Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • 2020 Rewind: Marketing and Machine Learning

    2020 Rewind: Marketing and Machine Learning

    Welcome to 2020 Rewind! In this series, we’re taking a look at the year that was and the wonderful shows and podcasts that had me on as a guest this past year. A fair amount of the time, I’d rather read than listen, but podcasts, live streams, webinars, and videos were how we made media this year. So let’s get the best of both worlds; 2020 Rewind will share the original episode and show it aired on, and provide you with a machine-generated transcript from the episode.

    2020 Rewind: Marketing and Machine Learning with Kerry Guard and the MKG Podcast

    Summary: Data is an ingredient, not an outcome. Identify what numbers and metrics have meaning to you. Focus on the KPIs that will get you a bonus or fired.

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    Kerry Guard 0:07
    Hello, and welcome to the mkg podcast. This podcast helps marketers grow their businesses using the four M’s. The right means messaging, media and measurement. I’m your host Carrie garden to help introduce today’s guest. I have our analytics expert, Spencer Mays. Spencer, thank you for joining me.

    Kerry Guard 0:24
    Thank you.

    Kerry Guard 0:26
    Spencer, we send clients weekly reports. But we do analysis monthly over a month and quarter over quarter. Is that is that accurate?

    Kerry Guard 0:39
    Yes, that’s correct. For all clients, we kind of have a deep dive into monthly and quarterly reports that are direct contacts and send up the chain to the people above them who kind of want to see how the marketing is performing.

    Kerry Guard 0:55
    Yeah, and when you’re reading those, those, you know, the weekly reports just go out automatically just say, you know, here’s what’s up. But from a monthly and quarterly standpoint, when you’re reading those deeper reports, you know, what questions? Are you asking of our experts who are running the campaigns and our clients who are expecting performance?

    Kerry Guard 1:16
    Yeah. So in terms of asking our experts kind of some questions about performance, I kind of look at an ask what efforts took place in the past past month, or quarter, and what changed in terms of strategy or optimization. For example, PPC budgets changed for SEO or any algorithm changes that might have impacted SEO, did a spend shift happen to from one campaign to another and PPC, just any type of changes that might have happened and impacted? performance?

    Kerry Guard 1:51
    Yeah, changes kind of a big deal. And, and, you know, in looking at change, sometimes you have to dig deeper in the data. And sometimes the data gets a bit overwhelming, and a bit much, and the rows and rows and the columns and columns, when you’re looking at raw data, definitely. And so our expert today actually talks about how to cut through all that data using AI, and machine learning, which was sort of this mind boggling thing to me. So Christopher Penn, co founder and data scientist at Trust Insights, helps brands answer these questions around using machine learning and AI with the help of IBM Watson. And if your listeners if you’re feeling as thoroughly confused, and overwhelmed as I, as I am, don’t worry, Chris does. Christopher does a great job of walking us through how this technology really can impact your campaigns, what he’s looking for, what questions he asks, and how he really helps to know what’s driving your performance. So let’s take a listen. Chris, thank you for joining me on the mkg podcast.

    Christopher Penn 3:16
    Thank you for having me.

    Kerry Guard 3:18
    So excited to have you and I’ve been following your podcasts for a long time now. But why don’t you for the people who may not have Why don’t you tell us about yourself and what you do and how you got there?

    Christopher Penn 3:27
    Sure. My name is Christopher Penn. I’m chief data scientist and co founder at Trust insights.ai. We’re a data detective agency, if you will, for marketers who have data mysteries, they need to be solved. I’ve been doing analytics and data really since the mid 2000s when I was at a student loan company, and it was one of the first digital companies trying to figure out how do you make money on the internet kind of thing. And it was way even way back then there was a strong emphasis on measurement on what’s working? And can we do more of what works and less of what doesn’t work? So that has been the story for me since you know, less 15 years?

    Kerry Guard 4:08
    Well, and you specifically have morphed from, you know, data has come a long way and how we measure data certainly come a long way. And you’re I feel like, correct me if I’m wrong, because I’m not in the exact same space you are. But I feel like you’re on the cutting edge of data from a machine learning AI sort of standpoint. Can you tell us more about how you got specifically there? Because I feel like it’s probably been quite the journey.

    Christopher Penn 4:35
    It’s an accidental journey. It’s It’s funny, one of the things I tell people that they are usually astonished to hear is about like in college, I failed statistics like actually everybody in college in my class failed statistics because we had a teacher who was a phenomenal researcher, amazing academic, you know, widely published tons of awards, couldn’t teach to save his life. And so, we all just miserably failed because he you You start in a class and he’s automatically goes right into the deep end, you’re like, Whoa, this roller coaster just, you know, it was even going up the hill just real quick, just immediately or straight down. But a lot of this stuff really starts with your basic analytics, whether it’s sales, analytics, marketing analytics, you have data, its data is like an ingredient, right? And you’re like, Okay, what am I going to make of this? What do I do with this stuff? And my own journey, went from the finance industry into email marketing for a few years, then worked at a public relations agency for five years. And throughout at all, that question people always come up with is, well, what’s working? Right? What should we be spending more money on? What should be? What should we be doing less of? And the nice thing is that in marketing and in sales, there are no shortage of good data sources, as long as you’ve got them configured properly, that you can answer those questions with. It’s more a question of, do you know what questions to ask of the data and do know how to get answers out of it. One of the challenges we have in marketing is that we are swimming drowning in data really, and we’re not getting answers out of it, we’re not getting actions out of it. And that really has been sort of my my personal Hilda plan to flag on for the last couple years is just say, it’s great that you’ve got data. And we can use all these technologies, from basic statistics to data science to machine learning and artificial intelligence. But at the end of the day, if you don’t make a decision, if you don’t change what you do, or do more of something, then all of it’s pointless, right? One of the things we’d love to say, in Keynote talks that I give is analytics without action is a recipe you’re cooking, you never eat. Right? It’s it’s exactly that, what are you going to do with the insights you’ve gathered?

    Kerry Guard 6:49
    I love that. And I couldn’t agree more to have the fact that as marketers, we are absolutely drowning in data. There’s almost too much of it. And so in knowing that there’s too much data, you you mentioned asking the right questions, do you, you know, specifically for me to be especially as specifically for those demand? Gen. Marketers, do you have some examples of what those questions could be?

    Christopher Penn 7:13
    Absolutely. Number one is what’s working right? What’s what do we get it? What What is getting us results? And that’s where I think everybody needs to start? Well actually take a step back, what’s the goal? So one of the things that marketers in particular are sometimes struggle with is that they don’t have a line of sight to business impact. They, you know, you’ll see this in channels like social media, like people like, Hey, here’s all our social media engagement. Great. What does this do for the business like this make us any money? The way I often coach people is to say, what numbers that what metrics you have access to, will you be fired for? And people like, uh, I don’t know, like, Okay, then then your job may not be safe. You don’t know that answer, right? Whereas, when you talk to like a sales professional, what number five for, like, my closing rate goes below? x, right? They say like, yep, I need to close X number of revenue or X number of deals. Every quarter, I gotta hit my quota. And it’s very clear to them, this is the number that you are measured on and you get your, your bonus that can buy a Ferrari or you get, you know, the you get the the non Glengarry leads if you do that. And so, for marketers, the question is, what number you held accountable for if you’re in demand generation? Are you putting leads on the scoreboard? Right? Are you putting shopping carts on the website? Are you putting feet in the door? What is it that you do that has a direct line of sight to a business impact? And then from there, you start asking questions like, okay, so I know, you know, lead generation is my thing. What metrics and numbers? Do I have that feed into lead generation who is responsible for those particularly bigger organizations? And you take another step? And it’s okay. If it say it’s returning users to the website, okay, what causes returning users to the website and find out maybe it’s, you know, tweets on Tuesday that you’re a poop emoji? Who knows? And see, okay, well, what causes that and what you end up with is what we call KPI mapping, where you’ve mapped out the metrics that are relevant and important and deliver impact. And then you ask questions, those what makes us number go up, what makes us number go down? What else has relationship with this number that we could test? And once you have that, it becomes much easier to focus as a marketer on here’s what is really important, because we know it has a direct connection to business impact.

    Kerry Guard 9:49
    You mentioned a couple metrics that obviously I’ve heard of leads, I think returning visitors is really interesting, and I don’t know that that’s looked at quite enough and I just got off a podcast to somebody else. Who mentioned the same thing being really important. Do you have any other metrics, you know, that you think people should be considering? in that sort of combination of importance when let’s, I mean, I, I know that this could be so different depending on what your business is, but it’s specifically for my audience and demand Gen marketers do you know, what other metrics Do you find are important in knowing that you’re garnering enough leads in your business? Because it’s not just leads to your point?

    Christopher Penn 10:34
    The answer to that, again, you said it best, it varies wildly from business to business. So there are hundreds and hundreds of metrics you could be measuring. I’ll give you an example. If you’re familiar with Google Analytics, out of curiosity, how many dimensions and metrics are there available in Google Analytics, you want to take a wild guess?

    Kerry Guard 10:54
    At least hundreds if not 1000s.

