Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • Mind Readings: PR is the Secret to Winning With AI

    Mind Readings: PR is the Secret to Winning With AI

    In today’s episode, you’ll discover a powerful, yet often overlooked, strategy for boosting your success with AI: Public Relations. You’ll learn how AI models learn about businesses and why a wide-reaching online presence is critical for standing out in AI-powered recommendations. I’ll explain why traditional PR strategies need a revamp in the age of AI and why volume is now more important than prestige. Discover the PR approach that will give you a significant edge in the AI-driven world.

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    Christopher Penn: How do we influence AI models? If you care about AI understanding your business and recommending it, then your biggest investment should be in public relations. What? PR?

    This is a topic that came up recently in a discussion with my friend and colleague, Michelle Garrett. Generative AI, particularly the language models, are being used by more and more people as substitutes for search engines. They’ll go to ChatGPT and ask for recommendations, for shortlists, for suggestions. And this use case is so well known that entire companies, like Perplexity, have appeared to serve this need.

    The same is true for Google’s AI answers. Google has said, “Hey, people are using search in a different way now, we need to get on board.”

    But to be recommended, an AI model has to know who you are and what you’re about. How do they do that? By the data they’re trained on. Where does the AI model come from? And how do they know who you are? Well, how do they do that? By the data they’re trained on. Where does the AI model come from? Well, how does that data come from?

    By and large, it comes from the public web—services like the Common Crawl, which is a service that scrapes the web twice a month. That archive comprises 70 to 90% of what AI models learn from these days, depending on the model.

    Unlike search engines, though, AI models learn at a sub-word level. They pay attention to pieces of words called tokens. And critically, they pay absolutely no attention to links, and, beyond a certain baseline, they don’t even pay attention to quality. They pay attention to the volume of text.

    So, it behooves the AI-aware company to have relevant text about themselves in as many places as possible on the internet: on blogs and podcast transcripts and YouTube captions, news articles, in books and influencer channels, you name it. If—if you can be everywhere—be everywhere you can be—be like the American Express card, right? “Don’t leave home without it.” It’s everywhere you want to be.

    And who does that better than almost any other profession? Public relations. PR. The discipline excels at getting placements—getting you in places other than the channels you own.

    Now, obviously, you should be publishing your own stuff at scale, but you also need to be in lots of other places because things are picked up. So for example, when I do a guest blog post, say on Social Media Examiner, the Social Media Marketing World podcast, I see—in the—in my monitoring tool—my media monitoring tool—dozens of people making copies of that and posting summaries of it and things. I see it on LinkedIn. I do a blog post for the Content Marketing World blog—the Content Marketing Institute—that gets scraped like you wouldn’t believe. It gets me everywhere.

    So who does that really well? Public relations professionals. They can get you in places other than where you create content. But not every public relations professional is alike.

    The new strategy—the age of generative AI—is to be everywhere, not just top-tier publications. In the old days, in old PR, you’d be like, “Oh, I need to get in The Wall Street Journal, I need to get in The New York Times, my client wants to be on Good Morning America.” That’s fine. But from an AI—an AI model’s perspective, an article in The East Podunk Evening Circular is just as valuable in terms of raw text as an article in The New York Times. There’s no difference. Either one, they’re both piles of text. They’re both can be used for training data. They’re both fine.

    And from a PR perspective, it’s actually more valuable to get that placement in The East Podunk Evening Circular than The New York Times, because The New York Times has been aggressively trying to restrict AI companies from using their content. East Podunk Evening News, probably not doing that. So getting the placement in The East Podunk Evening News is actually an improvement over The New York Times, right?

    This is a total realignment of PR strategy. This turns PR strategy on its head to go from, “be in the most reputable publications,” to “be everywhere that isn’t like spam.”

    So, if a publication has any level of credibility—it’s not like some hate group’s newsletter—anything above—above that bar, you want to be in it. So your PR professional, or your PR firm, needs to recognize that strategy. It is—it is, in the early days here, AI—it is a volume play. Get in as many places as you can.

    So, some PR professionals understand this. Others do not. You obviously want to work with the ones who do understand this. And there’s a whole cadre of PR folks who think that AI is the enemy. They’re like, “Oh, we don’t use AI. No, no one should be using AI. AI is bad,” and all this stuff.

    And some of the viewpoints have validity in that if you’re—people who are using AI and not using it skillfully, create some pretty bad results. And there’s no shortage of PR pitches that I received in my own inbox where I’m like, “I can tell that was ChatGPT.” You didn’t even remove the markdown syntax from—from your pitch. You didn’t—you just copy and pasted it right out of the tool. The best is when it says, “This prompt should be” like, you don’t really know how to use those tools. But at least those folks are trying.

    There’s a whole like—there’s a whole cadre of folks who will not—will actively resist AI in any incarnation. You do not want to work with them. They will not help your business. They will not help you achieve your goals.

    And if you’re vetting a PR firm, or PR professionals to hire, you want to—you want to hire people who are avid and eager to use AI and to understand its impact on the profession, not people who are resistant. So be very careful who you hire. People who resist AI are not going to understand how the technology is going to change your business and are not going to help you achieve your goals of working in the new environment, whether or not we like it, whether or not we think it’s a good idea. We need to adapt to the way people use the technology now.

    So, my advice to companies who want to do well in generative AI models is to realign your PR strategy to focus on volume and pour as much budget as you can spare into it to be in as many places as possible, from guest articles on the local news to relevant post comments on LinkedIn. Every piece of text counts.

    And here’s the good part. Here’s the good part about this. Suppose we’re wrong. Suppose, AI companies radically change how they train models. Oh, no. Your company’s mentioned all over the internet and every place your prospects go. Oh, no. What will you do, right?

    So you will still win. If you are in trade publications and little local journals and stuff like that, even if there’s no AI benefit, because you’re where the people are.

    And if your current PR agency or firm or team does not understand this, it is time for a new one. And you will want to put this in your RFP. You want to put this in your—in your agency search criteria: “Must be avid AI enthusiasts.” Not “understands it,” but “be enthusiasts.”

    And then go check out those people. Check out the principals of different agencies, see how they’re using AI in their LinkedIn posts, their content, their blogs. There is no excuse now for a PR professional to not have a rich and robust blog because you can do it with skillful prompting. Generate tons of content with this stuff.

    So that’s my suggestion to you on this particular topic, is invest heavily in public relations with the right PR professionals, and you will do well. You will have a short-term competitive advantage over a whole bunch of people who are not there yet.

    And just as a shameless non-plug: I haven’t worked in PR in six years, and Trust Insights is a consulting firm. We’re not a PR firm. So you can’t hire us—that—if you do want to hire us, we don’t do that. So we’ll help you with the AI but not PR.

    That’s going to do it for today’s episode. Thanks for tuning in. I’ll talk to you soon. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button. Subscribe to my channel if you haven’t already. And if you want to know when new videos are available, hit the bell button to be notified as soon as new content is live.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Generative AI and Public Relations, Part 5 of 5

    You Ask, I Answer: Generative AI and Public Relations, Part 5 of 5

    In the fifth and final part of my interview with Stephanie Moore, we explore the future of AI in public relations and the crucial role of education and adaptation. You’ll gain valuable perspectives on fostering innovation, building successful partnerships between academia and the industry, and staying ahead of the rapidly evolving AI landscape. Discover the potential impact of AI on the PR job market and gain insights into the skills future PR professionals need to thrive. Watch now to prepare yourself for the exciting and transformative future of AI in public relations!

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    Christopher Penn: In today’s episode—this is the last part, part five of five, of an interview I did with Stephanie Moore of Kent State University about generative AI in public relations.

