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    What’s On My Mind: Non Obvious Content Creation

    One of the things I hear people complain about, especially in social media content, is that “lessons learned from x” posts or “what you can learn from x” posts are both trite and not especially helpful. Why is this the case?

    Very often, these pieces of content don’t offer any insight because their conclusions are very surface, very obvious. For example, there was a piece floating around on LinkedIn back in April about the sinking of the Titanic and lessons businesses could learn.

    For folks who have been around for a while, what could we have gotten from that piece? What conclusions might we have reached that are not obvious? And how do we get to those conclusions, those insights?

    The answer to this, to building content that’s a little more interesting, is to understand what’s wrong in the first place. Most of these content pieces simply describe what’s observable, and that’s why they’re so trite. Want to get a sense of what’s already obvious? Use one of the many writing AIs and ask it to generate a piece. Because they’ve been trained on the most common content – and the most common content is obvious – you’ll get a sense for what’s been done already. Here’s an example:

    I gave the prompt, “Write six paragraphs about lessons marketers could learn from the sinking of the Titanic:”

    Here’s what one of the machines came up with.

    1. Always have a backup plan: The Titanic was sunk by an iceberg, but if the ship had had a backup plan (like a second set of engines), it might have been able to avoid the iceberg altogether.

    2. Don’t put all your eggs in one basket: The Titanic was designed to be unsinkable, but of course, it sank. Marketers should never put all their eggs in one basket and should always have a contingency plan.

    3. Things can go wrong even when you’re prepared: The Titanic was as prepared as possible for sinking, but things still went wrong. Marketers should always be prepared for the worst and hope for the best.

    4. Don’t underestimate your competition: The Titanic was the biggest and best ship of its time, but it still lost to an iceberg. Marketers should never underestimate their competition, no matter how big or small they may be.

    5. Always test your products: The Titanic was tested extensively before it set sail, but it still sunk. Marketers should always test their products thoroughly before releasing them to the public.

    6. Don’t get complacent: The Titanic was the pinnacle of maritime technology, but it still failed. Marketers should always be on the lookout for new and innovative ways to stay ahead of the competition.

    Obvious, right? This content reads like pretty much every common piece you’ve read in blogs and online.

    So what’s the remedy to this? There’s a three step process I use to try finding stuff that people haven’t already covered, or at least covered less frequently: frame, parallel, oppose. (unfortunately, I haven’t come up with a catchy acronym just yet)

    How does this work? Let’s start with frame. What’s the underlying framework of a series of events or something you’re trying to explain? Suppose you’re looking at something like Chernobyl or Titanic. The underlying framework is a series of compounding errors that people made which caused or worsened the natural disasters. Once you distill down a seemingly random collection of facts to a coherent framework, you’re ready to start finding the non-obvious. This, by the way, is usually the point that most content stops at.

    The second step is to parallel. What other frameworks do you know that operate in parallel with the framework you’re working with? For example, let’s take the Titanic framework – a series of poor decisions and mistakes that compounded the problem, like poor/broken communication, bad decisions, and lack of situation awareness. Next, let’s select a parallel framework, like hacking into a company’s systems. Penetration testing has a clear set of operational standards – project scoping, reconnaissance, identification of weaknesses, determining vectors of exploitation, performing the exploits, reporting the findings, and remediating the weaknesses.

    How do you apply a penetration testing framework to the timeline and decisions of the Titanic? Suppose instead of the Titanic accidentally sinking, you wanted to sink it on purpose. What steps from the penetration testing framework would you apply to the Titanic framework of events? Reconnaissance and weakness identification would be your keys to making it happen – from the arrogance of the builders to the crew to the guests themselves. From the perspective of a hacker, everything that went wrong with Titanic is something you could engineer into pretty much any major project, but the root cause of it all is human arrogance. That’s the real, not as obvious theme that weaves through the entire narrative of the Titanic.

    The third step in the framework is to oppose. Flip the script now – knowing the root cause of the Titanic’s sinking was arrogance (“unsinkable!”), where are the vulnerabilities in your company’s marketing operations? What are the arrogant blind spots that a competitor could engineer in your operations? What are the system safeties that could fail to work correctly?

    For example, in your sales scripts, how self-centered are they, knowing that selfish messaging is a symptom of arrogance?

    In your C-Suite, what decisions are your executives making that run contrary to literally every known piece of data available to you?

    In your marketing automation system, how many safeties are built in? For example, GDPR compliance requires that audiences opt-in for the use of their data and you face substantial civil and even criminal penalties for violations of it. Yet there’s an increasing threat of bots and spammers leveraging real people’s data in click farms – how prepared are you to counter that threat? Were you even aware that was a threat?

    By taking a parallel framework and changing our thinking to how we might make an accident like the Titanic happen on purpose, we reveal more to the story that’s useful from a content perspective and create content that isn’t blatantly obvious (and therefore adds little to no value). This meta-framework – frame, parallel, oppose – will help you unlock more value for the content you want to create.

    Here’s an exercise. Go onto Twitter and search for “what marketers can learn from”. Choose any one of the many pieces that pop up and ask yourself – or do as an exercise with your colleagues – how you’d reframe the piece to be much more useful using frame, parallel, and oppose.

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  • Mind Readings: Frameworks and Checklists

    Mind Readings: Frameworks and Checklists

    Strategy and tactics are commonly intermingled and they really shouldn’t be. Here’s the difference.

    Summary:

    In this episode, the speaker talks about the difference between strategy and tactics. He says that strategy is like a menu, while tactics are like recipes. He suggests that if you want to be doing more strategic work, you should be working with more menus (frameworks). If you want to improve the tactics and execution in your company, you can sit down and make better recipes (checklists).

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    In this episode, let’s talk about frameworks and checklists.

    I was at an event recently Content Marketing World, listening to one session and seeing a presenter kind of commingle strategy and tactics, right.

