Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Value of Content Marketing in an AI World?

    You Ask, I Answer: Value of Content Marketing in an AI World?

    In this video, Christopher Penn discusses the impact of large language models on content marketing and the challenges that come with it. While these models are good at generating and refining content, the lack of an exchange of traffic between the models and content creators creates a new economic equation. Christopher suggests that instead of solely focusing on top-of-the-funnel awareness, content marketers should shift their focus to creating content that nurtures and retains existing customers. By investing resources in creating content that makes customers happy and building a strong community, companies can reduce churn rates and improve customer loyalty.

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    In today’s episode, Jason asks, What is the future of content marketing.

    Now with tools like chat GPT and other large language models, this is not surprising question after our conversation last time about the effects on SEO, in terms of the way these tools are going to impact content marketing.

    Right now, the tools are good at generating content, they are great at refining content, or transforming it from one type to another.

    This is easily seen when you take something like a transcript from a call and ask one of these tools, some of these large language models to go ahead and rewrite that as a journal article or a newspaper piece or something along those lines, where it can reformat the data that you’re giving it.

    Hence, the name, transformer generative pre trained transformer.

    That’s what GPT-2 stands for.

    And those are really powerful and very effective, what they do in the bigger picture of how these tools are going to impact content marketing is going to depend a lot on settling some legal issues.

    Namely, the data that these tools are trained on may not have what we know for sure has not been given conceptually, because you were probably not asking when these tools made their crawl the web, hey, can we use your blog as part of the training data set? This is also true for images, there is no precedent set in law yet that would determine how these tools could or could not use that data.

    But that brings to a much bigger question about the value of content, and the purpose of content and the the system of exchange that we’ve had in place.

    For the last 25 years.

    Now, we’ve had sort of a tacit agreement with technology companies, companies like Google and Facebook and Twitter and YouTube, etc.

    And the agreement has been this, we give you content for free, that we take our time and effort to publish and to make.

    And in exchange, you send us new potential customers for free.

    And that’s sort of the bilateral exchange, we make this stuff for you.

    And then you send us prospects, the large language models in particular, but all the generative AI models, sort of break this arrangement.

    Think about it, when you go on to the new Bing, or the new Google and stuff that Google borrowed from the demos that have been shown.

    Where is your website, listed in the citations and in the sources for these new models, if you look at beings beings are tiny little pillbox citations, like footnotes and the results and then the Google demo, there wasn’t any.

    That means that a large language model that was trained on our stuff collectively, is not sending us traffic back.

    Right.

    So it breaks that economic model, it breaks that model of saying, We’re gonna give you this for free, and you send us customers for free.

    Now, the large language models and these generative AI models are effectively saying you give us your content for free, we give you nothing back.

    Now, you don’t need to be an economist to figure out that’s a pretty raw deal.

    And so a big challenge for content marketers is to say, Well, if the economic equation is broken, why do we need to do content marketing? Right? Why do we need to publish stuff in the hopes of these technology companies sending us traffic when we know they’re not going to? This is not the first time we’ve dealt with this think about, for example, Facebook, in the first five years of Facebook’s public availability really thinking 2010 to 2015.

    They sent businesses a lot of traffic, a lot of potential customers, sharing links, sharing all sorts of content and people were thrilled people made Facebook a core part of their social media marketing strategy.

    Today, you know, really the last seven or eight years, that equation is totally different.

    Now, you have to pay for anything on Facebook to be seen at all much less to be able to contact your followers in any reasonable method or period of time.

    And your organic your unpaid reach is pretty much zero, right? So the economic equation changed however, in exchange companies have largely recognized Well, is there a point in publishing organic content to Facebook? No, cuz you’re not gonna get paid for it.

    Right? Your your pay is the form of new customers and if you get no reach, why bother doing it? That doesn’t materially harm Facebook’s model because a lot of the the interactions they are interpersonal reactions on a person to person basis and not business.

    As in something like training and building large language models, who publishes the majority of content online, there are certainly many, many individuals who published and post content blogs like the one you’re reading now.

    But there’s way more corporate content, right? All these different websites and such.

    And if the value is no longer in search for that content marketing, we’re, what is the value? Here’s what to think about.

    The value of content marketing, is not just as a discovery mechanism, it is as a nurturing mechanism.

    It is as a loyalty mechanism.

    And it’s those areas of the marketing operations funnel that we should probably pay more attention to anyway.

    Think about it.

    How much time and effort do you currently put into your content marketing right now at sort of that top of the funnel awareness slash discovery phase, I’d be willing to wager it’s the majority of your time, right? You’re trying to get improved search listings, you’re trying to get more traffic out of social media, you’re trying to attract eyeballs, you’re pushing out content on YouTube, and Tiktok.

    And all those places.

    How much of that content that you’re creating is directed at your loyal customers is specifically made just for them, and nobody else? Not as much as attracting new folks, right? It’s the same kind of thing that companies do with their marketing budgets, they spend inordinate sums of money attracting to attract new customers, and they kind of ignore the existing customers, which creates customer churn.

    Because customers recognize, hey, I got a better deal.

    If I abandon this company, and come back in a month than I that I get staying with them and being a loyal customer.

    So if you flip your content marketing strategy, to creating content that makes your existing customers deliriously happy, your content marketing will still serve a vital function, probably a badly neglected function.

    And in turn, those now very happy customers who no longer feel like they’re getting ignored in favor of you know, the new customers will probably be more likely to recommend you to refer you to spread news about you via word of mouth.

    So that to me, is the the sensible future, for content marketing, yes, there will still always be a place to to create awareness based content.

    But if search and social continue to change as dramatically as they do, and incorporate much more generative AI capabilities that might free us up, to be able to really focus in on building those relationships with our loyal customers, building our communities, for our loyal customers, and making them as happy as possible so that when behind closed doors in Slack, and and discord and telegram and all these places that that machines can’t read.

