Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

Category: Marketing

  • You Ask, I Answer: How to Target Larger Clients?

    You Ask, I Answer: How to Target Larger Clients?

    John asks, “Targeting larger clients can be extremely competitive. Any advice on developing a strategy to grab their attention?”

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    In today’s episode, John asks, targeting larger clients can be extremely competitive.

    Any advice on developing a strategy to grab their attention? Well, it depends.

    It depends on how your your clients or prospective clients do their purchasing.

    Right.

    So what is their customer journey look like? And a lot of the time, companies that are in the same industry have similar purchasing processes.

    So the first and probably most important question is, what is that process? How does it work? How do people make choices in your industry? Is it something as simple as you know, an intern pulling together a shortlist? Is there an RFP process? What are all the different things that go into purchasing? Once you know that, once you know how somebody does business in your industry, then you can start figuring out what are the specific tactics that map to that, for example, if you are dealing with a situation where you just have sort of a junior staff or pulling together a shortlist, then a lot of things that are in the public relations realm actually apply really well.

    So awards.

    And as much as awards are paid to play.

    A lot of the time, they matter because you’re more junior persons, just going to Google, you know, award winning, whatever.

    And of course, if you’ve done a good job with your organic search optimization stuff, you will probably be in that list of results.

    If you’re in industry publications, you’re building mindshare, that’s for a more casual purchasing process, that’s the way to go.

    If you have presence of mind, then getting in front of people is a little bit easier.

    Right then if no one’s ever heard of your company, before picking up the phone smiling and dialing is not super effective, because nobody likes being called by people they don’t know.

    Well, very few people like that.

    If you have something more like an RFP process than making sure that you’re doing, you know, simple stuff, like being in SAP arriba, and the arriba marketplace, and maintaining your profile, so that as companies go to issue RFPs, you make that list, making sure that you are targeting and focusing on procurement staffers within organizations, because again, those are the folks who are logging into arriba and typing the searches that are needed to bring up a list of vendors that they can then go do to do their due diligence on that’s, you know, the more formal process for RFPs.

    One of the challenges with RFPs is that as my colleague, John Wall likes Capo like second place contests, typically a company has a vendor in mind, but for many different reasons, some of which are regulatory, they have to put it out for bid.

    And then they got to pick what they chose anyway.

    So you’re still, there’s still value in cultivating those relationships, cultivating mind share within your industry, one of the more valuable things you can do, especially for larger clients, and also for organizations where there isn’t a clear, professional community is to build your own community.

    For example, we have the analytics for marketers slack group, if you go to trust insights.ai/analytics for marketers, you can see this, it’s just a Slack group.

    Having regular frequent access to your audience to communicate with them a two way communication is incredibly valuable.

    Because when somebody starts thinking about, well, how can you know, who do I know that does this thing.

    If you’re on their mind a lot, then when it comes time to issue those requests for information or request for proposal, whatever you at least get at a chance at bat.

    And ideally, you know, the sort of the dream for every salesperson is your company’s reputation is so good, that they skip the RFP process entirely and say there’s no other company that can do this other than this vendor.

    So we’re just gonna go ahead with this vendor.

    Again, there may be regulatory requirements.

    In particular, if you’re working with governments, for example, in the place where I live, a certain percentage of government contracts must go to women owned businesses and minority owned businesses by law written in so though, that’s another area entirely where if you are dealing with larger organizations that have regulatory requirements, how can you conform your business to those requirements so that again, You make the list.

    Think of it like search optimization for procurement systems, right?

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    When somebody goes into Google, there’s a massive complex, very sophisticated machine learning engine making recommendations, when you go into some of these more legacy purchasing systems, they’re all basic keyword search systems right there, they don’t have a lot of vendors don’t invest a ton of money in machine learning algorithms and recommendation engines.

    So they’re still pretty primitive, which means that you want to optimize your profile in those systems to have the best chance of being shown for the categories you want to be shown for, to the types of companies you want to be showing with.

    Again, this requires market research, and not just Googling for stuff, but actually picking up the phone and talking to your existing customers.

    Say you have, you know, 20 customers, but three of them are really in the target that you’re seeking, like, you know, they’re they’re the bigger companies, they’re, they’re good customers, things like that.

    You get on the phone with your point of contact, and maybe their boss and say, Hey, I’m doing some research, we’re trying to figure out where we can find more great clients like you.

    When you were making the decision to hire us, how did you find us? What was your internal purchasing process like, Hey, can I spend 45 minutes and buy you a coffee or a lunch or something and have you walk through how you and maybe any competitors that you know, we’re non competitive companies, how they do their procurement, that level of market research can only come from in depth questioning.

    So you want to make sure that you are well positioned and it to do that you need to get inside the heads of your your buyers, right.

    And that all comes from just talking to people and trying to figure out how companies work inside.

    So your strategy has to map to the customers.

    There is no one size fits all strategy, particularly for larger companies, there is no one size fits all strategy for an industry and you’re going to have different kinds of companies.

    One other thing to think about is if there are certain companies in your industry that have a reputation of being difficult to work with, you may want to see how those companies do their procurement and then avoid them.

    Now I recognize obviously, you may not be in a position to turn down business but a bad customers a bad customer, so anything you can do to to not only target those larger clients you do want but not target those clients you don’t want is going to pay dividends down the road.

    So really good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: What Makes for Compelling Events?

    You Ask, I Answer: What Makes for Compelling Events?

    In today’s episode, we answer the question, “What compels you to attend a webinar/online event?”

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    In today’s episode, the question is what compels you to attend a webinar or online event? To be honest. Not a whole lot does. Not for me If it’s a topic or a subject that I’m interested in, I will attend. If I’m speaking at it, I kind of have to attend Right. That’s that was pretty obvious. But for the most part, there isn’t a lot to online events and to webinars other than it being something where I know I’m going to learn something that compels me to attend.

    And so a lot of the time I will attend events and things outside of my area of Expertize, right? I don’t attend much in the way of marketing and especially marketing analytics content because there isn’t a whole lot new under the sun right back. I get a ton of useful insights and experience when I attend, say, like a medical analytics event or a hard core coding event like the AR conference or a Tableau Conference.

    Something where I can see different perspectives, where I can see the same tools that I use, but see them used in different ways. The analogy I would give there is imagine you’re a French chef, right?

    How much benefit are you going to get out of going to online events about French food? If you’re a really good French chef, that answer is probably not a whole lot. You might pick up a little insight or a new thing here or there, but for the most part, if you’re a good French chef, you probably are not going to pick up a whole lot of new things.

    Right. But if you attend a an Italian food event or a Japanese food event, totally different way of doing things, even though it’s the same general topic cooking, you’re going to see very different perspectives, new ideas that you can then bring back into your practice. Some things will not make sense. Other things you can pick up some really cool stuff.

