, there’s absolutely no reason why adding an audit for the model of a data data from a model wouldn’t be required to be able to say, Okay, I want you auditing firm, you know, KPMG, or whoever, to inspect the data, make sure it’s appropriately representative.

    And free from a specific list of biases.

    You know, if you were to take the list of protected classes, and say, okay, you’re going to auditors, you’re going to go through and inspect the data, to ensure that the model is free from unfair bias ease along with these protected classes.

    And given the list of biases that you’re looking for things that are legally prohibited, all those protected classes age, gender, race, veteran status, disability, gender identity, sexual orientation, religion, etc.

    And those are the ones that locks talk about every single auditor would be looking to, to reduce bias on.

    And then also any criteria that you would have for your company, if there are things that your company values that you would look for that are not technically illegal, but you feel are run contrary to your values, you have the auditors inspect that as well.

    Now is a company got to do that for like, you know, a 299 a month SAS model? Probably not, they’re probably gonna tell you find another vendor.

    But for larger models, custom developed things, you know, where you got to pay a company 5060 70,000 a month? Absolutely.

    It’s a reasonable request at that point to say like, yeah, we’re gonna bet our business on this.

    And we’re gonna bet a mission critical system on this company’s model, this vendors model, it had better be free of all these things.

    It’s no different than food, right? You don’t really get a say into the ingredients and a prepackaged food if you want to certify that a food is a certain way, you got to make it yourself.

    Right.

    But vendors working with other vendors absolutely do have to require things like if you specify that food is organic, it has to meet the legal definition of organic and someone certifies that organic food meets those criteria and that is a legally binding requirement.

    So the same thing is true when it comes to these types of models.

    Now are there auditors and vendors doing this today? I don’t know that any of the big shops, you know, ei KPMG, etc.

    I don’t know if they are offering this publicly as a service yet.

    But it will not be long.

    After the first few lawsuits where a company gets in a whole lot of hot water for a biased model, he will become part and parcel of the industry, you know, the auditing industry and it’s appropriate.

    If you wanted to certify it yourself, you absolutely could.

    But again, it would have to be worth the while for a company to, to do so if you’re looking for a facial recognition algorithm that and you’re paying5 a month for the company is not going to tell you whether the data set is biased against people with darker skin.

    But if you’re building a mission critical app on it, you can absolutely say, hey, I need to ensure that this thing is not biased.

    And I’m going to stop paying you, you know, five figures or six figures a month until you do that.

    It all comes down to economics.

    When it comes to your company, if your company is building models or your own plan, and build your models with the assumption that you will be required to, at some point, disclose de identified versions of the data, you obviously have to protect user privacy, you always have to protect people’s identities, especially around protected class data, and personally identifiable information.

    But beyond that, plan, that somebody else will be inspecting your data at some point down the line.

    So make it in a format that is you know, easily machine readable, make it in a format that it can be exported, make it in a format that all your variables are clearly named.

    And obviously named.

    Things like if you’re going to have gender, like have gender not, you know, attribute 56.

    So that you can make the auditing process on your own data as easy as possible.

    And as painless as possible, build with the assumption that somebody else at some point will be taking a look.

    Not necessarily the general public, but an auditor or somebody or somebody like that.

    And make your life easier.

    Future you will thank you future you will thank you for for making the audit process less painful.

    And because it is coming for sure.

    So yeah, that’s where we are with data sources and models.

    Expect auditing.

    Really good question.

    important question for all of us who are working in the industry to keep in mind and we have to build for it.

    As the future comes around to getting to us your follow up questions, leave them in the comment box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Liability for Marketing AI Models?

    You Ask, I Answer: Liability for Marketing AI Models?

    Jessica asks, “Who’s liable for violations in marketing AI models, the company that hires the vendor, or the vendor? Anything in service agreements to look for?”

    Who’s liable when someone uses a tool improperly or illegally? Companies have some responsibility, as we see with product warnings, but the ultimate responsibility – and who gets sued/arrested – is the end user. Many EULAs shift the blame entirely to the user and force users to waive liability entirely.

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    In today’s episode, Jessica asks, who’s liable for violations when it comes to marketing AI models or any artificial intelligence models, the company that hires the vendor or the vendor anything service agreements to look for.

    So artificial intelligence models, some really fancy word for software, right at the end of the day.

    Machines are writing software, but they’re writing their own software.

    But it’s still software is still a piece of software no different than you downloading a copy of, you know, Microsoft Word, or Excel or video game.

    And so the laws that apply to AI models, largely the same as the laws apply to standard software and, frankly, the laws that apply to anything.

    Companies have some level of responsibility when it comes to Product use and misuse to have to warn you of things that are obviously potentially dangerous or misleading.

    You know, when you look at the standard bottle of any kind of medication, it tells you, you know when to use this product directions to take it.

    Don’t take it for these things.

    So there’s this a little bit of responsibility coming out of the company.

    But other things, you know, don’t have those warnings necessarily, because they’re not really needed.

