Category: Podcasting

Once upon a time, I did a talk on podcast audience building. We’ll have to go back to that well sometime soon, but in the meantime, Lon asked:

@cspenn @chrisbrogan how about audience growth? I find discovery to be the biggest challenge in podcasting. Too many steps for listeners.

— Lon Seidman (@lonseidman) February 6, 2013

First and foremost, plant the flag everywhere you can. Get into the iTunes store. Get into Stitcher. Buy or hire someone to make you an app for mobiles. Anywhere that your audience could find you, get your show there.

Next, pick a place to make your stand. What percentage of your audience is using what device? Go to your web stats. Go under mobile devices. Turn it into a pie chart. What’s the platform of choice?

Once you figure that out, make your push in all of your media to get people to that platform’s repository for podcasting and your show in particular, or if there’s no clear answer, send people to your website for instructions.

After you’ve done these basics, it’s all about audience-building, and that means media – paid, earned, and owned. You can, if you have budget, hire a PR firm to do it, but most podcasters don’t have that kind of budget, so build it yourself. Try out pay per click ads and advertise to the narrowest segment you can for very short money, like $5 a day, and see how that goes. Publish your podcast on every platform you own – let people know when a new episode is available on social media, in your email list, on your website. Earn some attention from other people influential in your niche and ask them to mention or feature your podcast.

For example, here are three you probably haven’t checked out yet.

• The Work Talk Show with DJ Waldow and Nick Westergaard. How people work.
• Riffing on Writing with Jason Konopinski. How people are creative and how they write.
• The Socialized Business with Justin Levy and Michael Brito. Trends in social business.

And of course a few of the ones you’ve heard of, even if you haven’t listened.

• Marketing Over Coffee with John Wall and me. Marketing.
• The Human Business Way with Chris Brogan. Interviews and thoughts on business.
• The Beancast with Bob Knorpp. Business, news, marketing, and current issues.
• Six Pixels of Separation with Mitch Joel. Mostly thought leader interviews.

This is what I mean by earning mentions. Go out and ask people in your space, in your niche, in your vertical for mentions, and help them put together a list like the one above on their websites. When I was doing the Financial Aid Podcast, I asked every financial aid administrator at every college in the nation to put my show on their websites, long before podcasting was as easy as linking up to a Stitcher or iTunes page. It worked – in the old days of podcasting, when it was a pain in the ass to listen to any podcast, there were 5,000 listeners tuning in daily.

Go make a promo. Ever since the old days of podcasting, making audio promos for other shows was a way to earn some mentions on the air. People seem to have forgotten this, as I haven’t seen a single promo hit the Marketing Over Coffee inbox in years. Not sure what I mean? Give a listen (and if you have a podcast, please put this in your show with my blessing):

Then I ship the promo out to other podcasters:

That’s one way you build audience on the cheap.

Irony: today it’s easier than ever to create a podcast and harder than ever to build an audience for one.

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On the last day of Blogworld, one of the panelists in a “state of podcasting” discussion made this amusing comment while lamenting the lack of growth of his own show: “things aren’t like they were in the golden age of podcasting”. I nearly hit my head laughing at the absurdity of that statement. Take a look at this chart by Tom Webster of Edison Research:

Look at those stats.

• In 2008, 18% of the US population 12+ had listened to a podcast.
• In 2012, that number is 29%.

Now consider that the American population ages 12+ is approximately 260 million people. (source)

Let’s put those percentages in absolute numbers.

• In 2008, 46.8 million Americans had listened to a podcast.
• In 2012, that number is 75.4 million Americans.

In what world do you have 28.6 million MORE customers and the “golden age” of your industry is past to you? Other than a world that’s bad at math, maybe. That growth rate is also astonishing. If only our stock market portfolios had nearly tripled in 6 years.

Podcasting is bigger than ever. It’s more powerful than ever. People are using it differently, as a source of Internet radio on demand rather than a time shifting mechanism. With 3G, 4G, 4G LTE, iPhones and Androids in every pocket, and ubiquitous Internet access, the audience has never been more ready for podcasters.

Here’s the fundamental problem that most independent podcasters have failed to tackle in 6 years: they’ve been squabbling over the same tiny pie of people actively seeking new podcasts to listen to instead of making the pie bigger. In the years since podcasting’s shiny new object status came and went, we’ve seen the rise of social media, the ubiquity of email marketing, the insane power of SEO on all digital ventures, the tidal wave of mobile, and more. Each of these opportunities gave podcasters the chance to grow their audience, to grow their channel, to gain mindshare and market share.

Take a look at how Marketing Over Coffee’s audience on LinkedIn has grown in 3 years:

Here’s the bottom line: if you are podcasting, you are a media outlet. You are a publisher. You are competing with every other media outlet out there, from the New York Times to the blogger sitting in the next cubicle, for the same resource we are all competing for: attention. Without attention, we have no audience, and without an audience, we have no business.

If you’re publishing anything for business purposes (as opposed to hobby) – a podcast, a blog, a Twitter stream, etc. – and you’re not advertising your publication, then you will get the same results as any media outlet business that fails to advertise itself: closed doors. Be advertising constantly, via word of mouth, SEO, social media, anything you can get your hands on and that you can afford in terms of resources and you will see your audience grow.

The golden age of podcasting and of all digital marketing and media is now. The golden age is today. You’ve got more available audience than ever before. To paraphrase Toshitsugu Takamatsu, opportunity is sitting there in front of you. Only you can decide whether or not to seize it.

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