    Our customers are talking about us in a positive light, our customers are recommending us to others in the private discussions and that group chat or that group text, that that people have.

    That’s the future of content marketing, that if we invest our scarce resources wisely, will probably provide the biggest bang for the buck.

    Think about it.

    How often have you heard the correct trope that it costs x times more money to acquire a new customer then does to retain an existing one that isn’t just for customer service? That is for all marketing.

    If you took 80% of your content marketing budget that you’re using for acquisition and put it into attention, what kind of impact would that have on your business? What if you could cut your churn rate by 50%? Just with the power of great content marketing? give that some thought.

    That’s a it’s a great question about the future of content marketing and the answer, I feel is in in making our existing customers happier.

    Thanks for the question.

    We’ll talk to you next time.

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    What’s On My Mind: Avert Panic With Focus

    We’ve talked a lot recently about ChatGPT and SEO, about how organic search itself is going to fundamentally change in the very near future. A lot of folks have understandably reacted very strongly to the news, asking what they should do, what the consequences will be. The reality is, no one knows. We can make some very educated guesses about how people react based on how people generally react to massive technological change, but we cannot promise or guarantee any outcome.

    What we can promise, what we can guarantee, is something that Amazon founder and former CEO Jeff Bezos advocated for, and it’s a sensible strategy: focus on what doesn’t change. What are the aspects of our behavior, of our customers’ behavior that won’t change no matter the technological intermediary?

    At the most basic level, generally speaking, all consumers (and I include B2B and B2C here in the term consumer) want things to be better, faster, and cheaper. I know of no one in a position of responsibility, of decision-making who says “yes, you know, I think I’d like to pay more for absolutely no good reason”. That doesn’t happen. But people want to pay less all the time. People want things to be faster. People want things to be better. That doesn’t change.

    Our biochemical brains don’t change, not really. We haven’t had significant hardware upgrades in millennia; the human being who walks the earth today isn’t substantially different than the human being who walked the earth 2,000 years ago or even 10,000 years ago. We are still motivated by base emotions like joy, anger, fear, sadness, and love. The mechanisms that we might use to express those emotions certainly differ now, but the driving forces themselves are the same.

    Habits like word of mouth don’t change. We still talk to our friends, families, and colleagues about strong positive or negative experiences. We still rage at poor service or gush over exceptional experiences. The merchant at the bazaar in ancient Sumeria marketed with the same word of mouth we use today.

    Where should our focus be, if we want to succeed in our marketing and our business? The same place it should have been all along: on making our customers as deliriously happy as we can, so that they are compelled to share their experiences with the wider world. Investing in things that make us remarkable in the literal sense – worthy of remark, as Seth Godin says.

    If you have something that’s worth remarking on, it makes it a lot easier to do everything we’ve talked about. Word of mouth spreads, regardless of channel. People ask about your brand specifically. Ad costs go down a little as performance increases. People join your communities and stick around for the value you provide them.

    Is this new? No. Is this revelatory? No. Is this insightful? No.

    It’s obvious, isn’t it?

    So why aren’t you doing it already?

    When any new technological innovation comes out that has the potential to disrupt your marketing or your business, ask yourself first if it substantially changes the things that don’t change. Smartphones, for example, make it substantially easier for people to document their experiences, good and bad alike. They make word of mouth easier. The Internet opened up whole new channels for people to perform the exact same behaviors, just online.

    As for AI-mediated experiences like ChatGPT? The jury’s still out, because people still generally prefer to deal with people. We’ll see how it all plays out, but if you remain laser focused on the things that don’t change and being actually remarkable, chances are you’ll weather the turbulent seas ahead better than your competitors who flail and drown.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: B2B or B2C Benefits More From AI?

    You Ask, I Answer: B2B or B2C Benefits More From AI?

    Unlock the benefits of AI for your business with this expert analysis. Discover which industry, B2B or B2C, will see more advantages from AI, and why. With insights into cost-effectiveness, scale, and expectations, find out how your business can leverage AI for greater efficiency and success. Watch now to learn more. Hit that subscribe button for more expert advice.

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    In today’s episode, Mary asks, which industry, B2B or B2C will benefit more from artificial intelligence? And that’s a tough question to answer.

    But my inclination is that B2B will enjoy more of the benefits of AI with fewer of the costs.

    And here’s why.

    When you’re talking B2C, we’re talking business to consumer, we’re talking about many times scale, the ability for a chatbot to be able to run on your website and address millions of people handle customer service issues and things like that.

    Personalization, doing RFM analysis doing predictive forecasting for customers.

    All of that is incredible value that AI can unlock for a B2C company.

    But one of the challenges that comes with that is scale.

    If you’ve got millions of customers, you have a compute problem, in the sense that it costs a lot of money to deploy some of these engines.

    To add scale.

    If you’re using a an API based service like OpenAI, for example.

    Every time you hit that API, you’re costing money.

    And if you’re sending out a million messages, or a million tweets or things like that, bill gets pretty big pretty fast.

    To the point where for the largest enterprise B2C companies, companies like Target or WalMart, for example, it’s going to be more cost effective for them to build their own in the long run.

    Because of just the sheer scale this your amount of scale they have.

    B2B companies typically don’t have that problem.

    B2B companies have audiences in the 1000s, rather than the millions have addressable audiences in the 1000s, rather than the millions and have.

    They have the same needs for customization personalization forecasting generation.

    But because the scale is so much smaller, they can afford to do use the nicer stuff.

    They can afford to build an integration with OpenAI, for example.

    And instead of having, you know, millions of people hitting their app, they might have 500 people hitting a chat GPT-2 Like app within the company.

    And so their bills will be much lower.

