Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

Category: Podcasting

  • Podcast Interview Tips for Non-Podcasters

    Podcast Interview Tips for Non-Podcasters

    Podcasting – and audio in general – can be a bit arcane to folks who aren’t audio nerds. If you’ve been asked to be a guest on a podcast, here are some tips about the people, process, and technology of podcast interviews that will help make your guest appearance as successful as possible.

    People

    Before you interview, do your homework:

    • Know who the hosts are and how to pronounce their names.
    • Provide your name and correct pronunciation to your hosts.
    • Look up your hosts on LinkedIn for background and conversation starters.
    • Review previous episodes to learn the flow and outline for how a typical show goes, how the hosts work with guests.
    • Ask your hosts what their audience wants to hear about most.
    • Address your hosts by name regularly throughout the interview.
    • As appropriate, assist your hosts in promoting the episode of the show in advance.
    • Provide your own media kit well in advance containing you biography in short and long form, headshot, title, and company.

    Process

    Before appearing on the show, and while you’re on the show, keep these process tips in mind.

    • Prepare your remarks in advance, as well as anticipated questions if your hosts did not provide them.
    • Assume that from the moment you make a connection, the recording is on. There is no such thing as “off the record”; behave accordingly.
    • Assume that the hosts will do minimal or no editing and speak accordingly.
    • Silence all devices and shut down all non-essential applications on your computer.
    • Turn off all notifications.
    • If in an office, close your office door and/or put up a Do Not Disturb sign.
    • Be sure you have plenty of reminders about when your interview is. Don’t miss it.
    • Ask hosts for a text/SMS/notification mechanism so that you can contact them if something unexpected happens.
    • If the hosts send you guest guidelines, read and adhere to them.
    • Practice with a friend or colleague in advance. Do a full dry rehearsal, with all your equipment, at least 24 hours before your interview.
    • If you’ll be promoting something, be sure your offer is available, your website works, etc.
    • Treat an interview as under embargo; don’t publish content from the interview until after it has gone live.
    • Have water or the beverage of your choice nearby.
    • Always use the restroom 15 minutes before your interview begins.
    • Speak more slowly than you normally do.
    • Slightly exaggerate your enunciation for clarity.

    Technology

    While many people focus on the technology first, it’s arguably the least important. Podcasters can help you work around technical difficulties if they’re any good. They can’t repair an unprepared guest. That said, here are steps to take to increase the likelihood of a technically strong interview.

    • Always, without exception, use a wired Internet connection. Never use Wi-Fi. The latency will make the interview awkward and uncomfortable.
    • Avoid at all costs recording or interviewing over a phone line.
    • Never record in an environment with ambient noise such as a coffee shop, store, open office, etc. Find the quietest room you can find.
    • Use the best microphone you have and/or can afford.
    • If you haven’t bought a microphone, a Blue Snowball USB mic is a straightforward investment and only costs about US$50.
    • Wear headphones.
    • Power down your mobile phone or put it into airplane mode; electronic emissions from it can cause severe interference with microphones.
    • Sign on and test your equipment 30-60 minutes before showtime.
    • Avoid any software updates or other IT-related matters before your interview so as to ensure a working computer when the interview time arrives.
    • Avoid typing or using the mouse during recording.
    • Avoid making any kind of impact on the surface where the microphone is placed – coffee cup on the desk, accidental impact, etc.
    • If the hosts use a service that creates a local audio file, be sure to upload it to them.

    After the Interview

    What you do after the interview determines whether or not you’ll be invited back.

    • Follow common courtesy and thank the hosts.
    • Confirm the publication date.
    • Confirm the episode URL in a followup email.
    • Promote your episode of the show as heavily as possible on social media, websites, and with paid advertising. Nothing gets you invited back like having your interview be the most downloaded episode ever.

    Follow these tips and you’ll be the best, most memorable podcast guest most shows have had.

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  • Celebrating 10 Years of Marketing Over Coffee

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    Ten years ago, in a Dunkin Donuts in Natick, Massachusetts, John Wall and I started up our first marketing podcast, Marketing Over Coffee. We’d each done work with audio previously; I’d been doing a financial aid-related show and John was doing The M Show. Marketing Over Coffee was borne of us wanting to do something else, something different. At the time, there were just a handful of marketing podcasts such as Mitch Joel’s Six Pixels of Separation and John Jantsch’s Duct Tape Marketing Podcast.

