Category: Marketing

  • You Ask, I Answer: Is SEO Dead? Nope.

    You Ask, I Answer_ Is SEO Dead_ Nope.Danielle asks, “With AI running everything in search engines, is SEO dead?”

    It depends on what you mean by SEO. Old SEO – cheesy tricks like filling the bottom of your pages with paragraphs of white text on a white background is dead. Stuffing every possible combination of keyword on a page in different fonts and headings is dead. Spamming thousands of websites a day begging for links is dead.

    But creating content that answers the questions people have and fulfilling the intent of their searches? That’s modern SEO and it’s 100% not dead. What’s different is that the AI software behind search engines is ever-improving at detecting context and intent of searchers – human beings – so if your content marketing isn’t legitimately helpful to human beings, it’s not going to do well in SEO.

    What matters in today’s SEO:

    You Ask, I Answer: Is SEO Dead? Nope.

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    In today’s you ask I answer Daniel asks the perennial question is Seo dead specifically with AI running everything in search engines is Seo dead.

    As always, look, the answer is it depends on what you mean by SEO if you mean old SEO cheesy tricks like filling the bottom of your pages with paragraphs of white text on a white background. Yes, that’s dead stuffing every possible combination of a keyword on a page in different fonts and headings and stuff that’s dead spamming thousands of unrelated websites with you know blog comments spamming programs or just cold emailing you know webmaster at whatever domain begging for links definitely dead but the creation of content that helps people answer their questions and what they meant that is modern SEO and it is 100% not dead. What’s different today is that.

    The AI software behind search engines, the power search engines is getting better and better every day at detecting the context in intent of what we the human beings are searching for. And so our SEO program our SEO strategies and tactics and methods and tools have to focus on helping human beings do what they meant to do. If we do that, our SEO will work well if we don’t do that our SEO will work poorly

    Rand Fishkin had a terrific blog post about nine months ago now on fulfilling intent on how Google can detect intent in search results. So in the in his blog post example he talks about if someone searches for damaged furniture what context. And what does their intent, are they looking for to furniture repair, are they looking for friendship help and tips and things like that and Google can string together and understand the history of our search even tells you, here’s your search history. So if you look at, you know, scratch in furniture.

    repair and then furniture repair and dented furniture

    Google starts to piece together. Oh, you’re asking for how do you fix scratched furniture. If you search for scratched furniture and then you look for furniture repair and furniture repair shop near me Google understands the intent of your search is I want someone else to fix this thing for me. And so

    if you are a furniture repair shop, you’ve got it. You’ve got to have content that helps fulfill that first intent, like, Hey, here’s how you fix that thing but if you don’t want to do it yourself. Here’s how you do it. And so there’s a link in the in the blog post that goes with this video that goes to rands article, it’s definitely worth a read because it walks through you know some of these intense. There are, I would say four pillars of modern SEO today. Number one is this intense fulfillment and is so important because without that fulfillment of intent. We’re going to only partially answered the queries that are searchers asking for and then.

    in turn means are we won’t get the behaviors we want some of these folks when they search for something are looking for. Okay. How do you know how do i do the thing and we want to be able to fill fulfill that and get them to stay on our site, get them to not not what’s called Pogo sticking where they just bouncing page to page two page in search results search result a search result because that doesn’t help us.

    The second is reputation reputation matters a ton in modern SEO if I have a blog about marketing and analytics. I want links from other reputable marketing and analytics blogs to show that I am part of this network or community or topic could conceptually of reputable marketing analytics websites. If all my links are from like random food sites and deodorant sites and stuff like that, which is very common in the old days when you just spam everybody on the web and say hey have linked to my site right you don’t want to do that anymore. You have to focus on your reputation or.

    You get your links from so that’s where things like by lines and guest blog posts and guest videos and things attracting links from those other websites that are relevant to you really help the third is omni channel presence or multi channel presence at the very least, where you’re creating content in multiple different formats on a frequent basis in different locations that are all linked together so that search engines understand. Oh, this person in all these different contexts is talking about this content this with this intent.

    So when I post on YouTube and I have my blog and I have my social channels and I have the audio that goes with this and it’s all detectable it’s all interpreted as being about data and analytics and all this stuff that helps establish a mini network in a way of

    what I’m about or what my website is about and fine.

    context matters as well. Specifically time context. And this is where tools like predictive analytics come in handy.

    I am I have a whole backlog of these questions to answer for people, but I’m using predictive analytics to figure out what this week. This is the week of May 16 2018

    people are searching for it and talking about most and SEO is one of the things this week. And so I’m providing this answer when people care about it the most because that in turn will get the behaviors on things like Google

    in the search engines to to be most interested in. Hopefully if my content ranks well for those things in the video ranks well for those things, then I’ll get the behavior. I want out of the audience. So those are the four pillars of modern SEO if you’re not doing those things, then yes, you may legitimately be questioning is Seo dead because you’re not getting the results you want. If you’re fulfilling intent, if you’re building great reputation. If you are.

    Focusing on omni channel presence and you are using context and time to guide your content, then your your modern SEO strategy should be just fine. So, great question. Daniel. There’s a lot of nuance to this again I would check out Rand Fishkin blog over at spark Toro dot com I would check out our friends over at Stone Temple consulting, they have a great blog as well. I would check out some of the tool vendors like so. Mas and sem rush and RFS and all these different companies that provide these tools. Many of them have very good blogs as well. So if you want to read up on what’s happening the latest in SEO. Those are all places a great place to go. So thanks for watching as always please subscribe in the US at the to the YouTube channel and to the email newsletter and I’ll talk to you soon. Take care.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: How To Grow an Email List on a Small Budget

    You Ask, I Answer_ How To Grow an Email List on a Small Budget

    Jakub asks, “We have a small budget for marketing, barely more than a few dollars a month. How can we grow our email list?”

