Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • You Ask, I Answer: How to Use AI for Customer Service?

    You Ask, I Answer: How to Use AI for Customer Service?

    Amy asks, “How can we use AI to improve customer service? What are some ways to practically implement it?”

    Customer service is everything from the purchase onwards in the customer journey, and companies are faced with dual mandates: make service better, but make service cheaper. What are some practical applications of AI? The keys will be around the two fundamental types of problems AI solves best: understanding and predicting.

    Understand:
    – What customers are saying to you, especially in non-text channels (but also text, like mining your CRM)
    – What customers to each other, from social conversation to search intent
    – What the profile of our MVCs is

    From our understanding, we will predict:
    – What customers will be high need vs. low need, and positive vs. negative
    – What customers will have the highest lifetime value
    – When customer needs will be highest

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    In today’s episode, Amy asks, How can we use AI to improve customer service? What are some ways to practically implemented customer service? Let’s start by defining that customer service is everything from the purchase moment onwards. So from the moment the purchase, the customer gives their credit card says, this is the thing that I want b2b, b2c doesn’t matter. And everything after that in the customer journey is customer service. So that means ownership, which is things like warranty and service and support to loyalty, which is and retention, which is all about making sure that the your your product or service still continues to deliver value to the customer. And ideally, ideally, value continues to increase longer the customer own something. And of course, evangelism, helping the customer if they’re happy to talk about owning the product or service and looking for people who are having those conversations already. So those are the things that we’re going to lump under customer service. Companies traditionally have had dual mandates when it comes to customer service and not necessarily good ones, the dual mandates are of course makes service better. But in a lot of cases, companies have been tasked with making service cheaper, because corporations see it as a cost center rather than a value center. Now as models of attribution analysis get better. We’re starting to see people thinking about customer service as a driver of up sells, for example, particularly in b2b if a customer is happy, they’ll buy more from you are FM analysis and techniques like that help with that. But there are still a lot of companies are stuck in the old mindset of sort of customer services, just a cost, keep the cost is low as possible, instead of making the customer deliriously happy. And they’ll buy more and recommend more. So what are some practical applications of artificial intelligence in this space? The key to the application of AI and machine learning and specific revolves around the two fundamental tasks that they would be tackling which is understanding and predicting to understand we would use machine learning to dig into things like what our customers saying about us, especially in in social conversations, and then search intent. For example, if I am an owner of a whirlpool washing machine, and I’m looking up a whirlpool warranty or Whirlpool, whatever error code, guess what, I have some service issues, right, I have some support issues that I need to have resolved. If I own CRM software, I’m looking for the for how to do a certain thing. Sir, type that into Google, I would want as if I was the company, I would want to be using machine learning to analyze the data and understand relationships between different types of searches, relationships between searches and social conversations, at what point does somebody stop searching and start complaining? Those are all things that I wouldn’t want to know. I would want to know what are the profile of our most valuable customer is what using techniques like clustering, categorization, dimension reduction, what are those, the the aspects or the variables of a most valuable customer, and that goes way beyond traditional RF m analysis. Traditional our FM analysis just looks at you know, recency of purchase frequency of purchase monetary value of purchases, and that’s okay. But if you have the ability, with machine learning to look at 100, 200, 300 dimensions of the customer, their demographics, the psycho graphics firma graphics, and you can then put together a real comprehensive picture that customer you should. And most of all, this is where machine learning is a shining beacon customer service, it is understanding what customers are saying to our companies, especially in non tech channels, I did a project recently, for a company where they said a 17,000 recorded calls in an audio format from their call center. And we had a I transcribed them and then had AI, digest that down to understand what are the key issues that these customers were calling about. But you don’t have to use advanced stuff like that. Even just mining, the data within your CRM is so valuable, and companies don’t do it. What’s in your customer service inbox, customers, companies just don’t look at that. And you can use AI to understand

    once you understand, then you can predict things the kinds of things you want to predict, for example, would be what customers are high need versus low need. If you have to reduce costs and customer service, you definitely want to know hire low need and who is high and low value, right? So what are the types of if a customer is high need and low value, and you have the ability to predict that type of customer, you can say let’s not market to those people versus low need high value let’s market to those people as much as we can use machine learning to isolate, understand and build a model for predicting that based on

    characteristics of data that you get, you can predict what customers have the highest lifetime value.

    Again, if you go beyond our FM and your understanding, and then build a models who predict this customer matches 42 of the 46 high value indicators, let’s make sure that, you know we we target them really, really cleverly and smartly so that we win their business. And finally, now what are the what are the types of sentiment in conversations? And can you create a model of cases that were resolved successfully versus cases is that we’re not resolved successfully? If there are things like sentiment and tone in conversations that people are having with the chat bot with the operator with the customer service forms? Can you predict when something’s going to go off the rails and intercept that early on, so that you that that person never gets to the stage where they cause a PR incident for example. So those are understanding predict the two basic use cases for machine learning and AI that will help customer service get better. You can do this with the data you have today. What you have may be messy, it may need to be structured and cleaned up and engineered but the beauty is most companies have been collecting this data. It’s in your customer service inbox is in your CRM, it’s in your call center. You just haven’t been using it if you’d like help course I company trust insights will be happy to help with that. So great question. important question, important question and one we’re not talking about enough. As always if you have any follow on comments, please leave in the comments below. Please subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter. I’ll talk to you soon. want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. Visit trust insights.ai today and let us know how we can help you

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Unintentional Bias in Data Science and ML?

    You Ask, I Answer: Unintentional Bias in Data Science and ML?

    Chacha asks, “Is there such a thing as unintentional bias?”

    This is an interesting question. Bias itself is a neutral concept – it simply means our data leans in one direction or another. Sometimes that’s a positive – there’s a definite bias of people in my Slack group, Analytics for Marketers, towards people who love analytics and data. Other times, bias is a negative, such as redlining, the practice of willfully excluding certain populations from your business based on broad characteristics like race, religion, or sexual orientation. In machine learning in particular, there’s tons of unintended bias, bias that occurs when we don’t give our machines strict enough guidelines about what we want our models to do or not do.

    Unintended means it wasn’t part of our design, part of a conscious choice on our part. There will be bias; the question is, what is its impact, and do we then keep it or disregard it?

    Most bias can be mitigated at either the feature engineering stage or the model backtesting stage if we know to look for it. The greater question is, are we looking for it? This is where the science in data science comes into play.

