Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Interpreting Google Analytics 4 Data?

    You Ask, I Answer: Interpreting Google Analytics 4 Data?

    Ivelina asks, “I can’t find anything in the new GA4. So what if you are not that good at reading raw data?”

    You’re not alone. Many, many people are having trouble, and it’s because of the change in mindset about how Google Analytics 4 collects data. When you compare the two side by side, GA4 appears to be missing a lot more, and that’s because they’ve made the application a lot more flexible. The tradeoff is that understanding your configuration is now uniquely up to you. Be sure you’re using it for what it’s intended for: analysis, not reporting.

    That’s the key mindshift to understand: Google Analytics is no longer a reporting tool. That’s Data Studio’s role.

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    In today’s episode evalina asks, I can’t find anything new Google Analytics for.

    So what if you are not that good at reading raw data? Yeah, so you’re not alone.

    In this, many, many people are having trouble.

    And it’s because of the change in mindset about how Google Analytics four collects data, and how it displays data.

    Google Analytics, four has a very different philosophy about measurement and about the way it’s structured.

    It is a lot more freeform.

    The onus of configuration has been, in some ways put on the user.

    Let me show you an example.

    So let’s let’s switch over here.

    So what we’re looking at here, this is Google Analytics, three data, right? This is in Google Data Studio.

    And one of the things you’ll notice is that when you set up your first table, or whatever, in Google Analytics, three classic Google Analytics, you’re given all these different options for the different things that you can report on, right? There’s a lot of them, if you count through the API guide, there’s 510 different dimensions and metrics out of the box that you can report on.

    And this gets to be a lot, right? There’s, there’s an awful lot of stuff here that, you know, granted, many people have spent a lot of time over the last 15 years learning.

    But from a configuration perspective is not very flexible.

    When you look at Google Analytics major competitor Omniture, from Adobe, it’s a lot more Adobe’s Omniture is more flexible in that it tries to get things like you know, goals to be more flexible and have more options.

    And it’s really, it’s difficult to do that, in classic Google Analytics.

    When you look at Google Analytics for and what comes out of the box, you’ll notice this list is a lot shorter, right? It is down to events, conversions, you know, sessions users some of the real basics.

    So the question is, where did it all go? Where it all has gone, is, instead of Google saying, here’s all the things that you have available to you, Google saying, you decide what is available to you, you decide what you want, in your configuration, build it with Tag Manager, and then the things that are important to you put in here.

    So for example, I put in just a value field, right, even though obviously, there’s an event value.

    But I can add fields and parameters.

    So in Google Tag Manager, I would go in and define if there’s something really weird or unique about the way I want to be tracking a type of conversion, maybe a parameter that isn’t included out of the box.

    Now, I can go in, for example, to Google Tag Manager and just set it up and just run that conversion or that event with my thing or the thing that I care about.

    whereas previously in the in the older version of Google Analytics, I couldn’t do that.

    Right.

    So let’s look at this example here.

    If I go to newsletter, so I can edit this now at and instead of having to mess around with, you know, categories and actions and labels and all that stuff in in Google Analytics three, I can specify what parameters I want to track, is it a button, click sure I can put that in here.

    Is it the day of the week? Sure, I can put that in here, too.

    And so this philosophy is that Google has switched to in and Google Analytics for is that you decide what’s important to you.

    You decide beyond the basics, that it sets up out of the box, if there are specific values that you want to have.

    And then they appear as fields and parameters in in Data Studio in the back end, and you can report on them.

    So for example, if you wanted, if you had a website where you had users who are logged in, and I was something that tag managers already set up to track, right? You could, in your goals, specify a logged in user.

    Right, so it’s a lot more flexible in Google Analytics, three, you’d have to jump to all sorts of kinds of hoops just to make that work, but in Google Analytics for you and make that available parameter that would be trackable.

    And then you could measure those conversions, the event of the conversions, and split it up between logged in user and not logged in user.

    So that’s the trade off that Google Analytics for is trying to make is, Google has said your configuration is up to you.

    Instead of trying to guess what everybody wants and making 510 values, many of which most of us aren’t going to use.

    Google is said you decide what you want to use, you program it into Tag Manager and will display it.

    That’s one of the reasons why they can now offer BigQuery the database to everyone who’s using Google Analytics for account because there’s a pretty good chance that most of us are not going to try and replicate all 510 of the old fields right into into this.

    And so the data storage footprint is going to be a much smaller for Google Analytics for in the beginning.

    As you add more customizations, as you add more stuff, it will get bigger.

    Now to the question of, you can’t find anything? Yeah, there’s, again, what comes out of the box is not designed for the end user, the business end user in Google Alex for it’s designed for someone who is an actual analyst.

    So if we go into my ga four view here, Google Analytics four is an actual analytics engine, in the sense that there’s a few canned reports.

    So acquisition is pretty straightforward.

    Where’d my stuff come from, right users traffic engagement is pretty straightforward.

    What got people stick around.

    So this is the pages.

    And then these are all the events that you could be sending.

    Again, everything is at the event level in Google Analytics for so you get the standard ones here, but you can program and more you can program in return users, right, it’s not necessarily included out of the box, you can program in logged in users, you can program in users who have been on more than five pages, highly engaged users, any event that you could think of that fits within the event model, you can program in here, and then you can report on it.

    monetization is pretty straightforward.

    e commerce, I think it’s actually easier now for folks than it is in in ga three and that there’s less to turn on.

    It’s a lot of e commerce stuff is baked right in.

    And as long as your e commerce vendor is using a sensible structure and or an approved Google structure from ga three, it’s going to show up automatically in ga four.

    So that is equally pretty straightforward.

    And then retention.

    You know, how did you keep your users is all pretty straightforward stuff.

    But again, this is an analysis engine.

    So you can see at any point in the application, you can add in more stuff, you can remove stuff.

    And then if you go into the analysis hub, you can actually find individual templates.

    This is where some of the more traditional reports from Google Analytics, three are now showing up.

    So you can start to look at specific use cases and have these essentially, pre built reports brought into ga four.

    But ga four is not where you’re supposed to be doing.

    Your reporting.

    So as you’re doing your analysis here, you do detective work here, and then you report in Data Studio.

    So the big question that you have to tackle with Google Analytics for is, if you can’t find something, is it because g4 is has removed it or because ga four is now no longer the place to be doing that.

    If you’ve got a canned report that you use a lot in ga three, there’s a very good chance that the intent is that you replicate it as a dashboard in Data Studio and ga four.

    And that’s where you do that you look for those canned reports, because analysis is different than reporting.

    analysis is figuring out what happened.

    And then Data Studio and reporting is telling somebody else what happened and letting them have a consolidated view of that so that they don’t have to repeat the in the analysis process.

    And that’s going to be a big, big head shift for a lot of folks is they’re used to ga being a reporting tool.

    And it’s now an analysis tool.

    So that means you’ve got to get really comfortable with Data Studio and start working with data, even with ga three, your existing Google Analytics account and get used to working with Data Studio get used to building reports that fit your needs.

    And it will make working with Google Analytics for a lot easier.

    Because you won’t have to be trying to force this interface to do things that it no longer does.

    Instead, look at your ga three account and say okay, how can I take this report that I’m very familiar with and replicate it in ga four? tall order? If you have follow up questions about leaving the comments box below, subscribe to the YouTube channel on the newsletter.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: How To Check Mobile Friendly Website?

    You Ask, I Answer: How To Check Mobile Friendly Website?

    Sasha asks, “How do you check if your website is mobile-friendly?”

    There are four different, easy ways to check:

    • The Mobile Friendly Test for a single URL
    • Search Console for site-wide checks using the mobile usability tests
    • Search Console for site-wide mobile Core Web Vitals
    • Google Chrome Developer Tools to check the UX

    Watch the video for a walkthrough of each.

    You Ask, I Answer: How To Check Mobile Friendly Website?
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    In today’s episode, Sasha asks, How do you check if your website is mobile friendly? Really good question.

    super important to be doing these days, because pretty much every website should be mobile friendly.

    And there’s four different ways to check.

    They’re all free, all easy to use, you just have to interpret the results.

    So the first way, let’s go ahead and move things over here.

    The first one is Google’s mobile friendly test.

    This is part of search console, but it’s a standalone tool, and you put in a website URL here.

    So let’s go ahead and do that.

    And what the tool will do is it will go and get the page, the single URL that you’ve put in as gonna check it for all the basics.

