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  • Almost Timely News, February 19, 2023: The Buyer’s Guide to Expertise

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    What’s On My Mind: The Buyer’s Guide to Expertise

    This past week, a colleague on LinkedIn messaged me about an upcoming conference where someone who, in their perspective, was clearly unqualified to be giving a talk about AI was slated to present at an upcoming conference about AI – ChatGPT, specifically. This colleague’s rather pointed question was whether this bothered me or not (they referenced that a lot of crypto bros on LinkedIn were suddenly AI experts), and more generally, how could they know the difference between experts and people just hopping on the trend?

    So today, let’s go through a buyer’s guide to expertise. How do you know who’s a real expert and who isn’t?

    First, I think it’s important to draw a distinction – as Google does, in its Search Quality Rating Guidelines – between experience and expertise. Experience is something everyone can have, and whether or not we agree with someone’s experience, as long as they’re not outright lying about it, one person’s experience is equal to another’s. If I have a dinner at a restaurant and I love it, and you have dinner at the same restaurant – perhaps even at the same time as me – and you hate it, is either of our experiences invalid? No. We have had different experiences, but each is a valid point of view.

    Now, here’s where we transition from experience to expertise. Suppose I am a Michelin-starred chef and you are not. Perhaps we’re at a sushi bar and I notice that the wasabi is actual, fresh wasabi. You, being someone who is not a trained sushi chef, might not know the difference between real, fresh wasabi and regular wasabi. As an aside, in America, 99.9% of wasabi is just colored horseradish. Real, fresh wasabi is sweeter, more pungent, and highly volatile. Once it’s been ground, it loses its potency in about an hour, which is why the best sushi restaurants serve you a chunk of the root and a grater and you grate your own right at the table.

    Or perhaps we’re at a restaurant where pasta is being served and I, as a chef, can tell they used real truffle oil instead of synthetic truffle oil (real truffle oil, amusingly, doesn’t taste as strong as synthetic). That expertise might give me a different perspective on my experience, but I can also objectively say that this restaurant is a better restaurant than that restaurant because of their technical proficiency.

    My technical expertise as a chef is separate from my experience as a diner, and that’s one major difference. Someone can be on stage talking about their experiences with AI, with large language models like ChatGPT, and their experiences are valid. But they may lack the technical expertise to go into great detail about it and ways to use it that align best with the underlying technical details of the model.

    For example, a few weeks ago on the Trust Insights livestream, we walked through the underlying algorithms that power Twitter and LinkedIn, and in the process disabused a few myths about how they work. (feel free to use as many hashtags as you want, for example, it makes no difference one way or another) By understanding the way the system works, we can craft advice and counsel that goes beyond experience and into expertise.

    Experience is what happened to you. Expertise is knowing why you had those experiences.

    A second dimension of real expertise is something I learned from my martial arts teachers, especially Mark Davis and Stephen Hayes. Someone who is a legitimate expert knows the material, obviously. They understand it in a deep way. But what they have that separates them from others is they know what will go wrong before it happens. When you’re learning a martial arts technique, you can copy the rote movements from just about anyone. You can watch videos on YouTube to copy the movements like a robot. What you can’t learn without an expert teacher is all the ways that technique will go wrong, and a true master practitioner, a master teacher, will teach you and train you in all those ways a technique will go wrong so that you’re never surprised when something does go wrong.

    For example, in Google Analytics 4, Google supposedly switched to an event-based model as its foundational measurement strategy, and that’s more or less true. If you read the official documentation and all the tutorials out there, you’ll learn about the event model and how events are the most granular measurement, and with events you can measure everything.

    However, I can tell you with certainty that there are certain reports your stakeholders will ask you for that you absolutely cannot build in Google Analytics 4 because there are still scoping issues. You can’t use events and the month dimension together because they’re incompatible (you have to use the date dimension instead). You cannot use the datetime dimension with events either, which is really annoying when you’re trying to build a granular attribution model. These are intricate technical gotchas that you only know from both experience and expertise.

    In the context of something like ChatGPT, if you understand how large language models work – the attention algorithm – and you understand how embeddings and vectorization and a bunch of other arcane technical details inform those models, then when someone’s ChatGPT prompt doesn’t return what they want it to return, you can diagnose their prompt with efficiency and help them get on the right track very quickly.

    This is where expertise and experience diverge significantly. You can have a bunch of experiences with something but still not know why things went badly. You might know what to avoid, but you have no idea what the root cause is, only that there are certain things to do and certain things to avoid. Someone with true expertise can tell you why you had those suboptimal outcomes.

    A third dimension of real expertise is your network. You don’t have to know everything, and in reality, you can’t know everything except maybe in a very tiny slice of the subject matter, in a really detailed specialization. But the network of people around you who are also professionals in your area of expertise can probably fill in the blanks. They know who to go to – you – for your specialization, and you know who to go to when you need their specialization. For example, I know a casual amount of information about AI and law. My friend and colleague Ruth Carter is an actual expert in AI law, and they even have a law practice around it.

    So when you’re trying to evaluate whether someone’s an expert in something, ask who else knows them as an expert, and what they’re known for. If you see someone, as my colleague did, on stage talking about AI but their entire network knows them for misadventures with Bitcoin, then chances are they don’t have a ton of acknowledged expertise in AI. As my friend Mitch Joel says, it’s not who you know that matters – it’s who knows you.

    That’s the buyer’s guide to expertise:

    • Deep knowledge of why in addition to what and how based on technical principles
    • Knowing what will go wrong in advance
    • Being known for your expertise

    If you’re unsure of someone, these are the three areas to start digging in to establish or discredit their expertise. Chances are you will dig into any one of these areas and establish very quickly whether someone is an actual expert or not.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Action Steps After Algorithmic Understanding?

    You Ask, I Answer: Action Steps After Algorithmic Understanding?

    In this video, Christopher Penn explains the importance of having a clear hypothesis to test when analyzing data for social media algorithms. He provides examples of how testing a hypothesis can help determine whether or not to take certain actions, such as what days to post on Instagram or which hashtags to use on TikTok. He also emphasizes the need to run statistical tests and the benefits of making data-driven decisions.

