Erika asks, “What are your tips and best practices for topic and keyword research in content marketing?”
It depends on the size of the content and how much domain expertise you have. Scale your research efforts to the level of risk the content poses and how important it is that you get it right.
You Ask, I Answer: Content Marketing Topic Research?
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In today’s episode, Erica asks What are your tips and best practices for cop topic and keyword research and content marketing? So this is an interesting question because the answer is dependent upon a couple things on the size of the content, but more importantly on the domain expertise and how much risk there is in the content.
Remember that while we are writing to be found to be seen, we are also writing to have our information be used by people and that means that there is an inherent level of risk in content.
The level of risk is proportional to the amount of domain expertise we need to have.
So if I’m, I’ve been asked to write a piece of content on I don’t know, number of characters in the tweet or you know how to emoji in Influence tweets.
That’s a relatively low risk piece of content, right? It doesn’t require a ton of research.
And identifying topics and keywords and things for it is pretty straightforward.
I’m probably not going to screw that up.
And even if I do, it’s going to be very low impact, right? If somebody uses the poop emoji instead of the heart emoji, it’s not going to be probably the end of the world.
On the other hand, if I’m being asked to create a white paper, or a video series about important steps to take for protecting yourself against a pandemic, that piece of content could literally be life or death for somebody and so I would need to have much greater domain expertise.
I would need to invest a lot more time in understanding the topic overall first, before even trying to cobble together keywords and things to understand all the pieces that are related to it.
And I would want to take a whole bunch of time to get background, academic papers, books, videos, studies, research, all that stuff that will tell me what is the shape of this thing? What is the? What are the implications? And mostly what is the lexicon? And what is it that experts in the field think Who are those experts? What else do they talk about? What are the related topics? So that’s the first step is to assess your level of risk and what level of domain expertise you’re going to meet.
Then you look at the size of the content.
How much are we talking about? We’re talking about like five tweets.
Are we talking about a 1500 word blog post, a 10 minute video, 45 minute class, a four hour workshop or a white paper, something that you intend to be in an academic journal, a book on Amazon? What is the size of the content, the bigger the size The more research you’re going to need, the more data you’re going to need.
And then you can look at things like, you know, keywords.
One of the best sources for keywords, and for topics and understanding the topic is actually speech, people talking, because in things like podcasts, and videos and interviews and stuff, you will get a lot more extraneous words, but you will get you will also get more of the seemingly unrelated terms.
So let’s talk for example, about SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes covid 19.
In listening to epidemiologists and virologists talk about this thing.
Yes, there are the commonplace topics like you know, wearing masks, for example, would be something that would be associated with this topic.
Washing your hands would be something you’d be associated with this topic, keeping a certain distance away from people.
But you would also see things like co2 measurement How, how much co2 is in the air around you, because it’s a proxy for how well event ventilated space is, the better a spaces ventilated, the less co2 will be in, compared to, let’s say, the outdoor air.
And so you’ll see measurements like you know, 350 parts per million 450 parts per million.
And these are not topic, these are not keywords that you would initially See, if you’re just narrowly researching the topic of COVID-19.
These are important, right? These are things that you would want to include in the in an in depth piece of research, you might want to talk about antigens and T cells and B cells and how the immune system works.
Those are equally be things.
So, again, this is a case where you have a very complex topic which requires a lot of domain expertise.
And mapping out though, the concepts will be an exhaustive exercise as it should be because again, you’re creating content that is If you get it wrong, and you recommend the wrong things, you could literally kill people with it.
So that would be the initial assessment, domain expertise, how much content you’re going to need? What are the risks? after that? You need a solid content plan, how much content what’s the cadence? What are the formats, it’s going to be distributed in a topic and keyword research list is less important.
still important, but less important for something like a podcast, right? Unless you’re producing a transcript, in which case, it’s you’re back to creating, making sure that you’re mentioning certain specific terms.
And you’d want to make sure that you you do that in the context of the show.
One of the things that Katie Robbert and I do before every episode of Trust Insights podcast is look at the associated keywords for a given topic and see other things that from a domain expertise perspective, we are lacking.
That would want to augment and verify and validate that we’re going to mention in the show because we also publish it as a video, though, that means those keywords and those topics make it into the closed captions file, which means that YouTube can then index it better and shorter video more.
In terms of the tools that you would do this, use this for this, it depends on the content type.
So some things like PDFs are not natively searchable.
In a text format, you have to use a tool like Acrobat or preview or something.
So there are tools that will export a PDF to a plain text file and then you can do your normal text mining.
Text mining tools will be essential for digesting a body of content in order to understand the keywords and topics.
There are, there’s a library I use in the programming language are called quanta.
That does an excellent job of extracting out here the key words in context and the keywords that are within this large group of documents.
So you would take for example, blog posts, Reddit posts, academic papers, cover them all in plain text, load them into this piece of software, as a piece of software would digest them all down and say here are the, here’s a map of, of words that exist in this universe and how they’re connected, which is really important because a lot of tools can do you know, a word cloud, that’s easy, but you don’t understand necessarily the connections between terms.
So for example, you know, a T cell and B cell would be connected terms within the immune system.
In a paper about COVID-19.
You’d want to know that to see how those topics relate to each other social media posts, transcripts, from YouTube videos, transcripts, from podcasts, all those things.
That level of text mining will give you greater insights into the universe around the topic.
In addition to the core keywords themselves, one of the problems with a lot of keyword software is that it’s very narrowly restricted like you can use you know, all male contains these terms or This phrase, but again, something about COVID-19 is not necessarily going to have a key word like antigen, or a key word like dexa, methadone, right? Very important concept, but not necessarily going to be immediately related, which is what a lot of more primitive keyword tools do.
So I would use some text mining tools to extract out and map the universe of language around a topic.
Then you can start creating content from and lining up, you know, if you’re going to be doing a top a piece of content about espresso and what are all the terms that go with espresso, and then you can see the how they clustered together.
And that creates your anchor content to cover each of the major concepts.
So a lot in there a lot to think about, but do that risk assessment and that domain expertise assessment first that will govern the size of your project and how much research you need to do? If you have follow up questions, leave in the comments box below.
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Dasha asks, “I want to take some classes on analytics and visualization skills – what would you recommend?”
I’d start by learning the principles of data visualization first. Edward Tufte’s book, The Visualization of Quantitative Information, is the classic textbook to start with. Then look at Data Studio’s introductory course, followed by Microsoft’s free EdX course, followed by IBM’s Statistics 101 course.
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In today’s episode dosha asks, I want to take some classes on analytics and visualization skills, what would you recommend? So really good question, a very common question.
There’s a learning path or progression I would suggest taking, starting with.
Let’s go ahead and bring this up here.
Starting with Edward tufte, his classic textbook, the visual display of quantitative information.
This is probably one of the oldest textbooks in the field.
And it’s probably one of the best to get started in terms of how do we think about the information we want to convey? How do we format how to different charts and graphs and types, communicate information visually to somebody else.
A lot of the basic principles of data visualization are in this textbook.
So I would start by getting this textbook I’ll put a link in the show notes, which you can get just down here.
If you want to click on through and get that disclosure to Amazon Associates think so that’s the first place I would start because you want to get that basic knowledge that foundational knowledge first and Toughbook is one of the best in the field.
From there, start looking at some of the courses that are available.
So the first one I would start with, and I think it’s probably the most practical for the average marketer is going to be the introduction to Data Studio.
So Google Analytics Academy has a number of courses for free.
Data Studio is a great basic course that teaches you the interface of Data Studio, but also applying some of those best practices for data visualization.
You’ll see that in unit four data visualization basics.
Also, bonus, when you complete this course, you’ll have the ability to do use Data Studio well.
And it’s a very powerful free tool, plugs into Google Analytics plugs into Google Search Console a bunch of other things.
And that really is is practical.
applicable information right away.
After that, take the data visualization practical approach for absolute beginners from Microsoft.
So this is available on edX it is free.
You’ll notice it’s an archived course, which means that like the instructors are not online.
The the discussion forums are closed and stuff for you.
It’s a course by itself.
But it’s an excellent course of about a four week course, that teaches you visual literacy, and, again, applying a lot of data visualization practices.
And I think the most important module in here is thinking about the things that you’re going to do wrong with data visualization.
If you’ve ever, ever seen the average business dashboard, they’re usually a hot mess, right? There’s stuff laying all over the place.
Someone’s trying to cram too much information on it.
And this is a really good course for getting into think about visual literacy right? What needs to be communicated what doesn’t need to be communicated.
After you’ve got this down, it’s time to kick things up a level.
One of the challenges with data visualization is the data itself may or may not be any good.
And what data you want to communicate, also may not be available outside the box out of the box.
So really good example, Google Analytics has a ton of data in it.
But virtually no transformations of any kind.
So if you look at like your website traffic, there’s no mean there’s no media, there’s no basic statistical approaches to it, you get what you get in the tool itself, and that’s fine.
To start.
It’s not fine if you want to add a quick value added insights.
To do that.
You need some statistical knowledge.
So the next course I recommend taking is over at IBM is cognitive class, go to cognitive class AI.
This is that’s one on one course.
And this is actually Of course for teaching you the basics of statistics, right? So things like descriptive stats, variants, probability correlation, the one on one stuff that, frankly, we should have all taken in college, I did take a stats course in college, I did not pass it.
Because the teacher wasn’t great.
We now have the opportunity to go back and fix those mistakes of the past and taking stats 101 so that we learn how to think about the data that we’re presenting.
And make sure it is valid and and clear and obvious what it is that we’re doing before we slap it into a visualization, right? Remember that visualization means nothing if the data that makes it up is wrong.
So stats one on ones that is I would say the fourth thing that you should take.
The final thing that you should take and this is now kicking things up a notch is data visualization with R so the programming language r again, this is a cognitive class, IBM To also free.
This is on how to do the actual visualizations in the programming language are.
So if you are doing any kind of really heavy statistical or data science work, including stuff like, you know pulling social media analytics and Google Analytics data into an environment that you can analyze it, R is the language to do that’s one of the languages to do that.
And it has a visualization library built in that is a little tricky side.
But if you want to be able to programmatically do visualizations, meaning once you’ve done it once, and you want to rerun the airport, the next month or next week, whatever, you can literally hit you know, execute code and it will redo everything for you.
So you don’t have to do it.
Again, that’s the value of programmatic visualization.
This is the course to teach you how to do that.
Now you’ll note that one of the prerequisites there is a an r1 on one course if you have not taken that one, I would take that one as well because that will get you all To the bare bones basics of how to use the our programming language.