    For example, in that in that example, maybe, maybe you see how the Japanese method of making computer works and like, wow, I’m going to try that because that looks really different and could lend some some neat new flavors to my food. When we think about analytics and marketing and stuff, it looking at the same stuff that everyone else is looking at guarantees that you’re going to be doing the same things everybody else is doing.

    When you should be looking at what works best in other domains of expertize, what works best in bioinformatics, what works best in stock analysis. Half of the interesting things that I’ve done, my own coding and my own analytics come from other disciplines, particularly finance. I people have spent decades trying to build financial models to predict a stock or an equity or a bond or something else.

    Now, cryptocurrencies, right, and forecasting financial outcomes And those techniques they developed kind of sort of work in finance, but particularly with things like the stock market is really, really difficult because there’s so many hidden factors Those same techniques, they were brilliantly in marketing because we have far fewer inputs. When you have a stock market and you have a stock, you have a lot of I call shadow inputs and things that are out of your control, maybe out of your vision.

    There are institutional funds, hedge funds, you know, all sorts of high frequency trading off market transactions that can impact a stock price. It’s very, very difficult to to see those. It’s very, very difficult to forecast those and to account for them in a financial model. There is no such thing as a shadow website that’s secretly sending you traffic, right?

    You may have unattributed traffic, but for the most part there is no parallel parallel marketplace, no parallel web there. There’s all these secret things that are suddenly influencing your analytics, and it doesn’t happen. Your web analytics is reasonably self-contained. Now, but, you know, there are obviously are things that will impact your company. But from a data perspective, you don’t have those problems.

    And so a technique that works, OK, in finance works really well in marketing because there are more guardrails right there. There’s fewer chances for random, weird outside interference when you look at a technique that works in medicine, it’s statistical technique. It works in medicine. A lot of these techniques have to be bulletproof. Right, because lives are literally on the line.

    If you get the statistical analysis wrong, people die. When you’re researching a drug and you conduct an AB test in marketing, we conduct a Navy test and nobody like test be cool, right? In medicine, if if B goes really wrong you kill somebody. And so the rigor and the discipline and the governance and all the best practices are used in medicine and in pharmaceutical research.

    Again, these are the things that we can put into marketing, improve our marketing, improve our analytic skills in an environment where lives are not on the line. And it’s a topic of discussion that my business partner and her friend, Katie Ribeiro and I talk about all the time. She cut her teeth in in the medical industry, in the pharma industry, in dealing with substances and situations that if you got it wrong, people died.

    To step into marketing is like a breath of fresh air. Because even if you’re completely wrong in marketing, probably nobody’s going to die. You might get fired, but you know you’re not going to have somebody coding out on the table because of a bad decision you made. So when we think about what compels me to attend an event, it’s because I want to learn something from a perspective I haven’t seen yet or from a perspective that’s going to be so wildly divergent from what I’m currently used to that I can come away with not one or two, but a dozen or two dozen new ideas, new things, new points of view.

    The last two years have been a buffet of these things because again, with the pandemic, so many events and things went online and the recordings are up on YouTube for free. You don’t have to register. There’s no shortage of really good sources for new ideas. The challenge that we all have to face is making sure that we’re not attending events and trainings and online things that are inside of our comfort zone, that are inside of our knowledge zone, but instead stepping outside, sometimes far outside for a totally different look.

    How an industry solves a problem that isn’t our industry could lend some unique insight, some innovative insights that we could use for our stuff that could shortcut months or maybe even years of work on our part when someone else is hardly working solution for that any different industry. So that’s what compels me to attend events. Be curious to hear what you have to say to this question.

    If you want to let me know. Go over to every Slack group. Go to Trust Insights Dot A.I. Slash Analytics for marketers. Ask this question recently there. We’d love to hear what compels you to attend an online event. Thanks for tuning in. We’ll talk to you soon. If you like this video, go ahead and hit that subscribe button.

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  • Mind Readings: Analytics Strategy Control

    Mind Readings: Analytics Strategy Control

    In today’s episode, we talk about measuring what you can and cannot control.

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    In today’s episode of Mind Readings, let’s talk about analytic strategy, something that was on my mind recently as I was thinking about analytics overall is that we spend a lot of time looking at a lot of data to try and understand what happened. And why. And that’s important. That’s a vital use of analytics. But in some ways it’s kind of a waste of time in some ways.

    And I say this because as I do more and more work for clients and look at their data, a lot of folks measure a lot of things that very critically they don’t have control over. And because they don’t have control over those things, they can’t change them. So, for example, you have some level of control over what you post on social media but whether your post gets seen or not, you don’t have much control over that, right?

    You don’t have much control over how Facebook or Instagram or tick tock or whatever, how they choose content to be seen. They have literally artificial intelligence algorithms designed just for that. And as a result, it’s difficult to tease apart in your analytics whether a lack of performance, low performance in social media marketing as just as an example is because you didn’t do your job or because the algorithms that are out of your control chose not to show your content, even though it may have been perfectly good content.

    Remembering that for most public social media, you are competing against essentially everything else. That piece of software wants to put in that slot, that space of inventory, including stuff that generates ad revenue. So should we be measuring it? Yes, but probably not as often as we think we need to be. Right what we should be focusing on is what is under our control, what are the things that we can do differently.

    And sometimes that might just be the creative might that sometimes that might just be the things that the activities that we’ve done, knowing that we don’t have a lot of control. For example, I used to work in public relations and there are ways to prove the value of public relations, the ways to prove the return on investment. But an awful lot of the time activity is what kept report on not because practitioners are necessarily able or unable to to report on the impact, although it is the case in a lot of cases, but also because you don’t have control, right?

    You don’t have control over whether a reporter or a publication or a news outlet runs with your story or not. You might have a really compelling story and then Russia invades someone and suddenly no one is getting coverage. And so when we’re thinking about our analytics, we think about using our data. We actually think about what do we have control over.

    One of the things that I really like about more advanced analytics, like predictive analytics, is that it’s not just a rearview mirror, right? When you’re doing your analytics reporting, most of the time you are looking in the rearview mirror, and that’s OK. That’s what most analytics are for. That’s perfectly OK. But you can’t change what has already happened.

    You can’t go back in time, you can’t adjust to the data. Honestly, to show reality being different than it is. But when you start getting into things like predictive analytics, trends, forecasting and stuff, now you’re starting to get into higher value analytics where you can say, Look, let’s make these changes to our upcoming plans so that we get a different result so the question I have for you is how much of what you measure do you have control over when you’re reporting on it?

    And when it comes to making decisions and when it comes to taking action, how much are you focusing on the things you have control over and how much are you being asked to do things that are out of your control? If you work for a person or an organization that is consistently insistent on you affecting things that are out of your control, you might want to change who you work for because you’re never going to make people happy.