    Great and very common question. Let’s address what doesn’t work: spamming people. Now that that’s out of the way, let’s walk down the channels available to you. If we think of our email marketing as a product – it is – then we’re really thinking about product marketing. Email is the alternate sale – can’t get someone to buy today? Get their permission to solicit them at a later date.

    Given that, review the channels available to us:

    • Email (specifically, other people’s emails)
    • Search
    • Social
    • Referral
    • PPC
    • Display
    • Video
    • Audio

    Watch the video for a rundown of each. The display ad service I recommend is StackAdapt.

    You Ask, I Answer: Growing an Email List On a Small Budget

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    In today’s you ask I answered Jacob asked. I

    think it’s pronounced Jacob, we have a small budget for marketing barely more than a few dollars a month. How can we still grow our email list hope this is a great and very common question. First things first, let’s address what doesn’t work just spamming people that don’t do it that it is against the law in most places now and it will be really against the law after May 25 when GDP are takes a full effect and the you can start handing out massive penalties or just nilly soliciting to people who have not asked for it. So don’t do it now that that’s out of the way, let’s walk down the channels that are available to us as marketers email is the alternate sale. I spent four years working in the email marketing industry and it really is the alternate sales. You can’t get somebody to buy something from you today on whatever early on, then get their permission to solicit them at a later date through their email address also email is one of the few digital channels you own, as long as you pay your bills for your hosting service and you pay your bills for your email service that list is yours is not like Facebook or Twitter or LinkedIn or YouTube or whatever. Those are all rented platforms email is the list that you own for it and can use judiciously as much as you want. So how do we grow subscribers to an email list. They were really eight channels that you can use email

    search social referral Pay Per Click display advertising video and audio so email.

    It seems odd to have that listed when you’re trying to grow your list, but you can use other people’s emails you can do swaps, so if you know of somebody else who has an email

    list an email newsletter, you can ask to contribute content, you can ask to do a co promotion of some kind. You can pay a small amount of money for access to a small list. Obviously, the bigger the list, the

    bigger the budget but if as long as it’s the right list or the right audience, it’s it makes good sense. So working away into other people’s emails is is one option to search search marketing particularly organic search if your newsletter page and your blog content and all that stuff is not optimized for email do it. Oh. One other thing I forgot an email think put

    your email newsletter in your signature of your email.

    You’d be surprised how well that works

    on search if you are not blogging. If you’re not creating content if you’re not attracting people to your owned media properties, you’re missing an opportunity to display essentially ads for your newsletter within your own content you see this in on my blog and stuff all over the place, trying to get you on the email list because I want to be able to reach out at a later date. So optimize your content do a lot of SEO, make sure that you know that’s essentially free traffic. Well, it’s not free, but it’s it’s not traffic at a hard dollar cost or hard currency cost. Number three, social media, make connections network participate in in online chats join groups and things but don’t harass people to to, you know, just sign up your email list provide value first and then once you’ve provided good amount of value to whatever group organization or community, you’re part of then you earn the right to ask for people to sign up for your newsletter, a very simple way to do this go on to different q&a forms like core and asked calm and just answers and and and contribute give gift of way Get known and make sure that in your profile and your bio and stuff. There is a link to your email list so do the same thing for your social media to if your Instagram bio and your Twitter bio and your Facebook bio don’t have a link to your email list and that’s a priority for your company, put it in there make sure that people can find their way back to the thing that you care about the most number four is referral traffic. This is public relations. This is outreach. This is byline content. Make sure again whenever you’re submitting content that you have in your little blurb at the end the wrong thing. It will sign up for the authors free email list every however often you’re going to send it so that you’re getting links to your subscription page. By the way, you need to have a really good subscription page but that’s a topic for a different time. If you are not sure where to start for referral traffic. The best place to go. It is help a reporter calm sign up for the three times a day email read through it and respond to

    relevant inquiries where you have expertise and can contribute an answer to a journalist

    number five. Pay Per Click marketing and number six display marketing for Pay Per Click marketing focus on you know obviously if you’re in the coffee industry, you know, coffee newsletter would be a good example of something that you would want to bid on but more importantly for these two platforms and really for paid social as well retargeting is absolutely essential. You need to be using the services like stack adapt

    like Google AdWords retargeting Facebook retargeting and so on so forth and you specifically want to read target people

    who have been to your website and possibly you may want to get as granular as people who have visited your subscription page but have not subscribed and that’s a good way to use if you got like 25 bucks a month or something like that you’d want to use the budget just war, though, that type of retargeting and not spend it on any other kind of broad advertising because those people are eminently qualified if they went to your subscription page and they forgot about it or whatever and didn’t subscribe remind them that you want them to do that. Two more channels video

    is obviously a channel that you can use create valuable useful helpful videos then make sure you that you apply your newsletter in in the video and in the notes that go with the video so there’s a clickable link out and audio. If you have a podcast. It is having a newsletter call to action, your podcast is a logical intelligent thing to do if you have a little bit more budget, you know, when we say small budget. I’m talking like 50 bucks or 100 bucks or 75 euros a month. If you have more than that. And you may want to look at actual audio ads Spotify has a self serve ad platform now where you can I think it’s like 300 bucks a month us to to run ads platform. So there’s opportunities there as well.

