Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

Category: Marketing

  • You Ask, I Answer: Skills for New Marketers?

    You Ask, I Answer: Skills for New Marketers?

    Chandni asks, “What are the new skills that marketers entering the field need to learn?”

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    Johnny asks, what are the new skills that marketers entering the field need to learn? There’s a lot of new skills.

    There are the obvious ones, for example, like mathematics would be good statistics would be good.

    I think math and stats are something that are deeply overlooked.

    And the ability to use mathematics and statistics to understand data, and be able to draw useful conclusions and make decisions based on data.

    I think those are skills that are essential in today’s data driven world, in today’s AI powered world, you should probably know how these things work in general, not saying you need to go out and get a PhD in applied mathematics, but having an understanding of what the different buttons do in the various platforms of marketing technologies, and sort of what the product does underneath the hood, I think is really important.

    And it’s something that’s dramatically overlooked.

    Another set of skills, and this is gonna sound weird coming from me as a technologist, but another set of skills that are lacking in the population in general, but especially in marketers, and especially in business, are skills around compassion and kindness, empathy.

    So marketing has had a track record of being very self centered, right? By our stuff, here’s our stuff, look at us, aren’t we awesome? Our products are better than the next guy’s products.

    And this self centered marketing has resulted in just really crappy marketing.

    Right? So many marketers out there just making as much noise as possible, in the hopes of attracting attention in the hopes of getting business.

    But attention is the most scarce commodity of all right now.

    You have so many channels, so many apps, so many services, so many things competing for our eyeballs and our ears every single day, that you can’t shout your way to success.

    You just can’t.

    You can’t be louder than the din that we’re all surrounded by.

    And the old traditional way of just yelling louder about how awesome you are just doesn’t work.

    Not enough to drive a business, certainly not enough to scale a business.

    So what does drive business What does scale a business in this environment? That compassion that true customer centricity is what will drive your business, right.

    Being able to be kind being able to be tolerant of people who aren’t like you.

    We as a society, but and we as a profession have gotten into our heads idea of the ideal customer and micro targeting this customer.

    And using AI and machine learning to identify precisely when that customer is ready to buy, not realizing that a good amount of the time, nobody’s ready to buy, right me like one person that’s ready to buy out of 100 at any given moment in time, and the other 99 people ain’t interested in buying.

    And so blasting all 100 of them with a buy now message is pointless.

    Because yes, you might get that one person is ready to buy and get pissed off the other 99 and now they’re never going to buy from you.

    If you approach your marketing from a perspective of customer centricity of compassion, of empathy, which just means putting yourself in the customers shoes and saying, Would I want to receive this marketing? Right if I’m going to send out a big offer and I put myself on the other side of it.

    What I want to buy my own product, right? Think about that when you’re rolling out your your next promotion, put yourself in your customers shoes, pretend you don’t work for your company and say Would I actually care if if I received this promotion or whatever in the mail? The answer is probably no.

    Right? Unless your product is some thing is so awesome that you know, you have no marketing troubles, right? You generally don’t people generally don’t have a hard time convincing somebody else to buy a Tesla, right? If you have the money, and you think electric cars are cool, it’s not a tough sell.

    That skill, the skill of really being in somebody else’s shoes and seeing things from their point of view, isn’t taught not enough.

    And

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    it is essential for making your marketing better.

    Because your marketing has to your communications have to be the kind of thing that another person would just want to get.

    Right? Like, I’m recording these videos now not because I want to improve the SEO on my website, whatever.

    This is a list of questions that somebody actually sent me.

    And I think they’re useful questions, which is why I’m recording these videos, because I think it might help you.

    Right? Now even talking about stuff that I have for sale, because, honestly, I’m not selling this stuff.

    But if it helps you, if it provides an emotional connection to you, if it compels you to think about stuff in and you find it helpful, then hopefully, when down the road, sometime you are that one person out of the 99 others around you who’s ready to buy something that I sell, I’m hopeful that you’ll say hmm, I remember that video series that Chris did, maybe he knows about this thing, I’ll ask him if his company does this thing.

    That requires compassion.

    Compassion is knowing what somebody else is experiencing, and taking action on it, to make it a better experience, right.

    So if you walk by somebody who’s homeless, and you can see that they’re, you know, cold and starving, you have sympathy because you can understand how they feel.

    You might even have empathy, because you might understand like, what it is that they’re going through.

    But if you don’t take action on it, that’s where it stops, where’s compassion be, you take action on it, bringing it into marketing, if you know what the customer wants, and you can deliver it to them.

    Then you have compassion, especially when there’s nothing in it for you.

    Right when you’re marketing, and you’re you’re giving out marketing to somebody, you’re giving somebody content.

    That doesn’t benefit you, not directly.

    But it helps the person who’s receiving it, that is compassion.

    Right.

    And if you can do that, in your marketing, if you have that skill, your marketing will be more successful, because you will not be sending out stuff to people who don’t want it.

    And you will be helping people in some aspect of their lives personally, professionally, it doesn’t matter.

    So that you build your brand.

    So people remember who you are.

    So you improve your reputation, right? Brand is nothing more than reputation.

    If you improve your reputation, by doing good things for other people, and helping other people, with your content with your marketing, then your marketing in the long run will succeed.

    Right? When you do have to send out that sales pitch, people will read it, because you’ve created so much value for them that they are willing to listen you have their attention.

    When you your marketing is imbued with compassion, you earn attention, compassion equals attention.

    Because if I if I as the recipient, know that you’re really helping me every single email you send me there’s something in it for me, every single ebook or YouTube video, whatever, there’s something that’s going to make my life better.

    I’m going to give you my attention.

    Let’s say hi, I really want to read your emails, I want to see your videos, I want to listen to your podcast because you’re helping me.

    And so that is the skill.

    That is the skill that’s going to set apart marketers now and going forward because in an environment where there is no attention, the only way to return to earn attention in a sustainable manner is with compassion to provide that value so that the person has to give you their attention because they keep getting so much value from you.

    Again, this is not new, right this this stuff goes back to literally 1000s of years ago, every major world religion on the planet has There’s pretty much the same rule right, the Golden Rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

    Right? Rabbi Hillel said that which is hateful to your brother do not do that was hateful to you do not do to your brother, right? It’s an every single religion.

