Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

Category: Marketing

  • You Ask, I Answer: Content Marketing and Web3?

    You Ask, I Answer: Content Marketing and Web3?

    Ann asks, “What should content marketers be doing about Web3?”

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    In this episode and asks, What should content marketers be doing about web three? Well, first let’s quick definition web three is all of the decentralized blockchain based stuff so cryptocurrencies NF, T’s, creator coins and tokens, things like that.

    What should content marketers be doing about it? Well, a few things.

    One, be keeping an eye on this space.

    Even though it’s kind of a hot mess right now very much wild, wild west West, no regulation, all sorts of crazy scams and pyramid schemes, pumping dumps, rug polls, you name it.

    The underlying technology of web three is sound, the idea of a blockchain, which is really nothing more than a publicly available, encrypted spreadsheet, right? At its heart, that’s really what a blockchain is.

    Think about an Excel spreadsheet.

    Now think about an Excel spreadsheet, everyone can edit up to a certain point.

    And in that Excel workbook, there’s an individual tabs and you know, every time you fill up a certain number of rows, and everyone agrees on that, you know, all the changes, like no changes allowed to be made until everyone agrees on it.

    Once that’s done, and then a tab gets locked.

    That’s effectively what a blockchain is, right? It’s, it’s a really big spreadsheet.

    And there’s blocks of data that are read only and encrypted.

    And that’s why it’s called a blockchain.

    It’s basically just a spreadsheet.

    There are very practical use cases for this technology.

    For example, audit trails.

    IBM has been talking a lot about this.

    IBM has a blockchain application for shipping companies where you have a shipping container.

    And there are sensors in that container, that are constantly writing their data to a publicly accessible blockchain that everybody can see everybody can see all the data on it, and maybe you buy this cargo container.

    And you specify, hey, we are contractually requiring that this container.

    Never exceed, say 37 Celsius, right.

    And the sensors are on all the time we’re recording and boom, of course, suddenly, the container gets too hot one day, everybody who has access to the blockchain can see Yeah, this container the recipient, you refuse to accept it refused shipment because it contractually exceeded that.

    The requirements, right, that’s a really good example of a blockchain that great use.

    Another great use that I think would actually be really significant is an aviation one.

    Right now, services like Inmarsat, and stuff provide satellite tracking of aircraft.

    But when you have things like the Malaysian Airlines flight 370, that just vanished and there was very little data about it.

    Imagine sensors onboard the plane, transmitting their data via satellite to a publicly accessible blockchain that everybody can see the National Transportation Safety Bureau news organizations, you know, unsolved mysteries, hunters at the FBI, you name it, everybody can see the evidence that has been posted is that blockchain minute by minute.

    And so the idea of a flight just vanishing, right? Should be impossible, because this technology would create this publicly available, you know, read only resource that everybody can look at.

    Another good example potentially, would be something like voting identities would be obscured, but you’d have this immutable record that said, Here’s what happened.

    That’s really, Blockchain is essentially nothing more than a public ledger.

    So when we talk about content marketing, what should content marketing be doing with these public Ledger’s? There’s some really, really interesting potential applications.

    Nf T’s are one of them.

    The current implementation of NFT is, by and large, just stupid, right? It’s it’s just digital Pokeyman.

    But the underlying architecture is sound.

    The idea is you have this piece of content.

    And it comes with a license of authenticity that can be traded.

    And every time it gets traded, built into that contract, the Creator can get a referral fee.

    So if I make, you know, dancing monkey, right.

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    And it’s got this license of authenticity that travels with it and every time somebody buys this thing, and trades it to somebody else for a fee, I as the Creator get a piece of it, it’s basically royalties.

    It’s a mechanism for collecting royalties that is decentralized that doesn’t necessarily have an ASCAP or BMI or somebody a licensing authority Harry Fox, administering and taking a big cut of the fees, right.

    So for content creators, movie makers, video makers, professional photographers, musicians, the NFT architecture has the potential to be very powerful, right? Suppose that I make a two minute song, I’ll just put together some loops and stuff like that.

    And I attach this licensing agreement to it and put it on the web.

    And assuming that we work out all the issues with the infrastructure today, you could take my thing, remix it, reuse it commercially.

    And every time it gets used commercially, that and you collect money, I get money to write that’s a great application is built in royalties.

    And that’s a very appealing, potential use for for this.

    For today.

    Most content marketers today with the current situation, it’s a wait and see.

    Right, there’s not a ton of really good use cases.

    There are some Joe policies, the tilt organization and the CX show are a good example.

    Same with Gary Vaynerchuk V friends, where you you buy licenses from them.

    And then it comes with like some cute artwork, but the license is really what you’re buying.

    And that gets you in, for example, into their conferences.

    And it’s like a three year license, you get through your license, and you can trade it, you can resell it, it’s built into the terms.

    So if you can’t go to that conference, you can resell it to somebody else, you make money.

    And then the issuer of the license also makes money.

    So it’s like, you know, imagine ticket scalping, right? Instead, you can have tickets that are resellable and Auphonic, fully auditable and tradable.

    Think about with airline tickets.

    So once upon a time, you could sell an airline ticket to somebody else, you can’t do that in today’s system.

    But imagine a an NF T style system, a licensing system, forget again, remember, forget the today’s implementations are stupid.

    But imagine a license that of authenticity.

    That is your ticket, right? And it’s baby, it’s built into an app or whatever, and you sell it and you sell it to somebody else, they then have to authenticate.

    And they then have to authenticate the airline gets paid again.

    You get paid as the ticket purchaser and then this other person provides their credentials, their known traveler number and all that stuff.

    And then they can use your ticket.

    There’s some very strong potential there.

    It’s not really yet it’s not live yet.

    But there is potential and that potential is very, very interesting.

    So today, content marketers should be watching should be looking at use cases should be figuring out.

    Are there small examples or tests you could run that might prove the usefulness of the technology, get versed in the underlying infrastructure, right learn the IT requirements behind it, so that when it does become more widespread, and it does, you start seeing practical, boring, mundane use cases.

    You’re ready.

    We have not hit the Clay Shirky moment yet for web three.

    Clay Shirky famously said when something is technologically uninteresting, then it becomes societally interesting, right? You take a device like your smartphone, right? Your smartphone, this is not a new device anymore.

    In 2007, the iPhone was revolutionary.

    15 years later, this is commonplace.

    But in the process of becoming commonplace, it is now societally impactful, this device is probably more societally impactful than almost any other devices.

    Erevan created for humanity because it connects people and lets people communicate in ways that never have happened before.

    So you want to be on the lookout for the boring use cases of web three.

    When those come out, then you’re really talking about applications for content marketers.

    Really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Accessible and Inclusive Content?

    You Ask, I Answer: Accessible and Inclusive Content?

    Ann asks, “Accessible and inclusive content marketing has garnered more attention in the last couple of years. How have you seen/heard brands address either or both topics?”

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    In today’s episode and asks accessible and inclusive content marketing has garnered more attention than the last couple of years.

