Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • Mind Readings: Automation is not AI

    Mind Readings: Automation is not AI

    AI can be a part of automation, but automation is not necessarily AI. Don’t confuse the two. AI is when machines are learning on their own from the data we give them.

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    Christopher Penn 0:15

    In this episode of mine readings, some clarification, Allah lot of people seem to be mixing up automation and AI.

    Automation is getting machine to do a existing process automatically.

    Hence automation.

    Artificial Intelligence is getting machines to replicate human intelligence skills such as vision or natural language processing or, you know, specific types of mathematics like regression analysis, the two are not the same thing.

    Even though particularly in like mainstream news sources, the two kinds of get conflated, they kind of get mixed together that they’re not the same thing.

    Automation is any type of repeatable process, right, that’s the heart of automation.

    You can create some amazing automation with zero, artificial intelligence, right for the last 40 or 50 years, we’ve had computers, turning automation, doing crazy good stuff to make our lives easier, right.

    And Excel spreadsheet is automation.

    And it is incredibly good at what it does and makes our lives easier.

    It makes making our show budget sir, correct a whole lot easier.

    It has improved business.

    A car is a form of automation, right? It is the the systems in place in a car can help automate the process of transportation, going from walking everywhere, right, or running or riding a horse to a mechanical substitute that delivers a repeatable result.

    That’s automation.

    We have had automation in every industry, go to a car manufacturer and look at the assembly line even go to like I was in.

    Gosh, where was that? Fort Wayne, Indiana company called Sacklers pickles, old old school manufacturing company.

    They make pickles a lot of different flavors of pickles like 70, some odd flavors of pickles.

    There’s the assembly line.

    And there’s there’s people packing pickles in the in each jar, there’s this one woman who sets the underlines, pushes the last pickle in the jar before the jar gets sealed and stuff like that.

    I don’t know if that there’s still that was a long time ago that that might have been fully made robotic now.

    But that’s automation, right and assembly line, a conveyor belt that’s automation making a task, run by machine instead of by a human.

    AI is about giving machines and large amounts of data of some kind and saying, analyze this, categorize this or create more of this.

    What separates AI, from regular automation is the learning part.

    That’s why a lot of folks in the field use the term machine learning rather than AI because machine learning is explicit in saying there has to be a machine that is learning on its own, from the information it’s given.

    That’s what separates out your spreadsheet from a machine learning tool, right your spreadsheet.

    When you’re using it, you are doing the work you are doing the thinking the spreadsheets making it easier.

    When you’re talking about machine learning it is doing the learning it is doing the thing again, you may have some automated portions of that, but the human portions of that but for the most part, the machine is learning from the data and writing its own code.

    That is what separates machine learning from regular automation.

    The machines have to be learning from some data in order for it to be machine learning.

    So why does this matter? Why do we care? Well, part of it is because we want to make sure we’re using the right terminology, particularly if we’re dealing with vendors, or trying to build a strategy or some kind of business strategy or marketing strategy.

    We need to know the difference between these two things.

    But the bigger picture perspective is it helps us understand what kind of problem each area solves.

    Automation solves the issue of having repeatable processes, right? If you’ve got a process that a human does, it’s gonna have more variability in it, because that’s human nature, right? The last pickle you push in is not going to necessarily be exactly the same in every single jar.

    The next burger off the line.

    When a human’s cooking it may not be the same as the previous one.

    When you automate, you get the repeated process this is the next burger should look exactly the same as the last burger should look exactly the same as a burger from Don’t you know 1000 Burgers ago, they should all look exactly the same in automation.

    And so if we have a problem that requires a repeated process with a repeated outcome, we need automation.

    Christopher Penn 5:12

    If we have a problem where there’s so much data that we can’t learn from it enough in a timely enough fashion, that is an AI problem, right? So if you’re dealing with something that fits in a spreadsheet, it’s probably not an AI problem, because let’s face it, that’s not a whole lot of data.

    And you can use regular tools, regular automation tools to probably get the answers you’re looking for.

    If on the other hand, you have so much data, that there’s no reasonable way that you could process the data and get a result.

    That’s a candidate for machine learning when the machine can learn from it instead, say you want to summarize 70,000 articles in the next hour, guess what ain’t happening? Doesn’t matter how fast or reader you are? Yes, it’s not it’s not happening by you.

    But that is 100%.

    Something that would be appropriate for machine learning machine learning tasks.

    So which one you choose depends on the kind of problem you have be very clear about what kind of problem you have.

    Do you have a problem that just needs a repeatable process with a predictable outcome? That’s automation? Do you have a problem that you have too much data and not enough resources of time to trawl through it? That’s a machine learning problem.

    That’s the importance of this.

    So if you got questions about automation and AI, let me know.

    Love to hear from you in the comments.

    Otherwise, thanks for tuning in.

    I’ll talk to you next time.

    Take care.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Ad Spend Lost to Fraud?

    You Ask, I Answer: Ad Spend Lost to Fraud?

    Andrew asks, “Digital ad spend dwarfs PR spend globally – yet how much of that digital ad spend is being lost to fraud, etc?”

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    Christopher Penn 0:13

    In this episode, Andrew asks, digital ad spend dwarfs PR spend globally get how much of that digital ad spend is being lost to fraud, etc? There’s a few different answers here.

    But the answers are all directionally the same a lot, a lot of it.

    So first thing we have to figure out is what constitutes ad spend waste, right? What constitutes ineffective use of digital ad spend? There are the obvious things like, Oh, you showed a bunch of ads to people who are unqualified buyers, right, your targeting was off, etc.

    And there was no reason to send, you know, people to an ad to that ad.

    If you’re selling, you know, left handed Smoke Shifters and you’ve targeted an audience.

    It’s predominantly right handed, you’ve kind of wasted your money.

    That’s not fraud, but it is definitely just not helpful, right? It’s kind of useless.

