Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Google Analytics 4 and Events?

    You Ask, I Answer: Google Analytics 4 and Events?

    Jo asks, “What’s the difference between an event and a conversion event in Google Analytics 4?”

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    In today’s episode, Joe asks, What’s difference between an event and a conversion event in Google Analytics 4.

    Once a conversion everything and Google Analytics 4 is an event.

    That’s one of the things that is so different about the software from the previous version, the previous version of Google Analytics, GA three or Universal analytics had for what are called scopes, right? The hit where the page view, the session, the user, and then the shopping thing.

    And the dimensions and metrics for each of these scopes were largely incompatible with each other, which made for some really challenging reporting.

    If you’ve ever tried to put together a Data Studio dashboard or Google Analytics three, you have probably seen the error message saying these are incompatible dimensions and metrics and your report blows up.

    In Google Analytics, 4.

    Because everything is an event.

    That is largely a thing of the past.

    So everything’s an event from how fast you scroll to how far down the page, you’ve read, to what you click on to a visit, to a user, all those things are events, the metrics, we’re used to like sessions, and users are really aggregated roll ups of events that are happening.

    So in Google Analytics 4, you can configure and set up up to 500 different events of any kind.

    In the software, plus it collects a basket of its own events by default of that, in the web interface for Google Analytics, 4, it’s under configure, you would then choose up to 30 of those events to be denoted as conversions.

    So when these 30, things have up to 30 things happen.

    These are conversions.

    And those are obviously the things that, you know, for example, somebody fills out a landing page, or subscribes or checks out of the shopping cart, or whatever the case may be, once somebody does something of value, that is a conversion event and Google Analytics 4.

    The challenge that a lot of folks are going to have with this is that you have to set the event value at the time the event is created.

    So it’s not something like in Google Analytics that you set up a goal and a goal value.

    And Google Analytics 4, that has to be done in Tag Manager, because hopefully, you’re using Google Tag Manager to do all the things like goal conversions, column conversions.

    And then you assign the dollar value of the conversion within Tag Manager.

    And so there’s no way to denote that in Google Analytics 4.

    But that’s the that’s the main difference.

    It really is just, you have 500 events that you can customize, you get the basket of whatever events are built in the box, and then you get up to 30 conversion events.

    So once you start collecting data, on your website, you’ll see a list of events and Google Analytics 4.

    And these look, check the little slider next to the events that you say this is a conversion.

    And what Google Analytics 4 will then do is in all of its reporting, and all of its analysis tools, it will then look for an event value and be able to present to you things like revenue and stuff that’s built in.

    So that’s that’s the difference.

    Get used to doing a lot of stuff in Tag Manager because that’s where conversion events and all events now are generated for Google Analytics 4.

    Thanks for tuning in.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Google Analytics 4 and LGBTQ+ Demographic Data?

    You Ask, I Answer: Google Analytics 4 and LGBTQ+ Demographic Data?

    Stasia asks, “In Google Analytics 4, how do you configure demographic data for LGBTQ+ friendly things like non-binary genders?”

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    In today’s episode Stasi asks, in Google Analytics 4, how do you configure demographic data for LGBTQ plus friendly things like non binary genders? You can’t, unfortunately.

    And here’s why.

    The demographic data that is in Google Analytics 4, and Google Analytics three, for that matter, comes from Google’s Double Click Network.

    The tracking data comes from double clicks, essentially, user demographics.

    And the ad tech world is a little behind in terms of supporting things like non binary genders, which is fine.

    If you identify as either SIS or trans male or female, you get bucketed in the correct category is for anybody who doesn’t fit in those two buckets.

    There’s there is no accommodation for it.

    Which means that because it’s not in the ad, tech side of things is not in Google Analytics 4.

    And until it becomes available on the ad tech side of the house, it will not be available in Google Analytics 4.

    So given that, how do you accommodate for this? Well, the easiest way to do that is to collect information directly from your visitors from you users.

    If you have the ability for someone to log in, and fill out a profile, then you can ask, obviously, things like age and gender, and whatever other identifying characteristics that you want.

    And that will be tied to their their login.

    Now, will that be the same amount of coverage that you get out of, say, Google Analytics 4, the default? No, absolutely not.

    It’s not the same amount of coverage.

    But at the same time, if you’ve done a good job of building a relationship, and establishing and strengthening that relationship with your users, you may get more information out of them, then Google can out of its other users, because the way it pulls together that third party data is from all the other sites in the Double Click Network.

    And the data that’s available to them so somebody on I don’t know, CNN, and CNN has some demographic data available.

    It’s only as good as the trust in the audience that you get from the people who visit CNN or Fox News or, you know, whatever web properties that are enrolled in the double click for publishers program.

    That’s the data that goes into double click, could Google implement, for example, multiple genders? Yes, they could.

    But the question then would be, how good would that data be because Google itself does not generate that data, it pulls it from all the individual publishers.

    So if you’re on sports, illustrated ESPN, and if ESPN is not gathering that data and is not accommodated for, you know, non binary genders, then the data simply won’t be there.

    And even if it is, again, depending on the level of trust that that organization has with its audience, the data may or may not be PSAs, may or may not be reliable.

    So your best bet is to do the profiling yourself.

    Ask people, when they log in, when they sign up for your newsletter when they subscribe to your podcast.

    That’s the time to ask for that information.

