Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Spotting Trends and Hits?

    You Ask, I Answer: Spotting Trends and Hits?

    Michael asks, “How do you spot trends and hits? What should you look for?”

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    In this episode, Michael asked how do you spot trends and hits? What should you look for? I mean, if I was super, super good at this, we wouldn’t be having this conversation because I thought it’d be retired.

    It depends on the context within statistics, a trend is detectable once you start having some form of sustained growth, right.

    So if you’re looking at a numeric series of some kind, you see a change in, in that that is sustained, you know, three, four, or five, six different data points where it’s going up what’s going down or something like that.

    But there’s, there’s something that is a sustained amount of momentum.

    That’s the mathematical answer of how you spot a trend.

    But more broadly, when people are asking like, how do I know what the next big thing is going to be? What should we be focusing on what’s going to be the next big hit, we don’t know.

    We have no way of knowing what the next big hit is going to be.

    Because it’s it’s so from a mathematical perspective, it is such a complex equation with so many inputs, that there is no way to accurately predict that outcome.

    Right, it’s like trying to pick a stock in the stock market.

    If the stock market was the only place where you could do business buying and selling stocks, you could probably come up with some predictive algorithms, that would work.

    But because you have all these other financial mechanisms, hedge funds, high frequency trading, Shadow markets, private trades, all the stuff that isn’t fitted into the outcome data, you can’t build a model, many, many companies have tried building a working model to predict the stock market and zero have succeeded.

    And I can tell you this with confidence, because if one of them had succeeded, they would have all the money.

    It would be no other viruses talk about there’d be one company that have all the money.

    And that would be that more broadly.

    From a cultural perspective, from a people perspective, again, we don’t know, we have no way of knowing what’s going to take off, what you can do is pay very careful attention and look at data very, very frequently.

    So there are some great listening tools, conversational intelligence tools out there Talkwalker, for example, good friend of mine, the folks over there that provide really good data tools to provide information that you can then put through predictive algorithms, Markov chain models, neural networks to take the, the fancy, forecasting software of your choice.

    And you can start to look for those patterns of growth.

    But even then, it’s not necessarily going to be all that clear.

    Here’s a simple example, if you were to go to Google Trends, go to trends.google.com.

    And type in Tiktok.

    Switch the timeline to all time, you would see that it took a really, really long time, years for the service to catch on.

    Right? When you look at that graph, you’re looking at it go wow, it would have been really, really hard to detect that this is the thing.

    So what do you do? How do you add into this? The answer is in the target market that you care about, wherever that market is, you’ve got to be listening.

    You’ve got to be in the mix, listening to what people are talking about and listening for conversations, and trying to understand what it is that people what catches people’s attention.

    For example, as of the date of this recording, which is July 24 of 2022 a new video game stray has hit the market and in a number of discord groups that I’m a member of conversations are happening a lot about this game, gamers are talking about it.

    It made a big splash and more importantly, people seem to like it, people seem to enjoy it.

    And as a result, it appears to it’s going to be a hit.

    Now it’s early.

    Now it only released a few days ago.

    But when you’re in multiple communities and you see the same thing being talked about, that’s a pretty good early indicator that you should pay attention to it should dig in a little bit see if see if there’s a there there.

    We say the same thing about for example, when a new social network pops up if you see enough people in your target audience talking about things that’s why it’s time to go alright you know when You’d go, at least sign up for an account, get our name reserved, maybe see who else is there and see what the general conversations are.

    That’s one of the easiest ways to

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    not predict a hit or trend.

    But to catch it early enough that to the outside world looks like you predicted it.

    For example, in January of 2020, I started reading a lot, a lot on Twitter within a very specific community about this new disease.

    It’s called an cov 2019 novel Coronavirus.

    And some of the folks who were in these, these disease communities were saying this is this is going to be a thing.

    The numbers at that point like they were less than 500 cases.

    Around the world at that point, there was like a couple 1000 5000 or so in China that was about it.

    It was quiet.

    It was a relatively quiet thing.

    But it did look like a quiet thing, right exhibited signs of exponential growth.

    Two months later lockdowns came, right, April, March, end of March, April 2020, it became a thing and then you had the main wave, the alpha wave, the delta wave Omicron Omicron, ba two Omicron, ba five, and so on and so forth.

    And here we are two years later.

    And in those early days, I went to an event.

    And I said, I was the only person wearing one of my my P 100.

    masks and people like what is wrong with you? Dude, you’re what’s up with that.

    And I sent an email to events are speaking at, you know, later in the year saying, Hey, I think this might be a thing.

    So offering to record my session this video in case in case it it becomes a thing because it was exhibiting mathematical signs and exponential growth signs of becoming a thing.

    We all know what happened, right? And I got emails later that year, and the next year, I feel going.

    Yeah, you’re right.

    How do you know you? I didn’t know.

    I wasn’t predicting it, I was just paying attention to what’s happening.

    In the moment, we’re seeing the same thing happening now.

    Again, it’s July 24, of 2022.

    With stuff like monkeypox, it’s picking up steam, right? The mathematical trends are in his favor.

    And so gotta pay attention when the math shows that early signs of an exponential trend, which you can find mathematically, it’s time to pay attention to it.

    The challenge is, you’ve got to know where to listen.

    And that’s the part that marketers have, I think the most trouble with marketers spend so much time listening to themselves and to the people within their companies, and not nearly enough time listening to their customers, not nearly enough time listening to the audience spending time.

    Online, even in your audience.

    When you spend time in your audience, you hear stuff, when you hear stuff, you can start quantifying it, and identifying what’s gonna be a thing before it’s a thing.

    Because it is still technically a thing.

    Exponential growth just doesn’t look like it until it really looks like it.

    But that’s the way exponents work, right? Doubling a number that doubles every time you know, it goes from one to two, whoo, big deal, right? Two to four, no big deal, then you get to 64 128 256-512-1024.

    And you’re like, oh, this thing’s growing pretty fast.

    Now.

    That’s the challenge our brains as people we don’t we don’t do exponential calculations very well, if at all.