    In 2019, Augustine fool who is a researcher who does a lot of stuff in the digital ad space, identified that about 70% of ad spend is fraudulent.

    The specifics are fake users, bots, fake profiles, malware, injection of stuff, spoofing, ad stalking, attack, manipulation, all sorts of stuff, essentially, whatever a malicious actors can do, to get an ad to count as shown, which would then trigger the spend, without ever actually delivering any performance.

    Now he identifies an additional 10 percenters outright blocked, which to me feels a little low.

    We know that about 30 ish percent of Internet users have some form of ad blocker on.

    And so like I said, I feel that that number is a little on the low side.

    But of course, if you go by that, then 70% of ads are fraudulent 30% of block, then you have 0%.

    Which, when you look at your ad performance, that’s not entirely on unreasonable, right.

    Think about that.

    What percentage of ad spend results in a sale? Not a lead, but a sale? And does it pay for itself? This is a question that a lot of us have to tackle on a regular and frequent basis.

    I’m selling a Google Analytics course right now.

    But at trust insights.ai/ga, Google Analytics, GA, for course.

    I’m selling this question of running ads, I’m running Google ads for it.

    And I’m spending about 100 bucks a week on ads.

    And I’m running until essentially I’ve gotten 30 days, or the the price of two courses, because of course sells for 497.

    So given those two things, how many have I sold through ads? So far? I’ve been running ads for about 25 days, I’ll take the guess.

    Hmm.

    Zero of spend money.

    My targeting is pretty good.

    I’ve loaded my personal mailing list into it.

    So it’s not like it’s being shown just randos and I’ve got a decent daily ad spend.

    I’ve got a decent budget for creatives.

    Okay, it’s not great.

    It’s not like mind blowing ly good creative.

    It’s basically me talking about the course.

    No sales.

    Right.

    Now, again, think about that.

    Right.

    My mailing list about my course.

    With me is the ad creative should sell at least one right? When I look at sales from directly from the mailing list not from ads being run now targeting the mountains database, but directly from the mailing self assault about $11,000 with the courses, right? So the list is right, the targeting is right.

    Right.

    The audiences right? If you bought the course, thank you.

    The ads to that same audience run simultaneously with email campaigns, no results.

    We do work with a bunch of clients where they are running a bunch of ads and the conversion rate to a sale like round one ish percent and a lot of cases.

    So that raises the legitimate question is in fact ah 100% of our ad budget being wasted.

    Right? It’s certainly above 50%.

    Christopher Penn 5:08

    And so that’s a valid question.

    How much is being lost for fraud? The one of the figures given is approximately 70%.

    Which makes you wonder, is it really worth it? Right? Give some thought to this.

    Some thought to this math.

    In what other industry? Would a 1% success rate be? Okay.

    Right.

    If you are in Major League Baseball, is a 1% batting rate acceptable? Oh, yeah, I get kicked off that the only make the team you will not even make any major league team with a batting rate that low right.

    20% is what they’re looking for.

    I think, Babe Ruth was like 33%, lifetime.

    1%? No.

    Think about medicine.

    Think about surgery, would you want to go to a physician, a surgeon whose survival rate was 1%? Right? I mean, you’re at that point, you’re better off doing it yourself.

    If you are buying food, and only 1% of food you buy is not rotted, would you shop at that grocery store? New? Definitely not.

    And yet, in digital advertising, we think 1% is awesome.

    Like, yeah, I got a 1% response rate to that ad.

    So put another way, you fail at 99% of your time.

    Right? So the question is, is it worth it? Think about how much money you spend on ads? What else could you use that money for? That was still marketing.

    There was still marketing, but might be a better use of that funding? Could you use influencers and brand building instead? Could you hire a public relations firm could for as long as it’s a good one? Could you just go out and bribe people like, Hey, I’m gonna give you a $10 coupon to try our service, which is effectively what it is.

    Could you fly a plane, buy a plane, fly a plane and just AirDrop leaflets all over a city? The question we have to ask ourselves is, what is the biggest bang for our buck? Or the currency of your choice? Are you being as efficient as possible with your spin, because as we head into even more uncertain economic conditions, because we don’t know what’s gonna happen, being a little bit more parsimonious, with our budgets being a little more careful about what actually works.

    That is sound policy.

    That is sound strategy right now.

    So if you’re seeing 1% success rates in a channel, and and you have the data is good.

    And then you see like 20% success rate in a different channel, it is foolhardy to keep shoveling money into the 1% channel.

    Instead shovel into this 20% channel or whatever your highest converting channel is until you see diminishing returns.

    So that’s how much is estimated because we don’t know estimate being lost in digital ad fraud, a lot of money, a lot of it.

    Do your homework.

    Do you do the math about what’s most effective for your business and then double down on the things that are working? Really good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: GA4 Impact on Attribution Analysis?

    You Ask, I Answer: GA4 Impact on Attribution Analysis?

    Andrew asks, “What impact will GA4 have on attribution analysis – specifically in relation to PR’s role in attribution models.”

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    Christopher Penn 0:13

    In today’s episode, Andrew asks, What impact will Google Analytics 4 have on attribution analysis, specifically in relation to public relations role in attribution models? Well, there’s two different questions here, sort of rolled into one.

    First attribution analysis itself had Google Analytics is actually pretty robust.

    Once Google rolled out its attribution models, which are confusingly labeled under the advertising section in GA four in the left hand menu.

    Why they did that.

    The built in attribution models are actually pretty good.

    But the one this, there’s two to pay attention to one is the cross channel data driven model, which is Google’s what they call the time to event data driven model in their academic paper that looks at sort of the additive effects of different touchpoints.

    Within the customer journey, it’s a pretty good model, it gives you a very good sense of here’s what’s working at each level of the customer journey.

    And, like I said, it’s really good.