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    In this episode Robin asks, I watched the Trust Insights live stream that you did on social media algorithms.

    And I was puzzled as to how you knew what to do.

    I’m assuming the question is, how do you how do you make those determinations? The biggest thing that makes drawing a conclusion easy is having a clear hypothesis to test right? So if you are checking to see does the day of week matter to your posts on Instagram, and you have all the data that you’ve analyzed, you logically should have a proof or disproof of that hypothesis, you hypothesize that the day of the week matters.

    And then you run your statistical test, and you’re done.

    And you look at it and go, the day of the week does not matter, then you know, that you’ve disproven your hypothesis, and that you no longer have to take actions and or focus on we can only post on Instagram on these days of the week.

    Or you can only maybe use pictures of this kind of dog, whatever the whatever the hypothesis is that you are testing.

    That’s how you know what action to take.

    Where people run into trouble is when they’re looking at data, and they don’t have a clear hypothesis, they don’t have a provably True or False single condition statement to their data.

    Let’s take a look at Tiktok.

    And you’re asking, for example, how many of the four year page hashtags should you be using? If you run a test, and you look at it and say, well, there’s no statistical relationship between for your page hashtags? And how how much reach your videos have, you know that it doesn’t really matter whether you put those hashtags in or not.

    The converse may be true, right? If the converse is true, and it turns out that is very important, then you know that you need to take that action.

    I’ll give you an example from my Twitter account, I was running that statistical analysis, trying to figure out what correlated to newsletter signups for my newsletter.

    And I was stunned.

    I was shocked that one of the correlates was Twitter followers, the number of Twitter followers that I gained on any given period of time during that the testing period.

    And I was like, wow, that’s, that’s awkward, because for years, people have been said, Oh, don’t don’t believe in vanity metrics, right? vanity metrics, don’t matter how many people follow you.

    That’s a vanity metric doesn’t matter? Well, that’s not universally true.

    For some principals, you may find that a metric matters to you or your data, your business that may not matter, matter to others.

    And the only way you do that, is by running those tests by testing those hypotheses.

    But once you do, then you should have a pretty clear idea of what to do next, right? Say, the number of Twitter followers matters.

    What do you do? You run a test, you go out and you get a bunch more Twitter followers, and you see, does newsletter signups go up commensurate with the amount of new followers you’d have? If the answer is yes, then you have causal impact, right? You’ve you’ve gone and done the thing, and seeing the proportionate rise in the outcome you care about, you have proven that that is that is real for your account.

    Now, that may not be true for everybody, it may not even be true within your company.

    But for that specific testing scenario, if you can first find a correlation and then prove its causation, then you have a pretty good idea of whether it’s working or not.

    So that’s the secret to using this data to using this understanding of machine learning models to use an understanding of an algorithm understand what it does, you build a hypothesis, test that hypothesis, and then whether you prove or disprove it, that guides your next steps that creates the action that you need to take or the thing that you can stop doing because you know, it doesn’t really matter.

    So if you are not in a position to run those kinds of statistical tests, ask someone who is right, there’s, there’s no, there’s no easy substitute for doing the work.

    There’s no easy substitute for running the analysis yourself.

    And if you just winging it, then you know, it’s kind of a flip of the coin as to whether you get a good results or not.

    I would much rather someone invest the time to learn how to run these tests and then go, go run them if you can’t afford to hire somebody, teach yourself learn how to do it so that you can make decisions with confidence.

    You can make decisions that are based in reality in the data in front of you that are not guesswork.

    And most critically, when you have to defend your decision to your the powers that be whoever they are.

    You can say here’s the approach that I took and the mathematics behind it.

    If for some reason you Got a variance that doesn’t agree with the data that you can say, Yeah, this is an anomaly, because here’s the tests that I ran that prove that this decision I made was actually mathematically the correct one.

    Whereas if you have a hunch, it’s a lot harder to prove that the hunch was good or bad.

    So, really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Proving Algorithmic Understanding?

    You Ask, I Answer: Proving Algorithmic Understanding?

    Christopher Penn discusses the importance of testing assumptions in social media algorithms, using machine learning and data science tools. To understand the impact of hashtags on reach and engagement, for example, one would download all of their Twitter data and run a statistical analysis to determine if there is a significant effect. Penn emphasizes the importance of testing assumptions using a large and well-balanced dataset, ideally one’s own or one’s competitor’s data, to draw accurate conclusions. Testing is key to understanding the true impact of different social media strategies, and ultimately, improving marketing performance.

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    Jen asks a follow up question from a previous episode of the Trust Insights livestream on social media algorithms.

    She asks, How do we know that the conclusions? For example, hashtags do or don’t matter for retweeting or for visibility? How do we know that that’s a true statement? The answer is, you test, you build models to test those assumptions.

    And the way to do that is using machine learning using some data science tools to prepare the data.

    And then machine learning to build models that are statistically valid, statistically accurate.

    To understand the outcome, I’ll walk you through this pretty briefly, let’s say we want to test to see if using too many hashtags dampens our reach on Twitter, how would we know? Well, to start, you would download all of your Twitter data, right? You would maybe spend a week, a couple of weeks doing tweeting with extra hashtags, maybe instead of one hashtag, you put in three, or four or five, you vary it up, but it’s more than what you usually do.

    And then at the conclusion of that period, you would take all of your existing data, maybe six months worth of data.

    And using either causal inference or causal inference with Bayesian static time series modeling, or propensity score modeling, you would essentially say, Here’s my treatment period, this is the period of time when I applied this treatment, I used double the number of hashtags to triple the number of hashtags.

    And here’s my control period of the past six months worth of data, these software packages will say great, let’s take a look at everything else that is in this dataset.

    And then look at our treatment period d noise any variations or any variability that that is statistically present in both sets, you know, sort of the things you would have happened anyway, business as usual.

    And then from the remainder say, Okay, this is the, the impact of the treatment of the change that you made.

    These techniques, these these datasets, techniques are very common, they are very common, particularly in things like biostatistics, where you’re taking an actual medication, and you’re applying it to some people and you’re applying a placebo to other people.