    This is a good tool, if you need to check a specific page, it’s not as good if you have to check an entire website, because let’s face it, who wants to sit there and type in a whole bunch of URLs.

    However, for specific pages, especially if you’re going to roll out something like a landing page for a campaign really important tool, you want to make sure that the landing page is is friendly on on mobile devices, especially if you were expecting that landing page to rank in search.

    Here we see my homepage is considered mobile friendly, right gives you a green if it’s mobile friendly.

    And then if it’s not, it will give you a bunch of warnings and tell you what’s wrong.

    So that’s way number one.

    Way number two is in Google Search Console, which if you don’t already use, that would be the time to start using it.

    There’s two different things in Search Console that will help us understand mobile friendliness.

    The first is the mobile usability test down here.

    And this looks at your site.

    And then it will highlight pages where it thinks you just haven’t passed the test.

    And you can also see the pages that are valid the pages that are working well.

    And if something is wrong, it will tell you down here what these things aren’t like clickable elements too close together, content wider than the screen those things that you’d want to fix.

    And then if you click on it, you can dig into if there were errors here, you could be able to dig in and find out okay, what are the pages that are having this problem.

    So super useful.

    This is good for site wide.

    When you’ve got a big website.

    Like if you have one page and a website, the other test is fine.

    This is for if you’ve got a lot of pages like a blog, you’ve got landing pages.

    This is critical if you are to be using the domain version of search console, especially if you have subdomains.

    So a lot of folks have things like marketing automation software and stuff that sets up its own landing pages and subscription pages and all that stuff.

    And that’s fine.

    But you want to run mobile friendliness on those if they are part of your domain.

    So if you had like marketing, Christopher penn.com, you’d want to use search console at the domain level, so that it could also check your marketing automation software and say, Okay, this, these pages here are not mobile friendly, because it does count against you if it’s part of your if it’s a sub domain on your main domain.

    So that’s test number two.

    test number three is the core web vitals.

    So core web vitals, we’ve talked a lot about these recently, are these measurements for assessing? How well does your website work for things that will eventually be ranking factors? So let’s go ahead in this report here, and there are no there’s nothing I highlighted either way for my website for my domain.

    If there had been, let’s go back here, you would see indicators like your what other what URLs are working or not working on? Setting up an example here.

    So for some of the pages on my site, large contentful paint, as long as the four seconds.

    So there’s an element on some of the pages of my website.

    That takes too long before the largest element renders.

    So I might want to look at doing optimization of page load time or shrinking files and stuff like that.

    So the first few tests that we talked about here for testing mobile friendliness, rely on Google, and its software to crawl your website.

    And to let you know, either at the page level at the domain level that your site is mobile friendly.

    And that’s important.

    Like those, those are things that for SEO purposes, especially, you need to do you need to get Google stamp of approval saying yes, things are working, and things are optimized.

    But there’s one more thing that you should do.

    And that is let’s go to the website here.

    In Google Chrome, if you go up to the View menu, and you choose developer, and you choose developer tools, the developer tools will load and what you’ll notice is, this is Little tiny icon here called the device toolbar.

    Let’s go ahead and click that and turn that on.

    And now I can choose different devices to look at my website on.

    So for example, let’s do an iPad.

    Right.

    And so it has a, let’s make it 75%.

    And now I’m simulating actually touching the screen.

    So this is what my site looks like on an iPad.

    Okay, let’s switch over to a Samsung Galaxy.

    This is what my website now looks like on a Samsung Galaxy.

    This check is looking at the user experience from your own perspective, right? Is this a good experience? Is this something that you would be happy to see when you plug in your own website? Or is this kind of like a not great experience? And based on the devices that you have available here? Just do a few checks to just check things out and see like, how does this look on a series of devices? Is it good? Is it bad? If it’s not a pleasant experience, or if things are not showing up, the way you expect them to? This is going to tell you that Google’s tests will not tell you this, they will just check to make sure it’s functionally working.

    But for example, if I am trying to promote something on my website, is there stuff here that shouldn’t be? Is there stuff that’s getting in the way like, this is my newsletter here? And it’s what about a third of the way down the page? Do I want that form moved up? If so, I know I need to reorder the blocks in my design.

    And so this is the fourth check is using Google’s chrome and the device manager to do those user experience tests really, really, with an expert i a human eye towards are things working the way they’re supposed to be.

    mobile usability is all about making sure that people can do what you want them to do on a smart device.

    And if you have not already go into Google Analytics, and check to see what percentage of your site’s web traffic is, from a mobile device, if it’s more than, like 3%, or 5%, you want to run these mobile usability checks.

    for SEO purposes, it doesn’t matter what percentage of your site’s traffic is, is mobile.

    If you want to rank well, in Google’s mobile first index in the mobile first world, you got to do what Google says.

    So those are the four checks, you should run these.

    The individual page one, your running time, got a new important page on your website, Search Console, you should be checking Search Console at least once a month, at least, ideally, maybe every couple of weeks.

    And when you’re in Search Console, you know, you’re not going to do everything.

    But at least it’s going to make sure there’s no obvious warnings like things just on fire.

    And then for the developer tools, version, doing the UX check, do that.

    Anytime you got a big design change, and maybe once a quarter, just again, going in there making sure somebody hasn’t messed up with the website, put something on there that you didn’t expect.

    A new maybe tags if you add a new tags or new trackers to the site, hopefully via Tag Manager that hasn’t broken those as well.

    Anytime you make any infrastructure change, so if you, for example, rollout CloudFlare, and you use their rocket loader, which optimizes JavaScript, if you do that, immediately go test, go test, go test go test because sometimes things like that will just totally break your site.

    Anytime we add a new plugin and like WordPress, rerun the developer tools test and make sure that things are not broken unexpectedly.

    So really good question.

    Lots of different ways to do this.

    Do these like I said any to the circumstances mentioned? Got follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Tips for Offering Workshops and Trainings?

    You Ask, I Answer: Tips for Offering Workshops and Trainings?

    Jordie asks, “What are your experiences in offering workshops / trainings? I am looking to craft and launch workshop myself so I am super interested to hear how you did / and are doing.”

    Workshops and trainings are a core part of what I do, so there’s definitely a logic and process to it. First, figure out what the audience is willing to pay to learn – it’s got to be something you can’t easily Google. Second, figure out how much of it there is – is it something so tactical that it’s just a short video like this with no followup? Is it a webinar? Or is it a full-blown course? Third, build the curriculum around it.

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    In today’s episode Jordi asks, What are your experiences offering workshops and trainings? I’m looking to craft and launch workshops myself, because I’m super interested to hear how you did in doing.

    So good.

    Good question.

    workshops and trainings are definitely a core part of what I do.

    So there’s definitely a logical process to it.

    When we’re building these things, there’s a lot that goes into them, first and foremost, figure out if we’ve got something that is a good fit for our workshop.

    So one of the things that I always find tricky, is, there’s a lot of workshops out there where, you know, people are asking you to pay money for something that frankly, you can Google.

    Right.

    And my hesitation in offering a workshop like that is what’s the extra value? What’s the added value that I could put in a workshop that you couldn’t Google? Right? Is there a unique methodology, a framework, something that isn’t just recycled hash, right? If you look at you know, the so so many workshops on like, Instagram strategy, and they’re all the same, right? It’s like, you should comment on people’s videos and posts, you should post a story every day.

    Like, that’s pretty commonplace.

    Like, what’s, what’s new, what’s unique? What’s something that would be worth paying for? would be valuable? And the bench test for that, as always, will it save somebody time? Will it save somebody money will make somebody money? If what you’re offering in a workshop, or any kind of of content doesn’t answer one of those two questions.

    It’s not worth paying for, it might be cool to learn, but it’s not worth paying for.

    Second, with whatever topic that you come up with, got to figure how much of that there is.

    So I’ve seen people with varying degrees of success, take something that’s very tactical and atomic and blow it out into like a full hour and a half workshop.

    But the reality is, what they were teaching could have been taught in 10 minutes, right? I’ve seen other people and I’m guilty of this one, who will take a topic that honestly should be a six hour course and try and cram it in 30 minutes.

    You know, when when somebody asks me to deliver a talk at a conference, like oh, yeah, can you do like, marketing ROI measurement in, you know, 18 minutes, like, yeah, I suppose.

    But it’s like saying, Can we do neurosurgery 30 minutes, like you can.

    But you’re gonna have to take some shortcuts.

