Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

Category: SEO

  • You Ask, I Answer: Importance of Domain Authority in SEO?

    You Ask, I Answer: Importance of Domain Authority in SEO?

    Shane asks, “What’s the validity of domain authority in the current SEO landscape where Google is telling us to focus on EAT? Should I be concerned about measuring domain authority or is it more of a metric that does more to stroke ego like media impressions?”

    The answer to this question requires some statistical knowledge. Fundamentally, the outcome we care about is traffic from organic search, so the question is, does domain authority have any relationship to organic search traffic? Let’s see what we find from the SEO tool AHREFS and the R programming language; bear in mind every SEO tool has its own version of domain rating, so you’ll want to perform this test using the data from the tool you use, with your industry-specific data.

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    In today’s episode, Shane asks, What’s the validity of Domain Authority and the current SEO landscape where Google is telling us to focus on EA t expertise, authority and trust? Should I be concerned about measuring domain authority? Or is it more of a metric that does more to stroke ego like media impressions? So this is a really good question because it requires a little bit of data homework, domain authority or domain rating or domain strength are arbitrary metrics put together by various SEO tool vendors, mas, RF, SpyFu, sem, rush, etc.

    To give you some shorthand about how important that domain overall is.

    So how do we do this? How do we go about turning an arbitrary metric into something that we can potentially get us out of? Let’s go ahead and flip this around here.

    To do this We’re going to need a whole bunch of data.

    And we’re going to need to understand at a very basic level, is there any mathematical relationship between whatever your tools domain authority measures called, and an outcome we actually care about.

    Now, for the most part, we’re going to care about organic search traffic, right? That’s the metric that is probably most meaningful to marketers because it means we actually got people to the front door, right? So let’s, we’re going to use the our programming language for this.

    You can use this as a statistical tool of your choice, IBM Watson Studio, SPSS, our Python doesn’t matter.

    I’m going to go ahead and I’m going to, let’s run all the prerequisites here so we can get all of our libraries loaded.

    And then we’re going to load in a whole bunch of exports from the RF tool and the exports.

    I’m using our Essentially articles with the most common would have called stop words in the English language, the or, and a in as you etc.

    These are going to give us a wide wide selection of content not just any one particular industry.

    I’m looking also at articles this year published within calendar year 2020 at with working links.

    Now what I’ve done is I’ve taken every metric they have and exported about 10,000 links per different metric because we want to see are there is there more than just domain rating or domain authority we want to look at.

    Let’s get rid of some row numbers here.

    And then let’s add in a days old just for fun to see if the age of the article matters.

    Going to load our correlation plot library.

    Remove numbers that are not remove variables that are not numbers you’ll see in the original data set here.

    There are things like the article title, the URL is Author of those are not necessarily things that, at least for this experiment we particularly care about.

    So let’s go ahead and then set any na which means not available to zero and run a correlation.

    We’re going to run a Spearman correlation tests.

    There’s Pearson spearmen.

    And the other one, I can’t remember the name it Pearson correlations are good for for normal distributions where there’s a bell curve of results from marketing data most of the time, most marketing data looks like a power locker where you know, though the Pareto rule 8020 rule, and so you want to use a Spearman correlation most of the time, and let’s remove the results of variables correlating themselves to that doesn’t help anybody and will draw plot.

    Okay, let’s zoom in here.

    Now what we’re looking for is there’s our domain rainville rating variable.

    And we’re looking for numbers in this section.

    Really a point two, five or better that Kate’s eight a week moderate correlation or, you know, minus point two, five week negative correlation basically looking for any correlation to major numbers that we care about.

    And the one that we really care about, is this one, the traffic number, right? What is their relationship between domain rating? And that organic traffic? And the answer is no.

    The other absolutely the point 008 Spearman correlation.

    That pretty much says there’s no relationship between domain rating in this tool and the outcome we care about.

    Now.

    question is What relationship is there between traffic that would be important? Number one here is referring domains, right referring domains.

    point five nine is a very strong correlation between traffic which is the outcome we care about.

    And referring domains.