    In doing so, because you can’t AB test a person might you can’t split that person in half and give half the person one treatment and half the person not.

    You try to find people who are similar to that person in age, physical condition, maybe ethnicity, things like that, you try to control for as many variables pot as possible.

    And you have control group and you have a test group, the exact same thing applies when you’re testing out a social media algorithm, maybe you and five or six other social media managers all team up and you run a test together.

    Or maybe you download very large datasets from bunches of different accounts, if it’s on a network where you can do so like Tiktok, were Twitter.

    And you run those models.

    And you see, is that statistically valid? is the number of hashtags does that change? The reach or the engagements of these different accounts? That’s how you draw those conclusions.

    When I ran those tests to see if the number of hashtags impacts the level of engagements, which is a proxy for reach, because no one can engage if they don’t reach them? The answer was, it had almost no effect it was there was no statistically relevant effect over it was three and a half million tweets.

    So as certainly a large enough sample size to look at people who used two or fewer hashtags, or people who use more than two hashtags in a in a treatment, and it didn’t really matter, there was no difference.

    The same thing was true for other things like time of day and day of week.

    So to answer John’s question, you have to test your assumptions using the data that you have available to ideally a lot of it, ideally, data to well balanced, that is that has the ability to remove noise or remove effects in the data that could be causing accuracy issues, remove covariance, for example, and correlates.

    But in doing so, you can ask the questions of the data that you want to know.

    And what’s critically important is you want to run this ideally on your data, or your data, MAE and maybe your competitors data, because as we know, for particularly things like social networks, where there are these graph networks, and they’re things can happen and phenomena that can happen locally within part of the network.

    That is not true for the network as a whole.

    You want to run this with your data to see if there’s something that is true about you and your peers and your competitors.

    That might not be true about a Kardashian as an example.

    Those people and and people outside your industry, maybe they’re going to have different types of interactions and their portion of the network.

    So build your models, test your assumptions, look for those statistical outcomes that tell you that something does or does not matter, and then apply the appropriate strategies.

    Good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Value of Content Marketing in an AI World?

    You Ask, I Answer: Value of Content Marketing in an AI World?

    In this video, Christopher Penn discusses the impact of large language models on content marketing and the challenges that come with it. While these models are good at generating and refining content, the lack of an exchange of traffic between the models and content creators creates a new economic equation. Christopher suggests that instead of solely focusing on top-of-the-funnel awareness, content marketers should shift their focus to creating content that nurtures and retains existing customers. By investing resources in creating content that makes customers happy and building a strong community, companies can reduce churn rates and improve customer loyalty.

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    In today’s episode, Jason asks, What is the future of content marketing.

    Now with tools like chat GPT and other large language models, this is not surprising question after our conversation last time about the effects on SEO, in terms of the way these tools are going to impact content marketing.

    Right now, the tools are good at generating content, they are great at refining content, or transforming it from one type to another.

    This is easily seen when you take something like a transcript from a call and ask one of these tools, some of these large language models to go ahead and rewrite that as a journal article or a newspaper piece or something along those lines, where it can reformat the data that you’re giving it.

    Hence, the name, transformer generative pre trained transformer.

    That’s what GPT-2 stands for.

    And those are really powerful and very effective, what they do in the bigger picture of how these tools are going to impact content marketing is going to depend a lot on settling some legal issues.

    Namely, the data that these tools are trained on may not have what we know for sure has not been given conceptually, because you were probably not asking when these tools made their crawl the web, hey, can we use your blog as part of the training data set? This is also true for images, there is no precedent set in law yet that would determine how these tools could or could not use that data.

    But that brings to a much bigger question about the value of content, and the purpose of content and the the system of exchange that we’ve had in place.

    For the last 25 years.

    Now, we’ve had sort of a tacit agreement with technology companies, companies like Google and Facebook and Twitter and YouTube, etc.

    And the agreement has been this, we give you content for free, that we take our time and effort to publish and to make.

    And in exchange, you send us new potential customers for free.

    And that’s sort of the bilateral exchange, we make this stuff for you.

    And then you send us prospects, the large language models in particular, but all the generative AI models, sort of break this arrangement.

    Think about it, when you go on to the new Bing, or the new Google and stuff that Google borrowed from the demos that have been shown.

    Where is your website, listed in the citations and in the sources for these new models, if you look at beings beings are tiny little pillbox citations, like footnotes and the results and then the Google demo, there wasn’t any.

    That means that a large language model that was trained on our stuff collectively, is not sending us traffic back.

    Right.

    So it breaks that economic model, it breaks that model of saying, We’re gonna give you this for free, and you send us customers for free.

    Now, the large language models and these generative AI models are effectively saying you give us your content for free, we give you nothing back.

    Now, you don’t need to be an economist to figure out that’s a pretty raw deal.

    And so a big challenge for content marketers is to say, Well, if the economic equation is broken, why do we need to do content marketing? Right? Why do we need to publish stuff in the hopes of these technology companies sending us traffic when we know they’re not going to? This is not the first time we’ve dealt with this think about, for example, Facebook, in the first five years of Facebook’s public availability really thinking 2010 to 2015.

    They sent businesses a lot of traffic, a lot of potential customers, sharing links, sharing all sorts of content and people were thrilled people made Facebook a core part of their social media marketing strategy.

    Today, you know, really the last seven or eight years, that equation is totally different.

    Now, you have to pay for anything on Facebook to be seen at all much less to be able to contact your followers in any reasonable method or period of time.

    And your organic your unpaid reach is pretty much zero, right? So the economic equation changed however, in exchange companies have largely recognized Well, is there a point in publishing organic content to Facebook? No, cuz you’re not gonna get paid for it.

    Right? Your your pay is the form of new customers and if you get no reach, why bother doing it? That doesn’t materially harm Facebook’s model because a lot of the the interactions they are interpersonal reactions on a person to person basis and not business.

    As in something like training and building large language models, who publishes the majority of content online, there are certainly many, many individuals who published and post content blogs like the one you’re reading now.

    But there’s way more corporate content, right? All these different websites and such.

    And if the value is no longer in search for that content marketing, we’re, what is the value? Here’s what to think about.

