In today’s episode, Shara asks for good ChatGPT prompts beyond “optimize for SEO.” I explain treating it like an intern – give step-by-step instructions, not vague directives. Share key concepts, outline requirements, provide research sources. Tune in for actionable tips on crafting effective prompts for generative AI.
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In today’s episode, Shara asks, I often use chat GPT for copy on my website.
Are there any good prompts to use besides optimized content for SEO? Okay.
That is not the best prompt to use for, for using chat GPT to optimize for SEO or anything.
What you want to think about prompting it to do is think about these tools like they’re the world’s smartest intern.
If you had an, a brand new intern day one at the company and you sit them down at your desk and give them the coffee and stuff like that, would you hand them a blog post or a page and say, Hey, optimize this content for SEO.
Would you do that? I sure hope not.
I sure hope not because you’re going to get not great results.
Right.
You’re going to get terrible results because the intern’s going to be like, I don’t know what SEO is, I don’t know what your website’s about.
I can wing it and hope it turns out well.
And it’s not going to turn out well.
Instead, if you had the world’s smartest intern and they sat down day one on the job and you hand them a piece of content and you said, Hey, use this piece of content, I want you to expand on it.
I want you to use the phrase industrial concrete more frequently.
I want you to use a thesaurus and do some research on Wikipedia on what other things co relate with industrial concrete.
I want you to look up maybe five interesting facts about industrial concrete.
I want you to be able to answer the question in the text.
What happens if you’re laying concrete and it rains for several days? Side note.
That’s a good thing.
It helps the concrete cure faster.
And I want you to write in professional tone of voice.
I want it to be 1500 words.
I want you to avoid adverbs.
I want you to avoid passive voice.
Go.
Would that get you a better result from the intern than say, Hey, here’s some content optimizer for SEO.
Of course it would.
You get so much better results from that long set of directions that you gave the intern because they would have more of an idea of what to do.
That is what an artificial intelligence model is.
A generative AI model is a smart intern on day one of the job every day.
Every time you turn it on, every time you hit the new chat button, it is day one on the job and you have to tell that intern how to do their job.
That’s one of the reasons why in all the trainings and keynotes and workshops I give, I tell people keep a, keep a prompt library, keep a journal of prompts so that every time you have to re prompt the intern to tell them who they are and what their job is, you don’t have to rewrite it from scratch.
Every time you can copy and paste the two paragraphs say, Hey, intern, here’s who you are.
Here’s what you’re doing.
Here’s the key concepts and so on and so forth.
That would be my suggestion.
My friend Andy Crestodina has a great gap analysis SEO prompt.
He will say, Hey, based on what you know about industrial concrete and all the keywords that go with it and stuff, here is my content about industrial concrete.
Tell me what I’m missing that would be of interest to my buyer persona.
And he provides the buyer persona as well.
And the tools will do exactly that.
They’ll say, okay, I’ve got your content.
I’ve got your buyer persona.
Let me see based on what I know, what the buyer persona would probably be interested in is that in your content or not.
And that gap analysis is so powerful for making your content more useful because if the tool can identify most pages about industrial concrete talk about curing and yours does not, you probably want to have that on there.
You probably want to have a whole paragraph about how industrial concrete is cured and how it can be ready for service in a certain amount of time and what the structural integrity of it and what that the tensile force load is on it all these things that go into content about concrete you would provide you provide to the intern, you would tell them here’s what to do.
And that gap analysis is incredibly powerful for SEO because it satisfies user intent.
And because semantically it will have more of the words and phrases that a service like Google would expect to see on a page about industrial concrete.
If you had a page on on espresso, what words and phrases would you expect to see on that page? Google’s looking, Google’s looking for lattes and cappuccinos and mochachinos and all that stuff.
And if those words aren’t there then in its computations for how it determines things like trustworthiness or expertise, if those words are missing, there’s a chance that it’s going to say, hey, you know what, you don’t seem to be particularly expert about this because you’re missing a whole bunch of words that should be there.
If you use Andy’s trick for gap analysis, you will at least not make those mistakes.
At least you will at least not have those persistent gaps in your content.
So that is the answer for today.
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In today’s episode, Kim asks if using ChatGPT for content hurts SEO. I explain it’s just a tool – good prompts make it effective, bad prompts make it useless. Invest time learning to prompt properly and AI can improve quality and speed. Tune in to get actionable advice on leveraging AI as a content creation asset.
You Ask, I Answer: ChatGPT Negatively Affecting SEO?
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In today’s episode, Kim asks, if bandwidth is an issue, can you use chat GPT to help write blog like content or will this affect SEO negatively? What you write in chat GPT isn’t going to affect SEO one way or the other.
Inherently intrinsically as a tool, right? It’s like, will using Microsoft Word affect SEO? Not really.
It’s a tool.
What will affect your SEO is writing crap content, right? If you are, if bandwidth and time is an issue, there’s a good chance that what the machine will produce will be better because it’s simply faster.
And if it takes you eight hours to write a blog post and you rush and you get done in four, the quality of your writing in that four hours is probably going to be lower.
If on the other hand, you have that same four hour time window, and you have chat GPT to do the first draft in five minutes, then that leaves you much more time to edit it to refine it to ask it to rewrite parts of it to enhance it, etc.
chat GPT and all the generative AI tools are literally just that they’re just tools.
They are very good tools.
They are highly capable tools, but they are still just tools.
And as a result, if we treat them like magic oracles, some kind we’re going to get bad results, we’re going to get results that we’re not satisfied with.
If we treat them as tools, like a word processor, and we learn what they can and can’t do well, we’re going to get better results, we’re going to get more coherent results, more thorough results, and of course, faster results.