    You’re never going to be able to accomplish what you want to accomplish because you’re being asked to do things that you don’t have control over. All right. We want to rank number one in in Google for the search term. Well, you don’t have control over that. You have some right. You can build inbound links, you can create great content.

    But at the end of the day, it is not your decision about what gets listed for that search term on Google. Right. You have no control over that. One of the challenge aspects of adopting this mindset is you realize as a marketer, as a marketing professional, you have control over relatively little right? You don’t have control over what’s in somebody’s head.

    You don’t have control over various pieces of software and algorithms. You don’t have control over recommendation engines. So those things that you do have control over, make sure that you invest heavily in them. You have control over the quality of content you create and you have control over distribution channels. You own you, you you control who you send your emails to.

    Right? You can’t control what they say. We read some of that, but you at least know it got there as opposed to a Facebook where you put up a post and it falls into a black hole and you have no idea where another living human has even seen it.

    So what do you have control over and how much are you investing in those things where you do have control? Give that some thought as you build your analytic strategies, as you build your reporting strategies, and ultimately as you decide what it is that you as a person, as a professional and as an organization are going to focus on.

    Because if you spend all of your energy and time and effort and money on things you don’t have control over, you’re going to consistently be disappointed. Thanks for tuning in. We’ll talk to you soon. If you’d like this video, go ahead and hit that subscribe button.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: What Does Data-Driven Mean?

    You Ask, I Answer: What Does Data-Driven Mean?

    In today’s episode, we answer the question, “What does data-driven mean?”

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    And today’s you ask. I answer, asking the question, what does data driven mean? So here’s the way I explain data driven. Most of us have one of these things, right? As a map application on there, some kind of Google Maps Apple Maps, whatever. How does that work? How do you use it? Do you just get in the car, start driving and see what the app tells you?

    Maybe, you know, there there are people who like to do that kind of exploration for most of the time to use that tool. We open it up. We set a destination and then we hit Go, Hit Start, and the software looks at all the possible routes to get from where we are to where we want to go and takes into account things like traffic, road closures, et cetera, and gives us a recommended route That is literally being data driven.

    You are being data driven when you set the destination and then the machine helps you navigate. Now, notice that the machine doesn’t do the driving for you, right? You still have to get behind the wheel is for now as self-driving cars improve. Obviously that may change. But for today, in 20, 22 you still have to do the driving.

    You still have to set the destination. But the machine guides you on making choices. And sometimes those choices, you may know better, right? If you’re just using the app locally, you may know, oh gosh, actually that route that you picked is technically shorter, but it’s an unpleasant drive. I’d rather take the slightly longer, but that’s less efficient. But a much more pleasant drive.

    Right? Or Hey, I know that that road that you say is closed is not actually closed. And so you may make different choices, but especially when you’re in a geography that you don’t know, being data driven in this example means you put in the destination, you let the machine guide you, right? You make your choices based on what the machine tells you based on its data.

    When we talk about being data driven in business, in marketing and strategy, that’s what we mean. Mean the data that you have should be able to tell you, here’s what’s likely to happen. And the best recommendations for moving in the direction you want to go. This presents some rather difficult challenges, doesn’t it? Because last I checked, no software that we use actually gives us driving directions, right?

    When you open up Google Analytics, it doesn’t tell you what to do with your website. Right? When you open up your marketing automation software, it doesn’t tell you what to put in your next newsletter. And so even though we will talk about being data driven and even though analytics companies and analytics software will say, adopt a data driven mindset, it doesn’t match up to what is actually being data driven.

    Right? Because unlike a GPS, none of these pieces of software acts like a GPS. They don’t tell you what turn to take next. You know, the destination you want to go to, right? You know, you need 10,000 marketing qualified leads or $100,000 in pipeline or whatever the number is. You know where you need to go but the promise that we’ve sort of established from the discussions about being data driven versus the reality are pretty far apart.

    We don’t have much that allows us to be data driven, not in the truest sense of turn right now we’re starting to we’re starting to predictive analytics in particular, starting to get to a point where there’s more guidance right? If you have things that are cyclical and seasonal, you can use trend analysis and forecasting to make decisions and predict what’s likely to happen coming up.

    But it is early days for that, right? It’s very, very early days. And the reality is right now it’s inaccessible to a lot of people. When I put together my content calendar, I used predictive analytics. I use forecasting. Here’s what the terms that are likely to be trending in the next week or month or whatever but that’s with software that I wrote and data sets that I ingest because I wrote software to to to get those to.

    That’s not something that is universally available to everyone. And so I would argue that very, very few folks right now are data driven, not because they don’t want to be, not because they are doing something wrong, but because the tools don’t allow them to be data driven. There is no such thing as a marketing G.P.S. or a strategy or a financial G.P.S. that says make this decision next turn right here doesn’t exist.

    Will it ever exist? I don’t know. It depends on how complex the models are, how much data they can ingest and how intelligently they can pass it.

    But at the very least, it’s safe to say that for today, there isn’t much that allows you to truly be data driven right. So even though we have data and we have strong analysis and we have maybe some insights for market research, we don’t really have a ton of things that allow us to be truly data driven. We don’t have somebody or something saying, turn right here, When you address a vendor that is talking about how their software helps you be data driven.

    Bring out that mental model of the map application on your phone. If I put my destination here, will your software tell me where to go Most software vendors, if they’re honest, will say, No, no, it doesn’t do that. It can give you some insights. It can tell you what happened. It can hint at things, but it’s not going to tell you which direction to go or when to do things.

    That is still a function that is reserved for us as the decision makers. And it’s one of the reasons why a lot of the time when people ask, Is I going to take my job now? No, it’s not. Not if you’re good at your job because you still got to do the driving and you still got to set the destination and today you still have to decide what turn good decision to make turn by turn, because the software doesn’t tell you that.

    Software tells you how far you’ve gone, how fast you’ve gone, how fuel efficient you’ve been. But that’s it, right? Most analytic software is rearview mirror only, and there’s not easy off the shelf solutions to be data driven. Again, it can be done, but it requires fairly technical teams and it requires access to data and knowing what you’re doing with it.

    So it’s a challenging question. What is data being data driven mean? And the reality is that most of us are not, and that’s OK for right now. But know that that’s the goal. That’s where we want to get. And the first company in your sector, in your space that gets there is going to go really, really far, really quickly.

    So our aspiration is to be that company so that we can do very well for ourselves. Thanks for tuning in. We’ll talk to you soon. If you like this video, go ahead and hit that subscribe button.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Regulation of Marketing AI?

    You Ask, I Answer: Regulation of Marketing AI?

    Jonathan asks, “What kinds of regulations do you expect to see in marketing AI or AI in general?”

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    In today’s episode, Jonathan asks, what kinds of regulations do you expect to see in marketing AI or AI in general? What do I expect to see? Or what do I think we need because they’re different, they are different.

    What I expect to see are minimal efforts at attempting to create regulations about fairness.