    We started as an interview show simply as a way to make sure we were consistent, the podcasting equivalent of workout buddies. Over time, the show has evolved as we’ve changed careers (several times), moved homes, changed industries (several times), and evolved our understanding of the wonderful world of marketing.

    The show has changed significantly more as technology has changed. Back when the show started:

    • There was no iPhone. The iPhone wouldn’t be released until September of 2007.
    • Facebook had a scant 30 million users.
    • MySpace was the reigning king of social media at 68 million users.
    • Twitter wasn’t a company yet, just an internal service at Odeo, a podcasting company.

    Here we are, a decade later, when smartphones rule our lives, Facebook owns a good chunk of the Internet itself, MySpace is gone, and Twitter has had its glory days.

    A few highlights of the show over the years:

    The early years: 2008:

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    Live show taping at Hubspot:

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    Broadcasting from the floor of Dreamforce:

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    Named the #1 rated marketing podcast by Inc. Magazine:

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    We’ve enjoyed 479 episodes so far, with many more on the way. I’m thankful to you, the listeners of the show, for staying with us for 10 years, and hope you’ll stay subscribed for another 10, or however long the show runs. John and I don’t have any plans to stop doing the show, or to stop being marketers.

    If you’re not already listening, subscribe on iTunes, get the complete back catalog with the iOS app, listen on Android with Stitcher, visit the website for the newsletter, and join the LinkedIn Group.

    Thanks again for joining us on this decade-long ride.

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  • 3 Digital Audiences To Understand For Your Podcast And Business

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    An old but good article on Social Media Examiner was shared recently about podcasting tips that I’d contributed to in 2012, about how to understand our podcast audience. Much has changed since that article, so I thought I’d refresh the advice for the present day.

    Mobile Still Matters

    The percentage of your audience that uses a smartphone still matters, because podcast consumption predominantly happens on mobile devices:

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    71% of podcast listeners use a mobile device, according to Edison Research in early 2016.

    However, beyond this number, what else should we know about our podcast audience? We should look at 3 data points about our digital audiences.

    Audience 1: Our Social Audience

    Determine which of our social network audiences is most beneficial to us. For me, Twitter tends to provide the most benefit, so I’ll start there. In Twitter Analytics, what is my audience interested in?

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    Who is my audience based on occupation?

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    These two reports tell us who our social media audience is and what their interests are. Since we will likely use social media to build our audience, knowing what topics and interests are relevant to our audience is a great place to start.

    Audience 2: Our On-Site Audience

    Our second audience to understand is on our website and/or owned digital properties. This audience is any audience we can fully track with our Google Analytics (or other equivalent) software. Let’s look at interests on-site.

    What are our audiences interested in?

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    We see above a number of interest topics which should guide our content strategy. How many of them overlap with our social audience? Is there a content gap we should be aware of, things our social audience is interested in that our website audience is not?

    More important, are there topics which our audience is interested in both locations that we’re not providing in our content? If so, remedy that!

    Audience 3: Our Email Audience

    Our third, and potentially most valuable, audience is our email audience. No matter what your podcast or business is, an email list is essential to your survival and growth.

    Our email list contains whatever data we collect at the time from the user, plus whatever else we append it with. For my personal newsletter, I ask for a variety of fields such as name, title, and company.

    What does this information tell me? It tells me much about my audience – who they are, what else they might potentially be interested in, and at what level I should be communicating at.

    For example, if my audience is all mid-career, mid-level management, writing C-Suite content might be aspirational for them, but not practically helpful. Writing entry-level content might be useful for them to pass along, but it won’t help them in their day-to-day work.

    What if you don’t have more than just an email address? Data cleansing and appending services like Data.com, Clearbit, NetProspex, ZoomInfo, and many others can help you clean up your data and learn more, for a fee ranging from 10 cents per email to $5 per email, depending on how much data you need.

    Another important tactic in your email list is to create a segmentation in your Google Analytics just for people who respond to your emails (the orange bars below):

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    We want to understand how the interests of our email audience are different from our other audiences.

