Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Machine Learning vs. AI?

    You Ask, I Answer: Machine Learning vs. AI?

    Maureen asks, “Why do people use machine learning and AI interchangeably?”

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    Christopher Penn 0:13

    In today’s episode, Fabrizo asks, Can you make the intro shorter? Yes, the intro is now 60% shorter from 30 seconds down to 12.

    Now, Maureen asks, why do people use machine learning and AI these two terms interchangeably? Well, the reason is because honestly, it’s because I think most people don’t have a good sense of what either term means.

    And so they just kind of mix and match.

    To be clear.

    Artificial Intelligence is a an umbrella term that is specific to teaching machines to develop intelligence skills that we have naturally.

    So if you are watching this video, and you can distinguish me from the background here, right, you’re using vision, if you’re hearing the audio to this video, and that’s not just noise, you’re able to distinguish things like sounds, different sounds you’re using hearing, right? If those sounds get turned into words, you’re using what’s called language processing.

    All of these are intelligence skills.

    And when we teach computers to do these things with artificial intelligence, right, it’s an intelligence skills that we’re teaching to a machine, rather than being something that’s natural, done by humans or other animals to obviously, things like parrots can certainly learn to repeat words and such.

    machine learning is a subset of artificial intelligence, it’s part of AI, but it is not all of AI.

    And machine learning, specifically refers to giving data to machines from which they can write their own software, right, they can build their own code, based on the information they’re given, and a pre defined set of tools and algorithms to build their own code.

    All machine learning is AI, but not all AI is machine learning.

    Right? So it is a subset.

    Why people use these two interchangeably, partly, partly is a marketing reason.

    In some ways, artificial intelligence has been a buzzword now for about 10 years.

    And as such, has sort of lost its luster.

    Understandably, so.

    There have been many, many AI projects that have gotten off the ground that didn’t really go anywhere.

    And there have been a number of movies and TV shows and things where consumers and the general population were introduced the concept of AI and it created these mistaken perceptions about what machines are capable of people think of, you know, the Terminator, and killer robots and Star Trek.

    And all of these different types of artificial intelligence that are more properly artificial general intelligence, which means machines that are essentially sentient, no such things exist as of this recording, and so for distinguishing that sort of consumerization of the AI term, a lot of folks have said, Okay, well, maybe we should focus in specifically on the machine learning part.

    Given data, we’re teaching machines to do other intelligence tasks and create their own software.

    Most of the artificial intelligence that you interact with on a day to day basis is machine learning.

    From recommendations that you get from Google Analytics, from recommendations you get on Amazon when you’re shopping and says You might also like these three other things that are somewhat related to what’s in your cart, every time you fire up Netflix, and it suggests another series, or you fire up Spotify, it says, Consider adding these songs to your playlist.

    All of that is machine learning.

    There’s yet another distinction that people like to make the differences between classical machine learning and deep learning.

    Deep learning is when machines are not only writing their own software, but they’re also choosing their own algorithms based on all kinds of data inputs and these neural networks.

    The closest analogy I think you could easily make as if machine learning is a chef with a lot of very expensive, fancy machines that do you know 90% of the prep work.

    Deep learning really is a kitchen that almost completely runs itself, right? There’s there’s very little to no human intervention a lot A lot of the time,

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    the challenge and the reason why you would pick one of the over the other is based on the amount of data you have.

    Deep learning requires a lot of data, we’re talking millions of records, millions of samples from which the machine can create a neural network.

    Oftentimes, especially in marketing, we don’t have millions of examples to train on.

    So when we have something, for example, like the GPT, Neo X, natural language generation models, that’s trained on 800 terabytes of text, right, the entirety of Wikipedia, the entirety of Google Books, there’s tons of information to work from when you’re trying to build a model for your ideal customers.

    But you don’t have 10s of millions of ideal customers, right? If you’re a B2B company, you probably have like five ideal customers, right? That the CMOS of the Fortune 10 Are your ideal customers.

    And so those cases where classical machine learning makes a lot more different, much more of a difference is much more effective than deep learning.

    So which term should you use depends on which application if you’re talking about the overall teaching of tasks that are currently done by humans, vision, listening, language, etc.

    AI is a perfectly fine term to use.

    If you are talking about the feeding of data to machines to build their own models, you’re talking about machine learning.

    If you’re talking about building neural networks, out of very large data sets, you’re talking about deep learning.

    And there’s a few other more specialized terms in there, but those are probably not as well recognized outside of the AI field.

    So don’t worry too much about them right now.

    The last caution I will offer is Buyer beware.

    A lot of companies will say that they use artificial intelligence or machine learning and in fact are not.

    In 2018.

    The Financial Times did a survey of 100 companies that were claiming to use AI and did some substantial background investigation found that 35% of them were just outright lying.

    They had offshore outsourced humans doing the work instead.

    So just because something is using AI or machine learning a doesn’t mean it actually is and be doesn’t mean that it’s it’s any good, right? I can use machine learning to overcomplicate nearly any problem.