    How have you seen or heard brands address either or both topics? Well, as I record this, it is pride month, and then every brand has puking rainbows.

    Yet strangely, a lot of them are also donating to politicians have anti LGBTQ policies.

    But here’s the thing, there isn’t as much accessible or inclusive content as there could be, which is baffling to me as a marketer.

    Because the more people you include, the more people who can access stuff, the more people who can buy from you.

    More people can give you money and say, hey, I want to buy your products or services.

    So what are some things that we should all be doing? There’s some really easy basics, particularly for accessibility.

    I was doing a keynote recently, at the spark dummy conference in Montenegro and I had PowerPoint up on the screen.

    And one of the really cool features is real time captions.

    Right? So I had one air pod in my ear.

    As I’m talking, the captions are appearing beneath my slides.

    Artificial Intelligence, natural language recognition has gotten so good, so good.

    Now that real time captions are reality, not only their reality there, they’re pretty good.

    There was actually an interesting twist on that talk, I had it being translated into Serbian in real time, so I was speaking and Serbian words were appearing beneath my slides.

    Talk about an accessibility thing, right.

    So not only because the crowd in Montenegro speaks, Montenegrin, which is in Serbian, are essentially the identical languages.

    If you were in that audience, and English wasn’t your strongest language, and let’s face it, I speak quickly, sometimes having the words in your language on screen was inclusive.

    Right? If you were hard of hearing, right, if you had a hearing disability of some kind, or other auditory disability, having the words on screen, as I was saying them, is an accessibility thing.

    Every piece of content we create, ideally, should have some kind of accessibility hook so that closed captions and stuff are available.

    So that content is compliant with screen readers.

    You know, just just basic stuff, like alt tags and images, just putting them in emails, making sure that we don’t leave those out that that is table minimum.

    And yet, a lot of companies don’t do it.

    Partly because they don’t think about it.

    It’s the same reason we have bias in AI because people don’t think to ask the question, how can this data be misused, right? In our case, in the Content Marketing question, the question is, who are we excluding? By releasing it only in this format? Who can’t? We market to? Right, if you are releasing video, without closed captions, you are marketing, you’re excluding people who need text to consume your content.

    If you publish a podcast, making sure that you have things like shownotes available again, if you can’t hear podcast is is kind of a problem.

    There’s so many great AI based tools now to make accessibility straightforward.

    Adobe Premiere, I was doing some editing for the Mautic conference the other day, and there were six sessions that were in Japanese.

    I don’t speak Japanese and not fluently.

    I certainly can’t write it.

    But I could choose transcription in Japanese in Adobe Premiere, and it created closed captions now either misses, of course, there are inaccuracies, but they’re so relatively few.

    And the benefit of the accessible content is so great, that it’s a no brainer to use it.

    And then when we load those captions, those Japanese captions to YouTube, for example, I can just push one button on YouTube and say, translate to English.

    And suddenly now, content that was inaccessible to me is accessible to me.

    I can I and understand what the speaker is saying, right? Think about

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    if you don’t like watching videos like this, what if you could just read the transcript if it was automated, you just read the transcript suddenly you if you read, you can read the light up to 500 words a minute, I speak about 150 words a minute, as you could read my content, you can consume it up to three times faster when I provide it in multiple formats.

    So how should you be doing accessible and inclusive content providing as many formats as is practical, in your workflow, build accessibility into your workflow? Build inclusivity into your workflow.

    And ask yourself all the time, but especially for big campaigns.

    Is there anyone that we are excluding that we wouldn’t want to? Because they might buy some stuff from us? Who are whose money are we not taking? By putting out content in a format that’s incompatible with a certain part of the population? So really important question.

    Who are you excluding? Whose money are you not taking? By creating inaccessible or exclusive content? And by the way, it’s kind of funny when you think about it.

    Marketers love to talk about this is exclusive to you.

    This is exclusive.

    That means you’re excluding a whole bunch of people.

    Right? What if your content that was so exclusive is counter to diversity and inclusivity campaigns that your company is trying to do? Maybe we can retire that term for a little while.

    Maybe we can retire exclusive for law, especially since most of the time is not exclusive.

    Anyway, it’s a good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: SEO And Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: SEO And Content Marketing?

    Ann asks, “Given all the “instant” answers Google delivers in search results, does SEO still matter for content marketing?”

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    In today’s episode and asks, given all the instant answers Google delivers in search results, does SEO still matter for content marketing? Yes.

    SEO still matters.

    what Google is doing is identifying easy answers and providing the answer to the person without having to force them to go to another website.

    Right? That is a good user experience.

    So the question is, is all of your content, a bunch of easy answers? If it is, then you’re going to feel substantial increased pressure from Google and other search engines, as he tried to improve the user experience and send you less and less traffic? If on the other hand, you are providing answers that require complexity and nuance, then Google will may show a snippet of your content, but then they will send people to that content so that they can consume it and get the rest of the answer.

    Right.

    There’s a big difference between when is the Boston martial arts center open, right, that’s something that can be displayed super easily.

    Compare that with a question like, What are the differences in the Togakure Ryu lineage versus the Code42? Lineage? That’s a long answer.

    Right? That’s got that’s like a doctoral dissertation answer.

    And so Google is not going to summarize that.

    Google is not going to come up with an answer to answer that, because there’s a lot of things in life that are not instant answers.

    So the real question for you and your content marketing strategy is, are you creating content? That’s all bunch of easy answers that Google will interpret and that, frankly, don’t necessarily add a ton of value.

    Right? If a user goes to your website, do they get more value out of the answers you have there? versus Google? If the answer is Google, then you need to update up your content marketing strategy.

    Now for some things, you want Google giving people an easy answer, like when is my store open? How do I get driving directions to my store? And those are things that you definitely want Google handling, and driving audiences to you.

    But there are other things we’re like, yeah, you know, Google, let’s, let’s create some content.

    That is about stuff.

    It’s not easy to summarize.

    And creating content in multiple formats, tons of different formats video on YouTube, right, which is the second largest search engine in the world of audio in podcasts.

    And by the way, Google has a Google podcasts platform.

    Text interactives, virtual reality, you name it, there’s so many different types of content.

    SEO is evolving.

    It’s no longer just how do I get my page to show up and Google? It is more appropriately? How do I get Google to display my brand? And emphasize the value my brand provides? Right? Because Google is providing instant answers on a topic.

    There’s still attribution on it.

    And if it’s about you specifically, then you want to know that right? For example, if someone’s searching for driving directions to the Boston Martial Arts Center, and they never come to the Boston Martial Arts Center website.

    That’s still information I would like to have if I was running the Boston martial arts website, I would want to know how many people are asking for driving directions.

    And is that a leading indicator that indicates we have brand presence, we have brand strength.

    I don’t need people to come to the website, I need people to come to the martial arts school and try a free class.

    Right? The website is a repository for information, but it’s not the only one out there.

    What we want to do is we want to make sure the best correct information is getting to our audiences.

    That ideally leads them to us, which means your SEO strategy is about being found.

    Yes.

    But more importantly, you need to have two things working for you.