    Three Layers of Audience

    What we have above are three layers of audience, from our least committed (social) to our most committed (email). By comparing each audience, we better understand who we speak to at every level, and what topics and interests are most relevant throughout the journey of an audience member from casual contact to loyal fan. With this information, we will be able to tailor our podcast, our content, and our business towards what matters most to our audiences, giving them what they want, and growing our business in the process.

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  • What Podcasters Do Wrong The Most

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    I had the privilege and pleasure to speak at Jeff Pulver’s Age of Messaging on the Net (MoNage) conference this week with my friend, colleague, and PodCamp co-founder Chris Brogan. While we covered a wide range of topics in our 30 minute discussion, I wanted to highlight one key point, the one thing most podcasters do wrong.

    Consider the 4Ps of marketing that we’ve discussed recently, especially around the topic of customer experience:

    • Product
    • Price
    • Place
    • Promotion

    Let’s put these elements in the context of podcasting. Bear in mind, because podcasting is a form of media, we must examine it from two different perspectives:

    • We must examine podcasting from the lens of the audience, the people who listen to or watch the show.
    • We must examine it from the perspective of the customer, who may be the sponsor, the direct purchaser, or the content network, depending on the business model of the podcast.

    This is a critical point: the consumer may not be the customer.

    How should podcasters think about these basics?

    Product is the podcast itself, the contents and the production of the show.

    Price is the cost of the podcast to the audience. It may be financial, but most often it’s time. The consumer of a podcast pays an opportunity cost; they could be listening to watching something else. Price is also the cost of the podcast to the actual customer, the sponsors or the purchasers of the show.

    Place, for the audience, is where the show is consumed, the context in which it is consumed. Place, for the customer, is the context of the show itself. For example, Marketing Over Coffee is a marketing show. Our place in the landscape of podcasting is in the marketing category; if you want to sell stuff to marketers, we are the right place for you.

    Promotion is the marketing of the podcast, both to audiences and to customers. Audiences need to know why they should listen. Customers need to know why the show is valuable to them and they should buy what your show is selling.

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    Now, when you talk to most podcasters, what do they talk about the most? They talk about the show – the product and the production of the product. They talk about microphones, compressors, hosting services, etc. Most podcasters spend so much time focusing on the product that they neglect the remainder of the key ingredients – and their shows, their labors of love languish in obscurity.

    When we examine the most successful podcasts, both independent and corporate, we see that these shows place equal and balanced emphasis on all aspects of the show:

    • They create a good product, of course.
    • They understand the place that their show occupies and how their consumers listen to it.
    • They understand the price they charge and create shows of reasonable length, and they charge the right amount of money to attract sponsors.
    • They promote their shows and invest as much or more time in the marketing of the show as the production of the show.

    If you are considering creating a podcast, or you’re wondering why your podcast is not thriving, ask yourself the difficult question of whether you’re placing too much emphasis on any one of the four key areas that drives the success of your podcast. Then fix what’s most neglected, achieve balance, and your podcast will stand a much greater chance of being successful.

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  • 1-Question Survey: Machine-Generated Audio Blog

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    Last week, one of my employees said that they would prefer audio versions of content for their lengthy commute. That got me thinking – while I don’t have time to custom-record every blog post I write, I could easily generate audio versions of my blog using Watson.

    I’ve been experimenting with IBM’s Watson Developer Cloud, which contains dozens of useful services for marketers and content creators. One of the services is a large-scale text-to-speech translator which turns the written word into the spoken word.

    Would you listen? Here’s a sample:


    If nothing shows, please click here.

    In case you’re wondering, this particular voice (IBM Allison) is clearest for me to hear against typical road noise in my car. If a significant number of people vote in favor of a machine-generated audio blog, this is likely the voice I’ll use.

    Please take this one-question survey and let me know if you’d listen!

    Audio Blog Survey

    Audio Blog Survey

    Thanks!

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  • Marketing Over Coffee: Facebook Instant Articles and AMP Tips

    In this week’s Marketing Over Coffee video special, check out our suggested tips for Facebook Instant Articles, AMP tips, and much more, including some special advice you can only get by tuning in.

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  • What is the best microphone for podcasting?

    One of the perennial questions I’ve gotten as a veteran podcaster is, “What is the best microphone for podcasting?”.