    The value of content marketing, is not just as a discovery mechanism, it is as a nurturing mechanism.

    It is as a loyalty mechanism.

    And it’s those areas of the marketing operations funnel that we should probably pay more attention to anyway.

    Think about it.

    How much time and effort do you currently put into your content marketing right now at sort of that top of the funnel awareness slash discovery phase, I’d be willing to wager it’s the majority of your time, right? You’re trying to get improved search listings, you’re trying to get more traffic out of social media, you’re trying to attract eyeballs, you’re pushing out content on YouTube, and Tiktok.

    And all those places.

    How much of that content that you’re creating is directed at your loyal customers is specifically made just for them, and nobody else? Not as much as attracting new folks, right? It’s the same kind of thing that companies do with their marketing budgets, they spend inordinate sums of money attracting to attract new customers, and they kind of ignore the existing customers, which creates customer churn.

    Because customers recognize, hey, I got a better deal.

    If I abandon this company, and come back in a month than I that I get staying with them and being a loyal customer.

    So if you flip your content marketing strategy, to creating content that makes your existing customers deliriously happy, your content marketing will still serve a vital function, probably a badly neglected function.

    And in turn, those now very happy customers who no longer feel like they’re getting ignored in favor of you know, the new customers will probably be more likely to recommend you to refer you to spread news about you via word of mouth.

    So that to me, is the the sensible future, for content marketing, yes, there will still always be a place to to create awareness based content.

    But if search and social continue to change as dramatically as they do, and incorporate much more generative AI capabilities that might free us up, to be able to really focus in on building those relationships with our loyal customers, building our communities, for our loyal customers, and making them as happy as possible so that when behind closed doors in Slack, and and discord and telegram and all these places that that machines can’t read.

    Our customers are talking about us in a positive light, our customers are recommending us to others in the private discussions and that group chat or that group text, that that people have.

    That’s the future of content marketing, that if we invest our scarce resources wisely, will probably provide the biggest bang for the buck.

    Think about it.

    How often have you heard the correct trope that it costs x times more money to acquire a new customer then does to retain an existing one that isn’t just for customer service? That is for all marketing.

    If you took 80% of your content marketing budget that you’re using for acquisition and put it into attention, what kind of impact would that have on your business? What if you could cut your churn rate by 50%? Just with the power of great content marketing? give that some thought.

    That’s a it’s a great question about the future of content marketing and the answer, I feel is in in making our existing customers happier.

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    We’ve talked a lot recently about ChatGPT and SEO, about how organic search itself is going to fundamentally change in the very near future. A lot of folks have understandably reacted very strongly to the news, asking what they should do, what the consequences will be. The reality is, no one knows. We can make some very educated guesses about how people react based on how people generally react to massive technological change, but we cannot promise or guarantee any outcome.

    What we can promise, what we can guarantee, is something that Amazon founder and former CEO Jeff Bezos advocated for, and it’s a sensible strategy: focus on what doesn’t change. What are the aspects of our behavior, of our customers’ behavior that won’t change no matter the technological intermediary?

    At the most basic level, generally speaking, all consumers (and I include B2B and B2C here in the term consumer) want things to be better, faster, and cheaper. I know of no one in a position of responsibility, of decision-making who says “yes, you know, I think I’d like to pay more for absolutely no good reason”. That doesn’t happen. But people want to pay less all the time. People want things to be faster. People want things to be better. That doesn’t change.

    Our biochemical brains don’t change, not really. We haven’t had significant hardware upgrades in millennia; the human being who walks the earth today isn’t substantially different than the human being who walked the earth 2,000 years ago or even 10,000 years ago. We are still motivated by base emotions like joy, anger, fear, sadness, and love. The mechanisms that we might use to express those emotions certainly differ now, but the driving forces themselves are the same.

    Habits like word of mouth don’t change. We still talk to our friends, families, and colleagues about strong positive or negative experiences. We still rage at poor service or gush over exceptional experiences. The merchant at the bazaar in ancient Sumeria marketed with the same word of mouth we use today.

    Where should our focus be, if we want to succeed in our marketing and our business? The same place it should have been all along: on making our customers as deliriously happy as we can, so that they are compelled to share their experiences with the wider world. Investing in things that make us remarkable in the literal sense – worthy of remark, as Seth Godin says.

    If you have something that’s worth remarking on, it makes it a lot easier to do everything we’ve talked about. Word of mouth spreads, regardless of channel. People ask about your brand specifically. Ad costs go down a little as performance increases. People join your communities and stick around for the value you provide them.

    Is this new? No. Is this revelatory? No. Is this insightful? No.

    It’s obvious, isn’t it?

    So why aren’t you doing it already?

    When any new technological innovation comes out that has the potential to disrupt your marketing or your business, ask yourself first if it substantially changes the things that don’t change. Smartphones, for example, make it substantially easier for people to document their experiences, good and bad alike. They make word of mouth easier. The Internet opened up whole new channels for people to perform the exact same behaviors, just online.

    As for AI-mediated experiences like ChatGPT? The jury’s still out, because people still generally prefer to deal with people. We’ll see how it all plays out, but if you remain laser focused on the things that don’t change and being actually remarkable, chances are you’ll weather the turbulent seas ahead better than your competitors who flail and drown.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: B2B or B2C Benefits More From AI?

    You Ask, I Answer: B2B or B2C Benefits More From AI?

    Unlock the benefits of AI for your business with this expert analysis. Discover which industry, B2B or B2C, will see more advantages from AI, and why. With insights into cost-effectiveness, scale, and expectations, find out how your business can leverage AI for greater efficiency and success. Watch now to learn more. Hit that subscribe button for more expert advice.

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    In today’s episode, Mary asks, which industry, B2B or B2C will benefit more from artificial intelligence? And that’s a tough question to answer.

    But my inclination is that B2B will enjoy more of the benefits of AI with fewer of the costs.

    And here’s why.

    When you’re talking B2C, we’re talking business to consumer, we’re talking about many times scale, the ability for a chatbot to be able to run on your website and address millions of people handle customer service issues and things like that.

    Personalization, doing RFM analysis doing predictive forecasting for customers.