    Christopher Penn 10:57
    Okay, you’re right on the first go, it’s 510. There are 510 different discrete things you can measure in Google Analytics. And of those, for any given company, probably five of them are going to really matter, but they’re going to be different five. Same is true for social media. When you export your, you know, Facebook page data, you get a spreadsheet with 28 tabs, and you know, 50 columns, a tab like come on. But you have to be able to analyze that alongside all the other stuff you have. And this is channel by channel. So when we add, we work with people to help them figure out what matters very often we end up having to use the advanced tools, do data science tools, machine learning tools to figure that out. What you end up doing is you end up putting sort of all of it into the equivalent of a gigantic spreadsheet by by day. And then you have some outcome on the on the end that you care about whether it is leads, whether it is contact form fills whatever the outcome that you’re measured on. And then you load it into a system like IBM Watson Studio, for example. And their Auto AI capability. And you say to Watson, hey, I care about leads, why don’t you do the math, and mix and match every single possible combination of column in the spreadsheet, and tell me what ones have a mathematical relationship, a correlation to the outcome I care about this is something called multiple regression subset analysis. Watson does this thing and it can take you know, five minutes to five hours depending on how much stuff you throw into it, and eventually comes out and says, Hey, here’s the five things I think, are relevant. Or it says I couldn’t find anything that was relevant, you need to find some different data. And if you get those, you know, three or four or five things, then you have a testing plan. You guys say these things have a correlation. Now we need to prove causation. Because everyone who didn’t take stats one on one, or in my case, didn’t fail stats, one on one knows that correlation and causation are not the same thing. You know, the textbook example is ice cream consumption and drowning deaths are highly correlated. But it would be fallacy to say ice cream causes drowning it doesn’t what causes both cases is a rise in temperature, people go swimming more when it’s hot, ice cream was hot. So the when you do this type of mathematical analysis, maybe you find out that you know, number of emails opened or number of tweets clicked on has a correlation, you then have to go and try and stimulate more of that behavior. So that you can see did if we got 15% more tweets with poop emojis and right did we see 15% more increase a commensurate increase in the outcome we care about? That’s the method for determining what metrics matters. And it varies per business. It varies by time to what worked a year ago, may not work. Now. You know, every marketer in the world knows the joy of dealing with Google search algorithm changes, Facebook newsfeed algorithm changes, so much fun that you have to run these tests fairly often to see if what held true in the past holds true now.

    Kerry Guard 14:09
    So I don’t know about MB IBM Watson Studio. I don’t know that many people might in my seat do so or our listeners? Can you? Is this relatively easy to sign up for and set up? Do you need an expert? Can you sort of walk me through how you even get started with this thing?

    Christopher Penn 14:29
    Sure. So full disclosure, my company is an IBM Business Partner FTC regulations, blah, blah, blah. If you buy something through us, we gain financial benefit. Okay. Watson Studio is sort of a pay as you go. piece of software on the web, and you can get a free account. You get like 50 hours a month to have building time within it.

    Kerry Guard 14:51
    And is it easy?

    Christopher Penn 14:55
    That is it. This is one of the challenges I have in my world. This is one of the reasons why We’re a consulting company and not a software company. There’s so many varying levels of skill. I think it’s easy. But I also write around code. most marketers don’t. I think, you know, some of the conclusions that Watson Studio come up comes out with, those are not easy to interpret those you do need some guidance with because it will spit out, it’ll say, you know, this has an RMSE score of point 258. And, or this as an area under the ROC curve of this. And, you know, here’s the four measures and the feature importance and all this technological mumbo jumbo that if you’re not versed in it, you feel inclined to say, Okay, I guess this is right. So at that part does need some guidance, getting the actual data into it and doing it that part is easy, just load the Excel spreadsheet and, and let it do its thing. But interpreting the results is tough. And the harder part, believe it or not, is actually getting the data together in the first place. Because, again, as we all know, in marketing, Facebook, and Google don’t play together, and you have your social media posting software, and you have your SEO Software, and all these different tools are creating so much data, but none of it is intended to play well each other, none of it is unified. And so the bigger export is different, every export is different different date formats, you know, America is the weirdest country. In the world, we’re the only country that uses month, day year, for a date format everyone else’s day, month, year, or year, month day. So if you’re working with some certain software vendors like that are overseas guess what they are in the what the rest of the planet uses. So you have to even adapt to that. So the hardest part really is that data preparation and cleaning, to get it ready for analysis that I find that typically takes like 80 to 90% of the time on a project is just getting all the stuff together and making sure it works.

    Kerry Guard 16:50
    And how getting all the data together certainly an undertaking to say the least. But then you’re talking about having a look at this data all the time. So how do you might be jumping the gun here? And there’s like, a million questions in between these two steps. But how do you then keep it up to date so that you can look at it on a regular basis? Because you can’t go add more data every single time? Or do you have to do you have to go add data every single time gonna pull this thing? Or is there a way to connect all these dots,

    Christopher Penn 17:23
    there is a way to connect all these dots. And that requires either you’ll be able to write code against all the different systems that you interact with, or paying a vendor to that has connectors, some of some people will be familiar with things like If This Then That or Zapier or a number of these services. But regardless, something has to get the data and put it in. And then you know, build your models and things as as frequently as you need it. Now, the good news is for a lot of companies, when we ask when they asked like how often should we do this, we ask how often do you prepare to make decisions to change, you know, major strategic initiatives? They’ll say, Well, you know, quarterly at best, and so you don’t necessarily need to be running this every single day. There’s very few companies that are that finely tuned. Most of the time, it’s, you know, monthly quarterly, maybe, you know, some companies like we just want to do this as part of our annual planning and which is fine. I think it depends on what the needs are and again, what you’re willing to use, because if you do this, and then you don’t use the data, you didn’t need to use this.

    Kerry Guard 18:23
    Yeah, it’s pretty worthless. Yeah. And you mentioned seasonality, too. So it does sound like quarterly is probably a really good, really good opportunity to, to scrub the data and get it loaded up and check out that you’re on the right path. And your plan hasn’t changed, our foot has to make those changes and tweaks. So in your experience than in and how you analyze the data, you mentioned some number systems. But at the end of the day, you said you’re basically looking for what data points you should be looking at, essentially, right? And so once you know those data points, where do you go from there? Do you then go and check your your systems that are not sort of tied together, you go check Google Analytics to check Facebook, whatever the case may be to then make day to day decisions? What’s sort of the next step once you have that data?

    Christopher Penn 19:15
    So that’s a really good question. There’s two paths you have to walk the first is yes, doing that and additional investigation, we were talking about KPI mapping earlier, you do the KPI mapping on those specific pieces of information. Like if it says, you know, tweets on Tuesdays, okay, now you know where to go and what system to look at to do some more digging what happens on Tuesdays? What words what language, what images do we use on Tuesdays that seem to deliver that result as an example. So there is that first branch of deeper investigation, and the second branch is to go into something like dashboarding software like Google Data Studio, and monitor those, you know, three or four or five numbers that seem to matter the most, keep an eye on them, and that’s where you change from that, you know, big quarterly research project, here’s the five numbers that belong in a dashboard that you should make your homepage on your browser. So that you go Ah, hmm, something’s down there today. Well, that’s that’s up on usually there today, in the same way that a lot of you know, I take a lot of lessons from financial services. When you look at what really proficient stock traders have. They don’t have a massive like, airplane cockpit of of everything, they have a few things they really pay attention to, that when the number one of the numbers goes haywire, you’re like, Oh, that’s interesting. I have not seen that recently. And then they know something’s up. There’s a measure, for example, that the Chicago Board of exchange publishes called the VIX the volatility index, that in the stock market world, indicates, you know, the market is afraid. You saw a huge spike in 2008 2009, when Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers collapse that ushered in the Great Recession. And people who are watching that number. As soon as it went from you, it normally hovers in the teens. And then one day it went to 30. And then 40, and 50, you’re like, oh, something’s going on. And, again, that’s an indicator that as a, as a business person in that profession, you were like, Okay, I’m going to hit the sell button on my stuff and get out before people lose their their stuff. And if you did that, at that time, you would have preserved a lot of money that would have later been lost. And you could have gone in and bought stuff on a fire sale, the same thing can be done in marketing, you could set up these different types of measures, you create them for your business to them, so that they go on that dashboard. And then you look at and go, Hmm, something’s up there, I need to look at it. There’s a measure for financial services from stock trading, called the moving average convergence, divergence indicator. And what that means when you deconstruct it is, what’s the seven day average of a number? What’s the 30 day average of a number? And how far apart are they? If your short term average goes below your long term average, that means you’re losing ground. And the reverse is also true. So if you set that up on like your Google Analytics, or your lead generation, or your CRM, or whatever the case may be, and you have that number running, and you saw those things starting to converge, like, Hey, guys, we’re losing momentum, you know, spend more money on ads, or, or go to more events, or, you know, rap more buses, whatever the action is, you would take from that particular metric, you would then be able to say, I see this coming, and I’m going to intercept it and prevent a problem, rather than having to reactively deal with a problem.

    Kerry Guard 22:24
    And looking at that data, I know, again, we talked about how this depends, you know, business to business. In talking about lead gen, it’s not necessarily is it? Is it necessarily deep down in the funnel, where you want that metric to be? Or is it more top of the funnel metrics, where you want to be looking at that, you know, where that line sort of cross and catching something sooner than later.

    Christopher Penn 22:50
    It depends on what the analysis that that multiple regression analysis comes up with, there’s a good chance that, you know, depending on the outcome you’re looking at, that’s gonna there’s gonna be a handful of metrics throughout the funnel. That said, it’s not a bad idea to have like, maybe have one KPI at each level of your operations fund and say, like, Hey, we need to pay attention to this from, you know, how many newer returning users on the website? How many email subscriptions do we have? How many lead form fills to how many open deals? If you have one KPI at each level, you can then have you know, three or four or five monitors running that go, okay, something’s something’s up. And we saw this recently with a client where the top of the funnel was good, the middle of funnels, okay. But there was a stage between the middle and the bottom of the funnel where that it just fell off a cliff for like, what, what is going on there? This is not normal behavior. And when they dug in, like, oh, there’s a problem on the website that, you know, people on a mobile phone can’t see this page at all, like, well, if you wonder why your leads are down that because you’re basically you flip the bird, every mobile user having Oh, by the way, 70% of your traffic is mobile. So it’s things like that, that really do help you diagnose operations, wise, what’s going on with your marketing.

    Kerry Guard 24:06
    And so you drop all this data into IBM, you get this output of what metrics are working, you dig in further to see, okay, where you know, these, this is what they’re saying, but why are they saying these metrics? Okay, here are the things that are working, and then you put an act, it sounds like you put this plan in place to then go execute on those metrics, followed by setting up dashboards to be able to monitor that data on a regular basis. Did I?