    Stephanie Moore: Okay, so, in terms of encouraging that discovery and innovation, what strategies can educators and practitioners use to foster an environment of discovery and innovation?

    Christopher Penn: Talk to your stakeholders first, the people who are in charge. Show them, “Here’s how this will save time, save money, or make money.” And if those are important to your stakeholders, they’ll go, “We want that. How much is it going to cost me? How soon can you get started?” Right? If you can get two out of three, people are on board. And then there is leadership mandate. “This is what we’re going to do. We have to do this, or we’re going to get left behind.”

    For individuals, again, how—what you—you know, the way I tell people, “Here’s how you identify an AI use case in an organization.” One of the things you do—make you go, “I know”—that’s your AI use case. If you can figure out how to get AI to make you not have to do that as much every week, you will find AI an incredible companion because you’ve, like, “Hey, you handle this product. I don’t like doing my expense reports. I don’t like doing this client report. I don’t want to write that meeting summary.” Great. Get a machine to do it.

    Stephanie Moore: Great, good advice. Any—any examples of successful partnerships or collaborative projects? And, again, I’m thinking in terms of academia and the industry. I don’t know if anything—

    Christopher Penn: Yeah. I mean, we do things like workshops and trainings frequently. I do half- and full-day workshops where we show people, and then there’s hands-on labs, like, “By the time you leave here, you will have this.” So, when I was doing a recent thing at an architecture conference, and by the time people left, they had their own go/no-go, programmatic AI application, that will let them decide—

    Christopher Penn: —that—you know—”should I even bid on this proposal or not?” They drop the proposal in, and it comes up with the score, says “yes” or “no.” You know, “Bid on this, you don’t bid on this. This—you know—it’s a good fit; it’s going to be a waste of your time.” The fact that people can get to that point in a six-hour workshop is amazing to them because they’re like, “I’m going to save so much time. I’m going to stop sending out proposals to half the companies that are no longer a good fit. My boss is going to love it,” and stuff like that.

    So, that kind of—you know—collaborative teaching is so important. People have got to get hands-on time. And there’s a whole linear progression of—you know—starting with basic prompts, prompt structure, the 22 different styles of prompting and stuff, and you just teach them all these things until—and then work—you work—walk them through use cases. “Okay, tell me what you’re working on. Let me show you how we can infuse AI into part of that, if not the whole thing.”

    Stephanie Moore: Excellent. A lot of use with podcast editing in my classes, so we’ll be playing with that.

    Christopher Penn: Oh, yeah, it’s phenomenal for podcast editing and even excerpts. You give it a—you give it a closed-caption—the SRT file—and you say, “Identify the most impactful 30 seconds in this—in this episode. Tell me the timestamps,” and then you know how to edit right there.

    Stephanie Moore: Perfect. All right. So, how do you stay current? And, or, how would you recommend—or advice you’d give—for someone to stay current on—on an industry that is moving this fast?

    Christopher Penn: It depends on your purposes and goals, right? So, I—my job—my job to stay current involves reading, like, hundreds and hundreds of articles and social posts and academic papers. And, of course, I—

    Christopher Penn: —use AI to summarize a lot of them so that I can get through them quickly. But that is because I need to know how the tools work under the hood. Most people don’t need that. So, staying current is more about joining communities of like-minded folks and sharing practices, sharing what’s working, trading stuff, to the extent that you’re permitted to.

    Stephanie Moore: Excellent. Okay. We’re breezing right through this. And then now, we have to pull out our crystal ball, which—you know—this—this is always coming. This is a question that we always ask. But, what trends—what future trends do you foresee in the intersection of AI and PR?

    Christopher Penn: Either the public relations industry adopts AI well and thoroughly, or it goes out of business because it is so good. These tools are so proficient that you look at what an agency does, for example—you know—what the work output you’re getting from an agency, and you look at what AI can do, and you’re like, “Why am I paying 20,000,30,000 a month for something that a skilled employee with Google Gemini or ChatGPT can do for—”

    Leanne Rand: —100 bucks a month.

    Stephanie Moore: But there still needs to be the human element, right? I mean, you always need to be human to—to prompt it.

    Christopher Penn: Yeah, it is. Yes, but you could do that. I foresee a lot of bringing things in-house, and a lot of agencies very much struggling to—to earn clients because the work that they do—a company will say, “Well, I can get AI to do that, and it’s going to be 70% of the quality. I’m okay with that because it’s—it’s 5% of the cost.”

    Stephanie Moore: So, how do we, as educators in academia, how do we adapt to these trends to better prepare our students for future challenges and opportunities in this area?

    Christopher Penn: They better know how to use AI. They better be very, very skilled at it. I have seen some really boneheaded things by some schools—you know—banning the use, prohibiting the use of it, like, that is so stupid. It’s like banning the use of calculators. Good luck getting your graduates hired. It is a necessary skill. And that same Work Trend Index report says that you need to use AI to prepare your students for support. Sixty-six percent of senior leaders said they would not make a hire of someone if they did not have AI skills, and 71% they would prefer a more junior person with AI skills over a more experienced person without.

    Stephanie Moore: That’s excellent. I was going to ask that question: if you’ve—if you’ve observed a shift in the type of work that the PR—or graduates are getting—as a result of AI, and that answers that.

    Christopher Penn: Here’s the biggest challenge graduates are going to face—and I need to wrap up very quickly.

    Stephanie Moore: Very soon.

    Christopher Penn: All the tasks that entry-level workers do, machines do better. And so, one of the biggest challenges that—that PR is going to face—every industry is going to face—is, how do you better prepare the entry-level workers to have jobs if there are jobs? And how are you going to deal with the staffing crisis you’re going to have in 10 years when there’s no bench for managers, directors, and VPs because those people aren’t employed by you, and they never grew up in your organization? When you trim away 80% of your entry-level staff, by definition, you’re trimming away 80% of the people who will eventually become executives.

    Stephanie Moore: Okay. Well, in the interest of time, I have one final question. Anything else that you would like to add that we haven’t covered?

    Christopher Penn: The big, uncomfortable message is for—and this is something I was having a chat with the CEO of a PR agency, literally yesterday, is he has a reputation for not being as technologically current as, maybe, it’s advertising compatriots. That has to change or the industry, as a whole, diminishes to a point where there’s not a lot of opportunity. And so, if the industry wants to thrive, it needs to get on board quickly because it is a language-based industry. And language models and language-based tools are exceptionally capable and are getting better by the day.

    Previously, two years ago, what ChatGPT came out with was kind of dumb, right? It was not the world’s smartest application. People looked at it going, “Ha-ha, AI is never gonna replace us.” Today, it is better than your average employee by a substantial margin. Not better than the best people, but there are very few best people. It is better than the average person, and there’s a lot of average people, by definition. And that is only getting better and better and better with every iteration.

    These models upgrade every four months. Are you improving your skills by leaps and bounds every four months? If you’re not, machines are going to consume more and more of the tasks that you do.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Generative AI and Public Relations, Part 4 of 5

    You Ask, I Answer: Generative AI and Public Relations, Part 4 of 5

    In part four of my five-part interview with Stephanie Moore, you’ll gain practical insights into ensuring the responsible and ethical use of AI in your public relations work. Discover the importance of fostering a company culture that prioritizes ethics and learn effective strategies for disclosing AI use to clients without fear of negative repercussions. We’ll also explore how to train your team effectively, emphasizing the value of comprehensive prompt engineering and a continuous learning approach. Tune in to learn how to confidently integrate AI into your PR workflow and elevate your team’s capabilities.

