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You Ask, I Answer: Best Voice Transcription Services?
Heidi asks, “Which is the best and cheapest way to transcribe an audio file into text? And which tool do you use?”

The answer to this question depends on your level of skill. For most people in most circumstances, I recommend Otter.ai. That’s the best blend of cost and performance. If you really, really care about performance and you have the technical skill, I recommend building a custom model trained on your voice specifically with IBM Watson or an open-source deep learning network. That’s for a very select group of people, though – most people will be just fine with Otter.ai.

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In today’s episode, Heidi asks, What is the best and cheapest way to transcribe audio files into text? And which tool do I use? So good question, the answer to this question is going to depend very heavily on your level of skill and your budget.

Right? For most people, in most circumstances, including myself, I recommend and use otter.ai le pull up on my phone here.

otter.ai is very, very straightforward.

Either load an audio file into it or you, you record live.

So in fact, I’m going to turn on the live recording now.

And what it’s doing is it’s listening to me.

And as it listens to me, it is starting to transcribe in in real time or near real time, which is very, very handy.

I use this a ton on my end, for conference calls, because I will say something like, Oh, yeah, we can get you that report on Tuesday.

And I’m like later on what what did I say.

So because the way you can split audio on a desktop computer, you can record only your end of the conversation.

For if you need to record the entire conversation.

Remember that you have to be in compliance with your localities or or countries wiretapping laws, because it is technically a form of wiretapping also allows you to take live audio feeds, there’s enough good audio in the room, like if you’re at a conference, and you’re sitting like right in front of the speaker, you can have it running and transcribing and actually, Simon allow one of the head folks there show me you can actually highlight and share the snippet along with the audio back to social media, which is pretty cool.

pricing on this is terrific pricing is about $10 a month, for I believe it’s 100 hours of recorded audio, which unless you are literally having somebody follow you around all day long, and just record everything that should be more than enough for almost everybody who is attending meetings, going to conferences, and even doing daily videos and podcasts.$

So that’s the best solution that I think for most people in most circumstances.

Now, there are exceptions, if you really, really, really care about performance, and you have the technical skill to do so you may want to build a custom model that is trained on your voice specifically.

And you would do something that with something like IBM Watson speech to text you can do with Google Cloud voice, you can do it with Amazon AWS recognition, all these services allow you to build custom train models on your voice, they are actually less expensive.

In some cases, then auto but they require you to have access sense of knowledge of Python, because that is the language that you write the code in to interface with these services.

So that’s a case where not many people will have the technical skill, but could take advantage of the customization.

A really good use case for that would be if you have very complex custom lexicons, and you have a speaking voice that is in some way slightly different or more unusual, in which an off the shelf applications not going to perform as well.

So if you have, for example, a strong accent, you would probably want to do a custom model.

Even if you’re speaking English, you’d still want to a custom model, or especially if you speak languages other than like main, mainstream languages, like most of these apps, are released in the American and the UK market, and are tuned on the English language.

If you are speaking like Pashtun, or Swahili, or salsa, most of these apps are not going to work for you.

And you would need to go the custom modeling route.

To work with that, if you don’t fly out, don’t have the money at all, you could build a an open source deep learning neural network on your laptop and use some of the freely available code out there to build that network.

And that’s, that’s an even greater leap beyond when it comes to the technical skill that you need.

So most people most circumstances otter.ai, I think it is the best app out there for people, depending on on the market for some folks who have very special needs custom pre trained voice models with IBM or Amazon or Google.

And then for those folks who have the highest level of technical skill or the zero, like complete zero budget, but you have a laptop that for some strange reason has a GPU that you can use, you would do the open source deep learning neural network, I would say for the most part, stick with the vendors.

Because one of the things that’s happening right now in the in the natural language recognition space, is that the technology is evolving quickly.

And again, if this is not your core competency as a business, there’s no reason for you to be building your own and then trying to keep up with the software, I don’t even do that.

And AI and machine learning is the core of of our business.

But for the most part, everything off the shelf is really really is good enough.

I also like the fact that otter allows you to share transcripts.

So you can it’s it’s performs very similarly to like Google Docs and Google Drive.

If you’ve done a meeting with somebody, like I did this recently in a in an interview, I said to the interviewer, let’s capture the audio, and then I’ll send you an automated transcript and I could send them the link.

And it has that sort of dictation style playback, where you can see the little words going across the screen and then replay certain sections.

And that was super helpful, especially because the interviewer English is not their first language.

So I have a tendency to speak quickly.

And we were talking about some fairly complex stuff.

So they were able to get the transcript to reference for the article.

So that’s my recommendations for voice transcription services, as of autumn 2019, the landscape is always changing.

And there are always services to keep an eye out for and try.

The best way to compare services on the pricing basis is price per recorded minutes to figure out or ask as you deal with vendors, what is your price per recorded minute, because some folks will say like, yeah, you know, for10 a month you get this, but then it’s an extra, you know, four cents a minute.

And then when you work out your all the math and how many minutes you’re allowed.

I did this recently, somebody was pitching this thing, I go for podcasts, we got the best transcription service, you know, highest accuracy rates and stuff.

It’s only, you know, X dollars a month.

And on the surface, it sounded good.

I read the Terms of Service, though, and I was like, that is literally 128 times more in terms of cost per recorded minute, then honor.

And I don’t think they’re transcriptions that much better.

It’s not hundred 28 times better.

And I’m certainly not in a situation where I would need that level of accuracy.

The other thing that really messes people up when they’re comparing transcription services is that if you’re used to a human transcription service, a human is going to edit out and maybe even rephrase and tweak your language machine will never do that.

If you don’t speak in the same way that you write, any automated service is going to be a disappointment to you and was going to require more editing because you need you’re expecting machine to edit for you and they’re not at that point yet.

Automated services will take exactly what you give them and spit out almost exactly what what they heard.

So if you don’t speak as the same way you write, you’re going to do a lot of editing.

And it’s not comparable to human.

I personally don’t again, for my use cases, I don’t find that the cost increase going from you know, something like a penny per recorded minute to $1 per recorded minute.

I don’t see the justification for that for what I do.

But other people who need to have the more I guess, be spoke transcripts, you may still need a human to do the editing, either as part of the transcription process or afterwards.

So keep that in mind as well.

Great question.

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September 23, 2019
You Ask, I Answer: Media Value of Reddit Posts?
Clifton asks, “Does anyone know how to calculate the media value for a post on Reddit?”

This question leads towards the metric that won’t die: ad value equivalency (or cost equivalence). AVE makes the assumption that if a post performs organically, then its performance should be benchmarked against what you would have paid for the same placement. AVE is bad for many, many reasons:
– Organic and paid user behaviors are different
– Organic and paid channels may occupy different parts of the customer journey
– Cost is not result
– Much better metrics exist

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In today’s episode Clifton asks, Does anyone know how to calculate the media value for a post on Reddit? This question leads towards the metric that simply won’t die.