    Christopher Penn 24:37
    Yeah, that’s exactly it.

    Kerry Guard 24:39
    It sounds easy.

    Christopher Penn 24:42
    It’s straightforward, but we always say simple is not easy.

    Kerry Guard 24:46
    That’s true. That’s so true. And so the first step in all of this is basically to go collect the data and do you recommend warehouse you recommended Excel you mentioned excel sheet and I guess it depends on how much much data you’re looking at. But yes, variance.

    Christopher Penn 25:04
    But the first step is is the strategy of the outcome like, what are we doing? Why are we doing it? And then yes, the data. And it again, as exactly as you said, it depends on your level of sophistication, what tools you have access to what capabilities, what skills knowledge you have, for some people, and some companies like, Oh, yeah, just dump it to a BigQuery table? And we’ll do you use BigQuery ml to do all the analysis, you know, what companies are deep in that ecosystem? For other companies, it may be got, like five spreadsheets here, you know, can we get them, you know, mush them into one and then feed that to Watson. So it will depend on your capabilities and what data you have access to.

    Kerry Guard 25:42
    Got it? And, and so I’m just trying to figure out like, if I was just saying, Where would I even start? And I and I think that I could get the Excel sheet done? No problem. I agree, it would take time. I’m assuming Watson has a template that they want you to, you know, what columns to follow, as most of these tools generally do? Or do you need to know that off? Do you need to know that?

    Christopher Penn 26:08
    Yeah, you need to know in advance what is you want to measure against? That’s called your response variable.

    Kerry Guard 26:13
    Okay. Okay. And so in this case, let’s assume leads. And so you have the response variable, so are you just, I’m sorry, getting in the weeds here. So feel fine, pull it back up. I’m just trying to think of like, what that first step, if people gonna come off this conduct, I wouldn’t do this. So like, they, let’s assume that they know their business relatively well, and they know what they should know what metric they need to be looking at in order to not get fired. And so what is sort of like, other than calling a vendor, which was probably going to be a step at some point, you know, what’s that first step they can, you know, get started with so when they do call that vendor, they are ready to go.

    Christopher Penn 26:57
    Um, I think some of the some of the needs some training to some some knowledge building on on, if you’re not going to be handing the whole thing over to a vendor saying, just deal with it, then you’re gonna need a knowledge base of your own as to what technologies what techniques, there’s a really fantastic whole online school totally free of cost from IBM called cognitive class, if you go to cognitive class.ai. You can take course after course, in a while that this, the data science work that you need the fundamentals to begin to understand this. And I think for people who want to grow these skills inside themselves, that’s a great place to start. It’s a it’s from a credible institution, B, it costs you $0 just takes your time. Because you want to have a sense to know the lay of the land, you want to be able to at least talk some of the shop talk, even if you’re working with a vendor just to understand what it is that vendor is doing. Or if or when you’re evaluating a software package like well, the software package even do what it is we expected to do. There is a tremendous amount of old called snake oil, because a lot of the products do eventually work. But there’s a tremendous amount of misinformation in the marketing technology space around data science and machine learning and stuff. And every vendor and their cousin slapping the AI label on all their products. And like, this is really the problem we’re trying to solve. need this particular solution, particularly since a lot of vendors, once they put the AI label on they added zero to the price tag. It comes down to do you have the knowledge to build asks the great questions needed to have the data of the method and of the partners you’re working with.

    Kerry Guard 28:45
    And so starting with gaining the knowledge is is definitely a great first step. And I would agree with when you’re vetting any vendor, you should know what they’re talking about. And if you don’t ask a lot of questions, really understand what it is they’re talking about, and make sure that they’re not sort of pulling one over on you.

    Christopher Penn 29:04
    Yeah. My secret. My secret tip is this. Talk to an engineer, but make the salesperson leave the room. Engineers are ruthlessly honest, like, No, we don’t do that. I’m a sales guy. No, I mean, yeah, we can we can do anything. If you pay us enough. Engineers, like you can’t that’s not even that’s not even a thing that’s not real. You know, you may have to buy them some beer, but

    Kerry Guard 29:32
    I love that go have a drink or coffee date with a developer on the end of the tool. That’s awesome. Okay, well, I think we have our marching orders in terms of getting started with understanding first you got to understand what data is you want to be looking at. And it comes down to what matters the most in terms of knowing that you’re driving the most sales and revenue for your company. And then you know, pulling the data together to go find out That answer and using the right tools to do so. So thank you so much, Chris, this has been incredibly insightful I have I want to go dig in and figure this out, and then come to you with way more questions.

    Christopher Penn 30:14
    Yep, I will leave you with one last tip on this stuff. A lot of us use marketing automation systems that have lead scores. And we then have things like closed deals, you know, the revenue of the deal. It is a fascinating exercise to compare using any of these tools, the revenue or the deal closing rate or things like that, with the lead scoring, see, is there a correlation there, because if your lead score has nothing to do with the outcome you care about your lead scoring is broken. So it’s what I didn’t say it’s a good research project to play with.

    Kerry Guard 30:47
    Definitely, yeah, I think it’s probably going to create a lot of questions. Once you have this level of data. It’s not even a level, I mean, it’s actually kind of high level data, in terms of being able to dig and route through all the existing data, you have to actually pull up to what’s important. And I think it is, it would cause you probably are going to shift your strategy pretty significantly, but I’m assuming, correct me if I’m wrong, Christopher. But I’m assuming that means you’re going to save a lot of money on the back end, because you’re actually doing what works, versus what you’re interpreting, without having to scrub all the data yourself.

    Christopher Penn 31:25
    Exactly. And that is the name of the game, we are about to enter a recession between two and five years long. And the focus for all marketers is going to be on return on investment, what is working, we have to double down on what’s working, got to ruthlessly cut what’s not working. And so if you want to, to make sure that you are the top value in your organization, you need to have done this analysis before the boss comes to ask for it.

    Kerry Guard 31:50
    Mm hmm. That’s such a good point that you had pasta shoes, look to the future. So interesting time we’re living in that’s for sure. Put it lightly, Chris correctly. Thank you so much. I will share your information out with with our listener so that they can follow up with you and continue to listen to your podcast as well and see what you got going on over there.

    Christopher Penn 32:14
    All right. Thank you for having me.

    Kerry Guard 32:16
    Thank you.

    Kerry Guard 32:28
    So that was my conversation with Christopher Spencer have, have we ever or even before I’m kg Have you ever used machine learning and AI to help clients identify opportunities and campaigns websites.

    Kerry Guard 32:42
    I haven’t used machine learning or AI. In terms of an analytics tool. We I know that we have used it for some Google Ads campaigns that use machine learning to automatically optimize ad creative audience targeting and bidding to drive more conversions. I think for some clients, it might work well where they have enough data to kind of make those recommendations and where all the tracking and everything is set up correctly to know that optimizations are the correct action to take

    Kerry Guard 33:18
    customers if you’re listening, and you have both of these things in place, you can measure your funnel end to end which we can certainly help you with if you need some help with that. And you have enough data Christopher’s your guy So reach out to Christopher Penn on LinkedIn. You can find his link in the show notes. You can also check out their website on Trust insights.ai for further information, and again, those links are in the show notes. Thank you for listening to the mkg podcast the podcast that helps marketers grow their businesses using the forums. The right means messaging media and measurement. Spencer, thank you for joining me.

    Kerry Guard 33:55
    Thank you.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Creating Content for Search Engines?

    You Ask, I Answer: Creating Content for Search Engines?

    Stephanie asks, “Should I be creating content for search engines or people?”

    With the advent of modern, AI-driven SEO, this is largely the same thing. Transformer-based natural language processing makes writing for people and writing for machines much closer, thanks to the way machines understand and predict. Models like BERT now understand sentences and paragraphs, which is a major change from keywords. They also specialize in tasks like question answering and prediction. Create content for these model applications.

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    In today’s episode, Stephanie asks, should I be creating content for search engines or for people? Kind of the same thing.

    In the old days of SEO, we would focus very heavily on things like individual words or keyword phrases that we needed to create content around, that we needed to create, you know, text for, that took advantage of the way that search engines used to work in terms of how they identified what a page was about how they identified what what were the most important words on a page with the advent of the more sophisticated language models, in search engines that those tactics have largely gone by the wayside, not because we stopped using those words or phrases, but because of the way the engines themselves can understand language.

    A few years ago, 2015, we started to see the advent of these new models called transformers, not anything related to the the toy line that can process text in very different ways.

    And probably one of the more important and impactful frameworks that came out of this was one called bidirectional encoding representations for transformers, which we now know as Google’s Bert model.

    And what these do differently, then, the weight search engines used to process text in the old days is they understand at the sentence and paragraph level, almost at the document level, as opposed to the word the phrase level.

    A lot of the techniques that SEO folks who haven’t gotten up to speed, still focus on are very much still at the word level.

    And the word level is not as important anymore.

    It is about sentences, paragraphs and context.

    With these new models, they’re able to read a sentence and predict what the next sentence logically should be.

    They’re able to predict what a sequence of sentences are, and then generate a an understanding of what the next paragraph logically could be about.

    Obviously, this technology has a great deal of power when it comes to things like question answering.

    So if you were to feed a question to one of these models, they can come up with what is likely to be a solid predicted answer.

    Now, what does this mean? This means that these models that are trained on an awful lot of text and tuned, using things like Google Search Quality Rating guidelines, can look at a page and say, how closely does this page, this page has content match? What is predicted, like what should logically be here, if this is a page that starts off with a sentence about coffee shops, and coffee, it should be looking for a discussion of you know, these are the hours that we’re open, these are the drinks that we serve, etc.

    And the further your content deviates from what the model understands, the less likely it is that the model is going to think that your page is relevant.

    Right? So when we talked about creating content for search engines, people that really is the same thing, because you would not take a page that you were putting on a website and say, a coffee shop and start putting like cooked ham recipes on there.