    There are three answers to this question.

    Answer 1: Like the best camera, the best microphone is the one you have with you when you want to record some audio. In the era of nearly ubiquitous wi-fi and LTE networks, chances are you’ll have opportunities to record. If you have no gear with you, you can’t record no matter how good the moment is. Fortunately, smartphones are quite capable recorders in a pinch.

    Answer 2: The best microphone is the microphone you can afford. When you’re starting out, get whatever’s affordable, especially if you’re not sure podcasting is for you. Once you determine whether you enjoy the medium (and/or it has executive support, if you’re doing it for a company), you can re-invest in audio gear, but you don’t need much more than the basics to start.

    Answer 3: The best microphone is the one that works best with your voice. Microphones all handle sound differently. Some are designed to bring in sound from specific directions. Others are designed to catch specific frequencies.

    Here’s an example. I recorded a series of 4 audio segments with 4 different kinds of microphones. Listen to the difference:

    Here’s a visualization of that audio:

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    What we see is that samples 1 and 3 pick up a lot of stuff. There’s a lot of noise, as evidenced by the brighter red and yellows at the top half of each of their sections. Sample 2 is missing a big chunk of stuff, largely because of limitations of the smartphone. Sample 4 is the semi-pro microphone that’s designed to reject some noise – from different directions and on certain frequencies – while giving priority to specific sounds. My voice, which occupies the lowest quarter of the diagram, is bigger and brighter in sample 4 than in the other samples.

    Is this the best microphone for podcasting? It is for me, but the same is not true for everyone. Every voice is unique and different, and occupies different frequencies. What works for me will not necessarily work for you; no one would expect a microphone that makes James Earl Jones sound amazing will do the same for Mariah Carey or Taylor Swift.

    So, how do you choose the best microphone based on your voice? The short answer is to go out and test as many as you can. Some music stores will let you bring a laptop and record samples of your voice to see what suits you best. Or go to an event like a PodCamp and try out other podcasters’ microphones.

    Conclusion

    The best microphone is a blend of what you have when you need it, what you can afford, and what’s optimum for your voice. Without hesitation, the microphone that you actually use is the best one, whereas a microphone that just sits and collects dust is worthless, no matter how high quality it is.

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  • How to market your podcast, part 5: Measuring success

    Podcasting has found new favor with the marketing world. Marketers are creating podcasts left and right, but are spending so much time on creating it that they forget to market it. This series is for you, so that people listen or watch your new creation.

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    In today’s installment, let’s talk about measuring the success of your podcast. It’s one of the most controversial and tricky areas of podcasting. In podcasting, there are 4 sets of metrics that you likely have access to: feed/file, reach, web, and marketing metrics. We’ll dive in from the top.

    Feed/File Metrics

    Feed and file download metrics are the earliest form of podcast metric. They are essentially the number of times your digital files have been downloaded and the number of people subscribed to your RSS feed. While basic in nature and easy to understand, they’re highly unreliable for two main reasons: caching and completion. Many services such as iTunes, Stitcher Radio, and other podcast listening software will make a copy of your episodes and serve them from their servers. This reduces load on your server, which is not a bad thing. However, one copy made of a file from your server can be played hundreds or thousands of times, and you won’t know.

    Completion is the second reason why feed metrics are unreliable. Just because someone’s subscribed to your show or downloaded your episodes doesn’t mean they’ve listened to you. Here’s an example from the Freakonomics Podcast that’s on my phone:

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    As you can see above, I’ve listened to none of these episodes yet. However, they still count as downloads. If you’re trying to gauge the success of your show, it’s relatively easy to see how misleading feed and file numbers can be.

    Reach Metrics

    Reach metrics are the top of the audience and media funnel:

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    • How many people in your audience have you exposed to your material?
    • How many have engaged?
    • How many have clicked on a podcast player in your Twitter feed, for example?

    These numbers will come from a variety of sources like social media listening tools, Twitter and Facebook audience tools, and can be part of your overall podcast analytics package. If you’ve got a huge social following but no one clicks on anything, then you don’t have much reach into your audience.

    Web Metrics

    Downstream from audience and engagement metrics are things like web analytics. Assuming you’ve set up the basic content infrastructure for your podcast, you should have web analytics available to tell you how people are finding your show and how often they stick around.