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    And yet marketers don’t have that skill.

    So it’s not a new skill that marketers entering the field need to learn, but it is a skill that every marketer needs to learn if you want to succeed.

    Remember this compassion equals attention.

    If you behave with compassion, and your marketing provides value without asking anything in return.

    Then when the person is ready to buy, you will have their attention so that you can make the offer good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Technology Challenges?

    You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Technology Challenges?

    Chandni asks, “What are the technology challenges that marketers face today?”

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    Johnny asks, what are the technology challenges that marketers face today? There’s so many.

    But here’s the secret.

    They’re not technology challenges, above and beyond a certain point.

    So some of the Tech Tech challenges that marketers face, the biggest one is actually data, the cleanliness and correctness and completeness of your data.

    If your data is not complete, clean and correct, then all the fancy new marketing to as technology tools will not work with it.

    It’s it’s like having bad ingredients, right? If you have the best oven in the world, and you have the best recipes, you got a super talented chef, and you bought sand instead of flour.

    You’re not making cake, or bread or anything edible, right? No, it doesn’t matter how good everything else is that the ingredients are bad, you’re out of luck.

    And so when it comes to technology challenges for marketers, more often than not, it is those ingredients that are the problem and not the technology themselves.

    If we think about the different ways to address technology, let’s use the framework that my company Trust Insights uses called a five p framework, purpose, people process platform performance.

    Anytime you’re evaluating a technology, you’re talking about the platform, one of the five pieces.

    The first question you got to ask is what is the purpose? What are you trying to do? What is the end state you’re trying to reach? If you are trying to do say, lead scoring, and you’ve got a bunch technology that has nothing to do with lead management, then you’ll have a technology challenge, you have a purpose problem, you have a complete misalignment of your technology with the intended outcome.

    So you got to be clear on your purpose first.

    Second, is your people.

    This is where most of the problems that plague marketers actually exist, it is not in the technology because technology is agnostic.

    Yes, different products have different features here and there.

    But it always comes down to the people.

    Do your people have the right skills? And more important? Do your people have the right aptitudes? And within aptitude is attitude.

    If you have people who are firmly fixed and whose response to anything new is always well, this is the way we’ve always done it, you’re doomed.

    Right, you are doomed update your LinkedIn profile, because your company’s going out of business sooner or later.

    If that’s the attitude that people have within your organization, you are in a lot of trouble.

    And again, this is not a technology challenge.

    But it impacts technology, because those same people will be the decision makers to say no, we don’t need to evaluate new technology for our CRM.

    No, we don’t need to lead.

    You know better lead scoring.

    No, we don’t need to be looking at artificial intelligence.

    Those people are the roadblocks to your progress.

    The ones who say this is the way we’ve always done it, and we’re not going to make any changes.

    You want people who have an attitude of curiosity, of perseverance, of openness, of eagerness passion about the work they’re doing.

    It doesn’t have to be obviously, you know, all consuming you want people will like working 18 hour days, but they should like what they do.

    Your next area is process, what processes do you have in place to leverage your technology? Are you still having the intern copy paste eight hours a day? To get data ready for your technology platform? If you do, you’ve got a process problem.

    And it could be solved in some cases by technology.

    But it’s really a process problem.

    Then you get to the platform itself, the technologies what technologies are using and are they the right fit for the problem you’re trying to solve? This is particularly troublesome in data science.

    When are we talking about data engineering and data storage? How is your data being stored what formats what engines are being used to store that data? It is.

    It is not a technology problem.

    It is a sometimes sometimes a vendor selection problem, but is almost always a requirements problem.

    You didn’t document what you needed to get the work done that you needed to have done and so you bought some technology that then does not fit the purpose? Same as buying a car, right? You wanted the sports car, because it looks cool.

    But you needed the station wagon to haul crap around.

    You can’t fit more like more than a hat in the trunk of a sports car.

    Right? What you really needed, right? It probably was a pickup truck.

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    And that’s a failure of requirements.

    There’s nothing wrong with the technology, right? The sports car is designed to be a sports car, the pickup is designed to be a pickup, what went wrong was the requirements gathering and said, I need to to look cool, okay.

    But I also need to haul, you know, half a ton of stone around every now and again, you’re not doing that in a sports car.

    And finally, horses measurement.

    Performance, is the technology the people in the processes you have doing what you intended, are you achieving your purpose? And again, this is something that marketers don’t measure well, and as a result, they don’t necessarily deliver very well on you got to do that.

    Right? You’ve got to be able to dig in and say, yes, we’ve met our goals, no, we’ve not met our goals, we are 60% of the way to our goals, and so on and so forth.

    So be very careful is my my watch would here be very, very careful with what you deem a technology problem because a lot of the cases it’s not a technology problem.

    Even though every tech vendor would like to convinced you that it is so that you buy their stuff.

    It 90 ish percent of the time is going to be a people problem or process problem.

    If you fix that.

    You may find that the technology you have can be coerced into doing what you want.

    Or at worst, you have a good solid business case for why you need to change technologies once you fully understand the scope of the problem you’re trying to address.

    So really good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Business Intelligence Tools for Marketers?

    You Ask, I Answer: Business Intelligence Tools for Marketers?

    Chandni asks, “What new age business intelligence tools would you recommend for marketers?”

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    Johnny asks, what New Age business intelligence tools would you recommend for marketers? New Age like, like healing crystals and stuff? I’m assuming you mean, what new? What new technologies? Would I recommend for marketers? I wouldn’t.

    Here’s why.

    Business Intelligence tools are like appliances.

    Right? an appliance, like a blender, for example, is only as good as the person using it.

    The ingredients that go into it, and the recipe you’re trying to make.

    Recommending a, you know, a shiny or faster, more powerful blender doesn’t help if you don’t know what a blender is, or how to use one properly.

    Right? Let’s say you’re making smoothies, should you be using a blender? Yes.

    Because making a smoothie by hand sucks.

    If you’re making steak, should you use a blender? Oh, oh, you shouldn’t? Not for any reason, I can’t think of a single application where that makes sense.

    So there are all these business intelligence tools out there.

    There’s classics like SPSS, there’s Tableau, there’s Alteryx.

    There’s our studio and Python and Google Data Studio, and you name it, there’s so many to choose from.