    In parallel, one, you need a brand, a strong one as strong as you can make it.

    If people remember who you are, they can Google for you.

    If people have no idea who you are, they’re not going to Google for you.

    And the second thing you need to do his community, you need a, an audience of people that you engage with, that you have conversations with, that you interact with.

    So that

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    when there are things like algorithm changes in search engines, you’re not as affected.

    Because you have this community, you have this base of people who are making word of mouth referrals, who are telling other people about you who are posting reviews, who are sharing, having conversations on social media and recommending you.

    And when the CEO says, Draw me up a shortlist of vendors that do X, you can say, Here’s my number one recommendation.

    That’s how you use community community is a reinforcing mechanism for search.

    Right community is a reinforcing mechanism for brand because if your brand is strong, then your community can help reinforce it and make it even stronger.

    Right, that brand, that community builds that brand.

    So does SEO still matter? Yes, it is.

    In the middle layer, there is brand.

    There’s SEO, and then there’s community and you need all three.

    You can’t have just one of them.

    We shouldn’t have just one that you really want to have all three.

    Good question, important question.

    If you’re not focusing on brand and community, you are increasingly at the whim of artificial intelligence algorithms that you have no control over and may not understand.

    That’s a very risky place to be a very risky place to be build that brand.

    Build your audience, build your community, so that you have those as insurance policies, and then SEO can come and go as it’s needed.

    Good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Most Hated Business Jargon?

    You Ask, I Answer: Most Hated Business Jargon?

    Ann asks, “What is your most hated jargon or business-speak? Why?”

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    In this episode and asks, What is your most hated jargon or business speak? Why? I don’t know.

    Like what, like flexible, scalable, turnkey integrated solution, or the the bizarre habit people have of turning nouns into verbs like we’re gonna decision this, we’re gonna solution this.

    You’re going to solve this to decide.

    But here’s the thing.

    As much fun as we’d like to make of business jargon and things.

    It’s not the jargon itself.

    That really bothers us think about it, think about it carefully.

    Is it the word that bothers you, because there are some words that bother people, you know, like, moist.

    Some people just don’t like the word moist.

    Interestingly, as a tangent, the people that don’t like the word moist, have negative associations with it.

    But they don’t offer other similar sounding words like joist, for example.

    Moist anyway.

    It’s not the word, it is the person and the intent that is being used when someone’s talking in jargon or business speak.

    Remember when maybe I don’t know if this is universal, but remember, in school, there was always that one kid who was just trying too hard to be cool, right? That kid had the accessories and spoken all the slang and jargon and lingo the day.

    But there was something about that kid, they were just trying too hard to impress everybody, instead of being comfortable in themselves.

    Or maybe another kid you ran into who used their being in the in group, whatever the in group was, when you were growing up, as also bullying mechanism, right? They would say, Oh, I was hanging out with my friends, and we did this cool stuff and things.

    And their intent was to exclude you, and how they talked.

    They intended to make you feel excluded.

    jargon.

    George Bernard Shaw said, at best, every profession is a conspiracy against the laity.

    That’s true.

    We speak in, in jargon, our business speak links.

    Now let’s double click on that.

    Instead of speaking in normal words, we are communicating to other people, our belonging or our intent to belong in a certain crowd.

    And by definition, in using those words, we are trying to exclude other people.

    Right? We are trying to exclude people who don’t know what those words mean.

    Right? By telling you, hey, let’s double click on something.

    What am I? What am I saying? What does that mean? Instead of saying, let’s take a closer look at that.

    For one thing.

    It’s a generational statement, right? If you’re saying let’s double click on something, the generation that grew up with these is like, right now just tap on that.

    They tap on everything they swipe, they don’t click, or especially to double click right except when they go to an office and we make them use one of these things.

    So that jargon is intentionally exclusionary towards people who are younger.

    When you say let’s solution something or let’s decision something, what are you really saying? You’re saying that you’re making words more complicated than they need to be? Because for good or ill you have a culture within your organization where those words are used to obscure basic truth? Right, we’re solutioning that.

    Okay? Are you solving the problem? By those verbal acrobatics, we’re obscuring the fact that we can’t talk plainly about something, maybe we can’t maybe, maybe have something to hide.

    Maybe things are not going as well as they should be.

    But that isn’t as speak is exclusionary now, we are in an environment.

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    And in a culture where many organizations are trying to be more inclusive, we talk about diversity, equity and inclusion.

    If your slang, slang and business card business speak around.

    You are running counter to that objective.

    Right? If you’re saying a bunch of really complex, expensive words, when director used to work with you to talk to say, let’s make that more expensive, I’m just gonna punch you.

    If you’re using languages exclusionary, to make yourself seem more important than you are, you’re running counter to those inclusivity principles.

    Instead of saying, hey, let’s look at this more closely.

    Let’s solve this problem.

    Let’s make a decision.

    Other times people use jargon is a way to deflect.

    Right.

    Oh, someone is decisioning.

    That.

    Okay? That sounds pretty weak sauce compared to I’m making a decision, or I’m deciding when you say I’m deciding, you are taking ownership something you were volunteering for accountability.

    When you say someone’s decisioning, that it’s so confusing that it deflects accountability.

    And that in turn means that when the defecation hits the ventilation, you don’t have to be accountable for those decisions.

    Which is sort of contrary to again to a way a lot of people like to position themselves they’d like to be seen as bold and dynamic leaders.

    Well, if you’re talking about decisioning, something, then you’re not right, you’re hiding.

    If your intent is to hide, and you’re not trying to position yourself, if you absolutely, just try and keep your head down and avoid the roaming guillotines that wander around your organizational culture.

    That’s totally fine then, right? Because what you who you are who you’re saying you are is congruent with your actions and the words and that’s totally fine.

    I’ve worked in organizations where you keep your head down, because it’s just a hot mess everywhere.

    So jargon and business speak bothers us most when it is disingenuous.

    So I don’t have a ton of hated jargon or business speak, I do have a bunch of people I don’t like.

    Which I guess makes me a bit of a misanthrope.

    But don’t like them because they don’t like their intentions.

    I don’t like them because they’re trying to be something that they’re not instead of rolling with what they have.

    Because if they have on whatever skills they have, they were honest about it.

    They’d actually probably make a lot more progress and do more stuff and be more impactful because he wouldn’t spend so much mental energy hiding or deflecting or excluding, instead, they’d just be getting their work done.

    So it’s a very good question of a complicated question.

    But it’s an important one.

    If you use a lot of business jargon, ask yourself why look in the mirror and ask yourself why What are you trying to communicate to other people? And is that congruent with your actions? And are there ways to speak in a way that are more clear and more inclusive, that still let you express the kind of leadership that you want to be demonstrating, or the kind of intent you want to be demonstrating, but without resorting to jargon? Anyway? Good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Wasting Content Marketing Budget?

    You Ask, I Answer: Wasting Content Marketing Budget?

    Ann asks, “What’s the biggest waste of a content marketing budget?”