    But those those tasks that AI handles will make them far more efficient, and make them far better at their jobs.

    And so, as I look at the landscape, both B2B and B2C companies stand to benefit substantially from the use of AI, particularly the use of AI and marketing, AI and sales, etc.

    But B does B2B companies feel like this is this is subjective opinion, but B2B companies feel like they will be able to benefit more from the particular strengths of AI.

    Without the costs of scale, they will be able to use more computationally expensive technologies, because again, you don’t have to deliver massive volume.

    For example, inside of a CRM package, you might have something like a chatbot, like a chat GPT-3 in there to help construct dialogue, or to generate messages.

    In those situations, a B2B company might not have the same latency demands that a B2C company might example, you are on a B2C companies website and you’re working with a chatbot, you expect that chat bot to be fast and responsive to get back to you to answer as though it were a real person.

    Contrast that with something like in B2B, where you’re in your marketing automation software, and you tell it to generate a bunch of tweets.

    You’re okay, if it says like, yeah, come back in five minutes, right? And they’ll be done.

    Like, okay, cool.

    I’m gonna go on to another thing on my to do list and let it do its thing.

    That difference in expectations means that B2B companies will be able to leverage the more computationally expensive models because people are okay with that experience.

    They’re used to it experience where yeah, there is some batch processing, there’s some delay, etc.

    Whereas consumers and B2C are a lot less tolerant of that kind of thing.

    So again, both types of industry will benefit from AI, but I definitely see B2B as being able to use it more and to get greater benefit from it.

    It’s a really interesting question.

    It’s a really interesting question.

    So thank you for that.

    Take care.

    I’ll talk to you soon.

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  • Mind Readings: Build Your Own Event

    Mind Readings: Build Your Own Event

    Get motivated to create your own event! In this episode, we dive into the world of unconferences, where communities come together to self-organize events with minimal costs. Discover how creating an event from scratch can lead to lifelong friendships, business relationships, and even professional debuts. Don’t let the lack of a company hold you back, if your community is asking for it, it’s time to take the leap and show that you can make it a successful business.

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    In this episode, let’s talk about motivation of it.

    I was reading a conversation not too long ago, in one of the discord servers I’m in that folks were folks had been petitioning a convention and events company to hold a convention for their particular area of interest in the convention company said, we don’t think there’s money in it, so we’re not going to do it.

    And so a lot of folks were really upset about this really, really angry.

    And I found that interesting, because there’s two things that I think are challenging about that approach.

    One is, people’s reaction to being told no for business decision was vigorous.

    And that’s fine.

    People are entitled to react to the things however they want.

    But the second was, the automatic presumption that an events company was necessary for you to have this convention to have this conference.

    That’s absolutely not true.

    In 2006, now, 17 years ago, my friend Chris Brogan and I got together with three other folks.

    And we said, let’s do a new media conference.

    That wasn’t one that at the time, we felt, suited the, the needs of the community, and was affordable, and was easy for people to participate in.

    And so borrowing off the bar camp model, we created PodCamp, PodCamp, Boston was September of 2006.

    And it’s funny because this is the time of record this in about a month’s time, I’m gonna be going down to Philadelphia for PodCamp Philly.

    17 years later, the event still exists is still going still going on.

    And I bring this up because there was no blueprint, there was no company that wanted to take on this harebrained scheme, right.

    For those who are unfamiliar, an unconference is barely controlled chaos, where you invite a bunch of people together.

    And the people sort of self organize their own event, you provide a facility.

    And then anybody is welcome to start a session in as many spaces and places as you have, regardless of qualification, and things just either happen or don’t.

    And people are encouraged to use what’s called the law of two feet, which is if you’re not getting something out of the gathering, and walk to another one.

    So if somebody gets up there and starts being a jerk, we’ll get up and walk out.

    These kinds of events are not expensive.

    There, there is still a cost, right you have to have a facility have a venue where you can have people gather, you have to provide some minimal accommodations, you know these coffee for people.

    But it’s entirely possible to do that.

    And to not only do that, but then to extend it, create it turn into a movement where other people can take the same template and run with it.

    That’s what the whole unconference movement is about.

    And unconferences sort of came and went, they had their their heyday right around the same time as the first golden age of podcasting.

    But they the system, the idea that the template is still very valuable for anyone who wants to create a community driven event where other people aren’t willing to take the chance.

    For the same price is like buying a billboard, you can rent a facility and encourage people to come on over and participate, participate in an event that is run by people.

    Keep your costs minimal.

    Ideally, you might even do something like publish your ledger so that people can see like, yeah, you’re not pocketing all the money.

    And actually, any money being collected is being put back into the event that people tend to like that sort of thing.

    But the important takeaway here is that, especially for something like a conference and event, you have the ability to create your own.

    And if there’s a market there of even 50 people, right, just get your local exhibits hall or something like that at your local city hall.

    And you can create an event and if it’s successful, then you can create additional events and grow and build this thing until you have an event franchise that either another events companies want to buy out because it is so successful, or that your community just enjoys for what it is and it may not match the the spectacle of a huge event like a dream force or IBM think or something you know the 100,000 was in person conferences, but it doesn’t have to.

    And in fact, the bigger an event gets, the more challenging it becomes to get that sense of community feeling out of it.

    The first PodCamp was 300 people.

    And yet, the number of friendships and business relationships and things that came out of that.

    And the ripple effects is had within the new media community are still felt to this day, there are still people who are at that first PodCamp, who really that was their their professional debut, in some sense.

    And now, they are extremely successful creators and things like that.

    So there is no restriction except your willingness to work at it to create an event yourself.

    You absolutely can do it, you should do it.

    If your community is asking for it, and people are willing to chip in, in time in labor in money, create your own event.

    And when somebody else says no, that’s when you can say Fine, I’ll do it myself.