    What are we going to do? And how are we going to do it kind of thing.

    And they’re commonly intermingled, and they really shouldn’t be because they’re different things, or different things.

    Generally speaking, if you’re talking about strategies, you should be doing things and working with things like frameworks, for example, some kind of framework that helps you eat, elucidate your strategy, and make it easy for people to understand such as Porter’s five forces or a SWOT analysis, or the four P’s of marketing, right? These are frameworks that help you define your strategy.

    The Trust Insights five P model is an example of a framework that applies to a strategy.

    When you’re talking about tactics and execution.

    Frameworks don’t really apply as much there they can to some degree, but at that point, you’re really talking about checklists, right? You’re talking about checklists, almost recipes or cookbooks on how do you do the thing in a repeatable, scalable, efficient, effective manner.

    So if you find yourself working with frameworks, you’re probably doing strategy.

    If you find yourself working with checklists, you’re probably working on tactics and execution, and the vice versa is true.

    If you are being asked for strategy, and you’ve come up with a checklist you’ve not you’ve come up with a set of tactics.

    If you have come up with a framework, then you you’ve probably started on the road to strategy.

    Here’s a good analog for this.

    A strategy is like a menu, right? When you go to a restaurant, and you read the menu, that is a framework, right? There’s appetizers, main courses, desserts, drinks, that framework helps you make decisions about what to have, what should I eat? And, you know, depending on the the restaurant, you go to the you could have a lot of challenging decisions in front of you, like, do I want the cramp or lay later? Do I want the steak? What kind of wine do I want the steak and so on and so forth.

    The tactics and execution, those are the recipes.

    Here’s how to cook a medium rare stick right, you get the center 235 degrees Fahrenheit.

    And don’t let it go above that.

    Here’s how to make mashed potatoes.

    Here’s how to do this.

    Here’s how to make a salad that that tastes good.

    I always salt your tomatoes.

    Because tomatoes contain glutamic acid, adding salt makes it form a natural form of MSG.

    Those are all recipes.

    Right? Very tactical, very executional.

    And can you imagine sitting down in a restaurant, and having someone hand you a cookbook full of recipes and say up here, just use what we have available? You’d be like, I don’t need know how to cook it, man.

    I just want to I just want to order some food.

    Right? Can you imagine working in the kitchen saying okay, so the customer just ordered veal piccata.

    And, and your sous chef just hands you a menu, like know how to cook this thing helped me out here.

    That’s the difference between strategy and tactics, frameworks and checklists.

    Right, the menu is a framework.

    The recipe is a checklist.

    If you are working with one type of content like framework or checklist, you know what you’re working on.

    If you want to be doing more strategic work, right, if you’re you aspiring a career to be doing more strategic work, you should be working with more menus, you should be working with more frameworks, you should be introducing frameworks.

    Even if your company doesn’t do that.

    You could be blogging about it, putting it up on YouTube, things like that.

    That’s how you move from one to the other.

    Right? If you want to improve the tactics and execution in your company, maybe you’re the CMO, maybe your VP of marketing, and your marketing team is just not getting the job done.

    You can sit there and yell like, well, this is this is not aligned with our strategy.

    Or you can say show me your cookbook.

    Show me your recipe show me your checklists show me the order of operations and how you do things.

    And let’s sit down and make better recipes.

    Right so you can step down into tactics execution to sticks and tune them up.

    Christopher Penn 5:03

    But the distinction between the two is really important.

    You don’t want to commingle them.

    You don’t want to mix them up.

    You don’t want to think you’re doing one thing and not the other.

    You don’t want to think that you’re doing strategy, but you’re actually doing tactics because then when someone comes along and says, show me your strategy, and you hand them a recipe, they’re gonna look at you like, you don’t really know what you’re doing, do you? So that’s my suggestion for how to tell whether you are working on strategy or whether you’re working on tactics.

    You’re either working on frameworks or checklists, menus, or recipes.

    Thanks for tuning in.

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  • Mind Readings: No Excuses for Lack of Diversity in Content

    Mind Readings: No Excuses for Lack of Diversity in Content

    With the dawn of AI models that can create many different kinds of content, there’s no excuse any longer for a lack of diversity in content.

    Summary:

    In this episode of Mind Readings, the speaker talks about diversity in content, specifically visual content. They say that in the past, companies would give excuses for why their content wasn’t diverse, like they couldn’t find anyone suitable or they didn’t have any employees who were diverse. However, with new technology, there are no excuses for not having diverse content. With a few clicks, companies can create any image they want, without having to leave their desk. This means that the only reason companies aren’t being more inclusive in their content is because they are choosing not to be.

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    In this episode of Mind readings, let’s talk about diversity in your content, particularly your visual content.

    One of the things that people have said over the years is that, you know, with, with content they’ve created, when asked, Well, why why is there more representation in your content, people would say things like, you know, we couldn’t find anyone suitable, we don’t have any employees who are in that group of people, we don’t have staff that are that diverse, we didn’t have an aid, the right agency or agency didn’t have the talent.

    And for years, we’ve heard excuse after excuse from Creative organizations and companies that they couldn’t find her for diversity and representation, right in their marketing materials.

    There’s other things at play there, right? Putting aside demographic data in the fact that these folks, some of at least some of them were probably just unwilling to create marketing materials that involves people didn’t look like them.

    Those excuses are now permanently over, like, permanently.

    Why? In the last year, we have seen astonishing astonishing leaps forward in Creative Technologies with things like open AI is Dolly to or hugging faces, and stability, AI is stable diffusion, mid journey, these systems can generate images, right, you give them a text prompt, prompt, and it creates an image.

    And these images are royalty free, they are copyright free.

    They are labor free, in a lot of cases, right? Obviously, you have to generate them.

    But it’s not like you have to go hire a crew of actors and film directors and stuff like that to do a photo shoot.

    And you still get representations of people, right, you still get images that look like people.