    It’s a, it’s a good model for online for the Clickstream, where the model starts to run into issues is dealing with offline, or dealing with when the Clickstream is broken.

    So an example of what the Clickstream is broken, is you’re on your phone, and you’re surfing, and you’re reading and stuff like that.

    And you see something interesting, maybe you see a cool Instagram post and like, oh, go to your laptop, and you resume there.

    You’ve broken the Clickstream.

    And while the consumer has broken the Clickstream, because this and the laptop, the sessions are seen as different.

    Now, Google has done some work as have many ad companies to try and unify that.

    But the issue is, from a marketing perspective, a lot of very good privacy tools prevent us from unifying those sessions of seeing if that’s the same person.

    So Google Analytics 4 really doesn’t do any better or worse than its predecessors or its competitors.

    When it comes to when the Clickstream gets broken, that especially is for offline, say, you’re reading an article, and you have a conversation with your significant other.

    And they tell you to check out this cool thing, and you go into Google and stuff.

    Organic Search gets credit for that interaction, but it really was word of mouth.

    Right? And then, you know, maybe your significant other saw a news article of some kind, or a post from an influencer? Public relations should get credit for that.

    But because it’s invisible, because it’s not connected to the Clickstream.

    It doesn’t.

    So what’s built into Google Analytics 4 is an improvement on the existing modeling for clickstream events is not any better for broken click streams, offline stuff, or brand.

    So you may say, Well, that’s problematic.

    How do we fix that? Well, you can’t fix it in Google Analytics 4 itself, there’s no facility built in for doing more complex attribution models that can take into account some offline effects.

    But there are ways to do modeling of that to look at all of your data and build more sophisticated statistical or machine learning models that can do attribution, saying, Hey, this looks like it has a correlation to the target outcome.

    And so, you know, run some causality test to see if that is in fact, causative or not.

    Again, that’s not something that’s built in.

    It’s not built into any web analytics platform.

    There are no platforms on the market today that can do this.

    Google’s data is probably the closest thing to get to.

    And one of the things you want to calibrate on from a measurement perspective is branded organic search, branded organic searches.

    When somebody searches for you or your company or products or services by name, you can see the data right within Google Search Console.

    That is one of the best measures of public relations effectiveness.

    Because if no one’s searching for you by name, right, if nobody knows who you are, or your products or your services, your public relations isn’t working.

    Right.

    Your brand building isn’t working, you’ve got no brand.

    If on the other hand, people are looking for, you know, Trust Insights, or Christopher Penn by name, and me, not the deceased actor.

    And I’ve got a brand My brand is working, and if my public relations efforts are behind that, that I contribute at least some of that to public relations.

    How do you do that?

    Christopher Penn 5:06

    Again, same technology, the same statistical models that they’re basically multiple regression models.

    The specific algorithm that a lot of people had a very good success with success with is called x g boost.

    You do need to have some machine learning experience to it to make it work.

    But it is one of the many approaches people are taking to a more sophisticated way of doing that kind of attribution analysis.

    And it’s not foolproof, it’s not flawless.

    It’s not perfect.

    But it is directionally accurate.

    And will tell you that, yes, in general, your public relations efforts are or are not having the impact that you want.

    So Google Analytics 4, in general, will give you better starting data to work with, especially if you’re combining it with Google Search Console data.

    And after that, you have to build your own attribution model.

    So really good question.

    Very complicated question.

    There’s a lot of math, a lot of math in here.

    But if you get it right, you absolutely can value, the impact of public relations.

    The reason why most companies don’t, it’s expensive to do this, right? It is expensive to build these models.

    It is time consuming.

    You have to ingest a lot of data, you have to do a lot of data science.

    And most companies are not willing to invest the money in salaries or contractors, whatever to do that because they would rather just kind of hope that public relations works and be the first to cut their budgets when things turn south instead of figuring out what actually works from a data driven perspective.

    So good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: TikTok and Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: TikTok and Content Marketing?

    Ann asks, “How does TikTok indirectly or directly affect content marketing?”

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    In today’s episode and asks, How does Tiktok directly or indirectly affects content marketing? Well, let’s start with the obvious.

    If you create content, it can go on Tiktok.

    Right? It’s a distribution channel.

    That’s pretty straightforward answer.

    And so if you’re creating content that is helpful to people provide some value, maybe it’s entertainment, maybe it’s education, whatever, and you’re posting on Tiktok, it’s going to do well, right? If you can create a community, if you can feed that community with your content, it’ll do well.

    But here’s the twist, especially with services like Tiktok.

    And this goes for Instagram, too, that goes for Facebook, etc.

    Because really any major social network social networks are used by many people as search engines.

    Right? That’s not their stated intent.

    That’s not what they’re designed for.

    But it doesn’t stop people from using them as search engines from discovering stuff, learning stuff, and then running with it.

    I was on.

    Oh, gosh, Instagram the other day.

    And I was watching this one video.

    And somebody mentioned this piece of software like, oh, cool, I’ll go try that.

    It was a discovery engine.

    Right, another time I was looking for somebody on LinkedIn.

    And LinkedIn is essentially a search engine for people.

    Right? Think about that LinkedIn is a search engine for people.

    There’s plenty content of it to be searched for as well.

    But a lot of times you’re finding people same is true for tick tock, tick, tock is a search engine for short form ideas.

    Right, if you can find somebody who’s talking about the thing that you’re interested in the topic you’re interested in, they’re creating great videos that have a lot of value.

    It’s a search engine.

    And you can then obviously, optimize your content that you put on Tiktok for search, learning how to use hashtags, learning how to appropriately use captions, all those things, to help the Tiktok algorithm surface your stuff to people who are searching for the thing I did, one of the most popular videos I’ve ever done on Tiktok was on stuff around Ukraine, and it’s finding the right community sharing it with him, then people find it people find you, and then share your stuff and promote it, etc, etc.