    But all these channels work best when you’re doing them together so you can’t just pick one. I mean, you can just pick one, but you’re going to get a multiplier effect by doing things like search and referral and social and blogging and ads and video and email together. The more that you can do these different channels and co promoting cross promote among them, the more impactful your marketing will be and the more likely it is you’ll get people to sign on to your email list. The last thing which is the most important thing is don’t email the email that you send out has to be valuable and has to be worth people’s time to open it, because otherwise. One thing that will happen is that people will sign up for your email read one email and then unsubscribe and then all of your efforts were were pointless right what you need to do is provide 80% of the email should be about value to the reader and then 20%, you can ask for something in return, but you want to really make sure that you’re providing value in the email so that a people don’t unsubscribe and be ideally people refer you to other people and say, Hey, sign up for this newsletter, it’s actually worth reading so many newsletters and so many email marketers really mess that last part up they do all this work to get the and then they burn the list down on the first send because it’s just one gigantic sales message there is a time and a place for promotional sales message, my colleague Gary van der Chuck calls it Jab, Jab, Jab, Right Hook you give value a lot. And then once every so often you ask for value in return. Don’t ask up front. It’s just like dating you don’t go straight to the marriage you you have a precursor of activities that that lead up to that. So that’s how you build your email list on a few dollars a month. There is no such thing as free right there will be a very low currency needs like the retargeting stuff, but there is no completely free. There is the investment of your time to if you’re spending 40 hours a week trying to do free marketing for your email marketing. That’s 40 hours. You could have been doing something else too. So keep that in mind. Great question. Jacob. Hey, as always, subscribe to the email newsletter in the links below or above depending on whether it’s on LinkedIn, it’s up here if it’s on YouTube. It’s down here but subscribe to the email list, please. And subscribe to the YouTube channel and I’ll talk to you soon. Take care.


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  • You Ask, I Answer: VR, AR, and Marketing

    You Ask, I Answer_ VR, AR, and Marketing

    Genevieve asks, “Do you think virtual and augmented reality has a future as a viable content marketing tool?”

    Without a doubt. New technologies go through four phases:

    • No one knows what it is or what it does.
    • Once people understand it, they replicate the existing in the new format.
    • After replication comes variation, when people try out slightly new things.
    • After variation comes freedom, when people break free of their limits.

    Virtual reality and augmented reality are, today, around the end of stage 2 and early stage 3. Watch the video in full to learn what the obstacles are to content marketing success with VR/AR:

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    In today’s you ask I answer john via asks do you think virtual and augmented reality have a future as a viable Mark content marketing tools. Yes, without a doubt,

    here’s how we know with any new technology they go through these new technologies go through evolutions they go through phases and this is not new. This model for anything. This is

    centuries old comes from the Japanese martial arts. There’s

    the thing the basics right and then there is the form where you replicate the forum and you you adhere strictly to the the the form then there’s variation where

    you learn to modify the form for different situations and stuff and then there is the Japanese call Ron Dory or or catching chaos where it’s completely free of form and you just apply your knowledge, all these to from ways. Well, the same thing applies to technologies so virtual reality and AAR and the web and social media and you name it have all been through these phases in the beginning, nobody understands what these things do step to learn the very basics just even be fluid to add it. Now this is where a lot of things just kind of die if it if no one can master the basics, then the technology does not move forward

    the basics includes value if no one can see any kind of value, then the technology just dies once people understand the technology what they typically do is replicate the existing things in the new format. Think about the early days of the World Wide Web, what did people do they made brochures, right, they’ve literally copied and pasted sometimes their existing sales brochures on to their websites and can still find a few websites like that out on the web. Over time, people started doing variations. What if we didn’t have to make it look exactly like the brochure. What if we put in more pictures and fewer words or we put in contact forms or discussion forums and the web evolved, it became all these different variations and stuff and then

    after this variations became came freedom when

    people broke free of the limits of their imagination of their of the technical out of their previous technologies restrictions and started creating things that can only exist in that new format social networks, for example, or something that

    cannot exist in the old format.

    There’s no way to make a print based social network. Right. Your, your newspaper when you pick it up is not interactive in any way. And so

    once people understood that the web was interactive that the web permitted two way communication video communication and things like that. Take a look at what people do with video marketing. Now

    today we take it for granted. Oh, yeah. Video everyone does that. Well,

    not everyone did that. It was very difficult for people to undertake and that you could put

    video on the web. And then

    there was a presumption that it had to be always be high quality. Well, obviously we know

    after replication of the old format like TV comes variation and then he comes freedoms, the smartphone these lovely devices that we’re working with here

    gives people the freedom to do new things that they couldn’t do with massive TV crew Sanford for drones drones permit photography that previously was only allowed with something like a helicopter or an airplane. Now we have drones can do these things and we’re still with drones, we’re kind of in stage three right we’re we’re trying out new things drone racing and stuff like that at photography and video that are different, but we haven’t come really to that freedom point yet we’re getting their virtual reality. Reality Augmented Reality are at. I would say later to early stage. We have a lot of school morph ism

    which is good because that replication phase, but that copying the old into the new

    is how we learn the technology. It’s not something we can skip over so we’re at a point where we’re replicating a lot of things in virtual reality that we haven’t an augmented reality amusement park rides and movies and action things and video games and

    and we’re getting

    the hang of this new technology

    where content marketing becomes viable and exciting is when you as further late stage to weaken flawlessly

    rapidly replicate an experience enough so that it’s better than

    the previous technologies experience and start creating those variations those new things like oh wow I didn’t know you could do at that’s when you have that content marketing viability. Sometimes these tools they take off very, very quickly. Sometimes they take a really long time

    with virtual reality and augmented reality. The, the key to that technology succeeding in marketing or in general is the headset is the the end user experience. Once that is largely solved and is as easy as opening a web browser or opening an app on your smartphone today, then the technology will have the base and the freedom to to really create those new experiences and

    then the marketers will come in and ruin it. That’s what you do.

    So yes content marketing

    and virtual reality, augmented reality have a

    rich potential future ahead of them. We’ve got to get out of the replication phase into the variation phase and we’re starting to I’d say we’re we’re right on that CUSP and then the audience adoption is the kind of a last piece of that and that will open up

    virtual reality and augmented reality as a as a useful content marketing tool for all of us. Great question. JOHN Vf good way to start the week with sort of a more forward thinking question as always please subscribe to the newsletter and he has a YouTube Channel. In the comments below and thank you for watching.


