Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

Category: Marketing

Do this one thing to immediately improve your SEO
If your business has any physical presence at all (meaning not just a PO Box somewhere), even if you don’t take walk-ins, you need to do this:

This is a Google Local Business registration. You put your business name and address in, and claim your local business on the map. Tag it with the industries that you want to be searched for, put in your business hours and other contact information, and let it rip. The lift is almost immediate. For every business I’ve done this for (and I’ve done it a couple of dozen times), local search traffic has doubled or tripled immediately.

Here’s an example, this is the Marketing Over Coffee podcast. I put the listing in at the local doughnut shop because that’s where I convene with my friend and co-host John Wall. We do have business hours and a physical location, and I put us in as a marketing agency because you could in theory hire us (at exorbitant rates) to come fix up your marketing shop. Look at the effect a local registration had:

We also see corresponding increases in our broad SEO as well.

Take the time to do this for your business. It costs you nothing at all except the two minutes to fill out the forms and verify your business, and the rewards are worth it.

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January 17, 2013
The convergence of search and brand
Once upon a time, search engine optimization and branding lived apart. They dined at separate tables. The SEO guys (and they were almost always guys) tooled away in a server room or a windowless closet, coming up with awkward twists of language like BEST COLLEGE STUDENT LOANS. The brand marketers and PR folks, meanwhile, were out pitching the shiny brand to anyone who would sit still long enough, with beautifully crafted tradeshow swag, coffee mugs with logos on them, and splashy signs and displays.

Then the world changed. Suddenly, brand became important to search engines like Google, which started to emphasize the power of brand in its search results as early as 2011. Suddenly, SEO became important to brand marketers, when marketing became quantified and the output of marketing was lead generation, not brochures.

The final nail in the coffin for the separation of brand and search happened on January 15, 2013, when Facebook announced its Graph Search product that allows you to discover new connections, new companies, and new brands based on what your friends like. Suddenly, the power of your brand (and the words people used to define it) became your search:

The loyalty of a customer is now as much defined by how they share you (the power of your brand) as how they do business with you, because your customer is your search marketing. Your customers who share you will define how people will find you. For example, I’m in the Boston area. If someone searches for a martial arts school near Boston who their friends like and I’m their friend, then the Boston Martial Arts Center should be prominent in the results, because of my engagement with that brand. If someone searches for a data science firm that their friends like, and I’m friends with them, then Trust Insights should be prominent in the results. I as the customer or advocate am providing the search results because of my network.

It isn’t just Facebook, either. Google has done this for some time with Search Plus Your World; Facebook just does this in a relationship-centric model, while Google still blends in plenty of content to its relationship search. Between the two, you must get your customers, fans, and advocates to share the heck out of you or risk permanent search obscurity.

The rules of the game have changed. It’s not just what you know. It’s not just who you know. It’s all that plus who knows and shares you.

Want 5 tips for how to prepare for Facebook Graph Search? My thoughts on graph search optimization are here.

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January 16, 2013
Are you looking for counter-influences in your marketing?
The topic of influence continues to be a focus of marketing this year, as it was last year. People are flinging content at prospective customers as fast as possible, but one of the most important aspects of influence continues to be largely ignored: counter-influences.

Here’s a simple example. Imagine for a moment that you’re a real estate agent. A new person enters your database and you begin a standard routine of content marketing with them. You provide value, you reach out, you do all of the right things that every content marketing guidebook says you should be doing, but the prospect shows no sign of moving forward in the process. On a whim, you reach out by phone after half a year of having this prospect in your database and you say, “Hey Bob, I had a question for you. I know you love the newsletter we send out, and you attend the talks we give, but you’ve never shown any interest in our services. May I ask why?”

Only then does Bob reveal that he had just bought a house not three months before entering your database, and he was idly shopping around to see if his purchase had been a sound one. Given that the average residential sales cycle of homes is between 7 and 12 years, Bob has a very long time to spend in your database before he’s ready to even consider buying. You can nurture the relationship until then, but that’s an awful lot of content to ship to him while you wait.