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    Christopher Penn 0:13

    In this episode and asks, What’s the biggest waste of a content marketing budget, making content that has no point, making content that isn’t aligned with your strategy making content that has no value? I think probably of all of them, that’s the worst is making content that has no value.

    Making content is entirely self serving, making content that is pointless.

    If you make content that at least serves the audience is entertaining, or it’s educational, or it is engaging, at least you’re providing value to the audience, it might not be aligned with your marketing strategy.

    But at the very least, you are attracting and retaining an audience that you can then work with at a later date.

    On the other hand, if you are making content that is entirely self serving, that provides no value to the audience whatsoever, and then it’s a waste, right? Audiences will not engage with it, they will not share it, they will not talk about it, you will not be remarkable, in the sense of someone make worth making remarks about you unless they’re derogatory.

    So wasting content marketing budget, is pretty easy when you are so self centered and selfish.

    That to you, the audience is just a crop to be harvested instead of a partnership.

    The best use of content marketing budget is when your your intentions and your goals are also aligned with your audience’s intentions and goals when you can get what you want.

    While simultaneously making the world a better place while simultaneously being able to deliver just as much maybe more value to your audience than they are giving to you.

    Right that is the ultimate virtuous circle where everything that you do provides value to the audience in such a disparate way, such a a disproportionate way that your audience loves you that your audience can’t wait for more from you that they keep asking you for more stuff, more content.

    And yet, that content is also filling your sales pipeline, filling your marketing funnel, doing all those things that you as a marketer want to do to achieve your goals? How do you do that? You got to figure out what you and your audience both want.

    And a solution that can either deliver both at the same time, or create a chain reaction in which you’re getting what you want, gives the audience what they want, or vice versa.

    You’re giving the audience what they want gives you what you want.

    It’s pretty straightforward.

    In some instances, let’s look at a very quick example.

    Right? You write a blog post that is all about the audience.

    Here’s how to solve this problem.

    Whereas giving away the knowledge or giving away the secret, here’s how you solve a problem.

    And the audience is like, thank you.

    So I’ve been looking for this answer for ever.

    And what happens, they link to it, they share it on social media, they text it to a friend.

    And this thing takes off, like crazy because the value that you give in your content is so high that people can’t help but want to share it.

    You know, a really good concrete example, the game Wartell right, which was invented by Josh Wardle sold to the New York Times for seven figures.

    It provides a lot of value, right? It’s just difficult enough to be challenging, but just easy enough that you can knock it out in a few minutes a day.

    It’s the ultimate little casual game.

    And when he started it, it was actually made for a spouse, just to give her something to do.

    And he had no commercial intent, had no intent to sell it to the New York Times.

    He had no idea he’d be making fairly large amount of money on it.

    He just wanted to create something for someone else out of care for them.

    And he released it to the world and the world really liked it.

    So Ask yourself this.

    What are your motivations when you create content? Right? Who are you creating content for?

    Christopher Penn 5:07

    If you are creating content to try to get marketing qualified leads for your sales team, you are creating content for you.

    You’re not creating content for your audience.

    Right? If you are creating content for your audience, and you don’t care whether or not you get a single lead out of it, chances are as long as it’s good.

    As long as is worth consuming and has value, it’s going to give you marketing qualified leads to fill your funnel, because people will want what you have to offer them.

    So that’s how to waste or not waste your content marketing budget.

    It all comes back to how self centered your content is versus how audience centered it is.

    Who’s getting more value? The answer should always be the audience is getting more value than you are you can both get value, but the audience who be getting more value than you are.

    That’s how you create stainable good content marketing.

    Good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • Mind Readings: Moving Business to Ohio?

    In this episode, I received a solicitation from JobsOhio (the Ohio Economic Development Corporation) about relocating our Massachusetts-based business to Ohio. I looked at the data and concluded that there are a bunch of reasons why I personally won’t be doing that.

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    – Mass Shootings by State

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    In today’s episode, I got a piece of paper mail from the State of Ohio recommending that business leaders should be relocating their businesses to Ohio. And they make some claims in here about having a thriving economy. Low tax rates lots of innovation, et cetera.

    Now, here’s the thing. A lot of business communication is focused around taxes, right? It’s cheaper to operate your business in one place for another. But one of the things that we are all struggling with right now as businesses is employees. Right? Finding employees that are qualified. Finding places for our employees to live, which are aligned with the values that our employees have.

    Now, we are my company is a Massachusetts based company. So let’s compare a few data points about Ohio and Massachusetts and see if Ohio is actually a better place to do business. Massachusetts has an 8% tax rate on businesses for any amount of revenue. Ohio’s a 0.26. Right. So they have they do have lower taxes, but taxes are one of those things that they like subscriptions.

    Right. Like Netflix and Hulu and stuff like that. You get what you pay for some services cost more, but you get more for your dollar. Netflix has a lot of content. Amazon Prime, not as much content. And then there’s all the little ones and twosies like, you know, Paramount Plus and stuff like that. So what do you get in Massachusetts?

    What’s included in the Massachusetts subscription that is not included in the Ohio subscription? Well, this there’s three things I think, that are relevant. Number one, talent itself. If you look at the U.S. News and World Reports rankings for education, Massachusetts is rated in for education and number two in America. And it is one of the best states for higher education for all forms of education.

    Ohio is rated number 31. Right. So your talent pool there, at least from a broad education basis, is much lower Right. So you’re going to have a harder time attracting talented workers there than you would finding them than you would in Massachusetts. That’s number one. Number two, on a absolute basis, Ohio is number ten in America for mass shootings.

    Massachusetts is like number 35. Right. It’s way the heck down on a percentage population basis. Ohio is number 16. Number 15 in America. For mass shootings. Massachusetts on a percentage basis is number 36. So Ohio is less safe as a place to live because you’re more likely to get shot there in mass shootings, which is generally bad. And finally, from a social perspective, we’re going to use HRC the Human Rights Campaign’s data about the laws around nondiscrimination and equality.

    Now, HRC focuses mostly on things like gender identity LGBTQ friendliness, but the Venn diagram of discrimination and hate crimes against gay people and racism and sexism and etc. is basically a circle. Right. If a place is discriminatory against one class of minority they’re discriminatory against everyone that is not in the majority. There are very few exceptions to that rule, the very, very tightly knit Venn diagram.

    So how does Massachusetts and Ohio compare? Massachusetts has virtually all pro equality laws like second parent adoption, surrogacy, laws, foster parent training required, foster care nondiscrimination. It has no anti-equality laws like prohibition of surrogacy or laws against sodomy laws against criminalizing HIV and AIDS. It has tons of pro equality laws for hate crimes. So enumerated hate crimes laws mandatory reporting of statistics.

    Nondiscriminatory laws are employment, housing, public accommodations, education, adoption, foster care. It has no religious refusal exemptions. It allows. Massachusetts has a ton of laws against anti-bullying for all sorts of things LGBTQ inclusiveness, no laws against transgender exclusions in sports and things like that, and inclusive health care laws for pretty much everybody. And people like transgender folks are not excluded in Medicaid coverage.