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  • You Ask, I Answer: How to Learn Marketing Automation

    You Ask, I Answer_ How to Learn Marketing Automation

    Seth asks, “How do you gain experience with automation software (Marketo/HubSpot/etc.) when it’s not part of your job, and there aren’t any free versions to build tests from? Or are there? Thanks!”

    Great question! There ARE some free and very low cost solutions you can use to teach yourself marketing automation.

    If you’re completely new to marketing automation, I recommend Hubspot’s demo account and Hubspot Academy.

    If you’ve got marketing automation experience or have mastered everything Hubspot offers without paying for it, I recommend installing and learning the open-source package Mautic.

    Hubspot is easy. Self-hosted, open-source Mautic is painfully hard. Once you master the two, there’s no marketing automation system you can’t conquer.

    Watch the video for details and what proves you’re a true marketing technologist.

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    In today’s you ask I answer Seth asks, How do you gain experience with marketing automation software like Marquette oh and HubSpot when it’s not part of your job and there aren’t any free versions to build tests. From where are there. Thanks. Great question. Seth there actually are a couple of either free or very low cost marketing automation solutions, you can use to teach yourself marketing automation, the first place I would start if you’re brand new to marketing automation. You haven’t had any exposure to it would actually be HubSpot so HubSpot in its Academy. If you go to Academy that HubSpot dot com has a completely free version of their software and you actually sign up for that free demo account as part of the training courses and things so you get a chance to use some of the different features.

    Some of them are locked out because obviously you’re not a paying customer, but the basics are there and enough to complete the training.

    You can even use that demo account in production. So if you have a personal blog. For example,

    you can go ahead and install your HubSpot marketing automation CRM software

    in your personal blog and at least get a chance to see how it works. It will probably be you filling out your forms and you know the test forms stuff and that way you can get experienced with things like segmentation and lead scoring actually no lead scoring is paid feature in public

    and so on and so forth and so that’s one option that I think that’s a great option if you are a an absolute beginner at marketing automation, that’s a great place to start because going through HubSpot Academy will give you all the basics you need it is I would say it is as important today as Google’s analytics Academy is for loving the analytic side for learning marketing automation CRM HubSpot Academy is the way to go

    next it once you’ve got the basics down and you want to try all the features and you don’t want to pay for it or you can’t pay for it because it’s not cheap.

    I would use the self hosted version of a package called Ma Ma UTI seen a link in the show notes mark in the self hosted not the cloud hosted do it for me version, but the self hosted download the open source software install it on my server version give you full access to all the features contexts going lead scoring workflows segmentation, you know, emails, social and stuff like that.

    It is free. Besides, whatever your server hosting costs are for

    demonstration purposes I would use the melodic bit Nami Google Cloud version which is will run you like four bucks a month. It is a pain to use is a pain

    to set up things go wrong all the time on the back end,

    which means that if you

    successfully deployed successfully running keep it running for like six months or more just on your on your on your personal website or something like that and you send that and you use it for the basis of an email newsletter that you send to people who read your blog, even if it’s only two people. It’s still fine,

    you will gain so much valuable knowledge and be a a really a proven marketing technologist, if you can get the thing

    I

    would say if I saw somebody profile like yo successfully deployed and installed self hosted model for a year and got you know even halfway decent results. I’d be like, Okay, this person clearly knows what they’re talking about. Because that package

    breaks so many ways,

    but it’s inexpensive. That’s the thing. So for like a non profit, for example, Monique is a good choice because if you have someone on staff who’s technical because you’re going to pay five bucks a month for it, which is great. It’s just, it breaks a lot. So

    there’s a reason why the why cloud hosting and all this stuff is is so popular now because nobody wants to work anymore. So that’s the other package I would learn from and between HubSpot and model they cover all the major features are marketing automation again contacts components segmentation workflows all the different channels leads going and point assignment sinking sinking with your CRM and those two things combined will let you understand the architecture and the key

    concepts of marketing automation and once you’ve got those then if somebody drops you into Marcato or eloquent or par dot

    you’ll have to learn the nuances of those little pack of those packages, but for the most part, you’ll, you’ll have an idea of what what it’s called. Right. You won’t be just completely blind. So that’s where I would go I would start with HubSpot learn and become competent at HubSpot but the demo account and then when you’ve reached the extent of all the features that you can use for free. That was, but then take the plunge go into doing self hosted model and get

    the experience of the rest of the features that HubSpot doesn’t let you use for free.

    You’ll be off and running. And again, like I said, it is a badge of honor. If you can get it running and keep it running for six months

    on the self hosted version you have proven that you are truly a marketing technologist. Great question. Seth. Thanks for asking. As always please subscribe to the newsletter and the YouTube channel and I’ll talk to you soon. Take care.


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  • 3 Insights From the Stone Temple Next10X Conference

    3 Insights From the Stone Temple Next10X Conference

    I spent the day speaking and attending the Stone Temple Consulting Next10X conference. Three key insights I took away:

    • Social and search dine at separate restaurants, on the analytics side
    • Consider web analytics to measure social
    • Intent matters most across all digital marketing because AI is optimizing for intent

    Big thanks to Eric Enge, Mark Traphagen, and the Stone Temple team for having me!

    Watch the video for details on each of these insights and stay tuned to the Trust Insights blog for the video of my talk, coming very soon.

    Reflections on the Next10X Conference

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    some reflections on the next 10 x conference I had the opportunity to address the conference yesterday in Boston and what a terrific event Stone Temple consulting really put on a terrific show some amazing speakers, we saw, of course, Ann Handley Rand Fishkin

    we saw Larry Kim there and a bunch of other really good folks also really interesting two presenters from the two leading smart speakers companies. So Emily from Amazon the Alexa division there and gosh, I can’t remember her name, but her Twitter handles typewriters from Google, getting to hear about each of the smart speaker platforms. But the real goods

    actually came from both Rand

    and Eric Enge the, the CEO of Stone Temple and three or four things I think stood out that are worth paying attention to, we’re thinking about and our marketing one thing which

    we had found out a while ago and it’s only continued to be reinforced with the data that we all have as an industry is social media metrics are not in any way search metrics and there’s no correlation between the two. These two

    buckets of metrics dinette million died in separate tables. They don’t separate restaurants and so if you’re trying to use one to predict or calibrate on another it’s not going to give you the results you want

    in some of the software I run,

    have we have search metrics

    social media metrics.