    And then what you’d want to do is start building models.

    Based on that if if gender is you think a critically important factor for things like lead quality for your organization, if you think that it matters, you’d want to establish that.

    So you’d build a way to gather that data for identified records, then you’d say, Okay, here’s our business outcome, like, purchases, or whatever.

    And then you have all the data that you have about your leads, including gender, and you would run it through some kind of multiple regression analysis to say, does gender have any identifiable impact on the outcome, for example, are people who identify as non binary you know, likely to purchase more or more often than people who identify as traditionally male or female, if it turns out that gender is not a contributing factor, then you can safely a ignore it going forward? B, you might want to stop collecting it because it is personally identifiable information, which is radioactive.

    And C, you won’t have to worry terribly much about the data you get in Google Analytics 4, because you’ve established that gender in this example, is not a driver of the outcomes that you care about.

    So that’s how I would recommend doing the workaround, knowing that you’re probably not going to get non binary genders in Ad Tech Data anytime soon.

    Again, it’s reliant on the publishers and the publishers.

    They’re pretty far behind the times too.

    So really good question.

    Hopefully was helpful

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Google Analytics 4 and Triggers for Unwanted Items?

    You Ask, I Answer: Google Analytics 4 and Triggers for Unwanted Items?

    Marcio asks, “How do you create a trigger where GA 4 isn’t supposed to track something like a login page?”

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    In today’s episode Marcio asks, How do you create a trigger in Google Analytics 4, where you don’t want to track something like a login page when people visit a login page, you don’t want to track those things.

    The short answer to this is that if there’s an event that is trackable of some kind, then you can simply configure within Tag Manager to say, Don’t fire, the Google Analytics, 4 tags.

    When this these these conditions occur.

    One of the big changes between Universal analytics or Google Analytics three, and Google Analytics 4 Is that Google Analytics 4 is highly reliant.

    On Google Tag Manager.

    Four, it’s the majority of its configuration.

    So if you have a login page, and that login page creates an event that is visible inside the data layer, which is the metadata that is created, anytime we’re visiting a page, there’s a number of Chrome plugins like data Slayer, that you can see what’s in the data layer, the way I explained it a lot is it’s like a piece of plexiglass, you put over a page, and then you write notes and stuff on the plexiglass.

    It’s doesn’t you can’t see it on the page.

    But those extra notes there.

    So when somebody for example, clicks on the login button, that button can have a JavaScript attached to it in the JavaScript can say, hey, I’m going to click this login button.

    And when that happens, there’s now a trackable event in in Google Tag Manager and Google Tag Manager can then be set up to have a trigger looking for that event.

    And that trigger can then be added to the tag.

    So you have a Google Analytics 4 event tag like pageviews.

    And you would say, as an exception, don’t fire this page view tag.

    Anytime you see this login page trigger, right? Those triggers can be configured, again with any trackable activity.

    And now, there’s some events and activities where you can, you don’t need those extra pieces of code, like the JavaScript on the page, if it’s something that’s pretty straightforward that Google Tag Manager can already see.

    So let’s say you have a page just like Christopher Penn calm slash login, and there’s a form on that page, you can say trigger that looks for a form submission, which is built into Tag Manager on the login page.

    So that would be a trigger when when someone is on the login page and fills out this form, raise your hand Tag Manager, raise your hand, that’s what the triggers do.

    And then on your tags, you would say, Google Tag Manager is looking for pages to tell Google Analytics 4, someone’s visiting.

    And up here comes somebody.

    And it looks and says, Hmm, there’s a trigger here, it says login page trigger.

    And then in that tag, configuration, you say, don’t, don’t track this, if that login page trigger goes off.

    So the things that are built in to tag match are things like click URLs, if somebody clicks on a certain link, by by name, fills out a form visits a page is a portion of a page clicks on some kind of thing that is detectable.

    And even, you can even be restricted down to say, I want it to be a click only in with this certain ID if you’ve got IDs embedded into your web content.

    So it’s very flexible outside of the box.

    And then for anything else, where maybe you’ve built your own custom CRM, which we’ve had clients do.

    Those are cases where you would want that JavaScript Creating a Custom Event.

    And Tag Manager would listen for that custom event.

    When he hears it triggers, raise his hand, and then tells Google Analytics 4.

    Don’t track this.

    So that’s the easiest way to to not track something in Google Analytics 4 using Google Tag Manager.

    There is

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    some debate about whether that’s the best way to handle that situation.

    And the debate is this.

    If you’ve tell Tag Manager don’t track this.

    Google Analytics 4 will not have that data.

    As opposed to saying, I want to see everything that everybody’s doing all the time on our website, but we want to create a custom dimension that tells me if a user is logged in, and then I on my on the reporting side, I can exclude any session that has that that custom dimension set.

    So you’re not losing any data so that if for example, marketing wasn’t the only group of people Well, that was using Google Analytics, maybe a customer service was as well.

    And customer services like, hey, we want to know, when people are logging in as user, we want to see how many people that is your kind of volume is, if that’s the case, then you’re going to want to create a different approach and the different approaches, same general thing, right, you have a, your, your trigger that says someone’s logged in.

    But now you would modify your Google Analytics 4 tag to say, when this page you fires, and we have that logged in user event, send a custom dimension event to Who will I don’t look for and record that.

    So that you know that the person is logged in.

    That’s the more data complete way to handle this particular situation.