    What else we got here we’ve got point four, two, median number of social shares.

    That’s interesting most of the time, there isn’t a strong correlation between social shares and SEO but in this particular set of 72,000 URLs, there is that I think bear some more investigation.

    And then next on the list here is number of words.

    That’s another interesting word point three eight, Spearman correlation.

    Again, we know that there is a bias in some types of algorithms in search towards longer form content.

    And this for this data set seems to bear that out.

    Now, bear in mind, let’s go ahead and flip out of here.

    Very mind a couple things with what it is we’ve just analyzed.

    We took a very generic data set from a single SEO tool, the RF tool in this case, and we did a Spearman correlation to see with the outcome we care about, does domain reading matter for this example? The answer is no.

    But There are some caveats on this.

    Number one, this is not niche specific, right? This is not industry specific.

    Instead of using the as the keyword term, you might want to use a piece of industry jargon from your industry and run this exact same analysis for your industry to see if there’s something specific in your world that matters much more than the generic English language words.

    Number two, caveat is that each SEO tool out there does its domain authority equivalent rating differently.

    They have different behind the scenes algorithms, Maz has domain authority.

    I think sem rush has doing strength RF says domain rating.

    So you’ll need to rerun these results with exactly the same technique, but export it from the tool that you use, because it may turn out that another vendor has a reasonably good domain authority.

    This particular vendors domain rating doesn’t really mean anything compared to the organic traffic outcome, and sidebar on that if your vendor doesn’t provide you an organic traffic number, then you can’t really do this analysis because you don’t know what outcome it is you’re going after.

    So make sure whatever venue you use, there’s a traffic outcome as well.

    That way you’re benchmarking against something meaningful.

    Now, as we all know, correlation is not causation, right? Just because an article is longer does not mean that it will likely get you more organic traffic, it means there’s a relationship between the two.

    So as with all good data science, once you have some kind of answer here, in this case, we did that we found median shares was interesting.

    We found a number of words was interesting.

    Your next step is not to immediately change your strategy.

    Your next step is to set up an experiment.

    start testing it We produce no longer blog posts.

    Let’s say you do a blog twice a week on every other blog is a longer post by, say, by meaningful amount likes, if you normally blog 300 words or every other post this month should be 600 words.

    And then at the end of the month, you check and see, did you see a relationship between longer posts and more organic search traffic? You may you may not, we don’t know you won’t know until you do the test.

    So that’s your next step is to test out and make sure that a correlation has a corresponding causation through your testing.

    So keep that in mind as well.

    In this case, my conclusion is for this data set, domain rating or domain authority isn’t a meaningful metric here.

    You have to test on your own.

    Don’t rely on just a generic test like we just did, to draw the conclusion for yourself, test for yourself, find out for yourself and then you can Go ahead and publish for your industry or your clients what it is that works best for your niche.

    So really good question.

    I wanted to show this as an example of the kind of work that you need to do to make that analysis so that you can get an answer that’s customized for you rather than a generic because the generic answer may not be applicable to your industry.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Do Keywords Still Matter in an AI SEO World?

    You Ask, I Answer: Do Keywords Still Matter in an AI SEO World?

    Shane asks, “With the changes that Google has made to its algorithm, is there still any validity to having a list of keywords and tracking how they are ranking? Do keywords still have a place in the SEO process?”

    When we decompose a topic, we end up with words and phrases. It’s literally impossible to write about a topic without using words and phrases; writing about coffee inevitably requires discussion about beans, brewing times, roasts, grinds, etc. Where the challenge is for marketers is in the topical adjacency of keywords – focusing on too narrow a list reduces your opportunities. The research part of SEO has drastically changed, but the publishing great, relevant content has not.

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    In today’s episode, Shane asks, with the changes that Google is made to its algorithm.

    Is there still any validity to having a list of keywords and tracking how they are ranking? Do keyword still have a place in the SEO process? This is good question because a lot of what’s been written, including some pieces I’ve written myself, I’ve talked about the important topics, document level topic, sentence paragraphs, and larger chunks of text that Google now uses thanks to deep learning capabilities to measure the importance the relevance of a piece of content.

