In today’s episode, Shara asks for good ChatGPT prompts beyond “optimize for SEO.” I explain treating it like an intern – give step-by-step instructions, not vague directives. Share key concepts, outline requirements, provide research sources. Tune in for actionable tips on crafting effective prompts for generative AI.
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In today’s episode, Shara asks, I often use chat GPT for copy on my website.
Are there any good prompts to use besides optimized content for SEO? Okay.
That is not the best prompt to use for, for using chat GPT to optimize for SEO or anything.
What you want to think about prompting it to do is think about these tools like they’re the world’s smartest intern.
If you had an, a brand new intern day one at the company and you sit them down at your desk and give them the coffee and stuff like that, would you hand them a blog post or a page and say, Hey, optimize this content for SEO.
Would you do that? I sure hope not.
I sure hope not because you’re going to get not great results.
Right.
You’re going to get terrible results because the intern’s going to be like, I don’t know what SEO is, I don’t know what your website’s about.
I can wing it and hope it turns out well.
And it’s not going to turn out well.
Instead, if you had the world’s smartest intern and they sat down day one on the job and you hand them a piece of content and you said, Hey, use this piece of content, I want you to expand on it.
I want you to use the phrase industrial concrete more frequently.
I want you to use a thesaurus and do some research on Wikipedia on what other things co relate with industrial concrete.
I want you to look up maybe five interesting facts about industrial concrete.
I want you to be able to answer the question in the text.
What happens if you’re laying concrete and it rains for several days? Side note.
That’s a good thing.
It helps the concrete cure faster.
And I want you to write in professional tone of voice.
I want it to be 1500 words.
I want you to avoid adverbs.
I want you to avoid passive voice.
Go.
Would that get you a better result from the intern than say, Hey, here’s some content optimizer for SEO.
Of course it would.
You get so much better results from that long set of directions that you gave the intern because they would have more of an idea of what to do.
That is what an artificial intelligence model is.
A generative AI model is a smart intern on day one of the job every day.
Every time you turn it on, every time you hit the new chat button, it is day one on the job and you have to tell that intern how to do their job.
That’s one of the reasons why in all the trainings and keynotes and workshops I give, I tell people keep a, keep a prompt library, keep a journal of prompts so that every time you have to re prompt the intern to tell them who they are and what their job is, you don’t have to rewrite it from scratch.
Every time you can copy and paste the two paragraphs say, Hey, intern, here’s who you are.
Here’s what you’re doing.
Here’s the key concepts and so on and so forth.
That would be my suggestion.
My friend Andy Crestodina has a great gap analysis SEO prompt.
He will say, Hey, based on what you know about industrial concrete and all the keywords that go with it and stuff, here is my content about industrial concrete.
Tell me what I’m missing that would be of interest to my buyer persona.
And he provides the buyer persona as well.
And the tools will do exactly that.
They’ll say, okay, I’ve got your content.
I’ve got your buyer persona.
Let me see based on what I know, what the buyer persona would probably be interested in is that in your content or not.
And that gap analysis is so powerful for making your content more useful because if the tool can identify most pages about industrial concrete talk about curing and yours does not, you probably want to have that on there.
You probably want to have a whole paragraph about how industrial concrete is cured and how it can be ready for service in a certain amount of time and what the structural integrity of it and what that the tensile force load is on it all these things that go into content about concrete you would provide you provide to the intern, you would tell them here’s what to do.
And that gap analysis is incredibly powerful for SEO because it satisfies user intent.
And because semantically it will have more of the words and phrases that a service like Google would expect to see on a page about industrial concrete.
If you had a page on on espresso, what words and phrases would you expect to see on that page? Google’s looking, Google’s looking for lattes and cappuccinos and mochachinos and all that stuff.
And if those words aren’t there then in its computations for how it determines things like trustworthiness or expertise, if those words are missing, there’s a chance that it’s going to say, hey, you know what, you don’t seem to be particularly expert about this because you’re missing a whole bunch of words that should be there.
If you use Andy’s trick for gap analysis, you will at least not make those mistakes.
At least you will at least not have those persistent gaps in your content.
So that is the answer for today.
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In today’s episode, Kim asks if using ChatGPT for content hurts SEO. I explain it’s just a tool – good prompts make it effective, bad prompts make it useless. Invest time learning to prompt properly and AI can improve quality and speed. Tune in to get actionable advice on leveraging AI as a content creation asset.
You Ask, I Answer: ChatGPT Negatively Affecting SEO?
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In today’s episode, Kim asks, if bandwidth is an issue, can you use chat GPT to help write blog like content or will this affect SEO negatively? What you write in chat GPT isn’t going to affect SEO one way or the other.
Inherently intrinsically as a tool, right? It’s like, will using Microsoft Word affect SEO? Not really.
It’s a tool.
What will affect your SEO is writing crap content, right? If you are, if bandwidth and time is an issue, there’s a good chance that what the machine will produce will be better because it’s simply faster.
And if it takes you eight hours to write a blog post and you rush and you get done in four, the quality of your writing in that four hours is probably going to be lower.
If on the other hand, you have that same four hour time window, and you have chat GPT to do the first draft in five minutes, then that leaves you much more time to edit it to refine it to ask it to rewrite parts of it to enhance it, etc.
chat GPT and all the generative AI tools are literally just that they’re just tools.
They are very good tools.
They are highly capable tools, but they are still just tools.
And as a result, if we treat them like magic oracles, some kind we’re going to get bad results, we’re going to get results that we’re not satisfied with.
If we treat them as tools, like a word processor, and we learn what they can and can’t do well, we’re going to get better results, we’re going to get more coherent results, more thorough results, and of course, faster results.
The question you have to ask yourself is how much time are you willing to invest learning how to work with generative AI tools like chat GPT so that you generate really good results.
A lot of people take this approach of thinking that chat GPT and tools like it can read your mind you type in, write a blog post about B2B marketing.
That’s going to do you no good.
Statistically, the model is going to look at the most frequently associated co-occurring terms with that and you’re going to get a blog post that is bland, that’s generic, that says nothing that has no point of view, that is terrible content.
And that’s not the tools part.
The tool is not a mind reader.
The tool is a bit like the the old mythological genie in a lamp that grants you wishes.
You have to be real careful what you ask for because you will get what you ask for, even if it’s not what you want.
Because what we ask for and what we want tend to be different things sometimes.
So treat them like that.
Treat them like a genie in a lamp or the world’s smartest intern.
Does having the world’s smartest intern help you write your blog content faster if your bandwidth crunched? Sure.
With enough preparation and training and information and guidance to generate a good result.
It’s not magic.
It will not do things that it is not asked to do.
And so if in our prompting, we do not specify our requirements carefully, we don’t say, Hey, this is what I want you to do step by step.
It will not generate them.
If you want an example of what a prompt should look like, at least as a starter prompt, go to trust insights.ai slash prompt sheet, and you can get our free one page PDF, no forms to fill out or anything.
But that prompt will get you started on writing more thorough prompts that will that will generate better results for you than just walking up to it and say, Hey, write me a blog post about x.
That’s not going to go well.
So yes, you absolutely can use chat, GPT and tools like it to write blog content.
But it’s like anything, it is a skill to learn prompt engineering.
And it is essential that you invest the time to to foster and grow that skill so that you can reap those time savings and quality improvements from artificial intelligence.
If you don’t invest that time, if you don’t learn how to use the tool, you’re not going to see the savings any more than buying a blender and not reading the manual and then wondering, Hey, my steak dinner turned out really poorly.
Yeah, you didn’t read the manual and you used a tool for your outcome that should not go with that outcome.
And as a result, you’re drinking your steak tonight.
Sorry.
So yes, you can use chat GPT with training and experience.
And the outcome the results will improve your SEO and your writing in general when you use it properly.
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In today’s episode, Mary asks how SEO pros can stay ahead in an AI world. I explain using AI to improve your skills, then combining your strengths with AI to boost results. Critiquing content with AI reveals blind spots and creates superior outputs. Tune in to learn how partnering with AI can dramatically increase the quality and productivity of your work.