    My personal opinion is that I would go the data complete route, so that you’re getting an accurate, you know, views, page views and stuff for everything, and then exclude on the reporting side rather than willfully excluding the data upfront, because again, you may have multiple departments in your company where people need information that marketing isn’t just marketing’s.

    And frankly, sometimes you just want to see what people are doing.

    Right.

    And so having that information still be available, but appended with the correct custom dimensions or metrics.

    Well, that to me is the better way to go.

    So really good question.

    It’s a relatively straightforward setup.

    You’ve just got to be handy with Google Tag Manager because again, with Google Analytics 4, that is the preferred way, the strongly recommended way to do any kind of configuration for Google Analytics 4.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Google Analytics 4 and Lead Scoring?

    You Ask, I Answer: Google Analytics 4 and Lead Scoring?

    Marcio asks, “Can you connect data from Google Analytics 4 into a lead scoring model via marketing automation?”

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    In today’s episode, Marcio asks, Can you connect data from Google Analytics 4 into a lead scoring model via marketing automation? Well, the answer to this question depends on what marketing automation software you’re using.

    And whether or not it integrates with Google Analytics 4 or not.

    Google Analytics 4 is essentially Firebase.

    So if you’ve got a marketing automation system that in the past has integrated with Firebase, chances are, it’s going to integrate just fine with Google Analytics 4.

    If you’ve had a marketing automation system as integrated with the previous version of Google Analytics, Google Analytics three or Universal analytics, then I would check with the vendor and ask, Hey, is this something that’s going to be supported? Are you going to to offer support for Google Analytics? 4? If the answer is yes, then hopefully, you’ll get the integration sooner rather than later, since there is a deadline of July 1 2023, for everybody and move to Google Analytics 4.

    And hopefully, this vendor will do so sooner rather than later.

    If you would like to get started doing this today, then check your marketing automation systems back end, and its API’s to see if it can talk to a Google BigQuery database.

    So one of the features in Google Analytics 4, that is pretty killer, is the ability for the software to write its raw data to a BigQuery database.

    Now, BigQuery is one of Google’s cloud database systems, it is not free, there is a cost to use it, it’s pay as you go.

    And for small websites, you know, 1015 20,000 visitors a month, you’re going to spend maybe like 12, maybe $5 a month on storage usage.

    If you’ve got a site, where you’re talking millions of visitors a month, the costs are gonna rack up faster.

    But what BigQuery allows you to do is see all of your raw, unedited, unchanged Google Analytics data in a big, really big table.

    And so if your marketing automation system is able to ingest data from BigQuery, then there’s a very good chance that you’ll be able to bond the two together.

    So you will tell Google Analytics 4 Yes, write my data to this BigQuery database.

    And then you’ll tell your marketing automation software, connect to that BigQuery database, and pull the data out into your marketing automation software, one of the pieces that you’re going to need to do is turn on and link up user ID.

    So in your marketing automation software, you will have your prospect IDs, your lead IDs.

    And you will need to connect that to Google Analytics 4 to say, Okay, here’s where we’re getting these identifiable IDs, so that that data makes it into BigQuery.

    That way you can match up known identified leads from your marketing automation software with their activities in Google Analytics 4 and bond that together, you buy those tables.

    So it’s not a super easy, you know, one button and you’re done, kind of thing.

    But it is possible to do today, as long as your system supports it.

    Check with your vendor.

    There’s a obviously very good chance that the major marketing automation software packages, either already do support Google Analytics 4 integration, or are going to be announcing support for it relatively soon, ever since Google’s big announcement.

    And they obviously don’t want to be left behind.

    With a lot of what existing packages do on the market today, they will look for Google Analytics tracking codes, the UTM tracking codes and bring those directly into the marketing automation software.

    For example, Marketo does Hubspot does this part does this, where those UTM tracking codes can go in.

    So if you’re sending out at least campaign based stuff, like emails or tagged social posts and stuff, you’ll have those UTM tracking codes embedded directly into your marketing automation software.

    And UTM tracking codes function the same, mostly between Google Analytics three, Google Analytics 4.

    The major difference as of right now is that the term and content tags, I believe, don’t work yet.

    In Google Analytics 4, not as built in UTM tracking codes.

    Its source medium and campaign is what’s supported in the interface.

    Now that said, it can Google Analytics, 4 can see those other codes but they won’t show up in the interface.

    It’s only source, medium and campaign.

    So that’s the circuitous answer to This question it’s not one button but it is possible today and it will probably be more possible in the near future thanks for asking

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Making a Case for AI in Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: Making a Case for AI in Marketing?

    Ashley asks, “How can I make the case for AI in marketing?”

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    In today’s episode, Ashley asks, How can I make the case for AI and marketing? Well, here’s the this is a challenging question, here’s why it’s challenging.

    That assumes that you have a problem for which AI is the best solution.

    Right? And that means you need to understand what things AI is really good at, and what things AI is not good at.

    Right? Fundamentally, artificial intelligence is good at two types of problems, right classification problems, and regression problems for the most part.

    Now, there’s, there’s some flexibility in that, but those are the biggest, broadest categories.

    If you got a bunch of stuff that you need to categorize and classify.

    AI is actually really good at that.

    particularly things like images, audio, video, text.

    Classification, is a particularly strong area for AI to do its work.