The question you have to ask yourself is how much time are you willing to invest learning how to work with generative AI tools like chat GPT so that you generate really good results.
A lot of people take this approach of thinking that chat GPT and tools like it can read your mind you type in, write a blog post about B2B marketing.
That’s going to do you no good.
Statistically, the model is going to look at the most frequently associated co-occurring terms with that and you’re going to get a blog post that is bland, that’s generic, that says nothing that has no point of view, that is terrible content.
And that’s not the tools part.
The tool is not a mind reader.
The tool is a bit like the the old mythological genie in a lamp that grants you wishes.
You have to be real careful what you ask for because you will get what you ask for, even if it’s not what you want.
Because what we ask for and what we want tend to be different things sometimes.
So treat them like that.
Treat them like a genie in a lamp or the world’s smartest intern.
Does having the world’s smartest intern help you write your blog content faster if your bandwidth crunched? Sure.
With enough preparation and training and information and guidance to generate a good result.
It’s not magic.
It will not do things that it is not asked to do.
And so if in our prompting, we do not specify our requirements carefully, we don’t say, Hey, this is what I want you to do step by step.
It will not generate them.
If you want an example of what a prompt should look like, at least as a starter prompt, go to trust insights.ai slash prompt sheet, and you can get our free one page PDF, no forms to fill out or anything.
But that prompt will get you started on writing more thorough prompts that will that will generate better results for you than just walking up to it and say, Hey, write me a blog post about x.
That’s not going to go well.
So yes, you absolutely can use chat, GPT and tools like it to write blog content.
But it’s like anything, it is a skill to learn prompt engineering.
And it is essential that you invest the time to to foster and grow that skill so that you can reap those time savings and quality improvements from artificial intelligence.
If you don’t invest that time, if you don’t learn how to use the tool, you’re not going to see the savings any more than buying a blender and not reading the manual and then wondering, Hey, my steak dinner turned out really poorly.
Yeah, you didn’t read the manual and you used a tool for your outcome that should not go with that outcome.
And as a result, you’re drinking your steak tonight.
Sorry.
So yes, you can use chat GPT with training and experience.
And the outcome the results will improve your SEO and your writing in general when you use it properly.
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In today’s episode, Mary asks how SEO pros can stay ahead in an AI world. I explain using AI to improve your skills, then combining your strengths with AI to boost results. Critiquing content with AI reveals blind spots and creates superior outputs. Tune in to learn how partnering with AI can dramatically increase the quality and productivity of your work.
You Ask, I Answer: SEO Professionals Staying Ahead in AI?
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In today’s episode, Mary asks, “What advice would you have for SEO professionals and digital marketers who want to stay ahead in the AI-driven SEO landscape?” Use AI.
Use AI as much as you can as a marketer, generative AI in particular, to figure out what you’re good at and what you’re not good at.
Can you use a tool like DALI or StableDiffusion or Anthropix Cloud 2 or ChatGPT? Can you use these tools to make better stuff, to make faster stuff, to make stuff that satisfies your audience’s needs? At the end of the day, in SEO, what matters is are we satisfying user intent? What matters is, is our content better than the competitors? If you have someone who is unskilled at AI, making content, versus someone who is a skilled human writer, the unskilled person will make content faster, but it won’t be better.
The skilled human writer will make content slower probably, but it will be better.
What you want to do is figure out how do I get this skilled writer to start using AI and to skill up everybody who is using AI to generate better results, learn how to write better prompts, learn how to have better conversations with the computer.
So that no matter where your skill level is, you can be more productive.
One of the fascinating things that came out of the recent BCG study that was done with Harvard Business School was that they showed for knowledge workers, for consultants, they were able to achieve like a 43% increase in work quality from the bottom half of employees in terms of performance versus only 17% increase in productivity for the top half.
Now granted, both are big numbers.
Both are important, right? If you can get 70% more of anything positive, you’re probably pretty happy.
But if you’re getting 43% more productivity out of your low performers, that is gigantic.
That is huge.
Every employee who works now in the digital market, in AI, in SEO, has the ability to use AI to get better at what they do, to improve the results of what they do dramatically.
17 to 43% better results.
So your first task as a human being in the AI driven SEO landscape is to get better at SEO, is to get better at digital marketing using generative AI tools.
Use them to ideate, use them to brainstorm, use them to write, use them to fact check, use them to do gap analysis, use them to reflect the voice of the customer and critique your content.
One of my favorite things to do is set up a customer persona in a tool like ChatGPT or Anthropocs Cloud 2 and say, “Here is who you’re going to be.
You’re going to role play the persona of your ideal customer.
Here’s my content.
Critique it and tell me what parts I’ve done right to appeal to you, persona, and what parts I missed the boat on.” You will be surprised, very surprised, at how thorough the machines are, how correct and complete the machines are, and how many blind spots you have in your own content creation.
I am consistently shocked when I see this.
I’m like, “I can’t believe I forgot about that.
I can’t believe I forgot about this thing that we know is important to the customer.” It would be like writing a blog post about spaghetti and meatballs and omitting sauce.
Like, “Ah, I was so focused on the spaghetti part and the meatball part, I totally forgot the sauce part.” A good machine will say, “Hey, you forgot the sauce.
Put the sauce in and it’ll be better.” That’s what these tools do, is they are really good at things like gap analysis as well as copy editing as well as proofreading, developmental editing, even saying, “Hey, how else would you write this? What else would you add to this? What did I miss? What could make this better? What could make it more compelling for my target persona?” Learn to use the tools to do that kind of work and your SEO efforts, your content marketing efforts, your digital marketing efforts will all be phenomenally better.