    All of that is incredible value that AI can unlock for a B2C company.

    But one of the challenges that comes with that is scale.

    If you’ve got millions of customers, you have a compute problem, in the sense that it costs a lot of money to deploy some of these engines.

    To add scale.

    If you’re using a an API based service like OpenAI, for example.

    Every time you hit that API, you’re costing money.

    And if you’re sending out a million messages, or a million tweets or things like that, bill gets pretty big pretty fast.

    To the point where for the largest enterprise B2C companies, companies like Target or WalMart, for example, it’s going to be more cost effective for them to build their own in the long run.

    Because of just the sheer scale this your amount of scale they have.

    B2B companies typically don’t have that problem.

    B2B companies have audiences in the 1000s, rather than the millions have addressable audiences in the 1000s, rather than the millions and have.

    They have the same needs for customization personalization forecasting generation.

    But because the scale is so much smaller, they can afford to do use the nicer stuff.

    They can afford to build an integration with OpenAI, for example.

    And instead of having, you know, millions of people hitting their app, they might have 500 people hitting a chat GPT-2 Like app within the company.

    And so their bills will be much lower.

    But those those tasks that AI handles will make them far more efficient, and make them far better at their jobs.

    And so, as I look at the landscape, both B2B and B2C companies stand to benefit substantially from the use of AI, particularly the use of AI and marketing, AI and sales, etc.

    But B does B2B companies feel like this is this is subjective opinion, but B2B companies feel like they will be able to benefit more from the particular strengths of AI.

    Without the costs of scale, they will be able to use more computationally expensive technologies, because again, you don’t have to deliver massive volume.

    For example, inside of a CRM package, you might have something like a chatbot, like a chat GPT-3 in there to help construct dialogue, or to generate messages.

    In those situations, a B2B company might not have the same latency demands that a B2C company might example, you are on a B2C companies website and you’re working with a chatbot, you expect that chat bot to be fast and responsive to get back to you to answer as though it were a real person.

    Contrast that with something like in B2B, where you’re in your marketing automation software, and you tell it to generate a bunch of tweets.

    You’re okay, if it says like, yeah, come back in five minutes, right? And they’ll be done.

    Like, okay, cool.

    I’m gonna go on to another thing on my to do list and let it do its thing.

    That difference in expectations means that B2B companies will be able to leverage the more computationally expensive models because people are okay with that experience.

    They’re used to it experience where yeah, there is some batch processing, there’s some delay, etc.

    Whereas consumers and B2C are a lot less tolerant of that kind of thing.

    So again, both types of industry will benefit from AI, but I definitely see B2B as being able to use it more and to get greater benefit from it.

    It’s a really interesting question.

    It’s a really interesting question.

    So thank you for that.

    Take care.

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  • Mind Readings: Build Your Own Event

    Mind Readings: Build Your Own Event

    Get motivated to create your own event! In this episode, we dive into the world of unconferences, where communities come together to self-organize events with minimal costs. Discover how creating an event from scratch can lead to lifelong friendships, business relationships, and even professional debuts. Don’t let the lack of a company hold you back, if your community is asking for it, it’s time to take the leap and show that you can make it a successful business.

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    In this episode, let’s talk about motivation of it.

    I was reading a conversation not too long ago, in one of the discord servers I’m in that folks were folks had been petitioning a convention and events company to hold a convention for their particular area of interest in the convention company said, we don’t think there’s money in it, so we’re not going to do it.

    And so a lot of folks were really upset about this really, really angry.

    And I found that interesting, because there’s two things that I think are challenging about that approach.

    One is, people’s reaction to being told no for business decision was vigorous.

    And that’s fine.

    People are entitled to react to the things however they want.

    But the second was, the automatic presumption that an events company was necessary for you to have this convention to have this conference.

    That’s absolutely not true.

    In 2006, now, 17 years ago, my friend Chris Brogan and I got together with three other folks.

    And we said, let’s do a new media conference.

    That wasn’t one that at the time, we felt, suited the, the needs of the community, and was affordable, and was easy for people to participate in.

    And so borrowing off the bar camp model, we created PodCamp, PodCamp, Boston was September of 2006.

    And it’s funny because this is the time of record this in about a month’s time, I’m gonna be going down to Philadelphia for PodCamp Philly.

    17 years later, the event still exists is still going still going on.

    And I bring this up because there was no blueprint, there was no company that wanted to take on this harebrained scheme, right.

    For those who are unfamiliar, an unconference is barely controlled chaos, where you invite a bunch of people together.

    And the people sort of self organize their own event, you provide a facility.

    And then anybody is welcome to start a session in as many spaces and places as you have, regardless of qualification, and things just either happen or don’t.

    And people are encouraged to use what’s called the law of two feet, which is if you’re not getting something out of the gathering, and walk to another one.

    So if somebody gets up there and starts being a jerk, we’ll get up and walk out.

    These kinds of events are not expensive.

    There, there is still a cost, right you have to have a facility have a venue where you can have people gather, you have to provide some minimal accommodations, you know these coffee for people.

    But it’s entirely possible to do that.

    And to not only do that, but then to extend it, create it turn into a movement where other people can take the same template and run with it.

    That’s what the whole unconference movement is about.

    And unconferences sort of came and went, they had their their heyday right around the same time as the first golden age of podcasting.

    But they the system, the idea that the template is still very valuable for anyone who wants to create a community driven event where other people aren’t willing to take the chance.

    For the same price is like buying a billboard, you can rent a facility and encourage people to come on over and participate, participate in an event that is run by people.

    Keep your costs minimal.

    Ideally, you might even do something like publish your ledger so that people can see like, yeah, you’re not pocketing all the money.

    And actually, any money being collected is being put back into the event that people tend to like that sort of thing.

    But the important takeaway here is that, especially for something like a conference and event, you have the ability to create your own.

    And if there’s a market there of even 50 people, right, just get your local exhibits hall or something like that at your local city hall.

    And you can create an event and if it’s successful, then you can create additional events and grow and build this thing until you have an event franchise that either another events companies want to buy out because it is so successful, or that your community just enjoys for what it is and it may not match the the spectacle of a huge event like a dream force or IBM think or something you know the 100,000 was in person conferences, but it doesn’t have to.