    We can’t see it.

    So we’ve got to rely on our tools to do it for us.

    So that is what I would suggest is good listening to identify topics and things to pay attention to.

    And then good analysis tools to look at the data and say, are any of these things exhibiting exponential growth? If so, should we be doing something about it? Really good question.

    It’s a question that requires you to actually have a the time to listen carefully in all the right communities and be the technology to to analyze it to look for those trends.

    So good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Model and Algorithm Selection?

    You Ask, I Answer: Model and Algorithm Selection?

    Katherine asks, “How do you know which is the right algorithm or model to choose for any given data set?”

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    In today’s episode, Catherine asks, How do you know which is the right algorithm or model to choose for any given data set? That’s a tough question.

    That’s a tough question, because there’s so many things that can go into those choices.

    The first, obviously, is the data itself, what kind of data you you’ve got, right? If it’s a mix of categorical and continuous numbers and not numbers, that can shed some light as to as to what algorithms are just off the table or not.

    The big thing, though, is, what is the intended outcome, right? Because there’s two fundamental tasks in data science and machine learning.

    There’s regression and classification.

    Classification is hey, we got a bunch of data, we don’t know how to organize it, let’s classify it so that it’s easier to understand the clumps of of data, maybe there’s a way to describe what those clumps are.

    Regression is given a known outcome, what things most closely represent that outcome are most likely that outcome.

    And within each of those two families, you then have a whole series of techniques, like, you know, nearest neighbors, for example, or SVM, for classification, or gradient boosting or lasso and ridge regression for regression analysis.

    The question always is what are the what are the measures of performance that you’re trying to use? So, in classification, the most common metric is called the area under the receiver operating characteristics or AUROC.

    And essentially, it’s a measurement to say how good a dataset classification algorithm or model is, how well it performs, right? Whether it what percentage of true positives versus false positives, it gives off.

    It’d be like, you know, you get a bunch of fruit, and you classify, these are apples, these are pears, these are grapes, etc.

    And your measure of success is how many things wrong you get right? Like, maybe get some really, really, really large grapes, and you misclassify a bunch of them as plums.

    That would be you know, that would have a lower AUROC score than if you were correctly set up.

    These are their large grapes, but they’re still grapes.

    That would get you a higher AUROC score.

    In regression, the most common measures there are the root mean squared error and the R squared number, which are descriptors of how closely a result fits a line, right? So if you have this, this line, or this curve of the regression, how closely does it fit against the existing data? Knowing that lets you know how accurate your analysis was.

    Now, you have a bunch of different tools out there right now, that can sort of test to see how different algorithms perform on data.

    One of the ones I use a lot is called IBM Watson Studio auto AI, you give it a dataset, you give it the outcome you’re after, and it tests all the different algorithms and models and says, Hey, here’s the ones that have the best performance based on the characteristics you’ve specified, like the highest R squared number, the lowest root mean squared error.

    Those tools are huge, huge time savers, because otherwise, you have to test everything by hand, which I’ve done, it’s not fun.

    There’s more and more automated machine learning that does that sort of thing where you give it the outcome and the data, and it will just test out a bunch of things and then let you know, hey, here’s what I found.

    And then it’s up to you, as the data scientist to say, Okay, I think this one is the best blend of performance and accuracy, or this is the best blend of accuracy and fits the kind of outputs we need.

    For example, there are some regression algorithms that cannot output, what’s called variable importance of all the variables that went into the regression, which ones are the most important, which ones have the highest relationship to the outcome we care about in marketing? That kind of algorithm would tell us what channels are working, right.

    So if we’re talking about marketing channels, that type of analysis would be we want to know the and if there’s an algorithm that doesn’t provide variable importance, its usefulness to us is going to be pretty low.

    Right? If that’s if that’s a key requirement.

    So I guess the long answer to the question is, knowing what your requirements are or knowing what your model KPIs are.

    And then using the automation software of your choice to test a bunch of things or do it manually.

    I mean, that’s, that’s always a viable option

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    to see which algorithm or model performs best given the data set.

    And given the requirements that you need to fit it to.

    It’s not easy, right? It’s not fast.

    It’s there’s no easy button.

    Because even if your software chooses an algorithm that fits well, if anything changes in that data set, you’ve got to rerun the process all over again, possibly multiple times.

    So it’s, it’s not a one and done.

    It’s a living, breathing thing.

    But good question.

    It’s an interesting question, and in a very challenging one.

    It’s one of the areas where automated machine learning really can offer substantial measurable benefits to folks who are engaging in machine learning practices.

    So thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: First Steps With New Data?

    You Ask, I Answer: First Steps With New Data?

    Katherine asks, “What’s the first thing or set of processes you do when you receive new data from a customer?”

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    In today’s episode, Catherine asks, what’s the first thing or set of processes you do when you receive new data from a customer? Probably exploratory data analysis.

    Alright, exploratory data analysis is the data science and machine learning equivalent of looking in the fridge before you cook.

    Right? So you look at, you open up the fridge, you look at what’s in there, and you say, Okay, I’ve got chicken, I don’t have steak, I’ve got onions, but they don’t have peppers, I’ve got carrots, but I don’t have celery, and so on and so forth.

    And based on what you’ve got in the fridge, that dictates what kinds of things you are or not going to cook.

    If you’ve got your heart set on steak, but there’s no beef in the fridge.

    You’re not having steak, right? So when a customer hands over new data, first thing is you look at it, you investigate it, you say, Okay, what’s in the box? Like? What did the customer give me? What condition? Is it in? Is it in good condition is in bad condition? Are there lots of missing variables? or missing data points? Are things labeled correctly? Does the data answer the question that the customer is trying to ask, that’s a critical part of this, if a customer says I want to know social media ROI, and they provide no cost data, you can’t do social media ROI, there’s just no way to do that you’ve got a substantial missing ingredients like baking a loaf of bread, and you’ve got no flour.

    Now, you’re probably not breaking baking bread there.

    So that’s the first part is exploratory data analysis.

    And that’s, you know, eight different parts.