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    Christopher Penn: In this episode—this is part four of five of an interview I did with Stephanie Moore of Kent State University about generative AI in public relations.

    Stephanie Moore: Makes sense. Kind of in that vein then, what best practices do you follow to ensure the responsible and ethical use of AI? And then maybe you can talk a little bit more about how you disclose the use of AI with your clients. I know you do that because I actually see in your newsletter, you have disclaimers.

    Christopher Penn: Yes. So, “responsible use of AI” is kind of a meaningless fluff term. “Ethical use of AI,” again, that goes to—if you want AI to be used ethically, make sure that ethical people are using it. So, try to avoid hiring jerks.

    But also, your corporate culture has to be one in which you prioritize high-quality results.

    Stephanie Moore: Right.

    Christopher Penn: The ugly truth is, most agencies do not. Most agencies prioritize meeting client deadlines, getting things done as efficiently as they can because you’re working 80 hours for a 40-hour paycheck, and client demands are never-ending. And clients have—and, to some degree, understandably—they don’t care what your priorities are. They think that they are the number-one priority all the time.

    And so, if you operate in a “my-hair-is-always-on-fire” methodology, then you will make ethically questionable choices. And so, part of ethics is having leadership and client policies and things that say, “We believe in ethics. We believe in doing as little harm as possible. We believe in things like the truth, and we will enforce that with our clients.” And you empower a team member to say to the client, “Nope, you’re not going to get that today, and you’re probably not going to get it tomorrow either. Sorry.”

    Or you say, “Oh, you can have that today, but I’m going to add a $40,000 charge on your bill. Do you want to proceed? Yes or no?” And that typically helps to—do some of that.

    So, that’s how you ensure ethical anything: is giving people the ability to say no to things. If people don’t feel like they can say no, they’re not going to make ethical choices.

    In terms of the disclosure of ethics, of AI—so, there’s two things to keep in mind here. Number one, in some parts of the world, it’s required now, like the EU. You must disclose the use of AI.

    Number two, in a study from MIT Sloan last fall, they did a test. They showed content to three groups of people. The first group was just told, “You’re going to rate this content.” They were not told who made it. The second group of people was told, “You’re going to be rating this content. Some of it was made by AI. Some of it was not. You will rate it, but you know that some of it’s machine-made.” The third group of people was told, “You’re going to rate this content. Some of it’s made by AI. Some of it’s not. Each piece of content will contain a disclosure of who made it.”

    When consumers consumed the content unlabeled, they preferred AI content over human-led content. When they were told that humans were involved, they boosted human scores, but they did not penalize AI.

    And so, one of the key messages from that study is it’s okay to disclose that you’re using AI. You will not incur reputational harm from disclosing that something was machine-made.

    How you do it is pretty simple: like, “Hey, this piece here was made by AI.” And it’s important to disclose not just that you use AI but what part of the content was made by AI, or how it was used because we go back to copyright. If I have an AI-generated image on my blog post, but I wrote the human blog post, and I just say “I used AI,” the logical assumption would be that the entire post is made by AI, and therefore someone else can copy it because it’s in the public domain. And then you have to go through a whole lawsuit of trying to enforce your copyright.

    If you disclose, “The header image was made by AI, but I wrote this blog post,” you are reasserting your copyright over the portions that are human-led. And therefore, in that disclosure, if someone then copies your blog post, you retain your rights, and you can go sue them for infringing on your copyrights.

    So, disclosure is just as much about protecting you as it is helping the end consumer.

    Stephanie Moore: Great. That’s great advice. Okay. All right. Moving on. Let’s talk about some pedagogical approaches in terms of teaching AI. So, how do you train your team about how to use AI for strategies and tactics?

    Christopher Penn: The biggest thing we do is we have a shared prompt library. And we, basically, you know—it’s, obviously, very, very proprietary—but we have, essentially, a code database because prompts are code. They’re just code written in plain language. And people can pick them up, adjust them, tune them to their specific use cases, or generate new ones.

    We also teach people our methodologies. They’re on our website. You can download the PDFs for free of the basic methodology. And then there are advanced methodologies that we, obviously, keep to ourselves. But, say, “Here’s how you develop this set of outcomes based on what you wanted to do.”

    A big part of it is helping people understand the principles behind how these machines work and the structure of getting to the output you want. And my co-founder and CEO, Katie Robbert, talks about this a lot: really skillful prompting and use of AI looks an awful lot like good management of people. If you are good at giving direction and delegating and giving measurable outcomes, you will be good at prompting. You just treat it like a junior employee, and you work with it in exactly the same way.

    If you’re a bad manager of people, you’re also going to be bad at AI because you’re going to get frustrated. You’re going to give it incredibly short directions. To give you a sense, a prompt in generative AI today, in Google’s Gemini, it can be as long as 2 million tokens. Two million tokens is 1.5 million words. That is two copies of Shakespeare. Two of these can go in a prompt.

    So, these people sharing their, “My ultimate ChatGPT prompt,” that’s a paragraph long—like, no. That’s like saying, “Here’s my secret cookbook, and every recipe is one paragraph.” Yeah, you’re not cooking anything with that except your shoe leather. Whereas, if you look at a proper recipe in a cookbook, it’s at least a page, if not two pages, long.

    That’s a good benchmark for how long your prompts should be. And we tell people as part of training, if—

    Christopher Penn: —your prompts—it depends on the task—but, generally speaking, your prompts should be at least a couple of pages long. Most of my day-to-day prompts that I use are four to six pages long.

    Stephanie Moore: Great. So that’s—it reminds me of the “garbage in, garbage out,” right? More context, the better. So, um, any specific challenges that you have with people learning about AI use—

    Christopher Penn: —within our organization, it’s—it’s helping people focus and not get overwhelmed because there’s so many tools, toys and tools and gadgets and things that you can play with and stuff like that. That’s a big part, in our organization. Generally, when working and training others—because I do a lot of keynotes, I do a lot of workshops and things—is getting people to think like programmers. Getting them to think in the way that—you know—”how do you skillfully give instructions?” can be a very, very challenging thing to do. Also, getting—

    Christopher Penn: —people to overcome their resistance to trying the technology because they have, in many cases, a preformed opinion of the technology, good or bad. And if they’ve had any experience, it’s been novice-level experience, where they have not seen the use cases that make them go, “Holy crap, I want that.”

    I’ll give you an example. I was working in the PR department of one of my clients, and they’re like, “Oh, yeah, we’ve used AI a little bit, but it didn’t do such a great job.” I said, “Okay, well, let me show you this.” I—we took a blog post and fed it into a very long, programmatic prompt. And it said, “Okay, you’re going to come up with six pitch ideas for local news outlets.” And it gave a list of the news outlets and the coverage and the types of things they wanted. And it generated some great pitch ideas, like, “This is really incredible.” Like, their eyes were open, and they said, “I understand the technology because I could see the benefit.”

    I’ll give you another example. I was going to pitch this one reporter with—relatively recent. And I said, “I want to pitch this reporter.” It was to query something that they won’t have to work very hard with. But I want—

    Christopher Penn: —to, obviously, say the things I want. So, I grabbed the reporter’s last 20 articles they wrote about, and I told the generative model, “Learn this reporter’s writing style down to the letter.” And it said, “Here’s my—here’s my pitch. Rewrite my pitch in the reporter’s writing style as if the reporter wrote in it,” reformatted and stuff like that. And I said, “Here, there you go.” And the poor—is like, “This is great. I don’t have to do any editing.” Like, “No, you don’t, because the model did it for you.”