    It doesn’t make the solution better.

    It just changes what technologies are in the solution.

    So really good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Business Intelligence Tools for Marketers?

    You Ask, I Answer: Business Intelligence Tools for Marketers?

    Chandni asks, “What new age business intelligence tools would you recommend for marketers?”

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    Johnny asks, what New Age business intelligence tools would you recommend for marketers? New Age like, like healing crystals and stuff? I’m assuming you mean, what new? What new technologies? Would I recommend for marketers? I wouldn’t.

    Here’s why.

    Business Intelligence tools are like appliances.

    Right? an appliance, like a blender, for example, is only as good as the person using it.

    The ingredients that go into it, and the recipe you’re trying to make.

    Recommending a, you know, a shiny or faster, more powerful blender doesn’t help if you don’t know what a blender is, or how to use one properly.

    Right? Let’s say you’re making smoothies, should you be using a blender? Yes.

    Because making a smoothie by hand sucks.

    If you’re making steak, should you use a blender? Oh, oh, you shouldn’t? Not for any reason, I can’t think of a single application where that makes sense.

    So there are all these business intelligence tools out there.

    There’s classics like SPSS, there’s Tableau, there’s Alteryx.

    There’s our studio and Python and Google Data Studio, and you name it, there’s so many to choose from.

    And here’s the secret that vendors don’t want you to know that for the most part, they all pretty much do the same thing.

    There are little differences here.

    And there.

    Certainly user interface and customer support and stuff are valid differentiators.

    But in terms of the core functionality, business intelligence tools are about as different as blenders are right.

    So you can get a super high end, you know, 900 Vitamix, or you can get, you know, the Amazon Basics, you know, a99 blender.

    And they fundamentally do the same thing, right? They blend things, how well they blend things, how long the motor lasts and stuff.

    Those are the differentiators quality of build, service and support.

    same was true for BI tools.

    There are different BI tools that fit like what cloud platform you’re tied into, like Power BI, if you’re a Microsoft shop, you’re probably using Power BI whether you want to or not.

    If you’re an IBM shop, you’re using Watson Studio, again, whether you want to or not.

    So the question then becomes, well, if the tool isn’t the differentiator, what is the answer is you.

    What I recommend for marketers is not more tools, right? If you got a blender, you don’t need a second blender.

    Even though every blender vendor out there would like you to buy their blender, you don’t need more than one, maybe two, if you’re afraid that that one’s going to break.

    Same with BI tools, it’s not a question of do you need a better tool? Unless the tool you’ve bought is horrendous.

    The bigger question is, do you know how to use the ones you have? And do you know I have a book of recipes, and you have the right ingredients? So let’s presume and say you have the right ingredients, you’ve got good data, and it’s clean, which is admittedly a very large assumption.

    Do you personally know the different statistical techniques that your BI tool is performing? Do you know what questions to ask of it? Do you know when you should use regression versus classification? Do you know the different types of regression? That knowledge which is kind of like recipes, recipes and techniques and cooking, right? That knowledge is what’s going to make a BI tool useful.

    So it’s not the tool, it’s the person using the tool.

    And so I would recommend marketers that you learn the basics of data science, you don’t have to become a data scientist, right? You don’t have to go back and study calculus and linear algebra and stuff like that.

    But you should know, for example, what are the different kinds of types of regression, you know, what are the different types of classification? There’s binary classification multinomial classification.

    You should know what those things mean.

    You don’t need to know the math behind them necessarily, but you should know if you open a BI tool.

    What all these buttons do and what do they mean.

    Right.

    When you look at a blender, and you look at the control panel for blender, you should at least have a general idea of what each button does.

    You don’t have to know the specifics.

    You don’t have to know how electricity flows through the electromagnets to powers the motor and all that stuff.

    That’s that’s not helpful.

    But if there’s a smoothie button There’s a soup button, you probably should know the difference between the two.

    The same thing is true your BI tools.

    If a tool is saying, here’s some regression, here’s some prediction, here’s some classification.

    What is it mean? What are the buttons do? When do I use? Any given button?

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    Do you push this button? When you have data from Excel? Do you push this button your data from Google Analytics? How do you reconcile all these different options? When you know that, when you learned that, and you can make really good informed decisions with your BI tool, then you’re cooking? Right? Then you’re able to make the most of what you have.

    And as of that point, we can then say, and make an informed decision.

    Yeah, actually, the 99 blood dollar blender is not cutting it anymore, we need to do something a little higher end.

    But you’ll know why.

    You’ll know what things your BI tool can and cannot do.

    If you’re trying to do, for example, like x g boost, and the tool you have only does linear regression, you can say yeah, yeah, we need to upgrade, because the techniques that we want to use are not available in our tool.

    But it has to be driven by your business requirements, by your data requirements.

    And by the skills of people on your team.