    So from a equality perspective, from a a social good perspective, Massachusetts is doing pretty well. Ohio, on the other hand, pretty much everything that Massachusetts does, Ohio does not do. For example, there’s no second parent adoption laws. There’s no hate enumerated hate crime laws. There’s no mandatory reporting of hate crime statistics. Right. HIV and AIDS are still criminalized in Ohio.

    There is no equality laws for employment, housing, public accommodations, education, adoption. There are no anti-bullying laws for most categories. Transgender people are excluded in state Medicaid coverage. Transgender people are excluded from receiving appropriate state I.D. So if all you care about is pure profit and nothing else. Yeah, I guess Ohio would be a better place to do business because you’re going to pay less in taxes at a state level.

    But in terms of providing the kind of environment where your employees would want to live and work Especially younger employees, because something like 5% of Generation Z identifies as transgender Ohio is a terrible place compared to Massachusetts. I would not want to raise my family there. Not with the lack of laws and protections. It has more mass shootings.

    It has lower education. I wouldn’t put my business there not not for lower taxes because as I said, taxes are subscriptions. You get what you pay for. Massachusetts has higher taxes. It has higher personal taxes. It has higher business taxes. But you’re paying those taxes for a reason. You’re buying something with them. It’s not paying taxes to the government and then vanishes into a black hole.

    You’re paying taxes to get stuff Better laws, better enforcement of law, safer schools, safer everywhere, more restrictions on what people can do with their firearms. And yeah, this is definitely a a political perspective. If you are in the population of people who likes having laws against transgender people getting Medicaid. If you’re the kind of person who likes having a place where there are more mass shootings because there’s there’s much more gun ownership, then Ohio is the place for you, right?

    It is definitely a place for people who want a certain outlook on life for my business and my family and stuff is not a good fit for me. And I would question the wisdom of sending out this kind of mailing to businesses in Massachusetts, particularly Massachusetts cities, because we tend to cities in general. The Massachusetts cities especially tend to be much more liberal because you know what you’re getting, right?

    You know what you’re getting when you pay higher taxes in Massachusetts, you’re getting more services you’re getting more benefits, you’re getting better laws, et cetera. So I think it’s safe to say I will not be relocating my business to Ohio. Anytime soon. And that Ohio itself has a lot of work to do to make it a place where everyone has equality under the law and to make it a place where it is safer for people to live and make it a place where people are better educated to invest more in education, again, higher taxes.

    But you’re buying a better educated population, which means better workers which means more productive workers, which means more sustainable business. And the if you’re the the laws of where you live. Focus on things like equality then you’re going to attract employees who value those things. And those typically it’s not it’s not a strong correlation, but there is definitely an association of people who care about equality and people who tend to be better workers.

    Right. There. They view other people as equal. They view other people as deserving a lack of judgment until you prove that you’re a jerk individually, and especially for people with families where you have younger generations that identify and see the world very differently than, you know, us old folks. Massachusetts is going to be a more welcoming environment for them.

    It’s going to be a safer place for them to live. Um, you know, something as simple as like conversion therapy, right? Conversion therapy is expressly prohibited under most progressive states laws, school suicide prevention policies, LGBTQ inclusive sex education laws, these are things that don’t exist in Ohio.

    And they’re important. They’re important for everybody, but they are especially important for the younger generations of talent that we are all trying to create to keep up with the global economy. So that’s today’s mind readers. I’m sure that some folks will have some interesting things to say in the comments. Please keep it simple. And focused on data as much as you can.

    I’ll put links to the various pieces of research in the post so you can check it out for yourself. But thanks for tuning in. We’ll talk to you soon. If you like this video, go ahead and hit that subscribe button.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Giving Press Releases More Life?

    You Ask, I Answer: Giving Press Releases More Life?

    Catherine asks, “How do you give a press release more life? We post it on social media, it goes on the website, etc. but then it just fades away.”

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    In today’s episode, Catherine asks, How do you give a press release more life? We post it on social media, it goes on the website, but then it just fades away.

    Yep.

    Let me ask you this.

    And I’ve been asking people this for almost a decade now.

    When was the last time you saw a parent reading a press release to a child at bedtime? right answers ever.

    We will don’t do that.

    Why? Because press releases are boring.

    Of course, there’s no life in it, because it’s boring.

    Nobody wants to read it.

    It’s filled with you know, here’s the the bombastic statement, opening paragraph, you know, so and so Corporation is proud to announce are pleased to announce are honored to announce their flexible, scalable, agile turnkey integration solution, blah, blah, blah, then you have two quotes by the CEO that the CEO never said, but you know, some intern wrote, and then you have boilerplate at the end.

    Nobody reads press releases, nobody wants to read a press release.

    So of course, it fades away.

    So the question is, what story are you trying to tell? And is there a format other than a press release that that meets it? Suppose you, you’re promoting a new executives book, right? And you’ve got a press release? Nobody cares? What’s the book about? How does it help people? How does it serve the audience better? What are some interesting stories that you can extract out? And then you create content around that you create content around the stories about the central thesis, right? If you’re announcing a new product feature? Again, nobody cares.

    What does that feature? Do? Who does it help? How do people get value out of it? And that’s where you can take the pieces of a press release, remix them as an actual story, and then post them places and create content around that.

    A press release.

    And the story that it contains, conceivably is nothing more than a webpage.

    So how do you drive traffic to a web page, right? You can post about on social media? Sure, you can put in your email newsletter, you can run ads to it, you can make video promos of it, you can text people about it, there is no shortage of ways to promote a web page.

    The question is, is it worth promoting? Right? If your press releases are just fading away, it’s probably because nobody cares.

    And that’s not a reflection on even the content itself.

    So much as the format we have been conditioned as content consumers to ignore those things, right.

    For those folks who have blogs, or podcasts or things where you get pitches from public relations professionals, anytime I get a press release, it immediately goes in the trash bin, because I have no interest in reading it.

    It looks like a press release.

    It goes in the trash bin because it’s not gonna say anything interesting.

    I’ve yet to see access to I’ve seen what exactly one press release that was worth reading.

    And it was from Opera Software years ago.

    And it was very cleverly done.

    Because they had a little slider said how much corporate bullshit do you want, in none, and then when it was slid all the way and as opera has a new version of his browser, and that was just one sentence and you tag the slider all the way to the right.

    And this press release gets this long.

    And it’s, you know, Opera Software, the world’s leading blah, blah, blah.

    And it was funny, it was really well done.

    That’s the only press release I can think of that I actually wanted to ever read everything else has not been great.

    So what is the angle? What is the hook? What is the story? When you’re pitching this thing? What is the story that you’re telling people? Because I would presume as a public relations professional, you’re not just putting out a press release, but you’re also pitching reporters on whatever the topic of the thing is.

    What is that? Right, what is what is it you’re trying to, to convey? If it’s high profile quotes from influencers? Cool, okay.

    atomize those, break them up? Something that my my friend and former colleague Todd Devon used to say is that content atomization is everything said that in 2008, take a piece of content, break it into a million pieces.

    Every one of those high profile quotes that’s in your press release should be its own little social card.