    So you have your goal and your purpose.

    You have your data requirements and data collection, you have your initial analysis, like looking at it, your descriptive analytics, see what kinds of dimensions and metrics are there? You look, do your data quality stuff, like what kinds of quality data is in there? There is recurrent requirements, verification, you’ll look at the data and go okay, Does this answer the question that’s being asked of it.

    And if it doesn’t, you got to start over.

    After that, you’ll do prep, which is cleaning, centering, scaling, etc, you’ll probably do some feature engineering, where you’re going to create new features out of existing ones, like day of week or hour of day, from a date, and then your modeling or your insights, depending on whether you’re going to be pushing a model into production, or just doing an analysis, those are the steps that are vital.

    Anytime you get new data, it’s like anytime you get maybe a delivery of groceries, right? And you have a company that doesn’t shopping for you, and they drop off the box on your doorstep.

    And the first thing you do is you open the box and go okay, did they get my order, right? I ordered apples and there’s pineapples.

    Okay, that’s, that’s not helpful.

    That’s where you start.

    Because that will also help avoid failure later on.

    If a customer hands you data, and that data, there’s something wrong with it.

    The sooner you catch that, the less time and money you waste, right, the less beating your head against the wall, or worst case scenario, you think the data is fine, you’re running an analysis on it, you hand off the results to a customer and it’s wrong.

    And it might be wrong in a subtle way in a way that you don’t catch.

    But then, you know, a month a quarter a year later, the customers like, hey, our business is going down.

    Why? Well, because you made an analysis of bad data.

    Right? It’s like you you’re you eat something that tastes fine the next day, you’re sick.

    Well, yeah, yeah, ate some food that was contaminated.

    And you know, maybe you the next day, you find out that that was not the case.

    Or if it was like a really bad mushroom, you might die 10 days later, because liquefied your internal organs, which can happen.

    So that’s the first most important part, you got to open up that fridge and look inside and see what do we have? And can it make the things that we want to make? If you skip that part, if you skip the exploratory data analysis, you will be in a world of hurt, because at some point, you will be handed data that isn’t clean, that isn’t complete.

    That isn’t correct.

    And you will use it and you will lament your choices.

    I guarantee it.

    So that’s the first and most important step to do before you do anything else.

    Good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Time Intensive Data Science Tasks?

    You Ask, I Answer: Time Intensive Data Science Tasks?

    Katherine asks, “What’s the most time intensive part of data science?”

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    In today’s episode, Catherine asks, What’s the most time intensive part of data science? Well, the most time intensive part by far is a Data Prep and feature engineering.

    These are the stages where you are taking data, cleaning it while examining it, cleaning it, preparing it for analysis, preparing it for modeling, doing feature engineering and adding on new features and things.

    That’s probably 80% of data science, for real.

    The actual in depth analysis, the actual machine learning if you’re going to be doing it for machine learning, that’s like 10 to 15% of your time.

    The reason why Data Prep is so time intensive is that despite the raft of companies and software and tools that they claim, they can automate it all away.

    You can’t, you can’t automate it all the way.

    Because in so many cases, what you’re dealing with is stuff that is different every time.

    Right? When you’re looking at a data set of nutrition data, it’s got certain characteristics, when you’re looking at motor data, when you’re looking at environmental data, when you’re looking at email marketing, statistics, all of these things are datasets that are unique and different.

    And though there are common processes and techniques for doing data prep and feature engineering, there is no one size fits all.

    And there’s certainly no way to easily today easily just handy to set to a computer and say, Hey, do all my cleanup and prep and feature engineering for me.

    Because you don’t these machines don’t necessarily know what’s needed.

    They don’t necessarily know what procedures would make sense to do and what procedures, there isn’t a lot of sense in them.

    For example, suppose you have a date field in a, an email marketing dataset, the software would know to to make sure that it’s a date field, and that’s formatted correctly and things like that.

    But it wouldn’t necessarily know that you might want to extract out day of week or hour of day, it also wouldn’t know you don’t typically want you know, day of month or day of year, those are not necessarily going to be things that from an email marketing perspective are going to lend a whole lot of insight, maybe they will, maybe they won’t, depending on your email marketing strategy.

    But we as the data scientists would know based on our subject matter expertise, based on our skills, and then based on our domain knowledge of the email marketing that sometimes those extra added engineered features are good idea, and sometimes they don’t add any extra value.

    That’s one of the reasons why data science is so complicated.

    And why it is so hard to find talent in the data science field because you need somebody who is both a subject matter expert in data science, but also a subject matter expert in whatever it is that the you know, the datasets that you’re studying for what that industry is someone looking at, for example, COVID data is going to have a very different understanding of what features are important, you know, based on virology and immunology, than somebody who’s doing data analysis on car engines, right? They’ll have similar techniques, but they’re gonna deploy them in very, very different ways.

    Someone who’s an expert in engines is going to be looking at factors like mean time between failure, whereas somebody looking at COVID data is probably going to be looking at things like genetic drift, like antigenic drift and phylogenetic maps.

    Those are very different tasks.

    And you need to have the subject matter expertise in that domain, to be able to know what features to include to know what features are missing, especially.

    And then whether or not you can engineer the data set to repair some of the missing data.

    I don’t foresee a day when you can just simply hand a dataset over to a machine and have it do all that cleaning and prep and augmentation and extraction and make it all work seamlessly because it’s different every time.

    It’s like.

    It’s like being a chef, right? Being a chef in a maybe in a food court.

    And there’s just one big restaurant that serves every cuisine.

    You don’t know what the next person is going to ask.

    Maybe they want chicken chow mein maybe they want Pasta carbonara.

    Maybe they want to pretzel.

    Right? There’s no way to tell.

    And so you’ll have slots of skills and common techniques, but at the same time, every order is going to be different.

    So Oh,

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    that’s the most intensive part of data scientists science, the time intensive part.

    It is prepping engineering.

    And that’s not going to get better anytime soon.

    The machines can help.

    But even then they still need guidance to pull it off.