    And regression, or which leads to prediction AI is reasonably good at things like that forecasting, trying to understand what contributes to an outcome.

    What are the drivers of an outcome? AI is pretty good at that.

    So the question is, do you have a problem for which AI would be an appropriate solution? There are a whole bunch of problems where AI is not be answer.

    For example, in some there’s some kinds of forecasting where simpler statistical methods like auto regressive integrated moving averages still deliver best in class performance, better than neural networks better than, you know, really complex regression algorithms and machine learning powered regression algorithms something sometimes, and ARIMA result is perfectly fine.

    So a major challenge for somebody who is not a data scientist is to understand which problems are suited for AI and which are not.

    If you’ve got a problem for which there is a lot of data, both for the problem itself, and for past solutions than AI is probably a good candidate, right? Say you’ve got a million pages of text, and that that have good examples and bad examples of writing.

    And you got 10,000 new pages, you need to assess are these good or bad.

    With that much data, AI is actually a really good solution.

    Because there’s enough information to train a model, which is fancy for have AI write software for itself, that it can successfully build that model, and then run it against your production data.

    AI is also really good at in general data where there are clear patterns, and clear repetition that requires scale, right.

    One of the big challenges with AI problems with just throwing a at a problem is that there may not be enough data to create that model, right? If you’re trying to say build a model to write great corporate blog posts for your company, and you’ve only got like 200 blog posts, you’re gonna have a hard time, that’s not impossible, you can take an existing model and fine tune it.

    But for the most part, that’s not enough information to really help it it build a good robust learning data set a training data set for to generate the outcomes you want.

    On the other hand, if you’re a company that you’ve got 2 million blog posts, then you’re talking, right, and now you’ve got enough to cook with, it’s kind of like, there’s a minimum amount of ingredients you need for a recipe to work, right.

    There’s some ingredients, some recipes, where if you don’t have a sufficient number of ingredients, it never reaches critical mass and it doesn’t work.

    Like you can’t really bake a loaf of bread with a quarter teaspoon of flour.

    I mean, if you scaled down all the ingredients, there’s just not enough mass there for the recipe to work properly.

    You know, the same is true for like a model cars and stuff below a certain scale size.

    An internal combustion engine simply doesn’t work.

    Well if it’s like this big.

    Right? And that’s the challenge you face with with artificial intelligence.

    So big data in means that you’ve got a good case for AI.

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    If you find a problem has no repetition, it’s a bad candidate for AI.

    Right.

    So this is one of the reasons why we all often say AI will take tasks and not jobs because your job from day to day is wildly different.

    Right? different meetings, different participants, different activities, different kinds of lunch you eat, there’s a whole bunch of these random variables.

    But within your job is a series of tasks.

    And sometimes those tasks are highly repetitive.

    And if it’s highly repetitive, then there’s an opportunity potentially to bring in some, some machine learning to pick up that individual task and automate it.

    When I am putting together my weekly newsletter, the process is exactly the same week after week and automated a substantial part of it because it’s so repetitive.

    However, there’s still a decent chunk of it that is manual that is human because that part is wildly variable.

    Things I feel like writing about that week, vary wildly from week to week.

    So do you have a case to fit to make for AI? If you have a lot of data, and it’s highly repetitive? One of the things people are thinking about is does AI or machine learning? Does? Is there a case to be made based on cost savings.

    And this is tricky, because it depends on the task.

    It depends on the task.

    And it depends on the complexity, and all the stuff that we’ve just mentioned.

    There are definitely things where it doesn’t pay for a human to do it.

    So like curating content for social feeds, right, that is a machine based task, for sure.

    It’s relatively low value, highly repetitive, big data.

    And solving for it is worthwhile, right, because you can take some, you know, two hours out of somebody’s calendar each week, and turn that into five minutes, that’s two hours back that you get that you can do something else with that time.

    On the other hand, there are some tasks where the creation of the model and the maintenance of the model would be so vast, that you’d be better off doing it manually, right? Like shooting your video each week, if I were tried to have a machine do this entire video from beginning to end, the enormity of that task and the high variability of it would be so difficult that it would take me years to make it happen.

    And it wouldn’t be worth the return on investment would be a negative.

    So that’s a major part of this question is, when you’re making a case for AI, can you make a case for a positive return on investment for its application? This is one of the reasons why Artificial intelligence has not been widely adopted by many businesses.

    Because in a lot of cases, people are treating it as this magic wand.

    And as a result, they’re not doing a simple cost benefit analysis and saying actually, this is a problem that isn’t worth solving with with machine learning.

    Better off solving with basic statistics or an Excel spreadsheet or just doing it manually.

    Yeah, real simple example I influencer identification.

    There’s a whole bunch of different ways to do it.

    But if you’re validating the feeds of influencers, and you do it once a year, it’s probably not worth automating.

    If you’re doing every day, then it’s worth automating.

    So that would be my suggestion.

    But how do you make the case for AI figure out if you’ve got an AI problem to begin with before anything else? Thanks for asking.

    We’ll talk to you soon.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Third Party Analytics for LinkedIn?

    You Ask, I Answer: Third Party Analytics for LinkedIn?

    Amoussou asks, “At what point in a content creator’s life should they use third party analytics apps for LinkedIn?”

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    In today’s episode, Musa asks, at what point in a content creators life, should they use third party analytics apps for LinkedIn? Hmm, well, it depends, most third party apps that claim to be able to access LinkedIn and do analytics on them, you’ve got to be very, very careful because a fair number of them, if you read the fine print, probably violate LinkedIn Terms of Service.