    So figuring out, does the content fit the time available, is important.

    And then third is building the actual workshop.

    And there’s three things you need, we’re going to follow Bob stones, 1968 framework for direct marketing, right? His thing was lists offer creative for workshops, for courses for trainings, it is marketing, platform and content, same exact thing list offer creative.

    So starting with marketing, do you have an audience, if you have not built an audience, building a workshop is kind of putting the cart before the horse, right, because you don’t really have any way to sell it to I mean, if you’ve got a big pile of money laying around, and you want to spend a whole bunch on advertising, then yeah, for sure, you can get a workshop out there and even get some ROI on it.

    Because if you can spend 1, but get1 20 back, you’re gonna do okay.

    But it’s easier, it’s a lot easier to have a platform to have a decent sized newsletter to have a decent sized social media following to have, you know, repeat a good number of repeat readers of your blog, whatever that is, you need to have that platform in advance in order to make it easy to sell.

    By the way, this also applies to books too.

    All this stuff.

    Second is in the original framework was offer it for us in workshops, this platform, how are you going to do this thing.

    There are so so many different ways to deliver a workshop there are LMS systems learning management systems, with that have like your quizzes and all these things.

    There are just stock downloads.

    I for a lot of my stuff, I use a service called gumroad.

    gumroad is just an e commerce delivery platform.

    You pay the money, and you download the files.

    And in the in a lot of my workshops, it’s a video file, it’s an audio file, it’s PDFs of the content.

    It’s typically a transcript of some kind, just to make sure that at least for me, I’m delivering the workshop in as many modalities of learning as possible.

    Some people are our video watchers, you are right now, some people are readers, some people are listeners.

    And so whatever format people consume information and try to give it to them.

    And then finally of course is the content and a lot of the workshop stuff is going to follow Going to follow the what? Why how framework? Right? So what is the thing? Why is it important? How does it work? And so when you decompose your workshop topic into all the little sub chapters, each of those is going to be, what is it? Why does it matter? How does it work? And I find that that format for me, tends to, tends to best convey the information because in a lot of cases, there’s a big question, what is the thing like, what, what do these words even mean? Why does this matter? And then how does it work? So something for example, like doing regression analysis, what is that, and if you’re not familiar with it, I can’t launch right into why it’s important if you don’t even understand the words coming out of my mouth.

    So that’s that framework for putting together the content.

    And again, same as the direct marketing framework, lists, offer creative got to do the platform first.

    Doing that building your platform first also gives you a sense of what the audience cares about.

    Right? When you look at what you’re getting traffic to on your blog, on your newsletter, you know, what gets clicks? What gets engagement on your social media posts, you can very quickly tell.

    Some topics are made for a workshop, right? There’s a lot of interest in other topics, not as much.

    I have given.

    I’ve lost count of how many workshops at different conferences, and I’ve had some workshops where Yeah, there’s three people in the room.

    Right? It was just not a topic people were interested in like, well, you three, you’re gonna get like the deep dive.

    And as far as I know, everyone walked away having gotten some benefit from it.

    But at the same time, it’s one of those things where other workshops I’ve given, you know, packed room 100 people like, Okay, this is this is actually too large for a classroom style.

    So you’ve got to be very focused on building your research to know what it is people want.

    One of the ways that I recommend doing this is building question lists.

    So going to sites like ask calm and Cora, and just answer calm and all these different companies that run these q&a sites.

    And again, just make it you know, select all on the screen, copy and paste into a text document, and then look at the questions that keep coming up over and over again.

    So a Reddit is another phenomenal source for this.

    One of the questions that keep coming up over and over again, where people clearly either they don’t want to, or they don’t know how to Google for the answers.

    And that’s a great place to build your workshop from because you know, these are perennial problems.

    And you also know that if you need to, you can answer the questions lightly in those forums, then, gently encourage people to take your workshop if they really want to dig into it.

    So that’s the methodology for building out that workshop content and for building out your platform is figure out what people want.

    Look at search data to go into, you know, Google Trends or the SEO tool of your choice, and start digging in, like, what are the common things that people keep asking us? services like keyword spinner and stuff to, to copy the, you know, people also ask or auto suggest questions from Google.

    Those are fantastic ways to build that list of questions that you can build an entire workshop around.

    So how is it working? Pretty well, it’s it is more than beer money, it’s less than mortgage money.

    Let’s put it that way.

    And that’s with not the world’s best marketing.

    yet.

    I do put it in my newsletters.

    I do share it on social media, but for the most part, I don’t promote them as heavily as I promote my company because my company is and all the services and products we offer a much higher ROI than the workshops.

    The workshops are there.

    If you want to learn a specific topic.

    I need to put together a list of all the workshops that are available and probably take down a couple of the ones that are a little on the old side.

    So long, lots of detail as to what it is how these things work.

    You get follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

    Subscribe to the YouTube channel on the newsletter, I’ll talk to you soon.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: First Impressions of Google Analytics 4?

    You Ask, I Answer: First Impressions of Google Analytics 4?

    Tristan asks, “How are you getting on with the new Google Analytics 4 interface and data collection?”

    Google Analytics 4 represents a sea change in how Google thinks of its marketing platform. Instead of an all-in-one application, it’s now part of a suite of 3 major pieces that every marketer will need to consider.

    Google Tag Manager: tracking and configuration
    Google Analytics: analysis engine
    Google Data Studio: visualization and reporting engine

    Some notable changes:
    – Goals are gone.
    – Scopes are gone.
    – Channel groupings are gone.
    – Segments are gone.

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    In today’s episode, Tristan asks, How are you getting on with the new Google Analytics for interface and data collection? Yeah, Google Analytics for is a major sea change for marketers for all of us in how we use the application.

    And it represents a sea change in how Google thinks of its own marketing platform.

    You know, traditional Google Analytics, the classic version, which really has been functionally similar.

    For the last 15 years, since they bought it from urchin in 2005.

    It, it’s always been kind of all in one application where you drop the tracking code, and then you do everything in Google Analytics, and, and you get your reports and stuff.

    And that’s the way people have been used to using this thing.

    Now, the new version really represents a more mature philosophy about analytics and about analytics infrastructure, it is going to cause some people some pretty significant changes in how they do, how they do their analytics, how they think about the analytics.

    So let’s um, let’s go ahead and and flip over here.

    So if you have not seen that already, this is what Google Analytics for looks like.

    And at first glance, it looks okay.

    It kind of see how it looks like Google Analytics, you see some of the very basics, but you’ll notice right away, particularly when you go into things like the admin here, some major changes, they used to be things called accounts, properties and views.

    Views are gone, right? Which makes you go, where do I put my goals? Those are gone to, there’s there are different ways Google is handling this now.

    You see, from a philosophical perspective, you see now that Google Analytics really is a true analysis engine even has an analysis hub here where you can do ad hoc analysis, if you do true slice and dice, let’s look at your data and see all the different ways that you can analyze it to try and understand what happened.

    So that raises the question, Where are your reports? Many of them, again, are gone, there’s a there’s a slimmer view in here.

    And the way that we track things has substantially changed.

    Let’s go ahead and look here at user acquisition real quick, how do I get users to my website, you’ll notice channel groupings are gone.

    Right, so the, you know, organic, social email, all that’s gone is now source medium, or just medium, depending on what you want to use.

    This is a big change, because for years, we’ve used channel groupings, sort of classify traffic, and now medium, obviously, has been channel for a really long time anyway.

    But this is going to be a big problem.

    For some folks, if you don’t have good governance, if you don’t have really solid, logical ways of laying out your source medium, like the medium is, is effectively a channel.

    So as you’re doing your tracking codes, your UTM tracking codes, once you implement ga four, you’re really gonna have to make sure that they’re logical, they’re sensible, and that they and that you and your vendors all agree on what those should be.

    Because if you don’t, you’re gonna have a hot mess in here.

    The other big thing, and this is really, a, I think probably the biggest change for everybody is that the scopes are gone.

    So previously, there were four scopes in Google Analytics and different metrics.

    Within each of them.

    There was users, there were hits, there were sessions and their products, right, those are the four major scopes.

    And there are some things like for example, bounce rate was a page level, scope, hit level, whereas say, you know, retention, was a user level scope, and you couldn’t mix and match the two, it just didn’t work, because they were they were different measures.

    And now, everything is events, everything from from the littlest interaction all the way up to the biggest measurement is all based on events.