    And in fact, the bigger an event gets, the more challenging it becomes to get that sense of community feeling out of it.

    The first PodCamp was 300 people.

    And yet, the number of friendships and business relationships and things that came out of that.

    And the ripple effects is had within the new media community are still felt to this day, there are still people who are at that first PodCamp, who really that was their their professional debut, in some sense.

    And now, they are extremely successful creators and things like that.

    So there is no restriction except your willingness to work at it to create an event yourself.

    You absolutely can do it, you should do it.

    If your community is asking for it, and people are willing to chip in, in time in labor in money, create your own event.

    And when somebody else says no, that’s when you can say Fine, I’ll do it myself.

    And then you can lament not having this business that we will have proven is a successful one.

    So a little bit of showing folks that there is a market for your interests for the things that you care about, and then being willing to just go out and demonstrate that in a very tangible fashion.

    Anyway, that’s today’s thoughts.

    Thank you for tuning in.

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  • Mind Readings: Startups, Brands, Agencies, and Professional Development

    Mind Readings: Startups, Brands, Agencies, and Professional Development

    Looking to improve your skills in a dynamic working environment? Consider moving from a brand-side role to a startup or agency. These environments offer the opportunity to flex and grow your existing skills, learn new ones, and remain relevant in an ever-changing landscape. However, be prepared for the fast-paced, multi-faceted demands that can lead to burnout. Get ready to challenge yourself and expand your expertise in a new professional setting.

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    In today’s episode, let’s talk about the different kinds of working environments and the ones that are good for improving your skills.

    So, when you work brand side at a regular company, where you are the marketing coordinator, marketing manager, marketing director, whatever the case may be, you’re going to be facing very specific problems that that company has that will require you for whatever their marketing plan is to really dig deep into your areas of specialty.

    So, for example, I used to work at an email marketing company.

    And one of the things that the company did was, of course, email marketing, sort of the do the thing to prove the thing.

    And so I had to get really, really good at email marketing get better at it than I’ve ever had been in my career learn all about deliverability, spam, subject lines, you name it, every aspect of email marketing, I had to get really good at to be successful in that position.

    The challenge with something brand side is that when you work at a brand side a specific kind of company, you kind of have to focus on that those company’s problems to keep sort of stay within the guardrails for that company’s problems.

    You may think, hey, let’s do Tiktok.

    But Tiktok maybe isn’t within that company’s purview of marketing channels that they want to invest a lot of time at.

    Now, you could suggest it or you could pilot a program there.

    But for the most part, within a single company, you’re going to have some restrictions on what things you can and cannot invest a lot of your time.

    And contrast that with an environment like a startup or an environment like an agency.

    Both of these have very similar skills, environments where, depending on the situation, the day, the client, you may have very, very wildly different asks for your skills, they may not necessarily be as deep asks, but they will be broad and varied.

    When I worked at a PR agency, I was doing things from predictive analytics to helping people identify news publications using Google’s GDL database, all the way to going on sales pitches with the the PR teams to try and help them sell more of their stuff.

    And so in that environment, was definitely using more of my skills, and then having to keep up with all the changes in the environment, at Trust Insights.

    We are a startup, we’re, we’re five years old now.

    But we are still a very small, very agile team that has to adapt to whatever is coming down the road.

    You know, three months ago, six months ago, we were not talking about chat GPT-3.

    Now we have a portfolio of things that work well within that particular ecosystem.

    You know, two years ago, we weren’t really talking about deep analysis on Tiktok.

    Of course, we are now any number of changes in the landscape, when you’re a startup or when you’re in an agency are things that you have to keep up on, if you want to continue to remain relevant, and you want to continue to provide value to clients.

    So if you feel like you’re stuck in your career, if you feel like you’re not growing, one of the antidotes one of the antidotes to that may be to either go agency side, or to work in a startup environment, which is a bit more of a free for all, where you can flex a lot of your existing skills, you can dust off skills you have not used in a while, and you can acquire new skills that are tuned for the necessity that whatever happens to come about, for example, when I was working with this, this save Warrior Nun movement.

    And the design team was busy that day, and we had a banner a billboard that was supposed to go up in in Times Square in New York City.

    And we have a nice static image.

    And the question was asked, Can we animate this can we make this the billboards a digital billboard? Can we animate this? I know enough to know that Adobe After Effects can do that kind of animation to make like the little things on the poster glow.

    Never did it.

    And so I hopped into YouTube and Google and said okay, I do this what what buttons do I push into After Effects to make it do this? And lo and behold, found a number of tutorials kind of amalgamated the advice together and was able to animate the billboard in a timely fashion and get it over to the production team.

    And Now 1000s of people are seeing my Adobe After Effects hack job.

    Because that volunteer movement is very much like the environment of a startup, there is a need.

    If you have basic adult skills to search for information and follow directions, and know the kinds of questions to ask, you can pinch hit in a bunch of different areas that you normally would not necessarily be doing in, say, a more structured environment.

    The flip side of environments like agencies and startups is that burnout is very common, because you are pulled in so many directions because you can’t focus too deeply on any one thing.

    The environment does burn you out after a while, it can get very tiring to constantly be context switching.

    First, you’re working on this client and this thing, and then you’re moving on to this client and this thing, and then you’re like, your brain just overloads after a while.

    So if you are the kind of person who maybe doesn’t like barely controlled chaos, or you’ve been in that environment for awhile, you might want to flip back to brand side where again, you have those guardrails, you’re going to be constrained in the things that you’ll be asked to do the most of.

    But if you want some more structure, that might be the way to do it.

    So those are a couple of different ways to think about the kind of environment that you want to work in that will either let you broaden your skills or let you focus your skills and the kinds of things the conditions that will occur in each environment.

    There’s no one right answer.

    There’s no answer that says, This is the best place to work.

    There is a best place to work for you right now, depending on where you are in your career, and that will change that it should change.

    If it doesn’t change, you might not be growing enough or you might not be developing enough professionally.

    So give that some thought.

