Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

Category: Podcasting

  • You Ask, I Answer: Best Audio Leveling Solution for Podcasting?

    You Ask, I Answer: Best Audio Leveling Solution for Podcasting?

    Mitch asks, “With the return of the Levelator, what’s the best audio leveling solution for podcasting?”

    For those unfamiliar, the Levelator is a piece of software that promises one-click cleanup of audio to ready it for podcasting. Other solutions, such as Auphonic, do similar tasks – but the Levelator is free. And for those who have it, tools like Adobe Audition can bring extra polish but are decidedly not one-click. Let’s see how each tool sounds. Which wins the battle? Find out!

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    In today’s episode, Mitch asks, with the return of the Levelator.

    What is the best audio leveling solution for podcasting? Well, for those who are unfamiliar, but Levelator is a piece of software that promises sort of one click cleanup of audio to Reddit for podcasting.

    There are other solutions.

    Levelator stopped working for a while because of various operating system updates and the fact that the software vendor basically has moved on to other things.

    But there are still folks who are committed to maintaining it, and they do.

    And so, other tools like Auphonic, for example, do similar tasks, but the Levelator is free.

    And obviously, for those who own it tools, like Adobe Audition can bring a lot of extra Polish but not really the one click solution.

    So what we wanted to look at today is how do these things sound.

    So let’s go ahead and flip things over here.

    And we’re going to put these audio tracks in.

    So let’s start with this first.

    Here.

    Let’s go ahead and play this.

    The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs.

    The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs.

    The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs.

    The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs.

    So that was this microphone is the first on the V moda boom headset is the second one, the apple AirPods Pro is the third one and then just the onboard laptop sound I wanted to do that because I wanted to have it for different types of audio sources to see how each one sounds.

    Now with the tool I’m using for video Camtasia it does have a built in leveler.

    So let’s look at that one first.

    You can see there’s already a bit of a difference the these the spectrogram here is a little more dense, a little more colorful.

    Let’s go ahead and listen to this.

    This is Camtasia quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs.

    The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs.

    The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs, The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs.

    Okay, so that was Camtasia good, right? Not great yet, but okay, not too bad.

    Let’s now listen to Auphonic which is one of the more popular tools out there.

    Hang on for a second here.

    There we go.

    The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs.

    The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs.

    The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs.

    The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs.

    You can see in the spectrogram that the the colors there are brighter and more intense.

    If I click back to the original you can see there’s definitely a big difference right? It’s a much bigger difference than you see with Camtasia Auphonic brings a lot more vocal ohms and it’s at the right volume level.

    For podcasts which is a target loudness of minus 16 Fs, which you can see down here in the corner.

    Now let’s go ahead and look at the Levelator.

    And here we go.

    The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs, The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs, The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs, they’re quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs.

    Again, very similar sound to Auphonic.

    Right? It’s there is a, a qualitative difference between this one here you can see there’s less of the purple fringing here in Auphonic.

    There’s a bit more of that, in in with Levelator pulled together.

    So the Auphonic seems to have a little bit better noise reduction.

    But when you look at the the sort of the colorful sections here, there the Levelator is seems to be doing a better job of enriching some of the tones now Should you use? Well, if you can run the Levelator on your machine, if you have a Mac, and you’ve gotten it out of the App Store, and I believe it’s still available for Windows, and you’ve got a single audio file that you’re trying to, to work with, it’s kind of hard to argue with this.

    And it’s free.

    It’s not as good at things like the the noise reduction, as Auphonic.

    But it also is free, right? And it’s still better than say Camtasia is built in level which is not great.

    Or and it’s all of it is better than what you get when you just have the raw audio file by itself.

    So, conclusions if you are if you’ve already bought Auphonic keep using it, right? Why wouldn’t you keep using the thing that you paid for? If you had have not bought it? Look at the Levelator it again, it’s free and it does a really good job.

    The other levels and tools that are available, like if you wanted to do something in audition, you could there’s certainly ways to do all that what these tools do as as set of new tricks if you want a very distinctive sound, but honestly, for a lot of people, that’s a heck of a lot of work and adds a lot of production time.

    Whereas dragging and dropping a file onto another app, really definitely is the way to go.

    So, in conclusion, should you use one of these tools or others? It depends on what you’ve got and what you’ve already bought.

    I would say that in terms of what they output Auphonic the Levelator put out very close quality, and their quality is both better than not doing it at all.

    So pick whichever one works for you, and and do that.

    So a good question, Mitch.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Advertising Your Podcast?

    You Ask, I Answer: Advertising Your Podcast?

    Lindsay asks, “Have you ever done any spends to increase podcast reach? Is there anything like a Facebook boost for podcasts?”

    For Marketing Over Coffee, we spend a hundred bucks or so a month on the show name and category. If your podcast has a decent website, treat it like any other web property. You can run search ads, YouTube ads, remarketing ads, the works.

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    In today’s episode, Lindsay asks, have you ever done any spends to increase podcast reaches or anything? Facebook boost for podcasts? So Good question.

    There isn’t a thing that will boost an individual podcast episode in a podcast directory in the same way that you would boost a Facebook post.

    But as long as your website for your podcast is, you know halfway decent and then there’s obvious page to get people to subscribe to it.

    Then you can treat it again just like any other web page on your website.

    So that means you can run Facebook ads, retargeting ads, Google ads, YouTube ads, the works.

    The challenge is to make sure that you’re running campaigns that are appropriate to what a podcast is a podcast is a subscription, right? It is a it’s it’s similar functionally to an email list.

    So Whatever advertising tactics you would use to get people to subscribe to your newsletter you would do to get them to subscribe to your podcast.

    So that means spending some time doing the market research treat it like treat it like search ads.

    What category does your podcasts fit in your coffee podcast? You know how much search volume is there for coffee podcast? What are all the term and variations? If you do the work to optimize your podcast website for for SEO for search engines First, you will get a lot of the background data you need in order to make effective ads for your podcast because you’ll know the category you’ll know the related terms you may potentially consider changing or adapting the name of your podcast, right.

    Very early on with marketing over coffee, which you can find at marketing over coffee calm john and i were looking at the name of the show.

    And, you know, something super simple.

    We changed the name to marketing, the marketing over coffee Marketing Podcast.

    It’s a little clunky, a lot clunky.

    But it is one of the things that allowed us are very early on to be found for people searching for a marketing podcast.

    Little things like that help inform the ads and make them much more effective because especially with Google ads, there is that whole quality score score algorithm in the background.

    So there is the ad, copy the keyword and then the landing page.

    And if they’re not in sync from a context and content perspective, your ads will cost more and they’ll perform less well.

    One of the other things to make sure that you do is you do engage in retargeting and reminding people because even if somebody subscribes to your podcast, that doesn’t necessarily mean they’ve listened to it.

    Right.

    So if you go over to the Trust Insights website, go to TrustInsights.ai.

    AI, you find the podcast on there and the podcast landing page has like the last, I don’t know 10 or 15 episodes on it even if you subscribed on your your smartphone, for example, people drift off right, they forget they stopped listening, listening.

    And it is not a bad thing at all to run ads to existing subscribers, reminding them to check out the latest show.

    And ideally, ideally, it doesn’t cost you a ton of money because the ad gets served up.

    But then if they’re already subscribed, they pull out their mobile device, which is the way the vast majority of podcasts are listened to these days.