    One of the big challenges with a lot of BI tools is that yeah, they all have like, you know, Swiss Army Knife stuff, have, you know, all sorts of different techniques.

    But do you know what to do with it? Do you know when to apply each of these techniques, and that’s what sets apart not only BI tools, but that’s what sets apart people in the organization.

    I know when to use this technique versus that technique.

    Right? It’s like cooking, do you know when to blend and when to fry or to broil? They’re different, they’re very different.

    Again, if you’re making steak, you’re probably gonna want to boil maybe fried definitely never blend.

    So that’s what I would recommend.

    I can almost certainly guess there are a number of people who work at vendors saying I wish you had mentioned my tool.

    And look, I’m sure your tool is great.

    In the hands of somebody incompetent, it’s useless.

    In the hands of somebody who’s proficient, it does amazing things.

    Your challenge as a vendor is to make more people who are competent at business intelligence in general.

    And your tool just happens to be the vehicle by which they do their work.

    But if you don’t have that audience of people who are really good at business intelligence at the mathematical and statistical techniques, the developing the shyness tool in the world won’t help because it’s like owning a blender that you never use.

    So really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Data Trends for Marketers?

    You Ask, I Answer: Data Trends for Marketers?

    Chandni asks, “What’s the next data trend to impact marketing teams?”

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    In today’s episode, Johnny asks, what’s the next data trend to impact marketing teams? Well, here’s the thing.

    There’s a lot that we know is coming down the pike in terms of data privacy, right data privacy, privacy, safe machine learning, privacy, safe data collection, and such that is absolutely going to impact marketers now, whether marketers and marketing teams know this or not.

    That is the big question.

    The laws have been passed, some have taken effect already, many are on their way.

    For example, the biggest one is California’s CPRA, which will take effect January 1 2023.

    One of the big, big changes in this law compared to CCPA, which was passed and went into effect in 2020, is that CCPA said, companies above a certain size, may not sell consumer data without consent without permission.

    The CPRA changes that to say, sell or share.

    So if you were doing a webinar, say with with my company Trust Insights, and in the past, we’d come to an agreement that we would co brand this and such, and I administered it, I wouldn’t be able to share that data with you, I would not be able to share that data with you, unless the consumer had opted in to having the data being shared, right.

    And so that changes a lot of how companies, especially B2B companies do their work.

    Right? Because instead of being able to share data, now, you have to obtain consent.

    And from a consumer perspective, right, you and I are consumers makes total sense.

    I prefer that as a consumer that you asked me for my permission before you go sharing my data with somebody, regardless of whether money changes hands or not, that data is still valuable.

    And so the big data trend that we as marketers need to be paying attention to for the next two to five years is privacy safe data collection, what data you’re collecting.

    More important, what are you doing with the data? If you’re collecting all this information, and you never act on it? Why Why bother? Right? Why collected unused data is a financial waste because it costs money to store it, it costs money to audit it, it costs money to process it.

    It is a security risk is massive security risk, right? unused data, is just waiting for somebody to break in and steal it, the less you have to steal, the less liability you have, right? If you are collecting, you know, first and last and date of birth and social security number and home address and home phone number.

    But all you ever do is email people get rid of everything else except the email address.

    You’re not using it, you’re not making good decisions with it.

    One of the things that I think is really important for marketers to think about is of the data that you do have, how much of it is predictive? So let’s say you have somebody’s postal code, right? You’re collecting postal code, zip code in the USA postal code in other parts of the world.

    If you apply data science to that, that feature among all the other features in your data set, what predictive power does it have? Does it tell you the propensity of somebody to make a purchase, right, if somebody from a certain zip code has a higher propensity to purchase and others and that’s useful information.

    On the other hand, if you run a sophisticated statistical analysis, and you find that there is no predictive power in that piece of data, stop collecting it, just turn it off because it’s not helping you write same with somebody, you know, home address.

    If that information does not help you predict the business outcome you care about, stop collecting it, it’s not helping, on the other hand, keep the things that do have predictive power.

    And that is not I wouldn’t call that a trend.

    I would call that a best practice.

    Do that analysis to figure out what data has predictive power and what data does not all of the information you collect, and know the information you store Other data trends, right now, I would say probably one of the largest ones that people are still in the very beginning stages of is actually harnessing artificial intelligence for marketing purposes.

    Many software vendors are, are doing it, but marketers themselves are not because of time of cost.

    And, frankly, because the outputs may not necessarily make a whole lot of sense.

    And so

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    I would say that in the next two to five years, marketers, particularly the larger companies, you know, enterprises will have to start using artificial intelligence, if they want to be able to unlock the value of all this data that they collected.

    It’s like, data is an ingredient, right? And we’ve been collecting data for years and years and years.

    It’s like having a pantry, our basement full of of ingredients.

    And we don’t really cook with them, right? We just collect and collect and collect.

    That’s not helpful, right? Whereas if we start to use AI to process that data to reduce it to make it actionable, that’s where advantage lays that’s where that’s where the good stuff is.