    So you can create clipart, stock photography, etc.

    of people of any age, ethnicity, nationality, background gender, without leaving your desk, you don’t have to, you have to leave your chair to do this.

    So instead of the stock image, you know, like two people sitting at a meeting, you know, staring awkwardly at each other, you can create that and not have to pay a stock photography company, the licensing keyboard, which means that you can ask these machines for different people, right, instead of saying to two guys sitting at a table, right in an office, you could type in an Indian man and a black woman sitting at a table and an office, right.

    And it will create and render semi realistic images or paintings or watercolors or whatever medium you want to choose.

    That would be totally appropriate for business use, write it all in all clipart we use all looks the same anyway.

    It’s it’s people in nice suits to having conversations, etc.

    No one would blink an eye about it.

    But that generic clipart image can now represent whoever you want it to represent.

    Right? Maybe you do live in an area where there are no Latino people.

    Oh, well now now you can just type in Latino man and a black woman at a data desk in an office, right? Or a Latino man and an Indian woman talking at a water cooler, all the all the typical marketing imagery.

    And you don’t have to go and find talent.

    You don’t have to rent a location.

    You generate this image quality you German right the stuff of this artificial intelligence.

    Which means there are no excuses anymore for you to not have diverse populations represented in your marketing materials.

    None.

    With a few typed commands a few clicks your mouse.

    You can create literally any grouping of people you want.

    Right, you can create three black women in grey business suits.

    Holding iPads sitting at a conference room table and machines will create a credible representation of that.

    You might need to tune it up with like GFP Gan to tune up the faces a little bit but you can create it If you can make it you can have it you can use it in your marketing materials.

    Christopher Penn 5:07

    Which means that from today on from this day forward, the only reason you are not being more inclusive in your marketing materials is because you are making a conscious choice not to be right, you are making a conscious choice not to be when the alternatives are free and relatively easy.

    That’s the important part.

    As of today, with these tools you can make free like unlicensed, relatively easy imagery of any kind of people you want.

    And some of the artwork that people are creating with these tools is astonishing.

    It’s so realistic and look so good.

    You’re not being represented because you choose not to be you’re not being inclusive, because you choose not to be and customers consumers remember the public will absolutely start to judge you that way.

    Because creating five Guatemalan kids make a building a battle robot is within these creative tools capabilities.

    So you choosing people who only look like you, whoever you are, means that you’re making a conscious choice not to be inclusive when being inclusive is just as easy and just as low cost.

    That’s today’s thoughts.

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  • Mind Readings: What Exactly is a Brand Voice?

    Mind Readings: What Exactly is a Brand Voice?

    At a recent event, I listened to a discussion about brand voice and it occurred to me that there really isn’t such a thing.

    Summary:

    A brand voice is the way a company or brand chooses to communicate with the public. It is the aggregate voice of the people who run that brand, the people who are in marketing, the people who are stakeholders and executives, and how they want that thing to sound. Most corporate brand voices are watered down because they are created by committees. It is better to have a few people who are authorized to speak on behalf of a brand and follow specific guidelines and restrictions.

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    In this episode, let’s talk about brand voice.

    At a recent event Content Marketing World, I listened to Ann Handley present her talk about brand voice and was a really good talk a lot of fun talking about how brand voice can can differentiate you.

    But I, it occurred to me and as I was listening to the talk, as I was listening to her to go through some of these examples.

    I’m not sure that brand voice exists.

    Well, let me rephrase it, I’m not sure that brand voice exists as a coherent entity most of the time.

    And here’s why.

    When we talk about a voice, we’re talking about something like you and I, right now, right, I’m speaking to you in my literal voice.

    And I’m using words and grammatical structures and vocabulary that are unique to me, right, that are part and parcel of how I grew up how I was educated, and ultimately how I choose to present myself.

    And a brand voice is, in theory, the aggregate voice of a brand, right? It’s the aggregate voice of the people who run that brand, the people who are in marketing the people who are stakeholders and executives, and how they want that thing to sound.

    You can imagine that, and this is why most corporate brand voices are awful, you know, anything by committee is generally going to create less distinct results than anything done by an individual.

    They may, you know, what an individual may create maybe better or worse, you know, higher or lower quality, but it’s distinct to that individual, when you start synthesizing voices together, blending people’s voices together, you’re gonna get sort of a watered down sounding voice, you’re gonna get a watered down point of view, especially if there are multiple layers of approvals and things like that, where the legal team has to weigh in and stuff.

    And so that got me thinking, Is there even such a thing as a brand voice? Or is there a person, or maybe a couple of people who are authorized to speak on behalf of a brand, and follow obviously specific guidelines and restrictions, but essentially, are proxies for that brand’s voice? For example, when we look at an example from our talk about the people who write the captions for Stranger Things on Netflix, at the end of the day, that’s one person and actually highlights this person in her talk.

    That’s one person’s voice that is working on behalf of the brand.

    But it is not a brand voice.

    If you polled 50 People at Netflix, you know, we’re working even on that production, that those are probably not the words that they would have chosen.

    If you think about your own company, how does your company decide how to sound? Right? This is something that, for example, Katie, and I Trust Insights, as the CO owners, we have very different voices, right? And so when you look at the content that we create, for Trust Insights is relatively straightforward to figure out who wrote what, right you can read a piece of text and go okay, that was definitely written by Katie, or that was definitely written by Chris.

    And there isn’t a voice that we have that is a an amalgamation of the two of us, because we’re just such different people.

    And we’re the owners, right? So we are the stakeholders.

    Now imagine a marketing team in place, a PR team in place trying to pitch this thing out and communicate into the world.

    I, I’m not sure that there would be a brand voice that would be as effective as a person’s voice.

    Now, can you have agreed upon standards? Absolutely.

    You can say yeah, there’s a style guide or these you know, there’s certain things we do or don’t do.