    And then you can lament not having this business that we will have proven is a successful one.

    So a little bit of showing folks that there is a market for your interests for the things that you care about, and then being willing to just go out and demonstrate that in a very tangible fashion.

    Anyway, that’s today’s thoughts.

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  • Mind Readings: Startups, Brands, Agencies, and Professional Development

    Mind Readings: Startups, Brands, Agencies, and Professional Development

    Looking to improve your skills in a dynamic working environment? Consider moving from a brand-side role to a startup or agency. These environments offer the opportunity to flex and grow your existing skills, learn new ones, and remain relevant in an ever-changing landscape. However, be prepared for the fast-paced, multi-faceted demands that can lead to burnout. Get ready to challenge yourself and expand your expertise in a new professional setting.

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    In today’s episode, let’s talk about the different kinds of working environments and the ones that are good for improving your skills.

    So, when you work brand side at a regular company, where you are the marketing coordinator, marketing manager, marketing director, whatever the case may be, you’re going to be facing very specific problems that that company has that will require you for whatever their marketing plan is to really dig deep into your areas of specialty.

    So, for example, I used to work at an email marketing company.

    And one of the things that the company did was, of course, email marketing, sort of the do the thing to prove the thing.

    And so I had to get really, really good at email marketing get better at it than I’ve ever had been in my career learn all about deliverability, spam, subject lines, you name it, every aspect of email marketing, I had to get really good at to be successful in that position.

    The challenge with something brand side is that when you work at a brand side a specific kind of company, you kind of have to focus on that those company’s problems to keep sort of stay within the guardrails for that company’s problems.

    You may think, hey, let’s do Tiktok.

    But Tiktok maybe isn’t within that company’s purview of marketing channels that they want to invest a lot of time at.

    Now, you could suggest it or you could pilot a program there.

    But for the most part, within a single company, you’re going to have some restrictions on what things you can and cannot invest a lot of your time.

    And contrast that with an environment like a startup or an environment like an agency.

    Both of these have very similar skills, environments where, depending on the situation, the day, the client, you may have very, very wildly different asks for your skills, they may not necessarily be as deep asks, but they will be broad and varied.

    When I worked at a PR agency, I was doing things from predictive analytics to helping people identify news publications using Google’s GDL database, all the way to going on sales pitches with the the PR teams to try and help them sell more of their stuff.

    And so in that environment, was definitely using more of my skills, and then having to keep up with all the changes in the environment, at Trust Insights.

    We are a startup, we’re, we’re five years old now.

    But we are still a very small, very agile team that has to adapt to whatever is coming down the road.

    You know, three months ago, six months ago, we were not talking about chat GPT-3.

    Now we have a portfolio of things that work well within that particular ecosystem.

    You know, two years ago, we weren’t really talking about deep analysis on Tiktok.

    Of course, we are now any number of changes in the landscape, when you’re a startup or when you’re in an agency are things that you have to keep up on, if you want to continue to remain relevant, and you want to continue to provide value to clients.

    So if you feel like you’re stuck in your career, if you feel like you’re not growing, one of the antidotes one of the antidotes to that may be to either go agency side, or to work in a startup environment, which is a bit more of a free for all, where you can flex a lot of your existing skills, you can dust off skills you have not used in a while, and you can acquire new skills that are tuned for the necessity that whatever happens to come about, for example, when I was working with this, this save Warrior Nun movement.

    And the design team was busy that day, and we had a banner a billboard that was supposed to go up in in Times Square in New York City.

    And we have a nice static image.

    And the question was asked, Can we animate this can we make this the billboards a digital billboard? Can we animate this? I know enough to know that Adobe After Effects can do that kind of animation to make like the little things on the poster glow.

    Never did it.

    And so I hopped into YouTube and Google and said okay, I do this what what buttons do I push into After Effects to make it do this? And lo and behold, found a number of tutorials kind of amalgamated the advice together and was able to animate the billboard in a timely fashion and get it over to the production team.

    And Now 1000s of people are seeing my Adobe After Effects hack job.

    Because that volunteer movement is very much like the environment of a startup, there is a need.

    If you have basic adult skills to search for information and follow directions, and know the kinds of questions to ask, you can pinch hit in a bunch of different areas that you normally would not necessarily be doing in, say, a more structured environment.

    The flip side of environments like agencies and startups is that burnout is very common, because you are pulled in so many directions because you can’t focus too deeply on any one thing.

    The environment does burn you out after a while, it can get very tiring to constantly be context switching.

    First, you’re working on this client and this thing, and then you’re moving on to this client and this thing, and then you’re like, your brain just overloads after a while.

    So if you are the kind of person who maybe doesn’t like barely controlled chaos, or you’ve been in that environment for awhile, you might want to flip back to brand side where again, you have those guardrails, you’re going to be constrained in the things that you’ll be asked to do the most of.

    But if you want some more structure, that might be the way to do it.

    So those are a couple of different ways to think about the kind of environment that you want to work in that will either let you broaden your skills or let you focus your skills and the kinds of things the conditions that will occur in each environment.

    There’s no one right answer.

    There’s no answer that says, This is the best place to work.

    There is a best place to work for you right now, depending on where you are in your career, and that will change that it should change.

    If it doesn’t change, you might not be growing enough or you might not be developing enough professionally.

    So give that some thought.

    Thanks for tuning in.

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  • Almost Timely News, February 5, 2023: Reliable Reach

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    What’s On My Mind: Reliable Reach as a Strategic Imperative

    This past week, I talked about the massive changes in SEO coming soon-ish. The takeaway from that video, which I encourage you to watch, is that large language models capable of answering questions (like ChatGPT) will dramatically change how SEO works and send far less unbranded search traffic to our websites than we’ve become accustomed to. If you think about how a Google Home, Siri, or an Alexa device work today and the limited amount of search results they deliver, that’s what the future of SEO looks like, especially for unbranded searches.