    So, I would expect if you are in the field of data science or you are working towards becoming one, that’s where you’re going to spend a lot of your time and frankly, that’s where things go the most wrong because if you don’t have the right data for any models or insights, it’s like not having the right ingredients to cook with.

    Right if you’re trying to bake bread and you got a bag of sand.

    Doesn’t matter how good a cook you are.

    You’re not making an animal over bread.

    Anyway, really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Marketing And Sales Reporting?

    You Ask, I Answer: Marketing And Sales Reporting?

    Jamie asks, “How can marketing help report on Sales and use analytics to improve sales?”

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    In today’s episode, Jamie asks, How can marketing help report on sales and use analytics to improve sales? Here’s the thing.

    Marketing and sales are two different functions.

    They operate at different points in the customer journey, they have different outcomes.

    And except in really small companies, they’re generally very, very different.

    Which also means that having marketing reporting on sales is kind of like having the sous chef reporting on front of house on on how you know, service is out front.

    It’s kind of weird.

    Marketing should be reporting on marketing and sales should be reporting on sales.

    Now, if you’re at a company that again, is really small, or for some reason, you’ve lumped sales and marketing together, that’s really awkward, because on the org chart, it says s&m you you have to look at the overall outcomes, and do a lot of attribution analysis.

    So sort of full funnel attribution, if you will.

    Because what you’d be looking for in a situation like that is at each stage in your marketing operations funnel.

    Where are the weak points? When I worked at this one, tech company, in the past, marketing, was responsible for marketing qualified leads, sales was responsible for sales.

    And when we put the entire customer journey together, and the operations funnel, what we found was that marketing had like 20 ish percent success rate and taking a prospect and moving them to a marketing qualified lead somebody who went from like a newsletter subscriber to request a demo, or, or schedule a phone call.

    And then sales would take over those leads, and close about 1% of them.

    Now part of this was product marketing issues, product development issues, the product we were company was selling was half the quality and twice the price of its nearest competitor, which didn’t really bode well.

    But even even still, sales could only close about 1% of the leads that were given, which meant that marketing had to continually shovel greater and greater volumes of leads, less and less qualified leads.

    Until frankly, we ran out of runway, we ran out of qualified customers, because there’s only so many people who are going to buy that particular product.

    And we said to the sales team, look, if you guys could go from like 1% to 2% of closing here leads, you would double your revenue.

    Right.

    And there was a lot of back and forth, there was a lot of discussion, vigorous discussion.

    And what eventually happened was that the head of sales got canned because they were a terrible sales leader, and about half the sales team.

    And we stopped restaffed and the company did much better after that.

    So how marketing can help report on sales is building out that full funnel view what’s happening at each stage of a customer’s interactions with us.

    Even though customer journeys are not linear, even though customers can move back and forth between different stages in a journey, there are still activities that occur at each stage in aggregate, right customers generally have to have some kind of conversation with you, at least for any product that requires having a sales team to sell it.

    And you can look at the performance of each stage, look at the performance of each of the subsequent stages and figure out the conversion rate between the two.

    And again, what you’re looking for in terms of maximum impact is the weakest stage, what stage do you have your lowest conversion rate? And then can you fix that because if you can fix that bottleneck, then you really open up the flow from top to bottom for getting more results, we’re getting better results and then of course, some other part will become the problem after you fix the the most problematic stage in your in your operations fumble.

    But that’s normal.

    That’s that’s okay.

    What I see a lot is that there usually is one stage in that full funnel that is the most problematic and not by a small margin by a fairly large margin.

    Again, you know, the example of the companies to work for, you know, 20% 15% 20% 1% you compare the numbers, the different levels of financing.

    Okay, well that 1% We really stands out is not good.

    Let’s figure out what’s gone wrong there first.

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    Other things that marketing can do with analytics and data to improve sales is a lot of qualitative stuff.

    And this is where market research comes in super handy.

    And it’s something that companies don’t invest enough in market research, qualitative research, answers the question of why.

    Right, one of the challenges with analytics is analytics, particularly quantitative, focuses heavily on the numbers, what happened ads, they’re important not gonna say they’re not important.

    But those numbers don’t tell you why something happened, you can look at your data and say, you know, marketing qualified leads were down 14%, last quarter, why you can’t tell them the data, it’s not going to tell it’s never going to tell you because you have to talk to people, you have to survey them, you have to do focus groups, one on ones, shadowing customers, depending on your industry, to figure out why people are not converting to the level you want.

    And that requires investment requires time requires effort.

    But if you do it, it can dramatically improve your sales because it improves the overall sales process.

    If somebody says, Yeah, you know, your product just doesn’t have the features I need.

    That can help your sales a lot.

    Because you’re your sales team.

    At that point, you can say, well, we don’t have this feature that customers really want.

    So we have to, we have to find some other angle to sell, right? If you can’t beat features, and benefits, then you’re going to have to compete on something like price, because you don’t have what the customer wants.

    You also should at that point, be talking to engineering and saying, Hey, can you know the customer wants a green handle on this? And can you please make a version has a green handle, or whatever it is that you sell? So that’s an area where marketing can use analytics to identify where are the spots in the customer process where we need to be asking customers lots of questions, we need to be talking to customers, we need to be interviewing them, we need to be watching how they behaved with our product or as they evaluated so that we can improve our marketing, we can understand why someone might just ghost us, right? They try out our products, it doesn’t do what they want.

    They just they just ghost us because we didn’t meet their needs.

    So those would be my suggestions.

    And those are things that even in larger companies, where you have marketing and sales be separate having that market research capacity, that market research capability is really valuable.

    Because an awful lot of the time when you’re using analytics, you’re looking for an answer why and you don’t have the data to support any conclusions with evidence about why something is or is not the way it is.

    So really good question.

    It’s challenging answer.

    It’s an expensive answer.

    Set expectations accordingly.

    Market research is market research.

    My friend Tom Webster says his best should be reassuringly expensive, like sushi and surgery.

    You don’t want to discount surgery, and you don’t want to discount market research.