    Then click through metrics and

    in a lot of cases they’re all different. The click through metrics more closely relate to search, but not by much. It’s not, it’s not like saying oh if this then absolutely do that all the correlations are very weak

    or non existent or statistically insignificant. So

    be aware of that one point that Eric and Rand both brought up, which I thought was really insightful was that think about what metrics,

    the social networks are no longer sharing right so we saw Twitter took away its its tweet shares

    a couple years ago, LinkedIn, just removed, there’s this past February and the premise behind this the the expression was

    if you if the social networks themselves don’t value these metrics and they’re not giving them to us. Maybe we shouldn’t either. And I think that’s a really important point.

    If you want to measure social media and the impact of social media one probably more effective way to do that

    would be to focus on

    what you see in your web analytics and your marketing on instead of where the results actually begin to come through. So it may be great to get a lot of awareness and brand and reputation.

    But those social metrics by themselves are not enough, especially as

    those as social platforms is particularly Facebook

    switch over to much more of an AI based algorithm and they’ve always they’ve always had a habit. Now it’s getting really really complex and so because of the way deep learning works. There’s no way for us to be able to reverse engineer easily what their own AI has come up with as valuable and because it’s deep learning because it’s constantly retraining itself over time what may be happening this week,

    what’s

    working this week is not what’s going to work next week or the week after because the algorithm changes and learns as we provided more data. So

    that’s one aspect focus on what’s driving traffic

    rather than

    the vanity metrics or the even the the social engagement metrics as a more reliable proxy and also because think about it this way. It’s an apples to apples comparison right your Google Analytics date and what people do once they come to your site should be relatively stable in terms of what’s working, what’s not once they get there because I’m guessing you’re probably not rewriting every page on your website every single day. So keep that in mind. The other thing that was really important is, while the book the presenters talks a lot about intent based SEO, making sure that your content on your page fulfills the intent of a search, not just the keyword, which is insightful, there’s a bigger picture at work here again as artificial intelligence calibrates and learns what we as people, as customers and consumers want

    it’s going to optimize for us it’s going to optimize for our behaviors and so that means that intent matters not just for SEO, but for social for referral traffic for any form of digital marketing for any for a marketing period that intent is what matters and the more you use AI and machine learning in any given channel, the more that intent is going to matter because the machines will be optimizing for our intent, not for our narrow query,

    think about, for example, you know, we’ve been talking a lot about influence on analytics,

    what is our intent

    for that influencers outcome is it brand is it reputation is recommendation is it connection. We’re going to need to use different analytics and different algorithms and different tools and concepts to generate each of these outcomes and the best and smartest influencers and and vendors and companies will have separate methodologies for each of these possible outcomes, because the intent has to be measured

    and managed

    differently. So give that some thought as well intent is what AI is optimizing for across these channels which means that intent is what we have to to be very focused on in all of our marketing

    next next was a terrific event would definitely recommend you go and attend it when it comes around this time next year. Sign up for it when they when it becomes available and and

    lots and lots of good stuff and definitely follow all the folks that were presenting this tweet floating around of all the folks who were speaking yesterday.

    Lots of good stuff to share.

    So as always thank you for watching please subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter and I will talk to you soon. Take care.


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  • You Ask, I Answer: How to Take Marketing to the Next Level?

    You Ask, I Answer_ How to Take Marketing to the Next Level_

    Mark asked, “I have a great team and we do a lot of things right. What do we need to do to take things to the next level?”

    One of the things marketers – and business people in general – do wrong is assume that having the right team is enough. It’s absolutely vital, but it’s only one of the things that separates great marketing from good or average. The thing marketers most often do wrong? Not having a great plan in place, a plan based on time. I liken this to an orchestra lacking a score. It doesn’t matter how talented the players are or how skilled the conductor is if the score is missing.

    This is why descriptive, diagnostic, and predictive analytics are so critical. Analytics helps you create the score from which you play the symphony of marketing.

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    On today’s you asked I answer a question from a dinner last night by Mark

    who asked,

    we’ve got all these great

    individual components, you know, this program is working well this campaigns working on this channel is working well this person’s working well what do we need to do in order to take our marketing to the next level. The answer to this question is

    very much like a symphony orchestra right so you could have a great first violin a great drum and a

    great cello and stuff. But what makes an orchestra work. What makes a symphony play well it’s not just the individual players and it’s not even just the conductor when you think about it, it is the score and what is the key component of a musical score of sheet music.

    The most important thing. The thing

    that defines a score is actually time right it is how time works

    with the right people doing the right things at the right time is what creates that you know Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony, as opposed to just a bunch of noise when you have people who just do things and there’s no coordination. There’s no time there’s no there’s no time as the foundation, then you get a mess. Right. Same thing is true in professional sports are the right people it in the right place at the right time. If the quarterback is throwing the ball and the receivers in the wrong part of the field because the right path field but the wrong time. The play Mrs right and and and bad things happen, same was true and cooking again cooking is all about time. Yes, the ingredients absolutely matter good in Greece will get you about an outcome. But if you don’t follow the recipe and the recipes defined by the steps you need to take over time things break. That’s one of the reasons why descriptive and diagnostic and predictive analytics are so important because they’re all about time they’re all about how to make things how to know what happened. And when and then predict forward. Okay, what’s likely to happen so we can plan ahead and coordinate and orchestrate and score our marketing as though it were a symphony or a football game or a recipe we need to understand time and we need to have that musical score written down

    and defined in order to generate the best possible results. If we have great players.