    And what this means is that we have to radically rethink how we do our analysis, right? Everything from you know, how you do our tracking codes to even your goals, like, for example, and here there are all these different events.

    And you can mark some of them as conversions.

    If you know what they are.

    One of the big things that you’re going to have to do right off the bat when you switch over and go to Google Analytics for is go into, for example, your Google Tag Manager, which is where you’re going to be doing all of your goal setting goal configuration and go through and actually rebuild your goals as as events.

    You have to specify like what these things are and you know, Tag Manager is is going to be a place that you do that.

    So events are the new way of thinking about every interaction with a user.

    And that’s a good in a lot of ways, because now you get rid of all the Oh, you can’t have this bounce rate.

    If you’re looking at users.

    Now it’s all events top to bottom.

    One of the other big changes that’s gonna is super important for data nerds is that Google Analytics now out of the box integrates with Google’s BigQuery database, they can link it up to a table, and then in your BigQuery database, you can see all of the data that you get out of Google Analytics, let’s make this a little bit bigger here at an individual hit level, which is pretty amazing.

    And you can see what types all different types of in session starts pageviews.

    Any of the events, you configure user engagements, and each one of these has things like source and medium campaign, all this really good data that we’ve been, frankly, craving forever, right? If you have great database skills, this is a goldmine.

    This is where you’re now going to be able to build amazing attribution analyses, amazing reports of every kind.

    And that brings me to like the last thought on this, this change now means that Google Analytics is no longer an all in one application, it is one of three pieces.

    So Tag Manager, a lot of the things he used to do in Google Analytics you now do in Tag Manager.

    So it is sort of the the tracking and configuration component of the marketing platform, Google Marketing Platform.

    Google Analytics now actually lives up to its name, it is the analysis engine that takes that raw data coming from Tag Manager slices and dices it, man prepares it for analysis.

    And there are analysis tools, real business intelligence tools in here.

    What’s not in here is a lot of canned reports, there’s very, very few canned reports.

    Instead, there’s the analysis hub.

    And it is up to you as the user to kind of go in here and build these reports, if you know what you’re looking for it to do the ad hoc analysis.

    And you’ll note that a lot of these really are deep dives into into your data.

    What’s not in here, the simple reports, right, so where do they go? That’s all Data Studio.

    Google intends for Data Studio to be the visualization and reporting engine to take all the data that you’ve analyzed, and slice and dice in Google Analytics, and pass it to Data Studio.

    So you can do your visualizations there.

    And again, because everything is now at the event level, we see that the raw data, you’ll do things like segments and filtering and stuff within Data Studio, and not in Google Analytics.

    Because again, with the view gone, there is no more there are no more segments, that’s that’s gone.

    Now, it is all that’s all handled in the your visualization and reporting engine, which is Google Data Studio.

    So this is a big change.

    The good news is you don’t have to switch over right away.

    And there’s not even big and been given a timeline as to when they’re going to sunset classic Google Analytics.

    So if you’re just trying to get stuff done, stick with classic.

    If you want access to the good stuff in terms of raw data, in terms of, you know, database level stuff, and the new analysis engine, it’s turn on Google Analytics for I recommend that everybody turn it on, get the basics of tagging and tracking set up so that you have the data because one thing that hasn’t changed, nothing with Google is ever retroactive, you can’t go back in time.

    So get the get it configured, get your goal setup, get it deployed.

    And then don’t worry about it if you can’t make use of it right, just so that you’re getting the data in the system and you’re tracking it.

    And then you can always come back later and tune things up, especially since it’s now an analysis engine, which means that if you’ve got the data, you’ll be able to slice and dice it all kinds of different ways to do that.

    If you got questions on that, or you need help with that, let me know, if you go to Trust insights.ai my company’s website you can ask for some help there.

    Man, this free slack group have to TrustInsights.ai dot AI slash analytics for marketers.

    But yeah, there’s a ton of new stuff that’s going on with Google Analytics for I recommend that you get your feet wet, and at least get familiar with it and all the big changes and then go from there.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Social Media Technology Stack?

    You Ask, I Answer: Social Media Technology Stack?

    Heidi asks, “What are the major social media tools you use?”

    My tools can be divided into three basic categories:
    – Data science
    – Social media management
    – Content creation

    For data science, I use:
    – Crowdtangle from Facebook
    – Talkwalker monitoring
    – The individual networks themselves
    – Google GDELT for news
    – R Studio and the R programming language
    – Native platform APIs

    For management, I use:
    – Agorapulse
    – Custom code for creating content
    – Various messaging
    – Native platform apps

    For content creation, I use:
    – Adobe Creative Cloud
    – Techsmith Camtasia
    – Techsmith Snagit
    – AIVA
    – Otter
    – Joplin app
    – Levelator app

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    In today’s episode, Heidi asks, What are the major social media tools you use? Gosh, that’s a big question.

    I think probably the easiest way to roll this together, it would be looking at the tools by roll because there’s so many of them.

    And with the understanding that I approach social media a little differently than, than most people, it’s, it’s a data source for me first, and then secondarily a platform for communication.

    So I think that’s an important distinction to make.

    For the data side of things, data science and data sources.

    The big tools, there are going to be CrowdTangle from Facebook, which is still available if you were grandfathered into the council, but it’s a really rich data source allows you to download large quantities of data from Facebook, Instagram, and Reddit Talkwalker, which is a monitoring tool, but also just a really, really good source of data from all the major networks, blogs, forum, some stuff on the web, really, really powerful.

    And very generous.

    The amount of data can give you the individual social networks themselves, particularly their API’s, I use the Twitter API a ton.

    And it is again, very robust gives you a lot of data.

    I think I probably pulled guests by about 11, or 12% of every single Prime Day tweet, which is in the hundreds of thousands of tweets, from the Twitter API, the G delt project from Google, from the Google News initiative is a huge, massively huge database of news that gives you URLs gives you news impact and stuff, really terrific, very, very powerful.

    Not really a great user interface.

    But it doesn’t have to be, you get a Big Query database, and you have to know how to use it in order to get data out of it.

    But if you want a comprehensive list of all the news happening in near real time, like in 15 minute intervals, you can’t beat it.

    And then of course, for processing all this, I use the our programming language and our studio, which is a moderately friendly user interface, but really robust in terms of all the things it can do to help make processing all this data easier.

    On the management side for managing my social media accounts.

    Agorapulse is my tool of choice there.

    Again, lets you connect everything lets us schedule stuff in bulk, which is very useful.

    I wrote a lot of custom code to create content for, for social media, for publishing in particular.

    So there’s a SQL database that I have that pulls in news and blogs and stuff and then scores them based on content that I want to be sharing on my accounts.

    And then that spits out files, batch files for Agorapulse, that can then just load and then once a week, we fresh top up the accounts.

    And then they have a week’s worth of content.

    I did that because I got tired of spending hours a week curating content, when really, it’s a very repetitive task, that machines can do 80% as well.

    90% as well as a person but you know, it’s it’s that’s more than good enough to trade hours a week for 15 minutes a week.

    All the different messaging apps for managing your social media, Facebook, messenger, Instagram, all this stuff.

    And all the native platform apps, particularly on mobile devices, because it’s just easiest to do one offs on those.

    And those apps.

    And then for content creation.

    There’s a whole bunch of stuff there how you do use Adobe Creative Cloud, particularly Photoshop, an awful lot and Adobe Audition for editing audio.

    So for things like podcasts, it’s it’s an invaluable tool.

    I use TechSmith Camtasia I’m using right now to record these videos.

    Because it’s, for me, it’s just the right balance of powerful and easy to use, right like iMovie it’s too easy to use not enough features too inflexible Adobe Premiere, is you know, it’s like taking a Harrier to the grocery store, you just not not a good fit.

    Most of the time, it’s absolutely the gold standard for really big video projects, but not for a day to day stuff.

    So Camtasia is sits right in the middle between those two.

    Good enough nonlinear editor, good features, still can get in and get out and get done quickly.

    Techsmith Snagit for screencaptures and for making animations, particularly Gif animations is super useful.

    Ava is an AI tool for generating music.

    So a lot of the intro and outro music in the content I create is machine generated because it’s really royalty free, you never have to pay for what you pay for the membership data, but then you don’t have to pay like royalties and things, which is always useful.

    Make sure you never get sued.

    otter otter.ai is a transcription service.

    Again, we use it every single day with these posts, take these videos and turn them into transcripts and stuff.

    The Joplin app, which is if you if you’re familiar with Evernote Joplin is an open source version of that.