    Now, here’s the thing about that.

    When you decompose a topic, when you decompose a document, you end up with words and phrases, right? It’s literally impossible to write about the importance of coffee shops, without coffee, I guess, without talking about things like you know, beans brewing times, blends grinds, particular types of brews, coffee dishes like espressos and cappuccinos and lattes, and mocha chinos and all that stuff, right? All those words, words and phrases.

    And so there is still some value in seeing how relevant a pages based on a series of words.

    Now, where things are different is that you’re not going to try and get a page to rank for one word or phrase, right, you may have a focus keyword, but there’s got to be a bunch of keywords around that that should also be on that page that are relevant to that page.

    This is a concept in natural language processing called adjacency.

    What words and phrases are adjacent to the primary focus keyword.

    So again, with the discussion about espresso for example, espresso has a particular type of being a particular type of grind, method, machinery.

    And so a page that is about espresso should also have those terms featured on it in some degree, right? Because that’s what the topic is about.

    And so that page may and probably should have multiple keywords that’s being tracked for but they’re all related around that central concept.

    But idea.

    The best SEO tools allow you to see how a page rank for multiple keywords right, and you can set it up to design design, your monitoring for multiple keywords, words and phrases have obviously you can’t make content without them.

    Now, what’s changed in the SEO process is not the words in the phrases per se, but the research right the research part of SEO is what has drastically changed in this artificial intelligence world and AI driven SEO What’s changed about that is that you need much more sophisticated tools that do natural language, proper language processing, to get those adjacencies.

    And you need subject matter experts to talk to in order to discover those hidden terms that may not be frequent on a page, but indicate your expertise they indicate your authority, your relevance, the fact that you know the topic deeply.

    So keyword frequency tools could be one way of doing that just determining how many times does a word or phrase up here, our friends over at Talkwalker have a basic frequency counter in a lot of their software.

    Some of the SEO tools are starting to get there.

    But your best results are always going to be from more advanced natural language processing software.

    So you can use some of the cloud services like Amazon and Google and IBM all have a natural language processing capabilities, digest large quantities of text, I use an open source library that’s built into Watson.

    It’s an add on to the our language, the our programming language in order to do a lot of that, as well, because with Google and other cloud services, you do pay a nonzero amount of money, it’s small, it’s not a lot of money, but for the effort, if you’re gonna, because you’re gonna have to write code to connect to those API’s Anyway, you may as well just build it with something doesn’t cost you money every time you write.

    So, the research part is what has changed.

    How do you determine those keyword adjacencies.

    And there’s a bunch of different methods.

    There’s, as I mentioned, basic term frequency counts, which actually are not bad for determining just how often does a term or phrase show up within a large body of copy.

    There is a measure called inverse document frequency, which is part of term frequency that you can use to determine how many times does a term uniquely appear in the document that gets rid of things like the word law that offers no predictive power about expertise across a bunch of documents, but it shows up a whole bunch.

    And then there are more advanced methods like vectorization, which allow you to mathematically gives you GPS coordinates on page two terms, that CEO who lives near that term, if you will.

    And then there’s even more advanced models on that.

    But those are sort of the three major methods for measuring those keywords, and they’re pretty good.

    They will get you a good percentage of the way, especially if you don’t have domain knowledge.

    One of the things that’s can be tough for a lot of SEO and content practitioners is that you need to have at least some level domain expertise in order to be able to craft great copy That the days of googling for two minutes and copying and pasting a bunch of stuff off of other pages are long gone.

    It now because of natural language models being able to understand things like grammar and syntax to some degree.

    That technique, which used to work in the old days does not work anymore.

    So you do need that domain level expertise.

    If you’re wondering how to make use of this with any don’t have machine learning capabilities, you don’t have data scientists on staff, your best bet is to sit down with your subject matter experts.

    Get out a little portable audio recorder, turn it on, and have a conversation with them.

    Put together a list of questions about your keywords about your topic, right.

    And for 15 minutes, 20 minutes.