    Stephanie Moore: Wow, that’s brilliant. These are great ideas, too, for the classroom. So, thank you. All right, so I’m kind of moving on then from learning. How do you assess the effectiveness of using these tools in meeting communications goals?

    Christopher Penn: What are the goals? That’s right. Save money, make money. If you do one of those three things, you’re doing a great job.

    Stephanie Moore: Okay. And you kind of already shared examples of that. How about assessing your team’s understanding or proficiency in using AI for strategies and tactics?

    Christopher Penn: We don’t have a formal process for that. We have, on the team, as overused a term as it is, we have a continuous learning process. You know, every time someone on the team is like, “How do I do this?” we’ll talk it through and say, “Okay, here’s how you do it.” And then if the person has a good prompt or they have, “Hey, like, this prompt didn’t work to what I thought it would do,” and we troubleshoot it. We troubleshoot, you know, live, or in team meetings. We have multiple get-togethers throughout the week with folks to say, like, “How are you—you know—how are you getting on? What are you stuck on? What things do you need some additional assistance on?”

    A really good example that is, we do a lot of—you know, as everyone does—proposals and scopes of work. We have a standard proposal template. We have a standard master services agreement. And so, one of the things that I showed our sales team how to do is, like, “Here’s the call transcript from your last input call, how—here’s—you tell the model, ‘Here’s the scope template, here’s the MSA, here’s the call transcript, write scope, but,’ and—you know—there’s a list of, like, 20 rules, ‘these are the rules for this scope.’” And proposal and scope writing went from taking six to eight hours to, like, 15 minutes—15 minutes for them. From the time a sales call is—input call is done to the time the proposal is going out the door is so much shorter now. It’s great.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Generative AI and Public Relations, Part 3 of 5

    You Ask, I Answer: Generative AI and Public Relations, Part 3 of 5

    In today’s episode, we tackle the challenges and ethical dilemmas of integrating AI into public relations in part three of my five-part interview with Stephanie Moore. You’ll discover the critical importance of understanding how AI works, its limitations, and how to mitigate potential issues like hallucinations. We’ll delve into the complex world of AI ethics, exploring the nuances of legal considerations, deontology, and consequentialism, and how these concepts apply to the responsible use of AI in PR. Watch now to gain a nuanced perspective on navigating the ethical landscape of AI in the world of public relations!

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    Christopher Penn: In today’s episode—this is part three of five of an interview I did with Stephanie Moore of Kent State University about generative AI in public relations.

    Stephanie Moore: Oh, that’s great. Great examples. Okay, good. All right. So, we talked about the benefits. Now, let’s go on to the challenges and limitations. So, what are the main challenges faced by PR professionals, communications professionals, when integrating AI into practice?

    Christopher Penn: Knowing how to use the thing. Language models are good at language. Ergo, they should be handed the language tasks.

    Non-language tasks should not be handed to language models, like math. They’re not particularly good at math—and neither are PR people—but language models, in particular, they can’t count, right? Because that’s not the way the architecture under the hood works. And a lot of people—this is not just PR people, but a lot of people—do not understand the mechanics of how these, these tools actually work under the hood. And, therefore, they kind of assume that either they’re—they’re—they’re people, on the one hand, say, “It’s just autocomplete,” which is not true. Or, on the other hand, they say, “It’s mad—it’s magic,” which is also not true.

    That—that is the primary limitation and challenge that everybody—including PR professionals—faces with AI: not knowing how the technology works, not knowing what its limitations are, not knowing what a hallucination is, and how you reduce the likelihood of that happening, or which tools you use.

    There’s a great tool from Google called NotebookLM that is as close to zero hallucination as you can get because it will only read the data you provide it. So, it doesn’t know a thing. You give it data, and you say, “Tell me what’s in here.”

    So, not to get too political, but there’s this one document that people have been talking about in the US presidential election that is put out by one of these parties. It’s a 900-page document. I wanted to see what is being said in this document from the source itself, not relying on existing coverage and other people’s opinions. So, I put it in NotebookLM, and I asked it a series of questions. And I said, “What does this document say about this?” And it spits back, “On this page and this citation, right here, is what it says.” And I look at it, I go, “Wow, people weren’t—weren’t lying, like this thing is scary as hell.” But it returned truthful, cited, grounded data.

    So that’s—you know—another aspect of this there. And there are, of course, you know—one of the big issues that PR firms, particularly, need to be thinking about is, from a legal perspective, when a machine creates something, it does not have copyright. This is true in all but five countries on the planet.

    There was a case in the United States called Naruto v. Slater, in which a chimpanzee took a selfie. And the photographer went to court—it was a court case against PETA—and the court ruled, “Well, the chimp took the photo, not you. Therefore, the chimp did the work. Therefore, the chimp would technically hold the copyright, but chimps can’t hold copyright. Therefore, the photo is in the public domain because there is no copyright.”

    That ruling has been extended to anything machine-created, which is good, and it should stay that way. But knowing that means that if you’re publishing something on behalf of a client and you’ve used machines to generate it fully—meaning you didn’t derive it from an existing work—then there is no copyright on that. And if your agency claw—if your agency contract has a line in it saying you assign copyright to the client, you are technically in breach of contract because you can’t assign copyright to something that is copyrightable.

    Stephanie Moore: That is so important. Okay, good. So, we talked a little bit about the legal concerns. What are some—what are some key ethical concerns related to using AI?

    Christopher Penn: What do you define as ethics?

    Stephanie Moore: That’s a great question. Well, I suppose you can look at the codes of ethics within the field. You talked a little bit about billing, you know, in terms of—there, I’m sure that there are some ethical implications associated with that and how you bill clients if—if you use a tool such as this and then take the work and pass it off on your—as your own. I mean, those are ethical implications. So, I see a lot of different ethical concerns.

    Christopher Penn: Those are not AI ethics, though. Those are human ethics. Those are human—those are human failings. Like, if you’re lying, you’re lying. A machine can help you lie better, but you’re still lying. There are three areas here, right? So, there’s legal, right? You’re—what you’re required to do by law. In the EU, for example, they just passed the EU AI Act, which, if you’re familiar with GDPR, is probably going to be the gold standard for AI legislation around the world. There’s a bunch of provisions in that, but you have to comply with the law. There’s—there’s no getting around that.

    In ethics itself, there’s two branches of ethics, right? There’s deontology and consequentialism. Deontology says ethics is the rules of the—rules of the—rules are inherently good. If you follow the rules, you are good. If you don’t follow the rules, you are bad. Consequentialism says the rules vary based on the situation. What matters is the outcome. If you’re doing more harm than good, you’re bad. If you’re doing more good than harm, you’re good. And so, these are the two major branches.

    In AI, when it comes to the use of AI itself, all the tech companies, by default, have had to go consequentialist: let’s avoid doing harm. Partly because you can’t anticipate every possible situation, but also because deontology is inherently based in moral code.

    Christopher Penn: And so, if you are a Jew, you have a certain moral code. If you’re a Muslim, you have a certain moral code. If you’re a Buddhist, you have a certain moral code. They’re all different. Which one’s right? We’ve been fighting wars for centuries—millennia—about who’s right, and there’s no answer. So, you can’t build a general-purpose AI tool on deontological technological principles. It has to be consequentialist.

    And so, when it comes to AI ethics, then it is “how can—how can we help these models?” This is something that’s baked into every single—while be helpful, harmless, and truthful. Now, the companies, when they build these tools, they heavily weighted towards harmless because that’s what you can get sued for. Like, “Oh, this tool told me how to kill myself.” Like, “Okay, let’s—say it doesn’t—we’re gonna say it won’t allow you to do that.” So, it will sacrifice helpful, and it will sacrifice truthful to be harmless. If harmless is off the table, it will prioritize helpful over truthful. That’s how you get hallucinations.