    And that is where I keep a lot of my notes.

    A lot of my day to day publishing stuff gets stored in there are a lot of my writing for things like newsletters, and for longer social posts.

    My daily pandemic newsletter I write in Joplin.

    And finally, on the contents side, the Levelator app, which is a one click two clicks, leveling software that can fix a multitude of audio sins.

    When you’re doing recordings, so especially for podcasts.

    And that, Oh, I forgot a stream yard, we stream yard for live streaming for the Trust Insights, live show.

    And all of these tools, they all have to work together in some fashion.

    They all have to be you know, support data, import data export, be able to measure things well, for the content creation stuff has to support as many different formats as you know, feasible and reasonable.

    So there’s a lot of tools I’ve looked at over the years that don’t fit into my workflow.

    Just because I don’t use them doesn’t mean they’re bad.

    It’s just that either they cost too much, or they they don’t work with how I like to work.

    So I think it’s an important distinction when you’re building your social media technology stack.

    It’s not a question necessarily of you know, the best in class software for every given job you’re trying to do.

    It is more, making sure it works the way you work.

    There’s there’s a lot of tools that are intuitive for some people, not intuitive for others.

    Even something as silly as like when Facebook rolled out this new user interface, you know, a lot of people were like, What in the world is this thing.

    And understandably, so it was a major change the new interface functions and more like a mobile app in a lot of ways.

    And there’s some stuff from the old interface that I missed because it fit my workflow better.

    This is not the case in in, in the new one.

    So when you’re deciding about tools for your social media technology stack, make sure that they work with how you work, they work out how your team works.

    That’s another important thing about a lot of the tools I mentioned here is many of them do support like teams and multiple users, some of them don’t.

    Some of them are single user, things that you might have to share a login for and stuff.

    So no, no your requirements before you start shopping, make sure you write them down.

    Like it needs to do this, it needs to do this, this would be nice to have a nice to fit in this budget amount.

    And that will give you a better sense of what works for you.

    Regardless of what company you work for.

    There will be some tools that you will just take with you from job to job that provide you a lot of power or just fit the way you personally work.

    And don’t leave those behind.

    If you change jobs change companies.

    Don’t be afraid to take your stuff with you, even if it’s just managing your own personal social media accounts because some tools just work the way you work.

    So you’ve got questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Most Effective PR Strategies?

    You Ask, I Answer: Most Effective PR Strategies?

    Abi asks, “What are the most effective PR strategies we should be looking at?”

    Have news worth sharing. That’s it. That’s PR in a nutshell. It’s simple, and it’s not at all easy. Here’s a test: if you were going on a date with someone, is the story you’re working on something that you’d want to share with them?

    Tactical things to think about: there’s fewer news outlets, so you’ll need to become one. More often than not, you’ll need to create news, so be prepared to do that as well.

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    In today’s episode, Abby asks, What are the most effective PR strategies we should be looking at? That’s a bit broad.

    Here is the PR strategy, the one that is timeless that is effective.

    That is pretty much as close to guaranteed as you can get.

    Have news worth sharing.

    That’s it.

    Have news worth sharing.

    It’s simple.

    And it’s difficult.

    Because most of the time, we don’t have news worth sharing.

    Most of the time, we have things that aren’t even news, right? Oh, look, we changed our logo, or so and so got promoted, or we want a new client.

    These are all things that are important to us as business owners or as managers or executives or whatever.

    But nobody cares.

    It’s that’s not news.

    That’s boring, right? news is something that is new.

    And that is remarkable meaning that is worth remarking about Seth Godin.

    Zola quote, you have to be remarkable.

    If no one’s talking about it.

    It’s not news.

    Here’s an easy one, especially if you’ve got you know, a decent number of employees.

    Go and wherever it is, your employees congregate and hang out.

    Right, and it’s the watercooler the cafeteria, whatever could be online to, you know, monitoring employees, social media and how they post publicly and see what they talk about naturally.

    I guarantee you, it’s not about your company.

    It’s not about the press release you just put out or the the story that you just put on your blog, whatever.

    If you can’t even get your own people to care, why is anyone else gonna care.

    So you’ve got to have news worth sharing, what is news worth sharing? Well, it can be anything that really is beneficial to your audience.

    And your products and services, generally are not going to be beneficial in a newsworthy way, it may be beneficial, but they’re not news because they’re not new.

    So that can be things like a study or some research you did, it can be a qualitative piece of information, it can be an interview with somebody who isn’t involved in your company, you know, some sort of minor celebrity or industry person, it can be a trend in the in your overall industry that has suddenly changed.

    A lot of people were able to make a decent amount of news earlier this year when the pandemic hit.

    And you know, there were a lot of good, and also a lot of lots of good pieces on how the pandemic was going to change certain industries.

    That’s news that’s useful.

    That’s interesting, that’s worth talking about is remarkable.

    And that’s what you have to do on a regular frequent basis, if you want to have an effective public relations strategy.

    In theory, this is why people pay agencies, because agencies, in theory have more practice at doing this sort of thing than then some folks in house it’s not necessarily true.

    Agencies are as wide and varied in quality as any other industry as any other business, there’ll be some good ones, there’ll be a whole bunch of mediocre ones, there’ll be some bad ones.

    So the biggest challenge for you is to figure out whether this agency is any good at what they do or not.

    And some companies inherently just have more news than others, right? And when there is news, they know how to to push all the right buttons, nobody really has to work all that hard at generating news, you know, if you work at like Tesla, or SpaceX, right, you literally are doing new stuff.

    And yes, you have to do the effort of you know, reaching out and letting news media know that you’re doing this thing.

    But the news itself is newsworthy, it is, is remarkable.

    That’s the bench test if if your people we even you yourself, if you happen to be in a some kind of relationship is what you’re about to write a news release or do a news campaign about so interesting and fascinating and exciting to you that you’re talking about it to your friends, your significant other whoever on prompted.

    It’s just so exciting that it’s worth talking about then you know, you’ve got something If on the other hand, you’re working on something and he can’t even bothered to bring it up to your your significant other at the end of the day, it’s probably not newsworthy, and therefore it’s gonna be a much harder story to make happen.

    There are fewer news outlets now than there ever used to be for at least a decade.

    We’re doing some data research recently for business wire and found that they were at 5000 domain names unique domain names and new stories back in 2015 are down like 30 ish thousand now.

    So you’ve seen a substantial contraction, the number of news outlets available.

    So one of the things that you have to do tactically is Become a news outlet become a publisher be have a very large mailing list, a large readership or a large YouTube channel or something that gives you reach into your audience, because you are the news at that point.

    So many industries, particularly this year, have have run into really hard times in terms of being able to maintain their business operations, that we’ve seen dramatic decline in the number of functioning news outlets.

    This isn’t a long term trend.

    So you have to become the news.

    So tactically, what can you do to build a media property that is a publisher that you then can share your news in? Plenty of companies have done this, plenty of companies have become so large and so powerful in their media operations, that they’re effectively like separate companies.

    But the advantage is, you don’t have to pitch anybody.

    You don’t have to squeeze your news in or ask an editor to approve your story.

    You it’s your outlet, so you have control over it.

    That’s a big part of making news work for you today is you have to become the news.

    And that is something that companies overlook a lot.

    So do that to the extent that you can it’s an investment, you’re talking probably two to three year investment, at least significant ad dollars, significant marketing technology dollars to build a for example, newsletter and run it well.

    Notification systems marketing and remarketing by text message, retargeting ads, that run on search that run on YouTube expect to spend, depending on how large you need it to be and how large your industry is, anywhere from five to seven digits on building that outlet, so that you are the you become the de facto news source for your industry.

    And then you don’t have to worry a whole lot about having to run the public relations operation separately, because at that point, you are the news.

    But that’s it.

    At the core, the challenge is most of the times most of what we have to share is not news.

    And therefore it’s not going to resonate.

    It’s going to be very, very difficult to pitch.

    And with fewer reporters and journalists out there it becomes really difficult to get their attention for anything.

    So what do you have for what you’re pitching has to be really news.

    We could spend a whole lot more time on this but if you have follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Quantifying Hallway Conversations?

    You Ask, I Answer: Quantifying Hallway Conversations?

    Jon asks, “Any thoughts on how to quantify online social media interactions at a conference versus those that happen in hallways and bars?”