Influence – your influence with your prospects – can be counteracted by any number of conditions, from timing in the sales cycle to your company’s reputation impeding your efforts (or vice versa). For example, I recently received a visit from a door to door salesman who would make a Congressman look ethical in his attempts to do a hard sell as fast as possible. His company’s brand was destroyed that day as I’ll never even contemplate buying from them because of his behavior. Though that company might have a wonderful content marketing system and might do all the right things when it comes to engagement, the bad experience with their sales critter severely damaged their brand beyond any ability for them to recoup revenue from me.

How do you detect these hidden counter-influences? Believe it or not, the solution is one of the most simple choices available: the simple comments box.

A simple comments box allows people to enter free-form text explaining what it is they’re interested in or not interested in. Asking people what they need is the only guaranteed way to determine what factors are causing a buying decision (or blocking it) and giving you indicators about what you should do to improve your buying process. It does require a human being to read through them and see what prospective customers are saying, however, which means it’s not something you can simply automate and forget about. The time invested in listening to customers, however, will pay dividends as you learn what’s on their minds, which in turn gives you more influence with them.

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January 15, 2013
How to increase your email open rate by 30%
I’ve been doing a test over the last few months with my email newsletter. This is a very simple, very basic tactic: announce the newsletter to folks when it ships.

It’s simple. It’s barebones. Does it make a difference? I took a look at my basic analytics and found that on the weeks when I don’t announce, the average open rate of my email is about 10%, give or take, on a list of 10,000 active subscribers. On the weeks that I do announce? It’s about 13% on average.

If your audience is socially connected, something as simple (and as cost-free) as announcing on your social channels that you’ve sent your newsletter can drive up your open rates by 30%. That’s not small change, because the more people who open, the more people who can click, and the more people who can do business with you. Don’t take my word for it – test it out for yourself! Benchmark your existing open rates over the last 10 newsletters and then make a point of announcing via social media that you’ve sent your newsletter for the next 10. Compare and see for yourself whether it works for you or not.

The usual warning about data applies here: this is my audience only. Your results will vary, and what works for me may not work for you. Test!

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January 14, 2013
Industry standards are a waste of your time
One of the most asked questions I get is about industry standards. “How do we compare for likes, retweets, email open rates, website visitors, and every other marketing metric versus industry standards?” The answer is: it doesn’t matter at all. Not one bit. Why? Because industry standards have nothing to do with you or your business.

For example, Snickers bars and broccoli are both products in the food industry. Can anyone argue with a straight face that the engagement of fans of Snickers and Green Giant broccoli will be at all comparable?

Smallville Credit Union and Golden Slacks MegaHedgeFund are both in financial services. One serves a small town of 300 people and keeps Grandma from storing her nickels in a mattress. The other serves only people with 10 million dollars in disposable fun money. Do you think their website traffic or email list performance will be even close to the same? Yet they’re both financial services, and they’d both be lumped into some foolish “social media industry standard for financial services” report.

Imagine a fitness company published a report saying that the average runner ran a 12 minute mile. If you’re an expert runner, you simply ignore that because you’ve already got it beat and you’re working on improving your own times. If you’re a novice runner, all it does is discourage you and makes you feel bad. That bit of information does nothing to help you substantially improve your running. What does? Beating your previous times. Going for a new personal record, which is the only metric that actually matters.

The same applies to your marketing and your business. Pay no attention to what others are doing with their metrics as a basis for comparison for your own company. What should you pay attention to? Continuous improvement of your own metrics. Launch a website. Send an email. Tweet something. Then measure. The next time you do the same action, try to improve upon it. Get 1.1% open rate instead of 1.0%. Get 1 more visitor to your website today than yesterday.

Build your business by always working on beating yourself, and if you stay focused, you’ll be beating everyone else, too.