    And they just open up their podcast app and they start listening again.

    Well, that doesn’t show up as a click in your ad, right.

    So you don’t you don’t if you’re paying on a cost per click basis.

    You’re getting the brand awareness of the reminder for people but you’re not necessarily getting Incorporated.

    cost because they don’t have to click, they can remember I subscribe to that show as you go listen to that show, I should go listen to In-Ear Insights or marketing over coffee.

    So there’s awareness, ads.

    This the subscription ads are the sort of the two big ad plays you’re gonna want to do for your podcast.

    You will want branded search ads for sure.

    Advertising your podcast name again.

    If you think about the way people use Google, and you think about the layout of the homepage, in Google results in particular, there used to be a lot more organic search slots, but now with one box and featured snippets and all this stuff, the amount of real estate that’s there that any one thing can have is less.

    So having your branded search listing, and your unbranded search listing be on the same page, at least give you a two to bats.

    To at bats, right? That’s not necessarily true if you’re just relying on organic alone so having that that branded podcast advertising be running all the time.

    You don’t have to spend a ton I don’t think marketing over coffee spends more than like 100 bucks a month on it.

    And that’s funded obviously through sponsorships.

    So is there a Facebook boost for podcasts on an individual episode basis now? Should you be retargeting people to get them to listen again or to subscribe for the first time? Absolutely.

    The other thing I will say that and this is an additional channel it’s worth paying attention to.

    If your podcast does not have a newsletter, you’re missing a huge opportunity.

    send out a newsletter every week, every month, whatever the case may be, that features your most recent episode.

    And get people to subscribe to it.

    Right get people to subscribe to the newsletter because It gives you an additional outreach channel and is one that doesn’t cost you as much money as ads.

    And it’s a little more reliable.

    Even if you just, you know, say here’s the last five episodes of the show and the short, you know, transcripts, or abstracts or, or briefs of what each episode is about, that helps retain your audience so much better, and keep them listening.

    If you’re in the business of selling sponsorships to your show, podcast downloads is one thing.

    But downloads, plus being able to show web traffic plus being able to show email subscriptions means you have a package deal that you can offer to an advertiser to a sponsor, and demonstrate that you can reach a lot of people in their target audience.

    By having all three you can really show some good results, even if it’s a corporate podcast, right? Even if you’re not an independent show, if you’re a corporate show If you’re doing it on behalf of your brand, your brand is still the sponsor.

    And you still want to be able to demonstrate all three results to to your stakeholders or whoever is is allowing you to do the podcast.

    Here’s the website traffic the podcast is driven.

    Here’s the newsletter subscribers we have just for the podcast alone.

    Here is the number of downloads we receive.

    Having that information makes it easier for stakeholders to defend the super podcast as a marketing channel.

    So covered a lot in here.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: How to Change a Podcast’s Brand?

    You Ask, I Answer: How to Change a Podcast's Brand?

    Jason asks, “What are the precautionary steps if I need to change the title, description, artwork and such for a podcast so I can avoid losing momentum and not break anything with the new version of the show? What are the implications for being discovered in the podcast searches?”

    Treat this like any move. Avoid changing the root domain if possible. Tell your audience and your customers what’s going to happen with plenty of advanced notice, and consider some transitional artwork and messaging. From a technical perspective, as long as the URL doesn’t change, you won’t break anything infrastructure-wise.

    Be sure to update the description and feed details – again, think transitional. Have stuff like “The show formerly known as” so that people aren’t surprised – and by having the old show name in your description and maybe even title, you’ll still catch those folks who are searching by the show’s old name.

    More than anything, do some basic SEO work and see where your existing show is getting links from, so that you can reach out to those places and get them to update the title and description.

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    In today’s episode, Jason asks, What are the precautionary steps? If I need to change the title, description, artwork and such for a podcast so I can avoid losing momentum and not break anything with a new version of the show? What are the implications for being discovered in podcast searches? So this is a good question.

    podcast searches, particularly on services like Spotify, apple, podcasts, Google podcasts, etc, are very rudimentary.

    They function like SEO did like 15 years ago, where it really is all just very primitive keywords and things.

    There’s none of the AI that you would expect from like a Google search that would detect intent and things.

    So specific terms specific names, brands matter a lot.

    So treat this move that you’re talking about like any other move, right? Treat it like a website.

    Try not to change the domain name.

    Try not to change URLs, if possible, because that adds a level of technical complexity that you do not want.

    Updating RSS feeds and things like that.

    If you can avoid changing the URL, then what you need to do is create a plan for transition period, maybe a month, maybe she wants it depends on the cadence of how fast you release your show.

    If your show is a daily show, you could probably make the move fully in about two weeks.

    Depending on I guess, the easiest way to look is is to look at how fast old shows stop getting downloads, you know, other than like the ones you twosie here and there.

    If your listenership tunes into a show and listens within 24 hours of of it dropping, then, you know, give yourself a few weeks to move.

    If on the other hand, a show doesn’t really taper off until like a month then you might need to Give yourself a couple of months of transition time.

    In the transition time, what you want to do is tell people that things are changing, give people advance notice, you’ll want to craft some transitional artwork that incorporates the old shows look and the new shows look at the same time.

    So if there’s a picture of your just your face for the old show, and there’s a brand new logo for the new show, maybe in the transitional artwork, there’s a picture of your face and the logo together.

    Your messaging has to be the same as well, letting people know on the air, hey, this is going to be changing in however long.

    When you next open your podcast listener, you’re gonna see start to see some of the changes.

    It’s still the same show.

    It’s still the same person.

    It’s still it’s still me.

    But don’t be surprised if in on you know, set an arbitrary date on July one.

    The name has changed in your podcast listener, and please keep tuning it.

    For more a technical perspective, as long as the URL doesn’t change, you’re not going to break anything infrastructure wise.

    You do want to update the description and the feed details.

    And, again, we want to be transitional here.

    If the show is, you know, almost timely podcast with Christopher Penn, or in this case, let’s say if the Christopher Penn show becomes the most timely podcast.

    The transitional name should be almost daily podcast with Christopher Penn or almost timely podcasts, the show formerly known as the Christopher Penn show, right so that a people aren’t surprised.

    Be the, the name is people get set to get familiar with the name in their their pod catcher of choice.

    And see, you want to take advantage of those very primitive SEO metrics, right, those SEO tools that are in podcasting, you know, Pete very primitive keyword searches.

    If someone is searching for the Christopher Penn show.

    I want to have that For sure in the description of my podcast forever, right, maybe at the end of my description we’ll say formerly known as the Christopher Penn show.

    But in the title of the show and the episodes, I will probably want to have that transition period of the almost timely podcast.

    The artist formerly known as Christopher Penn, whatever is in the description so that people searching for it, catch it.

    Now for a little while, that’s going to be ugly.

    Got some really long titles, but you’ll be giving people the chance to make the transition to mentally make the transition it depending on how large your listener bases and again how frequently or infrequently record, you might even start with flipping the names around.

    So if your show is the Christopher Penn show, and the new shows the almost timely podcast, but Christopher Penn show soon to become the almost time we podcast and then do four or five episodes like that, and then flip it around the almost half hour podcasts formerly known as the Christopher Penn show, and then four or five episodes that and then at the end You have the almost half of the podcast but in the description of each episode, and in the master feed description, you’ll have the show formerly known as Christopher Penn show that way.

