Category: Marketing

  • What do Klout scores say about purchase intent? [NEW STUDY]

    Those of you who follow closely know that I’ve been asking about putting together back issues of my newsletter as a purchaseable eBook. One of the questions in the survey was about what price, if any, you would pay for such an eBook compilation. I also asked for your Twitter handle so I could follow you back and do some data analysis.

    In that spirit, I took the respondents of the survey, 67 of them who provided Twitter handles, and ran Klout and PeerIndex on them with the simple question: does influence have any correlation to purchase intent? The reason I’m curious about this is that if there were a strong correlation, when we go targeting audiences for social media campaigns, that influence score could be used as a proxy for purchase intent and help us target better.

    A few comments about the data: this data is not representative. It is self-selected respondents to a survey who are members of my audience. There’s a built-in bias to the survey – if you don’t like me, chances are you don’t follow me, and therefore wouldn’t have any purchase intent either. Conversely, everyone responding to this survey should have some built-in purchase intent as people who follow me and care enough to respond to a self-selected voluntary survey. Before you go post this on Mashable as the next great research study, know that it does not pass any tests for representation of population at large. (yes, as a bit of tongue in cheek, I labeled this post [NEW STUDY] even with these conditions)

    So, without further ado, Klout:

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    And PeerIndex:

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    For the non-statistically minded, these are very weak correlations, so weak that they’re nearly meaningless on their own. (they are just barely statistically valid, too – 67 df and a two-tailed p of 0.287 for Pearson is just scraping the line)

    Take a step back and consider that this is an audience with a built-in bias, so there’s already some latent purchase intent that wouldn’t be there in a representative sample of the population. I draw the reasonable conclusion that influence scores are no predictor whatsoever of purchase intent. Now, you might say, “Well duh, that’s perfectly logical, they’re two separate behaviors” and you’d be correct…

    … except that there are marketers and agencies (I’ve talked to a few at conferences and events recently) who are using influence scores as the be-all and end-all of their data-driven marketing efforts. Everything they are currently doing is focused on those influence scores, which doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, especially in light of the fact that I can’t get more than a meager correlation out of a biased audience.

    The bottom line is, influence scores appear to not say a whole lot about who will actually buy from you – so don’t use them for that end.


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  • Top 12 iOS Apps for Sales and Marketing Professionals

    iPad

    Are you a selling professional who needs to have the best toolkit available to get your job done? Do you have an iOS device (iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch) that serves a sales function? Then I’ve got a list for you of top apps you should have and be actively using. I’m going to ignore obvious choices like the email client, web browser, etc. because it’s assumed you’re already using those and they’re installed by default anyway. All of the apps below are in the App Store. Most of them are free.

    1. Evernote. The grand-daddy of all note-taking apps, Evernote keeps getting more and more powerful at the same low price of free. I use it to take notes, to make to-do lists, to scan receipts, to write blog posts, and so much more. Start writing on the desktop, sync to your mobile, and vice versa.

    2. Cardmunch. This business card scanner is practically mandatory for anyone dealing in large quantities of business cards. It’s free from LinkedIn and will automatically check to see if your scanned cards are available as contacts on LinkedIn.

    3. Dropbox. Probably the best way to move files around from desktop to mobile and vice versa. I use this all the time with slide decks – make them on the desktop, sync them to the iPad, and I’m ready to go.

    4. Goodreader. For those times when someone’s got a peculiar file format, Goodreader is the Swiss Army Knife I use to get it open. I actually use this to show slide decks too – I find it’s better and easier for sitting down next to someone and swiping through a slide deck than the Keynote app.

    5. WordPress. The free app is a primitive but “good enough” interface into any WordPress blog, either on WordPress.com or self-hosted. When you’re trying to slap up a blog post or make corrections to your website while sitting in the airport terminal, this app can be a lifesaver.

    6. Waze. If you’re an outside sales person, Waze is the most powerful GPS imaginable. Social GPS lets you interact with fellow travelers to report police, hazards, traffic jams, and much more. Hard to believe it’s still free.