    Work with your subject matter expert, talk to them and just ask them questions about the topic as though you are googling it but you’re googling it from inside somebody’s head.

    So what is The best way to make espresso or what should I look for an espresso beans, and we’ll get to talk about the roast versus the grind and a lot of detail.

    And that those conversations are what you can then start mining for that true expertise.

    That’s the easiest way to get started in the new keyword landscape.

    The fact of the matter, though, is that at the end of the day, the core goal of Google’s algorithm changes has not changed, which is to help you find great relevant content.

    Right? So as long as you’re creating longer form, great relevant content with subject matter expertise, you will deliver on what is that Google is looking for, in its its search algorithms.

    Worried less about individual keywords worry much more about topical expertise.

    So use those use those subject matter experts.

    Really good question.

    Look into some of those natural language processing tools that I mentioned there.

    There are a lot of capabilities out there and most of them are relatively inexpensive.

    I would shy away from people offering like individual point solutions, because they will tend to be expensive and they will tend to be things that if you invested some time and money in yourself in developing the capabilities yourself, you would have them and could use them in an unlimited fashion, rather than paying you 599 a month for you know, a tool that does one thing, so be on the lookout for that.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Dealing With Google SEO Algorithm Change?

    You Ask, I Answer: Dealing With Google SEO Algorithm Change?

    Carolyn asks, “A major update to Google’s core algorithm just came out and our site is down 30% for organic traffic overnight. How do you deal with situations like this?”

    Algorithm updates happen all the time, though Google does deploy large ones a few times a year. If there’s any advanced warning, plan campaigns on channels other than search to temporarily drive different traffic if you’re anticipating a problem, especially on paid search.

    Monitor forums like SE Roundtable and Black Hat World to see what other SEO professionals are saying about the changes and what they have in common.

    If your business permits, let the dust settle for a few days afterwards and a consensus form among the community about what the change might have impacted most, then work to remediate it if possible.

    And play the long game – continue building great content to answer search queries with expertise and authority.

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    In today’s episode, Carolyn asks a major update to Google’s core algorithm just came out and our site is down 30% for organic traffic overnight.

    How do you deal with situations like this? So Google’s algorithm updates happen all the time, because of the nature of the fact that it’s a deep learning model.

    There are constant iterations.

    That said, Google does push larger software updates a couple of times per year.

    I think about once a quarter give or take, and as many folks have noted, this has been recorded on January 15.

    A major update did just come out on January 13 2020.

    And, as with any major update their major winners their major losers, everybody else sees things moving up and down to varying degrees.

    The question about how to deal with these algorithm changes depends on how much advance notice we have if Google says on its various webmaster blogs on its twitter feed on its YouTube channels, hey, we’re pushing out an update.

    And they say here will be live in the next you know, 72 hours that gives you a good sense of, of when things are going to change.

    Sometimes depending on the update, they may give even more advanced notice, but certainly you want to be monitoring their social media channels for when they say something’s going to be coming out.

    Now, if you get any advanced warnings, you want to do fit for basic things.

    Number one, if you do have advanced warnings, plan, additional marketing campaigns on channels other than organic search to temporarily drive different traffic to your website.

    So if you anticipate a problem if folks are buzzing about potential problems that they’re seeing in these various forms, you want to have something on deck.

    Maybe it’s send out next year.

    Email, maybe it’s run some paid search ads to bolster your keywords that you want to be found for while the algorithm change rolls out, whatever you whatever the case is, have something on deck have something in reserve that you can throw out there so that you can offset any potential loss of traffic at least temporarily.

    Second, you want to monitor a lot of the web SEO forums that are out there, se Roundtable, blackhat world Search Engine Journal all these different blogs that cover the search engine space, the SEO space, pay attention to them, monitor them and see what other SEO professionals are saying about the changes and what they have in common typically, like Barry Schwartz over at Search Engine Journal will publish a roundup of like these are the top 20 winners the top 22 losers of the most recent algorithm update and look for it look what’s in there.

    What do they have in common are they The rich snippet sites are they review sites on a certain industry that will give you a sense of what the change is, and then help you start formulating a plan.