    Like, you look at the job of doing spicy peppers.

    There’s no warning on here it says do not pour in your eyes.

    But people do crazy silly things like you know, tide pods.

    At the end of the day, when it comes to artificial intelligence, who’s liable for the way that a model behaves is ultimately up to the end user if you download a piece of pre trained software pre trained model from Any vendor, and that’s got a bias in it of some kind that is against a protected class and therefore not legal.

    You, the company and the user are responsible for what happens with that.

    Right? You are responsible if you use it and then and this model causes your marketing or your operations or your customer service to discriminate against somebody on a protected class, you are responsible for your actions, you are responsible for it just the same as you know, if you go out and you buy a knife of some kind and you use it in to cause somebody harm, it is not the knife minute manufacturers fault that you did something with the tool that was improper.

    You the user, were the person who did the bad thing, and you are liable for it.

    And that can mean civil liability, like getting sued or can mean criminal liability, like getting arrested.

    When you use any piece of software these days, actually, especially when it comes to the Downloading models and data from other people, other companies, there’s a good chance you sign an End User License Agreement.

    Now whether you read it in its entirety is not the company’s problem.

    But chances are somewhere buried deep within that End User License Agreement is a statement that where you waived all liability and you assume entire responsibility, whole responsibility for what you do with the software.

    Whether or not the software is flawed, whether or not the model is biased.

    Whether or not the training data was any good to begin with or not.

    There is a good chance that you have incurred 100% of the liability especially if you’re getting it from a major commercial vendor like Amazon or Google, or IBM or anybody, there’s a good chance that you are assuming 100% of the risk.

    Now, if you are publishing data sets, if you are publishing pre trained models, you definitely want to talk to Your legal department to effectively do the same like, hey, we’ve done our best.

    And maybe, you know, as as we were talking about, you list the ingredients and where you got the data, its provenance things.

    But you definitely want disclaimers of that, as well to somebody downloads your data, your software, etc.

    Your models, you want to say, hey, we’ve done our best.

    We know there may still be issues in here, but you the user, assume 100% of the liability for how you use this, then you cannot hold us liable if you make a piece of software that discriminate against discriminates against people who are, you know, transgender, guess what, that’s not our fault.

    That’s not our problem.

    from a legal perspective, it is your problem as the user of the software.

    It is your liability for you have to take ownership of your actions.

    In terms of service agreements, you’ve got to read them You’ve got to read them.

    And especially before you pay money to anybody, you’ve got to read them to understand what they are and are not accepting responsibility for.

    And do that due diligence of look inside their documentation to the best extent that you can.

    If you’re going to be paying money to this vendor, you can ask that as part of your due diligence to say, give me your data lineage.

    Give me your data, provenance.

    Give me your model governance.

    Show me how you’re keeping the model from drifting Show me.

    Any known issues, you know, just like you buy a house.

    Yeah, have a house Inspector, and they come in and tell you Oh, yeah, it looks like there’s a leak there.

    Like it’s old, but there’s definitely a was a leak there.

    And that’s out of out of code.

    You want to do that same level of due diligence with any models or software that you’re working with to say to the vendor.

    Hey, tell What you’re known issues are disclose any material conditions that could cause issues at the vendor says we don’t have that documentation.

    No, sorry, we don’t have that.

    Don’t do business with them.

    The same as they said, Oh, we our model is totally fine.

    There’s absolutely no bias in it.

    So we don’t have that documentation.

    Okay, that means you didn’t do any checking, because almost every model a data set has some kind of bias in it, whether it’s material or not, meaning has constant is consequential or not is is secondary, but even in the the weekly newsletter, I publish to the Trust Insights newsletter, whenever we publish a study we disclose the methodology and say like, you know, for example, with SEO, this is limited to the English language.

    So it automatically has a bias in it is that bias material, maybe, maybe not.

    But if every vendor who publishes any kind of data models, algorithms, should be saying these are the nodes biases in here.

    take that with a grain of salt, right? If If you feel like the data set needs to have more than just the English language and for SEO, then our data would not be helpful to you.

    Right? There’s that disclosing of known biases, that’s the sign of a more mature vendor.

    they’ve they’ve got their documentation order, they got the disclosures in order.

    They’ve told you what they know is wrong.

    And it’s up to you to decide whether those things are important to you or not.

    So, really good question on liability at the end of the day, remember, it comes down to the the tool manufacturer is not responsible for what you do with the tool.

    You can do good things with it, you can do bad things with it, but at the end of the day, they’re not liable for you are so that’s the rule to keep in mind.

    Has any of this been settled in court? Not that I know of but I also have not done a whole lot of checking on fine law but based on existing software, Law based on existing general liability law and what and I’m not a lawyer and disclosure, I’m not a lawyer, check with your own legal counsel.

    I don’t think aliens has come up in court yet.

    I’m sure it will at some point and it based on existing law, the courts are likely to rule that unless you were intentionally negligent or willful in the creation of your model, that you’re the software manufacturer is probably not responsible for it.

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