    I’m not sure you could without either highly intrusive surveillance or robust individual tracking. Self-reporting would probably be the only reasonable way to gather and analyze this data that wouldn’t be unethical or problematic.

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    In today’s episode, john asks any thoughts on how to quantify online social media interactions at a conference versus those that happen in hallways and bars? I’m not sure that you could.

    online social media interactions are pretty straightforward, particularly those that are in public, your average marketing automation system, that if it’s any good at all, I can pull in social media data from public channels, and store that in the marketing automation system or forwarded on to the CRM, so that you can see who you’re interacting with and append that to existing records, if you have those social handles, one of the challenges you’ll run into is that the social handles of individuals may not necessarily be associated with, you know, companies or deals.

    So you will have to do some cleanup there to be able to see what are the interactions that you’re having on social media? And how does that relate to what you see in in your CRM, the bigger challenge is, the hallways and bars the offline.

    I mean, there are, there are ways that you could theoretically, log all that stuff, you could have a voice recorder, you know, and a microphone is where it, you know, at a big shirt that says I’m recording all the time, otherwise, you are violating wiretap laws.

    So you could, in theory, have this on all the time and just record every single conversation you have.

    And then you have to take this and send it to a transcription service to transcribe it and annotate it.

    But realistically, realistically, probably the only way to do that, at an event would be for sales professionals to to log their interactions to log their contacts and say, Hey, I was at this event.

    And this is these are the people I’ve met.

    And these are the interactions we had.

    And here’s the things that were discussed, we have all been that that person who get home from the event in a big pile of business cards, you know, stacked up on your desk, if you were really clever, you remembered to actually write something down on the cards that give you some semblance of what it was you talked to this person about.

    But for the most part, that’s going to be, that’s probably gonna be the easiest and best ways to, to log those interactions.

    Now, here’s the challenge, quantifying them in terms of what the value they provide is, again, with the online ones, because it’s all within the clickstream.

    And you can detect that activity and move it in, you know, into deals and things into CRM, you can start to estimate some of the interaction value.

    But even still, your timeline is going to be potentially all over the place, depending on what your company sells and how it sells it.

    You know, for my company, we were we were doing an analysis.

    Gosh, when was that? Few months ago.

    And we were trying to do attribution on particular deal types were like, where did this this come from.

    And one of them was a contact I had made with a person eight years ago, eight years ago.

    But you know, this is Trust Insights is only three years old.

    This predates this almost predates my work at my previous company.

    And it just took that long for that person to be in a position to move up into a position in their company where they had the authority to do some kind of a deal.

    And they had a need, they had a clear need for the the analytic services that we offered.

    And so how do you factor that into an ROI model? It’s really difficult.

    It’s really, really difficult.

    At best, though, what you can do is log all the interactions, and then look at the data over time and say, Okay, what things tend to generate deals? Is it events broadly? Is it Hallway Conversations? Is it social media, is it you know, stories in the newspaper, all those things have the potential to generate business but you don’t know until you look at the data? The the interactions people have at conferences.

    You know, I’ve seen some very skilled sales professionals have people signing deals and stuff at the bar.

    I don’t know if that was legally binding if the person was not a clear state of mind while they’re doing so, but I have seen people you know, do business in the event itself.

    Certainly a tradeshow floors and you know, Booth mixes that you see plenty of that.

    But comparing the two would be even more difficult I think because they’re different kinds of conversations.

    The interactions you have with somebody in public on Twitter or Facebook or LinkedIn or Instagram are going to be different by default, from, you know, just hanging out at the bar after a day at the conference.

    So you’re just gonna have very different kinds of conversations, very different kinds of interactions.

    seeing some sales professionals, behave less professional people at conferences at the bar afterwards, you definitely don’t want that in your CRM.

    And because of that, it’s not a true apples to apples comparison from just from the data type alone, you know, online social media conversation of a person sitting in their basement, or in their home office, or wherever, you know, typing into a keyboard versus, you know, hanging out at the bar, you know, over beers, very different kinds of interactions.

    So it would be somewhat foolish to try and create some kind of comparative method for valuation, like what’s the value of this versus that they’re, broadly that you could, you could probably classify the interaction types, and to see how they play a part, have played a role.

    But that would require fairly sophisticated modeling.

    That again, I don’t think a lot of systems would be, I know, no sale systems at all are configured to do that you have to do that manually.

    Self reporting really is the only reasonable way to gather and analyze the hallway conversation data, really is it and even then, with the online stuff, if your CRM or your marketing automation software doesn’t connect to, you know, social inboxes.

    Even that’s going to be something of a mystery, right? If somebody sends you a private message on Twitter, or in Facebook Messenger or whatever, you may not necessarily get that information.

    Some some organizations face even greater challenge where you may have sales professionals doing stuff on their personal accounts that they probably don’t want to connect to the system, corporate systems, but yet the business is being done.

    So again, self reporting is going to be the way to go there.

    The challenge for businesses is going to be motivating a sales professionals to do that self reporting accurately and timely.

    This is something that I’ve never seen a single organization ever, in my career that did not have a problem, getting people to self report.

    I have that problem.

    myself.

    And I’m a co owner of the company, you think of as any we had a motivation to do that it would be the the owners of the company, but I still forget to put stuff in the system as well.

    And the The only real leverage you have as a as an analytics person is to say, like we’re trying to prove the ROI of these things.

    And we need this information.

    If we don’t have this information, then we can’t justify spending money on sending you to Vegas or wherever, for these events.

    So we need you to document stuff.

    That’s typically the only leverage you have from an analytics perspective is to say like you can’t do the things that you enjoy that are fun if you don’t prove that they have some value.

    So that can help with the data problem.

    But at the end of the day, you have it comes down to what data you have.

    And can you prove any kind of interactions that lead to the closing of a deal? Sometimes you will it sometimes if there’s a very logical linear chain of events, other times, they won’t be and those are the times when you have to either get creative or accept that a certain percentage of your your marketing and your sales activity is going to be vague.

    It’s going to be not as clear as you want it to be.

    You could absolutely track for example, when salespeople are at conferences, physically they’re out of the office at these things back in the days when I went to conferences.

    That would be a at least a time based way to track some of those things to see that those activities were in the mix.

    But it’s really good question.

    It’s a tough question to answer.

    There’s no good answers yet.

    And it probably won’t be unless you really like intrusive surveillance.

    So your follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Difference Between Digital PR and Traditional PR?

    You Ask, I Answer: Difference Between Digital PR and Traditional PR?

    Elizabeth asks, “What’s the difference between digital PR and traditional PR?”

    This is in reference to a set of techniques promoted by search engine companies to focus PR outcomes on SEO. In reality, there isn’t and shouldn’t be a difference. If you’re doing public relations well, the outcomes are the same. There shouldn’t be a difference between “digital PR” and PR.

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    In today’s episode, Elizabeth asks, What’s the difference between digital PR and traditional PR? Alright, so this is in reference to something that search engine companies are promoting the idea of digital PR, being focused on SEO outcomes, getting inbound links to your website, getting clicks on those links, etc.

    from high ranking domains.

    Guys, that’s just SEO.

    I mean, it’s fine if you want to rebrand as digital PR, but it’s still just SEO.

    And that’s fine.

    There’s nothing wrong with that, is it a vital important part of the SEO work that you do.

    But PR outcomes, there’s there’s two PR outcomes, right? fundamental attention and trust, great public relations efforts, deliver attention.

    And you can measure that with any way you want.

    And trust, the belief in brand, a company etc.

    and that it’s trustworthy and worth doing business with.

    Those are the two fundamental outcomes, whether you call it digital or traditional, or online or offline, or whatever, it doesn’t matter, the outcomes are the same.

    If the outcomes are not the same, then you’re not doing public relations.

    Now are there.

    Second, secondary effects, other outcomes that come along with that? Yes.

    And that’s where things like SEO metrics come into play.

    Back in the days when I worked at a PR agency, one of the benefits we promoted of good public relations was many of the SEO outcomes like inbound links, referral traffic from other websites and things like that.

    But those are not the program outcomes that you’ll be aiming for.

    Those are beneficial side effects.

    Really, if you are pitching people for links, as opposed to pitching people for coverage, you’re not really doing PR, right, you’re doing SEO.

    And that’s, again, there’s nothing wrong with that.

    But don’t confuse the two.

    And the reason you shouldn’t confuse the two is that SEO has a narrower scope of outcomes.

    And those outcomes may not deliver the kind of results that you get from a great public relations campaign.