    Hallucinations are, essentially, when—if you think about the models, knowledge is a library. Some models are really big, really big libraries; some models are really small libraries. And the model tries to go into the library and pull a book off the shelf that answers your question—wants to be helpful—but it may not have the exact book you’re looking for. So, you say, “I want The Joy of Cooking.” The model goes into the library, says, “Don’t see that. I’ll grab the closest one here. This is The Joy of Sex. That’s what you wanted, right?” Like, “No, they’re not the same at all.” “Well, it’s close. It’s close.” That’s how hallucinations happen.

    And so, helpful, harmless, truthful is a general good rubric for consequentialism, but it has tradeoffs. And those tradeoffs are it’s going to be harmless first, it’s going to be helpful next, and it’ll be truthful last.

    That, obviously, has bigger implications on things like the media landscape because “truthful,” depending on your political persuasion, may or may not be really important, right? Depending on whether you get paid as a journalist on page views and clicks. We have a capitalist ecosystem that prioritizes performance. And so, as a journalist, you will say things that may—depending on your publication and your own personal ethics—may or may not be true, just so that you can get a paycheck. Again, these are not AI problems. These are human problems.

    However, AI is an amplifier. This is—I’m going to paraphrase from Captain America—it takes the good and makes it great. It takes the bad and makes it worse. It makes everything more of itself. It’s like salt, right? You put it on a food, makes it taste more like the food. And as a result, if you are—if you—if AI is in the hands of someone who is ethically problematic, it’s going to make them worse.

    Stephanie Moore: It makes sense.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Generative AI and Public Relations, Part 2 of 5

    You Ask, I Answer: Generative AI and Public Relations, Part 2 of 5

    In today’s episode, you’ll continue the exploration of generative AI in public relations with part two of my five-part interview with Stephanie Moore. You’ll discover the significant benefits of incorporating AI into your PR workflow, including how it can drastically save time and even unlock new revenue streams. Learn practical examples of how AI can elevate your PR game and gain insights on using AI for data analysis and audience targeting. Watch now to equip yourself with the knowledge to stay ahead in the evolving world of PR!

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    Christopher Penn: In this episode—this is part two of five of an interview I did with Stephanie Moore of Kent State University about generative AI in public relations.

    Stephanie Moore: Excellent. So, how has the incorporation of AI tools affected the risk, the roles, and the responsibilities of your team members?

    Christopher Penn: At our firm, everyone is expected to use AI. Everyone is expected to find as many efficiencies as possible and be as productive as possible because our model is value-based. The way we build things, the way we do projects, and things is all value-based because you’re not paying for how long it takes me to do something—you’re paying for the final outcome. As a result, we want people to use AI as much as they possibly can, still fact-check it, still make sure that the output is good. In the same way, the way we think of AI is this: it is the world’s smartest intern.

    Right? This intern just graduated. They have 255 PhDs—they’ve got a PhD in everything—but they’re still an intern. They still don’t know your company. They don’t know your clients. They still know how you do things. So, you would never say to an intern, “Oh, intern, hey, go write me a press release.” Never do that. You would give the intern a creative brief, say, “Here’s what I want you to do. Follow these steps exactly.” The intern does it great. You’ve got a high-quality output. The same thing is true for AI. If you think of it as the world’s smartest intern, you will get really great results out of it. That’s what we teach our staff.

    Stephanie Moore: That’s awesome. So you kind of already got at this a little bit, but in terms of the benefits, what do you think are the most significant benefits of using AI in the field?

    Christopher Penn: So, all technologies are measured on three factors: save time, save money, make money. AI saves enormous amounts of time. So, the difference between a 66-hour book pitch or one minute and 52-second book pitch—and the outputs are about the same quality—is a massive time savings. Most PR agencies—this is actually a very serious problem for many PR agencies—most PR agencies bill by the hour. They have an agency blended rate, like, our agency blender, it’s 182 an hour. Well, Gemini did the task in5 and 66 minutes of work. It’s $5.66 of work. So, your bill rate as an agency, your ability to make revenue if you’re billing by the hour is severely endangered by AI.

    You must switch to value-based billing immediately. However—yeah—for companies that do figure that out, they can save money. Some of them will be very regressive and say, “Okay, let’s fire as many people as we possibly can.” PR firms that are, say, managed by—oh, I don’t know—private equity firms will be firing people as fast as they possibly can because that’s how you increase profit margins, and all those firms run on net margin.

    And then “make money” is—this is the thing that, again, PR folks don’t realize the power of these tools. They are—the AI tools—are skill levelers, meaning that they give you skills you don’t have. So, Suno, for example, the audio company, can make songs—it can make halfway decent songs. I have made custom songs for clients, live on stage, and they’ve been stunned by it. I can’t play music. I don’t play any instruments. You don’t want to hear me sing.

    The tool can do it. I know how to prompt the tool to create high-quality outputs. So, anything that is within the domain of communications at all is on the table for a skillful PR firm to say, “Well, we offer that too. Hey, you want analyst relations? Hey, we offer that too, because we have an AI model that can skillfully ingest all these things. Hey, you want corporate strategy? We have that too.”

    I was showing an example earlier today to—a talk I was giving where I took all of the job listings of Novartis, the pharmaceutical company, and all the job listings of Pfizer. And I said to a language model, “Digest this down—there’s 4,000 job listings—tell me the corporate strategy for each of these companies for the next 12 to 18 months,” because you never hire for something you don’t care about. You only hire things that are critical to your mission. Otherwise, you find an agency or a contractor. And the tool put together a 20-page business strategic business analysis that is as good of quality as

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    anything you would get out of McKinsey or Bain. And your firm could offer that. Your firm could offer that as a value-add to your services. So, it’s a question of, do you know what to ask the tools? Do you know how to think, not like a PR person, but like a communicator and a strategist? And then can you get the tools to do it?

    Stephanie Moore: Love that. I think that’s great. That also gives me some ideas for—again—prompt engineering to teach our students. So—a little bit. So, you kind of talked about the effectiveness and the efficiency, sort of, in the public relations field. What about—what type of advantages does AI offer in terms of data analytics, or data analysis and audience targeting?

    Christopher Penn: It depends on the kind of AI you’re talking about. There are three different classes. There’s regression-based AI, which is like, hey, do uplift modeling. This is, for example, how you measure public relations. You say, “I have all this background activity in, ads, running emails, and I have the data from that in my various marketing systems. And hey, we got a placement in The Wall Street Journal on this date, and we know these things have a decay rating of about three days. Do uplift modeling, find out how much of the delta between what was before, during, and after we can attribute to that accounting for everything else.” So, that’s a very—that form of modeling has been around for eight years now. We were doing that at my old shop.

    This classification modeling, which is, “Hey, I’ve got a great big pile of data, and I need to organize—I need to analyze it.” Social media sentiment analysis, for example, is very, very common for that. That is something that you would want to see people using when it comes to data analysis.

    Where generative AI comes into play is that it is extremely good at qualitative processing of text if you have a big pile of unstructured text that you need to analyze and understand. These are the best tools to do it.

    Real simple example: I was doing a project for a client two days ago, and this client—a fairly well-known client—I said, “Let me go see what the community has to say.” I went over to the Reddit forum that is about that particular industry. I downloaded 2,000 posts and, like, 4,000 comments about this thing, stuffed it into Google’s Gemini, and said, “Distill out the top-line trends and then the emerging trends in what people are saying about this client.” And it spit out the analysis. Handed it to the client. The client’s like, “That’s uncomfortable.”