    You’re continuing to attract any searches for people who are looking for the old show while you’re capturing the new show.

    One other thing that’s really important with podcasts is there are tons of podcast directories and things like that, that have links to shows there are syndicators and aggregators, more so with podcasts and blogs than with like social media.

    By the way, make sure you update all your social properties, usual stuff for any any kind of brand change.

    You need to go into the SEO tool of your choice and look for all the inbound links to the old show, including individual episodes.

    And then if you have the time, go and hunt down those links and ask people To change the title, the description of those links, the the wording, the anchor text on those links.

    If you don’t have a ton of time, I would take that same data extract from the SEO tool of your choice, sorted in descending order by URL URL rank, or whatever your tools equivalent is, and at least take care of the top 10%.

    Right, so that you’re getting the most equity redirected, in terms of branding and name and anchor text changes possible to help boost the new show to help to get the new show up and running.

    The messaging for that could actually be very similar.

    So if somebody is linking to Episode 14 of the Christopher Penn show, I would reach out to them and say, Hey, I just want to let you know thanks so much for linking to me, I’m changing my show’s name.

    Would you consider changing the link text to Episode 14 of the almost highly podcast formerly known as the Christopher Penn show so that again, I’m capturing both of those things.

    I want to make sure that getting as much of the link redirects the anchor text changes as possible to boost helping people find the new name of the show.

    Finally, like all things in podcasting, make sure that you’re doing your outreach, your your rounds, your promos.

    It’s so funny people have forgotten how to do promos.

    It used to be nothing to do in podcasting back in, you know, oh 60708 and people just don’t do it anymore.

    And it’s a shame because it’s a good way to get in front of another audience easily as long as the audience’s is a peer of yours and non competitive.

    So give that some thought as well.

    There are tons and tons of podcasts and nobody remembers that should write about that.

    At some point.

    I just lost podcasting culture.

    So that’s it.

    It’s treated like a brand chain, treat like a brand move to all the things give people transition time.

    Try not to break the technical aspects and you should be fine.

    Keep the old name around.

    titles and descriptions especially so that you can attract searches for them and let the directories know where they are.

    If you have follow up questions, leave in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Recommended Camera and Audio Setup for Webinars?

    You Ask, I Answer: Recommended Setup for Webinars?

    Paul asks, “What’s your recommended audio, video, and lighting setup for webinars and events?”

    Great question. As David Tames once taught, great video begins with great audio. Get the mic near your mouth!

    Lighting will do more to improve video quality than almost any camera, as long as the camera isn’t absolute junk. Go for a three point lighting system – and it’s okay to use cheap lights.

    Camera angle matters a lot too. No one wants to look up your nose.

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    In today’s episode Paul asks, What’s your recommended audio video and lighting setup for webinars and events? This is a great question and it’s less about the gear and more about how you use the gear like cooking for example, a master chef can do amazing things with the stuff in anybody’s household whereas someone who’s incompetent can be put in a five star kitchen and still burn water.

    So let’s talk about a few things number one audio as David to mess over at Keno It teaches great video begins with great audio, you want to get the microphone near your mouth.

    Now, if you’re using a boom mic like this, which is a this particular mic because it’s a cardioid mic.

    It picks up the sound right here, no sound here.

    But you have to know the kind of microphone you’re using.

    There are some microphones where the element is not on the top That’s actually on the side.

    And so, read the manual to make sure where your microphones element is actually picking up your voice.

    Now with a microphone like this, you want to test you turn on a video recorder like this, and test to see how you sound because it will sound different in different places.

    Let’s bring up this diagram here.

    You see, there’s nine numbers I put on this diagram, the nine different places you could position this mic, what you want to do is turn on a video recorder like this and test it, position one, position two, this is probably you’ll never use this position three, position for position five, position six, position seven, position eight, position nine.

    And then you’ll go back and watch the video listen to the video and see how each position sounds get a sense of Okay, that’s where I want my mic.

    If you don’t have a windscreen on your mic, you want one because what you don’t want to hear is breathing.

    Most of you look back at this chart, position five and position eight Where this mic tends to work best but position five you will hear breathing even with a windscreen you’ll still hear it position eight down here by your chin with is still aiming at your mouth is the probably the best position for this mic.

    Regardless of the microphone type you own like you know you have this is an example of a boom mic you know positions two and five are probably the best positions for it.

    You want near your mouth and you want to aim at your mouth wherever the microphone element is aimed at at your mouth.

    So that’s audio.

    Again, you don’t need expensive gear you just need to use it well use it properly.

    To lighting will do more to improve video quality then pretty much any camera people like what camera should I get you know what’s the best camera.

    If the light sucks, it doesn’t matter.

    You can even there are systems or software that you can use your smartphone as a webcam for for recording video.

    These cameras work great in Good in good light.

    In crap light, they work terribly.

    It’s one limitations of this type of camera.

    If you have a webcam either built into your computer or into into you have a separate one, again, great lighting matters.

    Let’s look at three examples.

    This is just a single overhead light, you can see looks terrible, right? This is an overhead light and the the, the ring light that is in my particular cameras.

    So there’s two points of light you can see it’s better.

    It’s better, but it’s not great.

    Now I have a cheap yard sale lamp I got it like off the side of the street somewhere for like $1 with a naked bulb on and nothing fancy just a standard light ball overhead at a 45 degree angle from me.

    This is I mean this is what you’re seeing me with this video on now you can see there’s a world difference even between the two point setup and a three point setup.

    So you want that three point lighting setup.

    Simple overhead light to fill up the background, right, a light in front of you and then this strong The overhead light that creates very pleasing shadows.

    Now, where you put the camera matters to, there’s fundamentally three levels, you can pull it out, you can put it at above your head.

    This is what looks like when people are looking up the camera looking down on you.

    There’s at or near eye level, which is where I prefer to have the camera.

    And then there’s people who put the camera super low where you’re looking up somebody’s nose.

    This is not a good look.

    Most laptops, if you’re using the webcam on the laptop, the laptop is down, looking up your nose.

    The angles are wrong, you it’s unflattering for some people, and it just looks weird.

    It it creates this impression the person is looking down upon you, right? This is not something you want.

    If you look at how, for example, most news broadcasts where they’re trying to portray the person in a neutral friendly light, it’s at eye level, you’re looking at a person II and you want to create that same impression.

    So if you have a laptop and you’re using the laptop Top as far as a camera source, stick something under it stick some books, milk crate, whatever you got anything to get it to roughly about eye level.

    Eye or just slightly above eye level is where like to aim things when you’re doing instructional things, if you’re doing a straight live stream, it’s okay to have a camera be dead center with you, right? This is this is me dead center.

    If you’re doing instructional stuff like this where you want to have space, try and have the camera slightly offset so that you have space to display images, picture and picture stuff if you’re doing that kind of thing.

    I also tend to personally like to have the camera at an angle you can see this is a standard bookshelf so you get the vertical lines, okay? But the horizontal lines are at an angle, it gives you depth and perspective.

    If you shoot against a straight background like where you’re just straight against the wall, the background doesn’t really pop out because there’s no depth.

    It’s just a big flat space, even if there’s books and decorations on it still looks very flat.

    So having your camera at an angle to your background creates a sense of depth and a sense of space.

    Be aware if you care about these things of what’s in your background too if you look down here you got a milk crate with some wires that are sticking out right if I was doing a segment where I was going to be on like broadcast TV, I might want to clean up some of that stuff right? When you’re on camera wear stuff that is not busy, right? We’re planes.