    So whether or not that is an actual trend, I don’t know.

    But that is the direction people need to go if they want to make use of the data they have and make better decisions.

    So really good question on data trends when it comes to marketing.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Data Preparation Pain Points?

    You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Data Preparation Pain Points?

    Naomi asks, “What is the biggest pain point for you in marketing data preparation?”

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    In today’s episode, Naomi asks, What is the biggest pain point for you in data preparation? Well, gosh, there’s so many things that can go wrong in data preparation.

    The biggest pain point, though, is that the data you have is not clean or complete.

    So very often what happens, particularly with marketing data, even with services like Google Analytics, is the data isn’t either complete, or is improperly collected, or, in some cases is just wrong.

    So for example, let’s say you have Google Analytics on your website, and you change themes.

    And you forget to put your tracking codes in the new theme.

    And you don’t notice this until the end of the month, when you go to do your reporting.

    The unfortunate truth here is that you’re out of luck, right? There’s no way to get that data back, it’s permanently gone.

    And so you’ve got a pretty big problem at that point, the data that you have, you can report on what you do have, but you’re missing a bunch, right? Is that sort of like a global shortage.

    And there are techniques to help mitigate something like that, especially if you are only missing a little bit of data, and you have an overwhelming amount of other data to work with? There are techniques called imputation methods that can guess essentially make a best guess at what happened on those days.

    But as we all know, there are marketing anomalies all the time, you may have had a tweet take off that day, you may have had an ad do really well, someone may have dropped an email.

    And imputation is going to guess based on things like predictive mean.

    So essentially trying to average out all of your other data and make a best guess as to what should have been that spot.

    If you had a successful anomaly that day.

    It’s not going to be picked up, right.

    And so things like your attribution analysis, as well as just basic reporting, are not going to be correct.

    So that’s one of the things that’s a big pain point.

    Another one is we have incorrect data.

    So again, let’s say you’ve got a website, and you’re running Google Analytics.

    Actually, no, let’s go do with this one, you’re doing your email marketing, right? And you’re trying to guess the open rate of your email marketing.

    But what you realize is that Apple’s mail privacy protection is auto opening, every email that you send to anybody who use the Mail app on iPhone or the back, and things like that.

    And so your data is there.

    But it’s not correct.

    Right? Is it is functionally incorrect, changed by this technology.

    And you can no longer rely on that information.

    Because it’s not real.

    It’s not what you’re trying to gauge, you’re trying to decide, are the emails that we’re sending out to people? Are they being open.

    And if a machine is opening every single email, then you don’t know that whether a person ever put eyes on that or not, or if it’s just done by a machine.

    And so that’s an example of where you have corrupted data, right.

    And you can have the same thing with Google Analytics, too, right? You have bots, and spam traffic showing up in new Google Analytics.

    It looks 10,000 visitors yesterday to your website, but 9900 of them were automated traffic.

    Again, that’s not something that you can easily repair.

    The challenge with all these different ways our data goes wrong is that in many cases, they’re not repairable.

    And they’re not something we can go back and re get, right.

    We can’t go back in time.

    We can only collect data and process data from right now moving forward.

    So if you’ve got bad data in your wherever it is, you store your data.

    And you don’t know that it’s bad.

    You could be making really bad reports and really bad forecasts from it.

    So that’s the biggest point in Data Prep is knowing whether your data is any good or not.

    Because if it is good, then you can work with it.

    You can do statistics and data science and machine learning and artificial intelligence, and all the fun stuff.

    But if your data is bad, you can’t do any of that.

    It’s like cooking, right? No matter what cool appliances you own, no matter how skilled you are as a chef, if your ingredients are bad,

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    there’s not much you’re cooking, right? If you if you had meant to buy flour, and instead you got sand, I don’t care how good a cook you are, you’re not making anything edible.

    Right? So that’s really is the the biggest pain point in data preparation.

    And a lot of companies that do you know, data preparation services, IBM has it built into Watson Studio, this tableau Data Prep and things like that.

    There’s all these different tools that makes the processing and the preparing of data better and easier.

    But none of them can address bad data, you know, poor data quality, none of them ever will be able to no matter what a vendor promises, there is no tool ever that will be invented that will go back in time and get you clean data from from the past.

    I mean, if you do have a time machine, I think I can think of better things to do with that than than fixing your marketing data.

    But good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Analytics That Impact Conversions

    You Ask, I Answer: Analytics That Impact Conversions

    Brian asks, “What are the most useful analytics you track that have the biggest impact on conversions?”

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    In today’s You ask I answer Brian asks, what are the most useful analytics you track that had the biggest impact on conversion or goal attainment? It depends, it depends.

    One of the things that we have to do if we want to become proficient at analytics, is get away from the idea that there is an always guaranteed number, or an always guaranteed formula that will tell us how we’re doing that will tell us how things are going.

    There isn’t.