    7. Google Voice. In concert with a Google Voice account, this app consolidates your voicemail and text messages into one spot and offers mostly good voicemail-to-text conversion, which can be handy to see what a caller had to say.

    8. Kindle app. If you’re not learning, you’re not growing your professional skills. The Kindle app syncs with your Amazon eBook purchases and lets you continue to grow while on the road.

    9. Google Currents. One of my favorite news apps, you can get an incredible amount of relevant news from various blogs and publishers in one location. I grab Forbes, Fast Company, The Atlantic, XConomy, Venture Beat, Entrepreneur, and a few other publications in here for more brain food.

    10. iTunes U. This app syncs with your iTunes U selections in the iTunes store. There’s an amazing number of courses in iTunes U on sales and marketing from dozens of respected universities.

    11. Square Register. If you’re in a business where you do in-person sales and can collect while on the road, Square Register is not to be missed. In combination with the Square Card Reader, you can effectively turn your iPad into a cash register and process transactions on the road. Say you’re an author doing book signings. Just bring your crate of books and Square Register, then swipe peoples’ cards and make the sales right then and there.

    12. Social network native iOS apps. The networks’ individual apps – Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn – are useful and helpful if you’re doing social marketing. The Google+ app still leaves a lot to be desired, but all of them are free and worth having if you’re doing social marketing or social sales.

    Finally, I’ll include the one piece of hardware that isn’t an app – I use and absolutely love the Zaggfolio keyboard case for my iPad. It turns my iPad into a full-fledged laptop as far as typing is concerned and will convince even the most die-hard skeptic that the iPad can be a laptop replacement for content creation.

    Now I’ll turn it over to you: what apps do you find are most powerful for helping you to sell or market better?


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  • Should I dust off the archives?

    National Museum of American History

    I was digging through the vast collection of newsletters I’ve sent out over the past 2 years and found, amazingly, that about 25% of the information in each newsletter is durable – that is, it’s still valid up to 2 years later. What’s unfortunate is that all of the content is locked away in my email service provider’s database (WhatCounts email marketing FTW). If you’ve been reading the newsletter and then deleting it after you’re done, you have no way of getting back issues. If you just subscribed, there’s also no way to get back issues.

    So here’s my question for you. I can, with a whole heck of a lot of copy-pasting and editing, bring back the old newsletters as a set of eBooks, broken up quarterly. The first volume would probably summarize 2010 through summer 2011, since those were monthly until I switched to a weekly format. Then we’d have fall 2011 and winter 2011 compilations of the weeklies. Note that these would be compendiums, not individual newsletters!

    What I’d ask is that you take this quick 3 question survey (with a bit of conditional logic) to let me know your opinion of this idea! If enough people say it’s worth doing at enough of a price point to hammer out the piece, I’ll publish it. If everyone says, no, we don’t really have any interest in that, I’ll just let the idea go back to bed.

    If you don’t see a survey below, click here to view it on site.

    Thanks in advance for taking a few moments to share your thoughts. I appreciate it.

  • The best customers search for the problem

    Marketing Over Coffee

    On Marketing Over Coffee yesterday, one of our callers, Steve Dale, was lamenting that despite his best efforts at getting nearly every aspect of inbound marketing operating, he was still seeing no results from his digital marketing efforts for his window covering business. I took a quick look at his website today just to see what had been done and spotted the core problem around his inbound marketing.

    Steve’s focus was clearly and logically around the solution his company provided – shutters, blinds, and other ways to cover your windows, and he had done an admirable job as a small business owner in optimizing his digital marketing efforts around that, for which I congratulate him. The only problem is, Steve optimized for the wrong focus. (sorry, Steve)

    Think about your own search patterns (or look in your web search history). What do you type in more often than not? When you’re searching for answers to a problem, you search using words that describe the problem, not the answer. After all, logically, if you knew the answer, you wouldn’t have to search for it.

    Think about how our minds work to solve a problem:

    Stage 1: I don’t know there’s a problem.
    Stage 2: I know there’s a problem but I don’t know what the solution is.
    Stage 3: I know there’s a problem and I know what the solution is.
    Stage 4: I know there’s a problem and I’m ready to implement the solution.
    Stage 5: I have solved the problem (or not).