    Limited patterns, no plaid.

    Right? Oh, Paisley.

    Things that the cameras depending on the quality of the camera may not be able to pick up well.

    But again, it’s less about the gear and more about how you use the gear.

    Inexpensive lights like we’re talking.

    Go on Craigslist seems throwing away a free lamp, right.

    Simple, simple stuff.

    Keep it simple.

    And instead focus on how you’re using it.

    What angles the camera.

    Where’s the microphone? Though how you lighting the room that’s going to give you the most mileage for the gear you’ve got to create better quality video.

    And obviously if you want to spend money and you’ve got the money to spend on high end gear, great, go for it, but take care of the surroundings and take care of the environment.

    First, it’s going to give you a much better bang for the buck.

    So good questions on this fun and challenging topic.

    Live Video any kind of video is is tough for a lot of people because they’re very concerned about how they portray themselves.

    totally get it.

    But use these tips to make the most of what you’ve got.

    Make the most of what you got.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Sources of Music for Podcasts?

    You Ask, I Answer: Sources of Music for Podcasts?

    Jenna asks, “Where are some good sources of music for your podcast?”

    Let’s talk licensing for a bit. Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.

    First, there are two sets of rights you have to know. Performance rights give you the right to use the music itself, to use its copyright. Mechanical rights give you the right to use a recording of the music made by a performer. If you’ve ever heard a musician cover another musician, the original musician has the performance rights, and the cover musician has the mechanical rights. It’s like baking a cake. Someone else has the recipe rights, and you as the baker have the mechanical rights.

    To play music on your podcast, you must have a license for both sets of rights (unless you own both).

    There are three kinds of music – podsafe, meaning it is licensed for podcasters to use, public domain, and everything else.

    Podsafe music is music where you typically get a license by asking the musician directly. You get both sets of rights authorized by the performer. You must get this in written permission for safety.

    Public domain music is exactly that – and you have to make sure you have both the performance rights and mechanical rights. Using a recording of someone else performing a public domain work does not grant you the mechanical rights. A public domain MIDI file that you render yourself is the best bet there, but you need to have either secured permission to use the copyright of the MIDI file creator, or the file creator has released the rights by declaring it in the public domain (which many do).

    Everything else requires licensing from performing rights organizations such as ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC, as well as mechanical rights organizations like Harry Fox Agency. If you purchase these licenses, you can then play any music you want on your podcast, as long as you adhere to the terms of service and report it. Bonus: they then compensate artists for you playing the artists’ music, so if your organization can afford it, get licensed.

    I particularly like music generated by AI, because both sets of rights are yours if you’re the one generating it.

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    In today’s episode Jen asks where some good sources of music for your podcast.

    Oh boy.

    Alright, first, I am not a lawyer.

    Let’s get that away.

    I am not a lawyer.

    If you need legal advice, please seek a qualified attorney.

    Now let’s talk about licensing.

    There’s three kinds of music when it comes to podcast.

    Number one is public domain music.

    This is music for which there is no copyright.

    And you are free to use that music as long as it is in the public domain.

    We’re going to come back to that in a second.

    The second type is what’s called pod safe music and this is music that you directly contact the musician the artist for and obtain written permission from them to use their music in your podcast.

    And you need to document that in case they ever do.

    For example, hit big and Don’t start issuing requests to people to stop playing the music and you have to adhere to their wishes, right.

    And then there’s the third category of music, which is everything else.

    There are two types of rights that you have to acquire for music.

    One is what’s called the performance rights, which is the right to play the music.

    And the second are called mechanical rights, which is the rights to play the recording of the music and this is why public domain music can still be tricky sometimes because in the performance rights cover, essentially the the copyright of the music itself, and then the mechanical rights covered the playing of the music.

    When you go into a buildings lobby and you hear you know, music playing, that that building has to pay licenses if it’s you know, Taylor Swift’s new song have to pay for licenses to play that music for both the performance of the mechanical rights.

    When you do public domain music, the performance rights are covered by Being in public domain, it’s no longer copyrighted and therefore you don’t have to pay for the performance rights.

    But if you’re playing say the Baltimore symphony orchestras, rendition of that, you may still need to pay for mechanical rights will depend.

    So that’s the catch there.

    And then third kind of courses, everything else and for those other songs, anything else that you’d see like on youtube music or Apple Music, whatever, you have to have a performance rights license, typically, you’ll have to get one from each of the performance rights organizations, ASCAP, BMI, and sesac.

    So you need three licenses on them, and they run anywhere from 200 to 600 a year.

    And then the mechanical rights from Harry Fox agency.

    All in, you will probably pay about1,000 a year for those licenses and you have to report your usage of songs for each of those.

    I think quarterly.

    It was quarter the last time we did it.

    My company way back in the early 2000s.

    When I was running up daily podcast, we had to do reporting for those things.

    And so you have to, you have to send that in that money, and then it’s an annual license, you have to renew it.

    If you play music that is covered by a performance rights organization or mechanical rights organization, you play it without permission on a podcast, you can be sued, and the fees are not inexpensive.

    Another organization I was working at they they had a little mix up, and they got a $60,000 bill for the playing of 30 seconds of one song.

    Right.

    So it’s a pretty big deal.

    So where do you get your music from? Go to the artists directly, if possible.

    And the other place that I’ve been using a ton because it is the right are cleared is artificial intelligence generated music.

    So artificial intelligence is generating music.

    Now, is it gonna win any Grammys? No.

    If you have a music podcast where you’re trying to get people to find new music, is it appropriate? No.

    But if you just need some background music for like transitions or in videos like this, then it’s good enough.

    It’s good enough and again, check with the vendor that you’re working with.

    But many vendors will, if you pay the appropriate level of licensing actually give you the license and then that music is copyrighted to you to your organization, and no one else can use it.

    The one vendor I’ve used a lot that has really good output is a company called Eva, ai VA.

    And it’s not bad guys, you go to a va.ai it’s the it’s not bad.

    It’s not great, right.

    It’s not gonna win any Grammys, but it is in many cases good enough.

    There are no exceptions to the law.

    A lot of people have said, Well, what about fair fair use? Well, the problem with fair use is that you don’t know whether you’re going to win in court or not.

    And going to court is very, very, very expensive.

    Your lawyers going to charge you 300 500 800 bucks an hour, just for you to not have to owe a whole bunch of money.

    And if you do get caught, and it’s really easy to get caught these days, you will run into issues, right.

    Even when you load stuff up to like YouTube, whatever.

    YouTube’s AI based algorithms in the back end are all checking to make sure that you’re not using any copyrighted sound.

    And you’d be amazed at how good it is at detecting misuse of copyrights, you do not want to be in a position so to recap, pod safe music is your best bet because you will have in writing from the musician themselves.

    Both the performance rights and the mechanical rights covered Yes, you may use my song that I played that I gave you this mp3 or WAV file for artificial intelligence generated music is also good.

    If you if this if you don’t care about you know the quality beyond being good enough.

    Public Domain music public domain music can be tricky if you don’t secure both of the sets of rights, and then everything else if you want to and if you’re a company, you should go secure the rights.

    You can then play if you have your licenses from ASCAP, BMI susac, and Harry Fox, you can then play any song you want on your podcast.