    That in turn means that if you are caught using them by LinkedIn automated detection software, your LinkedIn account can get canned, right can be deleted, you can be suspended for violation of the terms of service.

    And then you don’t have access to LinkedIn at all, especially if it’s a permanent ban, which means that they will do their best to identify you.

    And any new accounts that you create will also be prohibited from using the service.

    The question really, I think you’re getting out here is, how do you measure the impact of LinkedIn? You do have access to your own data when you post stuff, right, especially if your company page as opposed to an individual person.

    But more important, the question I would ask is, what is the outcome? What is the business goal that you’re trying to measure? Are you trying to measure brand awareness, you’re trying to measure lead generation, you’re trying to sell things outright? Generally speaking, most people are probably not going to have a business objective.

    Oh, just be popular on LinkedIn.

    Right? It’s not like Instagram where, you know, people are going to give you free blenders.

    Just for being popular, there’s generally some kind of business outcome.

    So the question is, what is that business outcome that you think being effective, and effective content creator on LinkedIn will generate? And then how do you measure that? So, for example, one of the things that I tried to do on LinkedIn is be active and interactive and talk to my community.

    But I don’t measure LinkedIn on LinkedIn, I measure LinkedIn in Google Analytics, when traffic goes to my website, because at that point, I want to see if anything that I’m doing on LinkedIn resonates enough with people that they would want to do business with me in some fashion, whether it’s signing up for my newsletter, listening to videos like this, subscribing to my YouTube channel, and most importantly, asking for help.

    From my company Trust Insights on all things analytics, and marketing consult management consulting, that’s the outcome really after is people saying, Hmm, you’ve provided enough value about this area that we now know, you’re a subject matter expert in this area.

    And the next time we have a need in that area, we know who to call.

    One of the things that you will want to take a look at is things like branded organic search, right? If you are going all in on LinkedIn, you’re just hammering the service, and it is your thing, then, not only should you see direct traffic via Google Analytics, from LinkedIn to your website, you should also see increases in branded organic search that are commensurate and timed with big hits on LinkedIn.

    So let’s say you put up a post and it goes crazy.

    And you know, 10s of 1000s of people are liking it and sharing it.

    Do you see a corresponding increase in branded organic search the number of people searching for you by name? If that you do, then you know that LinkedIn is having a downstream effect on your ability to be found, right? People know who you are, and they know to ask for you by name from the search engine of your choice.

    So should you use these third party analytics tools? Again, most of them violate the terms of service, I would personally not feel comfortable using any kind of third party tool unless it was explicitly partnered with LinkedIn.

    So for example, I use Agorapulse.

    Agorapulse is a LinkedIn partner and you could safely use their app with LinkedIn and get data and feedback and stuff about the stuff you’re putting up on LinkedIn.

    That’s totally fine.

    There’s other tools like LinkedIn helper that runs on your laptop and uses essentially a He built in browser to kind of scrape LinkedIn.

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    They’re not a LinkedIn partner.

    And the way that they’re acquiring LinkedIn data is a violation of the terms of service.

    And so if you get caught, if the automated detection algorithms find you, you could lose your LinkedIn account.

    So how important is your LinkedIn account to you? How much risk are you comfortable with? Because it’s not like gonna go to go to jail or anything? Right? This is just penalties within the service.

    So the question is, can you afford to lose your LinkedIn account? If the answer is yes, you don’t care about that much about it that much, then use as many third party apps as you want.

    Because if you get caught no big deal, right, you’re you just move on and, and you do without LinkedIn.

    On the other hand, if your LinkedIn account is extremely valuable to you, like it is a pillar of your social media marketing strategy, I would shy away from any third party tool that was not an authorized LinkedIn partner, because otherwise, you risk losing that account.

    And that would be just outright bad.

    But really good question.

    Again, if you want to focus on the impact of LinkedIn, look downstream from LinkedIn, look at what happens to traffic from LinkedIn once it goes to your website or the digital property of your choice.

    And if you see growth that is commensurate and contemporary with your LinkedIn activity, then you know LinkedIn is having an effect.

    So really good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Technology Challenges?

    You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Technology Challenges?

    Chandni asks, “What are the technology challenges that marketers face today?”

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    Johnny asks, what are the technology challenges that marketers face today? There’s so many.

    But here’s the secret.

    They’re not technology challenges, above and beyond a certain point.

    So some of the Tech Tech challenges that marketers face, the biggest one is actually data, the cleanliness and correctness and completeness of your data.

    If your data is not complete, clean and correct, then all the fancy new marketing to as technology tools will not work with it.

    It’s it’s like having bad ingredients, right? If you have the best oven in the world, and you have the best recipes, you got a super talented chef, and you bought sand instead of flour.

    You’re not making cake, or bread or anything edible, right? No, it doesn’t matter how good everything else is that the ingredients are bad, you’re out of luck.

    And so when it comes to technology challenges for marketers, more often than not, it is those ingredients that are the problem and not the technology themselves.

    If we think about the different ways to address technology, let’s use the framework that my company Trust Insights uses called a five p framework, purpose, people process platform performance.

    Anytime you’re evaluating a technology, you’re talking about the platform, one of the five pieces.