And that is add value equivalents are cost equivalents.

Cost equivalence functions have been around for a really long time.

And in the past, they kind of made sense.

They were originally intended to be used with newspapers.

And because newspapers charged advertising by the square inch.

And so if you had to pay for a square inch of an article, basically as an ad, and you got that square inch for free, you would say that you save that amount of money.

add value equivalence is not it’s not completely invalid, because there is some there is some opportunity cost, an opportunity cost is a real economic thing, right? If you don’t have to pay for something, you by default save that money.

But the reason cost equivalence is a bad choice for metrics is because it makes some very broad assumptions about the way customers behave.

Cost equivalents is based on the assumption that if if a post like on Reddit performs organically put it there organically, then its performance should be benchmarked against what you would have paid for the same placement.

That might have been true in an era when you only had like one newspaper, right.

But it’s now completely untrue for a variety of reasons.

Number one, you know, from your own behavior, that user behaviors are different for unpaid versus paid media, you are probably less likely to engage with a piece of paid media content, except under certain circumstances, right.

Most of the time, most people engage with organic content.

So the behaviors are different.

And you will see this if you do customer journey mapping with actual data, particularly digital customer journey mapping, which is something that I do a ton of, I will very often see the same channel, like Facebook, for example, or Reddit, in very different places in the customer journey, depending on whether it is paid or unpaid.

Typically, not always.

But typically, I will see paid be used to drive a lot of awareness, and then organic sort of help nurture and engage.

Other organizations see opposite behaviors.

They use organic produce I’ve awareness and paid to retargeting, but either way, the paid and the unpaid are different, right? They occupied different parts of the customer journey, they fulfilled different functions.

So you cannot do cost equivalents because the behaviors are different.

The third thing, the third reason why cost equivalents is bad, is because cost is not a result.

Yes, saving money is a result.

And if you have absolutely no other metric available to you, you can still use it just to say like we save this amount of money, but it is not a business result.

Right, it is not a this is what this campaign did for us.

It’s just this is what we didn’t spend on this, one of the bones I’ve had to pick with public relations professionals in the past is they would say, Well, you know, PR gets you placement that you would otherwise would have had to pay for it, yes, but you still had to do the PR, you still have to pay for it.

If you’re paying a public relations firm, you know, $10,000 a month you are still spending money, you’re just spending it differently, that’s all.$

But cost is not a result.

Unless you are only measured on how much money you do or don’t spend.

If that’s the case, you might want to update your LinkedIn profile, because that’s not a particularly growth minded organization.

So cost is not a result.

And the corollary to that is that much better metrics exist.

Especially if we’re talking about a digital channel like Reddit, like Reddit, there is no other form of Reddit, right? You can’t use Reddit on on your telephone, like old school telephone, not a smartphone, you can’t use read in paper form, there is only the digital channel, which means that there’s a click stream, for the most part that is trackable.

And that you can see what did red traffic do on your website? Did it convert? Did you get goal completion out of it.

If your marketing automation, your CRM are well connected, then you should be able to trace trace trace and track that all the way down to read it gave us a customer or didn’t give us a customer or at least a sales opportunity.

And so you should be using, at the very least goal completions and Google Analytics as a benchmark for how did a post on Reddit to write if you get no goal completions.

And maybe you want a more advanced analysis to measure brand strength, and you get nothing, then there is no media value of Reddit, right? Just like there is no media value, if nobody clicks on your search result, or nobody engages with your social media posts, and goes to your site and fills out a form.

So you only use cost equivalence if there is nothing else at all right to measure.

And if there’s nothing else at all to measure, you have you have much bigger marketing problems.

The only other situation where costs equivalents is potentially usable, is if you have a non financial outcome to your marketing.

That means the most common case is a politician, right? A vote is a non financial outcome you to win the election or you don’t.

But there’s no metric of performance in that there’s no dollar amount to that maybe1 amount if you’re a corrupt politician take bribes later on.

But that’s another story.

But fundamentally, it’s a non financial outcome.

So you may have some cost equivalents there as a proxy, but at the at the end of the day.

The measure there really is you either want or didn’t win the election.

Other than that, there is for most businesses in most situations, there are business impact metrics that you should be focusing on instead.

So can you calculate a media value equivalents and add value equipments for a Reddit post? Yes, should you know absolutely should not instead focus on the results of drives.

If you have no results because there’s no tracking, make that the first thing you do is figure out how to do the tracking better, so that you can more easily determine the real value of the work that you’re doing.

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September 20, 2019
#MarTechConf East 2019 Recap: Peak CDP, Point Solutions, and Privacy
Some thoughts and looks back at the MarTech East 2019 event held by Third Door Media, Scott Brinker, and the MarTech team. Huge thanks to Scott and the Third Door Media team for inviting me to conduct a workshop with my CEO, Katie Robbert, and present on the topic of AI for marketers.
- Operations is still the major focus
- Buy still largely the focus rather than build
- Point solutions for everything
- Peak CDP
- Privacy issues loom large – and CDPs aren’t helping
- AI is still poorly understood but at least more companies are trying
- I can’t believe we’re still talking about attribution
MarTech East 2019 Recap: Peak CDP, Point Solutions, and Privacy
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In today’s episode we are recapping the martek East Conference that I had a chance to speak at this week along with CEO Katie, where we did a three hour workshop on attribution.

And then two days of conference talks.

So let’s take a look at what the major themes were this year.

martech has always been and and still is mostly about marketing operations is still the major focus.

And that’s a great thing, because that’s an area where marketing tends to be very deficient.

One of the interesting things that was running through attendees minds over certainly was a major topic of both morning’s breakfast was that by versus build is still largely the focus, people are talking about normalizing their martek stack and you know, adding tools and gaps and stuff.

And it’s astonishing to me that the first impulse of a marketing operations person or chief marketing officer is something’s not working, let’s buy some more stuff.

That there’s a reason why Scott Brinker is martech loom escape the huge landscape with all those logos 8000 of them.

There’s a reason why there’s 8000 logos, if that’s the mindset, people are enough, just buy more stuff to see if that fixes the problem.

It doesn’t.

But I thought that was interesting in the number of conversations I had with attendees, their instinct is let’s buy more stuff to try and fix the problems.

Remember, we’re singing breakfast, the second day, listening to this person talk about how they, they felt like their stack was incomplete.

And they needed some additional lead scoring technologies.

And they needed some new regularization technologies and something to deal with synchronization.

And I said, so what do you have in house for your stack? And I said, well, the major components are web analytics from Google Eloqua, salesforce.com, and ERP system.

And then they listed like 15.

Other tools, I’m like, you know that the 10 other tools that you have listed, they are duplicative of the some of the capabilities in the core platforms that you already know that I didn’t know that, well.

I feel like there’s some more juice, you could squeeze out of the things you’re already paying for, before you go buy something new.