    If your business permits, if you’re not solely relying on organic search or you know, like 80% of your traffic comes from organic search, then you want to ideally let the dust settle for a few days afterwards and let a consensus form among the SEO community about what the change might have been and what it impacted most.

    So folks identify it’s clearly about Rich Snippets or it’s clearly about JSON LD or it’s clearly about inbound links from from malware sites, whatever the thing is, the community will take a few days to let the dust settle, see and tabulate the winners and the losers and then come up with responses to like, hey, this looks like these things changed.

    So you want to make sure that You have enough flexibility and enough diversity in your in your traffic on your website that a major SEO hit at an algorithm change doesn’t hit your business too hard.

    I remember back in the day when I worked at a financial services company 90% of one of our main websites, traffic came from organic search.

    And when there was an algorithm change, we dropped from position one, position three and lost 70% of our revenue overnight.

    That obviously, was a major strategic problem and kicked off a process of diversifying to different channels like business investing, right like financial investing, you want to diversify where you get your traffic from you wants from email from social for paid search, organic search for referral traffic, so that a major hit in one area does not completely take down your business.

    So if you are feeling the effects of this, then you want to make that part of your plan.

    How do you diversify If your traffic sources get traffic coming in from more and different places.

    And finally, this stuff makes for great news.

    It’s a lot of excitement.

    It can be a lot of stress.

    But remember that the ultimate direction Google is marching with all of its search updates is to deliver better quality results based on expertise, authority and trust, and relevance, freshness and diversity to its users, which means that ultimately, our big goal has not changed, which is right content.

    That’s awesome.

    That answers people’s questions and provides real value to them.

    So that if search engines went away tomorrow, and all people had were links to our sites, they would still be able to find and find value in what it is that we have to offer.

    So that’s the really the last word is keep continue.

    To build great content, to answer search queries with expertise and authority, and if you took a hit this time around to what you can but keep building great content so that you eventually get to that endpoint of ranking well, when an algorithm update favors you.

    So those are the four major things to do.

    SEO is such an interesting marketing channel because it is, in some cases, something for nothing.

    And it’s one of the few channels left whether that is a viable strategy somewhat but you are at the mercy of a third party and you’re at the mercy of a third parties machines.

    And nobody including Google has any idea what the full model means.

    Because it literally is hundreds of different search ranking factors put together in a in a deep learning model, which is not something you can disassembled able clue This is the most important thing.

    That’s not how those models work.

    So Do your best with what you can mitigate as possible and, and be prepared to spend some money.

    If your business relies on search, organic or paid and and you take a hit like this, be prepared to spend some money to make up ground until things work in your favor again.

    So that’s sort of the last word there.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: The Difference Between SEO and Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: The Difference Between SEO and Content Marketing?

    Assaf asks, “Do you look at SEO marketing content differently than “regular” content marketing? Should all content be SEO oriented content? When would you make the distinction?”

    There is no difference any longer, with the way search engines have implemented artificial intelligence and machine learning. It’s all one and the same. Make great content that’s relevant to both your audience and business, that covers your key topics with expertise, authority, and in a trustworthy way. Watch the video for the one major warning about SEO tools.

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    \In today’s episode a soft asks, Do you look at content marketing differently than a regular content marketing? Should all content be SEO oriented content? When would you make the distinction? That’s a good question.

    Today in today’s modern SEO environment with the way search engines use artificial intelligence and machine learning, there really isn’t a difference anymore.

    All content that you create should be about your key topics, it should be relevant, it should be timely, should be diverse in content type.

    It should have expertise, it should be from an authority in the space or be authoritative in nature, and it should be trustworthy.

    And those are the major factors that go into content marketing anyway.

    And it goes To SEO anyway, a few years ago, yes, there was a difference.

    As the old, very, very old joke of this one goes, an SEO expert walks into a pub bar Tavern and so on and so forth.

    And you ended up with a very stilted language that was trying to check the box on specific keywords of things.

    But again, as artificial intelligence has taken over the way search engines do their analysis.

    That no longer applies.

    Now search engines are looking for things that we would write naturally to each other.