    Or if you want to get crazy and creative find a way to work it into a meme.

    That’s actually funny.

    There’s no shortage of memes that have sort of a sarcastic angle that would I think, would do great with corporate quotes.

    You know, there’s that one of the woman looking at two cards, you know that corporates asked you to compare these two images and you know, they The answer is always the same.

    What kinds of things what can you do with that?

    Christopher Penn 4:51

    Again, it’s the problem with the press releases largely the container itself, right? We’ve become accustomed to ignoring them.

    So how do you take the Have the pieces of it and distribute them in different ways that people want to consume that people want to pay attention to.

    If you again, if you’ve got these great high profile things, do you have video of that? Is that something you can put up on YouTube or Tiktok, or Instagram or something where people will actually watch it? If it’s really compelling or interesting.

    And therein lies the last part.

    And this is the part that, again, I spent five, yeah, five years at a public relations firm, almost six.

    Most of the stories that my colleagues were pitching were boring.

    They were boring.

    They’re uninteresting news from uninteresting companies, which, of course, is why those companies hired a PR firm in the first place.

    Right? If they had really compelling stories, they wouldn’t need a PR firm, right? Apple, for example, has a corporate communications department, and they probably do have a PR firm.

    But people actually want to pay attention to what Apple has to say, or what Google has to say, and so on and so forth.

    For a lot of these challenger brands.

    They didn’t have anything to say that was interesting.

    So part and parcel of the work you have to do is, is there a story there? Is there any actual news, when you’re doing a press release or a news release, there has to be actual news in there.

    The easiest way to create news is to take a bunch of the data and the research that you’ve done, and find an an actual piece of news, something that’s new information that is valuable to the audience.

    Again, with most press releases the value in them as entirely to the company that’s publishing it, check out a flexible, scalable, blah, blah, blah, product.

    So what that doesn’t provide me any value only provides company value.

    What’s in it for me as the reader, right, and if there is no value, if I’m not going to learn something, if I’m not going to find it amusing, if I’m not going to something that’s gonna make me laugh, then it’s not news, it’s not worth sharing, and publish the press release.

    Because if you need to adhere to regulations, or whatever, or it makes your executives happy, great, do what you got to do to keep your stakeholders happy, but expecting and trying to generate performance for something that inherently as a medium that doesn’t perform well.

    And with the tailwind or the headwinds of not very interesting news to begin with is a is a tall challenge.

    If you come up with a piece of news that’s really actually compelling, that’s interesting.

    It’s much easier to get people to pay attention to it, it’s much easier to get people to share it to talk about it and things like that.

    Here is my question to you.

    I would assume that you have close friends, some kind, significant others, things like that.

    The news, it’s in your press release? How many of your friends who don’t work in your industry? Have you eagerly told about because you’re so excited about it? Right? If you have a significant other? Have you bored them to death of talking about this news over dinner? Probably not.

    Right? Which means is not news that you find so compelling that you’ve got to share it with people that you care about whether or not they care about the news that you’re so excited, like I’ve been telling my friends and my colleagues and stuff about my new Google Analytics course I’m getting ready to launch this week.

    I’m excited about it.

    I’ve told my wife about it.

    She’s like, aha, that’s nice.

    But it’s exciting, because it solves a lot of problems for a lot of people.

    And it’s exciting for the company, too.

    But I’m so enthused about it.

    That I’m telling people who frankly, don’t care.

    I gotta tell my kids about No, they’re like, yeah.

    But that’s a good indicator for you, that you’ve got some news, that you’ve got something worth sharing when you can’t contain yourself.

    You’re so excited about it.

    You’re so emotionally engaged in it.

    And you got news, right? Because let’s face it, you’re not excited about it.

    Your audience for sure is not going to be excited about it.

    So that’s your benchmark.

    That’s the question to ask yourself about how to get more life out of your news release.

    It’s got to have a lot of life and energy and to begin with the story’s got to have life to begin with.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Correlation of Visitors and Conversions by Visitor Type?

    You Ask, I Answer: Correlation of Visitors and Conversions by Visitor Type?

    Andy asks, “I received a request yesterday for a report that “maps the correlation between the % of new and returning visitors onsite and the number of conversions, by day”. My first thought was to go into GA and create a couple of different views showing new/returning visitors and conversions. What do you think?”

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    In today’s episode, Andy asks, I received a request yesterday for a report that maps the correlation between the percentage of new and returning visitors on site.

    And the number of conversions by day.

    My first thought was to go into Google Analytics and create a couple of different views showing new and returning visitors and conversions.

    What do you think? My first question is? Well, what are we trying to prove here? Because visitors should correlate to, to conversions.

    Christopher Penn 0:45

    I think maybe you’re trying to figure out whether it’s new audiences or returning audiences that drive more conversions.

    And so I don’t know that this would be the best model to prove that, but you can do it.

    So here’s the steps that I would take.

    First, you need to extract the data itself.

    So you need the number of new users by day, number of returning users by day and the number of conversions by day, be aware that mixing and matching different number types is a bad idea.

    So instead of percentage of new and returning visitors, which isn’t great, just use the absolute numbers.

    So we had 12, returning users and 44 new users, and then the number of conversions.

    Awesome, don’t mix up data types, like don’t have new users and sessions.

    Don’t Don’t do that.

    So that’s step one.

    Step two is get all that data out of Google Analytics and into some kind of system that can run correlations.

    And it has to be a system that can do different types of correlations.

    Generally speaking, when we talk about correlation, there’s three different kinds of correlation that you can run.

    There’s a Pearson correlation, a Spearman correlation, and a Kendall tau correlation.

    And if you’ve never heard these terms before, then you are just like me, and you slept through statistics class in college, right? Which I did, I did terribly in that class, which is ironic, had to relearn all later on in life.

    Each statistical test of correlation fits a different type of data.

    So Pearson correlation, which is generally what is most used in tools like Excel and stuff like that.

    When you type in like the correlation function in Google Sheets, or in Tableau, it’s probably using Pearson out of the box.

    Pearson correlations are good if your data, when you plot it out, looks like a bell curve, right? For for normal distributions.

    Pearson correlations are the best tool for the job.

    That is not most marketing data at all, right? If you were to take your marketing data and reorder it, by largest to smallest, most marketing data is a power law distribution.

    Now a Pareto curve 80% of your traffic comes from 20% of your of your days, and so on and so forth.

    longtail, you hear that term a lot.

    When you have data that is doesn’t fit a normal distribution, which is called nonparametric.

    Spearman correlations are the best to use the the best technique to use, and instead of a p value, you get an R value.

    And then the third one, Kendall tau is best for ordinal data.

    So if you have two lists of ranked data, you would use Campbelltown for that.

    So get all of your data out, get it into a spreadsheet, make sure it is all ordered by day, and then run a Spearman correlation for each one of the things you’re going to find probably is you’ll find that one of those two metrics has a stronger correlation.

    With Spearman correlations, they are they’re just like Pearson correlations in the sense that anything above point five is a strong correlation.

    Anything below.