    The first question you got to ask is what is the purpose? What are you trying to do? What is the end state you’re trying to reach? If you are trying to do say, lead scoring, and you’ve got a bunch technology that has nothing to do with lead management, then you’ll have a technology challenge, you have a purpose problem, you have a complete misalignment of your technology with the intended outcome.

    So you got to be clear on your purpose first.

    Second, is your people.

    This is where most of the problems that plague marketers actually exist, it is not in the technology because technology is agnostic.

    Yes, different products have different features here and there.

    But it always comes down to the people.

    Do your people have the right skills? And more important? Do your people have the right aptitudes? And within aptitude is attitude.

    If you have people who are firmly fixed and whose response to anything new is always well, this is the way we’ve always done it, you’re doomed.

    Right, you are doomed update your LinkedIn profile, because your company’s going out of business sooner or later.

    If that’s the attitude that people have within your organization, you are in a lot of trouble.

    And again, this is not a technology challenge.

    But it impacts technology, because those same people will be the decision makers to say no, we don’t need to evaluate new technology for our CRM.

    No, we don’t need to lead.

    You know better lead scoring.

    No, we don’t need to be looking at artificial intelligence.

    Those people are the roadblocks to your progress.

    The ones who say this is the way we’ve always done it, and we’re not going to make any changes.

    You want people who have an attitude of curiosity, of perseverance, of openness, of eagerness passion about the work they’re doing.

    It doesn’t have to be obviously, you know, all consuming you want people will like working 18 hour days, but they should like what they do.

    Your next area is process, what processes do you have in place to leverage your technology? Are you still having the intern copy paste eight hours a day? To get data ready for your technology platform? If you do, you’ve got a process problem.

    And it could be solved in some cases by technology.

    But it’s really a process problem.

    Then you get to the platform itself, the technologies what technologies are using and are they the right fit for the problem you’re trying to solve? This is particularly troublesome in data science.

    When are we talking about data engineering and data storage? How is your data being stored what formats what engines are being used to store that data? It is.

    It is not a technology problem.

    It is a sometimes sometimes a vendor selection problem, but is almost always a requirements problem.

    You didn’t document what you needed to get the work done that you needed to have done and so you bought some technology that then does not fit the purpose? Same as buying a car, right? You wanted the sports car, because it looks cool.

    But you needed the station wagon to haul crap around.

    You can’t fit more like more than a hat in the trunk of a sports car.

    Right? What you really needed, right? It probably was a pickup truck.

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    And that’s a failure of requirements.

    There’s nothing wrong with the technology, right? The sports car is designed to be a sports car, the pickup is designed to be a pickup, what went wrong was the requirements gathering and said, I need to to look cool, okay.

    But I also need to haul, you know, half a ton of stone around every now and again, you’re not doing that in a sports car.

    And finally, horses measurement.

    Performance, is the technology the people in the processes you have doing what you intended, are you achieving your purpose? And again, this is something that marketers don’t measure well, and as a result, they don’t necessarily deliver very well on you got to do that.

    Right? You’ve got to be able to dig in and say, yes, we’ve met our goals, no, we’ve not met our goals, we are 60% of the way to our goals, and so on and so forth.

    So be very careful is my my watch would here be very, very careful with what you deem a technology problem because a lot of the cases it’s not a technology problem.

    Even though every tech vendor would like to convinced you that it is so that you buy their stuff.

    It 90 ish percent of the time is going to be a people problem or process problem.

    If you fix that.

    You may find that the technology you have can be coerced into doing what you want.

    Or at worst, you have a good solid business case for why you need to change technologies once you fully understand the scope of the problem you’re trying to address.

    So really good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: GDPR and Email Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: GDPR and Email Marketing?

    Noreen asks, “I am ramping up emails in EU, and am looking for current best practices in terms of emailing with respect to the GDPR rules. Do you use outside services to warm up your cold leads so they are compliant with GDPR?”

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    In today’s episode Norine s, I am ramping up emails in the EU and I am looking for current best practices in terms of emailing with respect to GDPR rules.

    Do any of you folks use outside services to warm up your cold leads? So they are compliant with GDPR? You can’t you can’t do that.

    GDPR, which is the general data protection regulation in the EU passed in 2018, all enacted into law became operable in 2018.

    Explicitly forbids this exact thing.

    You cannot email, a cold list of leads, you can’t.

    Because you don’t have consent.

    And more importantly, you don’t have consent for marketing purposes.

    Right? That is what GDPR really focuses in on is do you not just have blanket consent, but do you have consent for the individual purposes.

    So if you collect data for sales purposes, and you’ve gotten permission from the user to do that, you cannot use it for marketing purposes.

    Just like if you collect data for customer service purposes, you cannot use it for marketing purposes, you have to ask for that consent separately.

    And if you don’t follow the rules, the fees, the fines, and the penalties are really, really bad and really, really strict.

    We’re talking millions of dollars potentially in fines far more far beyond what anything in the United States has for unsolicited for improper use of data.

    So suppose you have a list of email addresses, what can you do with it in and still be compliant with GDPR.

    much about the only thing you could do is hash it, which means encrypt it, and then load the encrypted version into a system of advertising that allows you to send retargeted ads towards those individuals asking them to opt in or asking them you know, basically advertising like your newsletter, or what have you.