    Right, and to some degree, about visibility about what machines do, and how they make decisions, particularly for consumer protections, being able to tell somebody and be able to justify, like, why was this consumer turned down for a mortgage or a loan or something? And in a court case, you know, being required to disclose Yeah, prove that your machine did not make this decision on the basis of race or religion or gender, right protected classes.

    That’s what I expect to see the bare minimum regulations, because artificial intelligence right now is such a driver of profit, and income for companies that most companies would perhaps prefer to not have a whole lot of regulation about it.

    What do we need, if we want to continue having a functioning society, we need to have regulations in place about interpretability and explainability.

    And what I mean by that is that we need to have regulations in place that are no different than, you know, the ingredients.

    The nutrition label on a package saying, here’s what’s in the box, right? If you put this in your mouth, here’s the things these are the chemicals that you are putting in your mouth, alright, sorbitol, gum, bass, glycerol, so on and so forth.

    We require that a food right we require that if some of important things in our lives, we should be requiring that of our machines.

    What is in the box.

    For example, if you create a recommendation engine, tell me the basis on which it makes recommendations.

    Right? Prove that the machine makes recommendations in a fair and balanced manner.

    One of the things that was a discussion topic in this week’s newsletter, if you go to my website, ChristopherSPenn.com, you can see last week’s newsletter the AI and inequality issue.

    There’s a bias, a natural bias towards bigger companies.

    So in SEO, in particular, because the bigger you are, the more content you generate, the more content you generate, the more data there is to learn from from your company.

    And as search algorithms improve, they learn from the data they’re given them, the bigger companies have more data, they’ll learn from that more.

    When we talk about regulation of AI, we have to be having some serious discussions about expected outcomes.

    What is the expected outcome of this software model? And then does it deliver on that and be clear and be regulating? These are the required outcomes, something simple like credit score decisions, credit score decisions must have outcomes that are identical for things when you control them for like protected classes.

    So a black man and a Korean woman should have identical outcomes if their income and their employment and stuff is all substantially identical.

    And if they don’t, right, if the Korean woman never gets the credit card loan, and the black man always does, and all controlling for everything else, everything else is equal, then, you know, you’ve got a race issue, possibly a gender issue, maybe both.

    But those are both protected classes.

    And so the the, what should be on the label on the box of that AI? Is this AI guarantees that it does not make decisions based on race or gender.

    Right? That’s what should be on the box.

    Is that what’s going to happen? Maybe it depends, like so many other things.

    I expect it to be a patchwork quilt of regulations that vary from country to country, region to region, some regions of the world, you’ll have very, very stringent requirements.

    For example, the EU is well known for having extremely stringent requirements on disclosing things right.

    There’s a whole bunch of chemicals and things that you know and manufactured consumer goods, flat out been in the EU perfectly fine in other countries.

    Now whether they’re actually safe or not nest The discussion topic, but what’s regulated is, and it would not surprise me if countries in the EU said, yeah, if you want to operate this AI here, here is what you must disclose.

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    That’s what I would hope to see in all forms of AI.

    And the the thing you may say is, well, you know, it’s marketing.

    It’s not like you’re you’re denying people loans or making healthcare decisions.

    It’s just marketing.

    It is it does marketing AI need regulation? Uh huh.

    Sure, it does.

    I was at an event a couple of years ago, and I was watching a presentation by a fairly well known insurance company.

    And this insurance company said, we are not permitted under by law to discriminate in the issuance of policies based on protected classes, right, we cannot discriminate based on race or gender, or religion, etc.

    And then very proudly on stage, these folks said, so what we’ve done is we’ve used machine learning to fine tune our marketing to make sure that less desirable people see our marketing.

    So if we’re not marketing to them, they’re less likely to buy and therefore we don’t have to deal with those decisions.

    Like, well, great, you just reinvented redlining.

    Thanks, redlining, if you’re not familiar with the term from the 1930s in America, which, which banks would draw red lines around districts of cities and say, We’re not going to do business at these places, they were typically black American places, typically poor places, typically, minorities of some kind or another.

    And redlining was declared illegal, a couple of decades later.

    And this company is up on stage touting its use of marketing AI, to effectively have reinvented redlining, but doing so in a way that it does adhere to the letter of the law, but violates the spirit of it.

    Because you don’t have to market some people.

    You don’t have to spend marketing dollars to reach some people, that is true.

    But the outcome is the same.

    And that’s the difference with AI.

    Right? Because we don’t necessarily know the inner workings of a deep neural network, we have to judge AI based on its outcomes, and whether or not we intend to discriminate, for example, if the machine does it, then it’s doing it.

    Right, whether or not that was our intent, if it’s doing it, that is the problem.

    And so we have to be very careful about regulating AI, not on the technology, not even on the data set, but on the outcome it delivers.

    And if it’s delivering outcomes that are unfair, in to turn it off, until we can fix the problem kill until it can demonstrate that fairness is at play.

    Right.

    And it’s really challenging, it’s a much more challenging proposition than you might think.

    Because when you deal with systemic biases, you get a lot of correlated outcomes, right? For people who are minorities, depending on the minority, there is a bias towards there’s a natural systemic bias says those people who are going to earn less money.

    So you may program in to say, Okay, we’re, we’re not going to use race at all, we’re only going to focus on judgments on income.

    Well, by default, you create an outcome, where there tends to be a bias against race, because it’s so tightly correlated with income.

    So in those cases, you need to be able to, to display in your algorithms in your models, that there are data points that show that race is not a factor, right? If you have a black man and a Korean woman, and they have the same income levels, right, they should have the same probability of being approved for a loan or showing a marketing email or whatever the case may be.

    That’s how you prove that.

    protected classes are not in play by showing multiple examples where the protected class is not a differentiating factor in the decisioning of the machinery.

    It’s very challenging.

    It is very challenging, it is costly.

    And this is another reason why companies don’t want to spend a whole lot of time on this and why it will have to be regulated because it is costly.

    It is financially costly and computationally costly.

    To prove that your machines are not doing bad things.

    But you have to do it.

    It has to be part and parcel of AI if it’s not.

    We’re going to create a world that’s not super fair, not super fun to live in.

    Right where if you are wherever you are in life in terms of income and jobs and and

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    pride Ducks and services you consume.

    If you don’t regulate for fairness in AI, the machines will reinforce everything around you to keep you where you are.

    So if you’re happy, and you’re with your lot in life, and you don’t care about advancing your career or what you buy and things like that, then that might be okay.

    But if you aspire to move up the staircase of, of whatever you consider success in life, by definition, the machines which have trained on the data, you’ve provided them, about where you’ve been in your life, in the past, will continue to make recommendations based on those things.

    Even if you as a person are no longer that person.

    Right? Can you imagine getting recommendations from where you were 10 years ago in your life, or 20 years ago? Some of us like the the younger folks that like I’d be getting recommendations that My Little Pony Well, yeah, that’s kind of the point.