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    What’s On My Mind: Reliable Reach as a Strategic Imperative

    This past week, I talked about the massive changes in SEO coming soon-ish. The takeaway from that video, which I encourage you to watch, is that large language models capable of answering questions (like ChatGPT) will dramatically change how SEO works and send far less unbranded search traffic to our websites than we’ve become accustomed to. If you think about how a Google Home, Siri, or an Alexa device work today and the limited amount of search results they deliver, that’s what the future of SEO looks like, especially for unbranded searches.

    One of the critical insurance policies we need to develop – and quickly – against this coming sea change is reliable reach. Reliable reach is not a new concept; marketers have been talking about it with regard to marketing since SMS vendors first coined it in 2007. But it’s a concept that we still have not built marketing practices around, and we need to.

    What is reliable reach? It’s your ability to reach your audience and get their attention in a reliable and timely manner. Plenty of marketing channels have reach, but that reach isn’t reliable. For example, SEO lets you reach plenty of new customers today, but you have little control over it as a channel. You can’t guarantee or even come close to guaranteeing that a certain group of people will see your content.

    What about social media? Public social media lets you reach your fans, but thanks to AI-based algorithms, you are neither guaranteed reach to your followers, nor are you guaranteed it in a timely fashion. Take this example from my friend Justin Levy, who put up an announcement on LinkedIn:

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    I’m sure Justin would have liked for me to have seen his post sooner than four DAYS later.

    So what constitutes channels of reliable reach? Go to our definition – channels where we know our content can reach our audiences without interference from someone else’s AI. That rules out virtually all public social media. Second, channels that allow us to reach that audience in a timely manner. Again, any channel where there’s some kind of algorithm mediating the experience between us and our audience is not a reliable reach channel because we have no control over the timing.

    What channels would constitute reliable reach, then? Email, for one. You’re reading this email at roughly the intended time I meant to send it. Yes, for some folks, it’ll sit in your inbox for a few days, but at least it arrived when I wanted it to arrive. SMS or messaging apps are another great example of reliable reach. When you hit your SMS list, people get the message reliably and in a timely fashion.

    What else might constitute reliable reach? Depending on your audience, a private social media community that you own and operate would be a great example. When we want to reach our community about an announcement for Trust Insights, we ping everyone in the Analytics for Marketers Slack group, and all 3000+ members receive the notice immediately.

    Heck, even fax machines, for those few customers who still have them, constitutes reliable reach. Depending on the timing of your campaigns, even direct mail might, as long as the campaign was able to be planned out far enough in advance that you could get the mail drop arriving all at roughly the same time.

    Reliable reach, in other words, is disintermediated reach. There’s nothing between you and your audience – and those channels are going to be vital to our survival as marketers, as brands in the coming years. Without them, we will have no way of reaching our audiences, and we may not even be able to buy our way to the audience with advertising. Ask anyone who tried to advertise during a recent election just how much ad inventory they could even get, much less afford.

    If reliable reach isn’t the cornerstone of your marketing strategy this year, strongly consider making it a pillar, if not the pillar, of your strategy. You are building an insurance policy against ever more intermediated, AI-driven channels, and it may be the only insurance policy you have.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Future of SEO and ChatGPT Impact?

    You Ask, I Answer: Future of SEO and ChatGPT Impact?

    Chris (not me) asks, “What’s the future of SEO? Do people still hire SEO companies?” In this video, we explore this question and talk about the limited runway unbranded SEO has in the face of large language models like the GPT family (including ChatGPT) and what we marketers should be doing to prepare now for a future that’s probably only a couple years away.

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    In today’s episode, Chris asks, “Do people still hire SEO firms?” The answer is yes, they do. There is still a need for companies to help other companies learn how search marketing works. However, there is a big question mark on the future of traditional SEO right now, and it has to do with large language models such as GPT-3 and others like GPT-2, Neo X 20.B, etc. Some are run by OpenAI, others by Hugging Face, and so on.

    The problem with these models is that they give responses that seem plausible, even if they are not always factually correct. There are companies working on improving the accuracy of these models, but they still don’t give out links or any call to action, like a regular search engine would.

    This is a problem for Google because it could imperil their core business of serving ads along search listings, which is the source of a significant amount of their revenue. This is also a problem for marketers because the text we publish on our blogs, for example, feeds these large language models but we don’t get credit for it, and so these models could take away a significant amount of our unbranded search traffic.

    In the future, searching for information could look like asking a chatbot, and the answers will come from these language models. With just one link displayed, the importance of being number one in search results will become even more crucial.

    So, as marketers, what can we do about this? We need to build our “insurance policy.” This policy comes in two parts:

    Build your brand – You must be known by name so that even the most sophisticated language model points people to your website. Build brand recognition to ensure that you benefit from these models.
    Build community – Get people into a place where you can reliably reach them, such as an email marketing list, text messaging list, Slack, Discord, Telegram, etc.
    These steps will help ensure that your marketing efforts are not wasted in the future of search.

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    In today’s episode, Chris asks, Do people still hire SEO firms? Yes, they do.

    Absolutely they do.

    There is still a need for companies to help other companies learn how search marketing works.

    However, and this is the big however, there is a huge question mark on the future of traditional SEO right now.

    And that huge question mark has to do with large language models.

    The one that you’re most familiar with, of course, as whatever, we can’t stop talking about Jack GPT, which is based on the GPT-3 language model.

    But it’s not the only one.

    There’s many of these out this cheap T J six b GPT-2, Neo x 20.

    B, and so on and so forth.

    Some are run by OpenAI, some are not and some are by you look through AI Hugging Face, there’s there’s tons of these models that are available.

    Here’s why this is a big deal.

    Right now.

    When you use chat, GBT, or any large language model, you ask it a question.

    And it gives a response.

    It gives sometimes a factually incorrect response.

    But it gives a response that seems plausible.

    And there are plenty of companies that are working on factually correct versions of these tools.

    When you ask it, for example, things like what is a transformer? Or how many cups are in a gallon? Or things like that in a chat format and a conversational format? They’re not sending you anywhere, right? When was the last time you got a link to click on out of chat? GPT never.

    You’d never have gotten more.

    You’ve had maybe Google for something afterwards.