    You can play the latest, you know Taylor Swift song, and then when you report it to those agencies, what is beneficial is that they then take a percentage of the proceeds and give it to that artist to say, you know, you got this many, this many plays on this podcast.

    And you know, they get like a 10th of a penny per play or whatever.

    But that benefits the music So if you are using music by musicians, even if it’s pod safe, check to make sure that the musician is with is properly licensed.

    And if they are, do them a favor, get yourself the licenses and then report in to say like, Hey, you know what, I want to make sure that you’re supported for your work that we that you’re getting compensated for your work.

    If you have all those licenses, you can play whatever you want.

    If you want to use songs from the latest movie by the rock, you can because you’ll be licensed for it appropriately.

    Do it right.

    And you will not have to deal with lawyers.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Podcast Landing Page Best Practices?

    You Ask, I Answer: Podcast Landing Page Best Practices?

    Lindsay asks, “What are your suggestions/best practices for a podcast landing page?”

    Podcast landing pages need to do three things. First, explain why someone should give you any of their time, even a minute. What’s in it for them? Second, it should present an option for listening that the listener can use. Third, you should have analytics tracking clicks to your podcasting services.

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    In today’s episode, Lindsay asks, What are your suggestions or best practices for a podcast landing page? podcast, podcast landing pages are really simple and really straightforward.

    They require a lot less maintenance and thought than, say, a regular landing page where you have to figure out is somebody going to, you know, not fill out all the form or scroll far enough to read all the exciting copy.

    podcasts landing pages are much simpler.

    So, you need two things.

    Well, three things really.

    First, and by far the most important.

    Your podcast landing page has to explain in clear, short, unambiguous text, why someone should give you the time of day.

    We are in a world where there are still 24 hours a day but Everybody’s got one of these things, has literally millions of choices.

    There’s millions of podcasts out there.

    There are millions of YouTube channels, there are millions of apps in the app store.

    You are competing for time with every single thing on here, right? Which means that you have to explain to somebody Why in the world, they listened to your podcast for even a minute, compared to all the other options they have available to them.

    So why the number one mistake I see for podcasts landing pages is that the podcasters spend a whole lot of time talking about them, hey, here’s who I am.

    Here’s what I do.

    And here’s how awesome I am.

    And here’s how many awards I’ve won and how many people listen to my show.

    Nobody cares.

    Nobody cares.

    One bit they, your audience wants to know, what are you going to do for them? so short, upfront, here’s why you listen to the show.

    Show, example the In-Ear Insights podcast that I do with Katy robear.

    Less than 30 minutes, you’ll get a deep dive on some type particular type of marketing and analytics related thing or marketing and strategy.

    If you want to hear a balanced perspective of human and technology, you listen to that show.

    Marketing over coffee, the show I do with John Wall in 25 minutes or less.

    catch up on the latest marketing news by two grumpy old guys who just grabbed at the world at the silliness that some marketers do.

    Those are make very clear what you’re going to get.

    So make sure that’s the case for your podcast.

    Think of this, your podcast is functionally a product right? So the same effort you would put into Product Marketing, the four P’s right product price, price, place promotion.

    There’s no price obviously, for the most part.

    So what is it that is unique and worthwhile listening to your show that somebody can get from your show? They’re not going to get anywhere else.

    Okay, so that’s number one.

    Number two, present listening options.

    One of the things that I have seen done most wrong and I’ve done it myself, I’ve done it myself is not to put all the major options for listing on a page.

    So in fact, let’s bring up the In-Ear Insights one here.

    You can see we’ve got a bunch of different options here.

    And they’re really really blatantly clear, right? There’s no doubt giant text here.

    What it is that somebody can do, where you can find the show, Google podcasts, Apple podcast, Stitcher, Spotify, YouTube.

    Don’t forget about YouTube.

    YouTube is a huge listening platform as well as video platform.

    A lot of people forget that YouTube exists and can be a good distribution channel for yourself.

    Comcast, because people listen to things.

    And if you are super clever, you will get your podcast transcribed and closed captions so that you can put that text into YouTube and then YouTube search engine will do a better job of helping people find your show.

    These listening options should encompass every major podcasting channel based on where you’re the services that you use for your podcasting service distribute to so I use libsyn, for example.

    And they can distribute to all these different platforms pretty easily or their RSS feed.

    You are only limited by what channels you choose to publish your podcast on.

    So that’s number two, number three on the landing page, and I think this is an optional one, but I think it’s still important.

    You’ll notice that on the landing page, all these links go to someplace you don’t control.

    Not a single one is on your site.

    So you have no analytics on this.

    What you can do Do with Google Tag Manager and Google Analytics is set up a goal to track outbound clicks from these links, and record them as essentially podcast clicks to say, Okay, I did enough to convince somebody to go to this page and click on one of these things.

    And in doing so, they may or may not have subscribed, they probably will subscribe because the mechanisms are all pretty straightforward, right? And I can count that as a goal completion now.

    Is that a valuable goal? Is it as good as someone subscribing to a newsletter or filling out a form to download a white paper or webinar? Probably not.

    But at least you want to know the activity you want to know is anybody clicking on these things? if nobody’s clicking on our podcast links, sad sauce, right? We’ve we’ve not done a good job.

    So those would be the three major best practices that I would focus on with your podcast landing page make it obvious as to why somebody cares about you.

    Make it easy for them to subscribe, and then track your messaging.

    Bonus.

    If you set up a podcast listening goal in Google Analytics, and you use Tag Manager to track it, you can then use software like Google Optimize to do a B testing on the landing page to see if you can do something to increase the click through rates on it and changing copy changing images, things like that.

    Remember that a podcast is a product.

    It is a product and it will do as well as any product would with the appropriate amount of product marketing effort.

    Which means that if you just kind of slap something up, which again, I’m guilty of it, I’ve done it, I’ve done it more than I care to count.

    You will get results commensurate with your lack of effort if you invest the time.

    If you focus on making things easy, if you focus on the customer, your podcast landing page will do better.

    A will function better for you.

    The other thing thing with, it’s not about the landing page itself.

    But make sure that in all of your other communications, you are cross promoting your podcast.

    If you’re going to put the time and effort into it, make sure that there’s a link in your newsletter.

    Right make sure there’s links in the navigation on the rest of your website, make sure that you are mentioning it in the episode itself, especially if you put it on like YouTube where there is no feed, put the you know, link to the subscription page in your YouTube comments and the description on your video and mention it in the show that hey, I’ve got a podcast please listen to it.

    Right.

    I always say at the end of these videos, please subscribe to the YouTube channel in the newsletter.

    Because I want you to go find those things if you’re listening to this.

    So this you may want to have a custom domain redirected domain for your podcasts, easy to remember.

    That’s probably the the simplest way for people to hear so if you’re doing a promo for another podcast, You could say to somebody go to marketing over coffee.com if that was not your URL and redirect that, so, your podcast here.com whatever the case may be, give those things a try.

    If you have follow up questions, please leave in the comments box below.

    Subscribe to the YouTube channel on the newsletter, I’ll talk to you soon.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Leveling Software for Podcasting?

    You Ask, I Answer: Leveling Software for Podcasting?

    Mitch asks, “What’s the best leveling software for podcasting? What are the recommended techniques and settings?”

    Way back in the day, everyone and their cousin used something called the Levelator. That has since been discontinued; in its place, I use the desktop edition of Auphonic, the multitrack edition. Watch the video for details and a walkthrough.