    It vary so wildly, not only from company to company, but even in your own data, to the point where you may have to do more sophisticated analysis on a regular and frequent basis to determine whether or not something’s actually working.

    So let me give you an example.

    Imagine you download all your Google Analytics data, your source, your medium by date and goal conversions, sessions and all that good stuff, right? And you have the very valid question.

    What are the things that alone or in combination have the highest mathematical relationship a correlation to the outcome, you care about conversions? The answer to that requires some math.

    Specifically, there’s a few different techniques you can use to get that not answered.

    The first is, if you if there’s a defined time based series of data, you can do what’s called Markov chain modeling, where you are testing to see if the addition or subtraction of a channel in a chain of events, influences conversion.

    And the analogy that we often use for this is something like a basketball game, right, you have a bunch of players on the court, some of those players are really good shooters, right, they can score a three point shot halfway across the court.

    And they’re really, really good at getting the ball in the basket.

    However, in order for them to do their job, somebody needs to get them the ball.

    So there are also an equal number of players who have or don’t have good passing game.

    And their passing game enables the shooters to win.

    So who’s more important? Logically, we understand that there is no who’s more important, right? So those roles is vital to winning the game.

    The question is, how much does a player contribute? If you pulled this player out of the game, would you score less or more baskets, right, and you swap them in with a different player.

    That’s what Markov chain modeling does.

    And if you have those time series based chains of evidence, you can detect that with the help of machine learning, and be very effective at modeling to understand what it is that you should be doing more of.

    So when you run this, you would run an attribution analysis and figure out social media is working, or emails working, or SEO isn’t working, and so on, and so forth.

    And that gives you some good guidance.

    If you can’t do that, because you don’t have the data, you don’t have that chain of evidence.

    Your next best bet is something like multiple regression analysis.

    And this is where, imagine that all your data is on that big huge spreadsheet, you have what’s called a response column, the variable that you care about conversions, then you look at what are the mathematical correlations of every column alone or together that has the highest relationship to that conversions number? That’s a second way of doing that analysis to figure out okay, well, what are those things that indicate a relationship that you could then go test? So it may be it’s sending email on Tuesdays, and five tweets a day? I’m just making this up.

    But if you did that, and he did a multiple regression analysis, and you found those things that would then give you a testing plan, right? Let’s say if you say, email on Tuesdays five tweets a day.

    What happens if we go to 10 tweets a day on Tuesdays? Do we see lift right, we see a change.

    That’s us another method to determine what’s working.

    A third method is to use what’s called principal component analysis where you take the correlations of all these data points and you slim them down until You figure out what are the remaining variables left that make a difference of some kind that’s statistically relevant.

    And that would help you narrow, say 500 sources and mediums down to maybe your top 25, or your top 10.

    All three of these techniques are good.

    They all have situational use.

    They’re not no one technique is perfect for every single use case.

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    But what this does is it lets you select the metrics that matter.

    Because again, sometimes things will matter that you don’t think matter.

    I ran this recently found my own data.

    And I found that Twitter followers, the number of new Twitter followers, I got actually mattered, which was like all those months ago, really, but turns out it, it had a correlation.

    So I went out and started some do some Twitter campaigns to try and see if I could influence the number of followers I get, and then look to see, is there a relationship, a change a lift from doing that? If there is a lift, then I know it’s causal.

    more followers equals more conversions.

    If I do that, and there is no lift, then I know it’s just a correlation, perhaps spurious but there’s no causal effect between followers and conversions.

    So that’s the kind of thing you need to do.

    That means that there is no most useful analytics, like web or social or email is there isn’t? Because it varies.

    It depends on what’s happening in your data and in your marketing and with your audience.

    And it depends on time, it depends on who was involved, the offers being made.

    There’s a lot of extra variables, but that would be the first thing I would suggest from a an analytics perspective to figure out how do we tease out this information in such a way that we can then have something to test to prove that we know what is and is not working? Really good question is a challenging question to answer.

    You need some firepower, some analytical firepower to pull it off.

    It’s not something that you can just do quickly in Excel.

    But thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Identifying Working Topics in Content Marketing

    You Ask, I Answer: Identifying Working Topics in Content Marketing

    Matt asks, “How do you know which content topics are working?”

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    In today’s episode, Matt asks, How do you know what topics convert the best? This is a very common question and is a very challenging question because it requires a lot of lifting on your part, to know this.

    First, in all the content you have, how well is it tagged? Right by topic.

    This is a topic kata email marketing, this is a topic about SEO, this is a topic about social media, and so on and so forth.

    So you all of your content in your data has to be tagged to say like, this is what the topic of this of this thing is.

    And then you need outcomes, like, how do you know what converts the best? Well, it depends on the conversion type, like what kind of conversion is a newsletter subscription? Is it a form fill? Is it a purchase, what is the conversion you’re trying to get? And then you have to mix these things together.

    So imagine a big old spreadsheet, right.