Now, except for toughies book, all of these courses are free, right? So there’s no financial cost in taking them.
The only cost is your time and your effort, your willingness to study.
If you take all four of these five, if you count the r1 r1 on one course, if you take all five of these, and you are diligent about it, you will have a, I’d say a great working competency of data visualization, and the ability to apply it to whatever marketing data you’re looking at.
This makes you something of a unicorn.
Because this is not a skill that a lot of marketers have, right? A lot of marketers kinda shy away from the math side of things, the quantitative side of things, but if you have these skills, then you can apply your creative abilities and your quantitative abilities and drastically increase the amount of value you Bring to an organization, drastically increase the amount of money you can earn.
And you might find that you really enjoy it.
I certainly do, despite having a rough start in statistics.
So that’s the order.
And I would do this these in that order so that you if you try and jump in our one on one right away, it’s not for everybody.
Right? And it can be a little discouraging.
So get the foundation’s down first, and then elevate into the more technical stuff afterwards.
Really good question.
Good luck with the courses, I find.
They’re all very good.
They’re all taught by legitimate subject matter experts.
I look for that.
in evaluating courses.
I look for people who are actually qualified to be teaching them.
And remember that a good chunk of the education for this is going to be practice.
So once you’ve taken the courses, you then have to put it into practice and keep putting into practice.
It’s like anything else, you know, working out, whatever.
You got to keep doing it to keep yourself strong.
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Joanna asks, “In your investigation of automated accounts on Twitter, how do you define a bot?”
This is an important question because very often, we will take for granted what a software package’s definitions are. The ONLY way to know what a definition is when it comes to a software model is to look in the code itself.
You Ask, I Answer: Twitter Bot Detection Algorithms?
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In today’s episode, Joanne asks, in your investigation, automated accounts on Twitter, how do you define a bot? So this is really important question.
A lot of the time when we use software packages that are trying to do detection of something and are using machine learning in it, we have a tendency to just kind of accept the outcome of the software, especially if we’re not technical people.
And it says like, this is a bottle.
This is a knob, which kind of accept it as really dangerous is really dangerous because it’s not clear how a model is making its decisions, what goes into it out as it makes its decisions.
How accurate is it? And without that understanding, it’s very easy for things like errors to creep in for bias to creep in.
For all sorts of things to go wrong and we don’t know it.
Because we don’t know enough about what’s going on under the hood to be able to say, Hey, this is clearly not right, except to inspect the outputs.
And then again, if you’re not technical, you are kind of stuck in the situation of either I accept that the outputs are wrong or I find another piece of software.
So, in our Saturday night data parties that we’ve been doing identifying Twitter accounts that may be automated in some fashion, there are a lot of different things that go into it.
Now, this is not my software.
This is software by Michael Kennedy from the University of Nebraska.
It’s open source, it’s free to use it’s part of the our, it’s in our package, so uses the programming language.
And that means that because it’s free and open source, we can actually go underneath, go under the hood and inspect to see what goes in the model on how the model works.
So let’s, let’s move this around here.
If you’re unfamiliar with open source software, particularly uncompetitive Which the our programming language is a scripting language and therefore it is uncompelled.
It’s not a binary pieces of code, you can actually look at not only just the software itself, right and explain, the author goes through and explains how to use the software.
But you can, if you’re, again, if you’re a technical person, you can actually click into the software itself and see what’s under the hood, see what the software uses to make decisions.
This and this is this is why open source software is so powerful because I can go in as another user, and see how you work.
How do you work as a piece of software? How are the pieces being put together? And do they use a logic that I agree with now? We can have a debate about whether my opinions about how well the software works should be part of the software, but at the very least, I can know how this works.
So let’s Go into the features.
And every piece of software is going to be different.
This is just this particular author’s syntax and he has done a really good job with it.
We can see the data it’s collecting.
If I scroll down here, like since the last time time of day, the number of retweets number of quotes, all these things, the different clients that it uses, tweets per year, years on Twitter, friends, count follows count ratios.
And all these are numeric.
Many of these are numeric features, that you get the software’s going to tabulate and essentially create a gigantic numerical spreadsheet for it.
And then it’s going to use an algorithm called gradient boosting machines to attempt to classify whether or not an account is is likely about based on some of these features, and there’s actually two sets of features.
There’s that initial file and then there’s another file that looks at things like sentiment tone, uses of different emotions and emotional keywords and the range the it’s called emotional valence, the range of that within an author’s tweets.
So if you’re sharing, for example, in an automated fashion a particular point of view, let’s say it’s, it’s a propaganda for the fictional state of wadiya, right from the movie the dictator, and you are just promoting Admiral General aladeen over and over and over again and you’re gonna have a very narrow range of emotional expression, right? And there’s a good chance you’re going to use one of these pieces of scheduling software, there’s good chance that you will have automated on certain time interval.
And those are all characteristics that this model is looking for to say, you know what this looks kind of like an automated account, your posts are at the same time every single day.
The amount of time between tweets is the exact same amount each time.
The emotion range, the context is all very narrow, almost all the same, probably about as opposed to the way a normal user a human user functions where the, the space between tweets is not normal, it’s not regular, because you’re interacting and participating in conversations, the words you use and the emotions and the sentiment of those words is going to vary sometimes substantially because somebody may angry you or somebody may make you really happy.
And that will be reflected in the language that you use.
And so the way the software works, is essentially quantifying all these different features hundreds of them, and then using this this machine learning technique gradient boosting machines to build sequential models of how likely is this a contributor to a bot like outcome? How regular is this, this data spaced apart? Now the question is, once you know how the model works, do you agree with it? Do you agree that all these different things Factoring sticks are relevant.
Do you agree that all of these are important? In going through this, I have seen some things that like, I don’t agree with that.
Now, here’s the real cool part about open source software, I can take the software, and what’s called fork it basically make a variant of it, that is mine.
And I can make changes to it.
So there are, for example, some Twitter clients in here that aren’t really used anymore, like the companies that made them or have gone out of business.
So you won’t be seeing those in current day tweets, we still want to leave those in big for historical Twitter data.
But I also I want to go into Twitter now and pull a list of the most common Twitter clients being used today and make sure that they’re accounted for in the software, make sure that we’re not missing things that are features that could help us to identify the things I saw in the model itself, they made a very specific choice about the amount of cross validation folds in the in the gradient boosted tree.
If that was just a bunch of words you crossed validation is basically trying over and over again, how many times you we run the experiment to see, is the result substantially similar to what happened the last time? Or is there a wide variance like, hey, that seems like what happened these two times or three times or however many times it was random chance, and is not a repeatable result.
They use a specific number of the software, I think it’s a little low, I would tune that up in my own version.
And then what I would do is I would submit that back to the authors of like a pull request, and say, Hey, I made these changes.
What do you think? And the author go? Yep, I think that’s a sensible change.
Yep.
I think I’ve tweeted a client should be included.
Now, I disagree with you about how many iterations we need or how many trees we need, or how many cross validation folds we need.
And that’s the beauty of this open source software is that I can contribute to it and make those changes.
But to Joanne’s original question.
This is how we define a bot.
Right? The software has an algorithm in it and algorithm, as my friend Tom Webster says is data plus opinions, data plus opinions that we choices we make.
And so by being able to deconstruct the software and see the choices that were made, the opinions that were encoded into code and the data that it relies on, we can say, yes, this is a good algorithm, or no, this algorithm could use some work.
So that’s how we define a bot here.
Maybe in another Saturday night data party will actually hack on the algorithm some and see if it comes up with different results.
I think that would be a fun, very, very, very, very technical Saturday night party.
But it’s a good question.
It’s a good question, I would urge you to ask all of the machine learning systems that you interact with on a regular basis, all the software you interact with on a regular basis.
Is there a bias? Is their opinion being expressed by the developer? What is it and do you agree with it? Does it fit your needs? And if it doesn’t, you may want to consider a solution like open source software where you can customize it to the way you think the system should function.
So good question.
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Jim asks, “Are there any resources that evaluate marketing platforms on the basis of how much racial and gender bias is inherent in digital ad platforms?”
Not that I know of, mostly because in order to make that determination, you’d need access to the underlying data. What you can do is validate whether your particular audience has a bias in it, using collected first party data.
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Veeam in today’s episode, Jim asks, Are there any resources that evaluate marketing platforms on the basis of how much racial and gender biases inherent in digital ad platforms? So Not that I know of, mostly because in order to make a determination about the bias of a platform, you need to look at three different things, right, you need to look at the data set that’s gone in it, the algorithms that have been chosen to run against that.
And ultimately, the model that these these machine platforms use in order to generate results.
And no surprise, the big players like Facebook or Google or whatever, have little to no interest in sharing their underlying data sets because that literally is the secret sauce.
Their data is what gives their machine learning models value.
So what do you do if you are concerned that the platforms that you’re dealing with may have bias of some in them, well first, acknowledge that they absolutely have bias.
And then because they are trained on human data and humans have biases.
For the purposes of this discussion, let’s focus on.
Let’s focus on the machine definition of bias, right? Because there’s a lot of human definitions.
The machine or statistical definition is that a bias is if something is calculated in a way that is systematically different than the population being estimated, right? So if you have a population, for example, that is 5050.
And your data set is 6044.
At any statistic, you have a bias, right? It is systematically different than the population you’re looking at.
Now, there are some biases, that that’s fine, right? Because they’re not what are called protected classes.
If you happen to cater to say people who own Tesla cars, right? Not everybody in the population has a Tesla car.
And so if your database is unusually overweight in that aspect, that’s okay that is a bias, but it is not one that is protected.
This actually is a lovely list here of what are considered protected classes, right? We have race, creed or religion, national origin, ancestry, gender, age, physical and mental disability, veteran status, genetic information and citizenship.
These are the things that are protected against bias legally in the United States of America.
Now, your laws in your country may differ depending on where you are.
But these are the ones that are protected in the US.
And because companies like Facebook and Google and stuff are predominantly us base, headquartered here, and are a lot of their data science teams and such are located in the United States.
These are at the minimum the things that should be protected.
Again, your country, your locality, like the EU, for example.
may have additional things that are also prohibited.
So what do we do with this information? How do we determine if we’re dealing with some kind of bias? Well, this is an easy tools to get started with right, knowing that these are some of the characteristics.
Let’s take Facebook, for example, Facebook’s Audience Insights tells us a lot about who our audience is.
So there are some basic characteristics.
Let’s go ahead and bring up this year.
This is people who are connected to my personal Facebook page and looking at age and gender relationship and education level.