You will be legendary in your circles for being able to create really good content with the assistance of AI.
And note that we’re not talking about just letting AI do it all.
We’re talking about you and AI working together to generate outputs that are better than either one of you would have generated individually.
It’s the old cliche, what? Two plus two equals five.
That’s what we’re talking about here.
So that would be my advice.
Use AI as much as you can for every task that you can within your workflow until you figure out the things it can’t do and the things it’s really good at.
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In today’s episode, Thomas asks if Google will check for AI-generated content. I explain Google wants happy users, so they’ll likely focus on content quality, not authorship. Satisfying users is key, so don’t worry if content is AI or human—make it good. Tune in to learn why Google cares about content quality, not creation method.
You Ask, I Answer: Google Checking for AI Content?
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In today’s episode, Thomas asks, What would be the impact of Google implemented a content check in its algorithm one day to distinguish between AI written and human written content? Okay.
If Google were to implement that check, they will use it for feature engineering, they would essentially say this was AI written, this was human written.
Does that feature matter? In terms of what the user prefers, because all of Google’s algorithms that we’ve seen so far, are about two things.
One, optimizing to get key people using Google.
And two, optimizing to keep people using Google because they get good results out of it.
And so if Google were to implement that check, it would be to determine if AI written content was better than or worse than human written content.
And this is, this is the heart of what they have said about their own search algorithms, they have said, we don’t care who wrote it, we care that it’s good, we care that satisfies searcher intent.
And that is something that a lot of SEO folks are having a real hard time with.
And a lot of content creators to Google’s agnostic.
Google wants happy users, happy users are returning users.
Returning users are people who are essentially using the search engine.
And that in turn means showing more ads, etc, etc.
So there’s no surprise there.
In Google’s intent, they want us using their service.
So does it matter? Whether it’s AI or human written content? Not really.
What matters is, does the user get what they want? And if you generate two pieces of content, right? One is AI made, and one is human made.
And AI one is better.
The user is going to favorite by staying on page longer by not pogo sticking out of it by engaging with it more than me by sharing it, etc.
And so the AI content will win.
If the human content is better, the human content will win again.
One of the things that is pretty unlikely is that Google is going to spend a lot of time trying to distinguish between whether or not a piece of content was written by machine or human because that’s a computationally very expensive thing to do.
Right? It’s computationally very expensive.
And as a result, that would slow down search listings, that would that would complicate the results that you get.
And there’s not a clear indication as to why you would do that unless you’re regularly required to do so.
There’s not clear indication why that would make sense for Google to do.
Because at the end of the day, Google just wants you happy, and staying on this site and using Google.
So I would expect less that they would say, Hey, this is AI written a human written and much more focus on is it satisfying user needs because the reality is if you’re good at using generative AI, you will produce good content.
If you are good at writing, you will produce good content.
Both things are the same.
Both things are people using the tools that they have to make stuff for the user.
And to the extent that it makes people happy, Google will favor it.
So worry less about whether Google is going to be checking your content for AI or not, and more about whether the content even is appreciated by the audience by the people that you want to have viewing it.
And if it’s any good, is the content any good? So that would be my suggestion.
Thanks for the question.
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In today’s episode, Al asks if AI will flood search with repetitive content, requiring paid ads for visibility. I explain how generic prompts produce generic content, but specific prompts enable unique content. However, even in a sea of sameness, distinctly valuable content will stand out organically. So create content people genuinely want, and you won’t need to pay for visibility.
You Ask, I Answer: Generative AI Content Sameness in SEO?
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In today’s episode, Al asks, “Would AI offer a sea of sameness that would render organic rankings useless? Would everyone need to pay to play through paid ads in Google search to get any traction?” So, there is a risk of a lot of similar content being created because of the nature of artificial intelligence and because people’s prompting skills are not sufficiently developed to the point where they can create truly unique content with a lot of generative AI models, tools like ChatGPT, for example.
When everyone is typing in, “Write a blog post about B2B marketing,” right? Yeah, you’re going to get a lot of sameness.
The more specific and detailed your prompts are, the more unique your content that comes out of a generative model is going to be.
If you said, “Write a blog post about B2B marketing in the industrial concrete industry, focusing specifically on trade shows and events, and appealing to stakeholders of different generations with an emphasis on Gen Z as the upcoming new buyers.” Guess what? There’s a lot more words in there.
There’s a lot more context in there.
There’s more for the model to grab a hold of and generate new content.
So yes, for a while, you’re going to have a lot of the same as people start using these tools and realize that yes, they can create content very quickly, but it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s any good.
Does that mean that you have to pay to play? Maybe.
So there’s two things on this front.
One, the recent testimonies for, gosh, I’m trying to remember which trial it is, but Google’s basically been on trial.
And in those depositions on trial, it has come out that things like running ads does influence search rankings to some degree, as well as user behaviors like clicking on search listings influences the search algorithms as well.
So does it mean that you need to run paid ads? It probably doesn’t hurt to do so.
But on that sea of sameness, here’s the thing.
If everything is the same, right, then yeah, Google’s not going to know necessarily what to do.
But if something stands out as being substantially different, something is obviously different in a better way, right? If you think about it, you can spot it very quickly.
Google can spot it very quickly.
Hey, there’s something in this pile here that’s different than it will stand out.
Remember that Google doesn’t spend a lot of time looking at content itself.
It crawls it, it indexes it, and displays it in rankings.
But user behavior and what people do with it, how quickly they pogo stick in and out of listings, how long they spend on a page, what they engage with, what other listings they they go back and forth to.