    And maybe you do use profanity, maybe you don’t use profanity, maybe you reference pop culture, maybe you don’t, but at least when we think about the voice of a brand, unless you’re the Borg right and hear your voices.

    No resistance is futile.

    You will be assimilated.

    I don’t know how valuable it is to try and and create one as opposed to finding the people within your organization who have the

    Christopher Penn 4:56

    voice that you’re looking for.

    People who can write, and speak and create content in a way that you think reflects well on the brand.

    And letting that team do their work, right, letting people create stuff.

    Obviously helping them collaborate, obviously helping them communicate.

    Obviously making sure everyone is on the same page about what’s going on and what you should be doing.

    But at the end of the day, if you find that your content is so watered down, that it is meaningless corporate dreck.

    It might be time to let individual people speak on behalf of the brand.

    They don’t necessarily take credit or be, you know, in front of the camera or anything.

    But there’s something to that, I think, because we as humans, as people, we resonate best with other people, right? I don’t go to sleep at night dreaming of a brand, right? I have dreams about people I know.

    I might interact with a brand’s products and that dream, but I don’t have a conversation with that brand.

    I don’t imagine having a chatbot session speaking to this Borg voice of a brand.

    So give that some thought.

    give that some thought about whether you’re taking the route of an amalgamated sort of bloodless and soulless voice or whether you’re letting the individual voices of people who are authorized to speak on behalf of your company.

    You’re letting those voices shine through.

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  • Mind Readings: Advanced Questions

    Mind Readings: Advanced Questions

    At a recent event, one of the speakers talked about answering the advanced questions. That got me wondering… what exactly are the advanced questions, anyway?

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    In this episode, the speaker talks about how to create content for key stakeholders, instead of commodity content that search engines would find. He talks about how there are two or three different models and frameworks for getting to things like advanced questions or to any advanced topic. The first framework he talks about is the “how, what, why” framework. The second framework is the Google “hero, hub, help” model. He talks about how research is a big part in finding these advanced questions. He talks about how to create hero content, and how it takes a lot of time and effort to create truly original and unique content.

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    In this episode, let’s talk about the advanced questions.

    At a recent event, I was at Content Marketing World, Drew Davis did a great keynote talking about rarely answered questions on how we can create content for key stakeholders instead of commodity content that search engines would find.

    And I got me wondering, what exactly are the advanced questions anyway? There’s two or three different models and frameworks for getting to things like advanced questions or to any advanced topic.

    So the, the, the premise of Drew’s talk was that the Frequently Asked Questions are very often tactical questions that have a gazillion answers, right.

    They’re frequently asked questions.

    How do you do this? How do you do that? And if we think about the types of questions people will ask, How was a very common question, how do you do this thing? Right? How do you get more followers on Instagram or something along those lines? The second tier up sort of goes slightly more advanced would be a what question, what is Instagram? Right? What is the purpose of having followers and so on and so forth? And then the highest tier would be the why questions? Why would you even do this? And why do you care about this thing? In his talk, he mentions, one of the rarely answered asked questions is, why does content marketing take so long to work? Right? There’s plenty of questions on how long it takes to work, but very few pieces of content a why it takes so long to work.

    So that how what, why framework is very useful for trying to determine what those more advanced questions are.

    At the higher levels.

    I mean, Simon Sinek has been talking about this for a number of years, the whole start with why premise of asking really challenging questions about your brand, why do you show up to work? Why does your company exist? And so on and so forth? These are questions that you’re not going to Google and answer for.

    Right? There’s no, there’s no way to Google what is my company about? That is something that you have to answer.

    But that is absolutely something that a CEO or CMO will be interested in.

    The second framework, which mirrors the how what why framework very closely is Google’s hero hub help model and they use this for content marketing, specifically, they advise creators that there’s there should be a large pyramid of at the bottom of the pyramid sort of help content? How do you do things right how to make bearnaise sauce.

    Then there’s hub content, which is sort of monthly, bigger pieces that you promote more that you spend more money on that are more, they’re less execution more tactical.

    And then of course, there’s the Hero Pieces, the once a quarter big splash pieces of content that you roll out big premieres, for example, on your YouTube channel.

    And this hero hub helped model is there a suggestion for making content that does well, now, the hero hub help model sort of goes against what Drew was talking about in the sense that Google advises you create a lot of help content, relatively frequent hub content, and then relatively infrequent help a hero content because the hero content takes a lot longer to create, requires more investment of resources, more promotion, and requires really having these big ideas on a fairly frequent basis, some kind of big idea or big concept.

    For folks who have written books or given conference talks, you know, that big ideas are tough to create, right? truly original, unique, big ideas.

    They take a lot of effort, creating help content, tactical how to content.

    That’s easy.

    That’s that’s straightforward.

    Here’s the difference between that the strategy that drew presented and the strategy that that Google presents, Google is trying to get you traffic, right.

    Regardless of quality, they just want eyeballs on your content, because that benefits them.

    The more eyeballs that they have on YouTube, the more ads they can sell.

    But it does also jumpstart your community right because of your can attract a lot of people who are very tactically minded, that can create a community for you.

    Now, one of the things you have to do is if you’re going to take that approach out, you have to approach it for a long period of time, because if you want those people and your audience to be strategists and sees We,

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    you could be dealing with people, you know, in your audience for 10 to 15 years, right, as they ascend the hierarchies in their organizations, they naturally become more senior over time.

    And you’re able to take those relationships and work with them.

    But it takes 10 to 15 years, right? If you’re trying to get results, sooner rather than later, you might be better off flipping that and going for as much hero content as you can afford, targeted at the highest levels of a company.

    How else do you get advanced questions? Well, a big part is research.

    There is no substitute for going out to your target audience, people you really want to talk to? And asking them, what are the tough questions that you have? What are the questions that you’ve not been able to find the answers to? What are the challenges that are taking longer than you think.