    If you optimize your marketing for Stage 1, you’re attempting demand generation – trying to create awareness of a problem and then being the purveyor of the solution. This can be an intensely painful uphill battle since there’s no pain point to address – you have to create the pain.

    If you optimize your marketing for Stage 2, you’re at the sweet spot: the customer has pain, but has no way out of the pain. You provide the doorway out of pain and if the pain is bad enough, they can’t leap through the door fast enough – or pay enough to do so.

    If you optimize your marketing for Stage 3, you’re now competing on all the factors that diminish your profits or make you lose to competitors. The customer is shopping around or has shopped around, and you now have to beat your competitors on price, value, convenience, etc.

    If you optimize your marketing for Stages 4 and 5, you’re fighting the customer. You’re fighting a decision that has been made and you now have to convince the customer that their decision was the wrong one, which is an even tougher battle. It can be done, but ultimately you have to create dissatisfaction with the chosen decision. The only time I’ve found I win business this way is when a competitor has royally screwed up and created the dissatisfaction for me.

    Steve optimized his marketing around stage 3. He offers solutions at unbeatable prices and encourages people to buy local. The catch is that in his industry, home improvement, most people stop searching once they know the solution to their problems and go to the nearest big box home improvement store instead, so Steve isn’t even in the running for search once people get to stage 3.

    His challenge will be to identify what people have pain about in stage 2 that he provides solutions for. After all, window coverings exist for a variety of reasons – you could want to prevent sun damage to your belongings, you could want privacy from outside eyes viewing into your home, or you could want something to accentuate your decor. Steve’s challenge is to ask prospective and current customers why they have pain and then re-optimize his marketing around the questions people are typing into search engines that showcase their pain.

    Here’s another example – when I first started lending a hand with the Boston Martial Arts Center website, it was optimized and focused around the name of our tradition, Togakure Ryu Ninpo Taijutsu. Even the domain name was solution-focused, boston-ninpo.com. Unfortunately, the only people who even knew what that was in order to search for it were already students at the school.

    We took a step back and looked at why someone might be interested in the martial arts. Self defense, fitness, awareness, stress reduction, etc. all came to the top of the list, and so we went on a campaign to rewrite the site’s content to focus around the problems people would be searching for, rather than the solution we offered. The results were immediate and powerful: new students started showing up at the door to try out classes.

    Look carefully at your marketing. Are you focused on the solution, or are you focused on the customer’s problem?


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  • 5 Facebook Timeline Tips for Companies

    Facebook Timeline is becoming mandatory on March 30, 2012 for everyone, companies included. There are lots of changes, but here are 5 that should be on your short list of things to do.

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    1. Remember all that money you spent on Like Gating, where you have to press the Like button to see the rest of the page and/or special offers? Sorry. Facebook has removed the ability to force non-fans to see any particular tab and now defaults to the timeline. Custom tabs will work, but they will not be front and center.

    Recommendation: make sure your apps have clear, obvious, bold icons so that they do show up properly on the Timeline page. You can see my Free Weekly Tips button above.

    2. The cover image is your new premium image space. Don’t just put a stupid logo there. Give people something to talk about! Note that Timeline Covers are clickable images that bring up the Photo lightbox. Make sure yours has a description, like this:

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    UPDATED: Some folks have posted in the comments that specific calls to action are prohibited.

    Covers may not include:
    i.    price or purchase information, such as "40% off" or "Download it on socialmusic.com";
    ii.    contact information such as a website address, email, mailing address, or information that should go in your Page's "About" section;
    iii.    references to Facebook features or actions, such as "Like" or "Share" or an arrow pointing from the cover photo to any of these features; or
    iv.    calls to action, such as "Get it now" or "Tell your friends."
    

    3. Timeline highlights all the stupid stuff you did in the past. Take some time to clean it up. Did you have a massive social media controversy a few years back? Quietly prune it away.