Remember that things like relationship status and education level are not protected classes, but it still might be good to know that there is a bias that the the, my data set is statistically different than the underlying data.
Right.
So here we see for example, in my data set, I have zero percent males between the ages of 25 and 34.
Whereas the general population there is going to be like, you know, 45% of give or take, we see that my, in the 45 to 54 bracket, I am 50% of that group there.
So there’s definite bias towards men there, there is a bias towards women in the 35 to 50 to 44 set is a bias towards women in the 55 to 64 set.
So you can see in this data, that there are differences from the underlying all Facebook population, this tells me that there is a bias in my pages data now, is that meaningful? Maybe, is that something that I should be calibrating my marketing on? No, because again, gender and age are protected classes.
And I probably should not be creating content that or doing things that potentially could leverage one of these protected classes in a way that is illegal.
Now, that said, If your product is or services aimed at a specific demographic like I sold, I don’t know, wrenches, right, statistically, there’s probably gonna be more men in general, who would be interested in wrenches than women.
not totally.
But enough, that would be a difference.
In that case, I’d want to look at the underlying population, see if I could calibrate it against the interests to see it not the Facebook population as a whole.
But the category that I’m in to make sure that I’m behaving in a way that is representative of the population from a data perspective.
This data exists.
It’s not just Facebook.
So this is from I can’t remember what IPAM stands for.
It’s the University of Minnesota.
they ingest population data from the US Census Bureau Current Population Survey.
It’s micro data that comes out every month.
And one of the things you can do is you can go in and use their little shopping tool to pull out all sorts of age and demographic variables including industry, and what you weren’t, you know, and class of worker, you can use this information.
It’s anonymized.
So you’re not going to violate anyone’s personally identifiable information, but synonymous.
And what you would do is you would extract the information from here, it’s free look at your industry, and get a sense for things like age and gender and race and marital status, veteran status, disability, and for your industry get a sense of what is the population.
Now, you can and should make an argument that there will be some industries where there is a substantial skew already from the general population, for example, programming skews unusually heavily male.
And this is for a variety of reasons we’re not going to go into right now but acknowledge that that’s a thing.
And so one of the things you have to do when you’re evaluating this data and then making decisions on is, is the skew acceptable and is the skewed protected, right? So in the case of, for example, marital status marital status is not a protected class.
So is that something that if your database skews one way or the other doesn’t matter? Probably not.
Is it material to your business where we sell, for example, Trust Insights, sells marketing insights, completely immaterial.
So we can just ignore it.
If you sell things like say wedding bands, marital status might be something you’d want to know.
Because there’s a good chance at some of your customers.
Not everybody goes and buys new rings all the time.
Typically, it’s a purchase happens very, very early on in a long lasting marriage.
On the other hand, age, gender, race that are those are absolutely protected classes.
So you want to see is there a skew in your industry compared to the general population and then is that skew acceptable? If you are hiring, that skews not acceptable, right? You cannot hire for a specific race.
Not allowed.
You cannot have For a specific age, not allowed.
So a lot of this understanding will help you calibrate your data.
Once you have the data from the CPS survey, you would then take it and look at your first party data and like your CRM software, your marketing automation software, if you have the information.
And if you have that information, then you can start to make the analysis.
Is my data different than our target population? Which is the group we’re drawing from? Is that allowed? And is it materially harmful in some way? So that’s how I would approach this.
It’s a big project and it is a project that is you have to approach very, very carefully and with legal counsel, I would say, if you are, if you suspect that you have a bias and that that bias may be materially harmful to your audience, you should approach it with legal counsel so that you protect yourself you protect your customers, you protect the audience you serve, and you make sure you’re doing things the right way.
I am not a lawyer.
So good question.
We could spend a whole lot of time on this.
But there’s there’s a lot to unpack here, but this is a good place to start.
Start with populate Population Survey data.
Start with the data that these tools give you already and look for drift between your population and the population you’re sampling from your follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.
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Jessica asks, “What are the best tools for cleaning data?”
That’s a fairly broad question. It’s heavily dependent on what the data is, but I can tell you one tool that will always be key to data cleansing no matter what data set. It’s the neural network between your ears.
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In today’s episode, Jessica asked what are the best tools for cleaning data? So fairly broad question.
It’s really heavily dependent on what the data is because every data set every data type is different.
And our definition of cleaning data also is going to be very different based on what it is we’re trying to do.
There’s a bunch of different types of cleansing you’d want to do.
Do you want to identify anomalies and you want to get rid of them? Do you want to fix missing data are what kinds of things are you looking for? Are you trying to detect corrupted data? All of these different situations require different types of tools for identifying a nominal That one’s pretty straightforward, you can do that, you know, even in an Excel depending on the size of your data you may not want to but for smaller datasets for sure, the spreadsheet will will do fine for at least just identifying anomalies doing basic exploratory data analysis and summarizing your tables.
So things like means and mediums, Interquartile ranges, all these are good for understanding sort of the shape of the data set, and what it does.
For identify corrupted data, that’s a lot harder.
That requires sampling and inspection.
So real simple example if you were to go through your email list.
What are the different ways that you could identify bad emails right? There are going to be some that are obvious like someone who types in gmail.com, but forgets letter I in there in gmail.com That’s something that you can programmatically try to address common misspellings among the most well known domains would be an obvious thing to do.
Other things again, using email as example, you may need specialized tools.
There’s a tool that we use for you upload your email list and it checks them for validity and spits back Hey, here’s a list of the addresses that have gone bad.
You will definitely need something like that for that specific use case.
And that’s again a very specialized tool for missing data.
Depending on the type of data it is, if it’s if it’s categorical or continuous categorical means non numeric, continuous as numeric data for numeric data, you can do things like predictive mean matching, for example to try to infer or impute the data missing.
There’s actually a whole bunch of tools that are really good at this.
I use a bunch of our there’s a bunch in Python as well, that can do everything up to really sophisticated neural networks to essentially guess, at what likely values the data would be.
These have flaws.
Particularly they have flaws on cumulative datasets.
So if you’re doing a running total, and you’ve got a day or two of missing data, they don’t do well with that.
I’m not sure why.
If you have categorical data, there are tools like random forests that can again do that imputation kind of guess what the missing label is, with a caveat that the more data that’s missing, the harder it is for these tools to get it right if you got 1000 lines in a spreadsheet and got six rows that are missing an attribute.
These tools are going to probably Do a pretty decent job of filling in those blanks.
If you got 1000 lines and 500 are missing, you’re going to get salad back a tossed salad, it’s not going to be any use because so much of it’s going to be wrong.
The general rule of thumb with a lot of data sets is if you’re between anywhere between 25 and 40% of the data is missing, you’re not going to be able to do imputation well, and again, to the point of detecting bad inputs, it’s gonna be really hard.
Really, really right there’s some stuff that’s gonna be easy, right? You know, somebody types in test at test COMM And you’re in your marketing automation system, you can filter those out pretty easily, but non obviously fake addresses very difficult and clean those out.
There’s going to be a lot of work, especially if they’re valid but incorrect.
So this is something called spiking.
You can have somebody spike a data set, there was a A political rally and not too long ago where a bunch of Kpop folks and tick talkers reserved a bunch of tickets and flooded the system with bad data.
The challenge is, and this is this should strike fear into the heart of every marketer.
If you collect spurious data, and it is in violation of a law and you use that data, you are liable.
Right, so, let’s say that let’s say that my company is based in California, right? It’s not and you put in my my work email into a system like that, but it was harvested or it was faked.
And you the marketer send me email at assuming that I signed up for this thing.
And I say I did not sign up for this and you don’t adhere to you know, basic best practices for unsubscribes and stuff which a lot of political campaigns don’t.
You can be sued, you can be sued for under the California consumer Privacy Act.
So identifying bad data is very important, but also very, very difficult.
That said, the most powerful, the fastest, but the most important tool for cleaning data is a neural network.
This one right here, right? The tool between your ears is essential for every single one of these scenarios, because you need to bring domain expertise to the data set to understand what needs to be cleaned and what does not.
You need to bring data science experience to the data set to understand what’s possible to clean and what the limitations are.
And you need to bring good old fashioned common sense and the willingness to say, you know what, this isn’t gonna go well.
This is gonna go really badly.
Let’s not do this.
find some other way to get the status if you’re allowed to do so.
That’s the hardest part of gleaning do by far, tools are less important than process.
And that in turn is less important than the people who are doing the work.
Because everything that can go along with data, at some point will, and you’re going to need assistance getting that fixed up.
So, lots.
Lots of challenges in cleaning data.
And cleaning data is one of the things that marketing has traditionally not been really good at.
Hopefully, as more people embrace marketing data science, as more people do work in the field, we will elevate our overall proficiency at cleaning data, and making sure that it is useful and reliable.
The best place to start for learning how to do this honestly, is with something like a spreadsheet and a small data set and you going in and learning All the ways data can go wrong in a data set, you know very well.
So I would start there to teach yourself how to do these things.
And then, as you get into more sophisticated stuff like imputation of missing values, that’s when you’re going to need to bring in extra tools or or different tools.
Chances are, you’ll get to a point where you will need custom tools that you build yourself in order to clean the most complex challenges, so expect to do that at some point.
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I had a chance to sit down with Jason Falls to chat about analytics, data science, and AI. Catch up with us over 35 minutes as we talk about what goes wrong with influencer marketing, why marketers should be cautious with AI, and the top mistake everyone makes with Google Analytics.
Guest Appearance on Digging Deeper With Jason Falls
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Jason Falls
Alright, enough of me babbling. Christopher Penn is here he might be one of the more recognizable voices in the digital marketing world because he and his pal, John Wall are the two you hear on the marketing over coffee podcast. I think that’s in its 14th year. Chris was also one of the cofounders of PodCamp way back before podcasting new wave, which by the way, is actually in its second wave, major wave anyway. He’s also known far and wide for being an analytics and data science guru. I’ve had the pleasure of knowing and working with Chris a number of times over the years and it’s always fun to chat because I come out feeling both overwhelmed with with how much more he knows than me, but also a lot smarter for the experience, Chris, good morning. How are you?
Christopher Penn
I get you know, I’m I’m fine. No one I know is currently in the hospital or morgue. So it’s all good. That’s great.
Jason Falls
So I want to bring people up to speed on how you got to be the analytics ninja you are we can save that real ninja thing for another time. Because for those of you don’t know he is an actual ninja. It’s not just something I throw out there like he’s trained or something I don’t know. But it’s all we’re here to talk about. So, you got your start though in the digital marketing world, I think in the education space, right. Give us that backstory.