    And even that, you’d want to ask a lawyer, if you’re allowed to do that, right? Because under the law, if you have somebody’s personal information, and they didn’t give you consent for it, I’m not sure you can even use it for that, again, check with a lawyer, I am not a lawyer.

    This is not a lawyer here in any way, shape, or form.

    Honestly, the safest thing to do would be to take that list of cold leads and shred it, right or hit the delete key and make it go away.

    So that you are not in possession of information you should not have, and you’re not tempted to use it.

    So what do you do instead? How do you build and grow a marketing list that is GDPR compliant.

    Ads, right? run ads in the target market, not using personal information just using aggregated demographics, or firma graphics or whatever, advertising your stuff.

    Do any normal inbound marketing, right? So create great content that people in the EU can find and subscribe to your stuff, make a podcast, make videos on YouTube and all the inbound methods where a person comes to you and proactively and voluntarily gives you consent to use your information for marketing data that is okay that will pass muster in the EU, in China in California and all the places where we’re data privacy regulation exists and is stringent.

    Inbound Marketing, a permission based marketing is the easiest, simplest and legally strongest way of doing your marketing.

    Again, run ads to ads are a little bit more outbound.

    But again, if you’re using a system like Google ads or YouTube ads or whatever, and you’re not retargeting based on data that you shouldn’t have you just using general advertising targeting get that’s totally fine.

    There are no legal issues with doing broad based awareness based advertising to big market segments, right.

    So you’re targeting business owners or you’re targeting people Between the ages of 45 and 54, or you’re targeting people in the country of Belgium, all that totally cool, legally compliant, and will not get you into trouble.

    One of the things to be careful of,

    Christopher Penn 5:16

    and I think this is relevant given the nature of the question is that, before you do any of these campaigns, go to your website, and make sure that all of your forms and data collection are compliant, right? Have your legal team or your legal counsel or your your law firm or whoever review at all, review your privacy policies and things like that, to make them GDPR compliant.

    They should be already like GDPR has been in effect since 2018.

    So if you’re doing business in the EU, and you’re not compliant, you are playing, you’re playing Russian roulette with a semi automatic, which if you don’t know, those are not as relevant anyway, it’s a bad idea, right? You want to make sure that if you were doing business in the EU, if you are illegal entity that does business with it, the people who are within the EU.

    And by the way, that applies to everybody within the physical borders, not just EU citizens.

    So if you’re an American, who is in Paris, while you are in Paris, you are subject to the rules of GDPR.

    Because you are on European territory.

    And so for that time GDPR applies to you.

    So a company emailing you, and they didn’t have your consent to send you marketing email, if you get that email while you’re in Paris, you could press charges against that company.

    So go through and make sure that all of your website, all your data collection techniques are all compliant, to make sure that you’re not going to be massively illegally exposed.

    Within within the EU and by the way, within China, and especially after 2023 In California, in the United States because California CPRA.

    Regulations take effect January 120 23.

    And they are much more stringent than the CCPA registered legislation that is in effect now and took effect I believe in 2020.

    So good question.

    Take any information that you do not have consent for and toss it.

    It is it is radioactive.

    Just throw it away.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Bounce Rate and Blog Content

    You Ask, I Answer: Bounce Rate and Blog Content

    Molly asks, “What does bounce rate REALLY mean when it comes to blog content?”

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    Today, Molly asks, What does bounce rate really mean when it comes to blog content.

    So we should probably clarify what bounce rate is, period.

    A bounce is when somebody comes into your website, lands on a page, and then leaves, they literally blink, bounce in and out.

    From a technical perspective, and this is where it gets messy.

    A tool, for example, a Google Analytics count something as a bounce, if a user comes in, does nothing, you know, goes to one page does nothing and leaves, the does nothing part is really critical.

    Because if the user does something that fires an event of some kind, then it’s no longer a bounce, because they did something, they didn’t just come to the page and then leave.

    So for example, if you have scroll depth tracking turned on, where you have people tracking, like, come to the page, and then how far down the page they scroll.

    Every time somebody scrolls a little further, it’s firing an event, you know, 10% of the page, 20% of the page, 30% of the page, and so on and so forth.

    The challenge with all of these UI measurement tools, because they’re really important, they’re really good, and you should absolutely have them turned on is that they fire events.

    And once an event is fired, that’s no longer a bounce.

    Right? So at that point, it stops being about so you may turn on something like scrolled up tracking and see your bounce rate goes to like 80%, down 2%.

    Because, again, those events are firing now, when a user interacts with your website.

    So what does it mean? In general, it means that the user came in, did something and then left.

    And that’s all we know, from a bounce, just by itself.

    We don’t know whether the user found what they were looking for what they didn’t, we don’t know if they’re happy or sad, we don’t know anything about this user other than in single piece of content out.

    Now, you may combine this with something like time on page, for example, if your bounce rate is high, and your title on pages, two seconds, right, and there’s 1000 words on the page, then you can start to know, okay, this page didn’t really satisfy the user, right? Because it should have taken them at least, at least three minutes to read that much text, right, if not longer.

    And if it’s two seconds, they didn’t read anything.

    And so a high bounce rate combined with a metric, like time on page is more indicative of the user experience.

    Now, when it comes to different types of content on your website, that’s where bounce rate starts to get interesting and useful.

    Right? When somebody goes to your blog, you know, you share a post on on Facebook or YouTube or whatever.

    And somebody comes to your blog, they read your content, and then they leave.