    It’s no different than any other social network.

    So how does search indirectly or directly affect your content marketing? That is the answer for how Tiktok does it? How does social media affect your content marketing? That is the answer for Tiktok as well.

    There’s nothing about Tiktok that is so revolutionary, and so new and incomprehensible, that if you’ve already got some experience with social media marketing, you can figure out Tiktok pretty clearly and pretty pretty quickly, will you necessarily be great at it at its unique formats, you know, anywhere from 30 seconds to 10 minute videos, maybe you are maybe you aren’t, maybe use the right filters or whatever.

    But fundamentally, if you are accustomed to delivering value to the audience in some type of short form video, then your content marketing on Tiktok will do very well.

    And if you understand how people search for things, how people discover things, if you do great market research on your audience, you will find ways to leverage those learnings on Tiktok.

    Right? It could be collabs and duets, for example, if you know that there’s a certain influence you want to get in front of you can spin up a duet or resharing and re mixing stuff.

    There’s no shortage of stuff.

    Same is true for Snapchat Snapchats still exists that’s actually very popular in certain parts of the world.

    And there still are things that that directly and indirectly affect your content marketing that way.

    So there’s a lot of opportunity out there, the challenge for all of us is to figure out where our audience is, what they’re interested in at those times, and then how they buy, right, if we’re talking about marketing, figuring out how somebody buys is the most valuable activity that you can do because it helps you understand the customer journey, and then optimize your marketing for it.

    If you run into a channel like Tiktok, for example, and you start creating stuff, without understanding how people buy in your space, you could be wasting an awful lot of time and money because that may not be how people buy a may not even be people discover awareness of a certain product or service.

    They may not use the platform for that.

    So you’ve got to do that market research up front so that you can provide value when and where people want it.

    That is the challenge before you.

    So that’s how Tiktok effects content marketing.

    It’s all about a distribution channel.

    and understanding how people use social media and then conforming your marketing to where the audience is thanks for tuning in I’ll talk to you soon if you’d like this video go ahead and hit that subscribe button

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Brands and Social Media Presence?

    You Ask, I Answer: Brands and Social Media Presence?

    Ann asks, “Should brands still be on social media?”

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    Christopher Penn 0:13

    In today’s episode, Ann asks, Should brands still be on social media? Yeah.

    That could be the video.

    Yes, absolutely.

    brands should still be on social media brands should be participating in social media and trying to find ways to provide value.

    Now, here’s where it gets interesting.

    What is social media? This is something that companies get wrong a lot.

    When I ask, you will name some social media channels.

    People rattle off the usual suspects, Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, Tiktok, Twitter, Pinterest, et cetera, right? The mainstream big tech, social media channels, and there’s nothing one of the most are indeed social media.

    But social media is defined, a social network is defined by the use of the network effect, which is something that Robert Metcalf, the inventor of Ethernet, coined in like 1979.

    Essentially, the value of a network is proportional to the number of nodes in the network squared.

    That’s that’s Metcalfe’s law.

    Think about it.

    If you have a telephone, right? And your telephone is the only one in the world.

    What good is it? Forget the smartphone part, just just a phone.

    It’s your the got the only phone in the world? What good is it? It’s not very useful.

    Now, the moment that one other person gets a phone, okay, now it has an actual function, right? You can call that person.

    And every time you add a new telephone to that network, the network overall gets more valuable.

    Even people who already have a phone get more value, when a new phone becomes a part of the network, because there’s yet another person to call, right.

    So social networks function the exact same way.

    Think about, let’s use Twitter as an example, if there was only you on Twitter and nobody else, what good is it? It’s not, you’re literally screaming into the void, right? Only as more people join Twitter, or Facebook or Tiktok, or whatever.

    Do you create value for everybody? Because there’s more interaction, more content and more opportunities for conversation? Why does this matter? Because what we call social media is only a tiny subset of what is actually social media.

    Any place where users are the content, user generated content.

    And interaction is the content is a social network is social media.

    So that means things like GitHub, the developer site, where developers can check in and check out code work on each of those projects and things like that is a social network that has social media 100%.

    Think about discord and slack.

    These are apps that let people set up servers, private communities that get people get to interact with and have conversations that is social media.

    Think about Tinder.

    Tinder is social media.

    Right.

    Again, it follows Metcalfe’s law, if you were the only person on Tinder, it would have no value.

    Right? Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange.

    These are developer q&a sites.

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    Like 99% of developers at least good ones.

    I routinely copying and pasting content from GitHub from Stack Overflow, because why reinvent the wheel answering people’s questions and things like that? The internal bulletin board, email, email itself is a social network, right? Think about that.

    give that some thought email is the OG social network.

    YouTube is a social network.

    Right? Without if there was only you on YouTube, it would have no value.

    Right? As you are there and other people there, it gains value twitch.

    The gaming thing is a social network, Amazon itself that electronic shopping portal is a social network.

    Pornhub is a social network, right? It’s an a social network for adult content.

    All of these things are social networks.

    So going back to ask question, Should brands be on social media? Yes.

    Should brands necessarily be on Facebook? Not necessarily, or LinkedIn or any of the mainstream tech? Social networks? Not necessarily.

    But that doesn’t mean that there isn’t a social network that follows Metcalf’s rules somewhere out there, where your customers are, and that is the opportunity for you to interact with them and probably get better results because you are finding a context that is appropriate for your brand, your product your service your industry within a dedicated social network for it, right that’s one of the reasons why services like discord and slacker just blowing up and have been for three or four years now, when you can start up a Discord server that is specifically focused just on left hand people who powerwash right as so focused is such a focus community that if you were selling power washers you would 100% want to be in that community.

    probably also want to make sure that your employees who participate are left handed.

    But it means that you can find a social network that fits your brand that fits the value you can offer.