    That’s a good start. That’s important because you can’t have a a world class Symphony with a bunch of three year olds, you know, hammering away on their on the Fisher Price instruments. It’s cute but it’s not what you’re looking for. It’s not the outcome you want

    so you gotta have the right players and you’ve got to have a good conductor someone who can help bring time to life. They will literally be out there just yo timing and coordinating it so you need that project manager. The someone who can who can provide the governance, the oversight and keep things on the rails. But at the end of the day, if the if you have the conductor of the orchestra and you have the orchestra, but you don’t have the sheet music, you don’t have the score. It’s not going to go very well

    it’s not going to go very well at all. So that’s what

    you need as a marketer and Frank is any kind of business person to take your company to the next level. What, what can you do to lift things up to make things more impactful you need that musical score

    to conduct your orchestra by if you don’t have that

    make that priority one for what you need to do next in order to get to that next level, a great question as part of a much larger conversation about what’s working and what’s not working in marketing and what’s not working in marketing as a whole bunch of people are just kind of winging it being very reactive instead of having that musical score to play from looking forward to today gonna be speaking about AI and marketing of course machines have time built into them, so it’s it’s a question of coordinating machines on on the same musical score. But knowing that they can generally do the they can do the playing of the music pretty well so that will be today’s talk and we’ll be publishing that on the Trust Insights website, assuming that the recording doesn’t like sound like garbage

    or I don’t say something really stupid will publish that on the break just insights website. So as always great question. I post on Twitter and LinkedIn. The other day. What questions do you have that you want me to answer if you got questions please leave them in the comments email them. There’s a link in the comments that will take you to a page, we can write your question in just tweet at me, hit me up on LinkedIn. Let me know what questions you have about marketing about data about analytics that I can answer so that we can continue to have great conversations like this. Thanks for watching. Subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter and I’ll talk to you soon.


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  • You Ask, I Answer: What Predictive Models Do You Work With?

    You Ask, I Answer_ What Predictive Models Do You Work With_

    Ben asks, “Predictive analytics seems like a big topic – what kinds do you work with most or find work best?”

    Prediction falls into two general buckets, scoring and forecasting.

    • Scoring builds a model to understand, as best as possible, why something happened
      • The most common model is multiple linear regression, which is literally ancient
      • The most well-known type is credit scoring
      • The goal is to answer the question, “What caused this?” and secondarily, “Is this likely to happen?”
    • Forecasting attempts to predict when something will happen
      • The most common model is ARIMA, a 1976 algorithm
      • The most well-know type is financial forecasting
      • The goal is to answer the question, “When will this happen?”

    Virtually every major predictive algorithm is available for free in open-source software like R and Python.

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    In today’s you ask I answer Ben asks predictive analytics seems like a big topic, what kinds. Do you work with most or find work best. It is absolutely a big topic and I think it’s probably important we should define what predictive analytics means in this case we are using analytics data to feed statistical algorithms to predict whether something will happen or not and the statistics part is important because predictive analytics in many ways when you boil it down to statistics. It is the probability that something is where is not going to happen. And so that’s, you know, you take away all the fancy industry buzzwords it is just math. It is statistics and it is using those statistics

    to assign probabilities to outcomes,

    which means that when you think about it, you’ve been doing a type of predictive analytics for really long time. I’m you’ve been you’ve been consuming predictive analytics for your entire adult lifetime. Every time you check the weather you are using predictive analytics. Now whether the analytics are any good or not is a second secondary question but that’s a case of, you know, when is something likely to happen

    predictive analytics falls into two buckets there to general kinds of predictive analytics that you would use that we would all use in marketing and business and those two buckets are scoring and forecasting scoring is when you use all these systems and software and stuff to build a model to understand as best as possible. Why, something happened. So

    really the the most common example

    of this is credit scoring

    what

    constitutes someone being a credit risk versus what constitutes someone being the sort of person you would want lend money to and so we would use statistics math to take a whole bunch of variables and try to find a pattern says these combination of things. Gentlemen, something someone has a good risk. These combination of things means something is a bad risk.

    Now

    the most common technique and probably the one that

    you’ve ever taken a statistics course in college or university. The most common model is called multiple linear regression, which is literally ancient it is as old as statistics themselves like thousands of years old and

    you can get more and more complex based on that the goal of scoring is to answer the question what caused this right what caused this person to be a good credit risk or bad credit risk what caused this tax return to be fraudulent or not fraudulent and secondarily, you would use this data to then predict is this likely to happen. So when you fill out a form online. We see this a lot with advanced CRM is this lead likely to become an opportunity is that opportunity likely to close. So what are the characteristics, so that we can predict as early as possible. Yes, invest your time in this here

    don’t invest your time there attribution modeling is another example and this is where predictive and descriptive kind of overlap. So if you were to go into your Google Analytics, you would try to build a descriptive model saying what

    drove leads or what drove purchases or what drove people coming to our store

    and then use that as the basis for

    a predictive model. It’s okay if we know that emails,

    the driving channel can we predict then based on that data, you know, that we should send more email said, Unless email or send an email with different subject lines or emoji things like that

    so that scoring the second bucket is forecasting when is something likely to happen. The most common model here is a Rima. This is a a an algorithm stands for auto aggressive integrated moving averages and it’s from 1976 to data scientists George box. And I can remember Jenkins last first name, but it’s called the called the box Jenkins approach

    and

    probably the most well known consumer use of forecasting is the weather forecast literally

    When is it going to rain

    and and and

    it was weather forecasting is certainly gotten better than it was in the old days when I was growing up, I was literally throwing darts at a board now it is you know substantially better other types of forecasting for when something is likely to happen. People have been trying to apply predictive analytics forecasting analytics to the stock market since the stock market came around

    that is not a good application of it because there are so many hidden and interfering variables that making stock market predictions is very, very difficult, but other types of financial forecasting is certainly much more predictable for marketers this predicting search volume is probably one of the most common uses and certainly one of the most effective uses because search data is generally pretty good. You can forecast on any time series data so you can forecast on social media data you can forecast on email data you can forecast on your Google Analytics data your marketing automation data your sales CRM data. I did a project, not too long ago with a casino taking their daily slot machine revenues and forecasting that because it’s time series data and it has some, you know, very strong cyclicality to it.