And now of course, with search generative experiments, they have to keep asking questions because the answers were not satisfactory.
All of those things are things that Google’s algorithms can take into account faster, and it’s computationally a lower weight than trying to do a lot of natural language processing.
People forget that Google is a massive, massive entity with a ridiculous amount of data.
And the search engine itself has to return results very, very quickly, which means it doesn’t have time for elaborate computations.
What it’s doing is essentially taking, as far as we know, taking this numerical summaries of the features it’s already indexed and returning those in relevance.
So what that means is if your content stands out to humans, if people engage with it, they like it, they share it, they click through to it, and they don’t come back for a really long time.
If Google Analytics sees that, you know, obviously that it is also tracking data and sending it back to Google, depending on whether you check that box in your GA, install or not, all of that contributes some level of signal to Google.
So if you are creating content that people actually want, like really want, you will not need to pay for it.
It doesn’t hurt to pay for it, but you won’t need to pay for it.
But the challenge for a lot of marketers is most of their content is not that good.
Most of their content is not worth spending a lot of time with.
And here’s the bench test for you.
Your company’s content, the content that you’re marketing and promoting, would you willingly read it if you were not employed by our company? Now, assuming you were still in that industry, right? If you were left in, if you work in industrial concrete and you left the industrial concrete industry, you would have no reason to read industrial concrete content, period.
But if you were still in the industry, just didn’t work for your company, would you still find your content valuable enough to read it? If the answer is no, then you’re going to have trouble in rankings no matter what, because people simply just don’t want what you have.
And that is the eternal battle for SEO, for content marketing, is making stuff that people actually care about and want.
The more people want it, the less you got to pay to promote it, because other people will do the marketing for you.
And it is so trite and so cliche and yet still 100% true.
If you have something people actually want, they will do the marketing for you.
So that is the hard part.
That is the part that you’ve got to crack to make search in an AI world worth it.
You’ve got to have stuff that people want, whether you wrote it, whether an AI wrote it, doesn’t matter.
It’s just got to be so good that people actually want it.
Anyway, that’s the episode for today.
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What’s On My Mind: Key Roles in Your Generative AI Pilot Team
Today, let’s talk about who should be on your AI pilot team. Well, first, let’s talk about what an AI pilot team is. Many, many organizations right now have individual people trying out generative AI for all kinds of purposes, from drafting emails to content creation to coding. Very few of those uses are officially sanctioned, supervised, or audited, which can lead to some pretty big problems down the road – problems like data leakage.
This is really the heart of the matter: generative AI is a transformative technology. Like electricity or the Internet itself, generative AI changes everything it touches. And like electricity and the Internet, it can be used for great good or great harm. Clamping down on the use of generative AI with a bury-your-head policy and point of view handicaps your organization. More progressive, more risk-taking competitors will adopt generative AI while you hide from it and they’ll eat your lunch. They’ll be faster, cheaper, and better than you. That’s not a winning formula for success.
But a free-for-all, no-holds-barred approach isn’t a winning formula either. People will use it for tasks they shouldn’t – either because the task itself isn’t well suited for AI, or there’s substantial risk, like working with protected data in unprotected systems. For example, someone who uploads personally-identifying information into a system like ChatGPT is basically handing protected information to an unsanctioned third party. That’s not the right approach either.
The best choice is that centered approach – neither too risk averse, nor too reckless. But how do we get there? That’s the role of an AI pilot team. What is an AI pilot team? It’s a group of people selected to help build out use cases for generative AI, do small-scale pilot projects to validate the use cases, and help create standard operating procedures that enable AI without compromising safety or harming innovation.
To achieve this goal, an AI pilot team needs a very specific set of skills, skills that help achieve the overall goal of enabling AI in your organization. The right people with the right roles will quickly dispel misconceptions and roll out practical use cases for your organization to adopt generative AI.
What are these roles? In no particular order, you will need five major roles:
Data expert
Business expert
Subject matter expert
Technical expert
Supervisory expert
Let’s step through what each of these roles do on an AI pilot team.
The Data Expert
The data expert’s role is very straightforward: to know what data is available within your organization, where it lives, who has access to it, how protected the data is, and how, if at all, that data can be surfaced for use with generative AI.
In the pilot team, the data expert is essential for knowing what data you’re allowed to work with and help develop use cases for generative AI with that data. This doesn’t necessarily have to be someone with a formal database or data engineering background, either – it just needs to be someone who knows where the data is and what you’re allowed to do with it.
The Business Expert
Someone on the pilot team has to ask the question that my partner and CEO Katie Robbert asks me all the time, which is, “So what?” What’s the purpose of any given use case? What does it do for the business, for your department, for the goals you’ve set out to achieve.
Generative AI is the shiny object of the moment and everyone’s still trying to figure out what it is and isn’t good at, but someone has to ask the So what? question on a regular and frequent basis so that the pilot projects make sense. Eventually, when you present your results to your stakeholders, they’ll ask the same question, so it’s easiest if you start with that question in mind.
The Subject Matter Expert
In many companies, the subject matter expert is not the business expert. How the company makes money is different from how the company does what it does. The lead food scientist is not the CFO or the COO, even though both are important. The subject matter expert’s role on the AI pilot team is to bring deep knowledge about the company and its core competencies, mapping what’s known about existing processes to generative AI capabilities.
For example, suppose you work at a bakery. The subject matter expert would be the head baker and would be able to help you understand how the existing recipes were developed. You’d use that knowledge to work with generative AI, maybe to create some new recipes, and then your subject matter expert would inspect the outputs and say yes, that’s feasible or no, that recipe won’t work because a large language model somehow assumed baking powder and baking soda are the same thing.