    Right? The machines don’t adapt, unless they’re balanced for fairness and growth.

    And so you would continue to get my little pony ads, even though you’ve long outgrown them.

    That’s a fun example of what is otherwise a very insidious problem that is not visible, because we don’t know what the the expected outcomes are.

    So that’s where we need to go with regulation of AI.

    To say, these are the stated intended outcomes of this model.

    And this is how well it complies with it.

    And this is critical.

    Human law appropriately has, or should have the presumption of innocence.

    Right? You are innocent until proven guilty.

    You can be accused of a crime.

    But you are innocent of a crime until you proven guilty in a court of law.

    That should not apply to machines, machines aren’t sentient machines are not sapient they are not self aware.

    They do not have rights.

    And so, as we regulate AI until it does become self aware, that’s a different conversation.

    But today, we should be treating algorithms and models as guilty until proven innocent.

    You are seen to be discriminating, prove to me that you’re not right.

    If I accused an AI a machine a piece of code of being discriminatory one of the precedents we need to establish in law is that the machine is guilty until it can prove its innocence.

    That’s how we create a more equitable AI ecosystem.

    Presuming innocence Oh, no, it’s not doing that.

    That’s not the way to go.

    Not for machines for humans.

    Yes.

    For living creatures with essential software and have rights.

    innocent till proven guilty is the way to go.

    For machines, the opposite.

    That’s a key point.

    So really good question.

    Long, long answer.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: AI and Marketing for New Marketers?

    You Ask, I Answer: AI and Marketing for New Marketers?

    Molly asks, “What should people new to marketing know about AI as they start their careers?”

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    In today’s episode, Molly asks, What should people new to marketing know about marketing AI? As they start their careers? That’s a tough question as answer, because we don’t know.

    What we do know, what we have seen so far is that artificial intelligence and machine learning have done an exceptional job of taking away individual narrow tasks from people’s jobs.

    Right, the ability to write a press release, machines can write press releases now, not very good.

    But then again, most press releases aren’t very good either.

    So it’s, it all works out fine.

    Machines are getting very good at attribution analysis, things like that.

    So there are lots and lots of individual tasks.

    The thing I would say to people who are starting out in their careers, is that machines will continue to take away tasks, individual tasks, one at a time.

    And what this means for you, is that you’ve got to continue to focus on in your career tasks that are multidisciplinary in nature, because those are much, much harder for machines to replicate.

    If you’re good at just inbound sales, there are a whole bunch of things in that job that can get automated out from under you.

    On the other hand, if you’re good at inbound sales, and you’re good at psychology, you bring depth to that role, and to how you do your job, that machine’s would find very, very difficult to replicate.

    If you are a writer, you know, machines are starting to write content.

    But if you are a writer, and a subject matter expert in something that machines don’t have a lot of broad content to draw on.

    Again, very difficult.

    Remember that all artificial intelligence and machine learning is contingent upon having enough data to train a model, which is a machine written piece of software to replicate what has already been done in some fashion.

    That breaks down when you start having niches of content, or any any data where there isn’t enough of it.

    Right? We can teach machines to write press releases, because there are millions of press releases, and they’re all about the same say about the same thing, right? There’s companies like industry leading companies flexible, scalable turnkey solution, blah, blah, blah, quote from the CEO, the CEO didn’t write that the PR firm, in turn wrote, and then for more information, contact this person, right, we’ve seen those press releases a million times, a machine can write them with ease.

    Writing about the environmental impact of co2 on deep sea fish, there’s not a lot of content to start from.

    Right, there’s not a lot of content for a machine to learn from.

    And as a result, it will be very difficult for a machine to create new content on that topic.

    Because it didn’t have anything to train on.

    So when you think about your career, when you think about what you’re good at, and what you’ll be asked to do, ask how commonplace the existing task is, right? If you’re worried something’s going to get taken away by machines.

    How commonplace is the task? I need to write a sales email? Well, guess what? That’s something that there’s millions of examples for and most of them are about the same.

    Right? I need to write a blog post about marketing automation.

    Well, there’s hundreds of 1000s of those.

    So that’s pretty easy for machines to learn.

    I need to write a blog post about a billion billionaires acquisition of a social network, and its implications for privacy legislation.

    Not a whole lot has been written about that particular angle.

    Right.

    So the there’s what’s called sparseness, the sparseness of data in that line of inquiry.

    And so a lot of models, when they try to generate content on something so niche will come up with generic platitudes, maybe, and maybe a few usable sentences, but for the most part, you’re going to keep getting word salad.

    language models, in particular have not figured out how to deal with sparsity in niches yet.

    The more you are multidisciplinary, the more you have very specialized knowledge.

    The more that you can combine things together in ways that are unusual, the harder it is for a machine to do those things.

    Right.

    If you are somebody who is very strong in the visual arts, and you’re somebody who’s good at sales, you’ll be able to create sales pitches and sales collateral that machines do can’t dream of because there’s not enough data for it.

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    Right? An easy way to think about testing things out, is to take a topic that maybe you’re going to create something on or a task you’re going to do.

    And just do a Google search for it.

    See how much existing content there is about that thing.

    If Google spits back, sorry, didn’t find any really good results.

    That’s a good sign.

    That’s a sign that you found something that the machines, there isn’t enough content for machines to learn about, because Google is real good about finding stuff.

    On the other hand, if you type in something, and Google’s like, Here’s page one of 500 million, like, okay, there’s plenty of opportunity to hear from machines to learn, and replicate, and maybe even learn just the best stuff.

    Right? Maybe they can, there’s so much content on that thing that they can replicate the top 10% Only and deliver better than average results than a human could.

    Because, again, there’s so many examples to train from.

    That’s what to think about as you start your career.

    Or even if you’re in the middle of your career, or even coming close, you know, on the tail end of your career, artificial intelligence will replicate the most common things.

    So look at your job, look at your calendar, look at your inbox.

    What are the most common things in there? Those are the things that machines will start to handle and increasingly more and more just taking more of those away.

    What are the things that are unusual? And again, look in your inbox? What are those one off weird requests, you get that nobody else could do? Right? So things to think about in your career, especially if you’re early on in your career, is what do people come to you for? That they don’t go to anybody else? There’s nobody else in your company.

    We even in your industry, that they would even dream of going to that is something that AI is going to have a real hard time taking away because of your it the only person that machines can learn from as you so give that some thought.

    Really good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Personal Brands and Businesses?

    You Ask, I Answer: Personal Brands and Businesses?

    Jeremy asks, “How should content entrepreneurs think about their personal brands and their businesses?”

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    In today’s episode, Jeremy asks, How should content entrepreneurs think about their personal brands and their businesses? Should they be separate? Maybe it depends it this is one of those questions where it depends is the answer.

    Because it depends on the situation? It depends on your brand’s focus.