    And you have every blog post you have on your blog, for example.

    And you have it’s by day, and you have the your conversions per day, ideally, you have it at a at a per blog post level using something like Markov chain modeling, which we talked about in an earlier episode this week.

    Ideally, that’s in there as well.

    And then in that table, you will have tagged either manually or machine assistance, whether a post is about a specific topic.

    So you have, say a row where there’s an there’s a URL, and there’s columns as email zero or one, whether it’s an email post is a column for SEO, zero, or one.

    And then what you do is, you summarize all that and you run a regression, and you say, Okay, we know that our response column is leads generated, or what have you.

    Do any of these topics, the presence of any of these topics in all these different columns have a influence or driving factor that leads to conversion, because you’re still going to have other metrics in there, like sessions time on page, bounce rate, and all that stuff, all that is in there should be in there.

    But those topics that you’ve identified and coded into your data will become part of the algorithm that you run.

    To do that analysis to say, this combination of three things, lead seems to have the highest correlation to conversion.

    So posts on Wednesdays right posted a 700 characters long, and posts about email marketing, all three of those factors in combination lead to this outcome you care about.

    And that information then allows you to start building a testing plan.

    That testing plan gives you the insights you need to say, Okay, we’ve now proven correlation that posts on Wednesdays there are 700 words long about email marketing, seem to convert best.

    Let’s do a bunch of those.

    And see if you double the number of posts on Wednesdays about email marketing the 700 words long, do you see a doubling in your conversions? If the answer is yes, now you’ve teased out causality? If the answer is no, then what you had was correlative, and not causal.

    So that’s how you you make that determination.

    on topics, it’s a lot of work, it’s a lot of work, because even if you do it like bag of words, style, where if a post has the words, email marketing in it as an email marketing post, it still takes time to tag through.

    Now if you got a really big website, you could use like deep learning to try and read the content and assign it topics.

    But again, even that’s still a little bit iffy.

    And that still requires a lot of training data, right? A lot of information to tell the machines, here’s what this is about based on previous examples.

    So that part is tricky as well.

    But I would do that I would, I would tag it to the best of your ability, run the regression analysis and then say, yep, topics, whatever they are, however many of you have, either are or are not mathematically suggestive of the outcome you care about.

    And then you build your testing plan.

    Good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Content Analytics for Effectiveness

    You Ask, I Answer: Content Analytics for Effectiveness

    Sunny asks, “How do you create an argument (using data) that a piece of content is “working”. Is there a go-to formula you can pull to say – yes, kinda/sorta, needs work, or nope?”

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    In today’s episode, Sonny asks, How do you create an argument using data that a piece of content is working? Is there a go to formula you can pull to say yes, kind of sorta needs work or no.

    There’s a bunch of different ways to do this.

    The way that I usually do it for for customers is to run what is called a Markov chain model.

    Where if you think about every page or piece of content on your website as, say, a tile in a walkway, which tiles do people walk on the most on their way to getting to, you know, the front door, right.

    And then, based on the probability that a certain tile leads to the next tile, and the next hot leads, a person came to the door, you would say he would assign up importance numbers to those tiles, like this tile here, this is the one that everybody steps on, on the way to the door.

    The same technology is at play, when you’re doing these machine learning models for content analytics to say, this webinar, or this email, or this blog post, this is the one, this is the one that people always walk on.

    So let’s make sure that we assign the most importance to that.

    And then we know, we’ve got to send traffic there, we’ve got to share it on social media, run some ads, send an email, showcase it at a conference, put it in your Slack group, whatever the case is, whatever the the technique is, that is sort of my go to formula.

    Now, if if you don’t have access to that type of machine learning, and you don’t want to hire me to do it for you, which is fine.

    One of the other ways to handle that is to make sure that Google Analytics has goals and goal values, set up goals and goal values, because one of the things that Google Analytics does, it looks at the path that somebody takes as they traverse your website, and then the monetary value of the goal at the end.

    And then it infers the page value based on how many times that page appears in the path on the way to conversion, and obviously, what the conversion sizes.

    Now, for those folks who are ecommerce folks, that’s pretty straightforward, right? Your e commerce shopping software handles a lot of that for you.

    If you’re not an E commerce company, you can still do this by putting in a goal value and somebody fills out a form, right.

    So if you know that your average lead is worth 1000 bucks, then when somebody fills out a lead gen form 1000 bucks is what the value is that should go in there.

    And then once that’s in place, Google Analytics and start reverse engineering was the content value of every page on your website, what is the dollar amount that that pages has generated? And that’s, I would say one of the easier ways to answer this question of the two, I would go with the Markov chain model, because it is, I think, more accurate, and a bit more sophisticated.

    But the page value model is not a bad model, right? It’s, it’s certainly not terrible.

    And that’s, that’s my go to formula, if neither of those are our possibilities.

    Particularly if you’re trying to measure stuff off platform, like say, a page in your medium blog, or your posts on Instagram, then you can do multiple regression analysis.