Christopher Penn
Yeah, very briefly, education financial services. I joined a start up in 2003, where I was the CIO, the CTO and the guy who cleaned the restroom on Fridays. It was a student loan company and my first foray into digital marketing I was I came in as a technologist to run the web server for an email server and update the website update the web server became update the website you know, fix the email server became send the email newsletter and over the span of seven I basically made the transition into what we now call marketing technology was it had no name back then. And part of that was obviously reporting on what we did, you know, those who have a lot more gray in their hair. Were in the space at the time remember a tool called AWS stats where you had to, you had to manually pull logs from the server and, and render to terrible looking charts. But all that changed in 2005, when a company called Google bought a company called urgent and then rebranded and gave it away as a tool called Google Analytics. And that was the beginning of my analytics journey and has been pretty much doing that ever since in some form, or fashion, because everybody likes to know the results of their work.
Jason Falls
So take me a little bit further back than that though. You entered this startup in 2003, as you know, technologist, but take me back to like, Where did you get your love for analytics data computers, because you and I grew up at roughly about the same time and I didn’t really have access To a lot of computer technology until I was at least probably junior high. So there had to have been some moment in your childhood where you were like,
Ooh, I like doing that what or to come from?
Christopher Penn
That would be when I was seven years old, our family got one of the apple two plus computers that horrendous Bayesian like chocolate brown computer, you know, the super clicky keyboard and the screen screen, two colors black and green. And as of that point, when I realized I really like these things, and more importantly, I could make them do what I wanted them to do.
Jason Falls
So it’s all about control, right?
Christopher Penn
It really is. You know, I was a small kid in school, I got picked on a lot, but I found that information gave me control over myself and more importantly, gave me control over other people. When I was in seventh grade, our school got an apple, two GS in the computer lab, one of many, and the school’s database was actually stored on one of those little three and a half inch floppies. So I at recess one day I went to the lab made a copy of it. took it home because I had the same computer at home. And that was a complete record of 300 students, their grades, their social security number, their medical history, everything because nobody thought of cybersecurity back then, like who in the hell would want this information to begin with? Well, it turns out a curious seventh grader, and just be able to understand that this is what a database is, this is what it does. These are all the threads, I call them that that make up the tapestry of your life. You see them very early on, they just keep showing up over and over again. You know, whenever I talk to younger folks these days and say, like I don’t want I want to do for for my career, like look back at your past, there are threads that are common throughout your history. If you find them, if you look through them, you’ll probably get a sense of what it is that you are meant to be doing.
Jason Falls
So cybersecurity is your fault that we’ve learned. And so I take it you would probably credit maybe your parents for keeping you from taking that data and like stealing everyone’s identity. And, you know, being being a criminal or not. Right?
Christopher Penn
Well, so again, back then, it was so new that nobody thought, Oh, how can you misuse this data, there really wasn’t an application for it right? Back then there was no internet that was publicly accessible. So it’s not like a contact, you know, Vladimir, the Russian identity broker and sell them off for seven bucks apiece. You couldn’t do that back then. So it was more just a curiosity. Now, you know, kids growing up today are like, in a much different world than than we were where that information is even more readily available, but it also has much greater consequences.
Jason Falls
All right, I’m gonna jump over to the comments already because our friend hustling main has jumped in with a good one. Right off the bat. What are but what is his animal what’s what are people’s biggest analytics mistake Google Analytics or other? What should everyone do to set up at a minimum analytics wise is Google Analytics where you start or How would you advise someone who doesn’t know anything about analytics to set up? And what a mistake do people most often make with analytics?
Christopher Penn
The one they most often make is they start data puking. That’s something that Avinash Kaushik says a lot, but I love the expression and it is you get in Google Analytics there are and I counted 510 different dimensions and metrics, you have access to four for the average business, you’re probably going to need five of them, you know, that there’s like three to five you should really pay attention to and they’re different per business. So the number one thing that people do wrong, and that is the starting point, I was talking with my partner and co founder, Katie robear, about this yesterday. Take a sheet of paper, right? You don’t need anything fancy. What are the business goals and measures you care about? And you start writing them from the bottom of the operations follow to the top? And then you ask yourself, well, checkbox. Can I measure this in Google Analytics? Yes or no? So like for a b2b company sales, can I measure that analytics? No, you can’t. Can I measure opportunities? deals? Probably not. No. Can I measure leads? Yes. Okay. Great. That’s where you’re going. analytics journey starts because the first thing you can measure is what goes in Google Analytics. And then you know, you fill in the blanks for the for the rest. If you do that, then it brings incredible clarity to this is what is actually important. That’s what you should be measuring, as opposed to here’s just a bunch of data. When you look at the average dashboard that like that, like, you know, every marketing and PR and ad agency puts together, they throw a bunch of crap on there. It’s like, oh, here’s all these things and impressions and hits and engagements like Yeah, but what does that have to do with like, something that I can take to the bank or get close to taking into the bank? If you focus on the the your operations funnel and figure out where do I map this to, then your dashboards have a lot more meaning? And by the way, it’s a heck of a lot easier to explain it to a stakeholder, when you say you generated 40% more leads this month, rather than get 500 new impressions and 48 new followers on Twitter and 15% engagement and they’re like, what does that mean? But they go I know what leads are? Yep,
Jason Falls
that’s true. And just to clarify, folks To translate here, probably the smartest man in the world just gave you advice that I always give people, which is keep it simple, stupid. Like, yeah, drill it down. And I say keep it simple, stupid so that I understand it. That’s that’s my goal and saying that phrase. But if you boil it down to the three or four things that matter, well, that’s what matters.
Christopher Penn
Yeah. Now, if you want to get fancy,
Unknown Speaker
Oh, here we go.
Christopher Penn
Exactly. If you want to get fancy, you don’t have to necessarily do that. There are tools and software that will take all the data that you have, assuming that it’s in an orderly format, and run that analysis for you. Because sometimes you’ll get I hate the word because it’s so overused, but you will, it does actually, there are synergies within your data. There are things that combined together have a greater impact than individually apart. The example I usually give is like if you take your email open rates and your social media engagement rates, you may find that those things together may generate a better lead generation rate. Then either one alone, you can’t see that you and I cannot see that in the data. It’s just, you know that much data that much math, it’s not that something our brains can do. But software can do that particularly. There’s one package I love using called IBM Watson Studio. And in there, there’s a tool called auto AI, and you give it your data, and it does its best to basically build you a model saying, This is what we think are the things that go together best. It’s kind of like, you know, cooking ingredients, like it automatically figures out what combination of ingredients go best together. And when you have that, then suddenly your dashboards start to really change because you’re like, Okay, we need to keep an eye on these, even though this may not be an intuitive number, because it’s a major participant and that number you do care about.
Unknown Speaker
Very nice.
Jason Falls
One of the many awesome things about that the marketing world not just me, but the marketing world loves about you is how willing you are to answer people’s questions. In fact, that’s basically your blog. Now your whole series of you ask I answer is almost all of what you post these days, but it’s really simple to do that. You have an area of expertise, right? People ask you questions, your answers are great blog content. Has anyone ever stumped you?
Christopher Penn
Oh, yeah, people stopped me all the time. People stopped me because they have questions that where there isn’t nearly enough data to answer the question well, or there’s a problem that is challenging. I feel like you know, what, I don’t actually know how to solve that particular problem. Or it’s an area where there’s so much specialization that I don’t know enough. So one area that, for example, I know not nearly enough about is the intricacies of Facebook advertising, right. There are so many tips and tricks, I was chatting with my friend and hopeless you who runs social Squibb, which is a Facebook ads agency, and I have a saint, right, like, I’m running this campaign. I’m just not seeing the results. Like, can you take a look at it, we barter back and forth. Every now and again. I’ll help her with like tag management analytics, and she’ll help me with Facebook ads, she opens a campaign looks it goes, Well, that’s wrong. That’s wrong. That’s wrong. fix these things. Turn this up, turn that off. Like Two minutes later, the campaign is running the next day later, it has a some of the best results I’ve ever gotten on Facebook. I did not know that I was completely stumped by the software itself. But the really smart people in business and in the world, have a guild advisory councils, a close knit group of friends something with different expertise, so that every time you need, like, I need somebody who’s creative, I’ll go to this person, I need somebody who knows Facebook as I’ll go to this person. If you don’t have that, make that one of the things you do this year, particularly now, this time of year, where you’re sitting at home in a pandemic. Hopefully, you’re wearing a mask when you’re not. And you have the opportunity to network with and reach out to people that you might not have access to otherwise, right because everyone used to be like in conference rooms and it means all day long. And now we’re all just kind of hanging out on video chat going out why don’t go do with it. That’s a great opportunity to network and get to know people in a way that is much lower pressure, especially for people who, you know, were crunched on time, they can fit 15 minutes in for a zoom call, you might be able to build a relationship that really is mutually beneficial.
Jason Falls
The biggest takeaway from this show today, folks, we’ll be Crispin gets stumped. Okay? I don’t feel so bad. So that’s,
Christopher Penn
that’s, that’s good. If you’re not stumped, you’re doing it wrong. That’s a good point. If you’re not stumped, you’re not learning. I am stumped. Every single day, I was working on a piece of client code just before we signed on here. And I’m going I don’t know what the hell is wrong with this thing. But there’s something erroring out, you know, like in line 700 of the code. I gotta go fix that later. But it’s good. It’s good because it tells me that I am not bored and that I have not stagnated. If you are not stumped, you are stagnated and your career is in trouble.
Jason Falls
There you go. So you are the person that I typically turn to to ask measurement analytics questions. So you You’re You’re my guild council member of that. And so I want to turn around a scenario, something that I would probably laugh at you, for other people as a hypothetical here, just so that they can sort of apply. here’s, here’s, you know, what Crispin thinks about this, or this is a way that he would approach this problem. And I don’t know that you’ve ever solved this problem, but I’m going to throw it out there anyway, and try to stump you maybe a little bit here on the show. So on on this show, we try to zero in on creativity, but advertising creative, whether campaigns or individual elements are kind of vague, or at least speculative in terms of judging which creative is, let’s say, more impactful or more successful. And the reason I say that is you have images, you have videos, you have graphics, you have copy, a lot of different factors go into it, but you also have distribution placement, targeting all these other factors that are outside of the creative itself, that affect performance. So so much goes into a campaign campaign being successful. I think it’s hard to judge the creative itself. So if I were to challenge you to help cornet or any other agency or any other marketer out there that has creative content, images, videos, graphics, copy, whatever. So, put some analytics or data in place to maybe compare and contrast creative, not execution, just the creative. Where would you start with that?