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    All of the basic web analytics metrics apply, such as new and returning visitors, form fills, and pageview/engagement times.

    Business Metrics

    Finally, down funnel even further are your business impact metrics. Who did something meaningful such as sign up for an email newsletter, ask to speak to a sales representative, or even buy something? Here’s an example of my on-site survey asking people how they heard about me, personally:

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    For this survey period, 2 out of the 13 people who filled out the survey indicated that my podcast was part of the way they found me. That’s fairly compelling.

    The Big Picture

    Each of these metrics should be lined up in a dashboard or report so that you can see – and your advertisers/sponsors can see – what kind of numbers you’ve got. I’ve taken metrics from each category and combined them into a spreadsheet, then charted it out for a big picture view of the health of the show:

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    What do we see?

    • [1] is the subscriber count. We’re looking for direction here more than anything, because of the aforementioned caching and completion problems.
    • [2] is the reach number. This combines media mentions, social shares, and other measurements.
    • [3] is website traffic, straight out of Google Analytics.
    • [4] is email list subscriber growth, the number of people signed up for the Marketing Over Coffee mailing list. Again, looking for trend here.

    I could add in all kinds of other metrics, too, such as LinkedIn group members, Twitter followers, sponsor revenue, etc. in their appropriate buckets, but this is more an example than anything. When you do this for yourself, you will almost certainly have to resort to pulling all the data together in a spreadsheet. There are just too many data sources that aren’t connected to each other to build an all-in-one dashboard that isn’t custom-made.

    Advanced Big Picture

    Using the visualization and analysis techniques from my book Marketing Blue Belt, I can take the above data and figure out what the trends are:

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    The blue lines were simplified into 14 day moving averages for visual clarity. The black lines put atop them are trend lines (2 degree polynomial fitting) that show the general momentum of each data series. What does this tell me? The top two series, subscribers and reach, are going in the wrong direction. The bottom two lines, web analytics and email list growth, are doing okay. Thus, from this analysis, I should spend more time growing the audience in order to restore momentum there.

    Wrapup

    Each individual metric above has issues. Combined, they can paint a picture that gives us some sense of what to do and whether things are going in the right direction or not. There are more advanced podcast metrics available, but typically out of reach for smaller shows like mine. Tom Webster and his team at Edison Research have the scoop on the top shelf stuff.

    This also concludes our how to market your podcast series. I’ll have either a book or webinar (or both) coming at some point in the future, but for now, this is a good start. Thanks for reading, and be sure to tune into Marketing Over Coffee!

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  • How to market your podcast, part 4: Twitter tactics for exposure

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    Podcasting has found new favor with the marketing world. Marketers are creating podcasts left and right, but are spending so much time on creating it that they forget to market it. This series is for you, so that people listen or watch your new creation.

    Posts in the How to Market Your Podcast series:

    Interested in a real-life example? Check out my marketing podcast, Marketing Over Coffee!

    Today, let’s switch over from the strategic perspective to the tactical, nuts and bolts perspective.

    We’ll start with some tactical Twitter tips for getting an episode seen or heard using unpaid and paid methods.

    Unpaid Methods

    First and foremost, make sure you’ve got your podcast registered with Stitcher Radio. Stitcher has a nice Twitter integration for sharing episodes.

    Next, find your most recent episode:

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    You’ll see the Tweet button. Hit it to get the URL for copying and pasting.

    Once you’ve gotten it, you can either Tweet as is, rewrite it, or better yet, include it in scheduled Tweets. It’s a good idea to include some hashtags if you’ve got a specific topic or theme. You’ll note I included #SEO. When you tweet with a Stitcher URL, this nice player is what shows up on Twitter. Note that you can hit Play below and hear the episode right inside the tweet – even embedded on my website:

    This is a nice way to show off your most recent episode. It’ll get some views and some plays, depending on how large your Twitter following is and how in tune with your show they are.

    Next, go to Twitter search and type in: looking for new podcasts. You’ll see a whole bunch of people asking about new shows:

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    Look carefully at their requests. For example, in the graphic above, the person asking about podcasts at work might be a good candidate for Marketing Over Coffee, since my show is a work-related show. For the other shows, don’t just blindly reply. Ask if they’re interested in your topic, and if they affirm, only then share your show with them.