    And here’s the secret that vendors don’t want you to know that for the most part, they all pretty much do the same thing.

    There are little differences here.

    And there.

    Certainly user interface and customer support and stuff are valid differentiators.

    But in terms of the core functionality, business intelligence tools are about as different as blenders are right.

    So you can get a super high end, you know, 900 Vitamix, or you can get, you know, the Amazon Basics, you know, a99 blender.

    And they fundamentally do the same thing, right? They blend things, how well they blend things, how long the motor lasts and stuff.

    Those are the differentiators quality of build, service and support.

    same was true for BI tools.

    There are different BI tools that fit like what cloud platform you’re tied into, like Power BI, if you’re a Microsoft shop, you’re probably using Power BI whether you want to or not.

    If you’re an IBM shop, you’re using Watson Studio, again, whether you want to or not.

    So the question then becomes, well, if the tool isn’t the differentiator, what is the answer is you.

    What I recommend for marketers is not more tools, right? If you got a blender, you don’t need a second blender.

    Even though every blender vendor out there would like you to buy their blender, you don’t need more than one, maybe two, if you’re afraid that that one’s going to break.

    Same with BI tools, it’s not a question of do you need a better tool? Unless the tool you’ve bought is horrendous.

    The bigger question is, do you know how to use the ones you have? And do you know I have a book of recipes, and you have the right ingredients? So let’s presume and say you have the right ingredients, you’ve got good data, and it’s clean, which is admittedly a very large assumption.

    Do you personally know the different statistical techniques that your BI tool is performing? Do you know what questions to ask of it? Do you know when you should use regression versus classification? Do you know the different types of regression? That knowledge which is kind of like recipes, recipes and techniques and cooking, right? That knowledge is what’s going to make a BI tool useful.

    So it’s not the tool, it’s the person using the tool.

    And so I would recommend marketers that you learn the basics of data science, you don’t have to become a data scientist, right? You don’t have to go back and study calculus and linear algebra and stuff like that.

    But you should know, for example, what are the different kinds of types of regression, you know, what are the different types of classification? There’s binary classification multinomial classification.

    You should know what those things mean.

    You don’t need to know the math behind them necessarily, but you should know if you open a BI tool.

    What all these buttons do and what do they mean.

    Right.

    When you look at a blender, and you look at the control panel for blender, you should at least have a general idea of what each button does.

    You don’t have to know the specifics.

    You don’t have to know how electricity flows through the electromagnets to powers the motor and all that stuff.

    That’s that’s not helpful.

    But if there’s a smoothie button There’s a soup button, you probably should know the difference between the two.

    The same thing is true your BI tools.

    If a tool is saying, here’s some regression, here’s some prediction, here’s some classification.

    What is it mean? What are the buttons do? When do I use? Any given button?

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    Do you push this button? When you have data from Excel? Do you push this button your data from Google Analytics? How do you reconcile all these different options? When you know that, when you learned that, and you can make really good informed decisions with your BI tool, then you’re cooking? Right? Then you’re able to make the most of what you have.

    And as of that point, we can then say, and make an informed decision.

    Yeah, actually, the 99 blood dollar blender is not cutting it anymore, we need to do something a little higher end.

    But you’ll know why.

    You’ll know what things your BI tool can and cannot do.

    If you’re trying to do, for example, like x g boost, and the tool you have only does linear regression, you can say yeah, yeah, we need to upgrade, because the techniques that we want to use are not available in our tool.

    But it has to be driven by your business requirements, by your data requirements.

    And by the skills of people on your team.

    One of the big challenges with a lot of BI tools is that yeah, they all have like, you know, Swiss Army Knife stuff, have, you know, all sorts of different techniques.

    But do you know what to do with it? Do you know when to apply each of these techniques, and that’s what sets apart not only BI tools, but that’s what sets apart people in the organization.

    I know when to use this technique versus that technique.

    Right? It’s like cooking, do you know when to blend and when to fry or to broil? They’re different, they’re very different.

    Again, if you’re making steak, you’re probably gonna want to boil maybe fried definitely never blend.

    So that’s what I would recommend.

    I can almost certainly guess there are a number of people who work at vendors saying I wish you had mentioned my tool.

    And look, I’m sure your tool is great.

    In the hands of somebody incompetent, it’s useless.

    In the hands of somebody who’s proficient, it does amazing things.

    Your challenge as a vendor is to make more people who are competent at business intelligence in general.

    And your tool just happens to be the vehicle by which they do their work.

    But if you don’t have that audience of people who are really good at business intelligence at the mathematical and statistical techniques, the developing the shyness tool in the world won’t help because it’s like owning a blender that you never use.

    So really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Metaverse Impact on Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: Metaverse Impact on Marketing?

    Chandni asks, “Is the metaverse going to change everything? How can brands prepare?”

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    Johnny asks, Is the metaverse going to change everything? How can brands prepare? A drink but this one? No.

    The Metaverse is not a new idea, by any means, right? As much as, as Mark Zuckerberg and company would like to tell us that this is the promised future.

    It isn’t.

    We’ve had meta versus before, maybe not with VR application of VR technology.

    But we’ve had meta vs and virtual worlds.

    This is not a new concept.

    I mean, go back to the 90s.

    And you have Neil Stevenson, Snow Crash.

    I mean, that was one of the first really fleshed out meta verses, go back to 2006.

    And you have second life from Linden Labs, which I confess, I spent an awful lot of time in and back then people are saying, this is the future.

    This is it.

    This is where everything’s going to happen.

    It was cool, right? A virtual reality world that was an open world, what that you could build in kinda like, you know, it was like a more technically complex version of Minecraft.

    And then fast forward to worlds like Minecraft, where you have these meta verses where there’s transactions and you know, building in an open environments.

    what Facebook is trying to position as the future is not new.

    And it’s not going to change everything, for a variety of reasons.

    Number one, the barrier to entry is still too expensive, right? Even though we’ve had virtual reality, adapters and stuff for smartphones and to be able to generate the virtual worlds.

    It still sucks as an experience, right? And these devices, right are even at 199 or 299 $399.

    Us.

    This is a luxury item, right? It’s a it’s a unit Tasker, it does one thing, right? It does virtual reality.

    You can’t go driving a car with us on yet probably shouldn’t be, you know, just wearing it around in general life.