    And this because your audience at those highest levels is not going to be huge, you’re not going to be rolling out a massive survey, you’re probably going to be bending someone’s ear at a conference, right? Maybe scheduling a one on one call if you can get onto somebody’s calendar, things like that looking at aggregating research done by other research firms that do have that level of access, if you don’t, to put together what those questions are.

    That’s challenging for a lot of organizations, right? And that’s challenging for any kind of research.

    Because if you want to talk to the fortune 50 CMOS, well guess what everybody else does, too.

    And it can be very tricky to get a hold of them.

    So you might have to look at people that level of seniority, but maybe not at the biggest companies with the understanding that a lot of the challenges that maybe someone in the Fortune 1000 is facing, probably at least some of them, there’s some overlap with challenges of the Fortune 50.

    Right.

    Think about ROI and marketing.

    We know what ROI is, you know, that’s that’s an easy question.

    It’s earned minus spent divided by spent, it’s a very common financial formula.

    We know less about what are the best ways to calculate ROI.

    And one of the challenging questions is why is ROI so difficult to compute? And why is this seemingly simple formulas? So out of reach for a lot of people? Why do consulting firms get paid millions of dollars to get that answer? That would be that sort of hero level content, and you’d have to invest some time in it.

    Think about hero content, like writing a book, right? When you write a book, this thing probably has a big idea in some kind.

    And it’s going to take you a long time, anywhere from six to 18 months to crank this out.

    So if you want a cadence of hero content, you’re going to need to have essentially, four books in progress at any given time throughout the year to crank out one per quarter.

    That should help you calibrate level of investment, you need to create those advanced questions to create the hero content that would answer those advanced questions.

    So that’s some thinking about how we can extrapolate from that particular talk into something we can do.

    Right? Your first step is going to be doing the research and then figuring out how you’re going to create the content about those multiple big ideas at the same time.

    So that’s today’s mind readings.

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    One of my favorite events of the year, Content Marketing World, has come and gone. Let’s do some room temperature takes on the big themes and my reactions to them.

    Why room temperature takes? Because “hot takes” implies rapid and vigorous reactions, and these are neither.

    Robert Rose: “Even search is inefficient now. TikTok has conditioned us and our audiences that good content will be delivered to us automatically.”

    Robert’s TikTok example is amplified by so many trends in marketing right now. Google’s One Box search results, featured snippets, and other delivery mechanisms causing zero click search results. Facebook and Instagram mimicking the TikTok method of content delivery. Even the venerable newsletter – everything’s about reducing friction. And nothing reduces friction between the creator and the consumer like giving the consumer what they want before they have to ask for it.

    Drew Davis: “Here the simple strategy of just answering obvious questions is badly outdated because it’s low value commodity content. Instead answer rarely asked questions.”

    Drew’s premise for content marketing is to create content for specific, narrow personas at the top of the org chart instead of broad content that’s a commodity like frequently asked questions for junior practitioners. The content he’s proposing has little to no SEO value because only a handful of people are searching for something, but it can have enormous impact if you can get it to them. In some aspects, it’s reminiscent of category design, where you try to identify very niche ideas and blow them out into something big.

    Joe Pulizzi: “Lease space. Add new content to existing feeds and audiences instead of creating new properties. Almost like advertorial.”

    This is a common sense tactic that we see channels like First We Feast enact with great success. Instead of starting up new properties and new audiences from scratch, using existing inventory and audiences. For example, in my YouTube feed, you’ll see several different shows that serve one audience – You Ask, I Answer, Mind Readings, So What?, and travel related stuff. If I were to split them out, I’d end up fragmenting my audience. Joe’s suggestion is to do the reverse – and even consider incorporating related content from others (with their permission) in your feed if it’s relevant.

    Ann Handley: “Brand voice test: if you cover up the logo, can someone tell it’s your content?”

    This is the classic white label test that we’ve been talking about for over a decade – and yet, so few brands do this well. Ask yourself this – if you didn’t know your company’s newsletter or blog came from your company, could it just as easily be a competitor’s?

    Mike Allton: “The key to high volume content creation: idea capture on any device at any time. Never let an idea get away.”

    These days, with the advent of smart watches, smart phones, smart speakers, etc. there’s literally no excuse at all to let an idea vanish on you. Capture it somehow; I’m a big fan of the free Joplin app because it syncs across all my devices and I can faceroll my ideas into a central repository anywhere.

    Mark Harrison: “A vision statement is a vision: you can see it, you chase it, but you never catch it.”

    I loved Mark’s description of what a vision really is.

    Ashley Zeckman: “RELATIONSHIPS ARE NOT CAMPAIGNS. Stop treating influencer programs as one off initiatives.”

    This point grinds on me for more than just influence. There’s a conference that sets up new communities before every single major event – and then promptly abandons those communities the moment the closing keynote is done. Why? Because the organizers no longer see the conference community as something they can harvest for revenue, and their primary push is to force everyone into their paid community instead.

    It’s fine to ask for money. But don’t bait and switch people – ask for money up front so people know what they’re getting into.

    Andy Crestodina: “Specificity correlates with conversion.”

    Andy’s talk as usual was filled with practical advice, but I thought this aphorism was especially useful. How many things do we have on our websites and marketing collateral that are generic? Harkening back to Ann’s talk, if you covered up the context on a page, could an audience member tell what the value was? “Contact us” really doesn’t say anything – and it’s self-centered. “Get help with your marketing analytics today” says a lot more, and it’s not something that, say, Home Depot would have on their site.

    My talk: Content attribution is about what content works. Channel attribution is about where content works. Content is the ingredient, channel is the cooking method – and you need good ingredients and good methods to deliver.

    I’ll be blunt, I felt like my talk went poorly. Despite rehearsal, it was shorter than I wanted it to be and I feel like the key points were muddled, so that talk goes back into the shop for reworking.