You Ask, I Answer: SEO Professionals Staying Ahead in AI?
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In today’s episode, Mary asks, “What advice would you have for SEO professionals and digital marketers who want to stay ahead in the AI-driven SEO landscape?” Use AI.
Use AI as much as you can as a marketer, generative AI in particular, to figure out what you’re good at and what you’re not good at.
Can you use a tool like DALI or StableDiffusion or Anthropix Cloud 2 or ChatGPT? Can you use these tools to make better stuff, to make faster stuff, to make stuff that satisfies your audience’s needs? At the end of the day, in SEO, what matters is are we satisfying user intent? What matters is, is our content better than the competitors? If you have someone who is unskilled at AI, making content, versus someone who is a skilled human writer, the unskilled person will make content faster, but it won’t be better.
The skilled human writer will make content slower probably, but it will be better.
What you want to do is figure out how do I get this skilled writer to start using AI and to skill up everybody who is using AI to generate better results, learn how to write better prompts, learn how to have better conversations with the computer.
So that no matter where your skill level is, you can be more productive.
One of the fascinating things that came out of the recent BCG study that was done with Harvard Business School was that they showed for knowledge workers, for consultants, they were able to achieve like a 43% increase in work quality from the bottom half of employees in terms of performance versus only 17% increase in productivity for the top half.
Now granted, both are big numbers.
Both are important, right? If you can get 70% more of anything positive, you’re probably pretty happy.
But if you’re getting 43% more productivity out of your low performers, that is gigantic.
That is huge.
Every employee who works now in the digital market, in AI, in SEO, has the ability to use AI to get better at what they do, to improve the results of what they do dramatically.
17 to 43% better results.
So your first task as a human being in the AI driven SEO landscape is to get better at SEO, is to get better at digital marketing using generative AI tools.
Use them to ideate, use them to brainstorm, use them to write, use them to fact check, use them to do gap analysis, use them to reflect the voice of the customer and critique your content.
One of my favorite things to do is set up a customer persona in a tool like ChatGPT or Anthropocs Cloud 2 and say, “Here is who you’re going to be.
You’re going to role play the persona of your ideal customer.
Here’s my content.
Critique it and tell me what parts I’ve done right to appeal to you, persona, and what parts I missed the boat on.” You will be surprised, very surprised, at how thorough the machines are, how correct and complete the machines are, and how many blind spots you have in your own content creation.
I am consistently shocked when I see this.
I’m like, “I can’t believe I forgot about that.
I can’t believe I forgot about this thing that we know is important to the customer.” It would be like writing a blog post about spaghetti and meatballs and omitting sauce.
Like, “Ah, I was so focused on the spaghetti part and the meatball part, I totally forgot the sauce part.” A good machine will say, “Hey, you forgot the sauce.
Put the sauce in and it’ll be better.” That’s what these tools do, is they are really good at things like gap analysis as well as copy editing as well as proofreading, developmental editing, even saying, “Hey, how else would you write this? What else would you add to this? What did I miss? What could make this better? What could make it more compelling for my target persona?” Learn to use the tools to do that kind of work and your SEO efforts, your content marketing efforts, your digital marketing efforts will all be phenomenally better.
You will be legendary in your circles for being able to create really good content with the assistance of AI.
And note that we’re not talking about just letting AI do it all.
We’re talking about you and AI working together to generate outputs that are better than either one of you would have generated individually.
It’s the old cliche, what? Two plus two equals five.
That’s what we’re talking about here.
So that would be my advice.
Use AI as much as you can for every task that you can within your workflow until you figure out the things it can’t do and the things it’s really good at.
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In today’s episode, Thomas asks if Google will check for AI-generated content. I explain Google wants happy users, so they’ll likely focus on content quality, not authorship. Satisfying users is key, so don’t worry if content is AI or human—make it good. Tune in to learn why Google cares about content quality, not creation method.
You Ask, I Answer: Google Checking for AI Content?
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In today’s episode, Thomas asks, What would be the impact of Google implemented a content check in its algorithm one day to distinguish between AI written and human written content? Okay.
If Google were to implement that check, they will use it for feature engineering, they would essentially say this was AI written, this was human written.
Does that feature matter? In terms of what the user prefers, because all of Google’s algorithms that we’ve seen so far, are about two things.
One, optimizing to get key people using Google.
And two, optimizing to keep people using Google because they get good results out of it.
And so if Google were to implement that check, it would be to determine if AI written content was better than or worse than human written content.
And this is, this is the heart of what they have said about their own search algorithms, they have said, we don’t care who wrote it, we care that it’s good, we care that satisfies searcher intent.
And that is something that a lot of SEO folks are having a real hard time with.
And a lot of content creators to Google’s agnostic.
Google wants happy users, happy users are returning users.
Returning users are people who are essentially using the search engine.
And that in turn means showing more ads, etc, etc.
So there’s no surprise there.
In Google’s intent, they want us using their service.
So does it matter? Whether it’s AI or human written content? Not really.
What matters is, does the user get what they want? And if you generate two pieces of content, right? One is AI made, and one is human made.
And AI one is better.
The user is going to favorite by staying on page longer by not pogo sticking out of it by engaging with it more than me by sharing it, etc.
And so the AI content will win.
If the human content is better, the human content will win again.
One of the things that is pretty unlikely is that Google is going to spend a lot of time trying to distinguish between whether or not a piece of content was written by machine or human because that’s a computationally very expensive thing to do.
Right? It’s computationally very expensive.
And as a result, that would slow down search listings, that would that would complicate the results that you get.
And there’s not a clear indication as to why you would do that unless you’re regularly required to do so.
There’s not clear indication why that would make sense for Google to do.
Because at the end of the day, Google just wants you happy, and staying on this site and using Google.
So I would expect less that they would say, Hey, this is AI written a human written and much more focus on is it satisfying user needs because the reality is if you’re good at using generative AI, you will produce good content.
If you are good at writing, you will produce good content.
Both things are the same.
Both things are people using the tools that they have to make stuff for the user.
And to the extent that it makes people happy, Google will favor it.
So worry less about whether Google is going to be checking your content for AI or not, and more about whether the content even is appreciated by the audience by the people that you want to have viewing it.
And if it’s any good, is the content any good? So that would be my suggestion.
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In today’s episode, Al asks if AI will flood search with repetitive content, requiring paid ads for visibility. I explain how generic prompts produce generic content, but specific prompts enable unique content. However, even in a sea of sameness, distinctly valuable content will stand out organically. So create content people genuinely want, and you won’t need to pay for visibility.
You Ask, I Answer: Generative AI Content Sameness in SEO?
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In today’s episode, Al asks, “Would AI offer a sea of sameness that would render organic rankings useless? Would everyone need to pay to play through paid ads in Google search to get any traction?” So, there is a risk of a lot of similar content being created because of the nature of artificial intelligence and because people’s prompting skills are not sufficiently developed to the point where they can create truly unique content with a lot of generative AI models, tools like ChatGPT, for example.
When everyone is typing in, “Write a blog post about B2B marketing,” right? Yeah, you’re going to get a lot of sameness.
The more specific and detailed your prompts are, the more unique your content that comes out of a generative model is going to be.
If you said, “Write a blog post about B2B marketing in the industrial concrete industry, focusing specifically on trade shows and events, and appealing to stakeholders of different generations with an emphasis on Gen Z as the upcoming new buyers.” Guess what? There’s a lot more words in there.
There’s a lot more context in there.
There’s more for the model to grab a hold of and generate new content.
So yes, for a while, you’re going to have a lot of the same as people start using these tools and realize that yes, they can create content very quickly, but it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s any good.
Does that mean that you have to pay to play? Maybe.
So there’s two things on this front.
One, the recent testimonies for, gosh, I’m trying to remember which trial it is, but Google’s basically been on trial.