    I mean, I guess you could, but it would be dramatically unsafe.

    Compare that to these guys.

    Right? The ubiquitous smartphone, which is everywhere, which is your portal to the hybrid world.

    Facebook’s motivations for the metaverse are pretty clear, right? The more you get people into a virtual system where you can measure and track everything and eye movement, and interactions, the more you can advertise to those people, and the better your targeting can get and the more your machine learning algorithms can learn.

    Facebook doesn’t need any more information, right? Especially given the most recent round of legal revelations where it was shown that they had very clear knowledge of how their data was being misused.

    And they did literally nothing about it.

    This is not a company that needs any more data.

    So is this Metaverse going to change everything? No, in the same way the cryptocurrency and blockchain itself is not going to change everything.

    These are interesting technologies with very, very high barriers to entry and limited applications right now.

    Now in 10 years, could that be different? Absolutely.

    Right.

    in 10 years, the barrier to entry may be much lower, the cost of the experience may be much better, and that will be great.

    I still wouldn’t trust a Metaverse assembled by Facebook because as a company, they’re fundamentally untrustworthy.

    But you got a ways to go.

    Again, back in 2006, when Linden labs released second life, you had brands leaping in left and right building their own islands, releasing branded content now, you know, branded clothing and hats and, and all sorts of crazy stuff, holding concerts and other virtual experiences.

    And it was a niche.

    It was a niche environment.

    There were probably, I would say, maybe a couple 100,000 people in that universe.

    At any given time.

    There are several million users.

    But it was still a very high barrier to entry not from a computing perspective, just from a a time perspective, because you had to jump into this virtual world and interact with it and spend a lot of time in it.

    We have had persistent virtual worlds now for decades, Blizzard Entertainment’s World of Warcraft first debuted in 2004.

    And other than, you know, for obvious things like system maintenance,

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    that has been a persistent virtual world for the last, what, 18 years? Does it change everything? No, it didn’t? Did it provide people with a particular kind of experience? Yes.

    For what brands should be thinking about? The question is with any technology, how does it amplify the the inherent brand attributes that your brand has, if your brand is an experiential brand, say like you’re a musician, then a virtual world may be a great fit for you to be able to get your content to a wider audience to get it to new audiences that you haven’t met.

    If your brand is selling industrial, concrete, virtual probably is not the first place you should be spending your marketing dollars.

    Now, once you’ve satisfied all your other marketing needs, and you’ve done a really great job of building your brand and you have global recognition, then yeah, you can afford to divert some marketing budget as a test to see how it works.

    But should you be going all in on it? Know, in the same way that I would say a brand shouldn’t be going all in on creator coins or NF T’s? There are some use cases where that technology makes a lot of sense, but not many, right? In terms of how you prepare? It’s fundamentally no different than preparing for any new technology.

    You’ve learned about it, you understand what it is? And then you try to figure out is it a good fit? And if it is a good fit, then you run a pilot project, you see, can we test the waters and see if this thing makes sense? Can we ask our customers if they would be interested in interacting with us in that environment? Right now, people have so much choice when it comes to content, so much choice when it comes to experiences that it’s very hard to get consumers to pick up anything new B2B or B2C? The most scarce resource we have today is attention.

    The fact that you are watching and hearing these words at all, I am immensely thankful to you for spending, you know, seven minutes of your time.

    That is that is the most valuable currency.

    And so expecting somebody to strap a headset on and then invest hours of their life.

    Yes, there will be some people that that is their jam, right? And if those people are also your customers, then the metaverse is for you.

    The majority of the population though, probably is not going to be hanging out there any more than the majority of the population adopted second life back in the day when it was available on desktop computers that of the time it didn’t require any extra special equipment.

    So that would be my take on on it.

    If the concept takes off.

    It will be for it will take a long time to do that.

    Right.

    It will not be immediate, but interesting question.

    Take all things with Metaverse with a grain of salt right now.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Data Trends for Marketers?

    You Ask, I Answer: Data Trends for Marketers?

    Chandni asks, “What’s the next data trend to impact marketing teams?”

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    In today’s episode, Johnny asks, what’s the next data trend to impact marketing teams? Well, here’s the thing.

    There’s a lot that we know is coming down the pike in terms of data privacy, right data privacy, privacy, safe machine learning, privacy, safe data collection, and such that is absolutely going to impact marketers now, whether marketers and marketing teams know this or not.

    That is the big question.

    The laws have been passed, some have taken effect already, many are on their way.

    For example, the biggest one is California’s CPRA, which will take effect January 1 2023.

    One of the big, big changes in this law compared to CCPA, which was passed and went into effect in 2020, is that CCPA said, companies above a certain size, may not sell consumer data without consent without permission.

    The CPRA changes that to say, sell or share.

    So if you were doing a webinar, say with with my company Trust Insights, and in the past, we’d come to an agreement that we would co brand this and such, and I administered it, I wouldn’t be able to share that data with you, I would not be able to share that data with you, unless the consumer had opted in to having the data being shared, right.

    And so that changes a lot of how companies, especially B2B companies do their work.

    Right? Because instead of being able to share data, now, you have to obtain consent.

    And from a consumer perspective, right, you and I are consumers makes total sense.

    I prefer that as a consumer that you asked me for my permission before you go sharing my data with somebody, regardless of whether money changes hands or not, that data is still valuable.

    And so the big data trend that we as marketers need to be paying attention to for the next two to five years is privacy safe data collection, what data you’re collecting.

    More important, what are you doing with the data? If you’re collecting all this information, and you never act on it? Why Why bother? Right? Why collected unused data is a financial waste because it costs money to store it, it costs money to audit it, it costs money to process it.

    It is a security risk is massive security risk, right? unused data, is just waiting for somebody to break in and steal it, the less you have to steal, the less liability you have, right? If you are collecting, you know, first and last and date of birth and social security number and home address and home phone number.

    But all you ever do is email people get rid of everything else except the email address.

    You’re not using it, you’re not making good decisions with it.

    One of the things that I think is really important for marketers to think about is of the data that you do have, how much of it is predictive? So let’s say you have somebody’s postal code, right? You’re collecting postal code, zip code in the USA postal code in other parts of the world.