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    In today’s episode tchotchke asks, Is there such a thing as unintentional bias? This is an interesting question. Yes, there is. bias is itself sort of a neutral. A moral concept me has no moral basis period. It simply means that our data leans in one direction or another. It has a skew or a a deviancy off this the central tendency, sometimes that’s a positive. For example, there’s a definite bias in my slack group analytics for marketers towards people who like analytics and data, right? That would make logical sense and that bias is intentional, and unintended, unintentional bias, and that is that statistically, if I look at the number of people who are in the group and their inferred gender, it leans female, that was unintentional. At no point did I are the trusted Insights Team say we want to focus just on this particular expressed gender. Other times, bias is a negative, such as the practice of redlining of practice, from the dating all the way back to the 1930s, when banking and insurance companies took out a map and drew red lines around certain parts of cities where they didn’t want to do business with people in those in those parts of the city based on broad characteristics, like race, or religion, or sexual orientation. And those that, again, is unintentional bias when you do the red lining, but there is plenty of unintentional bias where you say, I want to isolate, maybe people who have a lower income from my marketing. But that has comes with a whole bunch of socio economic characteristics, which do include things like race and religion and sexual orientation. So that would be unintentional bias. in machine learning. In particular, there’s a ton of unintended bias bias that occurs when we are not thoughtful enough about the choices we make in our data. And we when we don’t give our machines strict enough guidelines about what we want our models to do or not do. A key part of data science and machine learning today is asking yourself throughout the process, what are the ways that this can go wrong? is a very popular subreddit called what could go wrong? It’s a, you know, silly videos and stuff. But that key question is one that not enough people ask all the time, and then marketing, what could go wrong? If I build a list that is is cold from these data sources? What could go wrong? What What could go wrong in that data? What could go wrong in that analysis? What could go wrong in those insights? What could go wrong in our strategy? That is something that we’re not thinking about enough. Remember, the unintended bias means it wasn’t part of our design, it wasn’t part of a conscious choice that we made on our part, there’s always going to be a bias in our data sets. The questions that we have to ask our Is this a conscious decision we’re making? And if so, is it legal? What is the impact of an unintended bias? If we do discover one? And then assuming that it is legal and ethical? Do we keep it or disregard it? So again, if I see a bias towards a certain gender in my email list? What is the impact? Do we keep it? Do we disregard it? What are those things that that matter? The other thing we have to consider is that most bias can be mitigated, not eliminated, but it can be mitigated, the impact can be reduced. At a couple of different points in the machine learning pipeline in our data science pipeline, one is at the feature engineering stage. And when we are deciding what characteristics to keep or exclude from our data, we have to make decisions about if there’s a bias there, should we keep it or not?

    There is a I’ve heard some less skilled machine learning practitioners say, Oh, well, if, if gender is a concern, then we just delete that column. And then the machine can’t create features from that characteristic. And that’s a really bad thing to do. Because by taking gender out of your training data, then allows the machine to create inferred variables, which can be functionally the equation agenda, but you can’t see them. Right, if you know, if you have, for example, all the likes of somebody on Facebook, they know the movies, the books, the music, that they like, guess what, your machine can very easily create infer gender, and ethnicity and different sexual orientation with a high degree of accuracy. So instead, the best practices becoming, keeping those characteristics which the law deems is protected, and telling machines, these are the acceptable parameters from which the model may not deviate. For example, if you have, let’s say, you’re doing, I don’t know ROI on on your data set, and your and your machine spits out and says hey, the ROI of a certain religion is higher or lower, based on on that person’s religion, you can specify to the machine that people who are no Rastafarians must have the same outcome must be treated the same as people who identify as I know, pasta, Aryans, right. And so you can you can tell the machine, you must know this characteristic exists. And then you must treat it equally, he must not give a different outcome to somebody based on a protected class. So that’s an important part of that. So feature engineering is one of those stages where we can decide what key features to keep, and then mitigate bias within them. And this software like IBM is open scale that can actually you can declare those classes and say, you may not deviate from Express set out guard rails on your model. And the second is on that model back testing stage, where you are testing out your code to see what results that spits out. And that’s when you as a human have to QA the code and say, it looks like there’s a bias here, it looks like there’s a bias here, it looks like there’s a bias here, we can keep that one, we can’t keep that one. But you’ve got to be looking for it. And that’s where data science and statistics really come into play. And where a lot of folks who are new to machine learning and maybe talk about that crash course in in machine learning thing. Can they come up more coders than they do? still having a statistical background? As a result, they’re not thinking asked how could this data be misused? How could this data go wrong? How could we create unintentional biases that we then have to deal with later on? So there absolutely is such a thing as unintentional bias. And frankly, most of the time for most people in most situations, most bias is unintentional. We just have to know for it. Note note to look for it, ask how could this go wrong? And then mitigate it either and feature engineering model back testing. And this is something that marketers in particular have to be very careful about because marketers have a lot of personally identifiable information. And marketers tend not to be trained in statistics and data science to be looking for these biases. So when we use marketing automation tools to help us optimize our marketing, we also have to be asking, Are these tools creating biases behind the scenes that we do or do not want? So something to keep in mind there? Great question. important question. And if you want to learn more about the ethics side of this, I recommend picking up the free copy of Dr. Hillary Mason and Michael Keaton his book called ethics and data science. You can find it on Amazon as part of Kindle Unlimited, and I believe it’s zero dollar cost too. So make sure you pick up a copy of that book. It’s a really, really important read if you’re doing any kind of work with personally identifiable information. As always, please leave any questions do you have in the comments below, and subscribe to the YouTube channel in the newsletter, I’ll talk to you soon. want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. Visit trust insights.ai today and let us know how we can help you

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Will Automated Machine Learning Make Data Scientists Obsolete?

    You Ask, I Answer: Will Automated Machine Learning Make Data Scientists Obsolete?

    Sheedeh asks, “Will new advances like automated machine learning make data scientists obsolete?”

    Most definitely not, though I can understand why that’s a concern. AI is currently automating a fair number of tasks that data scientists do, but those tasks are relatively low value. I’ve had a chance to test out a bunch of automated machine learning frameworks like IBM’s AutoAI and H2O’s AutoML. The new features are time savers for data scientists, but cannot do what data scientists do. One of the key areas where automated machine learning is, and for the foreseeable future, will fall short is around feature engineering. Watch the video for full details.

    Recall that there are 5 key types of feature engineering:

    • Feature extraction – machines can easily do stuff like one-hot encoding or transforming existing variables
    • Feature estimation and selection – machines very easily do variable/predictor importance
    • Feature correction – fixing anomalies and errors which machines can partly do, but may not recognize all the errors (especially bias!)
    • Feature creation – the addition of net new data to the dataset – is still largely a creative task
    • Feature imputation – is knowing what’s missing from a dataset and is far, far away from automation

    The last two are nearly impossible for automated machine learning to accomplish. They require vast domain knowledge to accomplish. Will automated machine learning be able to do it? Maybe. But not in a timeline that’s easily foreseen.

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    In today’s episode she asks Will new advances like automated machine learning, make data scientists obsolete? Most definitely not. Though, I can understand why that would be a concern because obviously, automated machine learning makes many promises like it’ll speed up your your AI pipeline, it will make your company faster, data scientists are expensive, and so on, so forth. But a lot of the promises that they’re being marketed about AI, automated AI are falling really short. AI is and should be automating a fair number of tasks that data scientists do. But those tasks are the low value. And one hot encoding a table is a low value task from the perspective of if you’re paying 300, 400 $500,000 a year for this person, having them encode a table is something that a machine should definitely do, it’s not the best use of the time. And a lot of these newer automated frameworks, make the promise that they’ll handle everything for you, you just put in the data and magic happens. I’ve had a chance to test out a bunch of these frameworks. These automated machine learning frameworks, IBM is auto AI, h2o is auto ml remixes auto ml. And the features that are in these toolkits are time savers, for sure, for data scientists, but they can’t replace a data scientist. They can augment they can reduce some of the repetitive tasks, the low value stuff, but they’re not a replacement for the person. I’ll give you an example one of the key areas where automated machine learning really falls short. And will for the foreseeable future is around feature engineering. feature engineering is a fancy term in data science for essentially, college in a table, right, so if you have a spreadsheet, it’s the columns in your spreadsheet. And there’s five key types of feature engineering, some machines can do, well, some can’t. As an example, let’s let’s imagine a table with four features, right? The date that you brewed a cup of coffee, the temperature of the coffee, what being type used, you know, Colombian or Nicaraguan whatever, and an outcome was a good cup of coffee or not. And you want to know what makes for a good cup of coffee, we’ve got a table with four features, it’s not a whole lot of data to build a model on feature engineering is all about creating and updating and tuning your data so that you can build a better model. And that model can then be used to predict whether the next cup of coffee you’re about to brew is going to be good or not. Right. So we have date, temperature being variety, and outcome was it a good couple. So the five areas of feature engineering, number one is extraction. This is where machines really shine easy to do. If you have the date that you brewed a cup of coffee, one of the things in there, you have the day of the of the week, you have the day, you have the day of the month, the day of the year, the day of the quarter, you have the week of the year, you have the quarter, you have the month, you have the hour, the minute, the second, and so on, so forth. So you can expand that one field into a bunch of new fields. This is called feature extraction. And it is something that machines can do super well. So you could take that date and explode it, maybe there’s maybe the hour of the day that you were a cup of coffee matters, we don’t know. But you could you could expand that.