And in those depositions on trial, it has come out that things like running ads does influence search rankings to some degree, as well as user behaviors like clicking on search listings influences the search algorithms as well.
So does it mean that you need to run paid ads? It probably doesn’t hurt to do so.
But on that sea of sameness, here’s the thing.
If everything is the same, right, then yeah, Google’s not going to know necessarily what to do.
But if something stands out as being substantially different, something is obviously different in a better way, right? If you think about it, you can spot it very quickly.
Google can spot it very quickly.
Hey, there’s something in this pile here that’s different than it will stand out.
Remember that Google doesn’t spend a lot of time looking at content itself.
It crawls it, it indexes it, and displays it in rankings.
But user behavior and what people do with it, how quickly they pogo stick in and out of listings, how long they spend on a page, what they engage with, what other listings they they go back and forth to.
And now of course, with search generative experiments, they have to keep asking questions because the answers were not satisfactory.
All of those things are things that Google’s algorithms can take into account faster, and it’s computationally a lower weight than trying to do a lot of natural language processing.
People forget that Google is a massive, massive entity with a ridiculous amount of data.
And the search engine itself has to return results very, very quickly, which means it doesn’t have time for elaborate computations.
What it’s doing is essentially taking, as far as we know, taking this numerical summaries of the features it’s already indexed and returning those in relevance.
So what that means is if your content stands out to humans, if people engage with it, they like it, they share it, they click through to it, and they don’t come back for a really long time.
If Google Analytics sees that, you know, obviously that it is also tracking data and sending it back to Google, depending on whether you check that box in your GA, install or not, all of that contributes some level of signal to Google.
So if you are creating content that people actually want, like really want, you will not need to pay for it.
It doesn’t hurt to pay for it, but you won’t need to pay for it.
But the challenge for a lot of marketers is most of their content is not that good.
Most of their content is not worth spending a lot of time with.
And here’s the bench test for you.
Your company’s content, the content that you’re marketing and promoting, would you willingly read it if you were not employed by our company? Now, assuming you were still in that industry, right? If you were left in, if you work in industrial concrete and you left the industrial concrete industry, you would have no reason to read industrial concrete content, period.
But if you were still in the industry, just didn’t work for your company, would you still find your content valuable enough to read it? If the answer is no, then you’re going to have trouble in rankings no matter what, because people simply just don’t want what you have.
And that is the eternal battle for SEO, for content marketing, is making stuff that people actually care about and want.
The more people want it, the less you got to pay to promote it, because other people will do the marketing for you.
And it is so trite and so cliche and yet still 100% true.
If you have something people actually want, they will do the marketing for you.
So that is the hard part.
That is the part that you’ve got to crack to make search in an AI world worth it.
You’ve got to have stuff that people want, whether you wrote it, whether an AI wrote it, doesn’t matter.
It’s just got to be so good that people actually want it.
Anyway, that’s the episode for today.
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In today’s episode, Manuel asks if zero-click answers are the future of SEO. I explain how zero-click results are already reducing organic traffic and will only increase as AI improves. To thrive in this new environment, marketers must find ways to attract visitors directly, bypassing search engines. Tune in to hear my tips for succeeding in an SEO world dominated by zero-click answers.
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In today’s episode, Manuel asks, are zero click answers the future in SEO?
Yes, yes, they are. Or very few clicks. Anyway, we already know that zero click answers are more prominent than not most of the time. This means that when you type an answer into a search engine like Google, you get an answer that you don’t have to then click on to go anywhere, right? You say “How many days is it from 1970 to today?” and it just tells you right there. Or “What are the hours of the sushi bar near my house?” and it shows you the hours and the website stuff right in a little box there.
You get a lot of zero click answers already in SEO because Google understands the query and is able to return a satisfying response. It’s one of the reasons why organic search traffic has been dropping year after year from Google in particular, really since 2018 when Rand Fishkin over at SparkTor talked about this. He said, yeah, zero click is the way Google is moving and taking as much traffic as it can.
With generative search experiments and generative AI in Google results, that’s going to get even worse. If you have general generative search experiments turned on, you will see very clearly what the future of search looks like. For a lot of questions, Google will present a summary, and it will not send traffic anywhere. If you ask it, “What are some good tips for baking an apple pie?” it will just generate an answer. And that answer may or may not send traffic anywhere. Even though it’s drawing from original sources, it’s going to summarize and consolidate and synthesize answers that don’t send traffic anywhere.
And that’s good for Google, because again, if users stay on Google longer, they’re more likely to eventually click an ad. And it’s bad for us as marketers.
So yes, zero click answers are the future in SEO. And you need to be prepared for this, you need to be ready for this. This is something that is happening now already. It’s not some distant day in the future. Generative search experiments are in Google today in beta. And so your strategy has got to be “How do we deal with a future in which Google sends us less and less and less traffic?”
In the keynote talk that I give, I talk about this to some degree. And the short answer really is you’ve got to have mechanisms that sidestep other people’s AIs, things like a newsletter, or a blog, right, the way people subscribe to you directly, a text messaging system, a Discord server where people again can connect to you directly without somebody else’s AI in the way.
The same is going to be true of search. As search consumes more and more clicks, we are going to have to take other measures to still attract traffic to our sites. We are going to have to market in some ways like search engines don’t exist. They can take care of the answering the generic questions and we will be the ones who will satisfy intent-based questions like “Who’s a good agency for this?”
So yes, zero click answers are the future. The future is now and it’s only going to get worse for SEO folks.
That’s the show for today. Thank you for your question. I’ll talk to you next time. If you like this video, go ahead and hit that subscribe button.
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Joanne asks, “What are the top data analytics you should be looking at to help with SEO performance?”
In this video, Joanne wants to know what data analytics are important to measure for SEO performance. I believe there are five essential sets of numbers that tell the story of your SEO performance and can help you diagnose and improve your SEO program. The first is organic impressions, which measures how often your website appears in searches. The second is organic clicks, which tracks how many times a user clicks on your website from a search result. The third is organic search traffic, which measures how much traffic you are getting from organic search. The fourth is organic session duration, which shows how long users spend on your site from an organic search. And finally, conversions, which tells you how many conversions you have from organic search. These five metrics can help you identify what’s working and what’s not, and fix any issues quickly. If you want to get more advanced, you can conduct sophisticated statistical tests to see which metrics correlate most strongly with conversions. Thanks for watching, and don’t forget to hit that subscribe button for more videos like this.
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In today’s episode, Joanne asks, what are the top data analytics you should be looking at to help with SEO performance? So what do we measure? How do we measure SEO? intelligently? What are the things that we should be looking at? There’s five sets of numbers that I think, tell a story tell a good story about SEO in a way that we can use to diagnose not only what’s happening with our SEO program, but maybe what what’s going wrong, and some of them can even provide advanced warning, but things are not going our way.
No surprise, it follows the basic customer journey.
Right? So your first measure of SEO, organic impressions, this is something you measure in like Bing Webmaster Tools, Google Search Console, how often are you showing up in searches? Right? If on a per turn basis? How often is your your website being shown by Google to users say, hey, Google thinks that for whatever term that the user typed in, you’re a good fit for this term.
So we’re going to show your website somewhere, you know, on the top 500 results.
And obviously, you know, things like ranking positions and stuffs do matter to some degree, but just that number alone, how much you showing up in search, that’s number one, that’s sort of your very top of your SEO funnel.
Because if you’re not showing up at all in search, guess what, you’re not going to get any business out of search.
Right? That’s, that’s number one.
Number two, are the number of organic search clicks.
And again, this comes from tools like Bing Webmaster Tools, and Google Search Console.
When your site shows up, in a search result, it’s kind of like a pay per click ad, almost right? Just paying for it.