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January 10, 2013
How to make your own “Best day to post” Facebook chart
Recently, a number of folks have made a big deal out of yet another “Best day to…” chart, this time about Facebook. As I’ve said in the past, there is no overall best day to do anything. It’s a fiction. There isn’t even a best day by industry – consider that Smallville Credit Union and Golden Slacks Giant Hedge Fund are both in the financial services industry. Can anyone reasonably argue that their social media metrics will look the same or similar enough to be meaningful?

So what should you do, if your CEO is demanding that you only post on Saturdays at 2 PM because that’s when X Magazine that he read on the plane said to? You need to get your game on and your data on yourself. Let’s look at how you’d do that.

First, you need your Facebook data. Get it from the Insights control panel:

Next, fire up the spreadsheet software of your choice, open the file, and delete any column not labeled daily.

Third, add a column at the beginning called Day of Week. Look in your calendar, append the first two days, and drag down to populate the rest of the column:

Now sort by the Day of Week column, then insert a new line (Oz du Soleil is laughing at me at this point for my lack of Excel skills) and subtotal each day of the week.

Extract just the subtotal rows (I copied them and pasted them as values):

Now make radar charts out of them using the built-in radar chart tool.

Congratulations. Now you have a sexy radar map chart that you can insert into the slideshow of your choice, showing when the best days for YOUR company, YOUR page, YOUR Facebook efforts are for you to be doing things, based on what you’ve already done. This is automatically better than a generic “best day” chart or an industry-standard chart because it’s telling you how YOU are doing.

But here’s the catch. Here’s the giant lurking under the surface of this very pretty chart.

If you are bad at using social media, if you’re creating content that isn’t compelling, if you engage poorly or not at all, then none of this matters. This sort of analysis is valuable only after you’ve already got a content schedule rolling out with consistency and with serious effort and resources behind it.

I saw one chart recently talking about how thousands of top brands are using social media and their best days and times to post. The logical flaw is that top brands aren’t top brands only because of their use of social media. Forbes Magazine rated the top 100 brands in the world. The world’s #1 brand? Apple – a company that is notorious for simply not bothering with social media. If the world’s top brand isn’t good at social, then what makes you think any of the other top brands are doing a good job with social, or that social is contributing to their success?

Measure your own stuff. Implement best practices as a starting point and test, measure, then adjust. Once you’re seeing bottom-line results, only then should you make a pretty chart like the one above.

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January 9, 2013
Stop using ROI…
… when you are talking about an outcome that is non-monetary.

Awareness of a cause is not a monetary outcome. Certainly you can save money on the promotion of the cause, but your end goal is awareness. It’s non-monetary. You either generated more awareness or you didn’t.

Election to office is a binary, non-monetary outcome. Either you won or you didn’t. The bribes you take in office might be a return on your investment, Congressman, but the outcome itself is non-monetary.

Subscribers to your email list is not a monetary outcome. The subscriber can have value downstream if you plan to monetize your list, but if your only goal is subscribers, then it’s a non-monetary outcome.

The only time that ROI applies is when your outcome involves dollar earnings and dollar expenditures.

(technically, for the math folks, you can have ROI without earnings if you are okay with -100% ROI, where you lose it all. 0 earned – x spent / x spent = -100% ROI)

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January 8, 2013
Jigsaw puzzles and marketing metrics
Does this sound familiar? In your quest for marketing goals, marketing ROI, or marketing measurement, you find yourself with hundreds of different data points and no clear sense of what any of them mean. You have a bucket of web analytics, from conversions to unique visitors to bounce rates. You have your marketing automation metrics, like MQL, SQL, and ratios. You have your sales metrics like deal size and time, or ownership lifecycle. Yet despite having more data than ever, you feel lost.

I have the same feeling around the holidays when I visit my folks and the jigsaw puzzle of the week is pulled out from storage. All of the pieces are poured out on the table, turned face up, and we see a montage of chaos. So many pieces. So many colors. So many options. It feels initially overwhelming, dizzying in its complexity.