    The second type of feature engineering is called feature estimation. And this is where you it’s called predictor importance or variable importance. Let’s say that you expand that date field, all those possible variations. And then you run a machine learning model. With the desired outcome being it was a good cup of coffee does day of the week matter. When you run the model, the machine can spit back estimations of important that say no day doesn’t matter. But our the day does, so can help you tune that. So feature estimation helps you tune your table to avoid adding crap to it all jumbled. All sorts of silly stuff, again, something that machines can do very, very easily. feature correction is the third area. And that is where you’re trying to fix anomalies and errors. machines can partly do that, right? So if there’s a missing date, like you forgot to record a cup of coffee One day, a machine can identify that, again, that’s missing. But they’re getting they’re getting better at but they’re still not great at detecting things like bias, right. So for example, being variety is one of the beans that is one of the features we’re talking about in this this fictional table. If you only buy Columbian coffee, guess what, you got a bias in your data, the machine may not necessarily see that as an anomaly, or as a bias. Like, hey, you only bought one kind of coffee here this whole time. So the the the the feature estimating mattress a this feature doesn’t matter. Well, if you know anything about coffee, bean varietals matters a whole lot. But if you’ve only tested one kind, you got a bias in your data and the machine won’t know to detect that, in fact, they’ll come up with the wrong answer and tell you to delete that column. The fourth area is feature creation.

    This is

    a creative task, being able to to create net new features on a table. So say we have been a variety in there, a machine can look at the data set. And if you got Colombian and a Nicaraguan and all this stuff, it can categorize that, but it can’t add net new data, like an easy thing for us to do would be to add the price that we paid for that can of beans. machine doesn’t know to ask for that he doesn’t even know how to get that doesn’t know that it exists, we, as the humans would need to create that feature, we need to bring in additional outside data was not in the data set in order to create it. So feature creation very difficult for machines, do you need domain expertise to do that, and a follow on Fifth aspect of feature engineering is feature amputation, which is, you know, as the expert, what’s missing from the data set, right. So for example, you brewed that cup of coffee, you got the temperature of the cup of coffee, great. I know as someone who drinks coffee, that there is depending on the carpet served in depending on the time of day, the ambient temperature, there is a lag time between the time was brewed, and the time you put it to your mouth and start drinking it. How long was that time, it’s not the data set. And it’s and you as a data scientist need to know, hey, if somebody let this cup of coffee, sit on the counter for 10 minutes, it’s gonna be a very different temperature that comes right off of the machine. But that is again, knowing what’s missing from the data set cooling time is missing from the data set completely. And so as a domain expert in coffee, you would know this needs to be in there. And so automated machine learning can make the most of the data that you provided. But it can’t really do a great job of detecting bias. It can’t do bring in new data for feature creation and it can’t really can’t do feature amputation. So a lot of these automated machine learning frameworks if you hear companies saying this will this will you know, this is magic all you need to do is putting your data and the rest leave it to the machines? Nope. It will speed up your data process science it will speed up your machine learning it will speed up the outcomes that you get it will make life easier for your data scientists but it is not a replacement. And this is a good example in general of what AI can and cannot do. So will Am I concerned the automated machine learning is going to make data scientists obsolete No. cup of coffee is is a very simple example of just how how off the rails that can go. So good question. important question is the important question to ask. And the answer is you still need data scientist for the foreseeable future. As always, please leave your comments below and please subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter I’ll talk to you soon. want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. Visit trust insights.ai today and let us know how we can help you

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Machine Learning and Consumer Sentiment?

    You Ask, I Answer: Machine Learning and Consumer Sentiment?

    Denis asks, “How do you think AI will be applied to better understand consumer sentiments?”

    Sentiment analysis continues to substantially improve in machine learning, in natural language processing, as our technology improves. We’ve gone from very simple, frequently wrong approaches such as bag of words to very fast, complex systems like vectorization, all the way to the state of the art with deep learning methods. Additionally, new techniques and methods like active learning help our models get better and faster.

    So why don’t we see this progress in marketing tools? Watch the video for the answer.

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    In today’s episode, Dennis asks, How do you think AI will be applied to better understand consumer sentiment? sentiment analysis is a field where it’s part of machine learning, it’s part of natural language processing. And it is, it has changed and improved substantially in the last year, we have seen some major leaps forward in machine learning when it comes to being able to do more with language generate language, to be able to recreate very human like language, our technology has vastly improved. Just as a bit of history, machine learning and natural language processing used to be very primitive, the most common methodology used back in the old days, like two years ago, was like bag of words where you would have certain words, those words would have sentiments attached to them. There’s a very famous natural language processing libraries that did this, where you’d have words like hate versus love. And that approach was OK, ish. But it really did a poor job of understanding any kind of context, you could, you could say things like, I love the club, baby seals, right? That would be a positive sentiment. But we know every human perspective, that’s that’s a pretty awful negative kind of thing. More has changed on that front bag of words, it’s still used by a lot of software, particularly in the marketing space. But it is, it is largely dedicated by people who are doing natural language processing work. More complex stuff is stuff like vector ization, where you have technology that understands not only the word, but the context around it, the mathematical co occurrences of words, you could say, you would be able to see things that I don’t love, or I don’t hate, and have them be treated as contiguous entities, rather than separate, discrete words. And with vector ization, that then opens up the path to really complex language models, using deep learning methods where machines understand and part and process at the word level, at the phrase level, at the sentence level, paragraph level, and ultimately, the document level understanding how the relationships between these different entities change and grow over time. And that’s where natural language processing today is doing a fantastic job. By having those multiple levels of understanding, we can get very close to truly understand the context of what somebody writes in, like consumer view, or what they say in a video, or what they said in an email, or what someone noted in a CRM, that natural language processing is as really advanced. And there are some newer tools, even newer tools today, things like active learning that are helping, our models get better much faster, because instead of writing a model, and then just being done with it, the machines now are flagging things where they say this, this is a low probability, low confidence entry here, and it will raise his hand say, human help me interpret this, you score this one, you score this exception to most of the rules I’ve come up with. And then it’ll reintegrate our feedback. And use that to keep training improving as models. So active learning, really helping change and improve the game for natural language processing. Which leads you to the logical question, why are we not seeing this progress in marketing tools? Why is it that so many marketing tools are still stuck in 2005, or 2010? When it comes to a lot of these techniques? Well, the answer is cost. And it’s, there’s a couple of different dimensions of cost. One is the cost to include techniques like this in your software, you need someone who knows how to write this code. And that’s a big part. But a bigger part and a part that isn’t talked about a lot is compute cost. Doing deep learning requires big heavy hardware, like GPUs to process quickly, and that the cost of that is starting to come down. But it is still fairly expensive to run that type of compute compared to a bag of words approach, which is a very cheap form of compute. Which means that if you are a software vendor that is making SAS based software, which is the majority of marketing tools, Software as a Service, there’s nothing you download, there’s nothing against all you just go to a website and it and you put in your credentials, and it does the thing.