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    in today’s episode, Mitch asks, What’s the best leveling software for podcast? And what are the recommended techniques and settings? So leveling? For those who aren’t familiar is the process of taking an audio file and making the volume consistent.

    When you’re doing a podcast when you’re doing any kind of video, or audio, you want the experience to be evenly normalized so that it’s not loud in some parts and quiet in other parts.

    you’ve likely had this experience if you’ve watched regular television, where you’re watching a show and then suddenly a commercial comes on.

    It gets way louder like whoa, that’s that was a little intense.

    Leveling fixes that leveling.

    Also, depending on on how you use the software can help make audio easier to hear, particularly for things like noisy environments like a commute, a gym, etc.

    Not much of a problem.

    home because people can just turn the volume.

    But if you’re trying to listen and deal with background noise of any kind, leveling helps fix that.

    Way back in the day, in the early days of podcasting, this was a great piece of software from the conversations that were called the level later.

    That has since been discontinued.

    It’s been discontinued for a couple years.

    So the question a lot of folks have is, what’s the replacement? The software that I use is one called off phonic.

    Now there’s a bunch of different versions of this all phonic you can find over at all phonic calm.

    And they they have two different versions.

    They have their their web service version, and then they have desktop applications.

    I am a big fan of desktop applications, because software is a service, you know, upload to the web and do stuff like that is fine for some applications.

    It’s not my favorite.

    I would rather have a piece of software that runs on my desk that I can use.

    So how does this thing work? I use the most Track addition, there’s two desktop additions, there’s a single file addition.

    And then there’s a multitrack multitrack, obviously by its name requires you to have at least two audio files that you want to level, both independently and together, merge them together into one.

    If you do any kind of recording where you are recording two different tracks, for example, using software like audio hijack audio hijack is a fantastic piece of software that allows you to record one microphone and then and then like your your Skype or zoom or Google Hangout session, record the second one that gives you two different audio files that you then have to merge together.

    If you only record a single audio file, a you’re playing with fire, and B, you’d want the single track desktop edition.

    So let’s look at how this works.

    When you first jump into all phonic you get this environment here now, caveat, if you do only record one off audio file at a time but you want the flexibility of someday maybe needing to be able to merge two together, I would use the multitrack edition.

    And what I do in those cases is when I have a single file, I simply make a copy of it.

    And I have two files that work perfectly with the the multitrack edition.

    Generally speaking, when it comes to this sort of thing, let’s go ahead and do this.

    Let’s do this call it you ask an answer.

    And you get a chance to choose what algorithms you want.

    You want the adaptive leveler to make sure it’s turned on.

    You want cross gating, and you want the volume three is set to minus 16 l u Fs.

    There’s a whole bunch of interesting audio theory but for the moment, that’s generally the best setting.

    When it comes to each of the individual tracks, just make sure that adapter noise gate and high pass filter on noise and hum reduction is auto foreground is auto and the same is true for the second track.

    Then you have your own Track named whatever you want.

    Now again, if you want to get super technical, you can go into the preferences that specify all these different types of algorithm changes.

    Do you want it to be a WAV file? Do you want to be an mp3? Most people, most of the time, probably want a WAV file as the initial export when you’re taking like an interview that you’ve recorded, because in a lot of cases, you’re going to take that file and do something with it, you’re going to add music to it and things like that.

    The same for sample rates and bit depths and stuff.

    Chances are, you’re going to want to leave that as is you can change the directory.

    One thing that’s nice about what all phonic does is if you have intro and outro audio, you can automatically so it to the output file.

    I personally don’t do that I use an editor or Adobe Audition to do that because I would prefer to be able to manipulate it as needed.

    But if you wanted to put that into your workflow, give a consistent intro and outro that you always Use a never changes.

    This would be the way to do that.

    So let’s go ahead and go ahead and process these files.

    What it’s going to do is again, take those two files in this case, because they’re identical, you’ll just get the same thing out.

    It’s going to merge them together.

    Do all of the leveling the noise reduction, the sweetening of the audio to make it sound great.

    One catch, do not use this on music at all, every will, the level later had the same warnings it will sound like somebody sneezing into a tin can or something like that it just does not come out sounding good.

    And you can see here it’s starting to spit out the master track and the each track individually leveled.

    Now let’s look at what this has done.

    And this is the original file you can see here there are spots in this audio file which are really, you know, quiet spots that are that are particularly loud.

    Let’s go ahead and now open up the level file.

    And you can see it’s a lot.

    It’s a much better looking file.

    Let’s go back to this original one here.

    See how it’s not quite as rich or leveled and there’s some value in consistencies.

    In the revised version, things look a lot better, things look a lot cleaner, it’s ready to go.

    So to recap, make sure that you’ve got the correct addition for the way that you work.

    You do the workflow again, I like multitrack.

    I don’t mind a little workaround if you’ve only got one audio file but having that flexibility for recording from multiple pieces of software is is very helpful helpful.

    Minus 16 l u Fs is the setting you want adapt a level and cross gates.

    And then make sure that you’re the form background stuff and the noise and hum reduction or auto.

    You can do ducking you can specify which track should sound more prominent.

    I personally think that For what I’m using this for is in podcasting, you don’t need those things.

    Having again having the option to have it is terrific because you want that level of flexibility they are working on a version didn’t beta right now that is capable of dealing with music and fixing music to so if you’re a musician, you’ll want to keep your eye on that.

    Because that could be very interesting and very exciting for target loudness.

    Unless you’re doing something other than podcast, I was sick the minus 16 l u Fs, even if you’re going to use that audio with video so I will edit for example the audio from my speaking videos and use the exact same setting it sounds fine.

    It’s what people are used to hearing when it comes to podcasts.

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  • Tune into the Marketing Over Coffee Podcast

    Tune into the Marketing Over Coffee Podcast

    It’s somewhat amusing to look back on this post, which was originally published on April 12, 2007, when John and I had first launched Marketing Over Coffee. Back then, the show was done from the Dunkin Donuts in Natick, MA, right on Route 9, because both of us had jobs in the city and it was the easiest place to meet midway, and we were on episode 4.

    An incredible amount has happened since those very early days. Today, thanks to you, we’re on almost our 600th episode, and the show is one of the top business and marketing podcasts in the world, averaging 25,000 subscribers per episode and more than 65,000 listens:

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  • You Ask, I Answer: How Do Podcasts Help Tangible Marketing Goals?

    You Ask, I Answer: How Do Podcasts Help Tangible Marketing Goals?

    Jason asks, “I’m writing about why brands should definitely start a podcast, and I was curious if you had any thoughts about how podcasts are becoming an effective content marketing strategy. How can podcasts can translate into reaching tangible marketing goals?”

    The question is predicated on three different questions: first, what are your tangible marketing goals; second, which of those goals did you start your podcast for, and third, how effective is your measurement strategy?

    Podcasts are like any other form of media, in that they can be used to help bolster nearly any part of the customer journey, from awareness to loyalty. The key is understanding what a podcast is and is not good at. Podcasts generally aren’t good at direct response by themselves. They’re excellent at building both brand and community. They can contribute well to top and middle of funnel with an integrated marketing strategy, meaning they have other digital support like email, blog, etc.

    And like all newer forms of media, they’re neither a magic wand to change your brand or a magic pill that fixes fundamental marketing problems.