    If you apply data science to that, that feature among all the other features in your data set, what predictive power does it have? Does it tell you the propensity of somebody to make a purchase, right, if somebody from a certain zip code has a higher propensity to purchase and others and that’s useful information.

    On the other hand, if you run a sophisticated statistical analysis, and you find that there is no predictive power in that piece of data, stop collecting it, just turn it off because it’s not helping you write same with somebody, you know, home address.

    If that information does not help you predict the business outcome you care about, stop collecting it, it’s not helping, on the other hand, keep the things that do have predictive power.

    And that is not I wouldn’t call that a trend.

    I would call that a best practice.

    Do that analysis to figure out what data has predictive power and what data does not all of the information you collect, and know the information you store Other data trends, right now, I would say probably one of the largest ones that people are still in the very beginning stages of is actually harnessing artificial intelligence for marketing purposes.

    Many software vendors are, are doing it, but marketers themselves are not because of time of cost.

    And, frankly, because the outputs may not necessarily make a whole lot of sense.

    And so

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    I would say that in the next two to five years, marketers, particularly the larger companies, you know, enterprises will have to start using artificial intelligence, if they want to be able to unlock the value of all this data that they collected.

    It’s like, data is an ingredient, right? And we’ve been collecting data for years and years and years.

    It’s like having a pantry, our basement full of of ingredients.

    And we don’t really cook with them, right? We just collect and collect and collect.

    That’s not helpful, right? Whereas if we start to use AI to process that data to reduce it to make it actionable, that’s where advantage lays that’s where that’s where the good stuff is.

    So whether or not that is an actual trend, I don’t know.

    But that is the direction people need to go if they want to make use of the data they have and make better decisions.

    So really good question on data trends when it comes to marketing.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: GDPR and Email Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: GDPR and Email Marketing?

    Noreen asks, “I am ramping up emails in EU, and am looking for current best practices in terms of emailing with respect to the GDPR rules. Do you use outside services to warm up your cold leads so they are compliant with GDPR?”

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    In today’s episode Norine s, I am ramping up emails in the EU and I am looking for current best practices in terms of emailing with respect to GDPR rules.

    Do any of you folks use outside services to warm up your cold leads? So they are compliant with GDPR? You can’t you can’t do that.

    GDPR, which is the general data protection regulation in the EU passed in 2018, all enacted into law became operable in 2018.

    Explicitly forbids this exact thing.

    You cannot email, a cold list of leads, you can’t.

    Because you don’t have consent.

    And more importantly, you don’t have consent for marketing purposes.

    Right? That is what GDPR really focuses in on is do you not just have blanket consent, but do you have consent for the individual purposes.

    So if you collect data for sales purposes, and you’ve gotten permission from the user to do that, you cannot use it for marketing purposes.

    Just like if you collect data for customer service purposes, you cannot use it for marketing purposes, you have to ask for that consent separately.

    And if you don’t follow the rules, the fees, the fines, and the penalties are really, really bad and really, really strict.

    We’re talking millions of dollars potentially in fines far more far beyond what anything in the United States has for unsolicited for improper use of data.

    So suppose you have a list of email addresses, what can you do with it in and still be compliant with GDPR.

    much about the only thing you could do is hash it, which means encrypt it, and then load the encrypted version into a system of advertising that allows you to send retargeted ads towards those individuals asking them to opt in or asking them you know, basically advertising like your newsletter, or what have you.

    And even that, you’d want to ask a lawyer, if you’re allowed to do that, right? Because under the law, if you have somebody’s personal information, and they didn’t give you consent for it, I’m not sure you can even use it for that, again, check with a lawyer, I am not a lawyer.

    This is not a lawyer here in any way, shape, or form.

    Honestly, the safest thing to do would be to take that list of cold leads and shred it, right or hit the delete key and make it go away.

    So that you are not in possession of information you should not have, and you’re not tempted to use it.

    So what do you do instead? How do you build and grow a marketing list that is GDPR compliant.

    Ads, right? run ads in the target market, not using personal information just using aggregated demographics, or firma graphics or whatever, advertising your stuff.

    Do any normal inbound marketing, right? So create great content that people in the EU can find and subscribe to your stuff, make a podcast, make videos on YouTube and all the inbound methods where a person comes to you and proactively and voluntarily gives you consent to use your information for marketing data that is okay that will pass muster in the EU, in China in California and all the places where we’re data privacy regulation exists and is stringent.

    Inbound Marketing, a permission based marketing is the easiest, simplest and legally strongest way of doing your marketing.

    Again, run ads to ads are a little bit more outbound.

    But again, if you’re using a system like Google ads or YouTube ads or whatever, and you’re not retargeting based on data that you shouldn’t have you just using general advertising targeting get that’s totally fine.

    There are no legal issues with doing broad based awareness based advertising to big market segments, right.

    So you’re targeting business owners or you’re targeting people Between the ages of 45 and 54, or you’re targeting people in the country of Belgium, all that totally cool, legally compliant, and will not get you into trouble.

    One of the things to be careful of,

    Christopher Penn 5:16

    and I think this is relevant given the nature of the question is that, before you do any of these campaigns, go to your website, and make sure that all of your forms and data collection are compliant, right? Have your legal team or your legal counsel or your your law firm or whoever review at all, review your privacy policies and things like that, to make them GDPR compliant.

    They should be already like GDPR has been in effect since 2018.

    So if you’re doing business in the EU, and you’re not compliant, you are playing, you’re playing Russian roulette with a semi automatic, which if you don’t know, those are not as relevant anyway, it’s a bad idea, right? You want to make sure that if you were doing business in the EU, if you are illegal entity that does business with it, the people who are within the EU.

    And by the way, that applies to everybody within the physical borders, not just EU citizens.

    So if you’re an American, who is in Paris, while you are in Paris, you are subject to the rules of GDPR.

    Because you are on European territory.

    And so for that time GDPR applies to you.

    So a company emailing you, and they didn’t have your consent to send you marketing email, if you get that email while you’re in Paris, you could press charges against that company.

    So go through and make sure that all of your website, all your data collection techniques are all compliant, to make sure that you’re not going to be massively illegally exposed.

    Within within the EU and by the way, within China, and especially after 2023 In California, in the United States because California CPRA.

    Regulations take effect January 120 23.

    And they are much more stringent than the CCPA registered legislation that is in effect now and took effect I believe in 2020.