Yet solving it starts almost immediately with a piece of simple wisdom: find all the edge pieces so that we can establish the outside frame. Frame up the puzzle, and that begins to transform chaos into order. The frame comes together and we start to see the patterns of colors and shapes hinted at from the outside edges. Colors begin to blend together. Edges begin to fit together. Patches of related pieces form up into blocks, and those blocks link up. Before the holiday is over, the puzzle comes together, and we see the big picture.

This could be your marketing, too. Figure out the edges, the boundaries, the outside borders that will define what you’re trying to measure. Understand the goals at the very bottom of the process, the things that keep the lights on. Understand the inputs at the very top of the process, the raw fuel that powers the entire thing. Once you know where the boundaries are, work your way inwards, and you’ll start to see the pieces come together. Your web analytics, instead of being a thousand disparate pieces, will begin to paint a small picture of their own. Absolute unique visitors come to your site, some bounce off, some stick. You begin to see a pattern – those that bounce are overwhelmingly using mobile devices, and that part of the puzzle becomes clear. Or you see conversions begin to march through the funnel and stop, and you know that a piece of the puzzle is missing there. Your sales metrics begin to make sense as you see changes from stage to stage, and you know exactly where your sales team is dropping the ball.

The mistake lies in believing that you can just start randomly anywhere, or that you’re powerful enough to assemble the puzzle all at once. Neither is true. Starting anywhere makes for a very long, very frustrating puzzle process and for a very long, very frustrating marketing metrics system. Believing that you can snap together the entire puzzle at once is hubris. Believing you can solve all business and marketing problems at once borders on delusional. Even the smallest online business still has more metrics than ever because of the nature of digital marketing.

The marketing metrics you’re trying to make sense of can be solved. There is a solution in reach, and it’s not unlike the jigsaw puzzle on the kitchen table at the holidays. Find your boundaries, start looking for patterns, and eventually you’ll have a completed puzzle, whether it’s a jigsaw puzzle or your business.

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January 7, 2013
How often do you do the Lumbergh?
If you’ve never seen the movie Office Space (which I recommend heartily), you missed the character of Bill Lumbergh, played by Gary Cole:

Office Space TPS Reports
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For all of his many, many, many faults, the Lumbergh character does something vital that you need to incorporate if you want to be a successful marketer: he gets out from behind his desk and wanders around the office.

As marketers, especially in today’s digital marketing environment in which you can accomplish everything your job requires from your laptop or iPad, it’s all too easy to lose touch with colleagues, coworkers, and customers. We can and do stay safely in our cubicles or behind our desks, looking at analytics reports, checking PPC ad performance, and avoiding other human beings. However, it’s a massive hindrance to our ability to market effectively because we don’t know what’s going on in the real world.

This year is being promoted as the year of Big Data. The gaping flaw in the entirety of Big Data is that no amount of accumulated transactional and analytical data is ever going to tell you why someone did something. You’ll know what happened down to the nanosecond, but uncovering the motivations of why someone did something requires you to ask them and get a human response.

Do the Lumbergh. Walk around your company and listen. Hear what people are saying on the phone to customers, to clients, to coworkers. Wander into different departments. Say hi to the developers, wander through customer service, talk to your account managers, visit the sales team. Go to conferences and trade shows and listen carefully. Participate in discussions, but focus on what challenges people are facing rather than just hawking your own stuff. Even if you’re a remote employee or a virtual employee, you can still Lumbergh – ask to sit behind the customer inbox for a day or man the chat room on your website or answer the phones.

Listen to people as they share what’s important to them. That’s the single best way to get new material for your marketing efforts (especially for content marketing).

The coffee mug and TPS reports are optional.

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January 4, 2013
What a marksmanship hunter can teach you about marketing methods
My main character I’ve been playing recently in World of Warcraft is my marksmanship hunter, which is probably the most complex class of character I’ve played in the game. Why? In order to get the maximum performance out of the marksmanship hunter, you have to memorize and execute a very tight, very fragile rotation of abilities, hitting the right buttons at the right time. It’s a very unforgiving class to play – the difference between a top-of-the-charts hunter and the bottom of the barrel can be as little as a few missed button presses.