That’s not to say you don’t ever need to buy something new, sometimes you absolutely do.

And you need a point solution that provides a service or a function that just can’t get anywhere else.

That’s a great opportunity to look at a point solution.

But if you’re paying, you know, hundreds or thousands of dollars every month for these major platforms, it’s worth a deep dive into the manual to see what’s in there.

So that was one of the major takeaways from the second we are at peak CDP customer data platforms.

These are services that promise to extract and unify all your customer data give you you know, 360 degree view of the customer and all that stuff.

And everybody in their cousin says they were CDP.

Now, former data management platforms etc.

Everybody, even tag management software is now claiming to be a CDP cd PS have a problem.

And the problem is this they are a bandaid on poor process, governance and poor discipline when it comes to technology.

If you need a third party piece of software to unify all of your data, it means that you do not have a good handle on your data.

There are many, many really good database services, data extraction services, etc.

That can perform the functions of a CDP but allow you to own your data rather than have a third party vendor managing it for you.

And in a lot of cases, the CDP is it is a band aid because and it’s an expensive band aid.

Because if you can’t find where all your data is matched up, yes, a piece of software can do that.

But you should be already doing that you should already have good identifiers, normalized identifiers throughout your data.

So that’s one aspect of what was interesting.

The second was that privacy issues are on everyone radar, which is great GDPR still not being followed well by a lot of companies, and then CCP and like 13 of its variants also looming large on people’s minds.

And I went to the expo hall and talk to about half a dozen CDP vendors and I asked them, How does your product help a marketer deal with these issues? And they said, Well, our our software all has these features that allow you to input the privacy policies of your choice.

And you know, and then you configure it, and then you set it and then it will obey what you tell it to do.

So that’s not helpful.

Because if you are not familiar with the law already, you may miss implement or just not implement privacy features.

And so the another point of contention with I have with these vendors is you’re not making people’s lives easier by automatically suggesting, hey, this field looks like an identity field, you should anonymize it.

So that you are in compliance, the law.

There is a lot of work to be done by a lot of vendors.

I heard one vendor say, well, we’re GDPR compliant.

So you’re automatically CCP a compliant, like, Nope, that’s not how that works.

The laws are different, they are different enough that you do need to merge the different pieces and identify what sort of the strictest highest standards compliance is, that will automatically make you apply for both.

But you have to merge those features together.

In order to get to that simple example.

GDPR is at the individual level, CPA is at the household level.

And so your default for privacy has to be at the household level, if you want one policy to rule them all.

Third point, Ai, still poorly understood by a lot of people but more companies are trying I did hear a number of people saying that we’re doing pilot deployments and things like that and seeing some good initial results.

I saw one person from a pharmaceutical company talking about their data science and AI efforts mostly on conversion rate optimization, they were able to get 30% lift in about six months.

Once they got all their their data untangled.

And such that was a great thing.

I see you glad to see that there’s progress being made there.

And finally, I can’t believe we’re still talking about attribution.

Not that it isn’t important because it is but that more companies have not made good progress on building their attribution models.

Katie and I did a workshop.

And it was a wide wild mix of people from people who were like, yep, we have a functional multi touch attribution model informed by machine learning to we don’t have anything yet.

And it’s shocking to me that, you know, really, almost a decade after multi touch attribution models really started hitting the market that we’re still at a point where it’s not commonplace, at least on the digital side, at least on the digital side, right? I totally get merging offline and online is really difficult.

And you need to have, you do need to have data science and machine learning capabilities.

But there’s no reason not to be using multi touch attribution, at least on digital in digital marketing, because the data is there.

The click stream is largely intact, and it will at least point you in the right direction.

So those are some of the major highlights from our tech East fantastic conference.

Huge thanks to Scott Brinker, the third door media team for having me come out and do a workshop and speak the if you want to see the session, go to where can I get the slides calm.

Or just go to the trust insights website and you can watch the entire video from the session.

But again, huge thanks to those folks and looking forward to to participating in more martech events.

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September 19, 2019
You Ask, I Answer: Visualizing Your Marketing Technology Stack?
Megan asks, “I’ve been tasked with visualizing our entire marketing machine. Like, each piece of software and marketing lever that is utilized for each stage of the customer journey. I’ve got some ideas on how to best do this, but thought perhaps you have some ideas on how to do this dang thang?”

Welcome to the wonderful world of MarTech, or marketing technology. Visualizing the MarTech Stack is one of the most popular things to do; it’s even got its own awards ceremony. To visualize effectively, learn some of the basic tips in this video.
- What’s the goal? Is it governance? Operations? Security?
- Who will be using/consuming it?
- How will they use it?
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In today’s episode, Megan asks, I’ve been tasked with visualizing our entire marketing machine like each piece of software and marketing lever that is utilized for each stage of the customer journey.

I’ve got some ideas on how to best do this, but thought you might have some ideas of how to do this dang thing.

Welcome to the wonderful world of martech marketing technology, visualizing the martek stack is one of the most popular things do in fact, there’s an entire award ceremony and stuff for martek stack visualization that’s held at the marketing technology conference every spring and fall.

In fact, I’m about to go to the the Arctic East Conference, as I record this, for martech stacks, visualizing them effectively requires you to do some groundwork in advance of starting.

So that means you need to collect all the data.

Who are the vendors? What role do they do? Who are the people? What are the processes? does it start and sound familiar? This is HJ love.

It’s 1964 framework, people process technology.

And that’s what a good martek stack is.

You got to answer three questions before you start the visualization.

In addition to gathering all the data that’s going to go into it.

What’s the goal? Is it because think about a marketing technology governance framework or compliance framework? You have things like, is it governance and process documentation? Is that the goal of this thing? Is it marketing operations that needs this visualization? Is it security? Is it compliance and regulatory, that needs it? These martech stacks are very important for things like GDPR, and CCP, a HIPAA and all the regulations that require you to say, here’s how our customers data is being used.

Is it the is it finance that needs it? So your martech stack is an integral part of the documentation for your marketing technology balance sheet, which is the assets that you have in your corporation.

And your CFO is going to want to see what you’re spending money on and be what are the assets that come with it.

For example, if you have a marketing technology stack, and you and lead management as part of that, that list of leads that you have, that is an asset that is a tangible asset that your company has that has monetary value, and your CFO would sure like to have that documented.

Second question need to ask after what’s the goal of the stack of visualization is who’s going to be using it? Who’s going to be consuming it? Is it a junior level staffer? Is it middle management? Is it executives, that understanding of who’s going to be looking at the visualization, as true of any visualization dictates how much detail you’re going to put into it, and what your creative boundaries are, if you’re handing this say to your auditors, you’re not going to be very creative, you can be very, very detailed.

And it may not even be a visualization, it may just be a list, because your auditors may say no, we’d rather just have a list that we can copy paste from one compliance document to another.