How many times a person clicks on your listing and a search listing? is an effective measure of saying, How many times does the human agree with Google, that this result is relevant? If you type in Chris Penn, but you’re really looking for the the late Chris Penn, the actor, and you see my site and listing, you’re not going to click on it, because you’ll, it’ll say, marketing, keynote speaker, Christopher Penn, and that’s not who I was looking for, I was looking for the guy in Reservoir Dogs.
So for that search, that result would not be relevant, and you wouldn’t get the click.
If on the other hand, you search for marketing expert, Chris Penn, and you see my website, you’re gonna click on it, because that aligns with what you were looking for.
So your second measure in SEO is organic clicks.
How many times? Does the human agree with the search engine? that your site is the right choice? The answer to their question? And again, that’s one of those things where if the number is zero, you’re in trouble.
Number three, and this should be pretty obvious.
organic search traffic on your website.
How much? Or traffic? Are you getting from organic search on your website? Simple, simple measure? Again, if the answer is zero, SEO is not doing anything for you.
So you want to keep an eye on that number.
How much actual traffic are you getting? This is more complex than it looks sometimes.
Because there are plenty of searches for which Google in particular will show an exact answer in let you know there are answer box results that doesn’t require a click right? If someone types in Trust Insights, hours of operation, right, it will spit the answer out on the on the website and on right and Google and no, you don’t have to click, there’s no reason to click because the answer is right there.
But you still want to keep an eye on your organic traffic and should still generally not be going down into the right.
Number four.
And this one is probably the one that I think I see least used organic session duration.
How long does a user from organic search spend with you how much time they spend with you during that visit? This is important because again, if somebody clicks through, maybe they see that that snippet that preview and they click on the listing.
If they spent two seconds, like they read the first half, you know, two sentences on the page.
And then boom, they’re out.
They didn’t they didn’t see value in what you had to offer.
If they come in and they spend like 22 minutes on your site in that session from organic search.
Not only did they find what they were looking for, but they found a bunch of other stuff they were looking for too.
And that’s a good thing.
That’s a great thing you want that you want.
People will come into your site and go wow, it’s like a buffet.
I get this so much here that I want.
So organic search session duration is I think an important number and the fifth and final one.
conversions, right? How many conversions have organic search somewhere in the conversion journey? Maybe it wasn’t the last thing somebody but was in there, it helped it was part of the journey.
If the answer to this number is zero, then organic search isn’t doing anything for you.
Right so Whatever attribution model you’re using, make sure that organic search is in there that SEO is that’s how you know SEO is working, because it’s helping convert, because it means that you found the right person to the right place at the right time that they wanted to do the thing.
So those are the five measures that I like.
And the reason I like them is because they tell a story from does Google or the search engine think you’re you’re relevant? Does the user agree? When the does the user click through? Does the user spend time with you? After clicking through? Does the user do something of value to you, that tells it nice story.
That’s very linear from a data perspective.
And if you see one of those areas go off the rails, the number just goes to zero.
You know what to fix.
That’s the important part, right? If organic impressions go to zero, it means Google doesn’t think you’re relevant anymore.
So you need to spend some time optimizing on site and off site.
If you’re not getting clicks, but you’re getting impressions.
That means that things like your, your pages appearance and organic search, it’s not answering people’s questions, right, they look at the list and go that doesn’t seem relevant to me, and they don’t click on it.
You can tune that to some degree, organic traffic, if if people are clicking, are seeing on the results.
That organic traffic number is one that tells you Yeah, they were getting traffic from this search engine to this search engine.
There are some customers, some clients I’ve seen, they get more of their traffic from like Bing, or Yahoo, and Google, as long as that traffic is converting, that’s good to know.
Number four, if people are not spending time with you, your content sucks.
There’s no There’s no way to sugarcoat that, right? If they if people don’t spend time with you, it’s because they don’t value you.
They don’t see what’s in it for them in your content.
And finally, if there’s no conversions, then you’re not offering the right things.
Assuming you did a good job with the first four stages, your offer is broken, right? Your offer is not appealing.
What whatever the offer is download eBooks, subscribe to the newsletter, buy a shirt, whatever.
It’s not aligned with what people are there for.
So those would be the measures that I recommend for SEO, if you’re going to be measuring SEO.
I like those measures.
I like them, because they tell you what’s wrong.
They tell you how to fix it.
And they’re easy.
They’re easy to look at one dashboard go, Okay, this is up, this is down, this is up, this is down.
And you can get started fixing things really quickly.
There are tons of other measures and metrics that you can look at and search.
And there’s two ways to address those.
I like this for people just to get them started, you know, impressions, clicks, traffic, session duration and conversions.
If you want to get fancy, you take your conversions, and you take all the SEO metrics you have and you do a very sophisticated statistical test or regression analysis to see which SEO metrics have the highest correlation to the outcome conversions that you care about.
Maybe some of these measures don’t matter for your site, maybe other ones do.
I would encourage you to do that.
If you’re if you find that you’re not able to get the needle to move after looking at these these numbers.
That’s but that’s a more advanced technique.
It’s a tougher technique to use for a lot of companies.
Start with these.
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Really good question.
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Today, we’re going to do a large language model bakeoff, pitting Google Bard, Microsoft Bing, and OpenAI’s GPT-4 against a series of 11 questions that will test their capabilities and compare outputs for a set of common tasks, informational and generative.
Here are the 11 questions I tested:
What do you know about marketing expert Christopher Penn?
Which is the better platform for managing an online community: Slack, Discord, or Telegram?
Infer the first name and last name from the following email address: [email protected]
Who was president of the United States in 1566?
There is a belief that after major, traumatic events, societies tend to become more conservative in their views. What peer-reviewed, published academic papers support or refute this belief? Cite your sources.
Is a martini made with vodka actually a martini? Why or why not? Cite your sources.
You will act as a content marketer. You have expertise in SEO, search engine optimization, search engine marketing, SEM, and creating compelling content for marketers. Your first task is to write a blog post about the future of SEO and what marketers should be doing to prepare for it, especially in an age of generative AI.
Who are some likely presidential candidates in the USA in 2024? Make your best guess.
What are the most effective measures to prevent COVID?
What’s the best way to poach eggs for novice cooks?
Make a list of the Fortune 10 companies. Return the list in pipe delimited format with the following columns: company name, year founded, annual revenue, position on the list, website domain name.
So what were the results? I won’t leave you in total suspense. OpenAI won with 12.5 points. Bing came in a respectable second with 9 points. And shockingly, Google Bard came in third with 7 points. Watch the video its entirety to see what questions each got right and wrong, and my thoughts about which you should use.
Mind Readings: Large language model bakeoff: Google Bard, Bing + GPT-4 , ChatGPT + GPT-4
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Alright folks, today we are going to do a bake off, we’re going to do a bake off between four different large language models, we’re going to use GPT-3 point five turbo through the ChatGPT interface GPT-4, also from OpenAI through the ChatGPT interface, we’re going to do Bing with the ChatGPT for integration.
And we’re going to do Google Bard using their POM model.
So let’s go ahead and first talk about the questions we’re going to use.
We’ve got a series of questions here.
The series of questions are informational in nature, for the most part, some of them are generative.
So let’s look at these questions.
What do you know about marketing expert Christopher Penn a simple factual question to see what each model knows? And the quality of each answer? What is the better platform for managing an online community? Slack, Discord, or telegram? infer the first name and last name for the following address? email address.
So we’re doing sort of logic test there.
We have we have a adversarial question here.
This one is who is president united states and 15 6060? Answer? Of course, we all know, it was none because the country did not exist then.
But that isn’t an adversarial question attempting to trick the machinery.
We have an academic question.
There’s a belief that after major traumatic events, societies tend to become more conservative in their views, what peer reviewed, published academic papers support or refute disbelief cite your sources.
There are about three or four well known papers.
So this is a again, a logic check and a factual check.
Is a martini made with the vodka actually a martini? Why Why not cite your sources? This is an opinion question.
Because opinions vary, and there is there is technically right answer martinis need to be made with gin.
But you can’t have a vodka martini.
But that’s more of an opinion question.