    You don’t want DIY surgery, and you certainly don’t want DIY sushi if you don’t know what you’re doing with raw fish, right? You probably don’t want DIY market research unless you have some skills in that area.

    If you don’t then like sushi and surgery, leave it to somebody who that they do have those skills and the necessary equipment and the experience to make it work.

    So that’s that’s the answer to that question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Objections to Marketing Data Science?

    You Ask, I Answer: Objections to Marketing Data Science?

    Amanda asks, “So what sort of objections do you come across when you go and work with company, or your talk into a company?”

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    In today’s episode, Amanda asks, So what sort of objections do you come across? When you go and work with a company? Or you or you talk into a company? Okay? It depends.

    Just the answer to pretty much everything these days for the work of data science, a lot of the time, and this is something that we all struggle with a lot of the time.

    When we get objections, it is around results.

    Right? It is around, what am I going to get from my money? Price is relatively a relatively minor issue, because price is an indicator that in the selling process, we have not communicated enough value.

    If we communicate enough value, if we understand the person’s pain that they’re in, and we can help them solve their pain, there’s a good chance that price as an objection gets diminished.

    Not it doesn’t entirely go away, right? If somebody has 5,000 in the budget, you can make a great case for a25,000 project, but they physically still only have 5,000 in the process.

    So there is a hard limit to pricing.

    But if you can communicate, the value that you get price tends to diminish because very often does cover it’s it’s a smokescreen for a person saying I don’t understand what I’m buying.

    Right? If I have a box, and I’ve say the inside this box is100 worth of value, I’m selling you this box of 50.

    That’s not super appealing, if you have it.

    But what’s in the box? I mean, I might give you50 For that box, but not if you don’t tell me what’s in it.

    Like what am I getting for my money? What am I getting? What, what’s what’s the value? If I open up the box and show you a sick hamsters, you’re like, I don’t want hamsters.

    Right? Well, you may you might, but in the context of analytics, that’s not helpful.

    Right? So then the pricing objection is is valid, like yeah, that’s, that’s not worth my money.

    I don’t need a box of hamsters, I need x instead.

    So objections a lot of the time are because we didn’t communicate enough value.

    And we didn’t communicate enough value as often, because we didn’t focus on the results.

    Instead, we focused on the process.

    Now, for risk averse buyers, they do want to see the process, they want to understand what happens to some degree.

    But for a lot of non risk averse buyers, they care less about the process and much more about the results.

    Am I getting the thing, right? If I give you $40,000, and you give me a vehicle, does this vehicle do what I want them to do? Right? Do they care how it was assembled? Really.

    They might make some token statements about sustainability or labor conditions or whatever.

    But for the most part, most people when they’re buying something like a vehicle, it always comes down to am I getting good value for my money? And does this thing do what I want it to do? And so when we’re talking about selling analytics, are talking about objections? Most of the time, it’s around that it’s around Well, what exactly am I getting for my money? If we go with you, what exactly you’re going to do.

    And we have to tie it to the three things everybody wants, right? People want more time.

    They want less effort.

    They want bigger results, better numbers.

    And if we can tie ourselves to at least one of those, ideally, through all three objections tend to go away pretty fast.

    Right? We’ve, for example, in the work I do with my company, Trust Insights, a lot of we do a lot of stuff with Google Analytics 4.

    And we sell audits and configurations and stuff help people just do the thing.

    And what we’re selling there is not the process of upgrading somebody to Google Analytics 4.

    We are we are selling the you don’t have to think about it.

    We are selling the it’ll get done right.

    In a reasonable amount of time.

    We are selling

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    we will not stretch your internal resources at all, because we can do this with a minimum of hassle.

    And so we’re really selling time we’re selling peace of mind.

    We’re selling fee feeling of security.

    And when you figure out what it is that somebody actually wants to buy, then the objections, the objections are pretty mute, right? Again, there are still some hard limits that you run into, particularly around pricing.

    But beyond that, it’s just proving value.

    So that’s that’s where I see the objections most.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: How to Sell Analytics?

    You Ask, I Answer: How to Sell Analytics?

    Amanda asks, “How do you sell analytics when people don’t even want to look at their analytics?”

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    In this episode, Amanda asks, How do you sell analytics when people don’t even want to look at their analytics? Okay.

    It’s a good question, particularly since it you know, as a data science company, my company Trust Insights does sell the outcomes of analytics, we don’t sell analytics itself because you can’t, you can’t sell analytics, right.

    And here’s why.

    analytics, the process of analysis isn’t something that anyone wants to buy, no one wants to buy analysis, what they want to buy, or outcomes, they want to buy finished products.

    If we substitute the word analysis or analytics for cooking, right, when you take raw data, and you process it, and find out what happened that data what are you selling somebody? Are you selling them the process of processing the data? No.

    When you go to a restaurant, are you paying for cooking? No, you are paying for a plate in front of you have prepared food, because you didn’t want to cook at home.

    Right? When you sell analytics, you’re actually selling not just the processing of data, but the finished product.

    Right? The way that it’s a PowerPoint, an interactive dashboard, standing in front of the board for 20 minutes explaining things, whatever the the outcome is, that’s what you’re selling.

    And sometimes you’re not even selling that sometimes it’s a further step further down the value chain, you might be selling a decision, right, or a process for arriving at decisions.

    When we do email marketing analytics.

    It’s not just about what was your open rate, right? Or this number of subscribers subscribe to your newsletter or whatever.

    It’s here’s two or three decisions for you to make.

    Should you implement SPF? Should you include a picture of your dog in your email newsletter? Should you do this or that or the other thing? And what’s being sold the decisions that people can make that would be most impactful on the outcomes that they’re after? So you don’t sell analytics? Nobody sells analytics.

    It’s one of the reasons why, for example, a lot of analytic software, you have a hard time selling, right? Microsoft Excel is kind of bundled into Microsoft Office, it’s, you can buy an ala carte, but don’t really nobody does.

    Google Analytics isn’t sold, right? It’s it’s given away.

    Now, there’s many reasons for that.