    One final observation from the event as a whole and from evidence in my session specifically. I feel like we’ve rebooted marketing, and not in a good way. Listening to questions, listening to conversations, I felt like the overall audience had lost a lot of institutional knowledge, that the audience wasn’t as advanced in their marketing journey as they were prior to the pandemic.

    For example, I asked at one point how many people were familiar with Google Analytics’ UTM parameters. Almost every hand went up. That was great. Then I asked how many people use them consistently and regularly – and I lost 95% of the hands. Using UTM tracking codes dates back to 2005 – this is in no way a new concept, and yet the audience wasn’t following through on even the most basic of marketing attribution tasks.

    This is bad news for marketing, especially marketing operations. Marketing isn’t getting easier or less complex – but if our ability to work in challenging, complex environments has diminished, then we’re poorly set up for success.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Social Listening for Small Business?

    You Ask, I Answer: Social Listening for Small Business?

    Tim asks, “Any tips for convincing a small business that they need to pay for social listening, Not just posting?”

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    In today’s episode, Tim asks any tips for convincing a small business that they need to pay for social listening? Not just posting? Sure.

    Do you want to know when people are talking about you? And that’s, that’s the easiest way to position it.

    Do you want to know when people are talking about you? Do you want to know what they’re saying? When they’re talking about you? If the answer is no, then you’re not going to make a sale on social listening software, because that’s a business that is not interested in listening to people, it’s not interested in listening to what customers have to say.

    On the other hand, if a company is interested in listening, that would be how I would try to convince that person.

    Think about it this way.

    social listening is about hearing what people are saying about any given topic.

    So it could be you.

    It could be your industry, it could be the problems people are having.

    It could be your competitors, what people are saying about your competitors? Wouldn’t you like to know what people are saying about your competitors? Wouldn’t you like to know what people are saying about you? And if nobody’s talking about you, that is a pretty big problem.

    Right? If nobody’s talking about you, if there’s nothing to listen to, you’re not doing a very good job of building a brand.

    Right? That’s fundamentally what’s happening when there’s no data to look at.

    And social listing, if you’re tuned in to your name, your products, your services, your executives, and there’s no conversation, then you need to invest a lot more heavily in brand building, because you’re not, you’re not creating a brand, you’re not creating something that’s worth talking about.

    If nobody’s talking about you and your competitors and your industry, then you’ve got a much bigger problem.

    You’re basically in a space that nobody is active in social media about, which is maybe fine, right? There are certain industries where, yeah, there isn’t a whole lot of conversation on public social media.

    And that’s a good thing, right? Anything around like national security, you should not be having top secret conversations on Twitter, right? Just like you shouldn’t be leaving, you know, top secret file folders in like, you know, next year pool.

    Those industries, highly regulated industries, yes, you for sure do not want to be having conversations of a sensitive nature in public.

    And social listening might be of relatively little help in those situations.

    Because again, that’s not where the conversations happening.

    But good media monitoring tools, can can provide that the social part along with everything else, right, there are certain services like Talkwalker, for example, that cover not just social listening, but also media publications, news, television, podcasts, etc.

    And that is something that you’d probably want to have your your your finger on the pulse of to say, are people on podcasts about our industry talking about us? Do we ever get mentioned in podcasts, if we do get mentioned, great.

    If we don’t, then people don’t think about us people don’t remember that we exist, people don’t realize that we are part of this industry.

    And that’s something that you can and should solve for.

    So the way to make a use case for media monitoring or social listening, or conversation monitoring, or whatever term you want to call it, is one, does the organization already have a commitment to listening in some form? Right? Do you read customer emails? Do you handle customer complaints? Well, if the answer there is no, you’re probably not going to get anywhere social listening, right? If you’re not listening to the most valuable people that you already have contact with your customers, you’re not going to listen to anybody else.

    And it is time possibly to update your LinkedIn profile.

    If the company says yes, we have a culture of listening, we have a culture of of paying attention to what customers have to say, then you can say great, here are places where customers are having conversations.

    And you can use you know, either free or low cost tools.

    One of my favorites is Talkwalker alerts.

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    If you go to talkwalker.com/alerts you can sign up for free, some free basic media monitoring, and see what is being said to see what’s being talked about.

    If nobody is saying anything.

    Nobody’s talking in and you’ve set up your queries, well, then, yeah, social listening might not be a good fit.

    On the other hand, if people are talking about the industry, or talking about your competitors, maybe even talking about you, then you can demonstrate a business case like yeah, we want to know what the audience has to say about our industry so that we can react to it right if We’re doing some social listening and our competitors are talking and they’re, they’re talking trash about everybody else the industry, we want to know about it, we want to be able to say, that’s not true, right? That’s not true, our burger is just as large as their burger or, you know, our pizza delivery is just as on time as their pizza delivery, whatever the example is, fill in your own blank there.

    But you want to make sure that you can showcase here’s the conversations that are relevant to us, and why we need to be listening for them.

    And maybe, if there’s good competitive chatter that’s available, maybe even showcase Hey, we might even be able to snipe a customer from a competitor by being part of the conversation faster than our competitors are.

    Right.

    And so we would use social listening software to do that.

    So there’s a lot of different ways.

    Obviously, one objection is price.

    quite small businesses, small budgets, for the most part is a general rule.

    And there are options all up and down the spectrum for, for literally every budget, there’s the free things like Talkwalker alerts, on the other hand, is the paid Talkwalker product, which is more for mid sized business.

    There’s a company like brand 24, which is a small to midsize business sector, this, there’s so many different options, all along the spectrum of tools that can do a lot of good listening for you find the right tool that fits your budget that fits what you’re going to do with the data.

    But make sure that you have those examples of here’s how we would use this data to take action because that for a lot of people is the hard part.

    Explain to a company why they need they don’t see what you do with the information.

    When you see a media mention of yourself, for example, maybe you see a someone calling you out on Twitter in a good way.

    Yeah, retweet that run ads, promote that post boost, do something.