    Right? You would not take a paragraph that was about when your coffee shop was open and insert, you know, random facts about you on there, you shouldn’t, because as a human, you would read that go that makes absolutely no sense.

    What, who put this page together, this is terrible.

    And so understanding how the natural language processing models work, helps us understand how we should be writing content, we should be creating content for people.

    What are the logical things that you as a person would want to know? What are the logical next things that would occur any piece of text? Think about it if you were writing a page about your coffee shop, you’ve got a page of frequently asked questions.

    What are the logical questions that should be on there? What time he opened? How much do things cost? How do I dry? How do I get there? You know, how do you treat things for allergens, and by building a page that would satisfy a human who wanted to know all the things that logically you’d want to know about a coffee shop, you’re also satisfying These modern search engines that have the ability to predict text.

    And guess essentially, how, how aligned is your page with the things that it is predicting should be on there.

    Now, is it perfect? No.

    And are there constant updates? Yes.

    But the way these algorithms work, there’s not as much drift as long as they have that.

    That solid training data set, which again, comes from two things.

    It comes from Google Search Quality Rating guidelines where quality raters go out and rate existing pages as to how how well they display things like expertise, authority, and trustworthiness, how, what kind of quality is paid as a high quality page with a lots of original unique content? Is it does it demonstrate expertise, does it demonstrate topical relevance, those are all things that are in the quality weighting guidelines, which I strongly encourage you to read.

    Google publishes them.

    The other thing that Google has is a group called Pygmalion, which has, I believe, two or three dozen linguistic experts on PhDs in linguistics, who are constantly helping understand the mechanics of language, and how the search queries that are being processed are being essentially are, how correctly they’re processing language.

    And ways to deconstruct language, because one of the challenges of content on the web is goes a whole bunch, but one is technically a hot mess.

    But something that is authoritative.

    Authority varies wildly between different industries and disciplines.

    You know, what should be authoritative text, say in surgery is going to be very different than authoritative text in plumbing, right? You’re not going to expect a plumber to write at a graduate school level on their website, but they may have great content that makes them the popular choice for answers about two plumbing questions.

    So a lot of the these models on the back end have to contend with these different topics.

    So what do you do with this? Well, number one, you create content for people.

    And the best way to create content for people that’s relevant is to actually ask people, what questions do you have? Right? Go into your customer service inbox, and just fish out every single question.

    And for any question that occurs more than like, two or three times, guess what, you should have content on the website about that? Because it’s clearly a question people have, that they want to know more about.

    Go into your, your meeting notes with all your customers and all your clients, and pull out the questions that they keep asking that people keep asking over and over again, again, that’s content that should be on your website.

    And when you create stuff that is aligned with people, and reflects reality, you’re going to do better in search engines, because that’s what Google is, is bringing in from all these other websites that are out there.

    And that these models will come to essentially a consensus like this is authoritative, based on the training guidelines, based on the expert models, and based on the user behavior signals that Google can see, when people search on search engines, you know, if this site reads like it should be authoritative, but everybody who clicks with clicks back to Google in two seconds, like, yeah, something’s wrong there.

    As opposed to, you know, people click through to a website, and they stay there for 30 minutes.

    Okay, they, they must have found what they were looking for.

    And those data points go in as well.

    So that’s how to create content in the modern era focus on what people want, what they need, what questions they have, anticipate the questions they’re going to have in advance and put that content up there.

    Do a show like this? I mean, that this this whole show that I’ve been doing for three years now is all about answering questions that real people have, because it’s how search engines function.

    If you got follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Estimating YouTube Ads Performance?

    You Ask, I Answer: Estimating YouTube Ads Performance?

    Natchi asks, “What is the best way to estimate YouTube Ads KPIs performance for a certain budget, duration etc?”

    For campaigns that are in-flight and have enough data, use the Google Ads simulator. That will tell you what some common scenarios look like. Otherwise, cobble together your best estimate based on data from SEO tools in order to get budget, then use Google’s tool once your campaigns are running.

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    In today’s episode nachi asks where it is question go here? What is the best way to estimate YouTube ads, KPIs performance for a certain budget, duration, etc? So this is a a fairly common question when it comes to YouTube advertising.

    What is it going to cost the same for Google ads? What’s it going to cost? What kind of performance can you expect, and there’s a couple different answers based on what you’re currently doing with with your ads account, the easiest way to get started is if you’re already running ads, and there’s enough data inside Google ads, let’s go ahead and flip over here.

    So this is a look at the campaign budget simulator, which is built into Google ads in the web interface.

    I’m using a screenshot here, because there’s a whole bunch of client stuff can’t be showing off.

    But this is what the campaign budget simulator looks like when you’ve got an ad campaign video ad campaign running because all Google Ads run through the same central platform, you will get a little icon next to either the budget or the cost per view column, depending on whether you’re in campaigns or ad groups.

    And it’ll show you, hey, based on the last X number of days of data that your is been in place from your campaign running, here are the likely results you could get for your video campaign.

    Based on different levels of budget, you can type in a different budget number there and see, you know, what kinds of performance you could reasonably expect.

    This is probably the best tool to use.

    But it obviously requires you to already be running some ads.

    So you at least want to get some ads in flight, even if they’re not a huge budget numbers, just so that Google Ads has enough data to give you some estimates.

    And if it doesn’t have enough data, it will tell you so say like don’t have enough data available from existing ad performance to give you those insights.

    Now, that’s if you already got something running, what about if you don’t have something running in flight? Well, the answer to that is a lot less clear.

    One of the things you’ll have to take a look at is, are there data points that you could infer some of this information from? And the answer is, yes, sort of.

    But nowhere near as clearly as cleanly as Google gives you four campaigns running.

    So your best bet is always to have campaigns running one option.

    The very, a very simple one, obviously, is to go into tools like Google Trends, just to get a sense of your volume, is anybody at all searching for this thing? One of the things Google Trends allows you to do is do a YouTube search.

    So in there, you can then get a comparison to say like, Okay, how does this look over time.

    And you can choose the region you’re in, can choose the date range.

    So let’s do just for fun here.

    ham sandwich versus turkey sandwich on YouTube.

    I mean, just get a sense of Is there any search volume at all, sometimes, depending on what you’re working on, they may not be even be volume, let’s take a look at this ham sandwich as a very specific term.

    And in that case, there’s an indicator that the campaign probably is not going to do a whole lot if that’s the core term that people would be searching for on YouTube, like, yeah, it’s not really there.

    They’re the other tools that you can use as many of different SEO tools.

    This is one is ahrefs.

    Many different SEO tools allow you to choose YouTube as one of the channels to look at at least keyword performance to see like, what kind of search volume is there? What kind of click volume is there and get a sense of what are these keywords look like on a on a click basis, volume basis, etc.

    Now, there’s no costs in here, but you could at least get a sense of Okay, is there enough volume on YouTube? to at least infer, okay, if I know I’m going to pay, say, a buck a click right? What is that going to look like? 1200 clicks on a monthly basis, then it’s probably gonna be at 1200 bucks.

    That’s a starting point, to at least give you a sense of Okay, what should I be investing upfront to get those ads started and then once they get started, then you go back to the Google campaign simulator, it’s okay, now they’ve got at least some money in the system.

    I haven’t noticed put a credit card with no limit in there.

    Then you can start doing the simulator to understand that performance.

    So those would be the better ways to to estimate upfront, there really isn’t.

    There aren’t any good tools that I know of.

    That will give you really solid estimates because a Google keeps Pull out that data for fairly close to the vest and be.

    Video performance in particular is, seems to be a little more fickle than regular regular keyword search performance.

    Because the Google, the YouTube search algorithms and the YouTube video selection algorithms are, there’s a lot more ebb and flows a lot more things that swing pretty wildly a video can be put up and do astonishingly well.

    And then obviously, if that video is monetized, then the ads that show and it will be will, will vary wildly as well.

    So there’s more volatility in YouTube than there is typically in Google search.

    So it’s one of the reasons why there aren’t easy calculators on the web that you could use to make these inferences, you’d have to just kind of do your best estimates up front, and hope that it is enough to convince somebody to invest some money and then use the appropriate tools.

    So that’s the best way I’ve got right now.

    I would love to hear if you are in Google Ads Pro, specifically YouTube ads, what is it that you use? Leave it in the comments if you’ve got some useful tips for doing those estimates? We can certainly ask some of our friends who also work at agencies to see what is those places do as well.

    But those are my best suggestions right now.

    If you got follow up questions on us, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Screen Resolution in Google Analytics?

    You Ask, I Answer: Screen Resolution in Google Analytics?

    Onurcan asks, “I would like to kindly ask a question about that I’m tracking that one of the mobile native app android version in Google Analytics. Why is Screen Resolution show as (not set) in my Google Analytics reports?”

    This one’s straightforward, and it’s likely due to your implementation of GA for mobile apps. You’re an ideal use case for migrating to Google Analytics 4, where stuff like this is handled straight out of the box. Web analytics work poorly, if at all, with mobile apps. You should be using app analytics and the app data stream in Google Analytics 4.

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    In today’s episode, owner, john, I’m guessing that’s how that’s pronounced in Turkish auto.

    JOHN asks, I would like to kindly ask your question about, I’m tracking that one of the mobile native app, Android versions in Google Analytics.

    Why is screen resolution shown is not set in your Google Analytics reports? Okay, this one’s pretty straightforward.

    It’s because Google Analytics for the web is not suited for mobile apps.

    Prior to the advent of app plus web, or Now Google Analytics for you need to use Google’s Firebase Analytics for mobile apps, which contain data like that.

    Now, with the advent of Google Analytics for all that information should be centralized within ga for your an ideal use case, actually, for using Google Analytics for for collecting this kind of information, because it really is intended for people who’ve got web properties of some kind.

    And also mobile apps of some kind, which increasingly, more and more companies have, and being able to cross match between devices, and see what kinds of devices people are using on your stuff.

    So let’s take a quick look at this.

    Let’s move over here.