    Right.

    So if we were talking about, you know, a bar, yes, you might use the word tavern, but you’re probably not going to use all the other words and you’re going to talk about your food, your drinks, your service, the atmosphere, specials, entertainment, all the things you would expect to see on a website about a bar.

    That’s today’s modern SEO, it is about What do the leading pages in a category like yours? have about the topic of your choice? What sort of words or even phrases? What topics Do you talk about? And how will and how thoroughly Do you discuss them that proves that you have that expertise, that you are an authority that your content is trustworthy in nature.

    Now, where you’re going to run into some trouble is that there are a lot, a lot of SEO practitioners out there who are still working on the very outdated knowledge of really anyone who has not brushed up on their, on their skills on what the tools do, and how search engines work if they’ve not been keeping current in the last six months.

    They’re really, really behind.

    When you hear people talking about oh yeah, modify the h1 tag and Put these words in bold anyway, right? Yeah, it’s about a decade old.

    And some of those practices don’t cause harm some of them do.

    But almost all of them will not help anymore compared to the, the modern basics of topic centered content creation, and the timeless, get more people to link to your page and talk about you and send you traffic.

    Those two things really are the bedrock of modern SEO.

    Now, in terms of other differences, if you are doing SEO focused, content marketing, you will spend more time probably on the research about the topics and the technology used to identify what word should be in your content then you would with just straight piece of content marketing, we just go in and just create something for the sake of creating it.

    Knowing what topics you should be creating, not knowing what should be in the page, knowing What similar pages that rank well how on them knowing what the category overall has that does take time.

    And it requires a lot of research because I was digging around yesterday one of the industry leading SEO tools and even there it’s it’s struggling struggling to keep up you can see that it’s not I typed in this keyword for a very, very broad topic and yeah, it should have come up with other things that didn’t attacted as an example, I typed in the coffeehouse and coffee shop.

    Now when I typed that in what words should be on the page? What words would you expect to be in that content will sure the coffee right? But this thing kept coming up with the coffee shop coffee shop near me coffee house near me, but at no point didn’t say espresso or lattes.

    or music available or seating area.

    And again, those are things that you would expect in a coffee shop business.

    But this SEO tool, it one of the industry leading ones, one of the biggest names out there, just couldn’t do it, it couldn’t find those related terms that were semantically related, but not exactly what the customer typed into the tool.

    So that’s where you’re going to run into the most difficulty is, when you’re working with these tools, they are not keeping up the way they should be.

    And you will have to invest more time investigating on your own, maybe even building some of your own software just just to get to the point of getting those keywords.

    Certainly interviewing your own subject matter experts to get the natural language that people use to describe something in your industry is is the easiest way to get some of those words.

    So Good question.

    Really, there’s a lot to unpack.

    And there’s a lot to do that you will have to do on your own because again, the tools are not there just yet, compared to the way that of course, search engines with multi billion dollar r&d development budgets can can do so.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Best Practices for SEO Related Keywords?

    You Ask, I Answer: Best Practices for SEO Related Keywords?

    Kali asks, “Are there any best practices to use for updating content and focus keywords on established pages that already rank really well for an existing keyword? We’re trying to go from using “financial planning” to “wealth management”.”

    Absolutely. The best practice is to take every page that ranks and attracts traffic for your stated term of choice, and run it through natural language processing software to find every other related term. Then take that new list of terms and sit down with your internal subject matter experts, interview them on the intersection of those terms, and get tons of content that will be unique to your company’s POV. There are a number of different tools you can use for this; I use the FastText library from Facebook in the programming language R. This gets you away from keywords and focused on topics instead. Watch the video for details and an example.

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    In today’s episode, Kali asks, Are there any best practices to use for updating content and focus keywords on established pages that already rank? Well, for an existing keyword? We’re trying to go from using financial planning to using wealth management? Absolutely.

    The there are a number of best practices for this.

    But one of the things that is an important pivot to make in your mind is that Google doesn’t look at specific keywords anymore.

    Google now looks at topics and it looks at when it’s doing its assessments for whether a page is authoritative or not.