    But to encourage adoption of it, they had to give it away.

    major competitors like Adobe analytics, they do sell their product.

    But when you look at their marketing collateral, they’re not selling the process of analytics, they are selling outcomes they are selling insights you can make that will improve your business decision making or saving you time on processing data, something like that, where, again, the process of analysis is not what’s being sold.

    When we take a step back, and think about how we try to sell analytics, we realize that most of the time, most of us are selling it wrong.

    We could talk about the quality of analysis.

    And there is some merit to that.

    I mean, again, substitute the word analytics for cooking.

    A minimum level of quality is essential, right? Yeah, it’s actually the legal requirements for how to handle food safely.

    But beyond that, do you really care who is in the kitchen cooking, or how it’s being prepared? What steps are being taken, you do if you want to cook a dish, you know, that you really like at home and you want to try and reverse engineer it.

    But if you’re there just to have dinner, you’re not there most of the time to watch the process of cooking.

    The exception being like a Bachi grill where they’re just gonna like cook in front of you and put on a show.

    For the most part, though, you’re buying that finished products you’re buying the not having to cook at home, not having to spend the time not having to go grocery shopping and things you’re buying a lot of convenience in one package.

    When we sell analytics.

    If we’re selling, trying to sell the process instead of trying to sell the outcome we’re not going to do well.

    I’ve not seen a restaurant ad maybe ever that talked about the cook Same process, I have seen plenty of ads, talking about the finished products, you know where there’s a picture of a steak or chicken or a salad or something like that and save money save time.

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    Try a new cuisine, but not try a new cooking process.

    Right now you can sell appliances that way, right? Hey, here’s an air fryer, it helps you fry better and faster, it’s a healthier way of frying, etc.

    And you can sell analytics tools that way, here’s a tool that will process your Google Analytics data differently, or better or faster, with fewer mistakes.

    But selling the process of analytics is extremely difficult.

    And it’s not the best focus.

    The focus to, to sell analytics is to sell the outcome.

    Here’s what you’re going to get.

    Right? When you look at a menu at a restaurant, particularly at the diner, where there’s pictures of everything.

    There’s no process there, you’re looking at a nice food picture of a burger and fries or a steak or whatever.

    And you’re going oh, that looks good.

    I’m gonna get that.

    Oh, that sounds good.

    You’re buying outcomes.

    So that’s true for a lot of things.

    If you find that you’re having trouble selling something, it probably means you’re not selling the outcome enough.

    It probably means you’re bogged down in selling the process and people don’t buy process.

    People buy outcomes.

    You and I buy outcomes.

    If we bought process.

    We would be standing in the kitchen watching somebody cook.

    Right.

    I guess you can do that a Bochy restaurant or a sushi place and stuff, watch the sushi chef fields in there, trimming the tuna and stuff like that.

    And that’s there’s there’s value in that for the entertainment factor.

    But that’s not why you’re buying it, because you don’t leave.

    When you’re done watching the process.

    Right? You don’t leave the hibachi restaurant, there was the show and Okay, it’s time to leave.

    Now you actually eat the outcome.

    And so the process, even when it’s a show, still, we’re really still buying that outcome or just some entertainment along the way.

    So that’s how you sell analytics to people who don’t even want to look at their animal once you find the outcome they’re after and you sell them their outcome.

    And if you don’t know what that outcome is, you got to ask them, what outcome are you after? What decisions you’re going to make, what actions you’re going to take and build your sales process around that.

    Good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Correlation of Visitors and Conversions by Visitor Type?

    You Ask, I Answer: Correlation of Visitors and Conversions by Visitor Type?

    Andy asks, “I received a request yesterday for a report that “maps the correlation between the % of new and returning visitors onsite and the number of conversions, by day”. My first thought was to go into GA and create a couple of different views showing new/returning visitors and conversions. What do you think?”

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    In today’s episode, Andy asks, I received a request yesterday for a report that maps the correlation between the percentage of new and returning visitors on site.

    And the number of conversions by day.

    My first thought was to go into Google Analytics and create a couple of different views showing new and returning visitors and conversions.

    What do you think? My first question is? Well, what are we trying to prove here? Because visitors should correlate to, to conversions.

    Christopher Penn 0:45

    I think maybe you’re trying to figure out whether it’s new audiences or returning audiences that drive more conversions.

    And so I don’t know that this would be the best model to prove that, but you can do it.

    So here’s the steps that I would take.

    First, you need to extract the data itself.

    So you need the number of new users by day, number of returning users by day and the number of conversions by day, be aware that mixing and matching different number types is a bad idea.

    So instead of percentage of new and returning visitors, which isn’t great, just use the absolute numbers.

    So we had 12, returning users and 44 new users, and then the number of conversions.

    Awesome, don’t mix up data types, like don’t have new users and sessions.

    Don’t Don’t do that.

    So that’s step one.

    Step two is get all that data out of Google Analytics and into some kind of system that can run correlations.

    And it has to be a system that can do different types of correlations.

    Generally speaking, when we talk about correlation, there’s three different kinds of correlation that you can run.

    There’s a Pearson correlation, a Spearman correlation, and a Kendall tau correlation.

    And if you’ve never heard these terms before, then you are just like me, and you slept through statistics class in college, right? Which I did, I did terribly in that class, which is ironic, had to relearn all later on in life.

    Each statistical test of correlation fits a different type of data.

    So Pearson correlation, which is generally what is most used in tools like Excel and stuff like that.

    When you type in like the correlation function in Google Sheets, or in Tableau, it’s probably using Pearson out of the box.

    Pearson correlations are good if your data, when you plot it out, looks like a bell curve, right? For for normal distributions.

    Pearson correlations are the best tool for the job.

    That is not most marketing data at all, right? If you were to take your marketing data and reorder it, by largest to smallest, most marketing data is a power law distribution.

    Now a Pareto curve 80% of your traffic comes from 20% of your of your days, and so on and so forth.

    longtail, you hear that term a lot.

    When you have data that is doesn’t fit a normal distribution, which is called nonparametric.