Christopher Penn
You can’t just do couplet because it literally is all the same thing. If you think back to Bob stones, 1968 direct marketing framework, right? lists offer creative in that order. The things that mattered you have the right list is already in our modern times the right audience. Do you have the right offer that appeals to that audience right if we have a bourbon, bourbon crowd, right, a bourbon audience, and then my offer is for light beer. That’s not going to go real well? Well, depending on the light beer, I guess, but if it’s, you know, it’s something that I really had to swear in this show are now Sure. In 1976 Monty Python joke American beers like sex of the canoe, it’s fucking close to water. You have that compared to the list, and you know, that’s gonna be a mismatch, right? So those two things are important. And then the creative. The question is, what are the attributes that you have is that was the type, what is what’s in it, when it comes to imagery that things like colors and shapes and stuff. And you’re going to build out essentially a really big table of all this information, flight dates, day of week, hour of day. And then you have at the right hand side, the response column, which is like the performance. Again, the same process use with Google Analytics you would use with this, assuming you can get all the data, you stick it into a machine like, you know, IBM Watson Studio, and say, You tell me what combination of variables leads to the response, the highest level of response, and you’re gonna need a lot of data to do this. The machines will do that. And then will spit back the answer and then you have to look at it and and and prove it and make sure that it came up with something unintelligible. But once you do, you’ll see which attributes from the creative side actually matter what Animation, did it feature a person? What color scheme was it again, there’s all this metadata that goes with every creative, that you have to essentially tease out and put into this analysis. But that’s how you would start to pick away at that. And then once you have that, essentially, it’s a regression analysis. So you have a correlation, it is then time to test it, because you cannot say, for sure, that is the thing until you that’s it it says, ads that are that are read in tone and feature two people drinking seem to have the highest combination of variables. So now you create a test group of just you know, ads of two people drinking and you see does that outperform? You know, and ads have a picture of a plant and you know, two dogs and a cat and chicken and see, is that actually the case? And if you do that and you prove you know, with its statistical significance, yep. To an attitude people drinking is the thing. Now you have evidence that you’ve done this. It’s the scientific method. It’s the same thing that we’ve been doing for you. It was asking For millennia, it’s just now we have machines to assist us with a lot of the data crunching.
Jason Falls
Okay. So when you’re narrowing in on statistical significance to say, Okay, this type of ad works better. And this is a mistake I think a lot of people make is they’ll do you know, some light testing, so maybe split testing, if you will. And then they’ll say, Okay, this one performs better. Let’s put all of our eggs in that basket. I wonder where your breaking point is for statistical significance, because if I’ve got, let’s say, five different types of creative, and I do as many A B tests as I need to do to figure out which one performs better, I’ve always been of the opinion, you don’t necessarily put all your eggs in one basket. Because just because this performs better than this doesn’t mean that this is irrelevant. It doesn’t mean that this is ineffective, it just means this one performs better. And maybe this one performs better with other subgroups or whatever. So what’s your Cygnus statistical significance tipping point to say? All eggs go in one basket versus not
Christopher Penn
Well, you raise a good point. That’s something that our friend and colleague Tom Webster over Edison research says, which is if you do an A B split test and you get a 6040 test, right? You run into what he calls the optimization trap where you continually optimize for smaller and smaller audiences until you make one person deliriously happy and everyone else hates you. When in reality, version, a goes to 60% of slides and version beats goes to 40% of the audience. If you throw away version B, you’re essentially pissing off 40% of your audience, right? You’re saying that group of people doesn’t matter. And no one thinks Tom says this, would you willingly throw away 40% of your revenue? Probably not. In terms of like AB statistical testing, I mean, there’s any number of ways you can do that. And the most common is like p values, you know, testing p values to see like is the p value below 0.05 or below, but it’s no longer a choice you necessarily need to make depending on how sophisticated your marketing technology is. If you have the ability to segment your audience to two Three, four or five pieces and deliver content that’s appropriate for each of those audiences, then why throw them away? Give the audience in each segment what it is they want, and you will make them much happier. Malcolm Gladwell had a great piece on this back in, I think it was the tipping point when he was talking about coffee, like you, and this isn’t his TED Talk to which you can watch on YouTube, is he said, If you know if you ask people what they want for coffee, everyone says dark, rich, hearty roast, but he said about 30% of people want milky week coffee. And if you make a coffee for them, the satisfaction scores go through the roof and people are deliriously happy, even though they’re saying the opposite of what they actually want. So in this testing scenario, why make them drink coffee that they actually wouldn’t want? Why not give them the option if it’s a large enough audience and that is a constraint on manpower and resources?
Jason Falls
Now, you talked about Tom Webster who is at Edison research and doesn’t A lot of polling and surveying as a part of what he does, I know you have a tendency to deal more with the ones and zeros versus the, you know, the human being element of whatnot. But I want to get your perspective on this. I got in a really heated argument one time with a CEO, which I know not smart on my part. But about the efficiency in sample sizes, especially for human surveys and focus groups, he was throwing research at me that was done with like, less than 50 people like a survey of less than 50 people. I’ve never been comfortable with anything less than probably 200 or so to account for any number of factors, including diversity of all sorts, randomness, and so on. If you’re looking at a data set of survey data, which I know you typically look at, you know, millions and millions of lines of data at a time, so we’re not talking about that kind of volume. But if you were designing a survey or a data set for someone, what’s too little of a sample size for you to think, Okay, this is this is going to be relevant. It depends. It depends on the population size you’re serving. So if you’re serving if you got a survey of 50 people, right You’re surveying the top 50 CMOS, guess what, you need only 50 people, right?
Christopher Penn
You don’t really need a whole lot more than that because you’ve literally got 100% of the data of the top 50 CMOS. There are actual calculators online, you’ll find all over the place called your sample size calculators and is always dependent on the population size and how well the population is is mixed. Again, referring to our friend Tom, he likes to do talks about you know, soup, right, if you have a, a tomato soup, and it’s stirred Well, you only need a spoonful to test the entire pot of soup, right. On the other hand, if you have a gumbo, there’s a lot of lumpy stuff in there. And one spoonful may not tell you everything you need to know about that gumbo, right? Like oh, look, there’s a shrimp, this whole thing made of shrimp Nope. And so a lot goes into the data analysis of how much of a sample Do you need to reach the population size in a representative way where you’re likely to hit on All the different factors. That’s why when you see national surveys like the United States, you can get away with like 1500 people or 2000 people to represent 330 million, as long as they’re randomized and sampled properly. When you’re talking about, you know, 400 people or 500 people, you’re going to need, like close to 50% of the audience because there are, there’s enough chance that this is that one crazy person. That’s gonna throw the whole thing up. But that one crazy person is the CEO of a Fortune 50 company, right? And you want to know that the worst mistakes though, are the ones where you’re sampling something that is biased, and you make a claim that it’s not biased. So there are any number of companies HubSpot used to be especially guilty of this back in the day, they would just run a survey to their email list and say this represents the view of all marketers, nope, that represent the people who like you. And there’s a whole bunch of people who don’t like you and don’t aren’t on your mailing list and won’t respond to a survey. And even in cases like that, if you send out a survey to your mailing list The people who really like you are probably going to be the ones to respond. So that’s even a subset of your own audience that is not representative, even of your audience because there’s a self selection bias. Market research and serving as something that Tom says all the time is a different discipline is different than data analytics because it uses numbers and math, but in a very different way. It’s kind of like the difference between, you know, prose and poetry. Yes, they both use words and letters, but they use them in a very different way. And you’re one is not a substitute for the other.
Jason Falls
Right. Wow. I love the analogy. And Chad Holsinger says he loves the soup analogy, which gives me the opportunity to tell people my definition of soup, which I think is important for everybody to understand. I’ve never liked any kind of soup because soup to me is hot water with junk shit in it. So there you go. I’m checking in a couple of the new chip Griffin back at the beginning said this is going to be good. Hello, Chip. Good to see you. Chip had a really great look for chip on the Facebook’s. He had a really great live stream yesterday that I caught just A few seconds of and I still want to go back and watch for all of you folks in the agency world about how to price your services. And and so I was like, Oh man, I really need to watch this, but I gotta go to this call. So I’m gonna go back and watch that chip. Thanks for chiming in here. On your Rosina is here today. She’s with restream restream Yo, there you go. So Jason online slash Restream. For that Kathy calibers here again. Hello, Kathy. Good to see you again. Peter Cook is here as well. Peter Cook is our Director of interactive at cornet so good to see him chiming in and supporting the franchise. Okay, Chris, back to my hypothetical similar scenario but not as complicated and don’t think you’ve got a friend who owns a business size is kind of irrelevant here. Because I think this applies no matter what they want to invest in influencer marketing, which as you know, is one of my favorite topics because I get the book I’m working on. What advice would you give your friend to make sure they design a program to know what they’re getting out of their influencer so they can understand Which influencers are effective or efficient? which ones aren’t and or is influencer marketing good for them or not?