    So good question.

    Take any information that you do not have consent for and toss it.

    It is it is radioactive.

    Just throw it away.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • Mind Readings: Dedication and Consistency

    Mind Readings: Dedication and Consistency

    In today’s Mind Readings, some thoughts about your marketing and the importance of consistency. When you’re inconsistent in your marketing cadence, what message does that send to your audience?

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    In today’s mind readings, a bit of a mess, scolding, almost, of dedication and consistency.

    I got an email newsletter today from a company I’ve done business with in the past.

    I hadn’t gotten an email newsletter from them in a while, it’s been a least a couple of months, if not more.

    And you could tell that they just, you know, tossed it out there.

    And there was a couple of news articles, you know, summarize and an opening greeting from some salesperson.

    And then, of course, a big old sales pitch in the middle of it.

    And it bugged me, it bugged me because when you are inconsistent in your marketing, and when you are undisciplined in your marketing, you’re saying, you’re implying a whole bunch of things that you probably don’t want to be implying remarketing.

    Number one, your lack of consistency shows a lack of dedication, right, that shows a lack of discipline internally in your marketing team.

    And as with all indicators, it’s one of those things that makes you question Well, if the company can’t even send out its newsletter on time, on a regular basis, if it’s just sort of an afterthought, why would I want to do business with them? Because maybe, maybe all their stuff is like that, maybe they’re just a crap show everywhere within their companies, right? So that’s one thing that that lack of consistency, and that lack of discipline, in their marketing, may be indicative of bigger problems, right? It’s like, going out on a first date with somebody and they just start stealing all the food off your plate, like is this gonna be a thing? This is an indicator of a lack of boundaries, that that could be concerning.

    But the bigger thing that bugs me is that this email, both the lack of consistency on the content, and it shows a lack of respect to the audience shows a lack of giving value to the audience, the intent of this company, and the intent of the marketing team of this company is very, very clear.

    They are like that one friend who only reaches out to you when they need something, right? Otherwise, you never hear from that friend.

    And you like them again.

    When you’re not consistent when you are giving.

    And when you’re not delivering value with your marketing, you’re implicitly saying that your audience only matters to you when you need something from them, right? We all we got to hit our sales numbers for the quarter, send out some emails, right, or our numbers are down this month, send out some emails.

    Instead of saying we need to provide value to the people who have consented, who have who have volunteered to get stuff from us.

    We need to keep providing the value and a lot of it over time consistently, in a dedicated way, so that they understand we value them so that they understand we think highly of them that we respect them.

    And when you do that, when you show that respect to your audience and give them value, and don’t ask for as much back as in terms of value as you give, then asking is easier.

    Right? It’s much easier to ask for something, when not to say that your relationship with the audience should be transactional.

    But if you’ve been giving value for 52 weeks, and you’re a big ask every 13th week, it’s still kind of a 12 to one ratio, right of you.

    You’re giving you’re giving you’re giving you’re giving, can we ask for something you’re giving, you’re giving, you’re giving you’re giving Can we ask for something.

    That’s the best way to make sure that your audience feels respected, feels valued, understands the value you provide wants you in their inbox or in their social media channel or the YouTube channel or wherever it doesn’t matter.

    It’s all it’s all agnostic.

    But when you give way more than you take, and when you give consistently, you’re saying to the audience, this is a mutually beneficial relationship.

    Right? This is, this helps us both.

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    And your audience and your numbers should reflect that.

    Right? If they don’t, you may need to check the value proposition of what you’re asking for.

    Because you’re asking for a whole bunch of money.

    And you haven’t given equivalent value, there may be a disparity in the exchange of value there.

    But especially when it comes to email marketing, create that discipline internally.

    email marketing, if you’re if you’re doing it well.

    email marketing should not be an afterthought.

    It should not be just something to check off on the weekly checklist of things to do, it should be something that you’re giving to somebody.

    Right? My friend Ann Handley says email newsletters are distorted by marketers, right? Marketers focus so much on the news part, and not enough on the letter.

    And I don’t know about you, but most of the time, when I do get letters from people, they’re written to me, right? Whether it’s an email or a paper, or what have you.

    And when you approach your email marketing with that same lens, that same perspective, and you’re writing a letter to your friends, essentially, every week, every month, or whatever, give value in the same way that you would give value to in a letter you would actually write to your friends.

    And yes, you could have some news in there too.

    Hey, we’ve got this new thing on sale, that’s fine.

    As long as it’s not the majority of the of the content, right, the content puts the audience member first, and gives them the value that they expect and earns you a place in their brain so that when they have a need, they know who to call.

    Don’t be like this other company that is the desperate friend.

    Desperate acquaintance really because at that point, that person is not a friend.

    Don’t be the desperate acquaintance.

    Don’t be the stalker.

    Acquaintance is like, only shows up when they need something.

    It’s not a good look for a person and definitely not a good look for your brand.

    Thanks for watching.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Data Preparation Pain Points?

    You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Data Preparation Pain Points?

    Naomi asks, “What is the biggest pain point for you in marketing data preparation?”

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    In today’s episode, Naomi asks, What is the biggest pain point for you in data preparation? Well, gosh, there’s so many things that can go wrong in data preparation.

    The biggest pain point, though, is that the data you have is not clean or complete.

    So very often what happens, particularly with marketing data, even with services like Google Analytics, is the data isn’t either complete, or is improperly collected, or, in some cases is just wrong.

    So for example, let’s say you have Google Analytics on your website, and you change themes.

    And you forget to put your tracking codes in the new theme.

    And you don’t notice this until the end of the month, when you go to do your reporting.

    The unfortunate truth here is that you’re out of luck, right? There’s no way to get that data back, it’s permanently gone.

    And so you’ve got a pretty big problem at that point, the data that you have, you can report on what you do have, but you’re missing a bunch, right? Is that sort of like a global shortage.

    And there are techniques to help mitigate something like that, especially if you are only missing a little bit of data, and you have an overwhelming amount of other data to work with? There are techniques called imputation methods that can guess essentially make a best guess at what happened on those days.

    But as we all know, there are marketing anomalies all the time, you may have had a tweet take off that day, you may have had an ad do really well, someone may have dropped an email.

    And imputation is going to guess based on things like predictive mean.