The Technical Expert
The technical expert’s role in an AI pilot project is clear: their job is to help manage the implementation and usage of generative AI. They provide knowledge about what AI can and cannot do, help map AI to current processes, and do the deployments of generative AI within pilot projects.
Here’s where we’re going to get a bit challenging. The technical expert, by definition, is the person or persons in your organization who have the most experience with generative AI specifically. Not a general technical expert necessarily, not an IT person, but the person who has the most hands on knowledge of generative AI.
That might very well be the most junior person on your team, or the janitor for all you know. But whoever it is, they need to be on the pilot team because they’ll be the best at helping bring use cases to life.
The Supervisor/Scientific Expert
It’s fine to tinker around with generative AI, to test out different things and see how things go. However, once you start building out an actual AI practice, winging it and tinkering are unsustainable strategies. It’s what companies did most wrong with the advent of smartphones in the workplace. Companies ignored them or tried to ban them and employees kept bringing them.
If we want to avoid the same mistake this time around, we need a scientifically-minded expert on our team, someone who can set up the testing and measurement of our pilot use cases, show meaningful and mathematically sound improvements, and critically ask the one question that is almost never asked enough in AI:
What could go wrong?
The scientifically minded expert knows to ask that question, knows to plan for all manner of scenarios going sideways, and knows to anticipate problems in advance when designing experiments and test cases.
Rolling Out the Roles
You might be saying to yourself right now, we don’t have nearly enough people to build out a team of five just for piloting AI. Or you might be in the opposite boat and saying a team of five isn’t nearly large enough to encapsulate all the different departments and roles and use cases in your mammoth organization. That’s why I call these roles instead of jobs. One person can play multiple roles in smaller organizations, and many people can participate in just one role in larger organizations.
For example, at my company, I play the role of the data expert and the technical expert. Sometimes I play the role of subject matter expert, sometimes not. Katie often plays the role of the scientific expert and the business expert. What matters is that someone’s fulfilling all five of the roles in some capacity so we don’t have a dangerous blind spot.
At a large enterprise, I could see each of these roles being part of a pilot team in every department. HR might have its own pilot team with one or more people in each role. Finance would have its own pilot team. Sales would have its own pilot team. Again, as with the small company, the key is to ensure you have all five roles covered in some capacity.
Your AI pilot team, properly staffed, will be the vanguard, the scouts ahead of the army who spot the obstacles and clear the path for everyone else. In a different issue, we’ll talk about the soft skills you need for each of the people on the pilot team, because there are some critical personality traits you do and don’t want on your AI pilot team. For now, start thinking about who your AI pilot team might want to have on it, and what roles they’ll play.
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What’s On My Mind: The Generative AI Beginner’s Kit
One of the most common questions people ask me on a regular and frequent basis is, “Okay, but how do I get started with this stuff, with generative AI? Where do I begin? What tools should I use?” The answer to that question varies, based on what you want to do. Do you want to summarize text? Write stories? Compose artworks? To answer this question, I’ve put together The Beginner’s Generative AI Starter Kit, which looks like this:
Let’s talk through each of the components in the starter kit, because it’s important to understand it and the philosophy behind it.
First, you’ll notice an absence of specific vendors for the most part. You won’t find named products for the most part on the starter kit; instead, it’s almost all foundation technologies. This is a conscious choice because the capabilities of foundation models evolve more quickly than most vendors are able to keep up with. For example, less than a month ago, OpenAI released GPT-4V, their multimodal vision model that can see image data you give it and interpret it accordingly.
One of the best practices in AI is to stick as close to foundation models as you can, so that as their capabilities grow, your capabilities grow along with them. You want to avoid getting tied to a specific SaaS vendor unless they provide something that’s so compelling and so unique, nothing else on the market compares to it.
This beginner’s kit also has the caveat that many of the tools listed are third party software, like ChatGPT. There are plenty of circumstances – confidential information, trade secrets, protected information – where using any third party tool is inappropriate or outright illegal. It’s your responsibility as a user to know when you should and should not use any given tool based on the sensitivity of the data you’re working with.
Let’s talk about money briefly. You can use tools in their free versions, but know that the free versions are less capable than their paid cousins. For example, the free version of ChatGPT uses the GPT-3.5 model, which is substantially less powerful and less knowledgeable than the paid version’s access to GPT-4V. If you have the budget, pay for the upgrade for ChatGPT and Anthropic’s Claude 2.
Okay, that said, let’s dig into this toolkit. Our first two categories are for purely text-based tasks. If you’re working with text that is under 8,000 words – like blog posts, emails, etc. then the recommended tool is ChatGPT+, the paid version, using either the 3.5 or the 4/4V model. Why? It’s the most used, which means it has the most known examples and the most people who can help you if you get stuck. GPT-4 is also the most capable model for these smaller text tasks.
GPT-4 has a context window – which is technical for a working memory – of between 8,192 and 32,768 tokens. Tokens are roughly four letter fragments of words, so the previous paragraph is 90 words, 120 tokens.
That’s why if you use ChatGPT extensively in a single, long-running chat, it starts to forget things. When you use it for longer than its context window, it forgets what you said early on. That’s why, for text tasks over 8,000 words, I recommend using Anthropic’s Claude 2. It has a context window of 100,000 tokens, or roughly 70,000 words at a time. Now, why not use Claude for everything? It’s not as strong at some text tasks; the GPT-4 model in ChatGPT+ is still the best in class model for a lot of tasks.