    And once you have a series of decisions that you take based on a piece of media, then it’s easy to justify media monitoring and social listening, because you can say yeah, this is what you do with the information.

    This is how we take action on it.

    This is how we build the business with it by saying yeah, we can we use this as third party testimonials, right? We can showcase these things on our on our LinkedIn page or on our website.

    Here’s what people are saying about us.

    Unpaid people are saying this about us on Twitter.

    This is you know, these are conversations you want to highlight.

    So that’s how I would do it.

    Come up with the use cases.

    Figure out where your company’s culture is around things like social listening, and then go from there.

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    You Ask, I Answer: What CMOs Want From Agencies?

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    In today’s episode, Bonnie asks, What does a CMO want to see from their agency? And 2022? This is a relatively easy question to answer.

    It’s the same thing that they want to see from the agency and 2021 or 90 and 21.

    Right? What have you done for me lately? How are you helping me get my bonus? That’s it.

    A cmo wants to know what the agency has done? What results have you gotten? Are you getting consistently bigger and better results? If you’re a PR agency? Have you gotten me in better publications? Have you gotten me in front of more reporters or sources or influencers? If you’re an ad agency, have you increased the number of clicks and conversions I’ve gotten? Have you decreased my costs? Everybody wants the same three things better, faster, cheaper, that’s what we all want.

    An agency that can deliver one of those three is going to do really well.

    Two out of three, you’ve got a client for as long as they want you and three out of three, your clients probably going to try and buy because you’re delivering miracles, better, faster and cheaper.

    That’s what we all want.

    So when we look at what an agency is tasked with doing, you know, if you’re an SEO agency, have you improved my organic search traffic? Right? Am I getting more and better search traffic than I was a year ago? If you’re? If you’re a management consulting agency, like Trust Insights, have you solved problems and taken things off my to do list, right? Have you taken more off my to do list and you’ve put on it, that’s a really easy one.

    Where agencies run into trouble, is not delivering on those things, is not focusing on what the customer wants, the customer wants better, faster and cheaper.

    And if you as an agency are not delivering better or faster or cheaper, you’re not going to keep the client, right? If you are making the client’s life harder, if you are just spending money, if you are not showing any value not showing any return on investment, you’re gonna make the CMO really unhappy.

    So if you were hiring agency, what would you want from them, you hire an agency really for one of two reasons.

    There’s knowledge that they have that you don’t, that you need their expertise for.

    Or you’re hiring hired guns, you know, butts in seats, or hands on keyboards, because you just don’t have enough, right? In those two scenarios.

    If you have the knowledge, as an agency, if you have the specialized knowledge, you’re sure that you should be delivering certainly better performance, perhaps faster, maybe cheaper, maybe not.

    But you should be delivering on better.

    If you are selling hands selling butts and seats, you should be doing a little bit better, we should be doing a lot faster, and maybe cheaper.

    When a CMO is weighing whether to spend this 100 grand on two hires, or one agency, the two hires are going to be cheaper, just generally speaking, hires are almost always cheaper than an agency.

    So as an agency, you’ve got to deliver on better and faster all the time.

    That’s what a CMO wants to see.

    That’s what anybody wants to see from the agency.

    What have you done for me lately? It’s a truism.

    You know, you are only as good as your last win.

    Whatever it is, whether it was a campaign that went well, whether it was a insightful analysis, whether it was a big placement in a TV show, or a newspaper or whatever, you’re only as good as your last one.

    And if you haven’t had a good win recently, you’re in trouble.

    So that’s what the CMO wants to see.

    Now, how do you do that? That’s a whole other topic.

    But that’s what every stakeholder wants to see better, faster, cheaper.

    How we deliver on that is, what makes or breaks whether we keep the client or not.

    Good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Generational Word of Mouth Differences?

    You Ask, I Answer: Generational Word of Mouth Differences?

    Dave asks, “Have you found any generational differences in the amount of word of mouth happening?”

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    In today’s episode, Dave asks, Have you found any generational differences in the amount of word of mouth happening in short now.

    Now people talk about things that they like the catch their attention, regardless of age, or gender, or demographic or geographical location or any of those things.

    If something’s cool, people talk about it.

    People shared people distributed people promoted.

    What has changed are the channels where people talk about these things.

    50 years ago, it was literally around the watercooler right, or maybe in the newspaper 25 years ago, it was by email, right email and endless, endless forwards.

    People forwarding hitting reply all on everything all the time, the bad old days.

    10 years ago, it was on Facebook, today, a whole bunch of new channels where people are spreading word of mouth.

    Everything from places like next door to you know old school places like Facebook, they are still people technically on MySpace Tiktok, Discord, Slack, you name it.

    What has changed is the number of channels available to people.

    And the speed at which word of mouth spreads, you know, a group chat or group text, you’re talking about word spreading instantly.

    When you talk about things like a discord community or a Slack community, you’re talking about scaling word of mouth, to a large group of people behind closed doors where marketers can’t see.

    But the word of mouth is 100% happening.

    So the generational differences to the extent that there are is really about the channel, the channel of communication, how people prefer to spread the word.

    But the underlying fundamentals have not changed, you have to have something worth talking about.

    Right word of mouth will not spread if there’s nothing to spread, if your product is exactly the same as a competitor and maybe 2%, cheaper, who cares? If your product is working with one company, their product was twice the price and half the quality of the newest competitor.

    And it was always an ongoing struggle to explain to the stakeholders like why why people weren’t talking about the product in a positive light? Well, because it was twice the price and half the half the quality of the company was to competitor.

    The challenge, the big challenge is that what constitutes word of mouth, that bar has gotten a little bit higher, not necessarily in the product itself.

    But in the ability for one person to get another person’s attention about something, we are living in a media landscape that is so pervasive, that is so attention hungry, that everybody wants us talking about something everybody’s asking us to share to spread the word to promote.

    And when everybody’s doing it, it gets really noisy.