    in an environment like that, companies have a mandate to keep compute as cheap as possible. So that it scales to as many users as possible. If you have very expensive compute techniques, you can get a slow application very, very soon sooner than you expect. And so those two things, lack of knowledge, and the scalability, are really prohibiting the inclusion of these techniques in major mainstream marketing tools. Now, I think over time, that will change as compute costs continue to drop year after year. And then it’s just the lack of knowledge. And that I think, will eventually be overcome by startups, disrupting spaces. And then being bought by the big players and having the the startup technology integrated into the big players, tools and techniques, that you can get a jump on this by building your own software by building your own tools. Because what is computationally expensive for a software company to deploy to millions of users, is computationally very cheap for you or me to run on a laptop. Right? If you have a modern laptop, and you have the your own natural language processing code, is it a big deal for you to run a piece of software that does natural language assessment in 10 or 15 minutes now you do that your computer gets warm, the fans run a little bit and you go out maybe get a cup of coffee or something come back and and it’s done. That’s not a big deal to us. That’s a huge deal. That’d be a business ending problem for a software company. But for you and me, because we are effective distributing the problem across many computers, I do my version on my computer, you do your version on your computer, it’s not a big deal. So if you want to get a jump on competitors, if you want to get a jump on software companies waiting for them to catch up. Just close that knowledge gap by hiring by creating by buying the software to run in house, on your machines to do this kind of processing, and then you’ll have your answers way before anybody else. So give that some thought. give that some thought. This is a good question Denison it how do we apply this technique? It’s pretty obvious once you understand the consumer sentiment, you can use that information to change what you’re doing let’s make people unhappy and do more of the things that make people happy. That’s that’s the the the use case for consumer sentiment. The hard part is getting accurate sentiment. But good question. As always, please leave your comments in the comments box below. And please subscribe to the YouTube channel on the newsletter I’ll talk to you soon. want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. This is trust insights.ai today and let us know how we can help you

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Starting Marketing Data?

    You Ask, I Answer: Starting Marketing Data?

    Magdalena asks, “If you have a new company or a new startup in marketing, how do you get started with no data?”

    This is a common question not only for new companies, but also for people new to a role who are coming into an organization where data may not be trustworthy or analytics software may not be configured correctly. As such, it’s effectively the same as starting something brand new. The starting point for a marketing initiative without data is to go get third-party data until you have enough of your own to build successful models. Watch the video for some useful tips about where to get that data.

    Top data sources for marketers:

    • Search data through tools like AHREFs
    • Public social media data through tools like Talkwalker and Brand24
    • Public data repositories like data.world, data.gov, and Kaggle
    • Survey data you collect
    • Other harvestable data you have rights to

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    In today’s episode, Magdalena asks, If you have a new company or a new startup in marketing, how do you get started with no data? This is a very common question. And not only for new companies or new startups, although certainly that’s probably the most common case was the case when Katie Rivera and I started up trust insights a little over a year ago. But it’s also a situation that is common for people who are coming into a an organization where the data may not be reliable, may not be trustworthy, your analytic software may not be configured correctly. And so you are effectively still starting from ground zero. So how do you deal with a situation like this? Well, the first thing to do, of course, is to immediately fix up and start collecting good data. So if you come into an organization or a startup, or whatever the case may be, and you don’t have the basics in place like Google Analytics, Google Tag Manager and a Google Data Studio, all the things that are essential for today’s marketing, you clearly want to do that. First, you want to start collecting data as quickly as you can. After you’ve gotten the basics of your own data underway, the next step is to start bringing in credible third party data to supplement your own data until you have enough of your own to build successful models. So there are a number of different data sources that are available to marketers that regardless of when you start in a in a company or an organization, the data is already out there, it’s already good or good enough. And you can begin building models and understanding intent and things like that from that data. So what are those data sources? Number one, search data is essential. Search data is essential, because generally speaking, people are searching for things around the clock, anywhere in the world that they have internet access. And that data is typically highly structured if you’re using from a very simple tool like Google Trends to sophisticated SEO tools like RFID, which is the one that I recommend, and they are a participating sponsor of marketing over coffee. So disclosure, they do spend money with us. You can download massive amounts of SEO data search data, what terms of being most searched for what keywords, what phrases, what topics, what articles, what, what’s any kind of information that is URL based, you can get from professional SEO tools. And that information is typically very good at being longitudinal meaningful, get a get it over time. And it is highly structured, it comes out in beautiful, you know, CSV, or spreadsheets, and you can begin working with it immediately. So for any marketer, I would say search data is where you have to start. What are people searching for in your industry, I have never run into an industry where the intended audience never searched for anything that is never once happened yet. So that’s a good place to start. A second place would be public social media, data, conversations, topics, things like that. You can use tools like talk Walker, which I use a lot. And brand 24, which I also use a lot. Both of them are great tools for pulling social data about specific topics of discussion. Now, unlike search data, some industries, there won’t be a ton of social media data if if there are topics that frankly, are too sensitive to be discussed or may not be available in social media monitoring tools. Cyber Security is a really good example. A lot of the best discussions in cyber security don’t happen in public forums. They happen in private closed groups, and the unless you are a member of those groups already, you’re not getting it. So

    that’s a case where you will want to supplement it with other types of data. A third data repository, there are public data repositories out there like data dot world data.gov, which is a lot of us data, there’s a hundreds of thousands of data sets when the government isn’t shut down. And Cagle calm is another great resource. There’s a tons of great publicly available, licensed for public use data sets that you can download and walk through that. Although again, for almost every industry available, the exception there would be, there’s not a ton of sensitive national security data publicly available for very good reason. So that would be a case where you would have to resort to others the data sources. Number four is survey data you can collect and you should be collecting survey data on a regular frequent basis. Survey data is essential because it allows you to start asking people why, why are certain things important? We just ran a survey trust insights. One of our quarterly surveys asked people what their biggest pain point was and why. And it’s open, open open ended questions. Using stats tools like our and stuff, we can parse those open ended questions and turn them into structured data. But survey data is very, very useful. And if you’re coming into especially an organization where there are customers, as mailing list things, and there isn’t good analytical data survey data is a great way to get off to the races, because you can just send it to your organization’s database and say, Hey, what are the top issues on your mind, and that will give you some really useful insights and starting points. It can also be a way for you to validate the data you have asking people to update their profiles, for example, not only will you get obviously, those people who are still interested in communicating with you, but then you’ll be able to clean up some of your data. And finally, would be any other harvest double data that you have rights to. That can be things like podcast data that can be anything internal CRM data can be customer service data, there’s a good chance unless your company is literally brand new, that there is harvest of data within your organization to work with. Now, if you are completely and totally brand new, then other content marketing data may be useful other industry data may be useful. Almost every democratic society on the planet has a government that has publishing data that is available for download. And even frankly, some governments that are not democratic, still publish a lot of data that is accessible that you can work with. And you can practice with as well. So if you’re starting over if you’ve got something new from a data perspective, there’s a ton out there. Google for the magic term, the magic word when you Google for data is data set. So asking for data about for example, the laundry industry, you you wouldn’t necessarily just start like you know, laundry service data. You want laundry service data set one word, that data set word, because that’s something that folks who are compiling and publishing data tend to use more. So that’s a useful little tip to help you with that. So great question. It’s a frequent one. Remember that you are surrounded by data. There’s no shortage of it out there. You just have to know how to go find it, bring it in and start analyzing. As always, please leave comments in the comments box below. And subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter I’ll talk to you soon.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: What Makes Engaging Content?