    I said, “Yep, sure is. But that’s what’s happening in the data.” Now, how long would it have taken me to read 6,000 posts and comments? Certainly, it would not have taken me 90 seconds. That’s how long it took Gemini to process all that and then another two minutes to do the analysis the way I wanted it.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Generative AI and Public Relations, Part 1 of 5

    You Ask, I Answer: Generative AI and Public Relations, Part 1 of 5

    In today’s episode, you’ll delve into the fascinating world of generative AI and its impact on public relations with part one of my five-part interview with Stephanie Moore of Kent State University. You’ll gain valuable insights into the current state of AI adoption in the PR industry and uncover the driving forces and challenges shaping its implementation. Discover the potential of AI to revolutionize PR tasks, boosting productivity and efficiency in ways you might not have imagined. Tune in to explore the transformative power of AI in the realm of public relations!

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    In today’s episode, this is part one of five of an interview I did with Stephanie Moore of Kent State University about generative AI and public relations.

    We’ll go ahead and pick off the questions. So, talking a little bit more about the use of AI in practice. Sort of — I know you’re not in public relations anymore — but how would you describe the level of AI adoption in the field of PR peer practice?

    So, I can’t speak to that personally. However, I can tell you that in the 2024 Work Trend Index report from Microsoft, they cited that of knowledge workers, 75% of employees are currently using generative AI tools in the workforce with or without their employer’s permission.

    And a lot of that time, when it’s without permission, they’re using free tools. However, on the employer side, only 7% to 8% of companies have a coherent policy around the use of AI. So, what you end up with is you have a lot of people who are using AI that may not be doing so safely in terms of data privacy.

    We do work with other PR firms, and I would say AI usage there, it varies wildly from firm to firm. So, this is one B2B firm, where out of their staff of 15, 12 use AI and three don’t. And there’s another — mostly B2C firm — they have a staff of about, I think, 10 or 15. One out of 15 uses AI; the others are philosophically opposed to it and think it’s the devil. So, it varies wildly.

    Okay, great. I love all those stats. So, what factors — regarding adoption — what factors do you believe are either driving it or hindering the adoption?

    On the driving side, it’s all about productivity: can you get things done faster? A lot of firms are — and this was true, even in my PR days — you bill for 40 hours, and you work 80. Right? People — like, I — prefer to still bill 40 hours but actually work 40 instead of 80. And then there’s obviously a lot of appeal.

    There’s also a lot of tasks that, frankly, machines should be doing. For example, something as simple as call summaries to a client. There’s no reason for a human to be doing that anymore. That’s just a waste of time.

    Things like summarization of news coverage, there’s no reason for a human to be doing that anymore. That is — that should strictly be a machine-only task.

    On the opposition side, there is a significant and warranted fear among PR people — the ones I’m thinking of — that the machines are just going to take their jobs, which is one aspect. Or they believe that the existence of AI itself is a violation of people’s intellectual property rights. Therefore, they feel like they shouldn’t — they’re ethically opposed to it. And there’s — there’s some debate about that. It is not settled in law as to whether that’s the case yet.

    Great. You kind of talked a little bit about the tasks. Any other tasks that you feel AI automates the most — most effectively?

    So, well, this gets into an interesting question: this is what PR people use AI for today. What you can do with it is far more than what people are doing with it today. For example, there’s a — there’s a discipline that I use called programmatic prompting, where you essentially write software in plain language. I was doing a demo of this the other day where, in — I use Google Gemini, but you can use any of the large models — I said, “Okay, you’re going to — here’s my new book. Come up with five pitch ideas. Then you’re going to evaluate those pitch ideas against the scoring rubric of — feel — what constitutes a good PR pitch. You’ve got to choose two winners out of the five. Then you’re going to choose two variations of each winner, rescore them, and give me the winning PR pitch for my new book that I would want you to go pitch at an agency.” This is probably 60 hours of work, getting people to read the book, brainstorm, meet, and so on and so forth. Gemini does it in one minute, 52 seconds.

    Oh my gosh, that’s crazy. That does — that gives you some perspective there.

    All right, so talking a little bit about those tools — I always am interested in the tools. I know the tools change, and they will change, and it’s hard to teach the tools in the classroom. But, I am curious, which tools or applications — which AI tools or applications do you find most relevant — and I’m specifically looking for PR, but, in your area — and then why?

    If you are skillful at prompt writing, prompt engineering, you can accomplish 85% to 90% of tasks with a foundation model. A foundation model is a large model that is — general in purpose. ChatGPT is an example of a tool with a general model behind it. Google’s Gemini is an example, Microsoft Copilot, Anthropic Claude, and then Meta’s Llama model — the newly released one — all five of those can tackle pretty much any general language task and certainly any task within public relations.

    Sometimes you will have to provide data. So, for example, if you are a B2B — you have a PR firm and you’ve got a client that works in a very specific type of industrial chemical — you will probably need to provide some background data for tasks around that client. But, in general, PR people do their work in language. It’s a language-based profession. Language models excel at language, and therefore, any tasks that a PR person does, a language model can also do with skillful prompting.

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  • Mind Readings: The Role of PR in the Age of AI

    Mind Readings: The Role of PR in the Age of AI

    In today’s episode, we explore the evolving role of PR in the age of AI. Discover how generative AI is transforming attention management and why influencing machines is becoming just as important as influencing people. You’ll learn practical strategies to optimize your PR efforts for AI, including leveraging content syndication, embracing diverse content opportunities, and understanding the power of omnipresence in the digital landscape. Get ready to elevate your PR game and harness the power of AI for your brand!

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    Christopher Penn: In the age of generative AI, PR folks have been talking about the future of PR for a long time. My old friend Todd Defren used to say that the role of a smart PR strategist in public relations is to understand what it is that public relations does and then to innovate on that.

    So, what does public relations do? Like the name would suggest, it’s how you as a company, your brand, or your stakeholders relate to the public. Now, in the past, this has largely been media relations—things like getting your spokespeople on The Oprah Winfrey Show or Good Morning America, getting a placement in The New York Times. But then, when the internet happened, the digital age happened, that meant getting your brand in front of influencers, on popular YouTube channels, or in any of the places where people pay attention.

    Public relations really is about attention management. How do we get attention for whatever it is that we have, from wherever it is? If you think about attention being a commodity—think about the expression “we pay attention,” we pay attention, we have attention, we pay it to different things—public relations has always been about where that attention is and how we get someone to pay some of that to us, whether it is the broadcast journalist, the newspaper person, the YouTube influencer, whoever it is.

    Well, there’s a new party in the mix. There’s always been people, obviously, who have been paying attention, but the new party is artificial intelligence, particularly generative AI, and how it recommends things to the public. There is an intermediary between the public’s attention and us and our customers or our business. How do we relate to that intermediary? How do we get that intermediary to recommend us?

    A big part of understanding this is understanding how generative AI works. How does this tool recommend things? When you ask a tool like ChatGPT or Google Gemini or Anthropic Claude, “Hey, recommend some AI consulting firms,” if I have a really good body of work online, there should be a lot of text on the internet about me. And in turn, that means that when these models train from this data and learn from this data, they would associate my company, my brand, or whatever, with that search term or that discussion topic. It’s not really search; it’s more discussion.

    And so, a few folks have coined terms like “AI optimization” or “AI engine optimization” or things like that, which is fine, but public relations really is one of the drivers of that. For example, if I get a piece of content placed with a popular website, like MarTech.org, for example, there’s a lot of syndication, a lot of people copy them—sometimes with permission, sometimes without. All those copies also end up in generative AI models because they all train on this corpus called Common Crawl, commoncrawl.org. And in Common Crawl, you have pretty much the public internet. So, the more your content is shared and published in more and different places, the more likely it is that a model is going to train on it. And the more times it sees your name, the better. This is why it’s a good idea to get into publications that have a lot of syndication.