    One of the critical insurance policies we need to develop – and quickly – against this coming sea change is reliable reach. Reliable reach is not a new concept; marketers have been talking about it with regard to marketing since SMS vendors first coined it in 2007. But it’s a concept that we still have not built marketing practices around, and we need to.

    What is reliable reach? It’s your ability to reach your audience and get their attention in a reliable and timely manner. Plenty of marketing channels have reach, but that reach isn’t reliable. For example, SEO lets you reach plenty of new customers today, but you have little control over it as a channel. You can’t guarantee or even come close to guaranteeing that a certain group of people will see your content.

    What about social media? Public social media lets you reach your fans, but thanks to AI-based algorithms, you are neither guaranteed reach to your followers, nor are you guaranteed it in a timely fashion. Take this example from my friend Justin Levy, who put up an announcement on LinkedIn:

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    I’m sure Justin would have liked for me to have seen his post sooner than four DAYS later.

    So what constitutes channels of reliable reach? Go to our definition – channels where we know our content can reach our audiences without interference from someone else’s AI. That rules out virtually all public social media. Second, channels that allow us to reach that audience in a timely manner. Again, any channel where there’s some kind of algorithm mediating the experience between us and our audience is not a reliable reach channel because we have no control over the timing.

    What channels would constitute reliable reach, then? Email, for one. You’re reading this email at roughly the intended time I meant to send it. Yes, for some folks, it’ll sit in your inbox for a few days, but at least it arrived when I wanted it to arrive. SMS or messaging apps are another great example of reliable reach. When you hit your SMS list, people get the message reliably and in a timely fashion.

    What else might constitute reliable reach? Depending on your audience, a private social media community that you own and operate would be a great example. When we want to reach our community about an announcement for Trust Insights, we ping everyone in the Analytics for Marketers Slack group, and all 3000+ members receive the notice immediately.

    Heck, even fax machines, for those few customers who still have them, constitutes reliable reach. Depending on the timing of your campaigns, even direct mail might, as long as the campaign was able to be planned out far enough in advance that you could get the mail drop arriving all at roughly the same time.

    Reliable reach, in other words, is disintermediated reach. There’s nothing between you and your audience – and those channels are going to be vital to our survival as marketers, as brands in the coming years. Without them, we will have no way of reaching our audiences, and we may not even be able to buy our way to the audience with advertising. Ask anyone who tried to advertise during a recent election just how much ad inventory they could even get, much less afford.

    If reliable reach isn’t the cornerstone of your marketing strategy this year, strongly consider making it a pillar, if not the pillar, of your strategy. You are building an insurance policy against ever more intermediated, AI-driven channels, and it may be the only insurance policy you have.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Future of SEO and ChatGPT Impact?

    You Ask, I Answer: Future of SEO and ChatGPT Impact?

    Chris (not me) asks, “What’s the future of SEO? Do people still hire SEO companies?” In this video, we explore this question and talk about the limited runway unbranded SEO has in the face of large language models like the GPT family (including ChatGPT) and what we marketers should be doing to prepare now for a future that’s probably only a couple years away.

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    In today’s episode, Chris asks, “Do people still hire SEO firms?” The answer is yes, they do. There is still a need for companies to help other companies learn how search marketing works. However, there is a big question mark on the future of traditional SEO right now, and it has to do with large language models such as GPT-3 and others like GPT-2, Neo X 20.B, etc. Some are run by OpenAI, others by Hugging Face, and so on.

    The problem with these models is that they give responses that seem plausible, even if they are not always factually correct. There are companies working on improving the accuracy of these models, but they still don’t give out links or any call to action, like a regular search engine would.

    This is a problem for Google because it could imperil their core business of serving ads along search listings, which is the source of a significant amount of their revenue. This is also a problem for marketers because the text we publish on our blogs, for example, feeds these large language models but we don’t get credit for it, and so these models could take away a significant amount of our unbranded search traffic.

    In the future, searching for information could look like asking a chatbot, and the answers will come from these language models. With just one link displayed, the importance of being number one in search results will become even more crucial.

    So, as marketers, what can we do about this? We need to build our “insurance policy.” This policy comes in two parts:

    Build your brand – You must be known by name so that even the most sophisticated language model points people to your website. Build brand recognition to ensure that you benefit from these models.
    Build community – Get people into a place where you can reliably reach them, such as an email marketing list, text messaging list, Slack, Discord, Telegram, etc.
    These steps will help ensure that your marketing efforts are not wasted in the future of search.

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    Christopher Penn 0:00
    In today’s episode, Chris asks, Do people still hire SEO firms? Yes, they do.

    Absolutely they do.

    There is still a need for companies to help other companies learn how search marketing works.

    However, and this is the big however, there is a huge question mark on the future of traditional SEO right now.

    And that huge question mark has to do with large language models.

    The one that you’re most familiar with, of course, as whatever, we can’t stop talking about Jack GPT, which is based on the GPT-3 language model.

    But it’s not the only one.

    There’s many of these out this cheap T J six b GPT-2, Neo x 20.

    B, and so on and so forth.

    Some are run by OpenAI, some are not and some are by you look through AI Hugging Face, there’s there’s tons of these models that are available.

    Here’s why this is a big deal.

    Right now.

    When you use chat, GBT, or any large language model, you ask it a question.

    And it gives a response.

    It gives sometimes a factually incorrect response.

    But it gives a response that seems plausible.

    And there are plenty of companies that are working on factually correct versions of these tools.

    When you ask it, for example, things like what is a transformer? Or how many cups are in a gallon? Or things like that in a chat format and a conversational format? They’re not sending you anywhere, right? When was the last time you got a link to click on out of chat? GPT never.

    You’d never have gotten more.