    4. Use Insights’ virality metric to figure out what’s working, under the new Page Insights:

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    Recommendation: look for commonalities in the top 5-10 items and see what really gets people sharing. Remember that Facebook’s new mission focuses on Sharing above all else.

    5. You have up 4 calls to action in the buttons. Likes is immoveable, so you’re really down to 3 – but the more buttons you have, the less your clickable summary text is visible. I chose 3 buttons above so that my about text was more visible. If it’s not compelling or highly active, consider pruning it and giving yourself more space.

    I hope these Facebook Timeline tips for your business are useful!


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  • Use Google Places data to power Google Adwords ads

    Let’s say you had a small business that had a geographic focus, like a restaurant or a martial arts school. Absolutely, there are lines of business that don’t have geographic restrictions, like selling your favorite recipes in a cookbook on Amazon or lessons via DVD, but the meat and potatoes of your business is still putting feet on the dojo floor or butts in seats.

    One of the most powerful tools at your disposal is the ability to geographically target areas using Google Adwords. After all, why bother to advertise in California if your restaurant is located in New York? You’d just be wasting an incredible amount of money to no good purpose and pay outrageously high per click costs.

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    At the same time, you don’t want to target too narrowly and miss people. So how do you find the ideal places to start running ads? The most obvious place is your Google Places listing. You do have one, right? If not, put this blog post down and go set up a Google Places listing right now. It’s free.

    Okay, welcome back. After your Google Places listing has been running for a while, you’ll want to scroll down towards the bottom of the listing. Look for “Where driving directions requests come from”.

    Google Places - Analytics

    This is the gold mine that will tell you where to focus your ad targeting. Instead of blanketing an area with ads, focus specifically at first on the postal code areas where people are already asking for driving directions to your business from!

    Why this specific information and not, say, Twitter follower locations? Because requesting driving directions on Google Maps indicates more intent than just a simple follow. You don’t ask for driving directions to a place you have no intention of going, unless you’re really, really bored and need something to do.

    Try this basic tip out on your local business and see if it helps you improve the conversion rate of your Adwords ads. Obviously, you can use the Google Places data for any form of locally-targeted advertising, from which Craigslist metro sub-areas to local coupons.


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  • Follow Friday, Pinterest style

    I’m getting the hang of Pinterest, not as a place to share items so much as a place to visually display things. That to me is its true power: highly visual, non-linear presentation. I figured I’d put a new twist on Follow Friday and put up my list of co-authors for the Awaken Your Superhero eBook as a Follow Friday board.

    Follow Friday Board

    How I made it:

    I gathered up the people I wanted, made note of their Twitter URLs, then found large size photos of them out on Google+ or Flickr. In most cases, I couldn’t pin straight from Twitter because Twitter’s images are too small, so I had to grab the photo, type up the description and link it up, then edit each pin’s URL to the Twitter URL. It’s a multistep process for each pin, so I’d recommend maybe putting one person on your board every day for a week and then sharing and resharing the board on Fridays.

    As a side note, if you’re asking “What’s with all the Pinterest stuff lately?” it’s because I’m trying out different ways of using it. That’s one of the lessons from the martial arts – take a tool, technique, or method and use it up as many ways as possible until you understand it.


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  • What killed this restaurant?

    Seoul Korea Day 6

    Stephen Hayes asks about a local 4-star eatery going out of business, So sorry to read of the close of this 4-star restaurant. Friends and I had lunch there days before lock-up. Food was always excellent and at surprisingly reasonable prices. Big question for every business owner – “How to keep pace in a world where degenerating tastes and standards bring ‘the best’ to their knees while mediocrity thrives and prospers?”

    To answer this question, we have to go back to the basics and the 4P marketing mix. Consumer tastes and standards are only one piece of the puzzle. For any business, it comes down to:

    Product: This is what Mr. Hayes alludes to in his comment. Despite having a 4-star product, the eatery went out of business. Their product might have been perfectly fine, but…

    Price: Price is not only what a business needs to earn to cover costs and create a margin, price is also (and more importantly) set by the consumer based on the value provided. If I don’t perceive 4-star value in what you deliver, I will not pay 4-star prices for it. Conversely, if I perceive top-dollar value, I will pay top-dollar price.