    Spearman correlations are the best to use the the best technique to use, and instead of a p value, you get an R value.

    And then the third one, Kendall tau is best for ordinal data.

    So if you have two lists of ranked data, you would use Campbelltown for that.

    So get all of your data out, get it into a spreadsheet, make sure it is all ordered by day, and then run a Spearman correlation for each one of the things you’re going to find probably is you’ll find that one of those two metrics has a stronger correlation.

    With Spearman correlations, they are they’re just like Pearson correlations in the sense that anything above point five is a strong correlation.

    Anything below.

    Point 5.25 is a weak correlation.

    Anything below point two five to zero is no correlation.

    And the same is true on the negative side.

    So you can have negative correlations as well.

    The question that I would ask though, is, so what? Right, so if you find out more new users has a greater correlation to conversions and returning users.

    Okay, so what is the person who’s requesting this? What are they going to do with that information? I suppose if it’s new users, then you look at the channels that drive new users and say, Okay, let’s invest more in the channels that are driving the most new users.

    Same is true for returning users.

    But fundamentally, I would question whether that data type is as relevant as you know, the channels the individual channels.

    So one thing you might want to take a look at is looking at new and returning users by your most popular channels like search or email or social media and so on and so forth, because that might lend more granular results that you can save a step or two.

    In terms of the level of analysis.

    That’s not to say that it’s not the analysis is not without value.

    It’s the number one thing we always want to ask a stakeholder when they come to us with a very specific mathematical test is okay, what are you going to do with the information? Right? What decisions will you make? If they’re just going on a fishing trip?

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    You might say, Okay, that’s cool.

    And still happy to run the analysis for you.

    But have you ever thought about what your next step is? Because most people don’t, most people don’t think about the next step.

    And as a result, because they don’t think about the next step, they don’t have a clear picture in their heads of what it is they would do next.

    And that’s where all the value is in analytics.

    A lot of the time analytics, by itself is rearview mirror, right, it’s what happened is looking backwards.

    That’s a limited value.

    When you’re driving, there is value in looking in the rearview mirror every now and again.

    But unless you’re Mario Andretti and then you just never look in the rearview mirror.

    But if you’re trying to make decisions going forward, you have to have some sense of where this person wants to go with this thing.

    And if they don’t know, that is the opportunity for you as an analyst to add value.

    That’s an opportunity for you to say, Okay, have you also thought about this channel level, new and returning users? And then help them run the tests and say, Okay, here’s the conclusion that we reached, that x or y is a better choice for getting more of the result that you care about.

    So give that some thought.

    But it’s a very interesting question, and I think the analysis is worth doing.

    Let’s see what you come up with.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • Mind Readings: Analytics Strategy Control

    Mind Readings: Analytics Strategy Control

    In today’s episode, we talk about measuring what you can and cannot control.

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    In today’s episode of Mind Readings, let’s talk about analytic strategy, something that was on my mind recently as I was thinking about analytics overall is that we spend a lot of time looking at a lot of data to try and understand what happened. And why. And that’s important. That’s a vital use of analytics. But in some ways it’s kind of a waste of time in some ways.

    And I say this because as I do more and more work for clients and look at their data, a lot of folks measure a lot of things that very critically they don’t have control over. And because they don’t have control over those things, they can’t change them. So, for example, you have some level of control over what you post on social media but whether your post gets seen or not, you don’t have much control over that, right?

    You don’t have much control over how Facebook or Instagram or tick tock or whatever, how they choose content to be seen. They have literally artificial intelligence algorithms designed just for that. And as a result, it’s difficult to tease apart in your analytics whether a lack of performance, low performance in social media marketing as just as an example is because you didn’t do your job or because the algorithms that are out of your control chose not to show your content, even though it may have been perfectly good content.

    Remembering that for most public social media, you are competing against essentially everything else. That piece of software wants to put in that slot, that space of inventory, including stuff that generates ad revenue. So should we be measuring it? Yes, but probably not as often as we think we need to be. Right what we should be focusing on is what is under our control, what are the things that we can do differently.

    And sometimes that might just be the creative might that sometimes that might just be the things that the activities that we’ve done, knowing that we don’t have a lot of control. For example, I used to work in public relations and there are ways to prove the value of public relations, the ways to prove the return on investment. But an awful lot of the time activity is what kept report on not because practitioners are necessarily able or unable to to report on the impact, although it is the case in a lot of cases, but also because you don’t have control, right?

    You don’t have control over whether a reporter or a publication or a news outlet runs with your story or not. You might have a really compelling story and then Russia invades someone and suddenly no one is getting coverage. And so when we’re thinking about our analytics, we think about using our data. We actually think about what do we have control over.

    One of the things that I really like about more advanced analytics, like predictive analytics, is that it’s not just a rearview mirror, right? When you’re doing your analytics reporting, most of the time you are looking in the rearview mirror, and that’s OK. That’s what most analytics are for. That’s perfectly OK. But you can’t change what has already happened.

    You can’t go back in time, you can’t adjust to the data. Honestly, to show reality being different than it is. But when you start getting into things like predictive analytics, trends, forecasting and stuff, now you’re starting to get into higher value analytics where you can say, Look, let’s make these changes to our upcoming plans so that we get a different result so the question I have for you is how much of what you measure do you have control over when you’re reporting on it?

    And when it comes to making decisions and when it comes to taking action, how much are you focusing on the things you have control over and how much are you being asked to do things that are out of your control? If you work for a person or an organization that is consistently insistent on you affecting things that are out of your control, you might want to change who you work for because you’re never going to make people happy.

    You’re never going to be able to accomplish what you want to accomplish because you’re being asked to do things that you don’t have control over. All right. We want to rank number one in in Google for the search term. Well, you don’t have control over that. You have some right. You can build inbound links, you can create great content.

    But at the end of the day, it is not your decision about what gets listed for that search term on Google. Right. You have no control over that. One of the challenge aspects of adopting this mindset is you realize as a marketer, as a marketing professional, you have control over relatively little right? You don’t have control over what’s in somebody’s head.