And then the third question that you need to get an answer is, how is the user going to use it? So is the CMO just going to put it in a slide in the you know, quarterly board review? If so, you can make it look fancy and stuff, but doesn’t have to be very detailed, it just has to look good as to be aligned to your brand standards.

On the other hand, if it’s going to be used for things like resource allocation, guess what he had better be having a ton of white space on it so that people can make notes like, here are the people that we’re going to assign to this part, here are the resources, the budgets, the timing, so that’s going to dictate your visualization as well.

When you look at most marketing technology stacks, at least the ones that are published in the stack is they are documenting, as you mentioned, the stages of the customer journey.

So you have to figure out which type of customer journey you have and which framework you want to use.

The one that is sort of the gold standard is by McKinsey and Company, the consulting firm, which is a two part customer journey on the first half is the buyers journey, awareness consideration, evaluation purchase.

On the second half is the owners journey, which is ownership, retention, loyalty, evangelism.

And each of these stages has technologies that apply to it, the tech stuff, but there are also people and processes that go with each a really good marketing technology.

visualization has people process and technology documented at each stage.

So it’s not just the technologies.

One of the deficiencies of the martek stack these awards is that they have a tendency to just be collections of logos, that doesn’t tell you anything about how you use the technology, what the technology is used for.

And that’s at each stage, people process technology, you want to be able explain, here’s the tools that we use for awareness.

Here’s the processes we use for awareness.

And here are the people that are responsible for it that really helps build an informed marketing technology stack that you could use for something like operations.

For example.

At the end of the documentation process, there’s a very good chance that your visualization is going to be like a poster, right? Because there’s going to be so much information.

And then you can decide based on that if you want to slim it down if you want to, to either have drill downs, if it’s interactive, or if it’s literally a poster, you then you may want to have smaller versions that omit certain things just have like vendor logos that might be the public versus private one to one of the interesting things from the martial arts is that a lot of the scrolls for martial arts schools, the secret techniques really are just for like footnotes, or Cliff’s notes or shorthand.

And you don’t get the full details in the documentation.

The same may be true of your marketing technology diagrams, you may be able to slim down to just a collection of logos.

And that is something you could share publicly, maybe even in the martek stack these awards, but the people on the processes that gets suppressed so that you’re not giving away any trade secrets like yeah, we use Hootsuite, we use buffer we use sendgrid, we use Salesforce com, that doesn’t really tell anybody anything other than which vendors you’re paying money to.

As opposed to saying, we take Salesforce com and we integrate it with Google Analytics using Zapier and bind that to our data science facility to do predictive lead scoring, right? That’s, that’s getting into secret sauce territory.

That’s something you never put on a stack of visualization.

But you would want to have that in place private version, the detailed version so that somebody who took the diagram for sales, training of new employees would be able to say yes, and here’s how the pieces fit together and why they fit together.

So those are some guidelines for a stack visualization.

What’s the goal? Who’s consuming it? How will they use it, gather all the data, all the stuff about people process and technology.

And that’s what you want at each stage of the customer journey.

Your first iterations are going to look ugly, they should look, they should be a hot mess.

And then you can refine it from there.

I’ll put a link in the notes below to the stack ease award.

So you can see some very creative visualizations of it.

But remember that these are the public ones that don’t include people and don’t include processes.

They really are just collections of vendor logos.

But if you’re just showing it to the CMO, so they can show it to the board.

That might be what you what your public light version looks like.

Great question.

Fun question.

There’s a lot you can do with this stuff.

And that’s a lot of fun.

How about a lot of fun with it.

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September 16, 2019
You Ask, I Answer: LinkedIn Contact Export Data Details?
Keiko asks, “Is it possible to download Linkedin contacts with city or state location? Thank you!”

Out of the box, the answer is no. You get first name, last name, title, and company, and the connection date, and that’s it from the official LinkedIn export. There are third party options, but they come at massive risk of having your profile banned for violation of the Terms of Service. There is a simple strategy which takes a serious amount of time, but is a valid workaround that obeys the Terms of Service. Watch the video for more details.

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In today’s episode, Keiko asks, Is it possible to download LinkedIn contacts with city or state location? Thank you out of the box, the answer is no.

In the official LinkedIn export what you get from your, if you go to your profile settings go to account, go into it manage your data, you can request an export of your LinkedIn connections.

And what you get in that file is first name, last name, title, company and connection date.

That’s what’s in the file, you no longer get any form of contact information except for those very, very few people who consent to having their email address listed publicly.

LinkedIn took that away.

November 2018, I believe was because way too many marketers were exporting their LinkedIn connections and then just adding every single person on their team to their email list and out that’s a it’s against the terms of service, but be it just irritated a lot of people.

So that’s no longer available.

And that would have been the easiest way to do that.

So there are third party options, there are a number of vendors have created tools that will against the terms of service, scrape LinkedIn profiles, about your first degree connections, and assemble a download with all the relevant information, those tools will likely get you banned.

Let’s put that out there, those tools will likely get you banned.

And the reason for that is they they’re against the terms of service.

They by crawling the LinkedIn website at speed, they are resource drain on LinkedIn.

And here’s the funny thing.

Each of them because they’re all paid services.

They have certain API calls, they have certain things their own that the LinkedIn engineering team has sensibly built tools to identify to ping them.

And if they’re installed in your browser, you’re in violation, your your profile gets flagged and you get banned from LinkedIn, which is kind of against the point whole point of LinkedIn, you don’t want to get bent.

So how do you do this? The simple, straightforward, long term play the requires time requires effort requires resources.

But there’s a valid workaround that obeys the terms of service is this on a regular frequent basis, share content on LinkedIn, that people go to your website, fill out a form, where you can ask them these questions like your city, your state, your country, all that stuff.

And as long as the content is sufficiently compelling enough, a certain percentage of people will do it.

So that requires haven’t gotten people actually want.

And they’re willing to fill out a form for.

And it requires your time and effort over a long period of time to consistently share this thing to give it away.

collecting that information.

So it’s got to be great, it’s got to be free, it’s got to be something that you promote on a regular basis.

And it has to be valuable to your connections, and you will get a percentage of your connections to convert is no different than any other lead generation program.

And you can absolutely run ads, to your connections, your company’s connections, all that stuff to promote this thing.

And you’ll get that data.

Now the question is, is that data valuable? It can be, especially if on the form you’re collecting email addresses.

I would also suggest that all of your form pages, well, I would suggest that you create a landing page specifically for LinkedIn, you only use it on LinkedIn, right so that it is likely not guaranteed, but likely that the traffic going to that page is from LinkedIn.

And I would strongly encourage you to incur to install some ad cooking software on their ad tracking software that allows you to enroll the people who visit that page into a tracking audience.

I use a company called stack adapt, which you’ll find a link in the show notes below.

And when you do that, you can further refine your city and state but then you can reach out to those people by who visit that page with ads, retargeting them, and get them to come back or get them to participate in a different offer of some kind.