    Finally, of course, podcasts live partially outside the clickstream, which means you need robust measurement strategies to help you understand how they’re contributing to your goals. That means surveys, qualitative research, and detailed analytics.

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    In today’s episode, Jason asks, I’m writing about why brands should definitely start a podcast.

    And I was curious if you had any thoughts about how podcasts are becoming an effective content marketing strategy? How can podcasts translate into reaching tangible marketing goals? So, okay, I would say that brands definitely shouldn’t start a podcast brands should consider it, for sure.

    But I don’t think there’s a case where anybody should definitely start a podcast for a whole variety of reasons.

    Now, that said, this question is predicated on three different questions that we need to answer first.

    Number one, what are these tangible marketing goals? A lot of companies do not have tangible marketing goals, a lot of them have very messy, intangible, fuzzy, unclear goals.

    So you need to make sure that you have that well detailed first, what are the specific marketing goals that you want to achieve? Are you looking to build awareness? Are you trying to influence consideration? Are you trying to prompt evaluation? Are you trying to build purchase? Are you working on loyalty? Are you trying to build evangelism? There’s whole big chunks of the customer experience.

    And the question is, what goal Are you trying to achieve with the podcast? And this is not restricted just to podcast? This is true of any marketing.

    Second question, which of these goals did you start your podcast for? And this is, it’s important to be very deliberate about, this is the goal that I want to achieve.

    This is what we’re trying to achieve with a podcast, it is not.

    Let’s start a podcast and see what happens.

    Not if you’re doing it for a brand.

    If you’re doing it for yourself personally, and just want to mess around and you want to have something as a hobby podcast, great.

    do that without a specific goal in mind, have fun with it.

    There are many, many great shows out there that are essentially just doing it for the fun of it.

    But if you’re doing it for brand, if you’re doing it on work time with work resources, work is going to ask you, what goal you helping to support.

    And third, and this is where podcasting in general falls down.

    And marketers in journal fall down.

    How effective is your measurement strategy, you need to be able to measure things very, very clearly and cleanly to gauge the effectiveness of a podcast or any other form of digital marketing.

    Therein lies the problem.

    podcasts are like any other forms of media, right, they can be used to bolster any part of the customer journey.

    If you’re trying to build awareness, you can use a podcast as part of the awareness strategy.

    If you’re trying to build consideration evaluation, you can do like a show about the different types of technology in your space of the different products in your space.

    You can do things about that are specifically for customers, marketing the customers to improve tension and loyalty.

    helping customers for example, understand, hey, you bought this thing, here’s 400 you ways to get use out of it.

    There are any number of cooking appliances that have started very successful podcasts and YouTube channels and things where they’re showing you Hey, you bought this thing, here’s how to extract more value out of this thing.

    The key is understanding what a podcast is and is not good at and I buy a podcast here I assume we are speaking about the audio form of podcasting, not the video form.

    Fundamentally, someone is taking out their their device and there’s almost certainly a smartphone these days.

    They’re sticking in a pair of headphones and they’re listening to the thing, right? What does that look like? Looks like radio is essentially a slightly different form of radio.

    The show is arrived to you depending on the show whenever they’re produced, you listen to it, and and you enjoy it on your commute at the gym at the office at home.

    But it’s audio which means that for the most part when you look at how people listen to podcasts, at the gym, on their commute in the office at home, they’re generally doing something else right that’s what audio is really good at audio is really good at letting you listen while you work out while you sit at your desk while you do this.

    And that in turn means that podcasts are not great at direct response not by themselves right you can tell somebody Hey, go listen to any or insights interesting insights, go subscribe to the blog, go visit my website Christopher Penn calm go subscribe to leave a review for marketing over coffee calm, but people have to be able to remember that and they have to be had to have a reason for that.

    And so we’re a lot of podcasts fall down as they try to act like direct response mechanism and they are not they’re excellent at building brand and community.

    If your show is useful and helpful people will listen to it because they want more useful helpful information if your show is good at connecting people podcasts are excellent at building communities and and nurturing and and really agglomerated giving the community a place to cluster around a voice.

    They podcasts contribute well to top and middle of funnel with an integrated marketing strategy.

    Which means that they need digital support podcasts.

    I have not seen a single podcast that has done well only being a podcast, there is almost always a website, a blog, social media accounts, email newsletter support, paid ads, podcasts that treat the show like a product and provide marketing support, like you provide marketing support to any other product line do well.

    And so a lot of folks who start off podcasting, don’t think about it as a product, it is a product, it is a product and needs Product Marketing.

    So if you’re not doing that, your shows not going to do well.

    And it’s not going to support those content, that those marketing goals that you want to be tangible and has to have that support.

    podcasting is also it is like most other forms of new media.

    It’s like SEO, when it first came out is like email when it first came out when social first came out when mobile apps first came out, in that people want it to be a magic pill, they want to be a magic wand, you just do this thing and all your marketing problems go away.

    Nope, doesn’t work like that.

    It never works like that.

    It can attract attention.

    It attracted more attention 10 years ago, or 15 years ago, really now.

    But now the landscape is so crowded, that starting a podcast will do nothing for you by itself.

    You need to have that integrated strategy, in order for your podcasting be an effective part of what you’re doing for marketing, and you got to be willing to spend some money on it.

    If you’re starting a podcast today and you’re not willing to spend any money on it, it’s probably not going to do well unless you have some kind of headline or talent that people would tune in for just for the sake of tuning in.

    The last part on measurement is that podcasts partially live outside the click stream remember, somebody is Yes, they’re downloading this.

    Yes, they’re loading into an app of some kind on this device and they’ve got their headphones in.

    But once they start listening, you really outside of the click stream, the click stream breaks, meaning if I’m engaging with, say, your Instagram account, I can click from wherever I am to Instagram, click on the link in your bio and Instagram, go to your website and I can clearly see that chain of evidence that said this person came from Instagram.

    If you’re listening to a podcast other than voice response for like voicera systems like saying you know, hey, Alexa, go to marketing over coffee calm.

    The click stream breaks.

    You may be listening to marketing over coffee.

    And then you open up a browser on your desk or or you know maybe on your phone, don’t fall off the treadmill and you type in marketing over coffee calm.

    Well, the click stream is broken.

    There’s no attribution for that.

    It comes in, in Google Analytics as direct none, no refer.

    Nobody knows where it came from.

    So you need to have very robust measurement strategies to help understand how your podcast is contributing to those marketing goals.

    That means you need to be serving your audience on a regular basis, not your podcast.

    So have your overall audience Have you listened to Brand X podcast? That means that on every intake point, you know, every form that somebody fills out every time someone calls the call center you need to be asking, What made you call in today? Right What made you fill out this form today? Was the podcast was it a search was it word of mouth from a friend Why did you do it at the podcast never shows up that’s probably about helping back.

    You need qualitative research like focus groups and things.

    And you need detailed analytics and and the more of that digital support system that your podcast has like a website like trust insights.ai, or marketing over coffee calm.

    Or Christopher penn.com something that gives you a different referring URL, a newsletter social media accounts, if your podcast has all those things, again, like a product would, then you can do more attribution of how people are finding you and completing those goals that you set out in the beginning.

    So there’s a lot to making a podcast work, there’s a lot to making a podcast part of your marketing strategy and part of your marketing goals.

    But it for sure is not magic.

    And it is not going to fix the most fundamental problem with your marketing, which is if nobody likes your product or service podcast isn’t gonna help.