Okay, onto images. For image generation, there are two good choices. The free choice is Microsoft Bing Image Creator, which uses the OpenAI DALL-E 3 back end. This free image generator – and you get about 100 free image generations a day – is very powerful and very good. You need to use a Microsoft-supported web browser like Microsoft Edge to use it, especially on a Mac. You can also use it in the Bing mobile app on all platforms. For the paid choice, ChatGPT+ supports DALL-E 3 natively. This is my preferred choice because you can have a conversation in natural language with ChatGPT and it will in turn refine its DALL-E 3 prompts, which is a more intuitive and easier way to work with the image generation model.
Creating images is one thing; analyzing them is another. Right now, two models support image upload and analysis – Google Bard and ChatGPT+. Bard is free and very capable; in my tests, it’s done pretty well with image recognition. ChatGPT+ is paid. In both cases, you upload an image and then you can ask the AI of your choice questions about the image. For example, you can upload a picture of your homepage and have it do UI testing, or upload a photo of a meal and ask it to list common ingredients and recipes for that meal. The only thing neither model is permitted to do right now is do analysis on images of people’s faces.
Next up, let’s talk about realtime information. Tools like ChatGPT+ have large language models that are trained on known datasets. In many cases, those datasets are not current; ChatGPT+ ends its window of awareness at January 2022. Claude stops at roughly October 2022. If you need data that’s more current, you need to use AI that’s connected to realtime data sources. The two best choices here are Google Bard and Microsoft Bing. Both use their language models to build search queries, then pass those queries to their existing search services, and then interpret and rewrite the responses from their search services. This is the best way to handle freshness of information.
When it comes to analyzing data, you can certainly input CSV or tabular data in text prompts, but it’s much easier to simply upload spreadsheets and have the AI systems do the analysis on that. The same is true for Excel files and other data formats. Today, the best tool for data analysis with AI is OpenAI’s ChatGPT+ with Advanced Data Analysis. It walks you through its analysis and produces operating code at every step; this allows you to store the code generates in case you want to run it again later. It’s also capable of the most advanced forms of data science and statistics; anything you can code in Python for data analysis, it can write for you.
There’s some data, as I mentioned earlier, which absolutely should never be put into third party systems. Data that contains personally identifying information, sensitive protected information, protected health information, classified documents, state secrets, trade secrets – the list goes on of information you shouldn’t just hand to someone else’s systems. For situations like this, you must use AI that runs on your network or your computers, and your data never leaves those systems. Open source models like LLaMa 2 and interfaces like LM Studio are the way to safely use AI with sensitive information. These take more effort to set up, but they are free of cost and ideal for handling information that should not be in the hands of third parties without restriction.
Finally, when it comes to coding, there are two choices. For writing most coding languages, ChatGPT+ using the GPT-4 model is arguably one of the best general tools. It can write in a multitude of languages old and new, from COBOL (really!) to modern languages like Swift and Python.
(pro tip for those working in financial services and other places with legacy mainframes – if your COBOL programmer has retired, ChatGPT can help.)
There are specific open-source models that can outperform GPT-4 for certain languages; the CodeLLaMa model does so, particularly with Python.
Now, let’s be clear: this is not all the use cases of generative AI. This isn’t even close. But this is a good starter kit for someone who’s just getting their feet wet, and a good generalist kit for accomplishing many tasks. These tools are the best starter kit on the market today, and I mean literally today; there’s absolutely no guarantee that a better tool in any of these major categories won’t be released tomorrow, making this thing obsolete. I’ll do my best to keep it maintained over time, though.
Finally, an utterly shameless plug – if you’d like help getting training or strategic consulting on the deployment of AI in your organization, go visit TrustInsights.ai/aiservices to see all the different ways we can help.
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Here’s what one participant said after a working session at one of the world’s biggest consulting firms:
“No kidding, this was the best hour of learning or knowledge-sharing I’ve had in my years at the Firm. Chris’ expertise and context-setting was super-thought provoking and perfectly delivered. I was side-slacking teammates throughout the session to share insights and ideas. Very energizing and highly practical! Thanks so much for putting it together!”
Pricing begins at US$7,500 and will vary significantly based on whether it’s in person or not, and how much time you need to get the most value from the experience.
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In today’s episode, I share my key lessons and strategies for b2b influencer marketing success. I walk through the Trust Insights 5P framework to help brands excel in this space. I explain how to define your purpose, choose the right people, nail down the process, select the best platform, and accurately measure performance. Tune in to get actionable advice on running an effective influencer program!
You Ask, I Answer: Keys to B2B Influencer Marketing Success?
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In today’s episode, Caitlin asks, looking back at your experiences and observations, can you share a key lesson or strategy that you believe has been instrumental in the success of b2b influencer marketing campaigns? What advice would you give to brands and marketers looking to excel in this space? Here’s an easy answer.
Figure out what you want to do.
A lot of people do not know what they want to do with influencer marketing.
They see it, they understand it at a surface level, like, Oh, let’s get a Kardashian, right? No.
Trust insights.
One of the things we recommend is a five part framework.
We call it the five P’s purpose, people process platform performance, purpose, what do you want to accomplish? What is the goal of your influencer marketing program? Are you doing awareness? Are you trying to influence consideration? Are you trying to push nudge forward evaluation? Are you trying to spur purchase? Based on the purpose alone, that’s going to change the strategy of your influencer marketing program and dictate even what kinds of influencers to use because different types of influencers influence different parts of the customer journey.
There are, for example, even retention influencers, people who are evangelists, people who love your product.