    You Ask, I Answer: What Makes Engaging Content?

    Lisa asks, “Think about brands you (as a consumer) trust and engage with most often online. Why does their content prompt you to engage?”

    We’ve all read many answers to this question over the years, and in the end, a consistent answer does exist. For creators, we use the 3L framework. For consumers, we use the 3E framework. Watch the video for more.

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    In today’s episode Lisa asks, What makes for engaging content?

    we’ve answered this question generally for decades

    in marketing ever since really mass media became available. So the real question is what’s what general framework should people be using? And we have two of them the three L and the three Eva three, L is for the Creator, the three is for the consumer or someone who is auditing the content, they’re essentially mirrors of each other. The three outcome framework is very simple for content creators. When you’re creating content, did it make you laugh? Did you learn something when you’re putting together or do you love it so much that you can’t help but tell

    a friend or loved one significant other all about the content even if they don’t work at your company, things like that.

    So those would be the big three pieces of guidance that you use for any piece of content. Did these things happen? Now on the consumer side, on the brand side, did the content engage you meaning did it didn’t get you to do something?

    Did it make you laugh, did entertain you, and did it educate? Again, those are the mirror sides, if you as the creator did those things, those are the outcomes that the consumer of the content should have gotten from.

    The hardest part for a marketer is going to be honesty, self honesty, self awareness. If you as the marketer are creating the content, like I gotta get this thing out of this, got a deadline, stuff like that, and you just kind of put something out there that didn’t make you laugh. You don’t love it, and you didn’t learn anything.

    When you’re putting together then yes, it’s going to fall flat. That’s just you put together not the best content that you that you could have. And it is a tricky balancing act is very difficult to create quality, meaning it contains the three L’s and quantity meaning you get the deadlines and the deliverables out the door when you need to. So it is a tough balancing act. I totally get that. But that’s the benchmark. Now

    do you does it need to be stuff that makes you laugh does it need to be stuff that makes that you love? Not, not those exact emotions, it can be any type of emotional evocation.

    But for brand safety, one of the things that’s going to be difficult is creating content that

    you have to be cautious. If you make content that makes people think you’re gonna you’re going to create engaging content, but is that content that you necessarily want associated with the

    Brand possibly not. So, again, make sure that if you’re, if you’re going to try for emotions, from a brand safety perspective, it’s generally safe to err on the side of positive emotions rather than negative emotions. But it really does come down to that self honesty, that self awareness to say, Yep, I learned something when I put together this content or this content made me laugh, or I can’t wait to tell my, my friends, you’re you’re out at dinner with them, or you’re out drinking with them or whatever. And, and,

    and you say, Hey, I can’t wait to tell you about this piece of content I created at work.

    That’s the measure. That’s the high watermark that says Yep, I’ve made content I’m proud of so

    as a marketer, you can take this framework and print it out, you can hang it at your desk, all that stuff, but

    you got to be self aware. You gotta be honest with yourself about it. So that’s, that’s how you create engaging content. As always, if you have any comments, leave them below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Biggest Time Wasters in Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: Biggest Time Wasters in Content Marketing?

    Lisa asks, “What are the biggest time wasters that plague content marketing programs?”

    Before we can answer this question, we have to define what a time waster is. Is it something that won’t work, won’t generate results? Is it something for which the process is so contentious and difficult that it’s not worth doing, like content committee meetings? Is it doing something without a plan and relying on luck? Is it doing something unnecessary?

    • Unnecessary: Excessive planning/perfectionism
    • Ineffective: Guessing/luck
    • Better Use of Time: Committees

    No surprise, this all maps nicely to people, process, and platform. Know your people and their strengths and weaknesses. Audit and improve your processes for content marketing. Use data, analytics, and software to guide your content marketing and save precious time.

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    In today’s episode, Lisa asks, What are the biggest time wasters that plague content marketing programs? That that’s an interesting question because

    before we can answer the question, we have to define what a time waster is. Is it just something that doesn’t work? Is this something that doesn’t generate results? Is it something that the process is so contentious and difficult? It’s not worth doing. Like, you know, content committee meetings.

    Is this something that like doing something without a plan and just kind of relying on luck?

    is it doing something unnecessary? There’s a lot of different ways to waste time in content marketing. So the question is, when we’re talking about the biggest time wasters and the things you want to eliminate What are those things?

    If we view content marketing as necessary, effective

    And times scalable, meaning it’s something we need to do.

    And we know we need to do it because organic search, if you look at most companies, analytics, organic searches, anywhere from 40 to 90% of the traffic that they generate, so it’s necessary.

    It is effective if you do it well, because it gets you that traffic. And once you make the investment in a piece in any given individual piece of content, then no amount of ongoing investment is relatively low.

    And is it scalable with the right processes with the right technology, content marketing is absolutely a very scalable thing to do.

    Then,

    the opposite is things that are unnecessary things that are ineffective, and things that are could be a better use of time. So let’s, let’s tackle some of those things that are unnecessary. Planning is important. Planning, forecasting, predictive analytics stuff that we do all the time at trusted insights.

    absolutely necessary. What is not necessary is excessive planning. If you’re, you spend so much time on the plan so much time on the admin so much time on the overhead that you never actually get around to creating the content. That’s unnecessary. Likewise, perfectionism is a major problem in content marketing, particularly when you’re working with

    certain types of personalities on staff. There are some people who it has to be the perfect platonic ideal of a piece of content and it will take them nine months to write a blog post, like, doesn’t need to be perfect. It needs to it needs to be good. So those are a couple of things to look out for there. And those are, those are more than anything, people management issues, being able to manage the people behind the content Well,

    in terms of things that are ineffective guessing about what content will be popular is generally ineffective, relying on luck. We’re gonna create a whole bunch of content and hope that one of them goes viral.

    I think it’s viral right now is this cold that I have?

    That’s ineffective, that that doesn’t generate results, right? You need a process to be able to generate content that is effective. And that means using data using predictive analytics using Heck, using descriptive analytics, the stuff that you’ve already got using what’s already in your Google Analytics in your Google Search Console data, using SEO tools that are effective and appropriate, like our reps. All of these things will help you make your content marketing processes better and more effective.

    And finally, other things that are better use of time.

    Yeah, so if you ever sat on a content committee, or a editorial board or any of these

    fancy corporate structures for creating content, they chew up a lot of time you put 10 people in a room

    20 people in the room, Heck, even four people in a room and say what are we going to make for content? Well,

    that can be good sometimes occasionally. But more often than not, you spend so much time in those meetings, preparing for the meeting, and then post meeting takeaways. That if you would take in the two to three hours that you every person invested in that meeting and said, instead, lock yourself at this desk or cubicle or workspace or coffee shop or whatever, for the next three hours and create as much content as you can on these topics. That would be a much more scalable, better use of that same time that rather than having them 10 people sit in a room and just crank out post it notes on the walls and whiteboard drawings. Again,

    that’s fine. In moderation, that is fine. Occasionally.