    Right? your podcast has to be in support of something that people actually want.

    So great question Jason.

    important question and we could spend hours and hours on this but give these things some thought.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: 10 Tips for Starting a Business Podcast

    You Ask, I Answer_ 10 Tips for Starting a Business Podcast

    Genevieve asks, “What tips would you give to someone wanting to start a podcast?”

    Having been a podcaster since 2005, I have so many. Let’s start with the basics.

    1. For business, have clear, measurable goals.
    2. Start small. Your smartphone and a $40 headset or mic are good enough.
    3. Your first 10 episodes will suck. Acknowledge it.
    4. Use AI to transcribe if you don’t have time to do it yourself. Text is still how search engines find things, even today.
    5. Be regular and frequent – the Seinfeld rule.
    6. Great content follows the 3E rule – so must your podcast.
    7. Podcasters always worry about the tools – worry about the audience.
    8. Expect to pay for ads to grow your audience unless you already have massive brand equity.
    9. Measure your podcast with Google Analytics™ and traffic to your podcast website. Downloads aren’t useful.
    10. The most powerful marketing tool for your podcast is an email list. Build with that as a secondary goal to your overall business goal.

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    JOHN we have asks in today’s you ask I answer. What are some tips you would give to someone wanting to start a podcast. Now I’m going to assume this is for business purposes. If you’re going to do this for personal purposes podcasting far fewer best practices exist as a student for fun. And that’s totally awesome and I would encourage people if you want to start a podcast for fun. Great, go for it for business. There are sort of 10 basics that I think are important for starting a podcast and doing it well for business purposes. Number one, first and foremost, kind of clear measurable goals. Why are you doing a podcast. What is the the end goal that you want to support if you don’t have this don’t do the podcast and it’s true of any form of marketing. If you don’t have a goal, don’t do it. So even waste your time number to start small, your smartphone and a $40 headset like this wireless one here or.

    This little Wiimote of ads. It plugs right into your headphones is good enough podcast just tend to worry a lot about the technology, the tools and the gear is good enough to start once you get some traction. Once you get some audience, then you can start to worry about all the other stuff like really expensive microphones and things. Number three, your first 10 episodes are gonna suck acknowledge it. That’s just the way it is expecting your podcast to be perfect out of the gate. Not going to happen and your show will evolve over time there will be

    changes and how you do stuff. There’ll be updates and upgrades along the way. So, but acknowledged the first 10 episodes will be awful. They will be the things that you will go back and laugh at and that’s okay. Number four, use artificial intelligence transcribe your show. If you don’t have time to do it yourself by hand text is still how search engines find things even, you know, it’s still 2018.

    But search engines still use text. First, there are a number of good services Amazon transcribed just came out of beta there’s auto dot AI,

    there are there’s Google speech to text Watson speech to text from IBM a number of good services that can transcribe at very very low cost. So take a look at them, I would say, give,

    give, Google Watson and Amazon a shot at transcribing a podcast. My recommendation is read off of a set of prepared notes and then

    record your reading of it then stick it into each of the services and then which and compare the transcripts that come back and whichever is the one that’s most accurate for your voice use that service because different services handle

    the way people speak differently

    Google seems to do best with my voice in the way I speak because I tend to speak very, very quickly. The other services, don’t do as good a job, they kind of Mangle.

    things a little bit number five be regular and frequent follow the Seinfeld rule. Whenever I speak about podcasting and marketing in general I will ask the audience

    unless it’s like entirely people under the age of 30, but I’ll ask the audience when was Seinfeld on them and the folks a little more gray hair and audience all also it was Thursdays at nine okay what channel NBC and I always point out to them, you know, you still know this. This is almost 20 years is more than 20 years later now Seinfeld went off the air in 1997. Why do you still know when Seinfeld was on because it was great content and it was on regularly and frequently. So those those rules your contents got to be good but also should be regular and frequent and scheduled so that if your show is good people know when to expect it. People know when to look for it. And one of the signs of success for podcasting blogging any form of content more.

    Really is if you miss an episode someone least someone hopefully a lot of someone’s all go Hey, where’s this week’s thing where is it

    that shows that you’re doing it right, because people want it and they miss it and they know when it’s supposed to be there. Number six, great content follows the three he rule content has to be engaging educational or entertaining one of those three things has to be true in order for content to be good. Ideally, that’s all three if you can if you can hit entertain engage and and educate all at the same time you’ll do great content if your content has none of those No one’s going to listen to the show.

    Number seven podcast is always worried about the tools worry about the audience focus on growing your audience

    unless you have a defined audience from the start, like say employee is just doing an employee podcast that you know you that you don’t have to worry about growing it.

    beyond the confines of your company, but if you’re trying to grow it for marketing purposes worry more about getting audience and worry about the tools. What microphone you should be using really important number eight expect to pay for ads to support your show, unless you already have massive brand equity. Now if Walmart or Amazon

    wants to roll out a podcast and they want to, you know, put it on the front page of their respective websites, guess what they’ll have a million subscribers tomorrow easy

    but for everybody else we can’t do that real another good example. Will Smith when he started his Instagram account 10 million subscribers almost immediately why because he’s entertaining engaging

    and sometimes educational but he has massive brand equity. He had no trouble getting that because people already love him. Most of us are not that situation. Most of us are not Will Smith, so expect to pay for ads. The idea that you can use social media unpaid alone to grow your podcast isn’t going to happen anymore.

    have to use advertising the cheapest advertising right now is display through really good DSP and Facebook and Instagram. That’s where you’re going to find the the lowest cost advertising. As of April 2018, so that will will change over time. So always be on the lookout for where the the next easy to access audiences number nine measure your podcast with Google Analytics and traffic to your podcast website downloads are not useful. They are no longer useful tool because so many services will grab the raw audio file, but they will then cash, they will keep a copy of it so that they can serve it up to, subscribers without having to re download and hit your server over and over again. And so that’s not a reliable measure of your shows growth, it’s, it can be directional but it’s still not great Google Analytics and traffic to your podcast website or to your podcast page on your corporate website.

    The way to go because you can see how many people are actually showing up there

    and that’s a good a much better barometer plus if you focus on traffic to the podcast website, then you will get all of the attribution that for all your other conversion goals like you know form fills and things on your website that come from have it using Google Analytics as the standard the gold standard for measurement finally number 10 the most powerful tool that you can build with your podcast for your podcast is your email list your podcast should have an email newsletter, it should go out every time a new episode goes out, it should contain the show notes for that episode and

    growing that list is your secondary Business School, whatever your primary business goal is that everyone that’s still obviously the most important form bills, whatever, but the secondary goal should be getting people to subscribe to an email list because again you can measure that you can identify it.

    Visual people with that and that is an asset that everybody in marketing can use it is you know the the sales team can use it the CRM can use it. Your retargeting and remarketing lists can use it. And so

    an email is just an absolutely essential part of building your podcast so great question. JOHN def in terms of what tips you need to start a podcast. These are the starting 10 there was an entire universe of podcast marketing out and I’ll put a link in in the show notes to a blog post series that I wrote as well. So make sure that you check out the notes to this episode as always thank you for watching this is subscribe to the audio for this as a podcast as well. And I’ll put a little link in the notes to that as well. Thanks for watching as always subscribe to the YouTube channel an email newsletter and I’ll talk to you soon. Take care.

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