For example, in in Salesforce, they have the what the trailhead folks, there are folks that whose influence is all about how do you get more out of the investment you’ve already made.
That’s a retention mechanism that again, a lot of people don’t think of what they think of influencer marketing, they think, oh, let’s get a Kardashian, let’s get a big, big mouth.
Instead of how do we retain our customers? How do we use influencer marketing to to create more loyalty with our products and services.
So that purpose is really important.
The process how are you going to manage your influencer marketing again, really critical? How do you manage this thing? How does this is a morphous thing? How do you turn it into something that is usable, right? That’s repeatable, that is scalable.
There is the platform, there are a bunch of influencer marketing platforms out there, right? There are all these different communities, you have to decide how do you want to based on your strategy? How do you want to deploy things like community? Are you going to start a discord server? You may or may not want to depending on the the resources you have available.
Who are the people that are involved and not just the influencers, but the marketers themselves? How are you going to be able to manage this? Are you going to be able to run this program? How are you going to be able to to work with and collaborate with people all across your company? Because again, if we think about the customer journey from awareness all the way to evangelist, you have influencers all along that spectrum is your program tuned for that and you have the people necessary to manage at each stage of that customer journey.
And finally, of course, the performance, how do you know it worked? How do you know that influencer marketing worked? And this again, is one of those areas where companies really struggle, they really struggle to measure the impact of influencer marketing, there are statistical ways to do this.
There are ways that are well proven that take algorithms and methods from things like biostatistics.
Generally speaking, though, people who have experienced biostatistics don’t end up working in marketing.
Generally speaking, that’s, you know, obviously, if you work in like life sciences, you know, those algorithms exist, and you may just may not have thought about porting them to marketing.
But measuring the impact of influencer marketing is all about using those statistical skills to figure out what kind of uplift you’ve gotten in these areas because influencer marketing inherently most of the time is outside the clickstream, right, which means there’s not gonna be a report you can run in Google Analytics will say here’s what your influencers did.
Again, how do you measure when an influencer is on stage at conferences? Hey, you should buy this software.
This is what I use, right? There’s no click trail.
There’s no referrals, you might see a spike in organic search.
But how do you know that that’s from what happened? You need good tools and good methods for doing that statistical analysis.
So that’s my recommendations and observations.
The five P framework is something that you have to apply to influencer marketing, just like anything.
And there’s a lot of drill down into each of those steps to get good answers, and to be able to explain to your stakeholders, here’s what we’re doing.
Here’s why we’re doing and here’s how we’re going to know it’s exceeded.
So good question.
Big answer.
And it’s going to require a lot of work to get there.
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In today’s episode, I explain how AI will enable synthetic influencers and better influence identification. Large language models can ingest vast information to surface relevant influencers. Brands should partner with AI firms to build custom models filtering by niche and demographics. Tune in to hear my predictions on AI’s transformative role in influencer marketing.
You Ask, I Answer: Role of AI in B2B Influencer Marketing?
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In today’s episode, Caitlin asks in the realm of B2B influencer marketing, how do you envision artificial intelligence playing a significant role in the coming years? What specific applications or advancements you believe AI will bring to this field? Okay, so there’s a bunch of different ways.
Here’s the thing, artificial intelligence, particularly generative artificial intelligence is all about language, language and images, which are the two areas where as at the time of this recording, the most capabilities exist, large language models like the ones that power tools like chat GPT, for example, can generate language.
So there’s a couple different ways to think about this.
What does an influencer do that involves language? Pretty much everything, right? So you will see the advent of the synthetic influencers, a synthetic influencer, this is very popular in B2C, and it will probably become popular in B2B, where you have a personality that isn’t real, there’s no human being behind it.
There’s a team of humans that maintain the infrastructure, but that personality does not exist, there is no person there.
And those synthetic influencers have thus far been very popular.
And they’re especially appealing to brands because, well, your influence is never going to show up drunk, you know, or have compromising photos put up on Instagram or something like that, because they’re not real.
They they simply do as they’re told.
So that’s a big part of ways that you might see generative AI put to us, but the bigger and more obscure and arcane way to think about influence when it comes to AI is the language model itself.
Language models are trained on a gigantic amount of text, they are processing, among other things, things like common crawl, which is a huge repository of the public internet.
As a result, they see more and have more data in them than any other tool available to us.
And as long as they’re prompted correctly, you can extract out information from that massive meta index, or you can drill down and supplement these tools with specific data that you may have internally.
So for example, let’s say you do a survey of all your customers.
And you say, who is most influential in our space, maybe this industrial concrete space and you go when you read a bunch of blogs, and you get a bunch of papers, you have a bunch of news articles, you cram those into what is known as a vector database, which is a special kind of database that large language models like chat GPT can talk to that they speak the same language specific kinds of numbers, they turn content into numbers, and then they do a bunch of math on those numbers.
When you do that, if you do that, if you build that tool, and I would expect the leading influencer marketing software companies out there tools like Analytica, for example, to build that system, you will be able to ask large language models who is influential in a space and get an answer is coherent, that is relevant to that specific space, but also has the broad knowledge of the internet of everything that’s been published on the internet and public spaces.
Again, these models take in the public web, they take in books, they take in all the academic papers on sites like archive.org.
And as a result, what you end up with is a pretty good knowledge base of what people what people are out there, what is influential out there books, podcasts, etc.
That you may not be able to get from traditional influencer marketing tools or even influencer marketing agencies, because let’s face it, no one human being can keep that much data in their head, but a language model can.