Stack adapt is terrific.

But there are obviously a million different ad services out there.

I like stacked up because they have a very low minimum for advertising 300 bucks per campaign, which, if you’re creating something of value and is driving your business, you should be able to find 300 bucks.

Now if it’s like for your personal email newsletter, or something like that, then yeah, it’s a little steep.

But for a business, you should be able to find 300 bucks, you can’t you have bigger problems.

So that’s the strategy, create content people want.

Share it on LinkedIn, get them fill out that form.

And then enroll them in your ad system so that you can continue to target them, identify them.

Make sure obviously things like Google Analytics for installed on the page, make sure that you are capturing the first three sections of someone’s IP version four address, you’ll always want to anonymize the last octet because of GDPR and CCP compliance, but those first three digits will give you city state for sure.

Or by province.

But yeah, the easiest way, ask people ask people that information.

with the understanding that obviously, every additional field you put on a form is reduces that that forms conversion rate.

But if it’s important to you do it that way, I would say if you get the export of that first last title company, then you can do first last match on first last first last email and on the form and then match that to your connections to get title the company slip, someone doesn’t have to fill out the form of that.

And then get the location data that way as well.

postal code is probably the easiest thing to capture.

And then you can reverse engineer that based on you know, zip databases in the US Postal Service in the UK, etc, etc.

Each of these countries has a database for that sort of thing.

So that’s the strategy.

It’s not guaranteed it won’t get 100% of your connections, but it will get the connections that are interested in you and interested in the content that you share.

The other thing is you need to be creating content have value all the time on LinkedIn over a long period of time so that people trust you, like you engage with with you, and then are likely to engage with that ask so make sure that you spend a year or two doing that first.

So good question needs to be a lot easier in the old days but as always marketers ruined everything so please leave follow up questions in the comments below.

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September 12, 2019
You Ask, I Answer: Categorical Prediction Techniques for Google Analytics?
Maggie asks, “Would you use CHAID analysis to discover relationships between multiple categorical predictor variables? For example, using GA dimensions (traffic channel, device type, country, landing page, etc.) and group them according to their likelihood to convert. What else can be used for a similar analysis?”

Maggie knows her stuff when it comes to statistics. CHAID (Chi-square Automated Interaction Detection) analysis is a great classical method for doing multiple outcome statistics; unlike decision trees, which typically have binary splits in decisions, CHAID can do multiple splits. CHAID is also useful for data that is non-parametric, meaning it isn’t in a normal distribution, which a lot of marketing data is, but as a technique for marketing analysis, it’s more for interpretability than prediction. That said, it has fallen behind more advanced classification and regression trees (especially with random forests) and newer techniques like XGBoost and stacked ensemble methods in tools like IBM Watson Studio AutoAI and H2O AutoML.

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In today’s episode Maggie asks, would you use chat analysis to discover relationships between multiple categorical predictor variables, for example, using Google Analytics dimensions like traffic channel, device type, country landing page, etc, and group them according to their likelihood to convert What else can be used for a similar analysis.

So, Maggie knows her stuff when it comes to classical statistics Chad, which stands for chi square, automatic, automated interaction detection analysis is a classical statistics method for doing multiple outcomes statistics is similar to decision trees.

But what makes it different than decision trees is that at any given point, when you’re trying to split up data, it can have more than one split, where’s decisions, trees are always binary, those split you one part goes this way, one part because this way.

It’s also the reason why it’s so popular in classical statistics is because it creates a model that is very easy to interpret a human being can look at a trade analysis on paper and go, Okay, I understand what’s going on here.

Whereas when you look at something like if you have a massive decision tree, it can be very hard to figure out like what exactly we doing this tree is, you know, 200 layers deep and has 40 splits each way.

And, and it is it is more like a tangled hedge than a tree.

That said, it has fallen out of favor, the technique has fallen out of favor, really since more computational power became available in the 90s.

Now it’s available.

It’s in tools like IBM Watson and IBM, SPSS, it’s available.

And for those people who know what it is know how to use it, it is still useful.

And there are times that we’ve talked many times there are times when a classical technique may be better than you know the state of the art because the state of the art may be computationally intensive, harder to interpret and only offer a couple of percentage points improvements.

Over the over the classical methods, this is especially true and things like time series forecasting, classical methods are still on par with with state of the art for the ability to predict.

Shade is useful for data that is not in a normal distribution, because it uses Chi squares for it splits, which is important because a lot of marketing is not in a normal distribution, which means it doesn’t look like a bell curve.

Most marketing data looks like a power law curve, you’re tall head long tail.

In fact, they’ve been marketing books titled the long tail.

And as a result, it’s not a normal distribution.

And so a technique like Chad, or any technique that’s non parametric, is a important for being able to work with marketing data.

But CHAID is not particularly good at prediction.

And that’s what a lot of marketers are trying to figure out is not necessarily the relationships between variables, but what variables in combination predicts the outcome we care about.

So in Google Analytics, you may be looking at, I care about conversions, and I care about goal completions, what are the variables and their interactions that predict a goal completion so that I know I need to spend more money on mobile ad bids, or I need to spend less money on Facebook.

That’s the kind of information we want and for that, CHAID has fallen behind a classification or and regression trees or cart techniques, especially because the newer techniques, newer because something like a random forest is still only 50 years old, not exactly new, at large scale, random forest are much more powerful for that type of prediction.

And then even newer techniques that still fall in the family.

But things like gradient boosting Stochastic gradient descent, extreme gradient boosting.

And the state of the art for the average machine learning professional who has access to the technology really are strong ensemble methods.

tools like IBM Watson studios, auto AI, or eight shows auto ml are the best at doing this kind of analysis today, because they can do all the hyper parameter optimization, they can do all the feature engineering or the mall, I should say the feature extraction because they can’t add any net new features.

But most importantly, they can do all the algorithm testing and selection for us and put together as a stacked ensemble of the best techniques which may include shade at some point in the stack, but then also have all the cart techniques above or below or in parallel to that.

And that’s what is the best in class today are the stacked ensemble techniques where a machine looks at our data.

h2o is auto auto ml, for example, does take the categorical predictor variables does one hot encoding turns them into their still category poker numerical and then runs them through gradient boosting GLM GBM.

It does neural networks.

And then it says, here’s this combination of methods that work best for this data set without too much overfitting, because it does, you will use specify doing like a 60 2020 split.

So from a a hardcore data science and machine learning perspective, using these automated methods for classical statistical problems is the best choice today.

Because they can do you know, 50, or 100, or 200 different tests on the data in order to give you the best combination of variables, deploy a modeling, and then have that model, taking new data from the data source.

Google Analytics is a great example.

Once you build a model, you want to have data streaming into it, and then updating and retraining the model and tuning it so that you get accurate predictions about like what is what’s happening with your data.

If you need to be able to explain step by step, what a model is doing to somebody, chain is still a great choice.