    That’s fine when you have the data as a starting point for this is what is

    Most likely to work? How do we make it work? So if you have a predictive calendar that says in the next four weeks, these are the top 10 topics we need to create content about great, that committee meeting can be super short. Here the 10 topics, who’s going to take this one? Who’s going to take this one? Who’s going to take this one? Do we need? Does anyone need help with outlines? No. Okay, go that, yeah, 15 minute meeting.

    best use of time and scalable use of time to create content is a technology assisted thing. If you use that data, if you use those analytics, you can create content at scale,

    and make the best use of people’s times. And so that’s a technology problem. In a lot of cases, well, it’s a process people and technology problem. So when you think about it, this really maps back to people process and platform people process and technology, time wasters or ineffective or problematic problems in any one of those areas or all three of those areas. So

    Make sure you have a lookout for them. And then the resolutions are making sure that you’ve got the right people and you know how to corral their personalities. You’ve got great processes in place. And you’re using technology and data and analytics to as the bedrock for your content marketing so that you’re not left guessing and you’re not left as wondering what’s going on. So, important question about time wasters and more important how to fix them. Focus on the people the process and the technology and identify the holdups in each of those areas so that you can then go and remediate them, mitigate them so that you can move ahead. As always, please leave your comments below. And please subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter, I’ll talk to you soon.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Biggest Email Marketing Mistakes?

    You Ask, I Answer: Biggest Email Marketing Mistakes?

    Lisa asks, “What are the biggest mistakes you’re seeing in email marketing?”

    The top mistakes fit nicely into Bob Stone’s direct response framework from 1968: list, offer, creative.

    • List: Do you have the right list? How much effort do you put into getting the right people on your list?
    • Offer: When you do sell, are you selling what people on your list want to buy?
    • Creative: What are you putting in front of your list in terms of content? Is it what they want?

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    In today’s episode Elisa asks, What are the biggest mistakes you’re seeing in email marketing, email marketing, I have such a fondness for email marketing, it is one of my favorite channels to use. Because it is so effective decades after all these other channels have come and gone and social media has changed so much email marketing is still a delightful constant. And if it’s not part of your marketing mix, I would suggest that you make it part of your marketing mix as soon as possible. Because email marketing is the only channel of outbound communication that you have control over Yes, there are algorithms that block spam and things like that. But once you do the basics for fixing that sort of thing, then email gets two people, you put something on Facebook, no guarantee that more than a handful people are going to see it. The other channel that is reasonably guaranteed is advertising. And even that I was in a group the other day and someone was saying, hey, Facebook is taking money from our budget, but we’re not seeing our ads in the not showing up in impressions that great, so Facebook’s just money. So email marketing is is the beloved constant of marketers who who are in it for the long haul. The big mistakes, that I see an email marketing, that marketers doing wrong, all fit in the 1968 framework from Bob stone, I was a direct marketer at the time, one of the best in that era. And his framework was called LLC lyst. Offer creative. The three ingredients you need to make any kind of outbound communication work well for you. Now, email marketing can be split into sort of three different categories, there is direct selling, right just set offers to people. There is nurture, email marketing, where you’re doing drip marketing to somebody to try and get them to buy. And then there is the email newsletter, which is a form of communication. It depending on what kind of email marketing you’re doing will depend on on how you apply Bob stone strategy. But the concepts are still the same. On lyst, do you have the right list how much effort you put into getting the right people on your list, you can’t buy lists anymore? Technically, you can. But it is illegal. And a lot of places it is illegal under GDPR. Now, so you can’t buy a list. For the most part, you probably shouldn’t. And are the right people on your list. There are dozens and dozens and dozens of ways to build your email list. And in fact, I wrote a book years ago called 52 ways to grow your email list. Maybe it has been out of print for a really long time and it’s very out of date. Maybe I’ll refresh that. If you’d be interested in that come on over to the analytics for marketers slack and leave a comment. Go to trust insights.ai slash analytics for marketers. And let me know if you you’d want to see an updated version of that book. So Lyft super important, the right people audit the offer when you do sell. And so with those three types of email marketing, the direct response, just grab them by the tie and choke them till they buy the nurture and then the email newsletter. When you do sell, are you selling what people on your list want to buy? Is the offer congruent with who your audiences? And this requires you do real research on your email list? who aren’t the people on your list? What are the industries? What are their demographics? What are their psycho graphics? What are their firma graphics, all of these things are part of understanding your list. There are some great services that will help you for x exceptionally large amounts of money, do analysis based on the email addresses on your list. But the easiest way, the understand who’s on your list of what they want to buy, is to run a survey to email people on your list and ask them hey, what are the things that you care about? What are the things that are prominent problems in your world, and so on and so forth. I try and do this like once a quarter what people care about and then you match your offers to what people say they want, right? It’s it’s pretty straightforward stuff if you want to be successful with email marketing, give people what they want. The third is the creative and this is what is the content, what content are you putting in front of your list? It is it again? Is it what they want? And again, if the easiest way to determine that is to ask people, what do you want, and you can ask them a couple different ways. Number one, when someone signs up on the list is that in the autoresponder as a great opportunity to ask them, you know, while they’re still fresh, hey, what do you want to hear about.

    The other thing that people don’t do with email marketing is they don’t treat it as a one to one social network. And it shows up in two different ways. Number one, don’t ever send from do not reply it whatever your domain is, right? Send it from a person. Ideally, you if you’re the marketer, be proud to put your name on your email communications. And if you’re not, that’s a good sign that your emails not very good, and you need to improve it. When I send my newsletter. When I send the trust insights newsletter, I put my name and my email address on the reply. And I read and reply to them. Because that’s how you build a functional list that says, build a community by being there for them. And, and talking to the people who respond to you. Number two, the second way that shows up is in the way you communicate with somebody in the same way that we do it here with video with audio and things like that. Generally speaking, people do not read email and an audience right? Generally speaking, it is a one to one communication. So write your email as though you are writing to one other person. So for example, I don’t start my videos and they don’t start my angel. Hey guys, or Hey, folks, or Hey, everybody, right? It’s just you and me. Almost like somebody else’s sitting right next to you watching this video with you. chances are it’s probably just you and me watching it communicating with each other. Right? And so the same thing is true with email. And Hadley says this all the time in in her email marketing tips, which is right, specifically to one person, Warren Buffett, the example She cites is that Warren Buffett writes his annual report to his sister, Doris, because she’s an investor. And he communicates as though he was writing a letter to his sister, do the same thing with your email communications change from Hey, everybody, to Hey, Bob, hey, Doris, hey, Katie, this is an email for you, to you. And I want it to give you value. Right? So that’s, that is probably the most important thing when it comes to the creative. Would you send that email to a loved one, right? If you wouldn’t send it to a loved one, don’t send it to your list. Right. So if you’d like to send this, this is a hard sell pitch. By now time time limited. If time really is limited, cool, then, you know, be honest and do that. But it is the creative now here’s the thing that another mistake in this meta framework of lyst offer creative. The investment of time and resources should be proportional to the importance of each category. list is the most important 50% of your time, should be on building the right list 50% of your budget etc. Maybe 25% of your time is on offer. And then 25% is on Creative but build the if you don’t have the right people on the list. Nothing else will matter in terms of the impact of your email marketing, make sure that you invest your time and resources into building that list. Well with the right people. If you’re going to spend money spend money there. You’ve seen if I hope you’re subscribed to my email newsletter, if you’re not they’ll be a link at the end of the video. The design is nothing to write home about. It’s just a plain text email for the most part with a few header graphics. That’s it. Because I would rather spend my time and my few dollars I have to invest on getting the right list rather than making a fancy creative that if it’s the wrong list, no one’s going to read it. So those are the top mistakes and we could go on for a real long time about all the different ways you can do email marketing. I did it for years professionally. But great question Lisa important question. Make sure you get lyst offer creative right and invest the resources proportionately. As always, please subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter and I’ll talk to you soon take care want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. This is trust insights.ai today and let us know how we can help you

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Tools Missing From Content Marketers Tech Stacks?