We’ll see how it does.
You will act as a content marketer.
This is a generative question you have expertise in SEO search engine optimization, Search Engine Marketing, SEM and creating compelling content for marketers are loading up the keywords.
Your first task is to write a blog post about the future of SEO and what marketers should be doing to prepare for it, especially in the age of generative AI.
So this is a generative question.
Who are some likely presidential candidates in the USA in 2024? Make your best guess we’ll see how it does with that information.
What are the most effective measures to prevent COVID? This is a factual question.
But there’s a lot of misinformation online.
So we want to check the quality of the responses.
The answers we’re looking for are masks ventilation and vaccination.
What is the best way to poach eggs for novice cooks? Again, just a domain question and novice cooks party is important.
And then finally, another data janitor of question make a list of fortune 10 companies return the list and pipe delimited format with the following columns, company name year founded annual revenue position on the list and website domain name.
So we got a lot of these questions.
We’re going to do the Bake Off just go through each of these questions one at a time through all four engines.
So let’s go ahead and get started.
I’m going to start with the question about me got to put that into GPT-4 and put it into GPT-3.
point five.
You can only use one one instance at a time, right.
So well.
Let’s put this into Bard and put this into Bing.
So let’s go ahead and see now how is is Googled.
Let’s go here to GPT-4.
Start with that.
Let’s see Christopher Penn is a marketing speaker blah, blah, blah.
Yep.
As my knowledge cutoff date, September 2001, co founder chief data scientist at Trust Insights, that’s correct.
But it is the most I think the most accurate model the one that’s least likely to hallucinate.
Okay.
So far, so good.
GPT-4.
Good job.
Let’s go ahead and check out Google Bard.
Christopher Penn is market experts who work for some of the biggest brands, including Google, Amazon, and Microsoft, no, author of the book marketing the age of Google know I am a frequent speaker at conferences, I have not found the agency market motive.
Let’s see if there’s an actual result.
You’ll notice here that there are no clickable links, I have to actually Google it.
And let’s go ahead and Google this without personalization, just in case there actually is.
So there’s the SES actor, there’s me.
There’s me again, this is logged out.
This is also me.
So Bard has pretty clearly hallucinated pretty badly, actually.
So let’s go ahead and check out Bing.
Let’s see you have Alex did marketing data technology data science? I like this.
You can see when you hover over and Bing, this the sources I have.
This is correct.
This is correct.
So Bing also did a great job.
So, so far it is one point for GPT-4, 1.4, Bing, and zero points for Google.
I should have a little scoreboard.
Let’s go ahead and do this next question now, which is which the better platform for managing an online community? And let’s go ahead and get GPT-4 working? Actually, I’m going to switch to GPT-3.
Point five because it’s faster.
No, no, y’all, so let’s stay with for, let’s say a four because it is it is the model that people are paying the most attention to, will go and closes the tab.
Alright, so it’s going to get churning on that wall.
Let’s get barred.
cranking away here.
Let’s get barred going and then get Bing going.
All right.
See, this is very interesting with Bing.
You can tell but it’s not using GPT-4 as the language as as the data source.
It is essentially querying its own knowledge base first, getting the results and then putting that through the language model to craft the content itself.
This is a very clever implementation of the GBT language model.
Okay, Slack was designed primarily for working teams and professional communities, whereas Discord is often used by friends groups of friends, Discord is ideal for online communities.
While slack is better for businesses telegram is another platform.
Each platform has its own strengths and weaknesses, that that is a technically correct answer.
It’s not a satisfying answer, but as the technically correct answer.
Let’s see.
Yep, again, same.
If you’re looking for platforms secure and private, Telegram may be a good choice.
I would argue that Discord is also a decent choice.
Let’s go ahead and see how GPT-4 is doing.
No one size fits all.
Here’s a brief overview of the three platforms, pros and cons.
highly organized, robust research capabilities limited in the free version less suitable for large public communities initially created for gamers.
engaging experience can be overwhelming to its feature with less promotional focus on professional communities, good for large public communities.
And then telegram we have high emphasis on privacy and security supports large groups and channels limited trims integrations customization.
So this is interesting.
Bing, and Google both gave satisfactory answers answers that I would say would be acceptable, right.
Google doesn’t cite any sources here.
You have to Google it separately.
Bing cites a bunch of different sources, which I think is very handy because you have to you can decide is a trustworthy source or not.
I also do like the fact that it returns videos there.
And then, of course, OpenAI returning a really, really robust answer.
I’ll give all three a point for this.
But I will say that I think in terms of not credibility, but in terms of thoroughness, OpenAI wins, this wins that round, but we’re gonna give them all to a point now like me will give OpenAI a plus one.
So let’s do that.
I need to keep score here.
So we have Bing, Google, BERT OpenAI in the first round who will go to zero.
Everyone gets a one here.
But OpenAI gets a two because again, that’s a really nice, thorough answer that is very satisfactory to the end user.
Remember, we’re not looking at this from the perspective of marketers.
We’re looking at this from the perspective of would an end user find this satisfactory? Number three, infer the first name and last name for the following email address.
Let’s go ahead and get OpenAI cranking.
Let’s get Bard cranking and let’s get Bing cracking.
See what this does.
First name is Christopher and the last name is Penn.
Good.
We like that Bing, you got to point to my clipboard here.
Let’s see.
Google.
First name.
Just hold was Chris for last there’s like the pen is is is the same email as is the same as the email address domain.
What that means, but you did correctly infer the answer.
This is nice OpenAI.
Everybody gets a point on that round.
Okay.
Let’s move on to the next question.
Who is President United States? So it’s a hallucinatory question.
So let’s go ahead and get each one cranking away here.
Do a Google comes up with so this has been let’s see, Bing comes up with there was no president the United States was established in 1789.
So Bing gets a point.
First Question for my coffee cup.
Let’s go ahead and check in on Google.
There was no president, the United States that is correct.
And OpenAI also gets a point.
I liked this extra detail during 1566, North America was inhabited by various indigenous peoples and was being explored and colonized by Oh, that’s correct as well.
Everybody gets a point for that question.
All right.
There is a belief let’s do the traumatic event.
traumatic event and conservative us ones actually, let’s go ahead and start a new chat because it’s a very different question.
So I’m gonna go ahead and start a new chat here.
Let’s reset chat here.
And let’s go into being cleaned up and Okay, so let’s see what this comes up with.
Interesting that Bing is having to run multiple searches to try and get an answer here.
Let’s see.
We have APA, Scientific American good sources, Hailes.
Conservatives bolster arguments for trauma therapists forgotten memories.
Okay, so there’s some.
There’s some decent stuff here from APA.
Let’s go ahead and look into Google.
There’s a growing body of research, journal politics, American political science journal, political science, September 11.
That is correct.
They did specify cite your sources, and Google has not done that.
American Political Science reviews that state of British political science after the London bombings, okay.
And now let’s go check it out, OpenAI body of literature evidence has mixed political consequences.
I like this.
This is good citation right here of trauma and political act attitudes, like intergroup trauma in American support for the war.
Okay.
So in the responses themselves.
Google did not cite sources, it mentioned them but these are not citations.
Just that’s not particularly good being it’s a toss up on Bing, because it does provide links to everything, but it doesn’t put it in line.
So I would say, I would say for this one, I’m gonna give Bing a zero because, again, we’re looking for citation, not just commentary, and with OpenAI, you can go and google authors and find it so OpenAI will get the point for this round.
All right.
Opinion question is a martini made with vodka.
Actually a martini ahead and going ahead and get all three of these you’ve Google’s thinking about whether Mr.
T MAE vodka is actually Martini as a matter of opinion that is correct.
Some people believe it must be made with Jenna others believe it can be made with vodka there can be there’s no right or wrong us.
I mean, technically, gin was, was the original spirit used in the Martini, right? Fuck as popular spirit fog as a neutral spirit.
Yep.
Okay, so it is a matter of opinion.
Google gets appointed for this round.