    And this is where you take a big old table of every column of marketing data, you have Facebook likes and tweets and retweets and sentiment scores, and this, that and the other thing, and then you have a column at the end, which is your response variable, which is leads generated or sales made, or whatever the case may be.

    And then again, statistical software looks at all those different numbers alone and in combination.

    And says, this is the basket of metrics that has the highest mathematical correlation to the outcome you care about.

    And then once you know that, you can start to say, Okay, well, this piece of content or this channel really seems to resonate, right.

    If you have every page on your website with its, you know, with the number of visits on it, and then you have your conversions, you can see there’s certain pages over time, that have a strong propensity to convert.

    That’s another way of doing that.

    It’s a little more messy.

    But sometimes it’s the only way if you’re dealing with external data like your posts on LinkedIn and so on and so forth so that’s that’s the answer to that question it’s a good question thank you

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Best Practices for Reporting to Leadership

    You Ask, I Answer: Best Practices for Reporting to Leadership

    Tiffany asks, “What are some best practices and templates for reporting out at high-level meetings. Too often analytics can get into the weeds. No one wants that. What metrics should leadership actually care about?””

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    In today’s episode, Tiffany asks best practices and templates for reporting out high level meetings.

    Too often analysts get caught in the weeds.

    Nobody wants that.

    What metrics should leadership actually care about? What are you getting paid for? Right? One of the things that we often say is, what number? Are you going to get your bonus for this year? Right? And what number or what? Are you going to get your get fired? For? Those two really important questions.

    If you the answer to both those questions is I don’t know that I would say it’s time to update your LinkedIn profile, because you’re kind of in a really bad situation where you don’t know why you’re doing what you’re doing.

    Anytime that you’re dealing with reporting.

    You got to consider who the audience is.

    Right? So if your boss is making a dashboard for the CMO, well, what is the CMO care about what metrics are they held accountable for? are they accountable for lead generation sales qualified leads ecommerce carts? What is that person is paid for? What is it that that person gets a bonus for? That’s what goes on a dashboard, right? That’s what goes in your analytics reporting, because it’s fundamentally, building a customer centric reporting model, where you say like this is I know, this is the piece of information that you really actually care about.

    So here it is front and center.

    And then we can dig into the explanatory metrics, like why is sales qualified leads up 30% this month? Why are abandoned shopping carts? Down 17%? What is what’s going on? The explanatory metrics can go with that.

    But front and center on the big high level reporting is, what does everybody in the room getting paid for? One of the challenges and really big mistakes that a lot of people make when it comes to analytics and reporting dashboards is they try to do that whole, you know, the One Ring to rule them all.

    There is no such thing as one dashboard to rule them all.

    If you think about your organization, think about your org chart, right? That’s a big rectangle.

    And you have rows in this rectangle, the different levels, you know, C suite, President, Vice President, Director, manager, regular staff, interns, you’d have all these rows that are in your hierarchy.

    And then you have all these columns that are like verticals like finance, operations, HR, marketing, and so on and so forth.

    Imagine this table, every square in this table, needs to have its own dashboard.

    Because what the VP of HR cares about is not what the CMO cares about is not what the VP of Sales cares about, is not what the marketing manager or the web manager cares about.

    It’s not what they’re getting paid for, right? The website manager is getting paid for essentially keeping the website running.

    Right.

    So uptime would be a core metric, a KPI that they really care about.

    VP of Sales doesn’t give a rat’s ass about uptime, right? VP of sales is being held accountable for closed one deals.

    And so their dashboard should have closed one deals front and center.

    And then the explanatory metrics go in with that.

    That’s how you build effective reporting, right? It’s not about what you think belongs on there.

    It’s not about the insights you find it’s about what the audience who’s consuming the dashboard really cares about, and what they’re getting paid for.

    And if you can change up how you approach dashboarding, to that more customer centric approach that user centric approach, you’ll have a lot more success when it comes to getting people to look at your data, to review it.

    And to take action on it to do something with the data, do something with the insights, do something with the results.

    A lot of the times if people are not making decisions based on the data and the analysis of the insights you’re creating, it’s because they don’t know what to do.

    Right? The data is, you know that your dashboard may have a ton of stuff on it.

    They don’t care about the analysis may be unclear, like what happened.

    And the insights and the recommended actions that you take are not there.

    And so, as you go through and build this, reporting these analytics dashboards, that’s the focus you got to bring with it.

    leadership cares about what they’re getting paid for.

    Put those metrics on the dashboards.

    And everybody else in the organization who needs a dashboard should have been focused on those things.

    Now, one other caution I will have is that tools like Google Data Studio are really good at connecting you to your data, and being able to visualize it easily and in a friendly way.

    But as people build their own dashboards, sometimes what happens is, well, maybe that first time that you started a Word document, or spreadsheet, or whatever, maybe you were like a kid, and you found the font menu, and you used every single font in that document.