Christopher Penn
So it’s a really there’s a bunch of questions to unpack in there. First of all, what’s the goal? The program, right is if you look at the customer journey, where is this program going to fit, and it may fit in multiple places. But you’ll need different types of influences for different parts of the customer journey. There’s three very broad categories of influences. I wrote about this in a book back in 2016, which is out of print now, and I have to rewrite at some point. But there’s there’s essentially the, again, this is the sort of the expert, there’s the mayor, and then there’s the loud mouth, right? Most of the time when people talk about influences they think it aloud mouth the Kardashians of the world, like, how can I get, you know, 8 million views on my, you know, perfumer, unlicensed pharmaceutical. But there’s this whole group in the middle called these mayor’s these are the folks that B2B folks really care about. These are the folks that like, hey, Jason, do you know somebody at HP that I could talk to To introduce my brand, right I don’t need an artist 8 million I need you to connect me with the VP of Marketing at HP so that I can hopefully win a contract. That’s a really important influencer. And it’s one you don’t see a lot because there’s not a lot of very big splash. There’s no sexiness to it. So So yeah, let me send an email, and I’ll connect you and they’ll eight and 8 million deal later, like holy crap, do. I owe Jason in case of bourbon, and then give me three or four cases of murder. And then there’s then there’s the expert, right, which is kind of what you’re doing here, which is, there are some people again, for those folks who have a lot of gray hair, they remember back in the in the 70s and 80s. There’s whole ad series, you know that when EF Hutton talks, everyone listens. Right? The bank, the advisory firm, and it’s kind of the same thing. There are folks who don’t necessarily have huge audiences, but they have the right audience. You know, I hold up like my friend Tom Webster is one of those like when he says something when he read something, I’m gonna go read it. I don’t need I don’t even need to, to think like, Do I have time to read this? Nope. I just got to go and read what he has to say. And so depending on the the goal of your campaign, you need to figure out which of those three influencers types you want and what your expected outcome is. Second after that is how are you going to measure it? What is the the measurement system if you’re doing awareness, you should be benchmarking certainly giving your influencers you know, coded links to track direct traffic, but also you’re going to want to look at branded search and and co co branded search. So if I’m, if I search for yo Jason falls and Chris Penn, how many times that search for in the last month after do the show, if it’s zero, then you know, we didn’t really generate any interest in the show. If on the other hand, I see that’s spike up even for a little while, okay, people watched and or have heard about this and want to go look for it. So branded organic search sort of at the top. If you’re not using affiliate links, and affiliate type style tracking with your influencers and your goal is lead generation, you’ve missed the boat, you’ve completely missed the boat. And you know, for those for those like you know, may or may not influencers that’s where you’re going to track that directly into CRM like hey, Jason referred you know Patricia to me over HP you just track that code in your CRM and then later on because he did that, did that deal close? Or do we even was she even receptive like because you can have a terrible sales guy who just sucks It’s not your fault as the influencer for referring somebody who then the sales guy completely hosed the deal but at least you got the at bat. So for influencer marketing it’s it’s knowing the types having clear measures upfront and baking that into the contract again, this is something that I’ve seen brands do horrendously bad at they’ll the influences push for activity based metrics. I’m going to put up eight Facebook posts and four photos on Instagram. I remember I was doing work for an automotive client a couple years ago and they engage this one fashion influencer said I’m going to be a do for Instagram photos and and eight tweets and it’s gonna cost you140,000 for the day and that was it. And the brand’s like, sure sign us up and like are you insane and she You’re not even just doing a complicated regression analysis after the fact we did an analysis on, you know, even just the brand social metrics and it didn’t move the needle along the person got great engagement on their account. But you saw absolutely no crossover. And the last part is the deliverables, what is it you’re getting? So the measurements are part of the deliverables, but you have to get the influence just to put in writing, here’s what I’m delivering to you. And it’s more than just activity, it’s like you’re going to get for example, in a brand takeover and influence takes over a brand account, you should see a minimum of like 200 people cross over because they should have that experience from previous engagements they, they probably know they can get like 500 or thousand people to cross over with a sign the line for 200 they know though that they’ll nail it. Again, these are all things that you have to negotiate with the influencer and probably their agent, and it’s gonna be a tough battle. But if they’re asking for money and asking for a lot of money, you have every right to say what am I getting for my money and if they are not comfortable giving answers, you probably have some Who’s not worth worth the fight?
Jason Falls
Great advice. So I know you do a lot. A lot of the work you’re doing now with Trust Insights is focused on artificial intelligence. And you’ve got a great ebook, by the way on
AI for marketers, which I’ll drop a link to in the
show notes. So people can find that, how is AI affecting brands and businesses now that maybe we don’t even realize what are the possibilities for businesses to leverage AI for their marketing success?
Christopher Penn
So AI is this kind of a joke? Ai is only found in PowerPoints to the people who actually practice it’s called machine learning, which is somewhat accurate. Artificial Intelligence is just a way of doing things faster, better and cheaper, right, that’s at the end of the day. It’s like spreadsheets. I often think when I hear people talking about AI in these mystical terms, why did you talk about spreadsheets the same way 20 years ago, like this is going to this mystical thing that will fix our business, probably not. At the end of the day. It really is just a bunch of math, right? It’s stats probability, some calculus and linear algebra. And it’s all on either classifying or predicting something. That’s really all it does at the end of the day, whether it’s an image, whether it is video, what no matter what brands are already using it even they don’t know they’re using it. They’re already using it. Like if you use Google Analytics on a regular basis, you are using artificial intelligence because it’s a lot built into the back end. If using Salesforce or HubSpot, or any of these tools. There’s always some level of machine learning built in, because that’s how these companies can scale their products. Where it gets different is are you going to try to use the technology above and beyond what the vendor gives you? Are you going to do some of these more complicated analyses are going to try and take the examples we talked about earlier, from Google Analytics and stuff that into IBM Watson Studio and see if its model comes up with something better? That’s the starting point, I think, for a lot of companies is to figure out, is there a use case for something that is very repetitive, or something that we frankly, just don’t have the ability to figure out but a tool does. Can we start there? The caution is And the warning is, there’s a whole bunch number one, this is all math. It’s not magic AI is math magic. If you can’t do regular math, you’re not going to be able to do with AI. Ai only knows what you give it right is called machine learning for a reason, because machines are learning from the data we give it, which means the same rules that applies last 70 years in computing apply here, garbage in, garbage out. And there is a very, very real risk in AI particularly about any kind of decision making system, that you are reinforcing existing problems because you’re feeding the existing data in that already has problems, you’re going to create more of those same problems, because that’s what the machine learned how to do. Amazon saw this two years ago, when they trained an HR screening system to look at resumes, and it stopped hiring women immediately. Why cuz you fed it a database of 95% men, of course, it’s going to stop hiring women. You didn’t think about the training data you’re sending it given what’s happening in The world right now and with things like police brutality and with systemic racism, everybody has to be asking themselves, am I feeding our systems data that’s going to reinforce problems? I was at a conference the mahr tech conference. Last year, I saw this vendor that had this predictive customer matching system four, and they were using Dunkin Donuts as an example. And it brought up this map of the city of Boston, then, you know, there are dots all over red dots for ideal customers, black dots for not ideal customers. And, again, for those of you who are older, you probably have heard the term redlining. This is where banks in the 30s would draw lines on a map red line saying we’re not gonna lend to anybody in these predominantly black parts of the city. This software put up Boston said, Here’s where all your ideal customers were, and you look at Roxbury, Dorchester, matapan ash bond, all black dots, I’m like, Are you fucking kidding me? You’re telling me there’s not a single person in these areas that doesn’t drink that no one drinks Dunkin Donuts, coffee. You’re full of shit. You’re totally full of shit. What you have done. You have redlined these these predominately black areas of the city for marketing purposes. I was at another event two years ago in Minneapolis. And I was listening to it an insurance company say, we are not permitted to discriminate on policy pricing and things like that we’re not permitted to that by law. So what would you do to get around that is we only market to white sections of the city is effectively what they said, I’m like, I don’t believe you just said that out loud. I’m never doing business with you. But the danger with all these systems with AI in particular is it helps us it’s like coffee, it helps us make our mistakes faster, and then bigger. And we got to be real, real careful to make sure that we’re not reinforcing existing problems as we apply these technologies. Now, when you start small, like, Can I figure out you know, what gets me better leads in Google Analytics that’s relatively safe, but the moment you start touching in on any kind of data at the individual level, you run some real risks of of reinforcing existing biases and you don’t want to be doing that for any number of reasons is the easiest one is it’s illegal.
Jason Falls
Yeah, that’s good. Well, if people watching or listening, didn’t know why I love Crispin before they do now, because holy crap we could. It’s a master’s thesis every time I talk to you and I always learned something great. Thank you so much for spending some time with us this morning. Tell people I’ve got links to copy and paste but tell people where they can find you on the interwebs.
Christopher Penn
two places to the easiest to go Trust. insights.ai is my company and our blog and all the good stuff there. We have a pocket weekly podcast there too called In-Ear Insights. And then my personal website, Christopher, Penn calm, easiest. You find all the stuff there and you can find your way to all the other channels from those places. But those are the two places to go Trust insights.ai and Christopher Penn calm. That’s great. Chris,
Jason Falls
thank you so much for taking some time and sharing some knowledge with us today. Always great to talk to you, man. You too Take care, sir. All right, Christopher pin want help solving
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Steve asks, “I’m looking for a dataset of companies that are actively selling on Amazon. How would you as a marketing data scientist approach this problem?”
That’s an interesting question. To my knowledge, there aren’t publicly available, free datasets of this sort (though please leave a link in the comments if you know one), so you’ll have to do a bit of leg work to create your own. Tools like BuiltWith and Hubspot can be a big help here.
You Ask, I Answer: Company-Level Amazon Ecommerce Datasets?
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In today’s episode, Steve asks, I’m looking for a data set of companies that are actively selling on Amazon.
How would you as a data scientist approach this problem? Hmm? Well, that’s an interesting question.
To my knowledge, I don’t know that there are any publicly available free data sets of this source that would do this thing, you probably end up building your own.
If, by the way, if anyone knows of, if you know of a data set that is publicly available and free, or even if it’s not, I mean, it’s available and it just cost money.
leave a link in the comments below if you would.
For something like this, you’re gonna have to do a bit of legwork.
You got to create your own and what you’ll have to do is first look at If you know if you have a known subset of companies that you know for sure are selling on Amazon, then go to their websites and look for indicators that would help you classify those companies as Amazon sellers and then build a second data set of companies you know, are not not selling on Amazon.
And what you’re going to do is you’re looking for specific characteristics to try and identify something that in an automated fashion that indicates that yes, this company is an Amazon seller.
There are really good tools built with is one HubSpot actually hub spots free CRM is another that can analyze the most common technologies being used by a company’s website and provide that information to you.
In fact, let’s let’s bring this up here.
So this is what you see.
This is inside of HubSpot.
This is a company it’s based in Los Angeles.
You can see it has the timezone there and then it has a box Start at the bottom called web technologies.
And you can see for this particular company on their website, they’ve got Microsoft Exchange for the email, YouTube, Google Tag Manager, Facebook advertiser, pixel, office 365, Adobe analytics, Adobe DTM recapture Google Analytics, ad roll and outlook.
So this list of technologies are for this particular company.
Now, this is not an Amazon reseller.
This is just some company picked out of the pile randomly.
This company has this set of particular technologies and these are good indicators of what their Mar tech stack looks like.
So from a an analysis perspective, you’re going to want to create a data set, you know, 50 or 100, known Amazon sellers, and 50 or 100, known non Amazon sellers.
And you’re going to want to extract this data from Hubspot or from built with either either companies data is fine and put it together and Some sort of spreadsheet.
Or if you want to get more sophisticated and use some of the more fancy tools like Python or R, you could certainly do that.
But ultimately, what you want to do is you want to build a profile of what are the common technologies in use by an Amazon seller? What are the common technologies that are in use by non Amazon sellers? And what’s the difference? Is there a particular technology that predicts pretty well, or a combination of technologies that predict pretty well, that a company is an Amazon seller, there’s certain things that are just dead giveaways.