    Whether the words the phrases, the content, the structure, all mirror what an authority on that subject would say.

    So if you were talking about financial planning and wealth management, you should probably be talking about Asset Management you should probably be talking about fiduciary responsibility, all the things that if you were to sit down and talk to a subject matter expert about, it would come naturally in their in their talk with you.

    That’s one of the reasons why doing subject matter interviews, some interviews with subject matter experts is so vital because in those natural conversations with established authorities, you will get a lot of the language that will fit Google search algorithms, but also naturally be the kind of thing that a customer would have as an experience when they’re talking to advisor like yours.

    So that’s really important in terms of the technology itself, the best practice today, I’ll just disclaim this by saying this is not necessarily easy.

    It is not necessarily cheap.

    But the best practice is to take every page that ranks and attracts traffic for your stated terms of choice, both old and new.

    And running through natural language processing software to find every other related term.

    Literally a brief example does, let’s bring up a web browser here.

    So I would first start with an SEO tool like our apps, for example, their content explorer buzzsumo would be another good choice here.

    And you can see there’s about 1800 pages here that are getting at least five visits from organic traffic that are working in the English language published anytime about both of these terms, financial planning and wealth management.

    Now, if you wanted to just focus on the term you were pivoting to, you could just do that search alone.

    And that’s, of course going to give you a more broad index of one of those terms.

    What you would do then is export this data to natural language processing software.

    I write my own, there are plenty of really good, cloud based One’s Google Cloud natural language processing software is excellent IBM Watson natural language understanding is excellent.

    Amazon has some in their AWS stack as well.

    But what you will do is, you will Well, you will need to extract the text from all in this case, 12,300 pages and put it into a giant document, actually, the best practices put into a database, put it in the database.

    And then once you have that text, you’re going to run natural language processing to see as effectively what are the other words and phrases that appear in this text that are that you know, are targeted around the search terms of your choice, and build content around that.

    So for example, I was doing some work last week for Trust Insights for our own site about marketing analytics, what are the terms that are most co located with marketing analytics and of course, no surprise here social media, digital marketing, Google Analytics, content, marketing As we create content around marketing analytics, we know that the pages we create the content we create has to have these terms in it.

    And it’s not going to be just on one page on your website, what’s going to happen, let’s go ahead and put that away.

    What you’re going to do is you’re going to create content that is robust across many pages on your site, so that you get those combinations of terms, you know, wealth management and fiduciary responsibility, wealth management and asset classes, wealth management and tax strategy, and so on, so forth.

    And by doing that, over time, on a blog on white papers on whatever it is, as long as it’s visible, but to Google, you will create that authority that says we know about wealth management because we’ve got all this content that checks the box on all of these different topics.

    Now, the easiest way to get started with that, again, is to take your little portable digital recorder right sit down at a conference room table with your subject matter experts.

    turn this on.

    Hey, Jamal, tell me what you know about wealth management and tax strategy? Well, what what specifically do I know? If I was a new customer? What should I know about tax strategy and he will probably go on, presumably as as many subject matter experts do, at length, about different tax strategies for wealth managers, shell, corporations, s corpse, LLC, all these different things to to manage your money.

    And in doing so, you’re going to get a rich amount of content that you could, you know, based on the keyword lists you’ve been pulling, is going to be on target.

    So whatever those keyword lists are that come out of the already top ranking content.

    Those are the things you ask your subject matter expert on that way.

    Not only do you check the box on the terms of the topics, but you have your company’s unique point of view on those things.

    Yes, there are a million pages about, you know, wealth management or financial planning, whatever, but they’re not your perspective and bye bye bonding those multiple topics together, you can get that information out of your subject matter experts and get their their perspective that you can then use for content.

    So that’s the best practice.

    Again, it’s not easy.

    It is not inexpensive in either time or budget if you don’t have the ability to write the code yourself, but it is the best practice for getting to exactly the kind of content that will help you rank well.

    So that’s the answer your fault comms, please leave the comments in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Local SEO Strategy?

    You Ask, I Answer: Local SEO Strategy?