    Dashboards are the same way people have a tendency to do the same thing.

    There’s dials and speedometers and line charts and bar charts and they kind of throw everything in the kitchen sink at it.

    And all that visual clutter does is it makes the dashboard less effective.

    So when it comes to delivering metrics to leadership, streamline, make it as easy as possible so that when they look at they go, Oh, okay, I see what happened.

    I see why.

    And I know the decision that you want me to make increase the budget for this decrease the budget for that whatever the case is.

    Leadership should never be in doubt about the decision that you were asking them to make.

    Really good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Will AI Become Self-Aware?

    You Ask, I Answer: Will AI Become Self-Aware?

    Max asks, “Do you think it is possible that AI becomes more advanced to the point where an algorithm or deep learning can develop its own conscious thoughts?”

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    Alright, let’s get going here we have Max asking, Do you think that it is possible at AI, artificial intelligence becomes more advanced to the point where an algorithm or deep learning can develop its own conscious thoughts? Today? No.

    In the near future? No.

    The challenge with consciousness as we understand it right now, is that it is a massive interaction of a computer network, right? A massive neural network.

    What is in your pocket, right? These devices as smart as they are as connected as they are? This is really, you know, I think this phone has like, eight cores, eight processors or whatever, something like that.

    Now, your your laptop like I’ve got a brand new MacBook has got 32 cores.

    Your brain even though it is electrochemical, which is slower than than silicon, then then these things is trillions of interconnected processors.

    And it is that network that gives rise to consciousness.

    These devices, this hardware doesn’t have the ability to do that, right? There’s simply not enough, there’s no way to cram that many processors into a compact enough space where consciousness can emerge.

    Now, I say that that’s not enough time soon, but it doesn’t mean it’s impossible.

    One of the limitations of these things that our brains don’t have is because of the way things are networked together.

    Silicon processors can’t, they have no, they have no middle states, right, they’re either on or off zero or one.

    And our brains don’t work like that.

    We do have firing thresholds for neurons, but for the most part, we’re less zero to one, there’s there’s a lot of variants between zero and one.

    Now there is a form of computing that is getting towards that.

    And that is called quantum computing.

    Quantum computing allows for minus one to positive one and all the values in between, for a, a computation to occur in a processor.

    And we’re still only at like 130 Quantum cores.

    So we’ve got a long way to go, before we get to the trillions of cores needed to replicate what’s in here.

    But you can see a path forward for that, you can see a path forward where quantum computing will eventually give us the ability to have emergent consciousness from machines.

    Now what that looks like and when that happens, we have no idea it could be within my natural lifetime, it might be longer than that.

    A lot of it is contingent on physics, on the constraints that physics imposes on these types of computers.

    But it is possible and when that happens, we are going to have a bit of a reckoning as a society to figure out what all constitutes consciousness what all what all do we have to do about ethics and things when machines can actually think and feel for themselves? They cannot today, but they could at some point.

    So really interesting question Max.

    Thanks for for submitting Matt.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: What I Wish I’d Known About AI

    You Ask, I Answer: What I Wish I'd Known About AI

    Paul asks, “Looking back on the way you learned about AI, is there anything you wish you would’ve figured out first?”

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    Paul asks, looking back on the way you learned about AI, is there anything you wish you would have figured out first? Yes.

    So machine learning and data science really are a blend of, of four different areas, right.

    So there’s the business side, it’s the business problem, the the business strategy you’re trying to solve, there is the data engineering side, which is handling data.

    Storage, being able to, to retrieve and rank an index data this that you have stored, there is the coding side, where you have to be able to read and write code in a language like R or Python, which would allow you to be effective.

    And then there’s the mathematics, you know, statistics and probability side, knowing the advanced mathematics, so that you not only know what the machines are doing, but you know why, you know why certain algorithms make for better or worse fit, certain techniques make it for better or worse fit.

    And when I look back, I’m self taught on a lot of this stuff.

    So I have a lot of gaps.

    In my knowledge, particularly on the mathematics side, I can patch gaps pretty easily on the code side, I know the business side.

    I know the data engineering side fairly well actually, because I have an IT background, but my my weak spot, my blind spot really is on the mathematics side, particularly once you get into stuff like linear algebra and things like that.

    Higher level mathematics, that’s when I feel the biggest gaps.

    And so from a professional development perspective, certainly, that’s something I wish I had known, more of going into this.

    And certainly something that I’m spending a lot of time nowadays, trying to remediate so that it’s not as big a weakness, right? It’s not as big of a gap.

    do a self assessment in those four areas and figure out which area are you weakest in? Which area are you strongest in, and then try to patch those weak spots, particularly if you’re still in school.

    Definitely take the time to patch those weak spots, take an extra course in something that you know you’re not good at.

    So that it’s less of a vulnerability or added also it’s at the very least, you’re not going to be paying a lot of money to an institution to later on to reteach you something you have to learn the first time around.

    Good question.

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