Because you will incur some performance penalties, you will incur some accuracy, penalties, but you will have a model that you can literally draw on a whiteboard, and somebody can understand it.

If you need maximum performance, you need to use stacked ensemble methods.

That’s pretty much the way things go these days.

Great question.

Very, very good technical question.

So if you are new to stats and data science and machine learning, most of this episode is probably like, I don’t know what’s going on here.

And that’s okay.

Just know that there are that technique selection is rapidly being handed over to machines because they’re better at it, they can do more variations.

It’s like fundamentally what we’re talking about if you are baking cookies, a machine will go through and test bake every possible variation of the cookie with all the ingredients and then test bake and every possible temperature your oven and tell you this is the best combination of ingredients and the best combination of oven time and temperature to yield the best cookie you can get.

And that’s where machines really out shine humans today for any kind of prediction.

Just that that rabbit tuning.

So great question Maggie.

Glad to see that there are folks out there who are working in this realm as well.

Based on the content of your questions, always always fun.

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September 11, 2019
You Ask, I Answer: Conversion Rate Optimization Strategies?
Akshat asks, “Can you recommend your go-to strategy for conversion rate optimization that can give results in short-time?”

Conversion rate optimization is all about knowing what converts. What converts comes from Bob Stone’s 1968 direct marketing framework: list, offer, creative. Today, machine learning and AI can help us streamline the CRO process, especially on the list side when it comes to sources. Watch the video for full details.

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In today’s episode, och shot asks, Can you recommend your go to strategies for conversion rate optimization that can get results in a short time? Well, I like I dislike questions like this because the intent of the question is looking for a shortcut.

As with all things, there are, after a certain point, there are no shortcuts to take.

But there are some things we can think about that will help us accelerate our processes, make us more efficient and make us more effective.

So let’s talk about those.

conversion rate optimization is all about knowing what converts, right.

What converts, really comes from Bob stones 1968 direct marketing framework, he posited way back in the day, that direct mail because obviously paper mail was all about three things lyst offer creative have the right list, have the right offer have the right creative and Bob’s framework, he emphasized that too many direct marketers were spending so much time on the creative, but really, it was right lyst right offer before you start meddling with creative.

If you have the wrong list of people, meaning people who are not qualified buyers for your direct mail, you will get terrible results no matter what you do.

Likewise, if it’s the right, or if it’s the wrong offer, the right people with the wrong offer, they’re not going to buy it.

But then, back then, and today, people spend a whole bunch of time on the creative, the graphics, the fonts, the colors, this that the other thing and it’s not as impactful.

And we see this all the time with digital, especially with website optimization, people install great tools, like Google Optimize is a great tool, who because it’s free.

And people spend so much time you know, testing LIKE BUTTON colors and things like that.

If you’ve got the wrong list, in this case, your audience got the wrong audience, then nothing else matters, right? You’ve got to have the right audience of people that you want to be in front of you got to have the right offer, what is the thing that the audience desperately wants to buy? And then yes, use website optimization software to test the creative.

The good news is today, machine learning.

And artificial intelligence can help us streamline that conversion rate optimization process, especially on the list side.

When it comes to sources.

If you look in, for example, Google Analytics, you will see a source and a medium for every visitor that comes to your website.

For the most part.

Inside that source medium, that’s a a really good starting point for who is on your list, meaning where you getting your traffic from.

using machine learning techniques like Markov chain modeling or Shapley game theory, you can construct a model that shows these are the sequences that people come to us from.

And knowing that you can learn what your most valuable sources are, where’s the source of your list based on the conversions that you have set up in Google Analytics.

Now, once you do something like that, once you set up something like that, then you are in a great position to begin optimizing your list.

If for example, 40% of your conversions come from organic search, well, then guess what, of course, you’d better improve your SEO, right? I was working on a customer mapping yesterday, and 18% of the conversions came from a paid search 14% came from organic search, and it was a clear opportunity to save them look, improve your organic SEO, and you don’t need to spend as much you’ll still need to spend but you don’t need to spend as much on paid search.

So that’s one example of being able to use machine learning to tune these things up.

Same with offers.

What is an offer? It is the thing that you’re pitching to the the audience that you want them to buy? How do you know what they want to buy? use techniques like topic modeling on social media content, survey data, use predictive analytics to do what I call content forecasting, to figure out what and when people are going to be most interested in the problem that you solve for them.

Right.

So let’s say people are searching for espresso shop near me, right? When and the next 15, two weeks, and people are going to search for that the most use predictive analytics to forecast that and that’s when you time your offers for no, try this espresso shop.

conversion rate optimization very often ignores time.

Very, very often the people who are doing CIO sort of treat the audience as a monolithic constructs that does not change.

When we all know there’s tremendous seasonality in in what’s what people do, right, you search for iced coffee, unless you’re a New Englander.

Only during the warm months, we were here, we’re weird.

In New England, we drink iced coffee all year round, like 20 feet of snow outside when we’re tunneling our way through the snow to get to a coffee shop.

But these tools, content forecasting tools can help us streamline that part of the car process.

And finally, of course, is the creative side.

And that’s where well established tools like Google Optimize can play an important role in helping us test and improve our creative, but do not start with the creative.

All of the three aspects and stones framework is the least important.

And it is where you will get incremental percentage performance increases.

But not like life changing, life changing is all about getting that right list of people getting in front of them, and then rolling out your offers that matter to them.

So that’s that’s how you do this.

conversion rate optimization is all about tuning the numbers.

I know, technology is better for tuning the numbers, then machine learning.

So make sure that if you’re not already you’re using machine learning techniques and technologies to do your conversion rate optimization to do that audience analysis to do that driver analysis or what drives people to be a part of your audience and are you getting them to the right places to do that? offer tuning and then of course to do what you put out for creative so that’s the that’s my go to strategy for CRO it’s one of many is not the right answer, but is one of many.

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September 10, 2019
You Ask, I Answer: SEO Trends for 2020?
Shane asks, “Which SEO trend helped you dominate search results and generate more revenue?”

Unsurprisingly, the advanced usage of machine learning and AI technologies have helped us grow significantly over the last couple of years. Content forecasting with predictive analytics has been a slam dunk, identifying what’s likely to trend and when.

However, all that is nothing compared to what’s coming. SEO practitioners who want to continue winning need to understand what companies like Microsoft Bing and Google are working on now, and master the technologies as they appear in-market. Three areas to pay attention to: improved multilingual NLP, question answering, and massive pre-trained models with sentence-level encoding.

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In today’s episode Shane asks which SEO trend helped you dominate search results in generate more revenue? Well, unsurprisingly, the advanced use of machine learning and artificial intelligence technologies have helped us grow our own company and our clients businesses significantly over the last couple years, really, in the last year or so.

We’ve done SEO, research and analysis and trend identification for a number of different companies in all sorts of crazy industries.

And probably the biggest thing that has been helpful in that has been what we call content forecasting.