    You Ask, I Answer: Tools Missing From Content Marketers Tech Stacks?

    Lisa asks, “What tools do you think are missing from most content marketers tech stack?”

    Without a doubt, the ability to know what content is resonating, either by individual channel or by owned media content. This is a giant blind spot I experienced for myself, and one of the reasons I wrote software for Trust Insights to fix it – I wanted the answers for my own content. Watch the video for a couple of examples.

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    In today’s episode, Lisa asks, What tools do you think are missing from most content marketers tech stacks. Without a doubt, the tool or tools I think are missing the most from our text access content marketers are what are knowing knowing what content is resonating the ability to be able to see into individual channel level stuff or by owned media content, what is really working. And this is a blind spot that I experienced for myself my own content. And one of the reasons why I end up writing software writing my own software to fix this is because I couldn’t find any vendors that offered this, at least not at a price that could afford, you know, I’m sure there’s some enterprise content management system was that offered for like $50,000 a month, but as a an individual blogger, and as the the part owner, or the co founder of a small business, I don’t have that kind of money. Something that would be more like, you know, a couple hundred bucks a month maybe could afford but not not, not what the enterprise packages charge. So this is something that is a blind spot for content marketers. And it is something that if you had it, it would be great to be able to know what’s really working. So let me show you an example. Let’s, let’s bring up the example thing here. The first version of this looks at the pages on site. And one of the critical things that is not in Google Analytics is the ability to see, did a page accelerate somebody’s progress towards conversion, or do the page not do that? Now, this is predicated, of course, upon you having goals and goal value set up correctly in Google Analytics, if you don’t have that setup, it it’s not going to this, this tour technology would not help you at all. So what we see here is as I go down this list, these are all the pages and then how those pages have helped stimulate conversions. What’s important is that this is an attribution model. That is based on machine learning. So it’s not based on last touch, or first touch, or time decay, or any of the the standard models that are built in this uses machine learning to essentially look at the patterns of conversion and say, Oh, how many times did this page show up in the first position, before conversion, and the second position of the third position, and so on, and so forth, looking back it up at a person’s history and say, Look, this page here how to set your public speaking fee keeps showing up over and over and over and over again, within the path to conversion. So we’re going to give it the highest rank for the number of conversions that it drives. So this is a one of the most important pieces of content, my website, then the newsletter, the public speaking page, which I’m super happy about, because hey, if I can get you to book me as a public speaker, love it, the homepage, of course, how to start your public speaking career. Now what I do this information is based on this report, I’m going to go through and I’m going to update pages you can see here, this is the 2016 version of this, I just republish that post. And already, it’s starting to creep up in in terms of conversions and helps to drive. So if you’ve got a lot of content on the back end on your site, and know, for example, if I scroll down, down, down, down, down, down down to here, you can see there’s a whole bunch of pages that aren’t helping conversions. So for me, one of the things I would do is obviously help tune up and improve the pages that are driving conversions and then pick pages that down here that are you would be nice to if they did help convert particularly in the 20 1620 1728 period where I know that the content was good. And either refresh it or tune it up or things like that. This is where I would also use predictive analytics. Because if if there are certain pages that are topically important, at certain times of the year, like SEO, like a marketing reporting and things, and so on and so forth, those of you pay just to refresh at specific times to try and get that attention. So that’s the first version of this type of report. The second type of report that I would want to see that again, not a lot of content marketer stacks, is granular level attribution analysis for specific channels. Google Analytics does this out of the box with default channel groupings. But there’s a couple problems with that one. Most people’s default channel groupings have set up completely wrong. If you go with what’s in the box. About half your social media traffic is distributed, your email is going to be all screwed up. I had it took me probably the better part of two months to fix in two up all of all of my default channel groupings.

    And second, even there, even if you’ve got it all correct, if it says social is the third most important channel for you. Well, that’s great. Social is a big bucket. Right? There’s Facebook, there’s Twitter, there’s LinkedIn, Pinterest, tick tock. YouTube does you pick your your poison, there’s a ton of different things that fall in that bucket of social and I want more granularity. So this version here. As you can see, it pulls out at the individual source medium, what’s working. So for me Google organic search, by far the big driver fall by my email newsletter, thank goodness, the West like wow, I haven’t spent a lot of time on that for no reason. Or an article. Sarah lyrics, Twitter referral traffic from Twitter. And this is important because this is other people’s tweets. If you see my own Twitter is a see did it. There it is Twitter social down. Alright, so my own Twitter activity is not driving a ton of conversion. But other people’s tweets are, that’s good to know, being organic. Hey, that’s kind of interesting, because a lot of people think of being as the redheaded stepchild of search engines, but remember that it powers things like some of the smartest systems, some of the assistants on your phone and things like that. And as a result, it’s got some juice, we have some prs a stuff, we have a bunch of referrals, there’s Facebook, other people’s posts on Facebook, other people’s posts on LinkedIn. So this level report now helps me understand, okay, where is my content? And what’s driving stuff to it. So for me build content to continue to build those relationships on Twitter. So good idea, continuing to do guest post content on certain outlets, that that bring in the juice is a good idea. other outlets when you know, one of the things you can do is whenever you get one of those posts, email focusing like, Hey, you want to submit a piece of guest content will be great exposure. Cool, or do you want to do an episode of our podcast will be great exposure? Cool, you do it once? Then you run the support and see Yeah, is it helping to convert? If the answer is no, then you did the one and that was fine. But you can say that person again. If you you know if you’re limited on time, as most of us are. Last time we did it didn’t really drive any results. So maybe there’s a different way we can exchange value. But clearly the exposure that that outlet offers is not not it doesn’t have enough juice to make it worthwhile. So this combination of tools using machine learning for understanding channels and understanding the pages on your website are I think critically missing from almost every marketers tech sec. I know they’re missing because I had to write them for myself. Shameless plug if you’re interested in having this run for you. We offer through trust insights, subscribe, trust insights.ai and felt the contact form will will will get you hooked up. But by knowing this, I can tune my efforts to what works to focus on what works to double down on doing more of what works and tuning up those things that I feel like instinctively should work. But the results aren’t there yet, at least on my own media. I can use that to experiment and test and build. Great question Lisa. Look forward to showing off some of this technology at content marketing world and other conferences coming up like may con. So hopefully we’ll see you there. As always, please leave your comments below in the comments box and subscribe to the YouTube channel the newsletter, I’ll talk to you soon. want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. Visit trust insights.ai today and let us know how we can help you

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  • How to Calculate Marketing ROI

    How to Calculate Marketing ROI

    Pick a term that is bandied about the most but understood the least in business (especially marketing) and chances are it will be ROI, return on investment. Many marketers are asked by senior stakeholders what their ROI is, how to calculate marketing ROI, or whether their ROI is trending in the right direction.