    Getting a great link in a story is less impactful to the end user than getting a great story about your company, whether or not it has a link.

    And one of the things that you measure, if you’re doing public relations measurement correctly, one of the things you’re measuring is branded search, how many people are searching for your company by name, right? How many people are searching for Trust Insights, or Christopher Penn within the realm of analytics and data, because there’s a long deceased movie actor by the same name? How many people are searching for that? Right, and I’m doing good public relations, awareness and attention and trust, then those things should increase.

    And by the way, those things may or may not involve inbound links, right? If you are aware of me by name, if you are aware of my company by name, you may not need a link.

    To be able to Google for me, you may just no Top of Mind, oh, I need to I need somebody to help me with Google Analytics for go and type in Christopher Penn Google Analytics and see what comes up.

    Right.

    That’s what great public relations does is it creates that awareness and creates that trust.

    So be very careful when someone is conflating SEO outcomes with public relations outcomes.

    They are different.

    They are equally valuable in their own ways.

    And you can use some metrics from either branch to help measure the other like for for digital PR, SEO.

    Right? You can look for things like unlinked mentions, right? That’s okay.

    One of the things that when we look at how Google’s algorithms work, they do things like entity recognition and entity detection within text to see like what are the words and phrases that are in a block of text that are mentioned near each other that inform the search engine about what constitutes a topic right? It doesn’t necessarily need links to do that bill schlocky over SEO by the sea has dived deep into a lot of Google’s patents on how they do entity recognition and then build a network graph of those entities to determine relevance to determine related terms.

    So good doing great public relations can benefit you even if there’s no link for SEO purposes because it helps associate the topic with your brand.

    If you are constantly being mentioned in the New York Times whether or not you get a link, because the New York Times is such a credible site, it helps build Google’s knowledge graph of everything relevant to that idea.

    And as we talked about, you know, traditional public relations can use SEO metrics as part of the set of outcomes.

    Realistically, when you’re measuring public relations, you’re looking at, you know, four or five buckets and metrics, you’re looking at referral traffic, for sure.

    You’re looking at branded search, you are looking at some of the other SEO metrics as well, you are looking at attention and trust, right, so things like NPS scores can be potentially impacted by that.

    And you were looking at even efficiency of campaigns, right? If you put two ads in front of a consumer, and one ad is by a brand, they recognize that one brand they don’t recognize, which is the consumer more likely to click on, right from just simple probability.

    They’re more likely to click on the ad from the companies whose brand they recognize and like.

    And so there are when you do public relations, well, there are a multitude of outcomes, all of which are measurable, by the way.

    One of the one of the worst things I’ve seen when I worked in public relations was, you know, people making the claim you can’t measure PR, that’s not true.

    I’ve said that in perhaps stronger terms back in those days, but it’s not true.

    The challenge becomes establishing which measurements that you have access to which data you have access to has an actual relevant relevance or correlation to the outcome that you care about as a company.

    So what’s the difference between these two things? There is no difference.

    You know, if you’re doing public relations, right, you’re generating awareness, you’re generating trust? When are you measuring those things by certain outcomes? Yes, including SEO based metrics are in mostly the awareness bucket.

    But things like brand organic search are in the trust bucket.

    Do your measurements well use the data you have available to you? There’s so much so much you can do to measure public relations effectively.

    You’ve just got to have the systems in place, how the processes in place and have the knowledge to know how those things relate to the outcomes that your business cares about.

    So interesting question.

    I say a whole lot more about people mixing up disciplines or moving metrics from one to the other, but I think that we’ll leave it there for now.

    You got follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Tips for Starting to Build Your Personal Brand?

    You Ask, I Answer: Tips for Starting to Build Your Personal Brand?

    Nadia asks, “What are the best tips you would give to someone who has just started building their personal brand?”

    Remember the words of Mitch Joel: it’s not who you know, it’s who knows you. What do you want to be known for? Be crystal clear about that first. Once you know that, once you’re clear on that, then avoid the biggest mistake of all: never build on rented land.

    Follow the why / what / who framework.

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    In today’s episode, Nadia asks, What are the best tips you would give to someone who has just started building their personal brand? Okay, so in the words of Mitch Joel, it’s not who you know, it’s who knows you? And when somebody thinks of you, what are the triggers that make your name come up in their mind and their minds? What right? What? What do you want to be known for? Right? When somebody has a need of some kind? How does your name become top of mind? Before you start building a personal brand, and before you start doing all the tactical stuff, you got to figure out why somebody would call you.

    What is it that you have to offer that is unique and different and, and valuable? that someone would want to follow you to listen to what you have to say, to watch what you produce to read the things that you publish? If you’re not clear on that, building a personal brand is going to be an exercise in frustration.

    And because it is literally literally personal, it is something that can be very disheartening, right? It can be very invalidating your identity, if you put yourself out there and people are like, I don’t care.

    So you have to be very, very clear about what it is that you want to be known for.

    If you don’t know that, don’t build a personal brand.

    Right? How do you make that determination? Well, a big part of that is introspection, and self awareness and understanding what are the common threads in your life that keeps showing up over and over and over again, not necessarily in a work context, or professional context, but just as part of who you are as a human being.

    You know, when I look back at my life, I’ve been playing with computers of some kind, since I was seven years old, I got my first Apple two plus, a beige monstrosity with the the black and green screen.

    And seeing the same story happen over and over and over again in my life, which is taking a piece of technology and making it useful, right, making it useful, doing things with it, you know, winning election and high school to class president and things by using desktop publishing tools to essentially out propagate, gets the glass making friends in college, basically doing tech support with them.

    All of these things, this is this is one of the several common threads in my life, that have been there for a long time.

    And just keep showing up over and over again.

    And even if you’re, you know, just fresh out of college or whatever, it’s, you’ve still got a couple of decades, more or less under your belt, what are the common threads that keep showing up that tell you, this looks like something that is an integral part of me.

    Right? Once you know that, building, the brand becomes a list of tactical things to do.

    But if you don’t have that understanding of why somebody should care about you, the rest of the stuff is not going to be as effective.

    Right? The second major tip, and this is one that almost everybody gets wrong, right out of the gate, do not build on rented land.

    We’ve been saying this in social media since what 2005 do not build on rented land, we’re saying this back in the MySpace days for those of you old enough to remember MySpace.

    And what this means is that yes, things like Facebook, and Twitter and YouTube and Instagram.

    And all these platforms are great.

    They’re great for building awareness.

    They’re great for communicating with people, but they should not be your home base.

    Your Home Base should be something that you own and is under your control.

    And you as long as you keep you know, funding it, you have it, it can’t be taken away from you.

    So things like your website, your email list, the list of contacts, all these things that are under your control.

    That’s where you should be putting your time and energy that’s where you should be putting your growth, your construction.

    Your best material should be in those places first, because you own them and they will not go away on you.

    There is no algorithm that will just make your stuff vanish.

    Now, are there things that can improve its visibility, like SEO and email deliverability rules? Yes.

    But they are less punitive.

    And less arbitrary than say, Zuckerberg saying this week you’re gonna pay this much to have anything of your seen on Facebook? I’d so do not build on rented land? And finally, I would say in terms of the order of operations for what you should be doing, it should be Why what? Who, a lot of people when they start building out their personal brands make the mistake of going after the who first, who should I follow? Who should I connect with? Who should I network with? Who should know who’s who should I meet at conferences, which is fine? Those are important questions.

    But the why and the what needs to come first, why should somebody follow you? or pay attention to you or interact with you? And then what do you have to give them? There’s a rule from business networking, international DNI, called givers gain, you give first, without expectation, not a quid pro quo.

    But you give first, you tend to make relationship building easier.

    So what do you have to offer and you have to give to somebody, again, no expectation, no reciprocity.

    That would convince them that you should be worth paying attention to.

    That can be things like a blog, or a podcast, video series, a video show like this an ebook, a real book of some kind.

    But what do you have to give? That proves your value? That proves that you’ve got something between your ears that answers that question of, what do you want to be known for? Why, what, then who, and then the who parts are pretty straightforward.

    This idea of you know, leveraging an arbitrage, there’s a actually don’t have a book called The red paperclip.

    One red paperclip, I believe about bartering up and up and up.

    And just minor imbalances in power that you used to ladder up in, in trade to gain advantage.

    And the same thing was true for influence.

    Can you go and ask, you know, a superstar in your industry to feature you in their newsletter? No, nope, you’re gonna get lost in the crowd? Can you ask somebody who has just slightly more of an audience than you do? to collaborate with them? Yes, you can.