    So here’s Google Analytics for and where you would set this up as First you go into your admin, and you are going to go do your property settings go away, I’m sorry, you’re gonna go to your data streams.

    And you’re going to set up a data stream for each of the versions of mobile app you have.

    So you have an iOS data stream.

    If you have an iPhone app, you have an Android data stream.

    And then you’re going to deploy your Google Analytics for tracking code inside each of those apps, either using an SDK or using Tag Manager.

    So just as an example, let’s do a test.

    Let’s see.

    Okay, let’s register the app.

    That’s going to go through and create all the necessary pieces to build a Firebase database by the way, Firebase is actually what Google Analytics for is underneath the hood.

    And then you will go through and implement this in side your mobile app, I’m gonna just cancel out of this because this is not something I need to have set up here.

    Once you’ve got your SDK tracker implemented inside of your mobile app, then it’s time to head into Google Analytics for to see how is that data being displayed.

    So in Google Analytics for your gonna go to the tech section, one of the things people having a lot of trouble with in in ga four is that things are not necessarily obvious.

    at first blush where everything is this is the the technology section, you can see it defaults to things like browsers, scroll down, choose screen resolution.

    And then you can start getting, obviously, once your mobile app is all set, you can start getting a sense of what size screen people are looking at your stuff on the web.

    Now, you may want to add some additional clarity as to what type of device it is that somebody’s working with.

    So let’s go with device category access good device.

    I’ve got a bunch of not sets there.

    Why? Because it is Firebase Analytics.

    And this is I’m using my web stream.

    So I’m gonna have a whole bunch of not sets here because it’s not available, however I can for the web, do things like operating system.

    And they could not start to see windows, Macintosh, etc.

    and go here, go to Device brand, Apple, Google, etc.

    So now starting to get a better sense of the different types of technologies.

    Remember, because this is Google Analytics, four is a blend of both web and mobile, you’re going to get some data points, some devices and other data points or not, depending on whether you’re looking at at the data from a an app data stream, or a web data stream.

    It’s not as you saw, there’s gonna be some things but there’s gonna be gaps.

    Things are simply not in there.

    And that’s okay.

    As long as you understand what you’re looking at is, is the information you need to make choices about how you’re going to track and ultimately, what kinds of technology you deploy to make the best user experience at its core, This is Firebase Analytics, which means that it is well suited for mobile apps.

    So to solve that screen resolution, not being shown in ga in your ga switch to ga for and get it deployed.

    If you got any follow up questions on this stuff, please leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Third Party Schedulers and Social Content Performance?

    You Ask, I Answer: Third Party Schedulers and Social Content Performance?

    Iain asks, “Fact or fiction. Using third party schedulers for social media posts get a kick shins as they haven’t come from the native platform tools?”

    Some testing has been done on this front, but none of the tests, from what I’ve read, have been done as rigorously as they should have been. Watch the video for an explanation of how to run the test for yourself.

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    In today’s episode, Ian asks factor fiction using third party schedulers for social media posts, get a kick, kick in the shins as they haven’t come from the native platform tools.

    This is a good question, because it highlights some of the issues that we have in marketing with analytics and statistics.

    Specifically, some companies have done some testing on this Agorapulse has done some testing buffer has done some testing a few other social media posting tools have done some testing.

    And obviously, one of the challenges there.

    Well, there’s several challenges.

    One is there’s an inherent conflict of interest if a third party company is testing to see if third party companies to penalize but that’s not reason enough to disqualify their efforts.

    Because as long as it’s done in a statistically valid way, and methodologies are disclosed, and data is made available, then it’s totally fine, right? It’s the same with any kind of academic research, you disclose your funding, you disclose your conflicts of interest, if any, so that people know that the study may or may not be as neutral as it could be.

    Here’s the issue with the testing that’s been done.

    It’s not that it’s been by third parties, it’s that it’s not been done in a statistically rigorous way, not rigorous enough.

    And the prot, the reason for this is that a lot of the data that’s out there is it’s not well structured.

    So there’s two ways that you can statistically test for something like this one is to run true A B tests where you’re running the same content, well, one from one tool, one from whatever the control is, and it has to be the same content, or has to be very similar to the content so that a post that contains cats, people hit like cats, does well.

    And it shouldn’t matter which method you’ve posted by.

    So you have to post one with cats in your treatment group and one with cats in your control group.

    That tends not to be the case when a lot of testing goes on.

    And understandably so because if you’re doing that, you’re essentially double posting your content.

    And it gets tricky, it gets tricky to manage that.

    The second methodology that you can use is a stats technique called propensity score matching, where you take a whole bunch of data, and you group it, you cluster it and then you try to find data that is similar in each of the groups is kind of like building a, an A B test retro actively.

    The challenge there is you need a lot of data, you need a thousands of data points so that you can match control groups create essentially a control group, a control group and a treatment group of similarly performing content, so that you can see if the variant is because of the treatment or not, in this case, using a third party tool.

    So how would you go about doing this? Well, again, if you’re going the AV route, you create a bunch of social content, half of it, you basically duplicate it, you make a copy of everything, right.

    And then you put one copy in your native platform and one copy in your Scheduler.

    And after a while you run the numbers and you see which content perform better.

    accepting the fact that you’re going to have double posted content.

    And second method is using again, the data that you get out of your systems, you will need to tag if the social platforms in their analytics don’t give it to you, you’ll need to tag which was third party scheduler, and which was native.

    And then run a propensity score match.

    So let’s take a look at what this looks like here.

    So this is Twitter.

    Twitter, very kindly provides weather a post was well what tool a post was from, which is super, super handy.

    And so if I look in my data frame here, let’s go ahead and take a look at our sources.

    We have 18 different possible sources.

    We have a whole bunch of individuals and then we have the Twitter family official clients and then some more individuals there.

    So what I’ve done is I’ve extracted the last 3200 tweets from my account, removing retweets, because retweets.

    We’re trying to test stuff that is native and then assigning if it was used, if Twitter the native platform was the source Want to go with in this case I’m going to make that the treatment doesn’t really matter is just assign the groups.

    And then if it was a third party tool, make it a zero.

    No, it makes more sense to logically do this, let’s, let’s back this up.

    So treatment is going to be using the third party tool.

    Let’s go ahead and run our matching test.

    Okay, and we have as a result, the treated group meaning a third party tool, on measures of favorites, retweets and engagement, when we look at the main difference, third party content in for my account on Twitter does slightly better than the stuff from the native platform.

    Now, again, this is really important.

    This is my account.

    So you can’t generalize this to anybody else, you should do this on your own account.

    And this is for Twitter only.

    So you’d want to perform similar tests, with similar data on the social platforms, you care about Instagram, YouTube, Facebook, whatever.

    But this is the methodology for how you do this, you can either retro actively do it with a propensity score match, or you can do a true AB test.

    Let’s take a look at one more let’s do I know it’s in the data set.

    So let’s test this.

    Oh, and did not work because I need to switch this to nearest? There we go.

    So in this case for this account, similar the treatment slightly better.

    So is there a difference in third party tools? Yes.

    And actually, in this case, a couple of tests here, we’ve seen that it’s a slight improvement.

    Should you generalize this to your social media strategy? No, no, I would test this with your own data, make sure that this idea applies to you specifically, because that’s what you care about, you don’t really care about my account, you care about your account.

    So you’d want to to run this similar type of testing for you.

    That said, based on the less statistically rigorous tests we’ve seen, based on doing something with a bit more rigor, so far, haven’t seen any strong evidence that third party tools cause harm, right, if anything, scheduled content, at least in my tests, performs slightly better.

    So does that mean that you should change your strategy now? run the test for yourself first, get the answer for yourself first, and then build your strategy on that.

    And if you don’t have the capacity to do this, then I would say frankly, it doesn’t hurt to use third party tools so far.

    Again, the various tests have been out there kind of proven to one degree or another, there’s not substantial harm.

    There’s certainly nothing that makes you go Oh, wow, that was That’s terrible.

    Like, let’s let’s stop using these immediately.

    It’s not the case.

    And again, you have to test this for each platform you’re on because each platform has different algorithms.

    So your follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Filtered Views and Google Analytics 4?

    You Ask, I Answer: Filtered Views and Google Analytics 4?

    Josh asks, “In GA4, how do we properly understand the paradigm shift when it comes to filters? In the past, we could provide access to data across numerous groups just by setting up a filtered and customized view for users – but that looks like it has all gone away in favor of data streams.”

    The short answer is that Google Analytics isn’t the tool for that any more – Google Data Studio is. Google Analytics 4 is now a BI tool. Watch the full video for an explanation of how to solve this challenge.

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    In today’s episode Josh asks in Google Analytics for how do we properly understand the paradigm shift.

    And when it comes to filters.

    In the past, we could provide access to data sources across numerous groups just by setting up a filtered and customized view for our users.

    But that looks like it has all gone away in favor of data streams.

    is correct.

    The way Google Analytics for functions now is, honestly, it’s a BI tool, it’s a business intelligence tool.

    It is a data processor.

    It is not a reporting tool.

    It is not.

    It’s not it isn’t an analysis tool.

    But it is definitely not a reporting and visualization tool anymore.

    And it is very clear from how it is designed that the intended purpose of it is for analysts to be able to look at the data, slice it dice it, come up with models and algorithms and conclusions about the data, and then be able to publish those insights.

    When you look inside the interface for Google Analytics for there isn’t as much granularity when it comes to access control, because obviously, the view itself is gone.

    So what do we what do we make of this? Where are we supposed to be doing this kind of work? Well, it comes out, essentially in two different places.

    One, for the average use case, for the average business, the intended tool for reporting is Google Data Studio.

    Right.

    Even though the connector between Google Analytics and Google Data Studio isn’t, isn’t quite ready for primetime, yet, that’s a pretty apparent design decision.

    When you’re handing off stuff to business lines, you’re filtering it, you’re selecting it, you’re cleaning it up.

    In Data Studio, Data Studio is the visualization engine.