    So the goal of forecasting is to answer the question. When is this likely to happen when we know based on our scoring model what then we use forecasting to decide when

    the good news for every month marketer out there is that

    most predictive algorithms are certainly all the common ones are available for free. They’re built right into many open source statistical software like our like Python. For example, and of course commercial systems like SPSS and MATLAB and and and all those things,

    the tough part about predictive analytics is not the concepts. It’s just the application, the concepts. Once you get

    trained up on all the different ways to do both

    scoring and forecasting, then

    the next step is to learn how to decide what models work best and almost every form of algorithm has some sort of either error rate or error checking rate or some sort of probability indicated that tells you how reliable. The model is and that’s where that’s what really separates good from bad when it comes to predictive analytics is if there’s no expression of confidence interval or probability or ever then

    it’s not very good. I would be very cautious of any vendor that says this is the prediction without providing some kind of error rate, maybe not

    like a calorie label on a food, but certainly the ability to explain this is this is the error rate or the p value or something like that

    at least if for software and services that go to fellow data scientists. Now

    if you’re selling to a business user maybe the error rate is good potentially just confuse people so but at the very least, the vendor should be able to answer like this is the likely error rate for this forecast

    in terms of where to get started if you wanted to get started learning this pickup statistics book that because that is the foundation of predictive analytics. So pick up statistics for dummies and go through it, or a pickup, you know, are for Dummies. The

    the book about the physical programming language because that will help you learn the concepts of statistics as you learn to apply them with the programming language. So Ben, great question complex question

    we have a webinar that you can attend on predictive analytics coming up soon put a link in the in the notes here and it will be available on demand afterwards but that’s a much deeper dive into this topic and looking forward to talking about more of this if if predictive analytics is of interest to you and you want to do it for your company my company Trust Insights does that and happy to have a conversation about how we can help. Thanks for watching as always subscribe to the YouTube channel and the email newsletter. I’ll talk to you soon.


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  • You Ask, I Answer: What Marketing Channels Should You Learn?

    You Ask, I Answer_ What Marketing Channels Should You Learn_

    Jonell asks, “There are so many options in digital marketing today. What channels should we focus on learning?”

    Great question – and an important one to predict. Using predictive analytics, we can look forward to what’s likely to grow in digital marketing, based on search volume. Let’s take a look at 15 well-known digital marketing channels to see what people are likely to search for most in the months to come.

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    In today’s you ask I answer one of the questions got was where is digital marketing going, what should we be paying attention to. So what I’ve done here is put together a predictive forecast. This is something we do at my company and looked at a whole bunch of different marketing channels affiliate marketing content marketing, email marketing influencer marketing and so on and so forth and forecasts forward for the next year. What is going to be hot and what’s not every category is ranked on a scale of zero to 100 not meaning that zero means no audience interest. No one’s searching for. It’s based on five years of Google Search data forecasted forward so zero means nobody cares 100 means everybody cares that moment and numbers greater than 100 mean that in the forecast that category is growing. It’s going to be even bigger than it is today. So let’s look at.

    What we’ve got for the remainder of 2018. I’m going to resort this year by by volume right now the hot thing influencer marketing hundred 55 out of 100 so forecast for the rest of your discontinued increased interest in this followed by affiliate marketing Facebook ads Google AdWords LinkedIn content marketing and so on and so forth. When we dig into what’s coming for Resort this little bit we see pretty much the same order all that we see that LinkedIn ads

    actually goes up a bit. So clearly, many of these channels here so you have influencer marketing is the outlier and affiliate marketing with it makes sense affiliate marketing is how a fair number of influencers make money, right. So, these two trends should grow together and we had this middle pack of what I would call the the the modern digital era, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, stuff like that. And then you have.

    Sort of the old school paperclip SEO and then a little bit of native if we add in let’s go ahead and just show a percentage change year over year

    difference and do defense across the table.

    If we look at what’s changing what the percentage changes year over year

    influencer marketing look at the different 79.79%

    growth from the rest of 2018 to 2019 that is a massive juggernaut affiliate marketing up 13% LinkedIn ads up 10% display advertising 8% Public Relations up 6% social media marketing up 5%. So definitely growth in all these categories Twitter ads Google Ads Facebook ads and then down here where we see some declines content marketing to small decline. Pay Per Click email marketing and SEO. So in terms of where you.

    You should be putting your it least time and research and growing your knowledge definitely these categories. Right. These are the categories. Let’s go ahead and resort for the rest of 2018 for the rest 2018 if if you were to focus on five things, it would be influencers and their affiliates Facebook ads Google AdWords and LinkedIn ads and then if you have the opportunity to focus on all this stuff then obviously you know spend some time on any really on any category where over 50 because people at least half interested in that and there’ll be some

    some growth opportunities there if we were to look at this over time. Let’s go ahead and go

    in by time.

    Look at how influencer marketing. This is

    the Gold Line

    is July and October and January March, really, you see.

    These big spikes happening at the beginning of every quarter. As you know, people start ramping up more and more programs you see other things affiliate marketing kind of following a similar more mute pattern we have Facebook ads Facebook ads, of course, more interest in Facebook ads as the retail season begins. And then you see this retail drop off the drop off here you see this general depression here right around between Thanksgiving and the holidays.