    So essentially trying to average out all of your other data and make a best guess as to what should have been that spot.

    If you had a successful anomaly that day.

    It’s not going to be picked up, right.

    And so things like your attribution analysis, as well as just basic reporting, are not going to be correct.

    So that’s one of the things that’s a big pain point.

    Another one is we have incorrect data.

    So again, let’s say you’ve got a website, and you’re running Google Analytics.

    Actually, no, let’s go do with this one, you’re doing your email marketing, right? And you’re trying to guess the open rate of your email marketing.

    But what you realize is that Apple’s mail privacy protection is auto opening, every email that you send to anybody who use the Mail app on iPhone or the back, and things like that.

    And so your data is there.

    But it’s not correct.

    Right? Is it is functionally incorrect, changed by this technology.

    And you can no longer rely on that information.

    Because it’s not real.

    It’s not what you’re trying to gauge, you’re trying to decide, are the emails that we’re sending out to people? Are they being open.

    And if a machine is opening every single email, then you don’t know that whether a person ever put eyes on that or not, or if it’s just done by a machine.

    And so that’s an example of where you have corrupted data, right.

    And you can have the same thing with Google Analytics, too, right? You have bots, and spam traffic showing up in new Google Analytics.

    It looks 10,000 visitors yesterday to your website, but 9900 of them were automated traffic.

    Again, that’s not something that you can easily repair.

    The challenge with all these different ways our data goes wrong is that in many cases, they’re not repairable.

    And they’re not something we can go back and re get, right.

    We can’t go back in time.

    We can only collect data and process data from right now moving forward.

    So if you’ve got bad data in your wherever it is, you store your data.

    And you don’t know that it’s bad.

    You could be making really bad reports and really bad forecasts from it.

    So that’s the biggest point in Data Prep is knowing whether your data is any good or not.

    Because if it is good, then you can work with it.

    You can do statistics and data science and machine learning and artificial intelligence, and all the fun stuff.

    But if your data is bad, you can’t do any of that.

    It’s like cooking, right? No matter what cool appliances you own, no matter how skilled you are as a chef, if your ingredients are bad,

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    there’s not much you’re cooking, right? If you if you had meant to buy flour, and instead you got sand, I don’t care how good a cook you are, you’re not making anything edible.

    Right? So that’s really is the the biggest pain point in data preparation.

    And a lot of companies that do you know, data preparation services, IBM has it built into Watson Studio, this tableau Data Prep and things like that.

    There’s all these different tools that makes the processing and the preparing of data better and easier.

    But none of them can address bad data, you know, poor data quality, none of them ever will be able to no matter what a vendor promises, there is no tool ever that will be invented that will go back in time and get you clean data from from the past.

    I mean, if you do have a time machine, I think I can think of better things to do with that than than fixing your marketing data.

    But good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • Mind Readings: Why Marketing Case Studies May Be Ineffective

    Mind Readings: Why Marketing Case Studies May Be Ineffective

    A case study means different things to a student versus a marketer. Find out why marketing case studies are so terrible and why marketing could learn a thing or two from academia’s case studies.

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    Alright, let’s talk case studies, case studies, case studies.

    What is the case study? When you look at the traditional term and the way it’s been used, particularly in places like Harvard, for example, a case study is a documentation of something that happened that worked, that we all want to learn from.

    So how did Apple pioneer the graphical user interface? How did Michelin tire recover from petroleum shortages? How did T Mobile change its customer focus strategy? All these things are things that you’ve probably seen case studies like this, they’re multi page documents, which follow a pretty standard format of the problem, the impact, and then the solution and the details of the solution.

    And if you’ve been to business school, you’ve taken business school classes, you have seen case studies, if you’re like me, you came to dread case studies, because they were long and not particularly entertaining.

    However, they’re valuable.

    They’re valuable, because they teach us things, right.

    They tell us a story, maybe not in the most compelling way.

    But they tell us a story that we can learn from, that we can garner insights from and ideally apply those insights to our own businesses and things like that.

    So why is this a bit of a ranting? Well, because what we do as marketers, and what we publish as marketers that we call case studies really aren’t right? Go to any company’s website, particularly in B2B, but any company has got some case studies on their website and read through them.

    Do they read like a Harvard Business Review case study? Or do they read like an advertisement? Right? I can’t count the number of cases studies I’ve read on other companies, websites, which don’t teach you anything at all.

    So here’s the problem that the customer had, and look how awesome we are, we solve the customers problem and made them all this money, or save them all this time, or reduced employee churn, whatever.

    And I get that, I totally understand that the point of that as from a marketing perspective, is to demonstrate your competence to demonstrate your abilities.

    But it’s not a case study, it’s just an ad, is just an advertisement.

    And mislabeling at a case study is lying.

    Because the point of a study is for you to be able to study something to study what is written, and learn from it.

    A piece of paper that just says, and we’re an awesome company, we solve this, you know, this business problem doesn’t teach anybody anything, except that you are incredibly self centered.

    And quite possibly not telling the truth.

    If you’re not willing to reveal any of the details about how you did it, that the results you’re presenting may actually just be accidental, your product service doesn’t actually work.

    So what’s the solution here? If companies just are publishing things that are not case studies? Well, there’s a couple things, one, for companies that actually publish real case studies where you can learn something from them learn a lot of things from them.

    as audience members, it is our job to reward them with attention to to highlight true proper case studies and say, look, here’s a company that has done it.

    Right.

    Right.

    Here’s a company that has published a case study that really teaches somebody something and even if you have no intention of buying from this company, you still learned something, you still learn something that you could apply to your own business, make your own business better, and perhaps down the road, you will buy something from them.

    Because bashing a company for having just an ad, instead of a case study doesn’t really do any good.

    Partly because so many case studies really are just ads and partly because that negative attention doesn’t change behavior, right? As marketers, we’re accustomed to people hating our marketing or custom people saying, Wow, that’s and so receiving additional feedback, but in our case, they suck doesn’t really resonate, right.

    doesn’t make us feel bad enough to change was like, oh, whatever just you know, another another uninsured prospect, another uninterested prospect.

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    Whereas if we pivot to giving companies positive attention that do a good job of teaching, in their case studies, that that qualitative feedback may be enough to encourage at least that company to continue doing that, but also to change the behavior of folks in our industry to say like, when you do it, right, you get rewarded.