Using predictive analytics, it’s it’s been a slam dunk.

So you take known search trends, because we have the data forward in the past for keywords for phrases, ideas, topics, and then identify forecast forward and identify when the search volume likely to increase for those terms in the future on a week by week basis, when you do that.

You time, your SEO efforts, not only with what people are interested in, but also when they are interested in it.

And that is incredibly valuable.

Because you time your SEO efforts to make sure you’ve got content in market and indexed in advance of when the algorithms need it to be able to show it.

You time it with your social content, you time with email, you time with your paper, your paid per click sem.

Whatever you use for planning, this technology helps inform.

Now, that said since this is a question about SEO trends for 2020, that’s what was that was the past.

And it’s still good, it’s still important.

But what’s coming is going to require SEO practitioners who want to continue winning, to really kick it up to that next level notch.

You need to understand and be reading and researching alongside what the big companies are doing Microsoft.

And they’re being service Google, of course, other major search engines, Baidu, and see what technologies they are publicly saying they’re working on, which means that they’ve already got it some version of working internally, and we just have to catch up.

There are three areas of technology to pay attention to.

Number one is improvements in multilingual natural language processing.

There is a strong bias in natural language processing, towards the English language, even though English is not the language that the majority of the world’s population does things like searching, right, you have a billion and a half Chinese people.

You have a billion and change Indian people who speak Hindi or do in various dialects.

You have all these other languages in the world.

But search engines in the past have not been real good about improving their technologies to cover multiple languages as well as they do English because again, so many of the technology companies are based in America, and there is a definite bias towards the English language.

But we are seeing massive changes.

on that front, we’ve had really happen for a couple of years now.

These massively pre trained models that companies are releasing like Google’s Bert, and opening eyes GPTG.

And many of these other ones are starting to really, really do incredible stuff at the multiple language layer, particularly.

Google’s birth, having pre trained models in different languages is a huge step forward for any region where English is not the dominant language.

If you’re an SEO practitioner, and you care about or want to do business, in markets, where English is not the dominant language, you have a unique opportunity to leap forward, if you can also use these models to predict and forecast the types of content that you need to create in order to take advantage of a local market.

So that’s number one.

Number two, Google released some research earlier this year on question answering, and the ability for a, an algorithm and AI algorithm to naively interpret a question and and provide a solid answer.

And that usually means it was not specifically trained for just that task.

It’s just given a bunch of questions, and it has to go and find matches have answers to those questions.

Now, what does that mean for SEO? Well, obviously, it means that Google is looking at answering questions in their entirety.

Where do we see this? Of course, we see this with things like Google Assistant on Google Home and stuff like that.

When you say, okay, Google, you don’t say an seo keyword phrase, you say, okay, Google, when is the barber shop down the street open? Right, that is a full language construct, as opposed to barber shop hours near me.

Right? You don’t say that when you talk to a smart assistant smart assistance, I’ve taken over a huge chunk of the search market.

So because we know that question answering is a big deal, if you are not doing your research on question answering and building language that can answer questions and having it be indexed.

Incredible, you’re missing an opportunity.

You can double dip on this stuff, right? You can build a page or a series of pages, the answer the question and its entirety, plus variations, plus the keywords.

You just have to do that at scale.

Because now instead of trying to predict, you know, barber shop hours near me, you have to forecast and predict and understand the language that people are going to use to ask about the barber shop near stem.

So you has an SEO practitioner have to dig in super, super detailed, and use machine learning to create rational question constructs that you then have to provide answers for.

I would not be surprised if one or more SEO vendors comes up with a system that programmatically does this for you.

Keep an eye on the big players, right? I use our refs, there’s sem rush spy foo Mas, bright edge all these major companies should be offering these these technologies they already offer like basic questions, stuff, but pay, pay more attention to the questions features in each of these tools and start using them to create content at scale.

And the third thing is our master pre trained models, especially those that are looking at sentence level encoding.

Like, oh, Is that me? It’s a bunch of technology words.

sentence level and coding is a part of natural language processing that deals with the entities of language, I go back to what we’re talking about the difference between the question and the difference between a keyword.

He words are not how we speak.

We as humans speak in sentences.

For the most part, there are some politicians who can’t seem to put four words together, but there we speak in sentences.

And up until now, a lot of natural language processing software really has done a focus on words, which they call total guns, or combinations of words called n grams.

And now we’re looking really at sentences and paragraphs and larger language constructs as these tools gain more attention to type of network or awareness of the context in which these phrases exist.

And so you as an SEO practitioner need to be skilling up on your technology to be looking at tools that can deal with sentences and paragraphs as opposed to words and phrases.

So that’s what’s coming in 2020.

That’s what’s happening now that you need to be catching up for in 2020.

If you want to be the most advanced, the most impactful, the highest revenue generating and most result dominating SEO practitioner.

That’s what you’re going to need to be working on between now and 2020.

So you got you got some time.

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September 9, 2019
Content Marketing World 2019 Recap
A few core themes stuck out from this year’s Content Marketing World:
– Social as we knew it is toast. Treat social as an ad channel.
– Content without strategy is noise. No surprise there.
– SEO has retaken center stage in importance to content marketers.
– Analytics and effective use of data still elude most marketers.

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In today’s episode of recapping content marketing world 2019, there were a number of very common themes, as we talked about in previous episodes, throughout the event this year.

The basics, things like content that’s worth reading content that’s worth enjoying content that’s audience centric.

Those have been ongoing themes for content marketing for years now.

And the the fact that they are still themes means that people aren’t doing them, no surprise there.

So that’s one.

A big theme that was in many of the keynotes, and listening to many of the speakers is that social media as we knew it, is toast, the idea of just post it and they will come.

And the other to get something for nothing is toast.

From a strategy perspective, you should be treating social media as an advertising channel, just like you tweet, Google ads as an advertising channel, or YouTube ads, or whatever.

If you want to play you must pay on social media, you don’t necessarily pay a lot, but something for nothing is over on that front.

And your strategy should reflect that.

Search Engine Optimization, organic search engine optimization has really taken center stage in part because the the free lunch of social media has has largely come to an end.

And so many of the sessions, a lot of the content, a lot of the focus at content marketing world was really about creating content that is fundable.

What’s changed for a lot of folks is that because people took their eye off the ball on search for a number of years and focus on social media, much of their search knowledge is out of date.

Things like individual keywords are not the thing anymore.

I know in my own work, we’ve been spending a lot of time with machine learning using natural language processing to try and better understand how the search engines and their machine learning and artificial intelligence create rankings.

And so for many SEO practitioners who are a little rusty a little dusty, it is time to re skill up on what modern SEO is now.

And modern SEO means extensive use of data, and extensive use of machine learning and AI.

You can’t do SEO today without it.

Now, the good news is for many marketers who are just jumping in or jumping back in many of the tools that are on the market now are beginning to incorporate machine learning into their own processing.