    It depends on your overall strategy and outcome.

    What kind of business objective Are you going towards? Right? If you want to run a lifestyle, business, meaning a business, where it’s it’s part of your life, but you have a life outside of it, and you want to a business is profitable, but not necessarily you’re looking to exit or sell or, you know, 10x, your return or whatever, crazy things people are saying these days, then having that personal brand reinforce your business might be the thing, right? There are a lot of people who make very successful long term businesses on their personal brand.

    Right? There their name is the business.

    Take somebody like Arnold Schwarzenegger, right? His entire business is his name and his brand.

    Other businesses, if the intent is to sell or to transition, or to flip it or something, yeah, your personal brand being deeply entangled with it can cause issues, because you then have a difficult time transitioning that business to somebody else, right? Once you’ve sold it off, a lot of the value is in your name.

    And you might have difficulty getting a buyer, even if they perceive that too much of the value is is tied up in your name.

    And they know that the name is not going to come with the business not in the long term.

    They might say yeah, we’re we’re either not going to buy your business, or we’re going to offer you less than we would have if the business was truly portable.

    So it depends on your exit strategy.

    For marketers who are working inside of a business, this is where it gets really sticky.

    So for a number of years, I loaned my personal brand, my name and stuff to different companies, blue sky factory, what counts, shifts, communications, et cetera.

    And those businesses did very well with the brand and the audience that I was gathering.

    But every time I made a transition, my audience went with me and didn’t necessarily stick with the business.

    From my perspective, that was a good thing.

    From the businesses perspective, less so.

    But also, because a lot of the folks I worked for were not particularly thinking about the long term strategy, they were really thinking about shorter term results, it wasn’t a substantial long term problem, I still provided a lot of value to those businesses, and things.

    So if you work inside of a business that you don’t own, you are not a decision maker.

    And you do have to think about your personal brand.

    And how tied to the business it is what is it that you are known for? What does it you want to be known for? And how tightly coupled is it to the business? If it’s something that you want to be able to move from company to company, when you’re in your space, you’d be very careful about things like your employment agreement.

    You need to have a lawyer looking at your employment agreement and making adjustments to it.

    So at the last two companies I worked at before I signed on as an employee, I had my lawyers look at the employment agreement.

    And we made some stipulations, we said these things are work for hire, meaning that I work for the company and these are the things that become the companies.

    These other things are not my personal newsletter is not part of the company.

    My at the time I only podcast marketing over coffee, not part of the company would never be part of the company.

    And the employer had to sign off on that.

    Otherwise, I wouldn’t have been able to work there.

    Or I would have had to make concessions, one of the two.

    But fortunately, everybody agreed.

    Okay, that was good enough that we kept these things separate from these things.

    If you work at a company right now, where you haven’t looked at your employment agreement in detail, I would.

    I would look very carefully to see how widely scoped your employment agreement is.

    If the company says everything you do is ours, including what you do outside work

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    might be time to change companies.

    Right? And as you do make sure that the next company you work for when you get that agreement, you have a lawyer look at it and say, Okay, we’re agreed that the stuff that you do on company equipment during business hours is the company’s you don’t have a claim to it.

    But everything you do outside of the company on your own time on your own equipment, that’s yours, and the company has no claim to it.

    Right? That’s something that you have to think about very carefully.

    Because there are a fair number of companies that do have an all inclusive clause in the employment agreement, saying if you come up with anything, if you create a, a million dollar YouTube channel about basket weaving, right, and the company makes concrete, you know, relationship, the company can still lay a legal claim to your YouTube channel.

    If you signed an agreement that says everything and anything you do will come as companies.

    So look real carefully.

    At the agreements, you sign and hire a lawyer, right? Find a lawyer, hire a lawyer.

    Because it’s expensive upfront, but it’s really expensive on the back end, when you’re in court being sued, if you don’t straighten those things out.

    So if you are planning an exit, disentangle your personal brand as much as you can, if you’re not if you’re planning on making it a long term bid, you might not have to, and if you don’t own the company, be very careful about keeping your personal brand and the company very much Church and State keep them separated if you don’t want some serious headaches, so really good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Unique Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: Unique Content Marketing?

    Jeremy asks, “How do you make unique, better content for content marketing?”

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    In today’s video, Jeremy asks, How do you make unique, better content for content marketing? How do you continue to improve your content? Here’s the thing, if you’re doing content marketing, and you, as an individual are doing content marketing, like this video, for example, you’re already unique in some aspect, right? Because it’s you.

    Nobody else could be in my video except me, and still haven’t been my content.

    Right? Just simple logic.

    How do you make better content comes down to what is it that your content supposed to do? Right? What is the purpose of the content for your audience? Not for your business, not for your company, your brand, your organization, your marketing objectives, whatever? Put that aside.

    What is your content marketing supposed to do for your audience? What value does it provide them? If you don’t have a clear answer to that question, it’s going to be really difficult to make better content because you don’t know what good content is.

    Right? Good content we’ve talked in the past has to pass the three l test.

    Right? Did you laugh when you made it? Do you love it so much that you talk to your significant other or friends or whatever, about unsolicited unprompted? And they’re like really tired of hearing about it? What did you learn something, when you’re putting that content together? Right? content has to be educational, to some degree, it has to be entertaining some degree, and has to be emotionally engaging.

    And if your content doesn’t do any of those things, that’s a good place to start.

    Right? That is a great place to start improving your content.

    Ask yourself which of those three axes engaging, entertaining, or educational? Which is your content strongest? And which is your content weakest in? And then based on that information? What should you be doing more of? And there’s a couple of different perspectives on this.

    If you were really good educational content, but you’re not really focused on the entertainment aspect, that’s okay.

    There are still ways to create something that’s educational, as long as it’s emotionally engaging, right? So of those three E’s, you need to add three, you need to add three, educational alone isn’t enough if that were a true, college professors would be the most followed people on YouTube, right? That’s we know that’s not true.

    Just because something’s educational does not mean it’s entertaining, or emotionally engaging.

    So what of those other two things can you get down and improve upon? It doesn’t mean that you have to do all kinds of crazy stuff, it just means that you’ve got to be able to connect with people.

    Part of that is understanding what is your audience wants.

    And a big part of that, is thinking about content as a sale, right is the sale of an idea.

    In order to sell something, somebody has to make an emotional decision.

    Because that’s how we buy, right? We that’s how we accept new things, we make an emotional decision, and then we use all of our rational brain to justify our emotional reaction.

    So what emotions does your content satisfy? What emotions does your content fulfill? Is your content reassuring? Right? Is that help supposed to help somebody feel more secure, more safe? More insulated from harm or risk? Is your content supposed to be angering, right? There is nothing wrong from a strategic perspective, but content that makes people angry because it inspires an emotional reaction.

    Every politician, regardless of philosophy, or perspective, understands the value of pissing people off.