    And in a lot of ways, this makes a lot of sense, it is more work for the marketing technology team, or the data science team up front to build all these dashboards for people in the company rather than just giving them access to Google Analytics.

    But in the end, it probably serves them better.

    Because a lot of users, when they’re looking at raw data, if they’re not well trained, and have a good understanding of data analysis, will poke around Google Analytics and draw the wrong conclusions.

    They will draw conclusions that are incorrect.

    And they will make decisions that aren’t correct.

    And so by having Google Analytics for be a little less user friendly, in some ways, for the average end user, it really pushes us to think about visualization to think about reporting, and think about what people need, honestly, what are the things that people need to know, in order to be able to make great decisions.

    I can’t tell you the number of dashboards and reports and things I’ve looked at, you know, over the years, which don’t really communicate anything, I mean, they they dump a bunch of data on somebody’s desk, but really communicating that and, you know, having an end user clicking around 12, or 14 different places inside of Google Analytics isn’t efficient, right? Better to assemble them a single dashboard, one page two page, however many pages it needs to be, that presents them all the information they need in order to make decisions, and then saves the analysis tool for the actual analysts.

    So that when that person looks at their date and goes, Hey, this doesn’t make sense.

    I have a question here.

    They can go to an analyst who can log into Google Analytics for slice and dice the data within the application and then either update the dashboard in Data Studio, or provide guidance to them say like, yeah, this is the reason this is the way it is, you know, X or Y.

    That is the paradigm shift that has the Google Analytics for presents.

    Now.

    Is that to say it’s the way it’s going to be for all time? No, we don’t know that.

    Now.

    We do know, many folks have commented, including on the official support forums that Google Analytics for is still in development.

    It is in beta.

    Even though it was announced and being ready for launch.

    It is still evolving as a product as a service.

    So the same for all the Google products in the Google Marketing Platform.

    They’re all evolving.

    And things that are not there now may show up at some point.

    That said I don’t see the ease of use and the customization that’s available in Data Studio, being brought back to Google items.

    For I, the design decisions that you’re looking at, to me indicate where Google wants us focusing our efforts as marketing technologists when it comes to end user reporting.

    And that is providing them dashboards that are easy to use, that have been thoughtfully built.

    And that helps people make decisions.

    Now, here’s the challenge.

    If you’re got somebody who’s not good at building dashboards, it’s not an improvement, right? Or you have an end user who doesn’t know what they want.

    And you don’t have an analyst who is capable or in a position to be asking questions of a stakeholder saying, Well, no, tell me what decisions you actually make from this data.

    And you know, the person’s like, No, no, I really need to see your bounce rate and time on page.

    And I need to see how many people came from Pinterest.

    And I need to see, you know, number of tweets on Tuesdays, right? All kinds of silly stuff that they feel like they need.

    But that doesn’t actually help them make any better decisions, that it will be an organizational challenge.

    That’s a people challenge, as opposed to a technology challenge.

    And that will be more difficult in this new environment.

    Whereas you could hand them a Google Analytics view, and say, Good luck, and then just let them stumble around blindly until they get disgusted.

    And then they don’t ever look again.

    Neither approach solves the problem.

    But the dashboard approach with Data Studio makes it more of your problem.

    So we have to be aware, as analysts, as marketing technologists, that the new paradigm in Google Analytics for places more of the analysis burden on us and the construction of the reporting burden on us.

    And then once we offload that, then it’s up to our organizations and how we approach things as to whether there’s an ongoing burden on us for reporting a visualization or if we hand it off and say, yeah, here’s the dashboard you requested.

    Enjoy, and the user gets what they get.

    So it’s a really good question.

    There are a lot of paradigm shifts in Google Analytics for there is a better analysis tool than Google Analytics three, I have found you know, in my use of it, it is more granular, you can dig deeper, you can find interesting new things, but it is not easy to use.

    And for the end user who does not have comfort with deep data analysis, it is not a better tool.

    But again, that’s where data studios roll is.

    So really good question.

    If you have follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Who is an SEO Expert?

    You Ask, I Answer: Who is an SEO Expert?

    Masha asks, “What does it really mean to be an SEO expert? Considering the depth and breadth of SEO, is it even possible to be an expert on all aspects of SEO?”

    It depends on how we define SEO itself. SEO, or search engine optimization, is all about optimizing our digital properties to be found in organic, unpaid search. (the companion is SEM, or search engine marketing, for paid search) There are four branches of SEO – technical, onsite, offsite, and content, and each is a profession unto itself.

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    In today’s episode, Masha asks, what does it really mean to be an SEO expert considering the depth and breadth of SEO? Is it even possible to be an expert in all aspects of SEO? That’s a good question.

    But it depends how we define SEO because as Marsha points out, it is a very broad discipline, there’s a lot to it.

    Fundamentally, SEO is the process of optimizing our digital properties to be found in organic unpaid search, hence the name SEO or search engine optimization.

    The companion piece to this is SEM, which is the ability to to have your paid stuff, rank well.

    Now, to be an SEO expert, you’ve got to be able to essentially generate good results in search, right at the end of the day.

    If you’re not driving traffic, and leads and conversions and ultimately revenue through organic search, you’re not an expert.

    It doesn’t matter how many tricks or how arcane your knowledge is, if you can’t generate results, you’re not an expert.

    Now, the question is, which aspects of SEO Do you have specialization in and there’s four major branches of SEO, there’s technical SEO, which is where you’re looking at the server’s themselves, right, the technical infrastructure.

    And this, this is almost borders on it.

    So caching HTTPS, server side certificates, HTTP two minifying your content using a CDN, all the technical things that go into a website, and how well it runs, how smooth of an experience is the back end architecture.

    And there is a tremendous amount that you can do with services, for example, like CloudFlare, that can help improve your server’s performance.

    Because one of the things that that is taken to account in SEO is, how quickly does your page load? Google does this for its mobile, first indexing, how fast is a page on a mobile device.

    And as of May of 2021, the core web vitals will be a part and parcel of search rankings, how quickly how a web page paints, how long it takes to load stuff, those will function as part of the rankings.

    Google made this announcement not too long ago.

    So that’s one aspect of SEO.

    The second is on site, SEO, and this, we talked about structure of stuff on site.

    So proper schema, proper markup, JSON LD, all the technical stuff that you can do on a webpage itself, to make it function correctly understanding how for example, how Google renders a page, and how Google indexes pages and structuring your content to function while making a page is mobile responsive, making them free of errors, you know, no, for forced making sure your internal linking structure is good.

    There’s a tremendous amount of stuff that again, goes into on site, technical SEO, using the right plugins and making sure the plugins are configured correctly.

    is all part of on site SEO.

    The third part is content.

    Content is not necessarily the we differentiate it from onsight.

    In that onsight is technical stuff content is the content itself.

    The topics you’re writing about the words, the phrases, the semantic associations, the the interactivity of content, the media types, the making the stuff, right, How valuable is the stuff, you know, for example, on on, on this show, we’ve got a YouTube video got an audio podcast, we’ve got the blog post that goes with this, got the imagery, all that is the content.

    And there are things you can do to optimize your content.

    simple stuff, for example, like with YouTube videos, if you’re not uploading a closed captions file, you’re kind of doing it wrong.

    If you want your videos to be found on on YouTube itself on your own site, making sure you’ve got transcripts for any kind of rich media to make sure that there’s enough text for Google to crawl, making sure that you’re using words and phrases and topics that are relevant to what people are searching for in the language, they search for it.

    So doing a tremendous amount of research into your audience to figure out okay, this is how my audience asks this question.

    So I should answer this question in that same language.

    And then the fourth branch of SEO is off site SEO.

    And this looks a lot like public relations.

    This is doing outreach.

    Making sure that you’re getting links to your articles, you’re getting links to your website, you’re getting links to all the relevant content.

    You spend all that time creating, building relationships with media outlets, influencers, other bloggers, other websites, appearing on podcasts, appearing on people’s YouTube shows and live streams and essentially building a brand around the content that you’ve built.

    So that when Google and other search engines index, all the links that are out there, you have a fair number of inbound links headed your way.

    Each of these branches of SEO is a profession unto itself, right technical SEO, like set is like it off site.

    SEO is like PR, content marketing its own thing.

    On site SEO is, you know that a lot of ways the job that we used to call back in the early 2000s, a webmaster right, all four professions? And can you be expert on all four of them? Yes, you can.

    You will, you can be proficient at all four are you do have enough time in the day to do all four on a frequent basis, probably not.

    Particularly offside, offside is one of the most time consuming parts of SEO, if you do it well.

    If you do it poorly, it’s, it’s not so time consuming, but you don’t get good results that way.

    And so you will probably have a specialization in one or two of these areas, but not necessarily all for you, you won’t do all four all the time.

    Most of the time, though, if you have enough knowledge to be competent, each of the four areas, you can then contract out with agencies, or contractors or partners or whoever to handle aspects that you’re not as proficient at, or you just don’t have time to do.

    So for example, with technical I mentioned a service like CloudFlare.

    That’s is a great supplement to your technical SEO capability.

    So it’s not a replacement for knowing what you’re doing.

    But it is something that you can offload some of those tasks.

    With off site, if you have a really good public relations team, they can handle an awful lot of that workload, getting you links to your stuff as they pitch the just giving them the guidance.

    Hey, as you pitch the story, make sure that you get us a link to back to our website.

    When it comes to content marketing, if you know that you need to work on video and video is not your strength, and you work with contractors to help produce videos and stuff.

    And then you use transcription software or transcription contractors to build the content for Trent to be transcribed.

    But you want that experience, you want that knowledge in each of the four areas so that you can act as a manager act as a project manager or coordinator to help keep your SEO efforts on tracks.

    And there’s a fifth area that is not SEO tactics, that is important.

    That is Seo management, being able to coordinate to build project plans to keep a team moving in the right direction to broker arrangements with other contractors and agencies, particularly when you have inter agency conflicts.