    Point 5.25 is a weak correlation.

    Anything below point two five to zero is no correlation.

    And the same is true on the negative side.

    So you can have negative correlations as well.

    The question that I would ask though, is, so what? Right, so if you find out more new users has a greater correlation to conversions and returning users.

    Okay, so what is the person who’s requesting this? What are they going to do with that information? I suppose if it’s new users, then you look at the channels that drive new users and say, Okay, let’s invest more in the channels that are driving the most new users.

    Same is true for returning users.

    But fundamentally, I would question whether that data type is as relevant as you know, the channels the individual channels.

    So one thing you might want to take a look at is looking at new and returning users by your most popular channels like search or email or social media and so on and so forth, because that might lend more granular results that you can save a step or two.

    In terms of the level of analysis.

    That’s not to say that it’s not the analysis is not without value.

    It’s the number one thing we always want to ask a stakeholder when they come to us with a very specific mathematical test is okay, what are you going to do with the information? Right? What decisions will you make? If they’re just going on a fishing trip?

    Christopher Penn 5:29

    You might say, Okay, that’s cool.

    And still happy to run the analysis for you.

    But have you ever thought about what your next step is? Because most people don’t, most people don’t think about the next step.

    And as a result, because they don’t think about the next step, they don’t have a clear picture in their heads of what it is they would do next.

    And that’s where all the value is in analytics.

    A lot of the time analytics, by itself is rearview mirror, right, it’s what happened is looking backwards.

    That’s a limited value.

    When you’re driving, there is value in looking in the rearview mirror every now and again.

    But unless you’re Mario Andretti and then you just never look in the rearview mirror.

    But if you’re trying to make decisions going forward, you have to have some sense of where this person wants to go with this thing.

    And if they don’t know, that is the opportunity for you as an analyst to add value.

    That’s an opportunity for you to say, Okay, have you also thought about this channel level, new and returning users? And then help them run the tests and say, Okay, here’s the conclusion that we reached, that x or y is a better choice for getting more of the result that you care about.

    So give that some thought.

    But it’s a very interesting question, and I think the analysis is worth doing.

    Let’s see what you come up with.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: No Giant Images in Email Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: No Giant Images in Email Marketing?

    Joyce asks, “For our company’s mailings, I enforce a strict “no giant images” rule (known “locally” as the NGI rule!). I am clinging to research from years ago that found that more than a third of email users don’t automatically download images (I am one of them). It is very off-putting when I open an email and am shown nothing so I’m forced to click to download or go to the browser view. Since you are an expert and your newsletters are giant images, I’m wondering if there is a reason you do this — and a reason I should reconsider the “NGI” rule.”

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    In today’s episode Joyce asks for our company’s mailings, I enforce a strict no giant images rule known locally as the ngi rule.

    I’m claiming to research from years ago that found that more than a third of email users don’t automatically download images I have one of them is very off putting when I open an email, and I’m shown nothing.

    So I’m forced to click to download or go to the Browse of you.

    Since you’re an expert in your newsletters or have giant images.

    I’m wondering if there’s a reason to do this.

    And the reason I should reconsider the ngi rule? So it’s a good question.

    Um, the the big thing with images is, if you’re not providing alternate texts, then I think that’s kind of a no go, right? If you’re providing alternate text, that’s descriptive.

    That tells people at least what the image is, then they can decide whether or not they want to turn images on, I would hazard a guess that actually it’s more than a third of email users.

    Now lock him just because a lot of services like Gmail, for example, can block images by default, or differentially blocking images.

    So allowing images and stuff from trusted senders and not from everybody.

    The reason I use giant images is mainly for call outs about what it is that I want somebody to do in my personal newsletter, one of the largest images is the unsubscribe image, right? This is big, glaring, multicolor, Technicolor thing that I want very clearly, everyone to see like this is the unsubscribe button.

    If you can’t find this, you should probably seek medical attention.

    Right.

    That’s, that’s how big it is.

    And I do use large images in other places like in newsletters and things.

    In some of the data analysis, particularly in the Trust Insights newsletter, every week, there’s a column called Data diaries, where we look at data that people might find interesting.

    I use images and large images for those because it fits the format, it fits the need, right? Trying to look at a statistical analysis on something the size of a postage stamp is unfulfilling, right? Very difficult to see, you know, when I publish, Instagram engagement rates and the images is big.

    That’s not a good user experience.

    So a lot of those times, it’s because it fits the user experience, it delivers on the promise of the content, I would say that, if you’re using images, gratuitously, you throw in a large image just because you can, that’s probably a good thing to trim back on.

    Right.

    But if the image serves a real valid purpose, and you can explain what that purpose is, then the size is less relevant than the purpose it fulfills.

    Right? If you are putting in big charts and tables in your emails, and you can’t see it, because it’s so small, then you’re not helping anybody, right, you’re not helping the user to figure out what it is that you want them to be looking at.

    So I would reconsider the rule, if the images are essential, I would say, keep things smaller, you know, smaller is generally better, particularly when it comes to, you know, reading on mobile devices and things.

    But if there’s value to the size of the image, I don’t see a reason why not to create it at the size that, that serves the customer best.

    At the end of the day, that’s the most important thing.

    If the customer gets more value out of a larger image than the smaller image, go with the larger image, if the customer doesn’t get any value out of the image either way, then go with smaller smaller is going to be better in those cases.

    So it’s about your intent as a marketer and about what you’re doing to serve the customer best.

    That’s it.

    Pretty straightforward.

    But it’s a good question.

    And it’s generally speaking with any email marketing rule, it’s always a good idea to reevaluate the those rules, read the latest research and stuff and see what’s changed.

    Because obviously, with things like Apple’s mail, privacy, protection and stuff, email marketing is changing all the time, particularly for these devices.

    And re evaluating the rules and questioning them is a smart thing to do.

    It’s a very smart thing to do, because sometimes things that were best practices, even a couple of years ago, are not best practices anymore.

    You know, a real simple example is using opens for your AV testing.

    Given the changes in privacy technology.

    That’s not a best practice anymore.

    It’s actually a worst practice because open rates are unreliable.

    Now.

    You have to look at click through rates as a more reliable benchmark.

    And even then

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    there’s some issues with click through rates because particularly if you’re sending email to corporate email addresses, where there’s a firewall, before the user that clicks on every link in your email, because it’s checking for malware.

    Even in those cases, you might want to do something a little bit different.

    So the long answer to a short question, use the image size that suits and serves the audience best.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • Mind Readings: Demand Interception Versus Demand Generation

    Mind Readings: Demand Interception Versus Demand Generation

    In this episode, let’s talk about the difference between demand generation and demand interception – and why it matters.

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    In today’s episode, let’s talk about demand interception.

    So we have this concept in marketing called demand generation.

    And it’s pretty straightforward what it is right? You’re trying to create demand for your product or service you’re trying to essentially stimulate interest in and an eagerness to buy your product or service, particularly where it doesn’t exist yet, hence, you’re generating demand.

    The challenge with demand generation is that it is a lengthy and expensive process.