    If you’re operating on a zero dollar budget, stop here. The above tips will help you grow an organic audience.

    Fast Cheap Good

    It will not be fast, but it will be cheap, and if you do it with respect, you’ll build a good audience.

    Paid Methods

    If you don’t have a ton of Twitter followers but you do have some budget, not to worry. Just a few ad dollars can help fix that. Head over to Twitter Analytics at analytics.twitter.com. Click on the Tweets button:

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    Scroll down until you find your most recent episode and then click View Tweet Details:

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    Now all you need to do is find the Promote Tweet button in the lower left hand corner and hit it:

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    And specify how much you want to spend. The tweet will be promoted to your followers and most important, to people who follow topics you mention in your tweet. Remember the hashtag you put in your tweet? This is how the ad software knows who else to show your tweet to.

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    For $10, you can get some additional engagement with your show and ideally pick up some new listeners. From here, it’s simply a question of how quickly you want to grow and how much budget you have to expend. It’s fast and it’s good, but of course, compared to unpaid methods, it’s not cheap.

    However, your show is more than just passive listeners. What if you want to build up the mailing list so that you can reach out when you need to? In the next post in this series, we’ll look at how to beef up the email list.

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  • How to market your podcast, part 3: Content strategy

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    Podcasting is the new darling of the marketing world – a genre that’s been around for over a decade, but only now is getting serious attention. If you’re thinking about starting a podcast, this series is for you, on how to market your new podcast.

    Posts in the How to Market Your Podcast series:

    Interested in a real-life example? Check out my marketing podcast, Marketing Over Coffee!

    In order to achieve your business goals, ultimately your podcast has to have an audience. No audience = no results. So how do you build a podcasting audience? That’s today’s topic.

    Building audience is composed of two core components: audience strategy, the who, and content strategy, the what. In the last post, we covered the who. Let’s talk about the what.

    The What: Content Strategy

    Without good content, no amount of marketing is going to build your audience. Mediocre content will churn listeners as fast as you get them. Bad content won’t even accomplish that. You’ve got to have great content. More important, you’ve got to have several different kinds of content in several different formats to reach your audience reliably.

    For example, many podcasts are audio. A few are video. Your audience can’t easily preview either. Thus, you need to have written content to accompany your multimedia. Podcasting old-timers call these “show notes”, but you can call them whatever you like as long as they make sense. Show notes can be literal transcripts of what’s said, or time-based outlines, as we do with the Marketing Over Coffee podcast. As an added bonus, if you’ve got show notes, you can provide additional accessibility to the hearing impaired.

    On top of that, there are typically 4 additional media properties beyond the audio/video files themselves. A great podcast probably has an email list so that listeners can receive notifications when new episodes are available. Services like Mailchimp or Feedblitz do this well; simply tie in your podcast RSS feed to the service and it’ll send email every time you publish. If you want to get more sophisticated, you can send out a weekly or monthly recap email as well.

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    A great podcast should build social media properties associated with it – Twitter, Facebook, and LinkedIn are good starting points. Pinterest, Instagram, Snapchat, etc. if your audience is there. If you’re not sure how to check, read the bottom of this post for a neat trick to find your audience. These social properties are another set of avenues for notifying listeners when a new episode is available for them to consume.

    Podcasts focused on growing audiences will have advertising channels available to them. This can be something as simple as AdWords text ads or something as complex as media buys and placements in other podcasts. Remember that you don’t have to spend a fortune for paid promotion; things like sponsored Tweets and paid Facebook posts can cost as little as $5 to start.

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    Finally, podcasts that want to be found put those show notes onto a website or blog, and that blog is kept up to date and fresh. Search engines cannot reliably index either audio or video yet. I use WordPress for everything, especially since WordPress also automatically creates podcast RSS feeds. Make sure no matter what that your website is mobile friendly.

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    That’s your content strategy checklist, the assets you’re going to need: show notes, email list, social network profiles, ad buys, and website.

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    Together, they’re like marketing Voltron, a whole bigger than the sum of the parts. (fun fact, Voltron was originally called Beast King GoLion in Japan)

    In the next part in this series, we’ll dig into a couple of tactics that bring these strategies to life.

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