    Those are all skills that are sort of at that fifth, a morphus all encompassing area of SEO and again, like project management a profession of its own.

    So an SEO expert has proficiency in at least one of these areas.

    They have knowledge of all four, and they have a specialization in at least one.

    And can you be expert on all of them? Yes.

    If it’s all you ever do day in and day out and you fulfill those different roles for different clients or within a company? Yes, you can be expert in all of it.

    But you will still have a strength probably in one area in particular.

    That’s a good question.

    It’s an important question because a lot of people still 20 years later, are a little fuzzy on SEO.

    So important, important stuff to know.

    You got follow up questions on this? Leave it in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Advice for Brands in 2021?

    You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Advice for Brands in 2021?

    Michelle asks, “What one piece of marketing advice would you offer to brands as we head into the new year?”

    Get your analytics infrastructure in order. So many companies are in terrible condition, analytics-wise, and if you’re a mess, then you can’t make data-driven decisions. You want to be data-driven. You want to make decisions rapidly under changing circumstances, which defined 2020 and will continue to define 2021.

    The toughest part of any disaster is surviving it long-term. When that initial wave comes through, be it hurricane or pandemic, a lot of damage is done, and that damage takes much longer to clean up. The effects of this pandemic will probably last at least half a decade, longer in some parts of the world. You’ve got to have a finger on the pulse of your business and your industry – and that requires good data.

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    In today’s episode, Michelle asks, what one piece of marketing advice would you offer to brands as we head into the new year? is a time of year again, isn’t it? Alright, so here’s the thing.

    The toughest part of any disaster, being a hurricane, tornado pandemic, whatever is the cleanup, right? surviving the initial wave, whatever it is, you know, storm comes ashore, disease runs rampant, is difficult.

    And we are still in the middle of a pandemic, despite what various folks would like to think we are still very much in the middle of the actual disaster itself.

    And so our first priority for the next year is surviving that.

    And then what happens after that is the hard part.

    And that is the cleanup.

    Look at any region after it’s had a hurricane, you know, the cleanup takes years, five years, 10 years, there are some places that simply don’t recover.

    And the effects of this pandemic are going to last a substantial amount of time, half a decade, a decade, for some, there’ll be some permanent damage.

    Look at the number of businesses that are simply closing that will never reopen the effects of that the effects of this, this disaster that we are in are still not written.

    We still don’t know the implications of all of this, there’s so much we don’t know, we don’t know how the wave of bankruptcies and business closures will affect our markets.

    We don’t know how the long term health impacts of the pandemic are gonna affect our customers, there are indications that there may be serious substantial long term effects for as many as one in five people.

    So in order to adapt to this environment, we have to become data driven.

    And we already have made substantial changes towards becoming more digital companies this year, right? We had to those companies that did not adapt in some way, didn’t make it.

    And there’s still a lot of trouble to go through.

    In order to be as adaptive as possible, as nimble, as agile as whatever you want to call it.

    Businesses have to be data driven.

    And that means they need good data.

    And they need good analytics infrastructure to process that data.

    And this is where businesses fall down.

    And this is where the marketing advice for brands is, you must get your analytics infrastructure in order.

    So many companies are in terrible condition from a marketing data marketing analytics perspective.

    If you’re a mess, if your data is not correct, if your your infrastructure is not set up, well, if you’re tracking the wrong things, if you don’t have any data driven goals, you can’t make agile decisions.

    Right? If you are relying on quarterly report on your market for your marketing team, you’re doomed.

    Right? So much happens in a week, in a week these days, that waiting for a quarterly report is madness.

    And so you need those systems that bring you closer to real time.

    That means good web analytics, good tag management, strong business intelligence, a data facility that your employees in multiple disciplines can access and analyze people who know what to look for in that data, and can understand it and say, Oh, this means this or this means that here’s the decision we should make from it.

    And a cultural change in your organization that says when the data tells us to change, we change regardless of our opinions on it, regardless of how we feel about it.

    When the data says this is the problem.

    within the boundaries of your ethics and your values and your laws, you make changes.

    Right? So if just a silly example, if your data is telling you, hey, you should be on Tiktok.

    It doesn’t matter whether you like it or not, doesn’t matter whether you think it’s a silly thing or not.

    If the data’s tell you, you have to go that way, then you have to go that way.

    You have to make that decision, and pivot your business to do that.

    If you don’t, again, you’re in trouble.

    of all these things.

    Fixing the infrastructure is probably the easiest, right? It is straightforward.

    Companies like mine do it all the time for other companies.

    But it is essential.

    The hardest part really is the cultural change of getting people to make a cultural shift within your organization to understand the value of data, understand the value of monitoring your data frequently, making the time in your work day to look at the data, even if it’s just as simple as walking by a screen, whether it’s you know, in your home office or in your actual office that has your KPIs, and you can look at and go Hmm, that’s down sharply, isn’t it? Oh, no, I, and having that set up for individual employees for each of their roles, so that they can see, you know, hey, this is the amount of time and the key indicator that I have to pay attention to.

    And that applies to every employee in the organization.

    Even even people not in marketing, right? You know, somebody who’s in in facilities in ordering, management should be keeping an eye on the prices of commodities that the organization uses.

    And you can say, Hey, that looks like there’s a big spike in the price of toilet paper, we should probably order some backup supplies, because this looks like it might be getting scarce.

    Right? A whole bunch of people found that out the hard way this are in 2020, didn’t they? So that’s the most important advice I can give you get your analytics infrastructure in order your marketing analytics infrastructure is essential to pivoting when situations and times change.

    And there will be big changes in the year ahead.

    There will absolutely be we will just in the context of this pandemic, we will have likely one or more vaccine candidates, we will have a gradual reopening of certain kinds of businesses.

    Ideally, ideally, we will even see, you know, some kinds of businesses like real world conferences come back by the end of 2021.

    Ideally, that is contingent upon everyone following public health measures.

    That is contingent on all of us actively rooting out disinformation and intentional manipulation.

    That is, all of us, essentially doing what we’re told, right? When it comes to making sure that we follow public health measures from qualified experts.

    And I’m not optimistic about that.

    I think there’s a big challenges ahead in the year.

    But assuming things go well, you need to be keeping an eye on your industry with real time or near real time analytics to say, hey, demand for our products and services is starting to shift dramatically.

    Something has happened some you know, maybe it’s our our customers have reopened and are able to move around freely, etc.

    Our geography is out of lockdown, whatever the case may be, you won’t know that unless you have your ear to the ground in the form of marketing analytics.

    So get your data in order.

    Get your infrastructure in order, get that working soon.

    And then start making that cultural shift towards data driven decisions by showing people here’s the value of the data, here’s the value of the decisions you can make from the data.

    Here’s how you’re going to get you know, your bonus or whatever.

    In order for people to go, okay.

    I’m going to put my emotional impulses my feelings about a decision secondary to the data, not to say that we’re gonna get rid of it.

    Just secondary, making that cultural shift debt to get people to go, Okay, I’m going to try making decisions with data would be my advice for 2021 Good luck to all of us in the year ahead.

    It’s going to be a tumultuous year.

    Let’s say that right now.

    It’s gonna be it’s not gonna be pretty, but we will eventually get to where it is that we want to go.

    Yeah, follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Consumer Data and Privacy?

    You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Consumer Data and Privacy?

    Nicole asks, “What should our strategy be with CPRA and cookies inevitably being taken away from marketers?”

    It’s inevitable that consumer data will become more private. Intelligent Tracking Prevention for Safari and Firefox have blocked third party cookies. CPRA – just voted into law – will restrict sharing of data (not just selling). Chrome will be implementing third party cookie blocking by 2022.

    What all this means is that we have to own our data and audiences – and as quickly as possible.

    How? By asking consumers for their data directly, rather than relying on third parties of any kind.

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    In today’s episode, Nicole asks, What should our strategy be with cpra and cookies inevitably being taken away from marketers cpra is California’s new legislation was just passed into law by a vote in the most recent 2020 election, it will supersede the existing ccpa law, which has been in effect will supersede it in 2023.

    It is inevitable that consumer data will become more private and less accessible to marketers.

    We’ve been on this march for four or five years now.

    And between changes in browser architectures to themselves legislation, and the absolute dominance of ad blocking technology, it’s no surprise that the data that marketers used to be able to get access to is diminishing.

    If we look at things like intelligent tracking, prevention and enhanced privacy protection in Safari and Firefox, respectively, they block third party cookies and cross site tracking out of the box.

    It’s not allowed.

    Now that takes out about 25 30% of your marketing data from third parties.

    Google Chrome will be implementing third party cookie blocking by default in 2022.

    So what all this means, in short, is, as marketers we cannot rely on third party services to provide us usable data.

    Right? There’s just no way to do that.

    What we need to do instead is we need to be focusing very, very heavily on first party data.

    And, quite frankly, we maybe need to focus on understanding the value of the data itself, not for us, but to the consumer.

    When we talk about first party data, we’re talking about information that consumers give to us directly, what is it that they are willing to volunteer? And what are we willing to trade to them in exchange? This is a big was a big open question for a lot of marketers, because the reality is most of the things that marketers have to trade are not particularly valuable, right? What do we have to trade to a consumer in exchange for their data, some white papers, free downloads, maybe some credits or something if you know, depending on the kind of business we have.

    And we need to be thinking much more from a marketing perspective about the value of data, getting a consumer to give us their data, is now going to be a sale in and of itself.

    And think about that, from that perspective getting a consumer to give us their data is a sale unto itself.

    So a sale means that there is a transaction, right? There’s an exchange of value, what do we have to give that is worth enough that a consumer would say yes, I will buy that I will buy whatever you’re offering a value.

    And the collateral I’m putting up is my data.

    most marketers don’t have anything to give, right? You read your average company newsletter that’s out there, what’s in there, it’s a lot of chest beating and puffery.

    That, frankly, is uninteresting even without, you know, any personalization data, you read a white paper, and it’s a more often than not a very self centered piece of content intended to persuade you to buy as opposed to being of legitimate value to you.