    So to stand out to have word of mouth be effective, you have to be substantially better than the other things that occupy word of mouth.

    Right? You have to be better than the content on Disney plus, you have to be better than the sports team that’s playing, you have to be better than the politicians that pissed you off last week.

    And that’s a tall bar.

    Because those other things.

    Those other things consume a lot of attention.

    Attention is the scarcest thing we have, right? I’m thankful that you’re just watching this video at all right? Because you’re giving me attention when you could be giving it to, I don’t know, you know, some politician ranting about something.

    We have to figure out how to continue to earn attention and hold on to it.

    So if you’re looking at your data, and you’re seeing generational differences, what you really are probably seeing is channel differences, which means that you should do some attribution modeling and figure out where does your attention to come from? And how aggressively are you pursuing getting more of it on the channels that are working without You know, when I look at my data, there isn’t a single channel that is standing out heads and shoulders above all the rest saying this is the channel of beyond except email.

    Christopher Penn 5:13

    email is the one channel that I have now, maybe I’m just a bad marketer.

    But email is the one channel that consistently delivers very high rates of attention.

    Everything else, attention seems to be very, very ephemeral, even, you know, the private Slack community and stuff.

    getting people’s attention on a regular consistent basis can be challenging, because there’s so much else competing for our attention, so much else competing for the recommendations we make.

    The other thing that, again, is not generational, but is a content thing is that we have to remind people to share stuff, we have to ask people for word of mouth, relying on it alone, without that encouragement is really, it’s not a winning strategy.

    Right? You’ve got to be able to ask people say, Hey, if you liked this, please tell a friend about it.

    If you liked this newsletter, you liked this YouTube video.

    Please tell a friend about tell two friends about it.

    And not a lot of marketers do that.

    Well.

    A lot of marketers forget to do it entirely myself included.

    My My hand is my hand is up in that batch of people forget to ask for word of mouth.

    But if you don’t ask you don’t receive.

    So that would be my perspective that is not generation or age it is channel and we’ve got to make things easier to spread.

    We’ve got to make things easier for word of mouth to happen.

    We don’t do that right now.

    So really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Automation In a Recession?

    You Ask, I Answer: Automation In a Recession?

    Ann asks, “In the “great recession” is finding ways to automate process and free up time find efficiencies the biggest challenge for agency managers and leads?”

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    In today’s episode and asks in the Great Recession is finding ways to automate processes and free up time finding efficiencies, the biggest challenge for emergency managers and leads? Well, the great recession technically was 2008 to 2011.

    But I assume you mean, the impending recession that a lot of people are talking about? It depends, it depends on what’s wrong.

    If you are a small shop that’s already lean and mean, automation might not be a huge game changer for you, it might not be a big change in your efficiency.

    On the other hand, it might be if you are an incredibly inefficient agency, right? If you’re doing everything by hand, the answer will always vary based on where you are, where you where your strengths and weaknesses are.

    That said, larger organizations tend to have more opportunity for efficiencies, tend to have more opportunity for process documentation for improvement for automation.

    At the last agency I worked at which was a decently sized agency like 300 people, by the time I left, there were 100% jobs, entire jobs that could have been replaced.

    One of the most junior Jobs was account coordinator.

    Remember this, this person was copying and pasting, Google search results into a spreadsheet, eight hours a day, I don’t know how this person didn’t just claw their own eyeballs out or bring a pickaxe to work, because that’s just soul deadening.

    Work.

    And 100% can be done by machine, right, you could free up that person’s eight hours a day to have them doing something more valuable than copying and pasting.

    If your agency doesn’t have any automation, right now, there’s a very good chance, there are some opportunities, some easy things you can do to find those efficiencies.

    But as with everything there are, there are diminishing returns, right after you’ve automated way all the easy stuff.

    The next most difficult things tend to be more time consuming to automate, it takes longer to automate things, it takes more skill, better tools to do that kind of automation.

    So copy pasting chores, right, you can automate that today.

    And that would see a huge, huge win a huge time saver.

    Transcription of meetings.

    Easy one, right? Transcription of client calls super easy.

    Automating the templates for your reporting, putting them in something like Google Data Studio, where it’s not only automated, but it is real time.

    So the clients happier, easy win.

    But then once you’ve solved all these stuff, then you have to start saying okay, what is the opportunity cost of automating something versus some innovation, some r&d, or some new business building? It all depends, it depends on your challenges as an agency.

    That said, if you know you’re going into a recession, if you know that a recession is imminent, freeing up time is a good idea.

    And then taking that time and devoting it to the generation of new business to sales to selling more stuff is the way through, because in almost every economic downturn, the same advice holds true.

    Whether it’s, you know, the 1800s or whether it’s today, cash is king, cash flow is king.

    If you have more money coming in, then you have going out, you’re doing okay, if you have less money coming in and is going out, you are inevitably eventually doomed, right? It may not be today, it may not be next week, but eventually, you’re going out of business.

    So if you can find ways to reduce wasteful overhead to keep the amount of money going out smaller, and you can find ways of bringing in more money in the door on a cash flow basis.

    You will, you will weather the recession better than most right.

    Where recessions get people is always when you flip the table and suddenly you have less cash coming in.

    You have less less cash coming in.

    And you have not done a good enough job optimizing the cash going out and your business runs into trouble.

    You personally run into trouble right? If you’re spending more than you’re earning as a person as a household as a company.

    Christopher Penn 4:58

    Eventually you run out of runway eventually you run out of room.

    And that’s when that’s when the real problems begin.

    So, if you can tighten up, find those efficiencies, reduce your spends, and increase your revenues.

    You’ll be well positioned for the Great Recession and automation may well be part of that.

    But do some self awareness, do some checks to figure out where you are, and what you think the things are that you could automate away fairly easily.

    There will be a few things, do those sooner rather than later? And then really take a hard look at your cash flow.

    Good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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