    Before we go any farther, let’s define marketing ROI clearly.

    What is ROI?

    Simply put, it is the following mathematical formula:

    (Earned – Spent) / Spent = ROI

    In marketing terms, this is:

    (Income Earned from Marketing Efforts – Marketing Expenses) / Marketing Expenses = ROI of Marketing

    The result is a decimal, which, if multiplied by 100, can be expressed as a percentage.

    That is ROI. It’s a deceptively simple formula. The reason why it’s so deceptively simple is that a lot of metrics go into each of the formula components.

    Determining income earned from marketing efforts requires the use of a good CRM that allows you to track what marketing methods actually result in sales, and what the revenue of those sales is. For example, let’s say you sell chewing gum. To the best of your ability, you need to be able to track exactly how much gum you’ve sold to consumers at what price, by marketing channel. The last part is the catch. It’s easy to figure out how much gum you’ve sold, but much harder to figure out what marketing channel drove those sales. Online is relatively simple – using tools like Google Analytics to track checkouts at a virtual store makes that fairly straightforward. Offline is trickier and requires tools like surveying and statistical sampling in order to accurately assess why someone bought a pack of gum.

    Income can be even trickier to determine if it’s decoupled from marketing, as is often the case with wholesalers and resellers. If you manufacture alkaline batteries like Duracell or Energizer, there’s a good chance you use a distributor or reseller like a Walmart or Target to resell your goods. As a result, your marketing efforts to build your brand are decoupled from the actual transactions because someone else is handling the sales – and as a result, all of your brand-building effort may be for naught if a reseller fails to display your products effectively. One of the few methods that gets around this problem to some degree is coupon redemption. If a manufacturer issues a coupon, they can get an actual idea of a channel’s income generation potential by tracking how many coupons were issued vs. how many were redeemed from that channel.

    The expense side of marketing is also fraught with danger, especially in marketing subcategories like social media. Almost no one tracks the single largest expense in social media: time. Time is not free. Time has never been free. How much you spend in any marketing channel isn’t just a question of money leaving your bank account or corporate credit card, but time spent as money. What else goes into the cost side? Ideally, every cost that is part of your marketing – from the cost of the company’s Internet access to salaries to rent to the coffee machine in the kitchen. The way to think about the expense side is, if you had no marketers on staff, what money would you not spend?

    How to Calculate Marketing ROI

    Here’s an example of determining time spent as money. Let’s say you’re in marketing and you earn 50,000 per year. The effective number of working hours you have per year is 52 weeks x 40 hours per week, or 2,080 hours. Your effective hourly pay, then, is24.04 per hour. For every hour you spend on Pinterest, Facebook, Instagram, etc., you are effectively investing $24.04 of time as money in that marketing channel. Suddenly, channels like social media get very expensive.

    So let’s put the two sides, income and expense, together in an example so that you can see what marketing ROI looks like.

    Let’s say you decided to advertise using Google’s Adwords pay per click advertising. Let’s say you spent 500 in cash and 5 hours of your time (at a50,000/year salary) to get Adwords up and running, and in turn, you earned $1,000 in sales of, let’s say citrus-scented headphones.

    Do the preparation math:

    • Income: $1,000
    • Expense (cash): $500
    • Expense (non-cash): 24.04 x 5 =120.20
    • Total Expense: $620.20

    The ROI formula is Income – Expense / Expense, so 1,000 –620.20 / 620.20 = 61.24%.

    This is an excellent ROI. It states that for every dollar spent, you earned the dollar back plus 61.24 cents. Any business would be very pleased with that ROI and would likely ask you to invest a little more time and a lot more money if that result remains consistent.

    Let’s try another example for the same person at the same company. Let’s say you’ve decided that Facebook is the hottest thing since sliced bread and you’re going to avoid outlaying cash on your Facebook efforts. You set up a Fan Page for your citrus-scented headphones, take 80 hours to set it up, administer it, manage the community, do outreach, etc. but you spend no money on it and you manage to sell1,000 worth of those strange headphones. You’re feeling good about yourself – this social media stuff works, right?

    Do the preparation math:

    • Income: $1,000
    • Expense (cash): $0
    • Expense (non-cash): 24.04 x 80 =1,923.20
    • Total Expense: $1,923.20

    The ROI formula shows 1,000 –1,923.20 / $1,923.20 = -48% ROI. Uh oh. When you account for time spent as money, Facebook (in this example) is a money-loser. For every dollar of time you invest in it, you’re losing 48 cents.

    Now, what’s not in the examples above? All the ancillary costs (equipment, utilities, rent, etc.), which are typically easiest to calculate by person. Talk to your financial team to ask what those costs are and bundle them into the non-case expenses above; your CFO and their team likely have exact dollar amounts per employee of expenses which you can use to make the above calculations more accurate.

    The Use and Misuse of ROI

    We’re clear on the basic definition of ROI. Why is it so difficult for marketing to use it properly?

    ROI is a financial term with a financial formula. There is no substitute for it and there are no ways to weasel around it that don’t make us look like fools. Expressions like “return on awareness”, “return on engagement”, and “return on conversation” are largely invented terms by people who don’t know how to calculate ROI.

    ROI is not the ultimate measure of marketing performance. ROI is an objective metric (an endgame metric that tells you if you’ve reached your goals) only if cost containment is a priority for your business. ROI fundamentally measures net profit – how much money you made after expenses. What financial metrics do you measure your business by? For example, if you are in a growth mode with an objective of capturing significant market share and net profit is not a strategic priority (such as many startups), ROI can actually be a hindrance to your marketing efforts because over-focus on it will prevent you from taking short-term losses in exchange for long-term strategic gains.

    What to Do With ROI Calculations

    This is where it’s decision time for you as a marketer.

    Remember, if cost containment isn’t a primary goal, ROI isn’t the correct metric to be focusing on. If you’ve made the conscious and strategic decision to take a short-term financial loss (in cash and time spent as money) in order to grow a long-term opportunity, then negative ROI may be acceptable for the duration of your campaign. However, if cost containment is a primary goal for your marketing department, you have to make the decision whether to adjust your Facebook strategy or cut it out and stop your losses.

    Ultimately, ROI is just one way to measure marketing’s performance, but it’s one of the least well-understood ways of doing so. By walking through this calculation, you’ll realize just how difficult it is to calculate with great precision and how meticulous you must be in your tracking methods in order to capture even moderately good quality data. If you can do that effectively, ROI is yours to analyze, but if you can’t because of organizational structure or operational issues, then you’ll need to forego the use of ROI as a marketing metric.

    What could you use instead? According to the most recent CMO Survey, CMOs are most concerned about the financial impact of marketing efforts. That doesn’t mean ROI specifically; the financial impact is anything which adds tangible, measurable value to the company’s overall revenue side. How much revenue can you attribute to your marketing efforts? In many companies, this calculation is more valuable, easier to compute, and can be made more granular to understand which marketing efforts drive the highest financial impact. Using today’s most sophisticated analytics and AI capabilities, attribution analysis may be your best bet for proving the value of marketing when ROI isn’t appropriate or available.

    Disclosure: this post has been edited and updated over the years. The most recent edition added new information about attribution analysis.

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