    When you do it, right, you get a cookie.

    And that can cross departments, right? It can be something where really positive feedback, that company cuts, the people who work in marketing and marketing can boil that up to the executives and their stakeholders and say, look at what a great job we’re doing.

    All these people said they love our case studies.

    And that anecdotal affirmation actually goes a long way, inside companies, especially in companies, where marketing folks are trying really hard to prove that the work they’re doing matters and that it resonates with people.

    So here’s what I would ask of you.

    First, if your existing case studies really are nothing more than ads, just call them ads.

    Right? Second, if all you’re just in case studies really are just ads, try creating one that is really and truly a case study that if you submitted it to the Harvard Business Review, for peer review, it would actually get approved.

    Right? So go to that length to say like, yeah, we would submit this for an academic journal.

    And it would, it would pass peer review.

    That would be my, my second challenge to you.

    And my third challenge to you would be find companies that do publish true case studies that teach you a lot, even if you’re never ever ever going to buy anything from them and highlight them, share them on social including your newsletter, put them on your social feeds, do something that reinforces the behavior that we want, which is all the sharing more information, so that we can all make our marketing better so we can all make our operations and our businesses better.

    That’s That’s today’s rant in today’s mind reading.

    Thanks for watching.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Most Effective Content Modalities?

    You Ask, I Answer: Most Effective Content Modalities?

    Donna asks, “How do you know which content modality (video, ebook, blog post) performs best?”

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    In today’s episode, Donna asks, How do you know which modality which content modality like videos, ebooks, blog posts that are performed best? Well, the answer to this question depends on the amount of effort and governance and technical skill that you have.

    And there’s three different answers.

    So let’s go through these answers in order, the easiest way to make this determination for content that lives on your website.

    And that’s what you’re measuring, is to look in Google Analytics.

    If you have done a good job of setting up properly, and you have goals and goal values set up, then when you look inside Google Analytics, you can look at things like page value as a measure to see okay, how much economic value has any individual URL on your website, given that number is inferred Google Analytics does it with a particular type of machine learning, and will tell you very quickly what a URL is worth.

    Now, if you’ve done a good job with your governance, meaning, you have a list of URLs, and you know what kinds of content types, they are like, this pile of URLs or blog posts, this type of pile is podcast cetera, then even in just Microsoft Excel, you could do a VLOOKUP, between the goals and goal values by page from Google Analytics, and the content types from your governance.

    And very quickly classify which type of content has driven the most economic value, you can, if you want to get fancy do do the same thing with like Markov chain models and stuff to do a more thorough content attribution model.

    But just that basic, as long as that data is there is good enough to get a sense of what content is or is not working.

    So that’s, that’s number one.

    Number two, is if you’re trying to measure the performance of content that is not on your site, such as YouTube, or a podcast in the Apple Store, or things like that, you have to use a more sophisticated model.

    What you would need to do is export from Google Analytics, again, your sessions and goal completions and things by day, along with all the different source and medium combinations.

    And then you would need day level data from all your media channels, like number of YouTube visits per day, number of YouTube likes per day, number of Facebook likes per day, number of Twitter likes per day, and so on and so forth.

    And those would be by content types of videos, you post it on Instagram videos, you post it on YouTube videos, you post it on Tik Tok, and you’ll create this massive spreadsheet of all this different stuff.

    And then you’ll pick an objective from that spreadsheet, could be Google Analytics conversions, could be sessions could be data further down the funnel if you have it.

    And then using a statistical technique called multiple regression, you will have machines assist you in figuring out which combination of variables have the strongest mathematical correlation to the outcome that you’ve chosen.

    So if you choose website traffic, for example, then it would look at all these different combinations and say this combination of variables indicates that there is a relationship between the activities and the content types by their metrics and the the outcome that you care about.

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    From then you have to build a testing plan, because you’ve established with that technique correlation, but you have not established causation, you cannot say for sure that these other variables cause an increase in the outcome you care about.

    But if it says for example, that YouTube videos, views are highly correlated with the outcome you care about, then you could say, Okay, well, if I get more views by maybe running some ads, or just publishing more videos or trying different things on YouTube, if I get more views do I see a commensurate increase in the outcome I care about so much 50% More views? Do I get 50% more conversions? You would run that test over a period of time and then establish yet either yes, that’s true and that you can prove a causal relationship, or no, it’s just correlative, and there’s no causation or could even be reverse causation.

    So that’s step two.

    Step three requires no computational stuff.

    But it does require a lot of effort.

    And step three is very simple.

    At every point of intake, ask people, How did you hear about us? Or what made you come in today or things like that.

    And depending on the kind of business you have, that could be a fairly extensive effort.

    It could mean things like cashiers asking that or front door greeters asking that and recording the answers and submitting them.

    Now, obviously, if you’re an online business, it’s a lot easier because you can just put a field in a plain text field in a form says, what made you shop with us today or something like that? And then, in those answers, you’ve got to look inside and say, Okay, well, how often does YouTube show up? How often does a podcast show? How often does an e book show up? In those answers of how do you hear about us? If the answer is never for any of them, then you have a good sense that your various content modalities are not working? Right.

    On the other hand, if you see that your YouTube series is half the time, then you know, that’s really working for us.

    Let’s Let’s keep doing that.

    The reason I put that one at the end is because it is a lot of effort.

    And depending on the kind of business you have, it’s a lot of effort from a lot of people, right? Because even if you have an online portion to a brick and mortar store, the people who come in from the brick and mortar store may be behaving differently than the people who come in online.

    So you can’t just use online data for a store that is both online and brick and mortar, you want to be asking across the company across the different touchpoints with the customer to understand, yes, this is this the effect these channels have all over, for example, someone could see your stuff online, say on Twitter, and react online.

    Someone might see your stuff on YouTube.

    And then the next time they’re out and about, they might visit your store.

    And so that’d be a different audience.

    It’s a different audience, that content modality would work differently for one group than the other.

    And that’s why that third option, even though it seems simple, and is simple, it’s not easy.

    It requires a lot of effort on your part to put the answers together.

    But that’s how you determine content modalities and their effectiveness.

    It’s it’s straightforward requires a lot of processing.

    But the answers will help illuminate what you should do less and more of So great question.

    Thanks for asking.

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