    The value you can create by contributing and in return exchange some value and get some business out of it.

    Do not make the mistake of thinking that you know Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram, Pinterest, etc.

    That that is the only thing that is social media.

    It isn’t social media is hundreds, if not 1000s of different types of websites, different communities, where you can find your crowd and make them deliriously happy that they have found you.

    So really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Content Marketing Management Mistakes?

    You Ask, I Answer: Content Marketing Management Mistakes?

    Ann asks, “Name one or two mistakes people make while managing a content marketing team?”

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    In this episode and asks, name one or two mistakes people make while managing a content marketing team.

    It depends on whether we’re talking about content marketing specifically, or just talk about managing specifically, because there’s so many mistakes, you can make managing, micromanaging, failing to manage appropriately not setting goals, not checking in with people not providing support, not paying them equitably.

    There’s any number of ways that you could badly manage any given team.

    But in the context of content marketing, specifically, there are three major areas where things are going to go wrong, right? Number one is not having good processes in place.

    And if you are just having people winging it, it’s going to get very frustrating, and you’re not going to deliver your best product.

    That’s pretty straightforward.

    Number two, is in choosing your content, marketing format, and platform, choosing badly, choosing badly choosing platforms where your audience is not choosing to distribute content in a way that makes it difficult for people for people to access your content, choosing platforms that are difficult for your team to work with, right? Yeah, you may have all these requirements for your internal business processes.

    But if your people hate working with that system, you’re really handicapping yourself.

    But the biggest mistake of all, is having a content marketing strategy and plan that does not leverage people properly.

    What do we mean by this? Number one, is, if you have no idea what talents your team has ain’t just kind of throw content marketing plans out there, you’re gonna get less than their best work, because everybody has different aptitudes, right.

    Some people like to talk.

    So people like to write, so people to draw or paint or compose music, or dance or whatever, there’s, people have all forms of different self expression.

    And if your content marketing management does not take into account all the different ways that people can be creative, you are handicapping those people in terms of their ability to create work that they enjoy doing, because of self expression.

    So is good.

    And more importantly, the quality of work you’re going to get out of them is not going to be as good.

    It’s it’s going to be mediocre.

    Because taking somebody who is naturally a visual person, and making them write a 1500 word blog post is a recipe for failure.

    Can they do it? Yes.

    Is going to be as good as it could be? No.

    Right? It’s like taking somebody who is a world class Japanese chef and putting them in a bakery.

    Are they going to be able to bake things? Yes.

    Because they’re they’re superbly talented professionals in general.

    But are you leveraging their talents for what they’re best at? No.

    Right? Having someone who can make amazing teppanyaki or sushi, cranking out croissant.

    It’s just a mismatch.

    And that’s something that I see happen a lot in content marketing people are people are creating content marketing strategies and plans without taking into account what their team is good at.

    They may not even know what they are good at.

    So another key part of this is doing that skills assessment, doing a skills assessment regularly, and understanding what the aptitudes of the people are that work on your content marketing team.

    And then as projects and products come up, you figuring out how do you leverage all these different disparate talents because everyone has some form of self expression.

    Sometimes, someone’s self expression just may not be a good fit for your content marketing strategy, right? Maybe somebody is a really, really good sort of 360 degree video maker like this superbly good at that.

    They can make very compelling virtual reality content.

    And your content strategy does not call for virtual reality, and it’s not a good fit for your products or services.

    That doesn’t, you haven’t figured out how to unlock that value for your audience.

    Having that person using their talents would be a mismatch for what your content marketing strategy is trying to accomplish.

    And so that’s an example where you might not have the right people, right, you want to have the people who can generate the output you want in the format’s you want working for you and making sure they’re compensated appropriately so that they’re doing their very best work.

    Right.

    I’m free Be good at writing,

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    I really enjoy doing video.

    So as you can see, I do a lot of video.

    And at Trust Insights this year, I have had more fun making content than I ever have before.

    Because we’re doing a lot of courses, right we have a new Google Analytics course go to trust insights.ai/ga for course, it was like five and a half hours of video and I get to play around in Premiere and doing my editing and transitions and all this fun stuff.

    It’s fun, is leveraging an aptitude that I have.

    And so if I had a manager who was saying, Well, no, that’s, that’s great that you can do video, but we’re really trying to create just written word, I wouldn’t be as happy.

    Could I still create good content? Yes.

    Would it provide value to the audience? Yes.

    Is it what I love doing? Not as much.

    So when it comes to managing a content marketing team, know what skills your people have, and know what your strategy is, and make sure that your strategy is aligned to your people, it is much easier to change your strategy to match your people than it is to try and force your people to match your strategy.

    You can change strategies but not written in stone, right? They are not delivered on high for tablets from a deity of some kind.

    Yeah, made it up.

    You made it up.

    And so you can change it just as easily.

    Put your people skills first, put your audience’s value second, and then put your corporate business goals third, they do things in that order.

    You’re going to create great content that people love to make that will give value to the audience and will still achieve your goals, your marketing goals.

    So really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Content Awareness vs Consumption?

    You Ask, I Answer: Content Awareness vs Consumption?

    Ann asks, “Does it matter if people consume the content or is it enough for them to notice it?”

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    In this episode and asks, Does it matter if people consume content? Or is it enough for them to simply notice it? I struggled with this question because my first gut instinct was, of course, they need to consume it if they don’t, what was the point? Right, because the whole point of content is to give value to the consumer of the content.

    But it depends, I think it depends on the kind of content it is, knowing that exists, might be enough, in certain rare circumstances, you know, knowing that your favorite musician released a piece of content, a new song, might be enough for you to pay attention, for marketing, for what we do in marketing, I think it’s essential that people consume it because the point of content marketing is to provide value to somebody provide value to your audience.