    You’ve had maybe Google for something afterwards.

    But you’ve got no link from it.

    No, you might also be interested in or check this out.

    And so as these models take off, and as the style of interacting with knowledge continues to grow, that imperils SEO.

    That’s one of the reasons why Google is having a freakout about chat GPT-2 Because it imperils the very core of their business.

    Right.

    It imperils their ability to serve ads along search listings, which is at the heart of a good chunk of their business.

    Now, they do have other things display advertising, they have YouTube ads, Gmail, ads, etc.

    But the big money is in those search ads.

    And if search changes dramatically, they will have a hard time making up that revenue.

    Here’s why it matters for us as marketers.

    When you look at how a large language model is constructed, particularly for unbranded search shims, your informational searches.

    It’s not from any one source.

    So our text that we publish on our blogs and stuff feeds these large language models, but we don’t get credit for it.

    And as a result, for those large language models, they could take away a substantial amount of our unbranded search traffic, they will still be branded search traffic, right, someone who’s looking for Trust Insights will still search for Trust Insights.

    And a large language model is not to say, oh, you should go to trust insights.ai.

    A regular search engine will do that.

    But if a sort of a if someone is searching for reasons why AI models are good, or reasons why AI models are bad, those queries aren’t going to go nowhere.

    They are going to go nowhere, except in the chat bot itself.

    And so all of our informational content that we use to drive unbranded search volume is going to go away right now completely, but it will probably go away substantially.

    What will it look like? Kinda like what chat looks like? Now, think about when you ask your Google Home or home pod or Alexa device, or something where it will say, here’s the answer your question, Would you like more information? We’ll send you a link to in your thing, or you there’s a link displayed on your Alexa device or whatever? How many links are there? One, just one, which means if you’re not number one, you’re nothing right? If you are not number one, you are nothing.

    So SEO is going to dramatically change you will dramatically change as long as chat based interfaces to large language models continue to be popular.

    So what do we do about this as marketers? now was the time to building your insurance policy and your insurance policy comes in two parts Part Number one, your brand you must must build brand you must build brand.

    You must be known by name so that even asking the most sophisticated language while still points people towards your website, right? Hey, go check out trust insights.ai Go check out Chris Tres Pandoc calm to go check out marketing over coffee.com that is, number one, you got to build a brand and if you’re not building brand, you are in danger.

    Should you still be building unbranded content marketing, you know, informational marketing? Yes, but recognize that you at this point you’re just feeding large language models that will not benefit you build your brand instead.

    Number two, you must build community, right you must have an acquisition method that gets people to you in what is called reliable reach.

    That means your email marketing list your text messaging list, your slack, your discord, your telegram, whatever means you can to get people into a place where you can reliably reach them is going to be important because you can’t do it on public social media.

    You just can’t write algorithms like a Twitter and Facebook and LinkedIn, and Instagram and Tiktok.

    You cannot reliably reach people when you need to reach them.

    They’re they’re simply not accessible.

    You will get some of them when you publish your latest Tiktok or whatever.

    But it could be hours, days, maybe even weeks before enough of your audience sees a public social media posts no matter with private social media, you get the timeliness.

    So that’s important.

    With an email list, as long as your email service were working correctly, you will you will get that and you have to be prepared for your organic search to dramatically drop.

    So your assignment is this, go into Google Search causal.

    And look at your performance for branded and unbranded queries.

    You’ll have to do some, some regex selection in there.

    You want ideally 50% of your traffic to be branded search at least 50% to be branded search and this flies in the face of everything we’ve been saying about SEO for 1015 years, you know you need to unbranded search to bring in new audience.

    Once large language models takeover search, you are just feeding the models and you are getting nothing from it.

    You will be just feeding models that will run ads and take your money and you will have nothing to show for it.

    So I would focus on building brand.

    Now some of it Sure, unbranded content and explanatory content and things is important.

    But I would start peppering your unbranded content with your stuff.

    Write things that are uniquely you things that people can get nowhere else.

    It will read a little bit awkwardly, but can you imagine, if a if a large language model decides to vacuum up your content, it will strongly associate your names with that content.

    That’s how those models work.

    Otherwise, do what you can to build brand.

    So advertise for sure, show ads to relevant people create shareable, share worthy content, that stuff that people want to hand up, it has your name and your logo on it.

    Studies Research unique stuff.

    date it, I’m gonna say something that again is gonna piss off a lot of people gate your content.

    Why? Because ungated on ungated content, you’re just feeding large language models, you’re feeding GPT-3.

    And it’s undertake your content and your knowledge.

    And you will get nothing from them when you slap it behind the gate.

    Even if it’s just a gate like he’ll punch the monkey in the face, right? No, you’ll take it off to take people’s personal information.

    But just put up something that blocks these crawlers from getting your information from taking it and using it for themselves.

    Put some obstacle in their way, so that your knowledge is can benefit you first, right? But that’s how you’re going to prove your brand value and then build those communities.

    Build those communities, you’ve got to build private communities that you can rely on to reach otherwise, the large language models will invariably benefit those who can crank up the most content, those who can crank up the most content and sway those models a little bit will inevitably be those companies have the deepest pockets.

    You and me.

    I’m assuming you’re not a billionaire, maybe you are if you are, Hi, I’m not a billionaire.

    But you and me we are not the beneficiaries of most AI models, right? They are created on large volume and large volume correlate strongly with resources with money, etc.

    So that’s my long take on SEO and where things are going to take it for what it’s worth.

    If you disagree, cool.

    This is how I’m looking at it from my own marketing because I know how these models work.

    And I know that we are not the ones who are going to be benefiting unless we are the ones who are running the model.

    If you are an AI company and you can get market share, you will have a disproportionately larger, larger amount of market share as long as your company continues to do well, because people will rely more on more of those models.