Like, that’s what this this company does, or this this company has.
For example, Amazon has tracking tags, right? There’s tons of tracking tags that they offer for affiliates.
Are those are those the ones is that is that a good indicator? Or are those tags so prevalent that it’s a it’s a misleading signal? You won’t know until you do the data analysis, but once you have that, then you’ll have a The the key essentially to being able to identify a list of companies then from there, you load those companies into, you know, built with or Hubspot or whatever, just willy nilly.
And as you can see, one of the things that these tools will also do is give you a general sense mostly for publicly traded companies of what their annual revenue is, how many employees they have, etc.
And that will really help identify and separate out these different types of companies.
It is going to be a lot of work.
It is a lot, a lot of work.
And it’s very manual work, because you have to hunt down those companies on Amazon, and then equally, pull together a list of others of other ecommerce companies that are not on Amazon.
But that training dataset, you’re gonna want a good sample, you’re gonna want to 50 or 100 companies in either category that will give you a robust enough data set.
To see the patterns in it to see there’s a certain you know certain things that almost everybody Amazon always uses on their websites.
There may not be a pattern that is a risk with a project like this, there may not be a pattern but then you know that you know that that is no longer something you can rely on.
And you’ll have to source the data some other way.
That knowledge alone has value.
That knowledge alone, even if there’s not a there there, that knowledge alone will tell you.
Okay.
We know that these web technologies or company size or number of employees, or year they were founded or publicly traded or not, are good or bad indicators of whether a company sells on Amazon or not as an e commerce company.
Pull the data together.
Your best bet is going to be to store it in a spreadsheet initially And ideally, what what comes out of Hubspot is like I know, at least for the Hubspot API is all the technologies come out in one big text string, and one of the things you have to do is you have to separate that out into different columns, which is not a lot of fun, but it is doable.
And then what I would suggest doing is turning each of those into flags.
So for example, Google Analytics is a one for Yeah, zero for No.
And then you have essentially a spreadsheet with 50 or 100 columns on it.
And then for each company, you would have a field indicate like Amazon seller, yes, no, or one zero.
And then you know, Google Analytics, one, zero, Microsoft Exchange, one, zero, YouTube, one, zero, that data format, will let you do the analysis very quickly.
Because you can start to add up, count the numbers of you know, ones and zeros need to the columns.
And that will give you a much better more robust analysis.
As I said, it’s going to take some time.
But if you approach it with this methodology about the 50 to 100, things you have in common and the 50 to 100 that are not in your target audience and the things they have in common, and looking for the intersections between the two, you will get an answer of some kind.
If you don’t get that answer, then you also know that there’s a pretty good chance anyone selling a list? You would have to at least grill them really well.
Okay, how did you get this information? What criteria? How did you scrape the information? And if if they they say, Well, you know, we looked at like their web technologies and you’ve already done your own analysis, you can say, Hmm, I did that too.
I didn’t find anything was statistically relevant.
And if they give you an answer, like well, it’s a proprietary blend of our own technologies and stuff like that.
No.
But in talking to the people who are providing these lists as vendors, doing your own work first gives you much more depth to the questions you can ask them to qualify them as a vendor to say, Yes, that sounds like something I hadn’t tried.
You might be onto something or, you know, I did that I didn’t see what you’re seeing.
So I’m not sure how reliable your data is.
That way you can avoid spending a whole lot of money before without having any results to show for it.
If you have follow up questions about this leave in the comments box below.
This is a a challenging data science question.
That’s not really a data science question.
So data analysis question, although having the control and having the experiment group does start to lean it towards a scientific question.
It’s an exploratory data analysis problem first Is there even though they’re there before you can form a hypothesis That’s what this information would would help you start to lean towards terms of the data that you would need and things like that.
Again, questions leave in the comments box below.
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Jessica asks, “what should be the interview questions when hiring a good data scientist?”
The answer to this question depends heavily on how fluent you are in the language of data science, in order to sniff out unqualified candidates. Focus a lot on scenarios, and work with a non-competitive data scientist to build out questions and answers, and listen for a specific magic phrase that indicates a data scientist’s actual skill. Watch the video for details.
You Ask, I Answer: Data Scientist Interview Questions?
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In today’s episode, Jessica asks, what should be the interview questions when hiring a good data scientist? Okay.
The answer to this question is going to be very heavily dependent on what your fluency is in the language of data science because ultimately we’re trying to do is you’re trying to find a qualified data scientist who can address your company’s problems, likely scenarios, likely types of solutions they would pursue.
And there’s a lot of people out there who you know, they did the whole six week crash course in data science thing because they see the average published, you know, salaries of data scientists and say I want I want a part of that.
I don’t blame them.
But they are is a huge Huge amount of difference between somebody who has been living in data for years, if not decades of their life.
And somebody who took a six week Crash Course is the difference between somebody who is an actual surgeon, and somebody who took like, you know, a Red Cross first aid course they’re, they’re both people that have a place, right? You want people who have some first aid training? Absolutely.
You don’t want that person doing neurosurgery.
If your company has first aid problems, only then that first aid person might be just the thing.
So what kinds of questions are we going to be asking? Well, here’s the thing about data science.
Actually, this is true about any profession, the sign of expertise, the sign of of experience, and a wisdom is not knowing the answer to things because you can find the right answer to a lot of things.
is knowing what’s going to go wrong.
So what I would suggest you do is you work with a data scientist, maybe someone in a non competing industry, you’re not going to hire them on a fee, you do great.
You’re not going to hire them.
What you’re going to do is work with them, you know, buy them something, get them a gift card, pay them by the hour, whatever.
To help you work out interview questions that are specific to your company in your industry.
Let’s say you’re a coffee shop, right? What are some data science questions that you would ask about a coffee shop scenario? Why’s that you could ask to get a sense of what are the challenges you’re likely to run into? So for example, if you’re that coffee shop, and interview question for a data scientist might be we have all this customer data and we want to build a model to predict to predict the customer propensity to buy I don’t know school.
With their coffee, tell me how you would approach this problem.
What are the things you would do? And then, based on that solution, tell me what’s likely to go wrong.
Right and see what the person answers.
When you’re working with your qualified data scientists to develop these questions, they can give you the answers like, okay, you’re gonna ingest your customer data, is the data good? Is it clean? Is it ready to go? Or is it a hot mess in five different systems behind the scenes? What demographic data do you have? Is there potential for a human bias along the way, like, for example, if you’re, if your barista is racist, you’re gonna have a skew in the data because they refuse to sell scones to short people, or to Asians or whatever.
Right.
Those are questions that your data scientists is going to ask you, that will indicate the things that are likely To go wrong, okay, you’re building your model.
And in this model, how many highly correlated variables are there? How many near zero variables are there? There’s too many of them, you got to clean some of those out.
What is the predictive power of any of these other features? What other features do you have in your data set? Are there external conditions that we need to know about? For example, was the are you closed on Sundays? That would be an important thing to know.
And then in the in the construction of this model, how much how accurate is your sales data? Do you tracking every single purchase or are there things? Do you have a leakage problem or shrinkage problem like you know the, your inventories are off because your barista gives a free scone to each of the friends who comes in.
All of these things are things that go wrong in your data and can go wrong in your analysis.
And when they come up with the answer, they’re gonna, they’re gonna have to give you some clarification like, Okay, so in this case, you’re going to run probably multiple regression model unless you have so many weird karlitz that you need to look at like Ridge or lasso regression.
And even after that, if your predictor importance is below point five, you’re gonna have to find something else, or you have to acknowledge that there is a likely probability that you can’t predict it.
The data just isn’t there.
Right.
One of the things that I have seen and heard in talking to other data scientists, particularly Junior ones, is that there is a great reluctance.
For more for less experienced data scientists to say that they don’t know Say that there’s not enough data, there isn’t an answer to the problem, right? It’s a super uncomfortable answer, because people looking at you while you’re a data scientist, you should you should know everything about this.
No.
The more experienced a data scientist is, the more likely it is like I said, Look, this is not a solvable problem, right? This is not there’s not enough data here, the data is wrong or it’s corrupted.
And until you fix those underlying infrastructure problems, you can’t solve this problem.
It’s just not possible.
It’s like, you want to make mac and cheese but you have no macaroni there.
I’m sorry.
There is no way for you to make mac and cheese without macaroni.
It’s just not possible.
And so those are the kinds of questions you want to ask in interviews.
They are scenario based they are.
There’s a lot of walk me through this explain how you do this.
What’s your approach? And when you start getting into what’s going to go wrong, That will be very telling about who that data scientist is.
If they are supremely overconfident in their answers, that’s actually a red flag, right? You would think, no, no, we want somebody who knows what they’re doing.
Well, yes, you do.
But a big part of data science and science in general is knowing that things are gonna go wrong a whole lot.
And, and being ready for that.
If you get somebody who says I’ve never run into any problems doing multiple regression, I’ve never run into any problem.
I’m so good.
I’m so good that I can build a clustering model with anything.
No.
Doesn’t matter how good you are.
It matters how good the data is.
Right? So those are all the red flags, you’re looking for.
overconfidence, trying to bluff their way through something trying to as one of my martial arts teacher says reach for something that isn’t there all the time.
You want somebody who can help you plan who can help you do the data science and has enough experience that they know what’s going to go wrong in your data and help you solve it to the best of their abilities, or tell you what you’re going to need to do from a systems perspective or data perspective or even a people perspective to get the data you need in order to build good models.
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Jessica asks, “What is most common scientific method to analyze data, so when I (business person) is working with marketing data scientists I can have a intelligent conversation?”
To my knowledge, there is only one scientific method. What matters for marketing data science (and data science in general) is the implementation – particularly at the point where you do your exploratory data analysis. That’s a phase that we skip over far too quickly.
You Ask, I Answer: Scientific Method for Marketing Data Science?
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In today’s episode, Jessica asks, What is the most common scientific method to analyze data so that when I, a business person is working with data scientists, I can have an intelligent conversation.
To my knowledge, there really is only one scientific method, which is you develop a question, you define the problem of the data.
you formulate a hypothesis, you create a test, you run the test, collect the data, analyze the results, you refine your hypothesis or throw it out, and then observe and repeat the process.
Now, all that said, the application of the scientific method is where things differ from traditional science a little bit, not a lot, but a little bit.
Let’s say you’re testing a new vaccine right? For SEO Coronavirus, you would have a question, does this action work? Right? does it create antibodies? You would define the parameters, you would do the formulation, and you would run the test where data science is slightly different is you still have the question you want answered.