    And if nobody consumes it, if they just know it’s there, they’re not really getting any value out of it.

    Imagine this video that you’re watching right now.

    And you saw the little thumbnail on YouTube, you clicked on it, and maybe you saw it in the newsletter, whatever.

    How much value would this video be? If you just saw the thumbnail, right? If you didn’t actually watch it or listen to it, I can’t think that it would have a whole lot of value to you, if you were just seeing it float by, right.

    It really is about the consumption of the content.

    That doesn’t necessarily mean that you have to study it deeply.

    It doesn’t mean you have to, you know, pour over that content for hours at a time.

    But it does mean you should get some value out of that kind of content.

    And if you don’t, I’m not sure what good it did.

    Part of content marketing, if you do it well, is changing perception, right? From building brand awareness to persuasion, getting people to enter that you mentally in their consideration set when they’re it’s time to buy being part of the evaluation and ultimately purchase.

    If the content doesn’t fulfill any of those functions, because people aren’t consuming it, it’s probably not all that good.

    It’s probably not all that helpful.

    So I would say yes, it very much matters most of the time for someone to actually consume the content that is being presented to them in order for them to get value out of it.

    Now, here’s the twist.

    If your content is so low value, and so empty and so selfish, that it doesn’t actually provide value to the audience.

    It’s probably okay for your audience to just notice it, right? Because consuming is just going to waste their time.

    They’re getting nothing out of it except a really long and uninteresting ad.

    But that’s a strategic failure on the part of the person making the terrible content, right? Good content, yes, needs to be consumed to unlock its value, bad content.

    You don’t need to consume it because it has no value to begin with.

    Right? So it’s not going to it’s not going to move the needle anyway.

    It’s just a waste of people’s time.

    So how good is your content? How much value does your content provide? That is the answer to this question.

    But whether it’s enough for people to see it or whether they actually need to consume it, good content needs to be consumed.

    Good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Content Marketing and Web3?

    You Ask, I Answer: Content Marketing and Web3?

    Ann asks, “What should content marketers be doing about Web3?”

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    In this episode and asks, What should content marketers be doing about web three? Well, first let’s quick definition web three is all of the decentralized blockchain based stuff so cryptocurrencies NF, T’s, creator coins and tokens, things like that.

    What should content marketers be doing about it? Well, a few things.

    One, be keeping an eye on this space.

    Even though it’s kind of a hot mess right now very much wild, wild west West, no regulation, all sorts of crazy scams and pyramid schemes, pumping dumps, rug polls, you name it.

    The underlying technology of web three is sound, the idea of a blockchain, which is really nothing more than a publicly available, encrypted spreadsheet, right? At its heart, that’s really what a blockchain is.

    Think about an Excel spreadsheet.

    Now think about an Excel spreadsheet, everyone can edit up to a certain point.

    And in that Excel workbook, there’s an individual tabs and you know, every time you fill up a certain number of rows, and everyone agrees on that, you know, all the changes, like no changes allowed to be made until everyone agrees on it.

    Once that’s done, and then a tab gets locked.

    That’s effectively what a blockchain is, right? It’s, it’s a really big spreadsheet.

    And there’s blocks of data that are read only and encrypted.

    And that’s why it’s called a blockchain.

    It’s basically just a spreadsheet.

    There are very practical use cases for this technology.

    For example, audit trails.

    IBM has been talking a lot about this.

    IBM has a blockchain application for shipping companies where you have a shipping container.

    And there are sensors in that container, that are constantly writing their data to a publicly accessible blockchain that everybody can see everybody can see all the data on it, and maybe you buy this cargo container.

    And you specify, hey, we are contractually requiring that this container.

    Never exceed, say 37 Celsius, right.

    And the sensors are on all the time we’re recording and boom, of course, suddenly, the container gets too hot one day, everybody who has access to the blockchain can see Yeah, this container the recipient, you refuse to accept it refused shipment because it contractually exceeded that.

    The requirements, right, that’s a really good example of a blockchain that great use.

    Another great use that I think would actually be really significant is an aviation one.

    Right now, services like Inmarsat, and stuff provide satellite tracking of aircraft.

    But when you have things like the Malaysian Airlines flight 370, that just vanished and there was very little data about it.

    Imagine sensors onboard the plane, transmitting their data via satellite to a publicly accessible blockchain that everybody can see the National Transportation Safety Bureau news organizations, you know, unsolved mysteries, hunters at the FBI, you name it, everybody can see the evidence that has been posted is that blockchain minute by minute.

    And so the idea of a flight just vanishing, right? Should be impossible, because this technology would create this publicly available, you know, read only resource that everybody can look at.

    Another good example potentially, would be something like voting identities would be obscured, but you’d have this immutable record that said, Here’s what happened.

    That’s really, Blockchain is essentially nothing more than a public ledger.

    So when we talk about content marketing, what should content marketing be doing with these public Ledger’s? There’s some really, really interesting potential applications.

    Nf T’s are one of them.

    The current implementation of NFT is, by and large, just stupid, right? It’s it’s just digital Pokeyman.

    But the underlying architecture is sound.

    The idea is you have this piece of content.

    And it comes with a license of authenticity that can be traded.

    And every time it gets traded, built into that contract, the Creator can get a referral fee.

    So if I make, you know, dancing monkey, right.

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    And it’s got this license of authenticity that travels with it and every time somebody buys this thing, and trades it to somebody else for a fee, I as the Creator get a piece of it, it’s basically royalties.

    It’s a mechanism for collecting royalties that is decentralized that doesn’t necessarily have an ASCAP or BMI or somebody a licensing authority Harry Fox, administering and taking a big cut of the fees, right.

    So for content creators, movie makers, video makers, professional photographers, musicians, the NFT architecture has the potential to be very powerful, right? Suppose that I make a two minute song, I’ll just put together some loops and stuff like that.