    Right, because it’s how you energize a population, give them something to fight against, give them something to fight for.

    Making better content is about improving those reactions in your audience.

    You know, one of the things that I’m looking at right now it as a speaker is I just got to get down here.

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    It’s got a 360 degree camera.

    Why I want to be able to video during my talks my whole audience.

    I want to see how they react when I’m saying something, right.

    I don’t care about how I react.

    I know how I react.

    It’s the audience themselves.

    I want to know, like, during parts of my talk are people like this? Right, knowing that I’m not engaging them, I’m not saying things that keep their attention.

    On the other hand, I’m looking for those points when people viscerally react.

    How carefully Are you keeping track of your audience’s reactions? I just sent out my newsletter for this week, and I’ve got a decent number of replies in my inbox.

    From people who’s felt very strongly about the topic that I was presenting on this week about AI and inequality.

    Some weeks, I send out a newsletter, nothing, no retweets, no shares, no comments, no replies.

    And those are the weeks that I think content didn’t land.

    Right.

    Other weeks, the inbox fills up, right? Some weeks.

    It’s really busy.

    And those are the weeks I know, the content landed, right? It’s stuck with people, it resonated with people they consumed, and they’re like, I need to say something or do something with this content.

    So if you want to make better content, keep track of what you get reactions to what do people have to say? What do people think? What do you how do people feel about the content you’re making? And if you never get any reactions, you know, you’ve got probably two, or even all three of the three E’s missing from your content, if it’s just not resonating with people.

    On the other hand, if people are like, yeah, I gotta hit reply and tell you exactly how I feel.

    Even if they are telling you that you’re wrong.

    You’re still landed, right? Even if you say something people like, Ah, so I don’t think that’s how it’s done at all.

    That’s okay.

    Because you’ve engaged people, you’ve elicited a reaction, you’ve provoked their emotions in some way.

    Bear in mind that, from an emotional perspective, pissing people off all the time is not a sustainable long term strategy.

    I’ll just put that caution out there.

    It does work for a long time.

    But it has deleterious effects in that people associate your brand with being angry.

    And that’s probably not, again, not the best long term strategy for for marketers.

    Now, if you’re a politician, again, you can make a lot of hay, making people angry all the time, but for marketers, probably not the best overall strategy.

    So that’s some thoughts on how you make unique better content for any kind of marketing, not just content marketing, any kind of marketing at all.

    Good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: How to Make Epic Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: How to Make Epic Content Marketing?

    In today’s episode, Brian asks the very interesting question, “what do you try to do with your content marketing to make it epic?”

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    In today’s episode, Brian asks the very interesting question, what do you try to do with your content marketing to make it epic? I don’t in the sense of, if we look at the three E’s of content, marketing, engaging, educational, and entertaining.

    I’m not necessarily all that great at entertaining.

    In fact, I know I’m not very good at it at entertaining, right? You’re not here for the music, or the lively commentary, or the dancing or whatever, right? The the entertaining angle is largely missing from my content marketing, I am aware of that.

    And I am aware of my limitations as a person as a creator.

    That’s not my my thing.

    That’s not my jam.

    And for the very best content, the content that does really well on YouTube, or Twitter or Facebook or whatever, you need at least two to three, right? You need to be have something that’s emotionally engaging, entertaining, and educational, two out of the three are mandatory, you can do one out of three, he’ll have okay content, right.

    And of course, if you have none of the three, you have terrible content.

    But one out of three isn’t good enough anymore, you need at least two out of three.

    And if you want to succeed in a disproportionate manner, you need all three.

    So the question is, how do you how do you increase your, your scores and e to the three E’s, I feel like I do, okay, on educational on being able to share information that is useful and helpful to people.

    Right, I feel like that’s a reasonably good condition.

    I’ve been working for the last four or five years, on the engaging part, I’m sharing more things that are less purely data, and more points of view and perspectives, things come from my life, things that come from my experience, and therefore, I can speak credibly on them.

    But on the entertainment angle, not a whole lot to show for right now, I do do some art and things here and there.

    And of course, you know, my background in the martial arts is one angle of that sort of expression.

    But I’m not going to start punching people on live video.

    I mean, I could, but it wouldn’t be brand aligned with the kind of content we’re trying to create.

    So my focus is on creating content that is more and more useful.

    And that is more and more engaging, and leaving entertainment out for the time being until I figure out a way to make it consistent with what I want to be known for.

    What I want my company be known for, and most of all, what an audience wants.

    Right what you want, when you’re watching this video, why are you watching this video, you’re hoping probably to learn something like the three E’s of content marketing.

    And the reverse side, the flip side is what I call the three l test, which for me, as a creator in you, as a creator, is a test you have to apply to your content.

    And it stands for laugh, learn love, right? As you create a piece of content, did you learn something? Right? If you didn’t learn anything, when you were putting together a piece of content, and you’re already the subject matter expert, or would like to be, then your audience probably isn’t learning anything either.

    Right? If you just learned something and you’re sharing it, like, hey, check out this cool thing I just learned about chances are, at least somebody else in your audience also didn’t know that, and would benefit from learning from it.

    If you don’t love your content that you’re creating, as you’re creating it enough that you’re willing to share it with people that have no interest in it just because you’re so excited about it.

    That’s a good sign, right? If you take a video like this, and you share it with a friend who’s not ever, ever ever going to be a customer, or consume your marketing there’s that shows that you’ve you yourself have at least been emotionally engaged in your content.

    Right? If you don’t love your own content, no one else is going to love it either.

    Right? If you don’t talk about it to your significant other or your dog or whatever.

    Why would anybody else talk about your content with someone else? What is it that you really love? about your content, do you love making it and if you don’t,

    Christopher Penn 5:04

    maybe it’s time to put a pause on what you’re doing for content marketing and figure out an angle of something that you do love doing that can be coerced into a marketing function, right there.

    There’s no shortage of different ways to apply art, to marketing and to business.

    My, my graduate thesis when I graduated from business school, was on telling the story of migrating a company to modern IT infrastructure, right.

    And the usual format for presentations was a big, big old pile of PowerPoints, and some charts and graphs and things in total snooze fest, right.

    I ended up writing and drawing mine as a medieval tale, right? We have, you know, dragons of information, ignorance and castles of, of it servers.

    And it was at least a different creative spin on what is otherwise a commodity topic.

    I loved it so much I was engaged with an emotionally when I made it, that it resonated well, and even had, you know, an aspect of the entertainment built into it.

    But laugh is the third one, did you your content elicits laughter, or some kind of entertaining statement from you as you’re making it.

    Right? Even now, as I’m recording this thinking back to, you know, my, my graduate thesis does make me laugh, because it was it was a ridiculous project.

    But at that point, I was so fed up with programs like yeah, I’m just gonna do this.

    And whatever grade I get is fine.