    Is that a bad thing? No, it’s not a bad thing, right? Think about what you’re doing right now.

    You’re watching this video, you’re reading the text.

    For this post, I’ve put up on my website, you come in, you read the thing, and then go back to what you were doing.

    Yes, scrolling through Facebook, or Tiktok, or whatever the case may be.

    That’s not bad.

    I’m not mad that you came in, got what you wanted and left.

    And so a bounce rate on something like informational content isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

    Where bounce rate matters, is when you’re looking at action oriented content.

    So they say you’re on my newsletter subscription page, you come in, you see the form, and you don’t fill it out a leave.

    That’s bad.

    Because you didn’t do what the intended action was, which was subscribed to the newsletter.

    And so bounce rate is one of those metrics that is very situational that is very context driven.

    And is something that we have to be very careful in interpreting, we certainly don’t want to roll it up into one big number and say, you know, our website’s overall bounce rate is 50%.

    So I don’t care if the whole website bounces, I do care about form pages, or contact pages or the customer chat window or whatever the case may be those I care about having low bounce rates on because I want you to do the thing on informational content.

    I don’t really care.

    So one of the things I think is critical to do in your own analytics is be a little be a little specific in how you report on bounce rate and say informational versus action oriented content, what is the bounce rate on each.

    If your informational content bounces 80%, fine.

    If your action oriented content bounces at 80%, you’ve got a problem, right.

    And that’s something that you need to fix up.

    You can even take it a step further, if you know there are specific kinds of actions people you want people to take.

    One is, say sign up for a newsletter, the other is register for a webinar, the other is buy, you know this thing with your credit card, you should absolutely be comparing the bounce rates of those different types of actual into content to see, which has the highest bounce rate, and be looking to try and reduce it on the most critical pages, the pages that generate the most revenue for you.

    So that’s what bounce rate really means.

    When it comes to blog content or any other kind of content.

    It is a measure of whether somebody came in did the thing left.

    And by itself is not very informative.

    When you combine it with additional metrics like time on page or the context of the page, or the importance of the page, that’s when bounce rate starts to be helpful.

    So really good question.

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  • Stop Using Artificial Intelligence For Human Intelligence Problems

    Stop Using Artificial Intelligence For Human Intelligence Problems

    One of the most challenging concepts to understand in machine learning and AI is machines and humans don’t think in the same way. We make the general assumption that artificial intelligence and natural intelligence function in the same way, that machines are just faster, less expensive versions of ourselves.

    In reality, our two intelligences are very, very different – and our understanding of those differences will make it easier or harder to successfully implement AI.

    Human intelligence is based on massive parallel processing. Your brain is filled with trillions of brain cells, and all joking aside, is one of the most powerful computers in existence. But the way our brains compute is fundamentally different than our silicon offspring. Our brains actually process very slowly for the most part; the nerves, chemicals, and electrical impulses in our brains individually transmit very slowly but do so in vast quantities.

    Silicon intelligence – machine intelligence – is today based on extremely fast serial processing. The largest computers have millions of processors available to them; your average laptop today has 4 or 8 processors. Those processors process information extremely quickly in binary format, turning everything into zeroes and ones.

    Imagine you have a factory, and that factory makes widgets. There are two ways to increase productivity at the factory. You can have a few workers who are extremely fast at their jobs, or you can have thousands of workers who are individually slow but extremely fast as a collective. That’s the difference between machine and human processing capabilities.

    Here’s why this matters: the kinds of problems you can solve with each type of intelligence are based on what that intelligence is good at. Computers? They can do math extremely fast, much faster than we can, because they have a few brain cells (comparatively) that are very, very fast. Math, statistics, probability, all kinds of computation – they are faster than we ever will be. But tasks that require massive parallel processing? Computers do those very slowly by comparison – and those are tasks like language, vision, hearing, etc.

    In other words, our brains are best equipped to deal with the inputs they receive from our sensory apparatus – taste, touch, smell, sound, sight. That’s not news to anyone, but when we look at the kinds of problems we try to solve with AI, the closer a problem is to a problem human intelligence excels at, the more challenging the problem will be for AI. Vision, for example, requires MASSIVE parallel processing to be able to take in all the data that makes up sight, process it, and derive meaning from it – but our brains do it easily because we devote substantial numbers of brain cells to the task.

    Conversely, the closer a problem is to what silicon intelligence excels at – computation – the more challenging the problem will be for a human. You probably can’t do fourth order derivative equations or multiple regression analysis in your head for complex problems, but machines can. Those kinds of problems are easy to distill down into zeroes and ones and crunch at insane speeds.

    Which means, as you start thinking about the implementation of AI, break down your business challenges into components and then see which category each of those components falls into. For example, if you want to boost sales, you have an entire pipeline of components – how sales reps talk to customers. How your marketing is received by customers. How your lead scoring and CRM are managed. How you forecast demand.

    Some of those components are well-suited to machines and shouldn’t be left in the hands of humans.

    Some of those components are well-suited to humans and shouldn’t be left in the hands of machines.

    This means that any company, product, or service which promises “all-inclusive” AI-powered software that will solve all your problems and be magic… won’t. By very definition, it’s going to be bad at some things, and good at others.

    If you want to see fast wins from your AI efforts, focus on those tasks that computer intelligence excels at, and start your implementation there first – then move up to the tasks that computers find harder to do well.

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