    You don’t have control over various pieces of software and algorithms. You don’t have control over recommendation engines. So those things that you do have control over, make sure that you invest heavily in them. You have control over the quality of content you create and you have control over distribution channels. You own you, you you control who you send your emails to.

    Right? You can’t control what they say. We read some of that, but you at least know it got there as opposed to a Facebook where you put up a post and it falls into a black hole and you have no idea where another living human has even seen it.

    So what do you have control over and how much are you investing in those things where you do have control? Give that some thought as you build your analytic strategies, as you build your reporting strategies, and ultimately as you decide what it is that you as a person, as a professional and as an organization are going to focus on.

    Because if you spend all of your energy and time and effort and money on things you don’t have control over, you’re going to consistently be disappointed. Thanks for tuning in. We’ll talk to you soon. If you’d like this video, go ahead and hit that subscribe button.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: What Does Data-Driven Mean?

    You Ask, I Answer: What Does Data-Driven Mean?

    In today’s episode, we answer the question, “What does data-driven mean?”

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    And today’s you ask. I answer, asking the question, what does data driven mean? So here’s the way I explain data driven. Most of us have one of these things, right? As a map application on there, some kind of Google Maps Apple Maps, whatever. How does that work? How do you use it? Do you just get in the car, start driving and see what the app tells you?

    Maybe, you know, there there are people who like to do that kind of exploration for most of the time to use that tool. We open it up. We set a destination and then we hit Go, Hit Start, and the software looks at all the possible routes to get from where we are to where we want to go and takes into account things like traffic, road closures, et cetera, and gives us a recommended route That is literally being data driven.

    You are being data driven when you set the destination and then the machine helps you navigate. Now, notice that the machine doesn’t do the driving for you, right? You still have to get behind the wheel is for now as self-driving cars improve. Obviously that may change. But for today, in 20, 22 you still have to do the driving.

    You still have to set the destination. But the machine guides you on making choices. And sometimes those choices, you may know better, right? If you’re just using the app locally, you may know, oh gosh, actually that route that you picked is technically shorter, but it’s an unpleasant drive. I’d rather take the slightly longer, but that’s less efficient. But a much more pleasant drive.

    Right? Or Hey, I know that that road that you say is closed is not actually closed. And so you may make different choices, but especially when you’re in a geography that you don’t know, being data driven in this example means you put in the destination, you let the machine guide you, right? You make your choices based on what the machine tells you based on its data.

    When we talk about being data driven in business, in marketing and strategy, that’s what we mean. Mean the data that you have should be able to tell you, here’s what’s likely to happen. And the best recommendations for moving in the direction you want to go. This presents some rather difficult challenges, doesn’t it? Because last I checked, no software that we use actually gives us driving directions, right?

    When you open up Google Analytics, it doesn’t tell you what to do with your website. Right? When you open up your marketing automation software, it doesn’t tell you what to put in your next newsletter. And so even though we will talk about being data driven and even though analytics companies and analytics software will say, adopt a data driven mindset, it doesn’t match up to what is actually being data driven.

    Right? Because unlike a GPS, none of these pieces of software acts like a GPS. They don’t tell you what turn to take next. You know, the destination you want to go to, right? You know, you need 10,000 marketing qualified leads or $100,000 in pipeline or whatever the number is. You know where you need to go but the promise that we’ve sort of established from the discussions about being data driven versus the reality are pretty far apart.

    We don’t have much that allows us to be data driven, not in the truest sense of turn right now we’re starting to we’re starting to predictive analytics in particular, starting to get to a point where there’s more guidance right? If you have things that are cyclical and seasonal, you can use trend analysis and forecasting to make decisions and predict what’s likely to happen coming up.

    But it is early days for that, right? It’s very, very early days. And the reality is right now it’s inaccessible to a lot of people. When I put together my content calendar, I used predictive analytics. I use forecasting. Here’s what the terms that are likely to be trending in the next week or month or whatever but that’s with software that I wrote and data sets that I ingest because I wrote software to to to get those to.

    That’s not something that is universally available to everyone. And so I would argue that very, very few folks right now are data driven, not because they don’t want to be, not because they are doing something wrong, but because the tools don’t allow them to be data driven. There is no such thing as a marketing G.P.S. or a strategy or a financial G.P.S. that says make this decision next turn right here doesn’t exist.

    Will it ever exist? I don’t know. It depends on how complex the models are, how much data they can ingest and how intelligently they can pass it.

    But at the very least, it’s safe to say that for today, there isn’t much that allows you to truly be data driven right. So even though we have data and we have strong analysis and we have maybe some insights for market research, we don’t really have a ton of things that allow us to be truly data driven. We don’t have somebody or something saying, turn right here, When you address a vendor that is talking about how their software helps you be data driven.

    Bring out that mental model of the map application on your phone. If I put my destination here, will your software tell me where to go Most software vendors, if they’re honest, will say, No, no, it doesn’t do that. It can give you some insights. It can tell you what happened. It can hint at things, but it’s not going to tell you which direction to go or when to do things.

    That is still a function that is reserved for us as the decision makers. And it’s one of the reasons why a lot of the time when people ask, Is I going to take my job now? No, it’s not. Not if you’re good at your job because you still got to do the driving and you still got to set the destination and today you still have to decide what turn good decision to make turn by turn, because the software doesn’t tell you that.

    Software tells you how far you’ve gone, how fast you’ve gone, how fuel efficient you’ve been. But that’s it, right? Most analytic software is rearview mirror only, and there’s not easy off the shelf solutions to be data driven. Again, it can be done, but it requires fairly technical teams and it requires access to data and knowing what you’re doing with it.

    So it’s a challenging question. What is data being data driven mean? And the reality is that most of us are not, and that’s OK for right now. But know that that’s the goal. That’s where we want to get. And the first company in your sector, in your space that gets there is going to go really, really far, really quickly.

    So our aspiration is to be that company so that we can do very well for ourselves. Thanks for tuning in. We’ll talk to you soon. If you like this video, go ahead and hit that subscribe button.

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