    But you’ve got no link from it.

    No, you might also be interested in or check this out.

    And so as these models take off, and as the style of interacting with knowledge continues to grow, that imperils SEO.

    That’s one of the reasons why Google is having a freakout about chat GPT-2 Because it imperils the very core of their business.

    Right.

    It imperils their ability to serve ads along search listings, which is at the heart of a good chunk of their business.

    Now, they do have other things display advertising, they have YouTube ads, Gmail, ads, etc.

    But the big money is in those search ads.

    And if search changes dramatically, they will have a hard time making up that revenue.

    Here’s why it matters for us as marketers.

    When you look at how a large language model is constructed, particularly for unbranded search shims, your informational searches.

    It’s not from any one source.

    So our text that we publish on our blogs and stuff feeds these large language models, but we don’t get credit for it.

    And as a result, for those large language models, they could take away a substantial amount of our unbranded search traffic, they will still be branded search traffic, right, someone who’s looking for Trust Insights will still search for Trust Insights.

    And a large language model is not to say, oh, you should go to trust insights.ai.

    A regular search engine will do that.

    But if a sort of a if someone is searching for reasons why AI models are good, or reasons why AI models are bad, those queries aren’t going to go nowhere.

    They are going to go nowhere, except in the chat bot itself.

    And so all of our informational content that we use to drive unbranded search volume is going to go away right now completely, but it will probably go away substantially.

    What will it look like? Kinda like what chat looks like? Now, think about when you ask your Google Home or home pod or Alexa device, or something where it will say, here’s the answer your question, Would you like more information? We’ll send you a link to in your thing, or you there’s a link displayed on your Alexa device or whatever? How many links are there? One, just one, which means if you’re not number one, you’re nothing right? If you are not number one, you are nothing.

    So SEO is going to dramatically change you will dramatically change as long as chat based interfaces to large language models continue to be popular.

    So what do we do about this as marketers? now was the time to building your insurance policy and your insurance policy comes in two parts Part Number one, your brand you must must build brand you must build brand.

    You must be known by name so that even asking the most sophisticated language while still points people towards your website, right? Hey, go check out trust insights.ai Go check out Chris Tres Pandoc calm to go check out marketing over coffee.com that is, number one, you got to build a brand and if you’re not building brand, you are in danger.

    Should you still be building unbranded content marketing, you know, informational marketing? Yes, but recognize that you at this point you’re just feeding large language models that will not benefit you build your brand instead.

    Number two, you must build community, right you must have an acquisition method that gets people to you in what is called reliable reach.

    That means your email marketing list your text messaging list, your slack, your discord, your telegram, whatever means you can to get people into a place where you can reliably reach them is going to be important because you can’t do it on public social media.

    You just can’t write algorithms like a Twitter and Facebook and LinkedIn, and Instagram and Tiktok.

    You cannot reliably reach people when you need to reach them.

    They’re they’re simply not accessible.

    You will get some of them when you publish your latest Tiktok or whatever.

    But it could be hours, days, maybe even weeks before enough of your audience sees a public social media posts no matter with private social media, you get the timeliness.

    So that’s important.

    With an email list, as long as your email service were working correctly, you will you will get that and you have to be prepared for your organic search to dramatically drop.

    So your assignment is this, go into Google Search causal.

    And look at your performance for branded and unbranded queries.

    You’ll have to do some, some regex selection in there.

    You want ideally 50% of your traffic to be branded search at least 50% to be branded search and this flies in the face of everything we’ve been saying about SEO for 1015 years, you know you need to unbranded search to bring in new audience.

    Once large language models takeover search, you are just feeding the models and you are getting nothing from it.

    You will be just feeding models that will run ads and take your money and you will have nothing to show for it.

    So I would focus on building brand.

    Now some of it Sure, unbranded content and explanatory content and things is important.

    But I would start peppering your unbranded content with your stuff.

    Write things that are uniquely you things that people can get nowhere else.

    It will read a little bit awkwardly, but can you imagine, if a if a large language model decides to vacuum up your content, it will strongly associate your names with that content.

    That’s how those models work.

    Otherwise, do what you can to build brand.

    So advertise for sure, show ads to relevant people create shareable, share worthy content, that stuff that people want to hand up, it has your name and your logo on it.

    Studies Research unique stuff.

    date it, I’m gonna say something that again is gonna piss off a lot of people gate your content.

    Why? Because ungated on ungated content, you’re just feeding large language models, you’re feeding GPT-3.

    And it’s undertake your content and your knowledge.

    And you will get nothing from them when you slap it behind the gate.

    Even if it’s just a gate like he’ll punch the monkey in the face, right? No, you’ll take it off to take people’s personal information.

    But just put up something that blocks these crawlers from getting your information from taking it and using it for themselves.

    Put some obstacle in their way, so that your knowledge is can benefit you first, right? But that’s how you’re going to prove your brand value and then build those communities.

    Build those communities, you’ve got to build private communities that you can rely on to reach otherwise, the large language models will invariably benefit those who can crank up the most content, those who can crank up the most content and sway those models a little bit will inevitably be those companies have the deepest pockets.

    You and me.

    I’m assuming you’re not a billionaire, maybe you are if you are, Hi, I’m not a billionaire.

    But you and me we are not the beneficiaries of most AI models, right? They are created on large volume and large volume correlate strongly with resources with money, etc.

    So that’s my long take on SEO and where things are going to take it for what it’s worth.

    If you disagree, cool.

    This is how I’m looking at it from my own marketing because I know how these models work.

    And I know that we are not the ones who are going to be benefiting unless we are the ones who are running the model.

    If you are an AI company and you can get market share, you will have a disproportionately larger, larger amount of market share as long as your company continues to do well, because people will rely more on more of those models.

    And pretty soon, there will be room for competitors who don’t have AI on their side, they’ll have models of their own that they’re deploying, you know, with customers and in customer interactions.

    It’s going to be a very interesting few years in marketing, but the writing is already on the wall that SEO is in a lot of trouble.

    And it’s not going to get better.

    So, hope that answers your question.

    Probably a little more than you were expecting.

    And I’ll talk to you soon take care.

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