    And here’s why.

    There are really four phases of demand.

    Right? Dan Kennedy came up with this in back in the 70s, I think, when he was talking a lot about direct marketing, its problem impact, general solution specific solution, and we like to jokingly called pigs what’s the problem is, is the customer even aware that there’s a problem? If they are aware of the problem? Do they understand the impact of the problem? If they don’t do anything about it? Right? What’s the general solution to the problem? And then what’s the specific solution and the specific solution is hopefully our products and services.

    So let’s say you’re hungry, right? You understand this problem, at least you understand the impact of the problem.

    If you don’t eat, your blood sugar drops, and all sorts of things, you generally know that eating will solve that problem.

    That’s a general solution.

    And then the specific solution is, what am I going to eat? Am I going to go to a fast food restaurant, sit down restaurant, cook something at home, and so on and so forth? Pretty straightforward.

    The reason why demand generation is so challenging is because you have to walk somebody through up to all four stages to create demand, right? If we’re assuming that demand doesn’t exist, you have to convince somebody they have a problem, you have to convince them that that problem is important enough to do something about it, particularly if there are limited funds available.

    And they have to choose between solving a problem they didn’t know they had versus the other things that are on their plate, you have to convince them that a solution to the problem exists.

    And then you have to convince them that you are that specific solution that they’re looking for.

    So what’s demand interception? Well, demand interception is essentially looking at each of those four stages and saying where is their capacity for us to play a role and essentially, intercept demand, as opposed to trying to create it from nothing.

    So we see this in disciplines like SEO, very frequently.

    Your specific solution maps pretty well to what’s called branded organic search.

    Someone is searching for you by name, right? They know there’s a problem.

    They know what the impact of the problem is.

    They know this is a general solution.

    And this they’ve already settled on you as a specific solution.

    They are searching for you by name.

    Somebody looking for marketing analytics help is googling for Trust Insights by name, right.

    That’s the easiest level of demand to intercept.

    It.

    Frankly, if you don’t intercept it, your marketing is gone.

    A lot of problems.

    Taking a step back from there, the general solution that somebody might be looking for be, you know, analytics consulting firm, right, that we call that unbranded search and SEO.

    How do you intercept unbranded search? Well, in an SEO, you create content, and then hopefully that content ranks well enough for those terms that you lead people to you.

    And then as they understand the general solution, then you are the natural specific solution.

    taking another step back from there, what’s the problem and the impact? Well, this is what we would call adjacent search.

    Right.

    So if you are searching for analytics consulting firm, before you did that, you had to understand that you had a problem with your analytics, right? So you were googling for things like, you know, Google Analytics sessions versus pageviews.

    Or why is my Google Analytics wrong or something along those lines? And that unbranded that different flavor of unbranded search is earliest stages of demand when someone’s trying to figure out what the problem is, and what the impact of it is someone googling for what is Google Analytics would be a great example of this.

    And so, demand interception means that instead of trying to create demand for problem that someone may or may not have, if we know the stages that somebody goes through In the quest to solve their problem, we can then look at our efforts and say, how well are we intercepting demand for each of these stages? Right? How good is our branded organic search? How good is the social media? This

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    would map to people who were having conversations directly with you? Right? How good is our direct engagement? How? How often our customers sliding into our DMS as a silly example, right? That’s would be an example of that from social media, you have a specific solution, someone’s reaching out saying, hey, I need help with this.

    The general solution would again, be somebody going and following, you know, five or six different companies, you and your competitors, or asking on a social network, hey, does anybody know anyone who you could recommend for X, whatever x is, whatever your your services.

    Before that you have people talking about the problem itself in your LinkedIn groups, or on Slack or in discord and things like that.

    The, in those cases, you’re looking for people asking questions about the problem itself, like, hey, has anybody ever noticed that it’s, you know, my sessions or my pageviews in Google Analytics aren’t even remotely close to each other? What’s going on with that? That would be a case where somebody has identified a problem, and they might even be trying to figure out the impact of it.

    So how do you do demand interception? Well, as you can see, as we talk about different channels, like search, or social media, or email marketing, if you map out the interactions you have with people, you can figure out where your marketing fits in each of those stages, the problem impact general solution specific solution.

    And you then look at the amount of results you’re getting from your marketing and each of those channels.

    For example, how much business does brand organic search drive? How much direct response from your emails, does that drive? How much business do you get out of your DMS in on social media channels.

    When you do that, you get a very clear picture of what your demand interception capabilities are.

    And you also learn where you’ve got some shortfalls where you’ve got things that are not working as well as they should.

    And that gives you the hint you need as to where you need to bolster your capabilities, right? If nobody is ever asking about trying to understand the problem, maybe you might have a product marketing problem, right, you might have a problem that, in the sense of you’ve created a solution for a problem nobody has right and you have a product market fit problem.

    The easiest way to get a handle on your demand interception capabilities and to steward people through the process of creating demand is through communities.

    Right? If you, for example, if you join my free slack group go to trust insights.ai/analytics for marketers, and you can see it’s a Slack group with about 2400 people in there.

    What that does is it allows us to see the different stages of demand.

    Somebody’s asking, Hey, can anybody tell me if you’ve succeeded that you’re doing a newsletter referral problem? Program? That’s an example of someone where they understand the problem, they need to grow the newsletter list, but they don’t have a general solution yet, right? There’s trying to figure out, Is there a general solution? Or is there a specific solution somebody’s done.

    Other times, you know, when we publish our content in our Slack group, we can see people reacting with it.

    And that’s very specific solution stage of demand interception.

    So, community is one of the shortcuts that you can use if you build your community in advance, to do demand interception to to help people solve their problems, understand their problems and impact, then help them understand the different solution sets.

    And ideally, if it’s your community, and it’s a solution that you provide, you would be able to provide that in a very trustworthy way to your audience.

    But regardless of it, if you have to choose between a demand generation program where you’re trying to create an audience out of whole cloth that wants your business versus intercepting demand that’s already there, I would suggest that the low hanging fruit is that demand interception working backwards from specific solution to general solution

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    to impact analysis to problem awareness.

    And if you can do all four stages, you will find that you can get as much of the market as as is available.

    And only after that you then go and start creating demand for trying to approach people who don’t even think they have a problem and trying to do to create that problem whereas the exception to this is In cases where you are not permitted to recommend the solution, right, so there are certain industries, for example, the marijuana industry and pharmaceuticals in general, where you can’t run ads for your, your, your product, right.

    And a lot of cases, you have to do what is called problem marketing problem state marketing or disease state marketing, where instead of trying to hawk your solution, you’re trying to identify the audience that has the problem and provide them more information about the problem in the hopes that they will then seek you out for the solutions.

    So somebody is saying I need you know, better sleep or more relaxation, and you happen to market cannabis.

    That would be an example of demand of disease, state awareness where you you’re marketing and leaning into the problem that you solve, because you can’t talk about the solution at all.

    So that’s today’s mind reading.

    Hope you found it helpful.

    Let me know in the comments one way or the other, and I’ll talk to you soon take care.

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