    So, one of the things that a good PR firm or a good PR practitioner would know to do is look at how much distribution any one piece of content gets on an outlet-by-outlet basis. How many times has somebody copied a Content Marketing Institute article? How many times does somebody copy Christopher Penn’s blog? You could say like, “Yeah, this outlet may not have the biggest audience, but boy, does it get a lot of syndication. And as a result, from the purposes and intent of getting machines to ingest that and associate it, it’s a really good outlet.”

    So, that’s an interesting and new twist on how recommendations happen. With generative AI, we are looking for opportunities to get machines to ingest our stuff and doing it as many places as possible.

    What does that strategy look like?

    Part of it is research. Part of it is understanding which outlets get the most distribution, and there are tools out there that can help identify that. One of my favorites is Talkwalker. Talkwalker has the ability to look at how things spread on the internet. You give it a URL, and it can say, “Here’s where this was shared,” and you can see this sort of almost a chain of evidence, which is a pretty cool visualization. So that’s one of the many, many tools out there that a good PR practitioner, a good PR agency knows—who the big spreaders are. And then, you can get very focused in your program on getting your content into those places.

    Another aspect or angle of this is to say yes to everything. Say yes to everything that you possibly can. Hey, someone wants you to be a guest on their podcast? As long as they put a transcript up and maybe it goes up on YouTube, great, say yes to it. Even if it has two listeners, who cares? Because we’re not talking about influencing humans, we’re talking about influencing machine models. Say yes to guest blog posts where you blog on someone else’s blog. Say yes to contributed content. Say yes to speaking on a webinar or being on someone’s livestream or hanging out on Twitch or whatever. Any place where you can generate text and multimedia is a good thing.

    I was recently doing some transcription of episodes like this, and I noticed something funny started happening. It was starting to put my name at the front of the transcript, to say “Christopher Penn:” and show “Transcript by” my name to the TrainEyes Whisper model. I don’t supply my name to that; I just give it the raw audio. So, why is it putting my name in there? Because of the way that I speak, and the type of language I use, is distinct enough that the language model that Whisper is using recognizes it and puts my name in it. Where did it get that from? It’s keeping millions of hours of YouTube videos, including most of my channel. I have a huge body of work on YouTube, and as a result, when a model maker came by and scraped all of that, it discovered the association of my closed captions with my voice. And now, the model kind of recognizes me with or without my effort, which is kind of creepy when you think about it, but at the same time, also free advertising. If there are other people who sound like me, it’s probably going to put my name in their transcripts. So, I’ve done a good job, by having a lot of content out online, of influencing that model.

    So, be everywhere, make as much stuff as you can. Hire a good PR agency or a good PR team to make as much stuff as you can. It doesn’t have to be purely prize-winning, it just has to be readable and valuable enough that if a human does stumble across it, they’re not going to be like, “Ugh, this is insulting.” But make as much stuff as you possibly can and get it out on the public internet as quickly as you can, so that when model makers train their models—like Meta just released their LLaMA 3 model, and it was up through the data to November 2023—if your stuff wasn’t out on the web by then, it’s not in LLaMA 3. If it is, if your stuff was out on the web, LLaMA 3 knows about it, at least to some degree.

    So that’s what PR looks like in the age of generative AI. You have a new stakeholder, and that stakeholder is the language models themselves.

    Thanks for tuning in. We’ll talk to you next time. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button, subscribe to my channel if you haven’t already, and if you want to know when new videos are available, hit the bell button to be notified as soon as new content is live.

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  • Mind Readings: Flip Your PR Strategy in the Age of Generative AI

    Mind Readings: Flip Your PR Strategy in the Age of Generative AI

    In today’s episode, I explain how PR strategy must change for AI systems. Language models build knowledge from massive text sources. To influence them, get your content on as many sites as possible. Tune in to learn why guest blogging everywhere now boosts your brand.

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    In today’s episode, let’s talk about public relations strategy in the age of generative AI.

    traditional PR strategy kind of goes like this.

    Let’s go out and tell the world that we’ve got this thing a product services, our company etc.

    Awesome.

    And we want to go after reputable publications, we want to get into top tier publications, tier one publications is what PR folks likes to call them.

    The New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the CNN, and gadget publications with lots of readers, lots of attention, lots of audience, good reputations, well known, etc.

    And this strategy is a good strategy for traditional public relations.

    It makes a lot of sense that if you get your company into the Wall Street Journal, lots of people read it, lots of people read it, lots of people will be influenced by it to some degree, and it helps your company.

    That is not how AI works.

    And this is why your PR strategy in the age of generative AI has to kind of be flipped on its head.

    There’s nothing wrong with pursuing the New York Times, right? There’s nothing wrong pursuing a sausage humans daily, you know, or the daily Telegraph or the Sydney Morning Herald doesn’t matter.

    There’s nothing wrong with those publications.

    And if you can get in them, great.

    You’ve done a good job.

    You have passed by the sort of editorial gatekeepers to be seen and be perceived as valuable by those companies.

    Good job.

    If you look at how language models know what they know the models that power tools like chat GPT, they are powered by very large bodies of text.

    There’s a service run by a nonprofit called common crawl, common crawl just goes out and scrapes the web like the whole thing.

    Each of their data sets around like six petabytes of data, which is like 6000 MacBook Pros in terms of the amount of disk space we’re talking about.

    So it’s there’s a big, big, big data sets.

    And what AI companies do is they ingest all that text data, and they start building statistical representations of language.

    So when you ask a language model, who are some influencers in b2b marketing, it goes and creates this is a dramatic oversimplification, but basically goes and creates big word clouds of all the words it’s seen around each of the words in your prompt, and the way those word clouds intersect, b2b marketing influencers, those intersecting words are what it uses to essentially spit up its response.

    That means that a story in the New York Times, and a story on Chris’s blog, have the same general weight, one is not more important than the other.

    A front page story on CNN, and a piece on Chris’s Tumblr.

    From a mathematical perspective, they’re the same thing.

    So what that means is this.

    If you want to influence a topic within a language model within its knowledge base, you have to have a lot of text on the internet that associates you with the topics that you care about.

    That in turn means you need to be in a lot of places.

    But contrary to normal public relations, those places don’t have to be tier one publications.

    The East Peoria Evening News, the Metro West Daily News, some guy’s podcast show notes, right? As long as it’s all publicly available, and it’s not absolute garbage.

    It stands a good chance of getting itself into a language model.

    And so this strategy now means it is worth your time to be in the local newspaper, it is worth your time to be a guest on that podcast is worth your time to guest blog on someone’s blog has two readers.

    As long as one of the readers is the companies that are making AI models.

    Right? That’s how this is so different than years past.

    In years past, who has more eyeballs matters more.

    Today, it’s more about if you’re if you’re trying to get your company’s reputation and awareness and brand into a language model, you’ve got to have more of you.

    So your strategy has to be things like, yeah, say yes to every podcast.

    Say yes to every interview, say yes to as long as it’s on the web in a publicly accessible place, say yes to it.

    Because you need to be everywhere and you need to be providing a lot of information.

    This is one of the reasons I think things like being guests on podcasts is a really good idea because it’s not just a quick mention like usually happens on TV news, right? And Christopher Penn from Trust Insights is here to deliver 30 seconds of insight about something that really should take four hours to talk about.