    And pretty soon, there will be room for competitors who don’t have AI on their side, they’ll have models of their own that they’re deploying, you know, with customers and in customer interactions.

    It’s going to be a very interesting few years in marketing, but the writing is already on the wall that SEO is in a lot of trouble.

    And it’s not going to get better.

    So, hope that answers your question.

    Probably a little more than you were expecting.

    And I’ll talk to you soon take care.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: ChatGPT Responses and Language?

    You Ask, I Answer: ChatGPT Responses and Language?

    In this episode, I explore the impact of language on large language models like GPT-3. I explain the concept of ‘a word is known by the company it keeps’ and how using specific prompts can lead to the desired output. I encourage viewers to test different tones and language in their prompts and see the impact on the model’s responses. Join me as I delve into the power of language in this informative video. Hit the subscribe button now!

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    In this episode Carol asks for chat GPT-3.

    If I am particularly friendly, effusive or polite in my prompts to it, will it respond similarly? Remember this expression.

    This expression was coined by oh gosh, I’m trying to remember the mathematician was from a long time ago, but the quote is, a word is known by the company it keeps word is known by company by the company it keeps on.

    What that means is that these large language models are essentially, really, really big matrices of word associations.

    The more that the words are available to make decisions, which is why your prompts need to be as detailed as possible, the more the model is going to align with those words.

    So if you’re using effusive or florid language in your prompts, guess what? That’s going to have word associations, and it will return data, Dana, that would be conversationally appropriate to those word associations.

    What I would encourage people to do is within the boundaries of professionalism and politeness and stuff like that.

    Do do test these things out, right, test out different kinds of language, a brusque tone, overly polite tone, very formal tone, and see how the model changes in its outputs.

    Because the word associations that are being put into it, so it is, knowing that those word associations, politeness, overly verbose language, you’re gonna get that back and turn just as you would talking to a real human being.

    Right? If somebody comes up to you says, Good afternoon, Madam.

    That automatically sets a context for the kind of person you’re dealing with, as opposed to somebody you know, going with the same kind of situation code to go yo, what’s up? Again, just that little bit of language tells you what kind of conversational context you’re about to have.

    The word is known by the company it keeps, right? So that’s the answer to that question.

    And he will respond in ways that are expected for those words.

    And the critical thing to remember is that with, with your prompts, if you’re not getting the expected outputs, it’s because there are not enough the words that are associated with the input to get what you want.

    A lot of people will write like a paragraph long prompt, my prompts when I work with these tools are sometimes like a page or two of text, right? Because I want very specific words, very specific instructions.

    There’s a concept called Waiting where you use the same direction or freeze several times in the prompt, so that that is given more weight.

    For example, if I’m telling you to write a bunch of tweets, I will say, several times in the instructions in the prompt, always use the full URL in the tweet, use the full URL of the tweet, write the full URL in between.

    And that in turn, gives weight to the added weight to those specific terms.

    If we understand large language models on their architecture, we know better how to work with them and how to get the results out of that that we want.

    And you don’t necessarily have to use the particularly friendly or effusive language with it, you can actually specify, respond in a casual tone responding to professional tone responding to cold tone, respond in a hyperbolic tone.

    I did a thing recently where I took the biography that my my partner Katie robear, has on the Trust Insights website.

    And I said, rewrite this as though Tony Robbins, we’re announcing you at a big event with a lot of Hyperbole and a lot of excitement and exciting language.

    And it did it did a very credible job of it.

    Maybe one day I’ll do a read through of its response and my best imitation to just show what that would look like but you can just tell it tone as well.

    So to be explicit, you should use this kind of tone in your responses.

    So that’s the answer to the question.

    The words you put in lead to the words you get out.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: What Does ChatGPT Learn?

    You Ask, I Answer: What Does ChatGPT Learn?

    I explain the concept of reinforcement learning and how it is used to optimize Chat GPT for dialogue. OpenAI, the company behind Chat GPT, logs all interactions with the model and uses them to improve the system. Discover the research value that our interactions with Chat GPT provide and how they help improve the model in this informative video.

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    In today’s episode, Carol asks, Does chat GPT learn from my prompts and the text I feed it? And does it feed that knowledge to others? What research value do they get from our interactions? So with any AI service, it’s always a good idea.

    Always a good idea to read the Terms of Service to read the frequently asked questions and any technical documentation is provided.

    OpenAI, which is the company that produces chat GPT-3 has a good amount of actual documentation and disclosures on its website about what the model is and how it works.

    So from bullet point two in their frequently asked questions, chat GPT is fine tuned from GPT-3 point five, a language model trained to produce text chat GPT was optimized for dialogue by using reinforcement learning with human feedback, a method that uses human demonstrations to guide the model towards the desired behavior.

    So what this means when you’re talking about reinforcement learning, Reinforcement learning is when you train a machine learning model to perform a task of some kind, Shad, score things, guests things, categorize things.

    And then you essentially take the uses of that model.

    And you know, thumbs up, thumbs down, whether it did his job, and you feed that back to the original dataset.

    And then you retrain the model, you basically haven’t rebuild itself.

    And you keep doing this over and over and over again.

    So that over time, as long as the responses are intelligible, and well curated, the model gets smarter, the model gets better at doing what it’s supposed to do.

    Now, chat GPT does absolutely log everything you type into it.

    In fact, when when you read Terms of Service term number six, will use my conversations for training.

    Yes, your conversations may be reviewed by our AI trainers to improve our systems.

    So everything you type into this system is being logged.

    In fact, there is a specific note in here in the terms of service like hey, don’t put confidential information in here because this is not this is not the place where that it is being logged.

    So is it learning from your prompts and the text feed it? Yes, it is the most overt way you can give feedback to OpenAI is that thumbs up thumbs down when you are using the service, you’ll see a little thumbs up thumbs down icons right next to its responses and you’re reading each response.