    Bear in mind that a lot of this data because it’s in the English language is going to be very Western world centric so you’ll have the Western world holidays impacting it pretty considerably. And over time, you can see these these bottom channels here just kind of there now. Does that mean you should stop doing SEO for example. No, because when you think about it for all these channels here like influencer marketing and affiliate marketing. These are people and behaviors right

    SEO doesn’t serve people SEO serves machines. So it’s it.

    It has a different audience and those machines don’t need to Google for SEO.

    So keep that in mind as well take that with a grain of salt, but definitely in terms of what where audience interest is and where people want to learn more. There is no question we’re where people need to be spending their time and bear in mind this is also not a comprehensive forecast either. There’s a million different channels. There are a million different

    ways to do digital marketing and putting them all into this sort of predictive analysis would take a fair bit of time. So just for the purposes of today’s us to answer about the question of where should we be spending our time.

    These are probably the most well known channels for the most part, and where you might want to invest

    some focus. As always, if you have questions, please.

    submit them to the US guy answer link as subscribed to the newsletter and to the YouTube channel and if you’d like this kind of forecast for your industry. This is something that my company for interest in sites does feel free to reach out and ask about anyway. Great question. Thanks for watching and talk to you soon.


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  • You Ask, I Answer: The Fourth Influencer Archetype

    You Ask, I Answer_ The Fourth Influencer Archetype

    Mark Schaefer commented on my recent episode about influencers:

    “You are rolling old tapes here Chris. You’re viewing the world from a very narrow (B2B tech) perspective. Here’s the fact, influencers sell stuff. A lot of stuff. For many companies this is the most cost-effective sales and marketing efforts they have ever seen. The case studies are powerful and compelling. The techniques are becoming increasingly sophisticated, as is measurement. Influencers can move markets. Are you accurately seeing what is happening out there?”

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    Some of the influencers who sell stuff – and a lot of it – are folks like Gary Vaynerchuk. He’s got his own successful sneaker line, as an example. Gary’s a great example of the sophistication Mark mentions, creating content on literally every channel possible by syndicating content across channels and branching out with new programs all the time. For that top tier method of content, Gary currently spends around $10,000 per day on advertising and his content team is 17 people.

    I’d disagree that measurement – at least on the brand side – is improving. As recently as two months ago when I was working at an agency, measurement of influencers was still disconnected from business results. Even in some of the influencer programs I’m part of now, measurement is neither standardized nor connected to business results, though there are some glimmers of hope. One company recently asked for access to my Facebook Pixel and for a collaborative tagging effort with Google Tag Manager, which was incredibly smart. That’s definitely the right way to go.

    Mark’s comments got me thinking about the fourth influencer archetype. When we examine the ways to measure influencers, our three archetypes – lots of connections coming in as the expert, bilateral connections as the connector, and lots of connections going out as the broadcaster – these focus on the network as a whole. For brands seeking to identify influencers, using these measures of centrality makes a lot of sense, because the brand’s goals are reach, engagement, and meaningful action. To Mark’s point, sell stuff.

    • We understand authority using Eigenvector Centrality, the importance of an individual influencer based on who talks about them.
    • We understand connectivity with Betweenness Centrality, how many times an influencer bridges connections to others in a network.
    • We understand broadcast capability with Closeness Centrality, how few degrees separate an influencer from their audience.

    Mark’s question – do these algorithms accurately see what’s happening (and by extension, people like me who use them) – is important. The blind spot in all these network algorithms that we cannot currently solve – but that our companies desperately want us all to solve – is which influencers create meaningful impact.

    We can’t solve for that right now because we have no access – from the outside – as to who’s driving results. We could, as mentioned earlier, tackle this with tag management and analytics on an individual company basis. From the outside, though, before we sign a deal with an influencer, we want some way of inferring their ability to generate results.

    Perhaps the answer lies in a combination of the different centrality algorithms. Each one judges influencer in a different way, but what would an influencer be capable of if they did all three? What if they were the respected leader of their tribe, that everyone talked about, but also the bridge to connect tribe members, and also so responsive that they were incredibly close to a large part of their network? That fourth influencer archetype, the true super-influencer, would logically be able to compel business results as well, perhaps better than influencers who only ranked well in one algorithm or another.

    That’s worth experimenting with. I know I’ll be working on it, to determine a scalable way to compute that. Thanks, Mark!


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  • You Ask, I Answer: Should You Deploy a Chatbot?

    You Ask, I Answer_ Should You Deploy a Chatbot_

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    “Should my business deploy a chatbot for marketing and customer service? What are the reasons or risks?”

    Chatbots – and any form of automation – promise a programmatic, uniform customer experience. There are two considerations for making this decision:

    • Cost to match the current customer experience
    • Quality of the current customer experience

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    First, how much time, energy, and effort are you willing to invest in building the chatbot? If you’re looking for a fast, easy, solution that’s basically an out-of-the-box experience for you, the marketer, chances are the experience you’re going to provide is terrible. If you’re willing to invest weeks, months, or even years plus lots of people, effort, knowledge, and money to create and tune the AI behind today’s chatbots exclusively for your business, chances are the experience you’re going to provide will be good.

    Second, what’s the quality of the current experience you’re providing? If you’re providing a great experience with humans now, then the bar for your chatbot is very high and it’s going to take a lot of time and resources to match that experience. If the experience you provide now is appalling – think Department of Motor Vehicles awful – then the bar for your chatbot is very low and pretty much anything except literally slapping customers in the face will be an improvement.

    Those are the two levers you have to honestly audit and measure first. The latter, the customer experience, has many, many measurement systems like surveys, Net Promoter Scores, etc. that you can use to judge your customer experience. If your scores are terrible, then a chatbot could be a promising alternative – but also, take some time to fix your current customer experience and you might find a chatbot is unnecessary.

    One important distinction: tinkering with and trying out chatbots is something every marketer should be doing. Whether or not you deploy them, you should be testing them out to learn more and see what’s possible.

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