So what companies should be thinking about what they should be looking at is working with the leading edge, the cutting edge, language model folks and firms things to build influence models that can do this kind of work that can extract data from language models, which are really just statistical models of the public internet, among other things, and come up with influencer conclusions that way, because language models inherently can take and filter much more precisely, and much more granularly than traditional influencer marketing tools, you could say, for example, show me the influencers in b2b, industrial concrete, but I specifically want to focus on influencers who are BIPOC, black indigenous people of color, who in my space is is that you can ask those questions of a language model and get information, you would then have to go corroborate the information, you want to make sure it’s not a hallucination, you want to make sure it’s not the language was not making things up.
But you can ask those questions in ways that traditional influencer marketing software doesn’t even know is a question.
So that’s what I expect AI to provide to the influencer marketing space and in the coming months, not years, months, because every release of these models that comes out, the models get smarter and smarter.
At every release of the technology, particularly the open source side of AI gives more capabilities for all of us, if you’re technically savvy, to be able to construct custom influencer marketing tools that fit the specific needs that you and I have.
So that’s the answer to that question.
It’s a really good question.
And it’s very difficult to predict the future.
I mean, we can’t even predict four weeks out much less years, but where the tools are today, we can gather this information we can we can use what we know for today.
And with the types of applications we can build on what exists in market today, if something new comes out tomorrow, we can adapt to it.
But conceptually, from a strategic infrastructure perspective, this is where influence marketing could go.
If the leaders in the space are willing to invest and embrace these generative AI technologies.
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In today’s episode, I explain how the demise of Twitter has created major challenges for measuring influence. With key conversations happening across new, disparate platforms lacking data access, brands must get creative. I advise asking your audience who influences them and embracing community-level influence in addition to individual influencers. Tune in to hear my predictions on the evolution of influencer marketing measurement and trends.
You Ask, I Answer: Predictions for B2B Influencer Marketing in 2024?
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In today’s episode, Caitlin asks, What are your predictions for influencer marketing in the b2b space in 2024 and beyond? How do you foresee the industry evolving and what trends do expect to emerge? Okay, so here’s the biggest thing about influencer marketing that is going to be a challenge for pretty much the entire industry data.
A lot of influencer marketing tools have been calibrated on Twitter data.
Twitter was the most popular data source because it was an open network graph that everyone could look at that was predominantly accessible to by API.
And with the recent changes, we actually let’s let’s call a spade a spade.
Twitter is gone.
We’ve got this new company called x that has a very different population than Twitter did back in in the old days.
And a lot of the discussions, particularly for b2b marketing are happening in places where we don’t have data.
So you have the Twitter diaspora after Twitter’s demise, you now have people on x you have people on threads on mastodon on blue sky, etc, etc.
You have a ton of new communities, b2b communities, tech communities, on places like discord where there’s absolutely no monitoring whatsoever, nor is it even allowed.
You have a lot of conversations and a lot of the social media influence, if you will, on LinkedIn, which is a huge b2b source.
And again, very little data, there’s, there’s not a lot that you can get out of LinkedIn, at least not to the breadth and the depth that we get from we used to get from Twitter.
So one of the big things that major players in the space are going to need to figure out is how do you calculate influence? And there isn’t a clear answer.
There are obviously publications, things like news articles, for example, that you can you can see if someone’s in, say, martech.org, or martech post or any of the those publications, you can certainly gauge Okay, well, this person must have some influence to have you made a contributor.
You have things like speaking at events, people who are on stage inherently have more influence than people who are not on stage.
At least from a visibility perspective.
And if you think about it, a lot of the categories of influence that are out there, you have people who are sort of network hubs, they’re the center of their networks.
You have people who are subject matter experts, you have people who are broadcasters, big mouths, right? All of those different categories, again, we’re reliant on over reliant on Twitter data.
So the big question becomes, what do we do instead? How does a company judge influence? The single best way to judge influence right now, and this is going to vary from company to company, is to ask your audience is to go to your audience and say, Hey, who else do you read? Who else do you pay attention to? Send out email surveys, ask on social media, etc.
And gather that data, because ultimately, the point of b2b influence is to influence buying decisions is to influence awareness, consideration, and eventually conversion.
So we need to ask our ideal buyers and our current buyers.
Who do you pay attention to at each of these stages in your journey, so that we know where to spend our time and money.
And it may turn out, for example, that influence is not a person anymore.
This is a relatively infrequent perspective that a lot of people don’t have.
Influence isn’t just a person, right? It’s only Hey, pay attention to Christopher Penn, right? It is now also at the community level.
Hey, I’m a member of the analytics for marketers slack community, which is 3500 people.
I’m a member of the marketing AI Institute slack community of the spin sucks PR community.
And these communities have influence in of themselves.
When someone’s in for example, analytics for marketers, they ask, Hey, I’m looking to buy this thing.
Has anyone had any experience with it? No one person that community may be the influencer.
But instead, you may have a network of hundreds of people contributing their answers.
And if one answer keeps popping up over and over and over again, that community has conducted the influence.
Now, here’s the challenge.
Many of these private social media communities have absolutely no measurement.
And outsiders are not permitted to measure them, I’m permitted to see the content.
So this remains a challenge for B2B brands, that you need to have essentially ambassadors in as many communities as you can manage.
So just not even to participate, just to listen, just to pay attention, just to see where people spend their time and what they talk about.
So those are the major trends in B2B influencer marketing.
And I think it’s really important when you’re when you’re looking at engaging influencer marketing firms, influencers themselves and things like that, you’d be looking at the person, the community, and what data you have to back those decisions.
And it’s going to be really challenging for the industry to manage all three of those any of those three without a substantial amount of manual effort.
So good question.
Thanks for asking.
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