    So if you have 50 people on your newsletter list, find somebody got 55 people on your newsletter list, hey, do you want to do a collaboration? Do you want to do a list swap? Do you want to do whatever it is that you have to offer mutual value in doing so, you will lever yourself up to to bigger and better things.

    And so that’s sort of the who side of things is, is using that slight bit of arbitrage, to get growth to end provide value to other people as well.

    So one of my friends recently saying, Hey, I’m almost at, you know, X number of newsletter subscribers, would you share this with a friend, you should be looking at other lists of similar size and saying, hey, do you want to do a list swap, which is where you run an ad in your own newsletter for somebody else’s newsletter, they do the same for you same amount of space, same, you know, value proposition, things like that.

    But in doing so, you create value for both parties, especially if there’s not a whole lot of overlap.

    So those would be the starting tips.

    understand the why.

    Why is somebody care about you at all? Understand the what what do you have to offer value and understand the who who should you be working with to build that brand because it’s something that you you can do it alone, but it’s a lot easier to do if you have a collective of people who are all trying to do the same thing and working together.

    If you got follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Tips for Getting The Most From Virtual Events?

    You Ask, I Answer: Tips for Getting The Most From Virtual Events?

    Erika asks, “What are your tips for getting the most out of virtual events as an attendee?”

    A great question given the changed world we live in. First, prioritize what’s transient – what are the things that you can only get during the virtual event? Sessions are generally recorded and you can go back to them later. What won’t you be able to access when the event is over?

    Second, what’s your burning question?

    Third, how many people can you ask your burning question to and where? Virtual events are better for this sort of thing than real life ones!

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    In today’s episode, Erica asks, What are your tips for getting the most out of virtual events? As an attendee? This is a great question given the changed world that we live in, and the fact that we’re going to be going to virtual events for at least another year.

    So if we’re going to invest the money, the time, etc, we need to get the most out of them.

    So virtual events are typically going to be a combination of a few different things.

    There’s, of course, the talking heads sessions, there may be some live sessions, there may be some networking and other activities and stuff that go with that.

    And of course, there’s the usual stuff like the vendor halls and things.

    So the first thing that you want to do with any kind of online event is look at all those different activities and make note of which things you will have access to after the event and which things you won’t.

    So what are those transient, intangible things that are going to fade away? As soon as the event is over? Sometimes that may be like a chat rooms? They have I’ve seen some events like have have speed dating and other networking things, breakout rooms, etc.

    What are those things that once events over you, that you simply won’t be able to get access to? Chances are, it’s going to be a lot of live stuff.

    So live chats, q&a is asked me anything’s those are all stuff that you want to prioritize, you want to put that at the top of your list, what stuff will there simply not be a chance to get back to later, the sessions, the you know, the all the recordings and stuff, there’s a good chance that you’re going to be able to access those up to a month after the event if not longer.

    So it’s probably a pretty safe bet that you can make note of the ones you want to attend.

    And then obviously, get them get the recordings, whenever you want.

    To have a discussion with attendees about a session, you may obviously need to attend those sessions, particularly if the event is structured in such a way where there’s a session, and then there’s like 20 minutes of live q&a with the session presenter as a fairly common thing.

    So you may want to sit through the sessions.

    With a virtual event, you got to book the time, you got to pretend that you’re at the actual event.

    You know, one of the things that’s great about real events is it takes you out of the space that you’re in every day, and put you in a situation where you are more receptive to learning because you’re not at the office Well, right now you’re at the office, right? You never leave the office.

    And so, for these events, you have to act as though you are not available.

    So setting all your stuff on Do Not Disturb not taking calls, not booking meetings.

    It’s hard.

    That’s really hard.

    I, I know how difficult that can be for a lot of people where they don’t feel like they can escape the office, you got to try even I mean, you could even go to the maybe illogical extreme of like booking a hotel room, you know, locally, and just, you know, spending the day there where you’re not at the office, just to put yourself in a different mindset.

    Second thing with any event, live or virtual in person or not, is to come up with your burning question, what is the question that you need an answer to? No matter what the event is? That, you know, that’s what you want on the event, you’re going to ask as many people that question as possible.

    Whatever your burning question is, Hey, does anybody know how to, you know increase the the memory window of a T five transformer? Does anybody know? How to get related keywords for your SEO tool? Does anybody know how to get LinkedIn analytics? Whatever your burning question is, make sure that you have it, you’re clear on it.

    And you’ve already googled it and stuff so that you’ve got the easy answers.

    Now you can get the more sophisticated answers that will help you make the most of any event.

    Frankly, it helps you make the most of any interaction period.

    Because if you are talking to somebody with purpose, there’s less chance of wasting your time there’s less chance of wasting their time.

    And you get provable value when you get back to the office when you get back to your normal work life.

    Third, with virtual events, how many people can you ask your burning question to and where and this is where virtual events actually have a bit of a leg up on real world events.

    When you go to real world event and you sit down at you know the table the meal times and you’re surrounded by you know eight to 10 other people all eating hotel chicken or standing in the buffet line.

    You You haven’t experienced there, which is good.

    You know, you can certainly listen to what other people have to say.

    But it can be tricky because you know, some people are louder than others.

    Some people don’t feel comfortable talking in front of others.

    Some people just talk over other people all the time.

    You don’t have that problem virtually.

    Right.

    So you know, the events Facebook group or slack group, or wherever your event is happening, it’s, it’s networking, that’s a great place to be able to ask your burning question to a lot of people a lot more people, more people than you could sit down with at a table and be able to sensibly hear their answers.

    So bring that burning question and hold on to every single person and say, Hey, has anybody figured out how to access LinkedIn analytics from from an API or a web scraper? or whatever? The The, the burning question is that you have Doing so will get you more answers and probably better answers.

    I know, I’ve had the experience of asking somebody, and, you know, you’re sitting at the table with them at a mealtime.

    And it’s awkward, they feel like they have to say something, even if they have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, and they have no credible information to offer on the topic.

    I’ve sat down with people who feel like they just have to have something to say no matter what.

    You don’t get that, again, in virtual environments, right, you’ll get as much you will get, you know, the standard, you know, mansplaining here and there.

    But for the most part, people who have actually something to say on the topic, in a virtual environment will will contribute and people who don’t, won’t feel a social obligation, like they’re sitting next to you.

    And they’re like, uh, huh, hi.

    You don’t get that in the virtual environment.

    So that’s, the third thing is to make sure, a fourth thing, make sure that you’re asking your burning questions for as many people in the places that the event is set aside during the event, because again, that’s going to be one of those things that’s transient, once the event is over.

    It’s going to be harder to ask people those questions.

    The same is true with the various speakers and things, even if the speaker is not in the live things, right.

    You know, they a lot of his sessions are pre recorded at many events, you can absolutely, you know, with greater context, you know, tweet at them or hit them up on, on wherever it is that they are, and say, Hey, I just watched your session at content marketing world.

    And they’re like, Oh, yeah, that’s right.

    That’s This Week, isn’t it? I have a question for you.

    Can I ask you a question? Right? It’s it is contextually more relevant to cold outreach to a speaker at the event that they’re speaking at? Then it would be say, other times the or not, but I think that would be that many people who’d be jerks and say, like, no, you’re not allowed to talk to me? If I’m not at the event.

    But certainly, from a context perspective, it makes you sad to say, Oh, that’s right.

    I just, I just did that workshop on on AI for content marketers.

    Yeah.

    What’s your question? We can have a conversation about the workshop that you did, because even if I as a speaker didn’t attend, any other sessions can at least, hopefully Remember what I said in my own session, and answer questions for it.

    So that would be again, one of those things that from a context perspective, use that time during the event to ask questions relevant to the event to people who are who are presenting there.

    Again, it’s a good opportunity to do that.

    So those would be my main suggestions.

    prioritize the transient, set up the environment, figure out your burning question, and then ask those questions.

    That question is to as many people as possible and get as much information as you can on your burning question.

    If you’re about to head into an event, like you know, content marketing world, or marketing products, or whatever, and you don’t have your burning question, take the 30 minutes to really boil that down, right to Google some stuff.

    And to get to a point where you’re like, Oh, yeah, this is a question I’ve not been able to find the answer to it will pay dividends for weeks, months, years to come.

    I’ve had burning questions that have given me a couple of years of things to research and work on some great question got follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.

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