    You attend the conference session, and an unpleasant percentage of the time is a sales pitch.

    So we’re already not providing value to customers, to consumers, we’re already trying to sell them something without giving them something in the first place.

    And now, most marketers will be in a situation where they’re not going to earn the right to that consumer data, they’re not going to earn the sale.

    So what do we have to give? What do we have to offer, and this is going to be the foundation of your first party data strategy.

    Your first party data strategy looks like this.

    It looks like an email list that’s robust.

    It looks like private community of some kind that is not a major social network, like discord or slack.

    It looks like a list of mobile numbers that you can text.

    It’s basically a form of contact where you can reach out to the consumer directory directly you have earned the right to do so.

    And so we have to ask ourselves what value are we providing? What is? What are our options to increase the value of the data that we have? There are certainly techniques like progressive profiling, for example, where you can ask for a minimal amount of information at registration.

    And then over time, ask for, you know, one or two new pieces of information, with each new login each new launch each new download, so that you eventually build that profile.

    But that’s kind of like taking a large purchase and breaking it up over a bunch of payments, right? You still have to earn that every single time.

    When we look at the content we’re providing, can we create enough value that somebody wants it to begin with? And then can we upsell for additional data? A number of years ago, I used to do a thing called premium content in my newsletter in exchange for people’s information.

    Turns out, I stopped doing that because I wasn’t using the additional information, it wasn’t of any value.

    And so I stopped doing it, because they really was no reason to do that.

    But most marketing automation systems will support that it will support dynamic content where you can say, only display this block if you have these pieces of information in the database.

    So you can do a premium content model.

    Instead of asking for money, you’re asking for the data.

    But again, it’s got to be valuable.

    It’s got to be worth trading for.

    So the bigger question is, what could you be doing to offer value in the content you provide that is worth paying for? Right? That was Jay Bear’s thesis in his book utility A number of years ago? Is your content good enough that someone would pay you for it? Well, now, we are at that situation where consumers will pay with their data in exchange for valuable content.

    Again, looking around at what comes in inboxes, and in the mail and at trade shows, the answer is no, it’s not worth paying for it.

    So that’s the mission for marketers in the next two years, right? Because Chrome is still the largest browser, it’s 70% of the market, give or take.

    And when it implements its own third party cookie blocking, it will be a substantial disadvantage for many, many marketers who are relying on that data for things like cross channel attribution stuff, not from websites and website data but from ad networks.

    So what will you do over the next call the next year, what will you do over the next year to make your content so valuable, that someone would pay for it with their data? Right? That may mean original research on a regular and frequent basis.

    That may mean curated content that has a point of view that nobody else else can get from anywhere else.

    That may mean subject matter experts offering legitimate value without trying to sell you something that may mean unique stuff that isn’t available.

    If you’re For example, I have a mobile app to be discount codes.

    For in app purchases, or freebies or contests, giveaways.

    Whatever it is, you have to have something that’s worth paying for with somebody’s data.

    That’s the biggest takeaway, you have to treat consumer data as a sale, and be collecting it on a first party basis voluntarily from consumers.

    Because if consumer gives you the data, voluntarily having read all the disclosures, they then cannot take any legal action if you use that data, now, they can revoke consent at any time.

    And you have to make it easy for them to do so.

    But again, the idea is if continuing to provide value, they should continue to provide consent.

    That’s pretty straightforward.

    So good questions are going to be a question that you might hear a lot of in the next two years.

    So make sure that you’re staying on top of it and working on building your content value.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Trends vs. Tactics and Strategies?

    You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Trends vs. Tactics and Strategies?

    Oleksandyr asks, “What defines a trend versus a tactic or a strategy?”

    Mathematically speaking, the definition of a trend is a sustained change in a metric over a period of time that can be proven with a statistical test.

    In the context of this question, I assume we’re talking about usage of particular channel, tactic, or strategy and whether or not to align them to marketing trends.

    The key to understanding trends is in the statistics. Once you have enough data to prove the trend is real, you act on it.

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    In today’s episode, Alexander asks what defines a trend versus a tactic or strategy? They’re, they’re totally different things.

    A strategy is why you do something, what’s the purpose of it? tactic is what you’re going to do, right execution is how you’re going to do the thing.

    Let’s do strategy, tactics and execution, that’s pretty straightforward stuff.

    A trend is something totally different.

    mathematically speaking, a trend is a sustained change in a metric over a period of time, that has been proven with some sort of statistical test.

    So again, a sustained change in a metric over a period of time, that can be proven, with a statistical test of some kind.

    That’s what a trend is, when you look at a chart of, you know, dots or lines or whatever, if you can use some sort of mathematical test, like, for example, linear regression, a logarithmic regression, polynomial regression, exponential regression is something that can fit a line to the data, and have that be reasonably statistically sound meaning there’s a correlation, there is something that you can mathematically show Yes, there’s an increase in this.

    There’s a cyclicality to this.

    That’s a trend, right? I’m guessing by the intent of this question, we’re talking about what is the usage of a particular channel or tactic or strategy? And whether you should be doing those things? Right? So is Tiktok.

    a trend? Or an anomaly? Well, depends on the period of time and the data you’re using to make that assessment.

    How many users are on it? How quickly is the rate of use changing? It would be things you could test out, you could also test out, for example, how often people search for it, how often people talk about it.

    And in that sense, you’re looking at a chosen metric of some kind, probably some measure of popularity, and whether there’s enough of it there to warrant you participating in it.

    There’s a new social network or social media app nearly every day, most of them don’t survive.

    But also, there are other trends, people try to take a look at what is the usage of Facebook, how many news media outlets are there? Pretty much any number that occurs over time, can be measured to see if there’s a trend.

    Here’s the challenge for a lot of marketers.

    most marketers do not have any kind of statistical background.

    Mathematics was, for some, the reason why they got into marketing, because they didn’t want to do math, and statistical assessment and analysis is definitely not something they signed up for.

    So in a lot of cases, marketers are making decisions on very qualitative data, like, hey, five of my friends just signed up for this new thing, it must be popular, as opposed to actually looking at the data and using some form of statistics to make that determination.

    So how do we understand this? Well, the key to understanding trends is in the statistical test, when you look at any time series data, any data that occurs over time, and you fit a line to it of change over time.

    Do you see in the given period of time that you’re trying to assess a meaningful, sustained change in that metric? If you were to take a chart, and it had the dots all over the place, and you know, for each individual day and drew a straight line through it, and it was just completely flat, there’s no change, right or going down would be would be bad.

    As opposed to going upwards, either as a straight line or maybe a curve.

    Those would be the tests you would run to determine is this thing, an actual trend.

    And there’s three different kinds of things you’re going to see right you’ll see anomalies, which are where, you know, you’ve got dots that are way above or below whatever line you’re drawing on the chart.

    Those be things that are odd, but definitely not indicative of a trend because remember, a trend is a sustained change.

    A breakout would be the beginning of a trend where the dots or the lines on the chart, slowly start to go up and then stay going in that direction.

    And then the trend is the sustained momentum.

    In that direction of that change, trends can go up and down, right.

    So you can have things that are D trending or becoming less and less popular.

    There are, you know, for example, bell bottoms were a trend, upwards in the 1970s have been on a trend downwards ever since you have not really seen them come back.

    So, you’ve got to be able to run the statistical tests.

    Now, the good news is many, many software packages can do basic trend analysis very well, Microsoft Excel does it very well.

    Tableau does it very well, IBM Watson Studio does it very well.

    You don’t need like heavy duty machine learning software to find, you know, the four basic trend types.

    But you do need to know how to, to run them.

    And you do need to know be how to interpret them.

    And that’s the challenge that again, a lot of folks will run into.

    But remember, the four basic trend types are linear trends, which is a straight line.

    logarithmic, no logistic, sorry, logistic trends, which is where let’s have an S shaped curve, exponential where it’s a straight up or straight down curve.

    And polynomial, which can fit a line to waves.

    most marketers are going to run into polynomial trend curves, with cyclical data, especially if you are a b2b company.

    You work with polynomial trends every single day, you just don’t know it.

    Because your traffic or your leads, or whatever goes up Monday through Friday and goes down pretty sharply, Saturday, Sunday.

    So your chart looks like this every week, right? So you have a polynomial curve.

    When you fit a trendline to that, you’re obviously looking for the inter day or inter week changes, but then you’re going to add an additional trendline on top of it to say, okay, in general, is my website traffic going up? Or is my website traffic going down to determine what the trend is? So when we’re talking about identifying a trend, in order to apply marketing strategies or tactics about it, we’re talking about doing the data assessment first, and then making a decision is something that we want to be part of.

    And you’ve got to do this frequently.

    It’s not something you can do just once and make a decision.

    For example, a year ago, well, more than a year ago, Tiktok was like, Yeah, okay.

    The trend data was starting to, you know, move upwards, but it wasn’t really as hot.

    Fast forward six months ago, it takes off, right.

    And so if you’re not measuring trends frequently, or looking for trends frequently, you may miss things.

    This is, again, why a lot of really good marketing analytics, departments or groups have automated software that pulls the data in and looks at it very frequently to say, yes, is there they’re there this week? You know, are you starting to see Oh, it’s merging upwards, you know, real ugly version of this.

    Look at the number of coronavirus cases, there are trends up and down and up and down.

    And you’ve got to be keeping a careful eye on it.

    Because it can change rapidly, it can change, you know, within days and see a change in that the velocity was called an inflection point.

    That’s something that gets out there’s a new trend to starting.

    So we’ve got to have the tools to to look for them frequently, and be able to react to them.

    The most important thing when it comes to trends is being able to make a decision from it.

    You look at a trend change and say yep, it’s now changed enough that we should do something about it.

    And again, you need to be monitoring constantly for that.

    So in this context, that’s what a trend is sustained change in a metric over a period of time that can be proven with a statistical test of some kind.

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