But in the problem definition itself, that’s where you’re going to do a lot of what’s called exploratory data analysis.
And that is to understand the problem better to define it better to experiment a little bit, not a lot, but a little bit to analyze the data set itself, if you have it, and to do a lot of refinements to it, cleaning of the data, etc.
so that you can formulate a hypothesis and understand what it is you want to ask and and define the parameters of the test.
Let’s say you want to know Let’s say you want to know the impact of Twitter on your lead generation? That’s a good question, right? What is Twitter’s impact on my lead generation? What data you’re going to need? You’ll need Google Analytics data, probably you’ll need Twitter data.
And you’ll have a hypothesis that you’ll hypothesize that you tweet.
If you tweet more your conversions will go up maybe by a certain amount.
How much is that amount? Do you know? This is where you take that step back into the Define stage of the process and go Okay, let’s look at my Twitter data.
Let’s look at my Google Analytics data.
Is there a mathematical relationship there? Is there even a there there before we set up a test before we create a hypothesis that is testable? Are we even barking up the right tree? So you might run like a regression analysis and see if there is a a mathematical assumption Between the two because without an association, there probably isn’t going to be a causation.
And who would explore your Twitter’s data? Does Twitter give you enough data to build? A good hypothesis? Or conversely, does Twitter give you so much data that you’re not even sure what to test? Right? Is it length of tweet? Is it the day and time of a tweet? Is it a certain emotion or sentiment or tone? That has been working for you images in the post video in the post? What What kinds of stuff do you have access to? And then what kinds of things actually matter? And this is where you would run things like feature selection or feature importance or predictive predictive strength on your Twitter data combined with Google Analytics data.
So there is a fair amount in that defined stage that to our discredit, we tend to gloss over that I would just define success There’s a lot that actually goes into that.
And that it really is exploratory data analysis, which is almost a discipline unto itself, of being able to explore data and understand this is what’s in this thing.
This is what’s in the box, or, and this is where your subject matter expertise really is important.
And your analytical expertise is really important.
What happens when you see an association? Like, yes, it looks like Twitter data has a correlation to Google Analytics conversions.
But then when you run regression tests and things to try and isolate what are the most important features, you come up with nothing, like I just tested a whole bunch of things.
What, what happened here, there’s a there’s an association.
So there should be correlative variables that contribute to it.
But none of these show any kind of statistically valid, predictive strength, what happened and so that that In the experienced marketing data scientists would say okay, what am I missing? I’ve got data, but I’ve got no statistical relevance.
What’s not in the box? What? What else do I need to go and get? And that’s where you’ll find your biggest challenges because it’s tempting to run the test and say, Okay, here’s the top thing, but at the top thing is, you know, a point 08.
And you’re looking for point two, five or better for some of these multiple regression tests, you’d be like, Hmm, what do I do? The very junior or naive data scientist says, I’ll just take the top three, that’s good enough, right? That’s the the algorithms but that’s good enough, but it’s not the case.
That is very rarely ever the case.
Like I’m trying to think of a situation where that is the case and I’m not coming up with anything.
And so for what we want to do, as as As people who want to become experienced marketing data scientists, we have to say, Okay, well, there’s clearly something else that’s missing, there’s a variable that is we don’t have that would glue these two datasets together, or combination of variables.
On the flip side of that, you get things called like a completed variables where there’s something that is mixing the two up and creating stronger signal strength than there actually should be.
That typically happens with highly correlated variables mixed together.
So if you simple example, if it turns out that the length of a tweet is important, and you have the number of characters in the tweet and the number of words in a tweet, and that goes into your, your algorithm to determine strength, that’s going to screw things up because those two are perfectly correlated.
And it’s going to create an an unnecessary signal for the algorithms.
The regression algorithms used to say like, Oh yes, this is invalid.
And contributor to the outcome.
Again, as as a more experienced data scientist, you would look at that and go, Okay, well, we’ve got to get rid of one of the karlitz here, because they both can’t be in there, but they’re gonna throw a wrench into the computation.
So, in Twitter’s case, again, you’d use your social media expertise, Twitter accounts at the character level, if you have 280 characters to work with.
Okay, so if that’s the case, let’s get rid of number of words in the tweet, and just stick with the characters in the tweet.
And that will be a better measure of whether the length of a tweet is relevant to the outcomes that we care about.
So to sum up, there is only one scientific method that I know of.
But it is the implementation that matters the most and how you do it within data science.
Because there’s a lot that goes into defining the problem you will spend a lot of time you should spend a lot of defining the problem.
If you don’t, if you immediately jump into a hypothesis, you immediately jump into running a test.
Chances are, something has gone missing, something has been omitted, that will come back to bite you in the end.
I can virtually guarantee you that something will come back to haunt you and you will not you will not enjoy the process of having to redo the experiment from scratch.
Really good question.
We could spend a whole lot of time on this, but that’s a good starting point.
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Jessica asks, “Which should we focus on learning most in marketing data science, concepts or tools?”
Without a doubt, concepts. You learn frying, not a specific model of frying pan. You learn painting, not a particular paint brush. You learn to play any piano, not just one kind of piano.
You Ask, I Answer: Tools or Concepts in Marketing Data Science?
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In today’s episode, Jessica s, which should we focus on learning most in marketing data science concepts or tools.
Without a doubt, concepts, think about when you learn to cook, you learn frying, right? baking, boiling, you don’t learn a specific model of oven, you don’t learn a particular brand of frying pan you learn how to do the thing.
And ideally, that knowledge is one that you can transfer broadly within that category.
So if I have a eight inch frying pan, a six inch frying pan or a wok, I should be able to apply the same principles of frying.
You learn painting right now the specific brush, although you may have techniques that are well suited for a certain type of brush, but you’ll learn painting, you learn.
You learn to play piano, right, and in theory, you should be able to play Any piano whether it’s a little you know, 32 key miniature USB device or like an 88 key grand piano and in a Carnegie Hall, you learn to play the piano, not just one kind of piano.
Marketing data science is exactly the same.
You learn how to apply different concepts, different ideas, different techniques to data and not necessarily a specific tool.
Now, do you need to use some tools? Yes, absolutely.
You cannot fry without a frying pan.
Man.
If you don’t know how to handle a frying pan safely, you’re gonna have a bad time.
The same is true in data science, you need to be able to use tools like Python or R or IBM Watson Studio, but you use it in the service of the concept.
So learning things like regression, multiple regression classification, clustering Association.
dimension reduction, principal component analysis, any of these techniques are things that you absolutely need to learn and what tool you use to apply those techniques is largely up to you.
You have any number of these tools, I would say start with the open source ones because a they’re free and be when you’re writing the code, you have the most control over the techniques and over the tools, you can specify the parameters that you want to use.
Now sometimes that’s good, sometimes that’s bad, but in the beginning, for sure, it doesn’t hurt to have a good look at the guts and the inner workings of something.
It’s kind of like it’s kinda like the difference between you know, frying something in a regular frying pan or I want those like really crazy fancy appliances that like auto fry and boil and all this stuff you don’t really see See what’s going on.
Right? You don’t understand caramelization of the mired reaction in one of those fancy machines.
Yeah, absolutely see that in a good old fashioned frying pan and you understand what’s happening to your food.
And so you can make adjustments or change the way you do things, maybe change some ingredients.
Same is true in data science.
If you stick all your data into a really fancy auto ml system.
You might see some of what happens on the inside but not really, right as opposed to writing a regression algorithm yourself or using x g boost or using lasso or ridge regression.
When you do those things, you see the outcome pretty clearly.
Does it take longer to learn that way? Yes.
Does it take longer to get to usable production results that way? Yes, absolutely.
But in Doing so you learn how the techniques work, and more importantly, when they don’t work.
When you’re doing marketing data science, that’s really important.
The ability to say, I know when ridge regression or lasso regression, or logistic regression, or linear regression are the right choices to make based on the data that I’m working with.
And the outcome I’m trying to achieve.
If you leave it all up to a machine, it may or may not make the best choice for your data.
I have run into that personally, gosh, so many times where an auto ml algorithm will try to to do a bunch of stuff on the data set, and it doesn’t understand some of what’s going on.
Here’s a very straightforward example.
A lot of these automated data science tools operate on the data pretty naively, they won’t look for example, for near zero variables which are variables where Most of the time, the zero they don’t look for or knockout correlates.
So let’s say, here’s an easy one.
Let’s say you’re doing an analysis of tweets, right? And you have all these tweets, and you’ve done character counts only 140 characters, hundred 70 characters, hundred 80 characters.
And then you do an analysis of how many words you know, 1015 2030 words in a tweet.
The two numbers, character count and word count are going to be perfectly correlated, right? Because they’re, essentially are derivatives of each other in some ways.
If you put that into a machine learning algorithm that is trying to predict or understand what feature what column in your data set has the highest relationship to an outcome you care about, like no retweets.
Those two columns can screw up the analysis Because they are so highly correlated, what you would have to do as a subject matter expert is look at that.
Okay, which one do I care about more, you know, Twitter makes character count, a lot more important than word count.
So that’s it, let’s knock out word count, we don’t necessarily need that we do want to have that character count in there.
This is something that again, a lot of automated data science tools will not know to do.
They will not know to do that, or they won’t be able to do that because they can’t tell which is more important.
You have to understand the concept of correlates.
And you as a subject matter experts in your data, have to say, you know what, let’s get rid of word count.
They’re highly correlated.
They’re probably not going to yield tremendous insight together.
So knock out one of them.
And let’s and use that for for the same regression analysis.
You can’t do that without understanding the concepts.
If you only focus on the tools, you will Follow the instructions on the tools push the buttons, and you may not get the best analysis.
Now, is that a shortcoming of the tool? Yes, yes, it is.
Is that something that the vendor of that tool could fix? Maybe, but probably not.
Because again, that decision about which column to knock out is a subject matter expertise decision, and that’s something that machines simply do not have.
So, learn the concepts, focus on the concepts, build expertise in the concepts.
In doing so, in applying that, you will get to a point where you will learn the tools, right, as a natural outgrowth of trying to learn the concept of trying to make the concept work.
That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t pick up the manual and learn the tool do but focus on the concepts.
That’s where you’re going to get the most value out of marketing, data science, the most value of the education and professional development you’re trying to do.
It will give you The best understanding of how things go wrong and ways to fix it when something goes wrong when you get an analysis that makes no sense.
Only knowing the concepts will get you past that hurdle.
Otherwise, you’ll spit out up a spurious analysis and maybe makes bad decisions from it.
It’s a really good question that’s spent a lot of time on this.
to focus on those concepts.
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