    And I attach this licensing agreement to it and put it on the web.

    And assuming that we work out all the issues with the infrastructure today, you could take my thing, remix it, reuse it commercially.

    And every time it gets used commercially, that and you collect money, I get money to write that’s a great application is built in royalties.

    And that’s a very appealing, potential use for for this.

    For today.

    Most content marketers today with the current situation, it’s a wait and see.

    Right, there’s not a ton of really good use cases.

    There are some Joe policies, the tilt organization and the CX show are a good example.

    Same with Gary Vaynerchuk V friends, where you you buy licenses from them.

    And then it comes with like some cute artwork, but the license is really what you’re buying.

    And that gets you in, for example, into their conferences.

    And it’s like a three year license, you get through your license, and you can trade it, you can resell it, it’s built into the terms.

    So if you can’t go to that conference, you can resell it to somebody else, you make money.

    And then the issuer of the license also makes money.

    So it’s like, you know, imagine ticket scalping, right? Instead, you can have tickets that are resellable and Auphonic, fully auditable and tradable.

    Think about with airline tickets.

    So once upon a time, you could sell an airline ticket to somebody else, you can’t do that in today’s system.

    But imagine a an NF T style system, a licensing system, forget again, remember, forget the today’s implementations are stupid.

    But imagine a license that of authenticity.

    That is your ticket, right? And it’s baby, it’s built into an app or whatever, and you sell it and you sell it to somebody else, they then have to authenticate.

    And they then have to authenticate the airline gets paid again.

    You get paid as the ticket purchaser and then this other person provides their credentials, their known traveler number and all that stuff.

    And then they can use your ticket.

    There’s some very strong potential there.

    It’s not really yet it’s not live yet.

    But there is potential and that potential is very, very interesting.

    So today, content marketers should be watching should be looking at use cases should be figuring out.

    Are there small examples or tests you could run that might prove the usefulness of the technology, get versed in the underlying infrastructure, right learn the IT requirements behind it, so that when it does become more widespread, and it does, you start seeing practical, boring, mundane use cases.

    You’re ready.

    We have not hit the Clay Shirky moment yet for web three.

    Clay Shirky famously said when something is technologically uninteresting, then it becomes societally interesting, right? You take a device like your smartphone, right? Your smartphone, this is not a new device anymore.

    In 2007, the iPhone was revolutionary.

    15 years later, this is commonplace.

    But in the process of becoming commonplace, it is now societally impactful, this device is probably more societally impactful than almost any other devices.

    Erevan created for humanity because it connects people and lets people communicate in ways that never have happened before.

    So you want to be on the lookout for the boring use cases of web three.

    When those come out, then you’re really talking about applications for content marketers.

    Really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Accessible and Inclusive Content?

    You Ask, I Answer: Accessible and Inclusive Content?

    Ann asks, “Accessible and inclusive content marketing has garnered more attention in the last couple of years. How have you seen/heard brands address either or both topics?”

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    In today’s episode and asks accessible and inclusive content marketing has garnered more attention than the last couple of years.

    How have you seen or heard brands address either or both topics? Well, as I record this, it is pride month, and then every brand has puking rainbows.

    Yet strangely, a lot of them are also donating to politicians have anti LGBTQ policies.

    But here’s the thing, there isn’t as much accessible or inclusive content as there could be, which is baffling to me as a marketer.

    Because the more people you include, the more people who can access stuff, the more people who can buy from you.

    More people can give you money and say, hey, I want to buy your products or services.

    So what are some things that we should all be doing? There’s some really easy basics, particularly for accessibility.

    I was doing a keynote recently, at the spark dummy conference in Montenegro and I had PowerPoint up on the screen.

    And one of the really cool features is real time captions.

    Right? So I had one air pod in my ear.

    As I’m talking, the captions are appearing beneath my slides.

    Artificial Intelligence, natural language recognition has gotten so good, so good.

    Now that real time captions are reality, not only their reality there, they’re pretty good.

    There was actually an interesting twist on that talk, I had it being translated into Serbian in real time, so I was speaking and Serbian words were appearing beneath my slides.

    Talk about an accessibility thing, right.

    So not only because the crowd in Montenegro speaks, Montenegrin, which is in Serbian, are essentially the identical languages.

    If you were in that audience, and English wasn’t your strongest language, and let’s face it, I speak quickly, sometimes having the words in your language on screen was inclusive.

    Right? If you were hard of hearing, right, if you had a hearing disability of some kind, or other auditory disability, having the words on screen, as I was saying them, is an accessibility thing.

    Every piece of content we create, ideally, should have some kind of accessibility hook so that closed captions and stuff are available.

    So that content is compliant with screen readers.

    You know, just just basic stuff, like alt tags and images, just putting them in emails, making sure that we don’t leave those out that that is table minimum.

    And yet, a lot of companies don’t do it.

    Partly because they don’t think about it.

    It’s the same reason we have bias in AI because people don’t think to ask the question, how can this data be misused, right? In our case, in the Content Marketing question, the question is, who are we excluding? By releasing it only in this format? Who can’t? We market to? Right, if you are releasing video, without closed captions, you are marketing, you’re excluding people who need text to consume your content.

    If you publish a podcast, making sure that you have things like shownotes available again, if you can’t hear podcast is is kind of a problem.

    There’s so many great AI based tools now to make accessibility straightforward.

    Adobe Premiere, I was doing some editing for the Mautic conference the other day, and there were six sessions that were in Japanese.

    I don’t speak Japanese and not fluently.

    I certainly can’t write it.

    But I could choose transcription in Japanese in Adobe Premiere, and it created closed captions now either misses, of course, there are inaccuracies, but they’re so relatively few.

    And the benefit of the accessible content is so great, that it’s a no brainer to use it.

    And then when we load those captions, those Japanese captions to YouTube, for example, I can just push one button on YouTube and say, translate to English.