    That’s your typical evening news show, right? If you get on a podcast where Yeah, you just riff and chat for two hours, then they post the two hour transcript.

    That’s a lot of text, right? And that goes on the web and gets indexed and found and processed by all these companies.

    And so you there’s just more about you.

    And then when these, these AI model makers crawl the web the next time, they are well, they just download the next episode of common crawl and put it into their databases.

    Now you’re in there in a lot of places with a lot of text around you.

    So it really is a volume play.

    And that changes your pitching strategy.

    If you’re a public relations firm, or your public relations professional, it changes your pitching strategy from off, we got a, you know, pitch really hard to try and get into this, this tier one publication to, hey, I wonder if this guy’s YouTube channel of five viewers would take us.

    That’s not a bad thing.

    In the age of machine learning in the age of generative AI, that is not a bad thing.

    Now, is it worth your time to do so that’s a trade off, but at least knowing that the text is out there is important.

    So who should you be looking for? If you want to change your PR strategy, you should be looking specifically for podcasts that post transcripts, you should be looking for shows that post on YouTube with closed captions files goes closed caption files are really important.

    You should be looking at guest blog posts pretty much anywhere you can get them, including places like Tumblr, or WordPress.org, or someone’s sub stack, and as long as it’s publicly available, it’s not paywalled.

    Be everywhere, be everywhere you can be so that the next time these models pull up all this text, there’ll be more of you in that massive mix around your topic around your area of focus and specialty, and a better chance that when someone asks the generic information query, who’s influential in insert your company here, or your industry there, you will be within the results.

    Different PR strategies in years past, but an essential one.

    If you want to influence language models, and generative AI, at least in the short term.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Impressions as a PR Measurement?

    You Ask, I Answer: Impressions as a PR Measurement?

    Meredith asks, “What are the current industry thoughts on using impressions as a metric to measure PR?”

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    In today’s episode, Meredith asks, “What are the current industry thoughts on using impressions as a metric to measure PR?” Met impressions are like followers on Twitter or website traffic; they’re a leading indicator at the top of the funnel. If you have zero impressions, then nothing else can happen. For example, if you have zero website visitors, the downstream efforts don’t matter because you have zero traffic. If you have zero followers on Twitter, it’s difficult to demonstrate any other value.

    Impressions are a starting point and a leading indicator that hints at the performance of other things. However, the challenge with public relations metrics is that they are inherently top of funnel metrics. While they have an impact throughout the funnel, PR’s primary remit is to generate awareness, trust, and interest. Impressions are just the beginning.

    To determine the mathematical relationship between the impressions you create and something further down the funnel, such as leads generated or shopping cart started, you should run a sophisticated mathematical analysis called multiple regression analysis. If there is no correlation between impressions and form fills, then your PR efforts are not working, or that metric is not valid.

    If you get no impressions, you won’t get much of anything else from PR. It has to be used as part of an overall measurement strategy that looks at all the PR metrics and then correlates them with outcomes that stakeholders care about, like something that has a direct line of sight to revenue.

    You should blend impressions with another set of metrics like branded organic search, which is the number of times people search for your products, services, company, or stakeholders by name. If you create lots of impressions in your coverage, but nobody thinks to Google your company, you’ve probably done something wrong. You’re getting press or coverage for things that don’t matter. The goal is to create mindshare, and that mindshare translates into branded organic search, which leads to website visitors, engagements, form fills, and so on.

    Impressions should never be the outcome of a campaign or the final result on which you hang your hat. Instead, they should be part of the measurement package that shows the various PR metrics and how they correlate to results that stakeholders care about. The outcomes and effects of public relations are measurable and trackable, but it requires a lot of math. To prove the value of PR, you must use a lot of math, which is not always something that PR professionals enjoy doing.

    In conclusion, impressions are a critical starting point that hints towards the performance of other things, but they need to be used as part of an overall measurement strategy that correlates them with outcomes that stakeholders care about. Although the outcomes and effects of public relations are measurable and trackable, they require a lot of math to prove their value.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: PR’s Value to Non-PR Stakeholders?

    You Ask, I Answer: PR's Value to Non-PR Stakeholders?

    Del asks, “Which metric will be most important to communicate PR’s value to a non-PR audience?”

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    In today’s question, Dell asks, “Which metric is most important to communicate PR’s value to a non-PR audience? What result do you create? What outcome does PR generate?” If you don’t know the answer to that, then the metric doesn’t matter, right? Generally speaking, public relations (PR) has two primary outcomes: awareness and trust. If you do it well, you should be creating awareness of your company, products, or services, or whatever it is you’re promoting, and you should be increasing the public’s trust in that through the use of credible third parties. For example, if you want a full page of copy in The New York Times, you can do that by buying a full-page ad, but if you want something credible as a third-party endorsement, then you have to work for that editorial. Not just by the ad, you can always buy the ad, but generally speaking, consumers don’t find ads to be credible.

    So the question then is, how do you measure awareness and trust? Trust is measurable mainly through market research, asking consumers things like an NPS question. For example, “What is your intent to recommend Left-handed Smoke Shifters Incorporated to a family or friend in the next 90 days?” If the answer is always “never,” you know you have a trust problem. But if people are just unwilling to recommend you to family and friends, that’s a problem too. The same goes for asking a question like “What is your intent to purchase from Left-handed Smoke Shifters Incorporated in the next 90 days?” If everyone says “no intent to purchase,” then you know you have a problem, and your PR strategy is not working if those numbers are persistently low.

    In terms of awareness, unaided recall is the gold standard for brand awareness. So again, market research going out to the market to your target consumers and asking them to name three brands of coffee. And if you’re a coffee shop and your brand is not one of those three, you know you’re not generating measurable awareness. There are some proxy metrics that you can use, like social media data to some degree, but social media data tends to have a lot of problems, and the better source of data as a proxy is organic search, particularly branded organic search. How many people search for your brand name by name every month? For example, how many people search for Trust Insights every month? If the answer is zero, then you know you have an awareness problem because people don’t know to ask for you by name. Branded organic search is one of the most important and overlooked metrics in public relations. It’s something that people don’t spend enough time on.

    But unaided brand recall is one of the best measures of PR, advertising, or anything where you want to know, “Do people know us? Have people heard of us?” One of the challenges you’ll run into is that, particularly for larger companies, you will have a lot of conflated data. There may be a major PR campaign occurring at the same time as an ad campaign, at the same time as an email marketing campaign, at the same time as a social media campaign. So one of the things you’ll have to do is some fairly sophisticated statistics, something called uplift modeling, that will allow you to say, “Let’s take out all the business as usual stuff, things that would have happened anyway, let’s take out, to the extent we can, other channels that are not PR, and then look at what’s left in the data. And if we still see a bump, even after you’ve taken away all the other stuff, then you know that bump is the impact that public relations had.” But uplift modeling requires you to have lots of data in good condition to be able to understand what happened with a PR campaign.

    That said, if numbers like branded organic search or unaided recall are zero, then you know for sure that PR isn’t working and isn’t providing any value. So those would be the places to start when measuring PR and communicating its value, which is very challenging because in a lot of cases, you have to do some fairly sophisticated mathematics. Most public relations professionals, not all but most, are not mathematically inclined to things like advanced statistics, linear algebra, and calculus, which are tools you need to do that kind of mathematics. But that’s how you prove the value of PR, particularly to a non-PR audience, using uplift models to say, “Yes, we increased brand awareness by X percent, which should yield X amount of revenue.” That’s going to be music to a CFO’s ears, but you have to work really hard to get to that point in your data.

    So, it’s a good question, a challenging question, but worth pursuing. If you liked this video, go ahead and hit that subscribe button.

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