    Because as the joke goes, what do you call the person who graduated last their medical class school class called Doctor.

    As long as I passed, that was fine.

    The diploma is the diploma.

    And thinking back through these things, the ability to tell stories and stuff that’s entertainment, too.

    So I don’t try to make my content epic.

    I try to pass my own test the three L’s did I laugh while I was making it? Do you learn something while I was making it, or at least learn a different angle? And do I love it, I love it so much that I will tell my dog about it, even though my dog is never going to consume my content.

    If you pass those tests, honestly, then your content is going to be great.

    But you’ve got to be honest with yourself.

    And if you ask most marketers to take a step back, how much did you honestly love the last email newsletter you made?

    Christopher Penn 7:54

    The answer a substantial amount of time was gonna be I got my job done.

    I got it.

    It’s off my to do list has done.

    Well, it’s done doesn’t mean you loved it.

    Did you love that newsletter know, your audience is gonna love it either.

    I was writing the Trust Insights newsletter for tomorrow.

    And it’s not, you know, it’s not my entire production.

    It’s, it’s a collaborative effort.

    But the part that I wrote, I love that part.

    I truly love that part.

    It’s I’m digging into how we did our version of NPS scores, and it was fun to and digging into the implications.

    And I really love that part of the newsletter that I wrote, when I write my own personal newsletter, I love writing my email newsletter.

    It’s one of the highlights of my week, because I get to communicate to you what I’m working on what I’m thinking about things that might be helpful to you.

    And getting that feedback is is so important to use these capabilities to do some good in the world.

    So that’s what I do instead of trying to make great content marketing and make something epic.

    Make something that passes the three l test.

    Apply the three L tests to your content.

    Be honest with yourself.

    And then once you realize it, your content probably doesn’t pass those tests.

    Start thinking okay, of those three dimensions laugh, learn, love, entertain, engage, educate, which one can you start improving today? Really good question.

    I hope this was useful answer

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  • You Ask, I Answer: What Makes Epic Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: What Makes Epic Content Marketing?

    In today’s episode, Brian asks, “What do you think make some content marketing epic?””

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    In today’s episode, Brian asks, What do you think make some content marketing epic? I’m assuming by Epic, we mean something that’s cool or great and not the geological age.

    You know, with content marketing, there’s the three E’s of content, marketing the things and really of all marketing things that everything that works has to have in some combination, entertaining, educating, and engaging, right.

    So if your content can do at least one of those, well, it’s going to fulfill its purpose.

    If it does two of those, well, it’s probably going to stand out.

    And if you can manage to do all three, you will sort of hit the jackpot.

    So we’re talking about content that entertains not just educates because education is fine anyway, the part imparting of information, that’s a useful thing.

    But we know that just because something educational doesn’t mean it’s fun to watch, right, college was educational, and how many of your college classes did you flip through, even though education was being imparted? So that entertaining aspect really is important.

    To be able to engage people emotionally is important, right? A piece of content doesn’t necessarily have to amuse us, but it should absolutely incite some form of emotional reaction.

    When it engages us.

    All of our decision making as people are based on emotions, right? We make decisions emotionally, and then we look for all the data to back that up to rationalize our decisions.

    So the best content does all three, you look at some of the most popular YouTube channels that don’t have a single state purpose, like Yeah, obviously, your musician predominantly is going to be entertaining and engaging, right, and probably not a ton of education on those channels.

    But the you know, the best musicians do those things very well.

    But look at something like, for example, Google foods on YouTube, or bow of the fifth column.

    These are channels that they agitate, they do entertain, and they engage and maybe score yourself, score your content, score other people’s content on those three dimensions, you will find that the very best stuff tops the charts in all three, you know, in those examples, the channel at Google foods, highly entertaining, right, just a bunch of guys cooking a lot of beef, very educational, lots of experiments, lots of fun, you know, trying to tenderize beef with sparkling water and a variety of other things, and engaging in getting people to react, figuring out character arcs for their various on air hosts, I think all those things make for really great content marketing, and then look at content marketing, that doesn’t top those charts, right? Look at your average white paper, or webinar or ebook, or what have you.

    It becomes pretty clear that’s like, Okay, this is this is educational, I have to do this, watch this thing for my job or read this thing for my job.

    But it’s not thrilling, right? Look at the content that you have that you procrastinate on consuming.

    Right, you know that you should read that ebook.

    You know, you should read that documentation.

    But you don’t why? Because it may be educational, but it’s not entertaining, it’s not engaging.

    And that’s the part that is really tricky with a lot of guidance has been given about content marketing.

    There are excellent, excellent sources.

    You know, Marcus Sheridan, they ask you answer is a really good example Jay Baer is utility is really good concept.

    But both of those resources and all the contents have been created around being helpful as as a content marketing strategy doesn’t have that nuance of being entertaining and engaging.

    Right? It does, you can be 100% useful, but it’s really hard to capture attention.

    And the reason for that is because these devices present the world’s best entertainment than most engaging content and things and your content has got to at least have some of those ingredients or you’re one tap away from a better choice, right? We are not competing against our competitors, right my company trust tenocytes is not just competing against McKinsey or KPMG, or whatever another consulting firm, we’re competing against Netflix, right? We’re competing against YouTube, we’re competing against

    Christopher Penn 5:13

    Bryan Adams or Celine Dion or Aerosmith, or Metallica.

    Anything that the consumer you are spending your time on is time you’re not spending with me.

    Right? So I have to figure out how do I earn more of that time.

    And it means that I need to look at all three of those dimensions, I’ve got to figure out what those dimensions mean, for me and my content and my brand.

    How do I entertain? How do I engage? How do I educate? And how do I improve on all three dimensions, there’s certainly no shortage of gimmicks and things that you can do.

    But at the very least, you’ve got to figure out what things work for you and your brand.

    And that’s really, really difficult.

    Because a lot of the things that work for other people, especially on the entertainment angle, and even on the emotional engagement angle, they don’t work for me, right? I’m not that person, I don’t have that person’s life experience, I don’t have that person’s unique point of view on the world, I have my own.

    So a big part of making your content marketing, epic, is making yourself individually and as a brand, as an organization as a marketing organization, self aware, knowing what is within reach and what is not within reach inventorying the talents of your people.

    Right? What skills do you have outside of marketing that you can bring into your market? And can you paint? Right? This is you know, that’s not a really good example, because I did that with a water gun.

    Can you draw? Can you sing? Can you compose? What are the forms of expression that you’re really good at? And how do you bring that into your work so that a it’s more difficult to replicate and be it’s unique, right? There’s only one you even as a company, even as an organization, there’s only one of your company and the way that your marketing works, is tied to that.

    So that’s what makes content marketing epic.

    When you are fully aligned with your brand, your self, your history, who you are, and you are hitting all three E’s and you’re doing it well.

    That’s how you get to Epic Content Marketing.

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