And so you won’t have have to necessarily do a lot of the heavy lifting on your own just have to find a reputable SEO tool.

I use our reps.

Number of other folks use things like Ma’s or sem rush, or spy food, take your pick based on on your budget and your and your specific requirements.

But those are the major vendors that are well known and, and respected for what they do with development.

And again, as we’ve seen many, many years at many, many events, analytics and effective use of data still elude most marketers, marketing departments and companies, there’s just not enough used of the data.

And I think that’s going to be a perpetual battle.

because of two reasons one, churn as new employees come in, they don’t have the institutional knowledge and most companies don’t have effective training.

And to as you can imagine, a marketer’s knowledge and then the field analytics, the field of analytics is advancing this fast and marketers, even those who have good professional development advancing this fast and so the two when you put them together, the data side of things is just accelerating so much faster.

So there’s there’s that those are the major four themes at content marketing world and in chatting with a couple of folks on the influencer marketing side listening to what they’re doing with influencer marketing, I thought was very interesting on influencer marketing is that it is going to be much less about loud mouth because again, social media is organic reach is increasingly declining, doesn’t kind of oxymoron.

And curated communities are very much on the rise, whether it’s slack groups, Facebook groups, for those folks who were foolish enough to build on Facebook’s land, email lists and email newsletters.

Those folks who have the asset of reliably reachable audiences will be taking the influencer crown because they are the folks who can still get an audience to do something.

When you if you have a million friends or followers, whatever on Instagram, but only 1% see your posts.

That 1 million number doesn’t do much for a brand.

If no one ever sees the content.

But if you have a million people on your email newsletter, a your email marketing goals are really high.

But be you have much more reliable reach.

And it doesn’t have to be email can be a text messaging list of people’s mobile phone numbers.

If you have permission to text them.

It can be a private chat group, slack discord, any of these newer digital communities.

That’s where reliable reaches going to come into play.

So one of the things to think about in your marketing is how much reliable reach do you have? How much reliable reach do your influencers have? Can you measure it? Are you tagging things correctly, to give credit to the influencers and collaborators you’re working with? And if you’re not, now would be the time to start because that is as far as I can tell the way the wind is blowing.

The free lunches are over.

You need to build your own first party communities and you need to build relationships with people who have reliable reach.

So some some final wrap up thoughts there from content marketing world overall, terrific event.

Special thanks go out to Robert rose and Andrew Eric and Stephanie stall and Cathy Mike Phillips and the entire CM World Team for having me it was a fantastic fun, enjoyed sharing my thoughts on artificial intelligence and the way things are going and look forward to coming back again next year.

And sharing what’s new in a who knows what it’s going to be.

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September 6, 2019
Content Marketing World Day 1 Recap
A recap of day 1, workshop day, at Content Marketing World and a few takeaways from the AI workshop I led.

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Each day to content marketing, and some reflections on yesterday’s workshop on artificial intelligence, one of the questions that came up a lot in the workshop was where do we get this technology? Where do we get this? The use of AI and some of the techniques demonstrated? And the answer is always two parts, right? So either build or buy.

But buying a lot of the specific techniques that work the best is very difficult these days, because of the nature of computational costs.

Most AI is being worked into into software, which makes sense.

But the catch is, software provider, desperately SAS software providers have computational requirements they have to meet, they have to their apps have to be fast, we’ve gotten so comfortable, as a society with instant everything that the idea of pushing a button and waiting for a result, five or 10, or 15 minutes is uncomfortable it it’s offensive to some people.

And so what happens then, is that SAS providers, use the cheapest algorithms possible to make their applications faster, which is fine from a user experience perspective, but from a data integrity, and best result, perspective is not so good.

So in many cases, if you want to be able to use the cutting edge, and to get the best quality, you do have to either build it yourself or, or work with a service provider that sets that expectation that Yeah, you’re going to give us the data and you’ll get an answer, but not right now.

Like, not quickly, in my own work with with customers are trusted insights that they understand up front, you give us the pile of data and will process and we’ll get back to you with the results.

But it’s not.

We don’t have an app, we don’t have software that’s meant for the end user specifically, because there’s so many limitations on the compute computational costs to make it work well, that is, it’s better for the customer, to just hand over the data and then come back later and do something else in the meantime.

And then for those folks who are going to use this technology for their core competency, you, you must build it, you must vote because it’s going to be part of your secret sauce, it’s going to be part of how you do this business, and how you market to the customer better, or make better product for the customer.

And that’s something you don’t want a vendor to own.

Right, you want that to be in house.

The other thing that was interesting was that the workshop was originally intended to be an advanced workshop, where people would come in and walk away with a functional piece of code.

We’re going to use IBM Watson studio for that.

But a lot of folks had no coding experience.

And so we had to table that idea until maybe a few years down the road when folks have got some experience with these technologies.

You don’t need to know how to code.

But it sure does help.

It’s like you need to learn how to cook.

You can eat takeout at restaurants all the time, and pre packaged foods.

But if you want to know how the food is actually made, you need to know how to cook.

If you want to be sure about the ingredients of food, you need to know how to cook.

If you are concerned about portion size, or calories, or sodium or allergens, you need to learn how to cook.

And the same thing is true in machine learning and artificial intelligence.

If you’re okay with a vendor just doing it all for you, and you don’t know how they got their results.

Use that.

If you have regulatory requirements that necessitate that you be able to explain to an auditor, here’s how this works.

Or have a service provider that can provide the code to the auditors and here’s how this works.

You need to build it, or you need to have interpreted code.

One of the interesting phenomena right now, in machine learning is interpreter ability versus explain ability.

Explain ability is where you tell an auditor, for example.

What happened after the code has been written, here’s what it did interpret ability is let’s step through the code and show you each individual piece of what it does.

interpreter ability is how you can very easily find things like bias, explain ability is much harder to do explain ability is is computationally cheaper, and faster.

So when you see a lot of companies, especially big tech companies saying explain ability is our goal with AI means that they’re not willing to take the performance penalty for interpret ability.

And so there are some compliance issues with that as well.

So things to think about.

Overall, the workshop was fantastic, had a lot of fun with folks explaining how things work.

And at the end of it, I think I hope that people got some value out of it, and can now speak to their organizations about ways they could be or should be using artificial intelligence within their marketing processes.

There’s still a long road to go for a lot of companies, they’re still stuck in that data fundamental stage.

And that’s going to be the case for a long time.

One of the points I made was that journey to AI is not overnight.

It’s not.

It’s like you don’t earn top, SEO rank or night, it takes a long time to get there.

The same is true of doing AI Well, you have to take a lot of time and accomplish all the prerequisites in order to be able to do it well.

So be patient.

If you’re on the journey, be 30 because the more thorough you are, the better the outcome will be.

And and learn as much as you can about how the individual pieces are changing and the journey as you embark on.

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September 4, 2019

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