    Yes, is a good response notice was not a good response helps the model learn how to provide that at training feedback for them to retrain their software.

    That said, you can tell a lot about some of the responses by how much refinement there is, right.

    So even if you don’t use the thumbs up, thumbs down, if you say, write me a poem in the style of Edgar Allan Poe, but about the 2020 presidential election.

    And it does its thing, and then you keep asking for refinement after refinement after refinement.

    That’s a pretty good indicator that the model is not doing what you intended to do, because he didn’t nail it on the first shot or the second shot or the third shot and so forth.

    So even in cases where you’re not using that built in ratings feature, there are plenty of behavioral signals that would indicate Yeah, this this thing is not going right.

    I don’t know.

    So this is purely speculation on my part, but it would completely not surprise me if the, the outputs and then our inputs were basically being added to the training data set.

    Add in hold, right.

    So when you write a prompt and submit that, that goes into training data, right for the next iteration of the model.

    So I would absolutely assume that that knowledge, any knowledge that we’re creating with the software is being incorporated into that reinforcement learning system, the human feedback of some folks in the AI community, we’ll call it active learning where it’s it’s retraining itself on a regular and frequent basis.

    OpenAI seems to release a new version about every month or so.

    So my guess is they they collect data for a certain period of time, they then retrain the model, and they roll out the newly retrained model.

    And obviously, if it goes sideways, for some reason, they can just roll back to the previous fall.

    But that’s, that’s what I’m pretty sure is going on underneath the hood.

    So what research value are they getting from our interactions? They’re rebuilding the model, right? They’re improving the model.

    OpenAI makes these really large language models, the GPT-2 series of models, a generative, pre trained transformers, so they had GPT-2, then three now 3.5, later this year, they’re going to be releasing four, which will, despite all the hype line is just going to be more of the same right? It’ll be better what it does, because it’ll have more data.

    And critically it this is the part that I don’t think people understand about these, these models, critically.

    Our interactions with it To provide richer training data that they can get just by scraping the internet itself, because if you scrape like a Reddit forum thread, yeah, you have some context.

    But you don’t have that, that thumbs up thumbs down that behavioral data, as if, as opposed to when we work with a model directly and say, write me a poem about slicing cheese, but in the style of, I don’t know, somehow what I can tell by betraying my lack of studies in English class.

    In the bath, these are very clear payers of information, a prompt response prompt response.

    And that’s better quality training data for someone who’s building a large language model.

    So that’s what’s happening with the data we’re feeding into this.

    It is, we know for sure from what’s disclosed, it is being used to retrain the model, it would not be surprised, because it would not surprise me in the slightest if it was being used to train the next iteration of the big model GPT for right with all the conversations because this thing has taken off like like wildfire online.

    And so 1000s If not millions of people are freely giving it a lot of information.

    And that you as a researcher, as someone trying to build software, as someone tried to acquire high quality data, you couldn’t ask for a better, better way to do that, than to have a bunch of people eagerly running in to provide you with more training data.

    So that’s what’s happening, but expect no privacy.

    It’s in the terms of service, expect no privacy.

    If you’re putting in like, you know, you have this rare medical condition.

    I don’t know that I would put that into a system like this that is going to be reviewed in some part by the AI team that builds this.

    So good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: ChatGPT Feedback?

    You Ask, I Answer: ChatGPT Feedback?

    Unlock the potential of ChatGPT with this informative video on the key feedback mechanisms for improving its responses. Understand the difference between in-session feedback and the built-in rating system, and learn how to effectively use them to enhance your experience. Enhance your knowledge and improve your results with ChatGPT. Subscribe now to stay updated.

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    In this episode Carol asks, regarding chat GPT if I provide positive feedback after an answer, will the influence chat GPT-2 Next replies? Yes, but it depends on the kind of positive feedback we’re talking about.

    There’s two essential feedback mechanisms to chat GPT.

    One is you’ll notice next to each prompt, there’s a thumbs up thumbs down.

    That is the training data that we are asked to provide as users of the system as beta users to say this response was good or this response was not good.

    Doing that provides training data to OpenAI to essentially take those prompt response pairs, the ones that got thumbs up, when it basically was back into the training model and says, do more of this stuff.

    And it wasn’t got thumbs down, it goes into the back of the training while saying do less of this stuff.

    And so that feedback, it’s called reinforcement learning, helps AIS get smarter, essentially, get get more clever at what they do, by avoiding things that are that are not appropriate.

    That’s one of the reasons why fine tuning, which is a process where you retrain the AI a little bit or give some things additional weights is so important.

    That’s one aspect.

    The second aspect is if you’re talking about sort of just text interaction, that doesn’t amend the training dataset, not overtly, but what it does do is that it provides guidance for the model within that session to do less or more of something.

    And that data may may be used for reinforcement learning as well, if it’s clear enough that the feedback is about that prompt.

    But the the mechanism that for sure, we know impacts the reinforcement learning is the thumbs up thumbs down thing.

    When you’re working within a session within OpenAI within a specific conversation, providing positive feedback or corrective feedback will help more than anything, refine the results that you get, right.

    If you say to him, hey, good answer.

    It may say thank you and may do all these things and then say, Do you want to continue to want to do something more that that’s going to be sort of in session textual feedback, but it doesn’t change the model as much as the thumbs up thumbs down ratings.

    So if you want to influence chat GPT to overall provide a better experience use that the built in rating system if you want to see how it interacts with you within that session and the feedback that it gives you and the way the prompts and the outputs change.

    You can use in conversation feedback as well, but there’s been no indication that OpenAI overtly uses that training data as part of its reinforcement learning mechanisms.

    They may they may, we just don’t know that’s not disclosed in the documentation.

    Good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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