    Based on his post, however, it sounds like the restaurant in question didn’t have significant problems with product or price. That leaves two more Ps in the marketing mix:

    Place: Location matters – and not just in real life for a local business. Local businesses need to have strong local presence online. Place isn’t just physical space! In the case of the restaurant, does their website integrate with systems like Open Table? Did their Facebook Page provide necessary information (simple things like when you’re open matter a great deal)? Were they registered with Google Places and set up there?

    Promotion: This is likely where the restaurant, as many local businesses do, fell down the most. A quick look in the Wayback Machine at the restaurant Mr. Hayes mentions in his original comment on Facebook shows a website that hadn’t been significantly updated since 2006 with a design that looks positively 1996. Poorly optimized for local, a quick peek at Spyfu shows that there was no investment of any kind in online advertising. No Facebook presence at all. No blog, no Twitter account, no Groupon deals, nothing that indicates that the restaurant wanted to be found in the modern era. The old website had a mailing list form signup powered by Microsoft Frontpage, which in all likelihood meant they hadn’t emailed their list in quite some time, and certainly not regularly.

    The reality is that degenerating tastes and standards probably were not responsible for the demise of the local restaurant at all. Much more likely and important are the first words of Mr. Hayes’ comment – how to keep pace. The restaurant did not keep pace with the world, as evidenced through its digital memorials.

    Here’s a key point, an important point that local business owners neglect at their deep peril: you are not competing with other local businesses. You are competing with the entire world, with everything and everyone who is vying for the attention of your customer base. You must keep pace and be findable in the new marketing world, or you risk losing your audience – not just to competitors locally, but to every other distraction and diversion available to them.

    The local business experience that you deliver to your audience begins the moment someone types, “restaurants near me” into their Internet connected device.


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  • A better Follow Friday

    Follow Friday is something I’ve written about before, but today I want to encourage you to level up your Follow Friday efforts by focusing on people who have done nice things for you already, people who should already be important to you. I will assume you have a Google Webmaster Tools account and have correctly configured it at least 30 days ago, if not before. If you don’t have this set up, bookmark this post, go do it now, and come back in 30 days.

    In Google Webmaster Tools, click on Your Site on the Web. Click on Links to your site. Then look at the link list. There will be some sites on there that are broad domains, like WordPress.com or flickr.com. Those we’ll put aside for now. Look for individual people or companies in the list.

    Webmaster Tools - Links to your site - https://www.christopherspenn.com/

    There’s a Follow Friday list that matters – people who have decided that you’re worth linking to, that what you’re creating and producing has value enough to toss a link your way. In this illustration, my top inbound links are from Paul Muller, Nate Riggs, Mitch Joel, Whitney Hoffman, Eric Skiff, and Eric Hoffman. You owe them some thanks and recognition, because they’re putting you in front of their audiences.

    Want to go deeper down the rabbit hole? Click on the right-hand button at the top of that link list, the one labeled Download More Sample Links. This will dump a CSV file of all detected inbound links to your website or blog. Pull this open in the spreadsheet program or text editor of your choice and start poking around. You might be surprised to see who’s linking to you and why.

    All_Links_www_christopherspenn_com_20120224T120026Z.csv — Copied Lines

    Don’t just focus on names you already know and recognize, by the way. There are plenty to be had that are folks you may not have even been aware of, or may have only met once or twice (which is often the case for me). For example, I see in this list Robin McPherson, Tony Loftis, the Mind Tilt Podcast, Sylwia Presley, and James Sankar. New friends and allies are just a click away.

    Does this sort of deep dive take time and effort? Absolutely. However, if you’re looking to make your Follow Friday meaningful and close the loop of reputation given, this is one of the best ways to do it. You’re giving mentions and attention to people who are already supporting you. As anyone in the customer service business (and aren’t we all in that business) knows, it’s much easier to keep an existing customer than it is to find a new one.

    These lists aren’t just good for Follow Friday, by the way. If you’re looking for guest bloggers for your site, these folks might just be the best place in the world to start, because they already believe in you enough to link to you.