Let’s go ahead and check in on open AI.
The question whether Martini vaca is as some debate traditionally made with gin vermouth? That’s correct.
Here’s a few sources explore this answer.
The vodka martini have refreshed history of the Martini.
OpenAI gets the point for this round.
And Martini is traditionally a gentleman with have often martinis technically speaking, a martini is not actually martini, but rather variation of it.
So interesting.
Being gives a definitive question, answer.
It’s a variation of a martini.
That’s tricky.
So I would I’m gonna give everyone gets a one, Bing two points because it is technically correct.
Let’s go ahead and clear our histories.
Let’s see clear conversations and reset chat.
All right.
Let’s move on to the next question.
You will act as a content marketer it is generation time.
Let’s go ahead and have Google tell us the history the likelihood of a future of SEO and go into being here.
Let’s let’s clear.
Anything up good.
All right, let’s take a look in now, OpenAI is going to crank for a while on this because it is a slower model.
But we’re what we’re specifically looking for in this one is a couple things.
We’re looking for it to not read Eat just regurgitate old information.
We’re looking for something that evinces even the slightest hint of original thought.
All right here we have Google’s.
So Google is done already, which is impressive.
Bing is done already.
And then OpenAI, of course, is going to be cranking for quite some time.
Let’s read Google’s history a future of SEO futures is constantly evolving.
create high quality content, use key words.
That’s this is like 2005 SEO building backlinks.
In a generation of AI.
You use AI power tools rise Voice Search, which was five years ago.
Quality.
Okay, so Google cranked out a fast article, but there’s nothing here that’s useful.
This is this.
This could have been written in 2010.
So this, I’m gonna give Google a zero on this one.
Yes, it did the job but it did a pretty poor job.
OpenAI still working on it.
Let’s check in on Bing.
Bing says the future is rapidly changing with the rise of genuine AI is important for marketers stay ahead of the curve, shift towards Voice Search, blah, blah, blah.
Yep, visual search, which again, was about five years ago generative as think about the way of high quality content, content engaging.
Okay.
Again, cranked it out fast.
But there’s nothing new here at all voice and visual search.
This is this is five years old.
Okay, so let’s go to OpenAI.
We have a growing role of AI and SEO and SEM.
AI becomes able to understand content, high quality content, the past scrutiny, advanced advanced AI algorithms.
semantic search and natural language processing semantic search is.
It is it’s not new, but it is somewhat helpful.
There’s the voice search business again, UX and core what vital is that was three years ago, general AI.
I liked that it cites itself in here.
Preparing for the future of SEO, use generative AI tools to system content creation.
So if we think about this, if you go back here and look, so Google doesn’t even attempt to tackle generative AI.
Bing kinda does.
And then, OpenAI talks about using generative tools like GPT-4.
I’m gonna give OpenAI the point here.
Gonna give me a half a point, because again, a lot of that stuff is is old, right? It’s not really new.
Things future of SEO, we’re, you know, you should be talking about the content shock aspect, which is you just a tsunami of generated content.
All right, let’s do some guessing.
Let’s play some guessing games.
I’m gonna go ahead and clear the chat.
I probably should just get in habit clear in the chat after every query.
So let’s go ahead and reset the chat.
And we’re going to ask about future presidential candidates.
Now, this has the potential to be hallucinatory will also be interesting to see you know how it thinks about answers.
The shaping up.
Former President Trump’s income and Joe Biden’s life candidate Ron DeSantis.
potentials.
This is current as of March 24, you may get closer.
Okay.
That’s a decent answer.
I will give Bing a point for that is a very decent answer.
Let’s check in Google says President Biden former President Trump Governor DeSantis Gretchen Whitmer.
Senator Elizabeth Warren said Bernie Sanders.
Yeah, Bernie runs all the time.
I would say again, Google gets a point for this.
I think those are reasonable answers.
See, interesting that this some different answers from OpenAI, Kamala Harris and Christianorum are in here as long as the big three.
All three of us get a point.
Interesting responses to the question, interesting responses to the question.
All right, factual question that deals with misinformation.
Let’s go ahead and go into OpenAI.
ARD and Bing, okay, where they’re most effective measures to prevent COVID from Google vaccination, wear a mask.
Washing wash hands is ineffective against COVID Because COVID is airway.
Avoid crowds stay home if you’re sick practice social distancing.
Again, social distancing.
You It was kind of refuted after 2021 Mainly because it’s an airborne disease COVID like cigarette smoke.
Yes.
You’re you’re going to inhale a little bit less smoke being six feet away from someone but you’re still going to smell like smoke.
But Google’s advice is correct.
It gets a point.
Let’s see, OpenAI still thinking and we have Bing wear a mask, stay with outbreak spots frequent hand washing, improve ventilation.
Interesting.
vaccines are safe and effective cruising ILS but is not on the list being gets to zero that is unhelpful advice.
And wear a mask is correct event poor ventilation is correct.
Vaccination is the last line of defense and should be something that is important.
It’s missing from here.
Okay.
OpenAI vaccination, hand hygiene, respiratory etiquette, face masks, social distancing.
Clean and disinfect regularly.
See, that’s all the fomite stuff from early on.
poorly ventilated faces.
Okay.
OpenAI get stuff.
I’m gonna get OpenAI two points because it nailed all three ventilation vaccination and masks.
So interesting that that Bing, Bing search results kind of holes that I thought that was kind of interesting.
Okay, let’s go ahead and start a new chat here.
Let’s clean up our bar chat.
Our next question is what’s the best way to poach eggs for novice cooks? So Google gets going on that saying, Let’s go to GPT-4.
And let’s go into edge.
That’s where to poach eggs for novice cooks.
Now.
for search engines, you would expect them to return some videos I think that would be a very helpful thing to do.
Let’s see what happens.
Bring a large pot of water to boil crack an egg to a fine mesh sieve of a small liquidy whites.
Transfer the egg to a small American add vinegar.
Slide the egg in the center.
The Whirlpool is correct if you’re doing it one egg at a time.
And there’s a whole bunch of videos that is a terrific answer.
We like that.
But I’ll give Bing a point for that.
Let’s see what else opening I still thinking.
Let’s see we got Google here fill saucepan three inches of water and one tablespoon white vinegar reduced heat to low crack an egg to a small bowl slight with the water.
Yep, smooth with a slotted spoon tips.
This is a good answer.
This is a very good answer.
Google point there, no videos no sources but it’s a good answer.
And OpenAI water temperature add vinegar crack the egg.
Okay, now give OpenAI the point for that as well.
It’s taking a bit of time to thank you while it is thinking.
Let’s take a look at the last question on a list.
This is a generative question a specific output format.
So we’re gonna see if we can do this.
Okay, you know, we’re good.
I think we’re good.
Let’s go ahead and clear conversations new chat.
And let’s go ahead and put in the generation to chat.
Google Bard, and go to Bing.
And we are looking for his very specific returned format here pipe delimited format.
The company name year founded annual revenue position on listed website domain name.
All right.
This is nice.
Looking good.
I don’t want the row numbers, but that’s fine.
Fortune 10 as a 2022.
This is looking very, very nice.
Bing gets full marks full point for that.
Let’s go ahead and check in on Google Bard.
Nope, Google gets a big fat goose egg for that one.
Yeah, that’s that’s unhelpful.
And open AI.
So this is again, it’s run to the knowledge wall of 2021 which is fine.
Format is looking good.
So OpenAI gets full marks for that.
So let’s do some quick tallying.
Bing 123467896.
So Bing gets nine points.
Let’s do Google 1234567.
Google had seven points, and OpenAI.
1-345-678-1011 12 and a half.
So are our final scores for the GPT-3 bakeoff.
Large language model bakeoff is in first place, OpenAI is GPT-4 with 12 and a half points, second place Bing with nine points and Google Bard in third.
As with seven points, I will say.
OpenAI is models, the GPT models.
They are not search engines.
They’re not designed to be search engines.