    And suddenly now, content that was inaccessible to me is accessible to me.

    I can I and understand what the speaker is saying, right? Think about

    Christopher Penn 5:06

    if you don’t like watching videos like this, what if you could just read the transcript if it was automated, you just read the transcript suddenly you if you read, you can read the light up to 500 words a minute, I speak about 150 words a minute, as you could read my content, you can consume it up to three times faster when I provide it in multiple formats.

    So how should you be doing accessible and inclusive content providing as many formats as is practical, in your workflow, build accessibility into your workflow? Build inclusivity into your workflow.

    And ask yourself all the time, but especially for big campaigns.

    Is there anyone that we are excluding that we wouldn’t want to? Because they might buy some stuff from us? Who are whose money are we not taking? By putting out content in a format that’s incompatible with a certain part of the population? So really important question.

    Who are you excluding? Whose money are you not taking? By creating inaccessible or exclusive content? And by the way, it’s kind of funny when you think about it.

    Marketers love to talk about this is exclusive to you.

    This is exclusive.

    That means you’re excluding a whole bunch of people.

    Right? What if your content that was so exclusive is counter to diversity and inclusivity campaigns that your company is trying to do? Maybe we can retire that term for a little while.

    Maybe we can retire exclusive for law, especially since most of the time is not exclusive.

    Anyway, it’s a good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: SEO And Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: SEO And Content Marketing?

    Ann asks, “Given all the “instant” answers Google delivers in search results, does SEO still matter for content marketing?”

    You Ask, I Answer: SEO And Content Marketing?
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    Christopher Penn 0:13

    In today’s episode and asks, given all the instant answers Google delivers in search results, does SEO still matter for content marketing? Yes.

    SEO still matters.

    what Google is doing is identifying easy answers and providing the answer to the person without having to force them to go to another website.

    Right? That is a good user experience.

    So the question is, is all of your content, a bunch of easy answers? If it is, then you’re going to feel substantial increased pressure from Google and other search engines, as he tried to improve the user experience and send you less and less traffic? If on the other hand, you are providing answers that require complexity and nuance, then Google will may show a snippet of your content, but then they will send people to that content so that they can consume it and get the rest of the answer.

    Right.

    There’s a big difference between when is the Boston martial arts center open, right, that’s something that can be displayed super easily.

    Compare that with a question like, What are the differences in the Togakure Ryu lineage versus the Code42? Lineage? That’s a long answer.

    Right? That’s got that’s like a doctoral dissertation answer.

    And so Google is not going to summarize that.

    Google is not going to come up with an answer to answer that, because there’s a lot of things in life that are not instant answers.

    So the real question for you and your content marketing strategy is, are you creating content? That’s all bunch of easy answers that Google will interpret and that, frankly, don’t necessarily add a ton of value.

    Right? If a user goes to your website, do they get more value out of the answers you have there? versus Google? If the answer is Google, then you need to update up your content marketing strategy.

    Now for some things, you want Google giving people an easy answer, like when is my store open? How do I get driving directions to my store? And those are things that you definitely want Google handling, and driving audiences to you.

    But there are other things we’re like, yeah, you know, Google, let’s, let’s create some content.

    That is about stuff.

    It’s not easy to summarize.

    And creating content in multiple formats, tons of different formats video on YouTube, right, which is the second largest search engine in the world of audio in podcasts.

    And by the way, Google has a Google podcasts platform.

    Text interactives, virtual reality, you name it, there’s so many different types of content.

    SEO is evolving.

    It’s no longer just how do I get my page to show up and Google? It is more appropriately? How do I get Google to display my brand? And emphasize the value my brand provides? Right? Because Google is providing instant answers on a topic.

    There’s still attribution on it.

    And if it’s about you specifically, then you want to know that right? For example, if someone’s searching for driving directions to the Boston Martial Arts Center, and they never come to the Boston Martial Arts Center website.

    That’s still information I would like to have if I was running the Boston martial arts website, I would want to know how many people are asking for driving directions.

    And is that a leading indicator that indicates we have brand presence, we have brand strength.

    I don’t need people to come to the website, I need people to come to the martial arts school and try a free class.

    Right? The website is a repository for information, but it’s not the only one out there.

    What we want to do is we want to make sure the best correct information is getting to our audiences.

    That ideally leads them to us, which means your SEO strategy is about being found.

    Yes.

    But more importantly, you need to have two things working for you.

    In parallel, one, you need a brand, a strong one as strong as you can make it.

    If people remember who you are, they can Google for you.

    If people have no idea who you are, they’re not going to Google for you.

    And the second thing you need to do his community, you need a, an audience of people that you engage with, that you have conversations with, that you interact with.

    So that

    Christopher Penn 5:12

    when there are things like algorithm changes in search engines, you’re not as affected.

    Because you have this community, you have this base of people who are making word of mouth referrals, who are telling other people about you who are posting reviews, who are sharing, having conversations on social media and recommending you.

    And when the CEO says, Draw me up a shortlist of vendors that do X, you can say, Here’s my number one recommendation.

    That’s how you use community community is a reinforcing mechanism for search.

    Right community is a reinforcing mechanism for brand because if your brand is strong, then your community can help reinforce it and make it even stronger.

    Right, that brand, that community builds that brand.

    So does SEO still matter? Yes, it is.

    In the middle layer, there is brand.

    There’s SEO, and then there’s community and you need all three.

    You can’t have just one of them.

    We shouldn’t have just one that you really want to have all three.

    Good question, important question.

    If you’re not focusing on brand and community, you are increasingly at the whim of artificial intelligence algorithms that you have no control over and may not understand.

    That’s a very risky place to be a very risky place to be build that brand.

    Build your audience, build your community, so that you have those as insurance policies, and then SEO can come and go as it’s needed.

    Good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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