    Dig around. Try it out. See what surprises await you!


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  • 8 tips for a Pinterest social media resume

    Last night in preparation for my USF Advanced Social Media Class, I put together an idea fairly quickly that got a lot of attention and reaction: a social media resume example for my students on Pinterest. Pinterest’s unique way of displaying content means it’s exceptionally good at conveying information visually in a very compact way.

    The idea of a social media resume certainly is nothing new, even on Pinterest. However, most of the existing works are by artists, designers, and developers who are showing off designs and website work, rather than desk jockey careers like mine. The key to figuring out how to present effectively on Pinterest is to present visually for even non-visual stuff.

    Let’s look at a few key pieces and how I assembled them so that you can do the same.

    Social Media Resume Example

    Items 1 and 2 are actually full-size slides from Keynote/Powerpoint, exported as images. Because Pinterest is so visual, think big, bold words that scale well even in thumbnail sizes, as well as eye catching colors for the backgrounds. Avoid clutter and artistic fonts that scale poorly.

    Item 2 also highlights that putting any text that is formatting like a URL gets turned into a URL, so make sure any links you feature in the slide are placed below the image – they’re clickable.

    Item 3 is a video I uploaded to YouTube. Playable video is a great way to introduce yourself, and it plays natively right inside Pinterest. Please take the time to shoot a better quality video than I did.

    Item 4 is a recommendation from my LinkedIn profile, laid out on a slide again in Keynote/Powerpoint, then exported as an image. Take a recommendation or set of recommendations you’ve collected (Twitter favorites would work well too) and lay them out with a photo of some kind.

    Item 5 is a QR code which contains the data from item 2. I use RACO Industries QR Code Generator, set to 15% error correction. Don’t skimp on error correction with QR codes! Remember that Pinterest will scale it down, so you’ll want that extra error correction to make sure the final result still scans correctly.

    Item 6 is a professional headshot. Get one taken. There are so many people now with good digital cameras that getting a professional headshot should be relatively straightforward. Heck, find a local college that has a photography course and recruit a student, pay them for an hour of their time, and get several dozen taken.

    Item 7 is my book. Keep in mind that for resume purposes, you don’t need to be a published author through a publisher – having a Kindle book up for sale on Amazon is enough to at least convey the heuristic that you’re able to write.

    Item 8 is an example screenshot of the websites of companies I’ve worked at. Note that in all cases, I’m not focusing on the design of the site, but rather just using the home pages as visual anchors to read about what I did at those companies and organizations.

    It’s not obvious, but when you upload items like the slides for items 1-2 and the QR code in item 5, there’s no URL assigned to those items. Take a few moments to put a link to your contact page on your website for those items so that anyone who clicks on them gets taken to a form where they can get in touch with you. If you don’t have a website with a contact form and you’re actively seeking work, then I might be so bold as to say you’re doing it wrong. At least get a free Tumblr or WordPress.com account and put a contact form on that.

    One final note: as far as I can tell, there’s no obvious way to move the order of pins on a board. To rearrange a board, you have to move pins to and from another board in the reverse order of appearance. Let’s say I wanted to change the order of 1-5 in the example above. I’d move them all to another board, then bring them back to the resume board in reverse order. To recreate 1-5 above, I’d bring them back in this order: 5-4-3-2-1, where the last pin, 1, is the far left item. My recommendation would be to assemble all the pieces and components on a separate board and then move them once in the reverse order you want them to your actual Pinterest social media resume.

    What order should they be in? Since there’s effectively a “fold” of about two rows before you have to scroll, I’d say make sure the top row of images are the most important things. Remember that comments left on an item will change the layout of rows below it, so the top row is the stuff that absolutely must be seen! I chose contact information and video as my top row. Choose whatever calls to action work best for you.

    I hope this quick guide gives you some ideas about how to create a Pinterest social media resume for yourself, no matter what field you work in. You don’t have to be a designer, artist, or photographer to have a great looking board on Pinterest that showcases and highlights what you can do.

    Click here to view the example on Pinterest.


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