They are designed to be transformed as generative AI models.
That said, they are substantially better than the search engines.
In terms of the quality of results, they return in terms of the usefulness of the results they return.
So that I think that’s a really important thing to look at.
I am surprised pleasantly by Bing.
If chat based search is the way to go for the future, if that’s something that people are going to want to do, Bing does a really good job.
It cites it sources, it makes it sources obvious from the get go like when the COVID example, you could see which sources it was drawing from you’re looking for authoritative sources, or doesn’t have that.
And I am equally surprised, shocked that Bard is so far behind.
Right.
This is Google, this is the company that practically invented modern search.
And yet, they’ve really fallen far behind bars results are unhelpful.
There’s a lack of citation, there are things that just flat out gets wrong.
And yes, all these experiments, all these are in development, all of these moving objects.
But if there was a company that would expect to get right based, just the sheer amount of data they have access to, it would have been Google.
And instead, Google comes in in third place in this Bake Off, so I am surprised, I am disappointed in Google for sure.
I am not surprised by GPT-4.
Yes, it is slow, right? We could probably do this with GPT-3 point five as well, if we want to do that bake off, but the quality makes up for it.
And if I had to pick today, a search engine to use for answers.
Using chat interfaces, it would be Microsoft Bing, and I never in my life thought I would say that because Bing has always kind of been this the other search engine like the other white meat.
And yet, they’re the way they have engineered this with the GPT-4 library.
Makes it really good.
It makes it is good enough that I would consider using it as a substitute for Google, particularly for complex queries queries where I want a synthesized answer that still has sources.
So that is the large language model Bake Off.
I hope you found this helpful and useful.
And I look forward to your feedback.
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Chris (not me) asks, “What’s the future of SEO? Do people still hire SEO companies?” In this video, we explore this question and talk about the limited runway unbranded SEO has in the face of large language models like the GPT family (including ChatGPT) and what we marketers should be doing to prepare now for a future that’s probably only a couple years away.
You Ask, I Answer: Future of SEO and ChatGPT Impact?
In today’s episode, Chris asks, “Do people still hire SEO firms?” The answer is yes, they do. There is still a need for companies to help other companies learn how search marketing works. However, there is a big question mark on the future of traditional SEO right now, and it has to do with large language models such as GPT-3 and others like GPT-2, Neo X 20.B, etc. Some are run by OpenAI, others by Hugging Face, and so on.
The problem with these models is that they give responses that seem plausible, even if they are not always factually correct. There are companies working on improving the accuracy of these models, but they still don’t give out links or any call to action, like a regular search engine would.
This is a problem for Google because it could imperil their core business of serving ads along search listings, which is the source of a significant amount of their revenue. This is also a problem for marketers because the text we publish on our blogs, for example, feeds these large language models but we don’t get credit for it, and so these models could take away a significant amount of our unbranded search traffic.
In the future, searching for information could look like asking a chatbot, and the answers will come from these language models. With just one link displayed, the importance of being number one in search results will become even more crucial.
So, as marketers, what can we do about this? We need to build our “insurance policy.” This policy comes in two parts:
Build your brand – You must be known by name so that even the most sophisticated language model points people to your website. Build brand recognition to ensure that you benefit from these models.
Build community – Get people into a place where you can reliably reach them, such as an email marketing list, text messaging list, Slack, Discord, Telegram, etc.
These steps will help ensure that your marketing efforts are not wasted in the future of search.
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In today’s episode, Chris asks, Do people still hire SEO firms? Yes, they do.
Absolutely they do.
There is still a need for companies to help other companies learn how search marketing works.
However, and this is the big however, there is a huge question mark on the future of traditional SEO right now.
And that huge question mark has to do with large language models.
The one that you’re most familiar with, of course, as whatever, we can’t stop talking about Jack GPT, which is based on the GPT-3 language model.
But it’s not the only one.
There’s many of these out this cheap T J six b GPT-2, Neo x 20.
B, and so on and so forth.
Some are run by OpenAI, some are not and some are by you look through AI Hugging Face, there’s there’s tons of these models that are available.
Here’s why this is a big deal.
Right now.
When you use chat, GBT, or any large language model, you ask it a question.
And it gives a response.
It gives sometimes a factually incorrect response.
But it gives a response that seems plausible.
And there are plenty of companies that are working on factually correct versions of these tools.
When you ask it, for example, things like what is a transformer? Or how many cups are in a gallon? Or things like that in a chat format and a conversational format? They’re not sending you anywhere, right? When was the last time you got a link to click on out of chat? GPT never.
You’d never have gotten more.
You’ve had maybe Google for something afterwards.
But you’ve got no link from it.
No, you might also be interested in or check this out.
And so as these models take off, and as the style of interacting with knowledge continues to grow, that imperils SEO.
That’s one of the reasons why Google is having a freakout about chat GPT-2 Because it imperils the very core of their business.
Right.
It imperils their ability to serve ads along search listings, which is at the heart of a good chunk of their business.
Now, they do have other things display advertising, they have YouTube ads, Gmail, ads, etc.
But the big money is in those search ads.
And if search changes dramatically, they will have a hard time making up that revenue.
Here’s why it matters for us as marketers.
When you look at how a large language model is constructed, particularly for unbranded search shims, your informational searches.
It’s not from any one source.
So our text that we publish on our blogs and stuff feeds these large language models, but we don’t get credit for it.
And as a result, for those large language models, they could take away a substantial amount of our unbranded search traffic, they will still be branded search traffic, right, someone who’s looking for Trust Insights will still search for Trust Insights.
And a large language model is not to say, oh, you should go to trust insights.ai.
A regular search engine will do that.
But if a sort of a if someone is searching for reasons why AI models are good, or reasons why AI models are bad, those queries aren’t going to go nowhere.
They are going to go nowhere, except in the chat bot itself.
And so all of our informational content that we use to drive unbranded search volume is going to go away right now completely, but it will probably go away substantially.
What will it look like? Kinda like what chat looks like? Now, think about when you ask your Google Home or home pod or Alexa device, or something where it will say, here’s the answer your question, Would you like more information? We’ll send you a link to in your thing, or you there’s a link displayed on your Alexa device or whatever? How many links are there? One, just one, which means if you’re not number one, you’re nothing right? If you are not number one, you are nothing.
So SEO is going to dramatically change you will dramatically change as long as chat based interfaces to large language models continue to be popular.
So what do we do about this as marketers? now was the time to building your insurance policy and your insurance policy comes in two parts Part Number one, your brand you must must build brand you must build brand.
You must be known by name so that even asking the most sophisticated language while still points people towards your website, right? Hey, go check out trust insights.ai Go check out Chris Tres Pandoc calm to go check out marketing over coffee.com that is, number one, you got to build a brand and if you’re not building brand, you are in danger.
Should you still be building unbranded content marketing, you know, informational marketing? Yes, but recognize that you at this point you’re just feeding large language models that will not benefit you build your brand instead.
Number two, you must build community, right you must have an acquisition method that gets people to you in what is called reliable reach.
That means your email marketing list your text messaging list, your slack, your discord, your telegram, whatever means you can to get people into a place where you can reliably reach them is going to be important because you can’t do it on public social media.
You just can’t write algorithms like a Twitter and Facebook and LinkedIn, and Instagram and Tiktok.
You cannot reliably reach people when you need to reach them.
They’re they’re simply not accessible.
You will get some of them when you publish your latest Tiktok or whatever.
But it could be hours, days, maybe even weeks before enough of your audience sees a public social media posts no matter with private social media, you get the timeliness.
So that’s important.
With an email list, as long as your email service were working correctly, you will you will get that and you have to be prepared for your organic search to dramatically drop.
So your assignment is this, go into Google Search causal.
And look at your performance for branded and unbranded queries.
You’ll have to do some, some regex selection in there.
You want ideally 50% of your traffic to be branded search at least 50% to be branded search and this flies in the face of everything we’ve been saying about SEO for 1015 years, you know you need to unbranded search to bring in new audience.