For example, my Death Knight’s main set of abilities looks like this relatively simple priority list in order to get the maximum performance out of him:
1. Keep diseases on target.
2. Use frost, unholy, and death runes for Death Strike.
3. Use blood runes on Heart Strike unless there’s a free Blood Boil proc.
4. Burn runic power using Rune Strike.
5. Use Soul Reaper on targets below 35% health.
Pretty straightforward. Now the hunter?
1. Apply traps before the tank pulls.
2. Cast Misdrection on the tank.
3. Apply Hunter’s Mark.
4. Apply Serpent Sting.
5. Cast Rapid Fire whenever ready.
6. Fire two Steady Shots in a row.
7. Cast Chimera Shot whenever it’s ready.
8. Cast Aimed Shot whenever Master Marksman procs.
9. Cast Glaive Toss whenever it’s ready.
10. Cast Dire Beast whenever it’s ready.
11. Cast Stampede whenever it’s ready.
12. Cast Murder of Crows whenever it’s ready.
13. Cast Readiness to reset Dire Beast, Stampede, Murder of Crows, and Rapid Fire, but is mandatory before the target goes below 80% health.
14. Cast Kill Shot whenever it’s ready.
15. Cast Steady Shot to generate focus.
16. Cast Arcane Shot to use excess focus.
17. Cast Mend Pet when needed.
You practically need an administrative assistant to call out the shots by order to maximize the amount of damage that the marksmanship hunter can do. There’s an additional trick in there, too – your abilities change when the target’s health is above 80%, and there’s a different order of shots. To even be competitive, much less chart-topping, you have to have the sequence memorized and do exactly the right things at exactly the right times. Oh, and you still have to be able to move around to avoid the inevitable pools of fire/acid/shadow/goo on the floor as well.

There are plenty of situations where you have to go with a suboptimal rotation as well. Things happen, and you have to adapt and make the best choices to salvage what performance you can. Maybe the healer in your group suddenly gets attacked. If that happens, you cast Misdirection and spam Multi-Shot to save your healer, at the cost of doing maximum damage. Maybe the tank falls over dead and your pet has to take over. You turn on Growl, spam the daylights out of Mend Pet, and fire off what shots you can while keeping your pet alive long enough for the rest of the group to finish off the bad guys. The difference between a bad hunter and a good hunter is knowing what your abilities do, and what you can leave out in the short term and still do pretty good damage despite adverse circumstances.

So what does this have to do with marketing? The ugly truth is that marketing looks a lot more like the hunter’s world than the Death Knight’s world. We have an exhaustive menu of methods at our disposal and limited time, energy, and resources to make them happen. We have to make choices to maximize what impact we can have, understanding that very rarely will we ever be in an ideal situation where we can use all of our abilities in exactly the right sequence at exactly the right time. For example, imagine this was your marketing “rotation” for a product launch.
1. Set up website landing page
2. Turn on analytics and marketing automation
3. Build email templates
4. Curate and collate social media audience
5. Write media outreach pieces
6. Assemble email list
7. Do media interviews
8. Launch social campaign when first media hit lands
9. Time email campaign to coincide with social campaign
10. Launch PPC ads to augment landing page
That’s a pretty ideal order of things. Now imagine that you don’t have all the time and money in the world, or imagine that your company suddenly has a sales shortfall and needs to scramble rapidly to rebuild the pipeline. What do you sacrifice? Do you can the PPC ads, or do you not spend money on the media outreach? If you don’t know what all of your abilities are and what impact they can have on your marketing, then you’re going to vastly underperform. If you know what marketing “buttons” to push and in what order – and what you can leave out in a short-term resource crunch – then you can make the most of a suboptimal situation.

Being a hunter in World of Warcraft can be incredibly rewarding and satisfying once you know what you’re doing and can execute under pressure. The same is true of being a digital marketer. May your DPS top the charts, and may your marketing win the business!

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January 3, 2013

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