Once large language models takeover search, you are just feeding the models and you are getting nothing from it.
You will be just feeding models that will run ads and take your money and you will have nothing to show for it.
So I would focus on building brand.
Now some of it Sure, unbranded content and explanatory content and things is important.
But I would start peppering your unbranded content with your stuff.
Write things that are uniquely you things that people can get nowhere else.
It will read a little bit awkwardly, but can you imagine, if a if a large language model decides to vacuum up your content, it will strongly associate your names with that content.
That’s how those models work.
Otherwise, do what you can to build brand.
So advertise for sure, show ads to relevant people create shareable, share worthy content, that stuff that people want to hand up, it has your name and your logo on it.
Studies Research unique stuff.
date it, I’m gonna say something that again is gonna piss off a lot of people gate your content.
Why? Because ungated on ungated content, you’re just feeding large language models, you’re feeding GPT-3.
And it’s undertake your content and your knowledge.
And you will get nothing from them when you slap it behind the gate.
Even if it’s just a gate like he’ll punch the monkey in the face, right? No, you’ll take it off to take people’s personal information.
But just put up something that blocks these crawlers from getting your information from taking it and using it for themselves.
Put some obstacle in their way, so that your knowledge is can benefit you first, right? But that’s how you’re going to prove your brand value and then build those communities.
Build those communities, you’ve got to build private communities that you can rely on to reach otherwise, the large language models will invariably benefit those who can crank up the most content, those who can crank up the most content and sway those models a little bit will inevitably be those companies have the deepest pockets.
You and me.
I’m assuming you’re not a billionaire, maybe you are if you are, Hi, I’m not a billionaire.
But you and me we are not the beneficiaries of most AI models, right? They are created on large volume and large volume correlate strongly with resources with money, etc.
So that’s my long take on SEO and where things are going to take it for what it’s worth.
If you disagree, cool.
This is how I’m looking at it from my own marketing because I know how these models work.
And I know that we are not the ones who are going to be benefiting unless we are the ones who are running the model.
If you are an AI company and you can get market share, you will have a disproportionately larger, larger amount of market share as long as your company continues to do well, because people will rely more on more of those models.
And pretty soon, there will be room for competitors who don’t have AI on their side, they’ll have models of their own that they’re deploying, you know, with customers and in customer interactions.
It’s going to be a very interesting few years in marketing, but the writing is already on the wall that SEO is in a lot of trouble.
And it’s not going to get better.
So, hope that answers your question.
Probably a little more than you were expecting.
And I’ll talk to you soon take care.
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Luca asks, “I’ve been doing SEO for about 8 months now and I have a few clients that I service. My question is what avenues or skills (related to SEO, like web development) should I invest time in to increase my skill base and what could i potentially do to create more value out of my services?”
SEO is mainly about creating great content and getting people to pay attention to it. This can be done through market research, writing and communication skills, design skills, and partnering with companies that have these capabilities. Building a community is the best way to create more value out of your services. This community can be leveraged to generate interest, links, and search volume for your clients.
You Ask, I Answer: SEO Value Added Service Offerings?
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In today’s episode Luca asks, I’ve been doing SEO for about eight months now and I have a few clients that I service.
My question is, what avenues are skills related to SEO? Like web development? Should I invest time and to increase my skill based on what kind of potentially do to create more value out of my services? Here’s, I guess my point of view on this.
SEO is largely now about creating really good content, and then getting people to pay attention to it.
Right? So how do you do this? Well, there’s a couple of different ways the creating great content, that’s market research, that’s having good skills in writing and communication, maybe some design skills, partnering with companies that have those capabilities, and then getting those links and stuff like that.
And creating more value is all about building a community.
Right? If you can garner a good sized mailing list or good size, Discord server, or a good size only fans or whatever the mechanism that you choose to retain a community, then when it comes to value add for SEO, you will be able to leverage that community much more than somebody who’s just randomly pitching cold links, right? If you have 1000 people on your mailing list, and you chat with them, you provide them great value all the time, then, from time to time, you can probably figure out who on that list does what and say, Hey, I just helped a client put up a new free resource on I don’t know, fermented coffee, I’m making that up.
And you know, the five people on your mailing list who are avid coffee aficionados, you can reach out to them say, Hey, I got this new thing from a client, you want to check it out and send them link.
And, you know, say to them, Hey, if you if this is of interest to you, would you mind throwing a link to it on your blog, having a community that most of the time gets value from you and ever so often you can get value back from means that in terms of the things that generate interest that generate links that generate search volume and stuff, you have that as a more reliable resource, right? You don’t have to be that one SEO person, just sending out pitch spam, or running a bot that leaves stupid comments on people’s blogs or the random pitches in people’s LinkedIn inboxes.
Nobody likes us.
And very few people respond to them.
I mean, enough people respond that it’s obviously a tactic that still works.
But if you don’t like the stress of that, if you don’t like the high variability of those results, spend some time building up your community.
Spend some time diversifying your communities get people who are B2B, who are B2C, government, military, people who are in retail and finance and fashion and accounting.
And that the bigger that audience you have of people that you actually interact with, that you care about, that you provide value to, then when it comes time for any given client, you know, they’ve got something to promote, you’ve got a resource that you can go to right away, and create those links way faster, way faster than a competing SEO agency.
I am astonished at the number of SEO agencies that don’t have some kind of community resource on demand.
I understand why they don’t do it.
They don’t do it, because they’re not.
They’re not seeing the value of those communities.
They don’t understand that.
That is your insurance policy against search algorithms.
But it is a massive blind spot.
It is a massive blind spot in the SEO community.
And it is something that is easily fixed.
Right? I’ll simply fix it simple, not easy.
I remember a while ago, I was doing some link building for a financial services client and a friend of mine ran a fairly decently sized web site and we were having dinner one night and I said I’ll tell you what, I’ll pick up the bill if you stick a link on your site for this thing knowing that it was on target it was It wasn’t just a random pitch it was it would have made sense to link to it and my friends like sure I mean, I’ll keep it up for a year.
And he did he put up the link on the site and we got the credit we got traffic from it actually because again it was it was relevant it was on target.
That kind of relationship building takes time.
Takes a lot of effort.
But it is it is Your Parachute.
Right it is your break glass in case of emergency because getting people’s attention otherwise these days is getting harder and harder.
This this lovely little device here has a such a profound capability to distract us to take our attention away, that as marketers, we’re having a hard time getting everyone’s attention.
So if you have that community of people who are already paying attention to you, because of the value you bring them, then you can leverage that.
So that would be my suggestion for how you can grow, the value that your services provide.
And how you can eventually charge more for those services, right? Because you can say where other agencies can’t, hey, I can get you relevant placements, relevant placements for your products and services, assuming the company has something that you’d want to link to.
And if they don’t, you can also be very selective then with your clients say, Yeah, I’m sorry, I can’t take you as a client, because you have a product that sucks, and no one’s gonna want to link to it.
Right? I remember I worked for this one company where the product was twice the price and half the quality of the nearest competitor, I’m like, Yeah, we’re not doing a link building campaign for SEO, because the only links are gonna get bad reviews.
So let’s, let’s do something else.
And we did.
And the company eventually went out of business, because you can’t run a successful business when you’re twice the price and half the quality of the nearest competitor.
But, but we knew there was no way SEO traditional link building was going to work, because nobody wanted that product.
So that’s my suggestion, build that community.
And by the way, whether or not you own your own firm or whether or not that you work in an another agency, your network, your relationships, your community, that is something that goes with you wherever you go.
And it is an essential resource if you can, if you can build that and carry it with you.
from job to job agency to agency, you will do really well you’ll do much better than your peers.
Having that Network on Demand is it’s golden literally in sales.
It’s called the Golden Rolodex, the person who builds those relationships.
They can generate more results faster than someone of equal skill and equals seniority but without the network.
So good.
That’s a good question.
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