    Chad asks, “Starting on a new website build and incorporating multiple drop off locations in various states for the business. Would it be best (for seo value) to build stand alone sites for each drop location or keep each location as a page under main site?”

    Generally speaking, you want to follow a logical organizational system that adheres to the way Google likes to see site data. That means along the lines of one large organizational unit and then separate sub-units within that container. For this case, that means one main website and separate pages or directories as needed for each location. In your JSON-LD or Schema markup, you also want that reflected, with one organizational container and individual locations inside that container. Finally, Google My Business pages for each of the locations will help you get found. Bear in mind that all this work may mean a potential decrease in organic search traffic because of zero-click search results. Watch the video for full details.

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    In today’s episode chat asks, starting on a new website builder and incorporating multiple drop off locations in various states of the business would be best for SEO value to build standalone sites for each drop location or keep each location as a page under the main site.

    So generally speaking, when it comes to technical SEO, which is what we’re talking about sort of the infrastructure underneath the website, you want to follow a logical organizational system that adheres to the way that search engines especially Google, like to see site data.

    So that means you have one large organizational container of some kind, and then separate pieces and parts units within that container.

    So for a website that has multiple locations, you have one main website, and then you have either separate pages or separate directories as needed.

    For each location.

    Now, bear in mind, there’s three parts to SEO.

    Right? There is technical SEO, there is content that is on the site.

    And then there is what you do off site, which is link building and such.

    And technically, there’s also a fourth step on competitive landscape.

    But that’s for another time.

    Technical is all the stuff that you’re going to do to make the site finable easily indexed and, and discoverable.

    One of the things you’re going to need to do is implement what’s called JSON LD or some form of the schema.org markup.

    json LD is JavaScript.

    Object Notation is JavaScript that goes either on the site or in Google Tag Manager.

    And it tells Google and other search engines.

    Here is what this site is about.

    Here is what this company is about.

    Here’s what this page is about.

    And it’s something that you configure, either on a per page basis or If you’re using Tag Manager, you would fire different containers depending on a different JSON containers depending on where someone is on the site.

    So inside that you would have sort of a consistent piece that says this is the organization on the page of the company.

    And then on a per location basis, you would have location specific details like address, phone number, individual hours and things in each of the sections.

    It’s a lot of work to put this together.

    But it’s important because it helps Google figure out here’s what’s going on.

    Right, here’s the details that you need to know.

    And then the sort of the third part for local search, besides having good directory structure, and the JSON LD or the markup is to have those Google My Business pages set up.

    And those are set up on a per location basis.

    You probably want to use management software for that.

    There are companies like Yext for example that will make that a little process A little bit easier, especially if you have a lot of locations, if you got like two locations fine.

    But if you got like 20, or 30, or 50, you definitely want some software to help manage all that and manage the reviews.

    It’s always fun.

    So those are sort of the three parts that you need to make this work to stand out for local search.

    Here’s the catch.

    And this is something where you’re going to need very, very good attribution analysis and data collection throughout.

    If you do this, well, you may not see an increase in organic search traffic.

    Why? Because people won’t be coming to your site.

    When you design the site with great technical SEO, you’ll get what’s called a zero click search results.

    So somebody goes to Chris’s coffee shop, and they Google for that and I’ve done my job right? And they type in Chris’s coffee shop hours.

    You’ll get that result panel right and Google that says, you know, here are the hours of this business.

    They don’t have to click anything.

    They don’t have to do anything other than know that that’s the answer they were looking for.

    And then they show up at the coffee shop door.

    If I don’t ask that person when they walk in the door, hey, how did you hear about us? Oh, I searched for you got it.

    I don’t know that that what I was doing with my technical SEO, his show is being reflected in the business that I get when somebody walks in the door.

    So part of what you have to do is very, very strong tracking very, very strong attribution to make sure that you are keeping track of these technical efforts that may not drive traffic to your website, but will drive traffic to the front door of the business.

    Right.

    So that’s one of the catches of doing technical SEO really well.

    You may not get a lot of search traffic.

    You will you if you want traffic to the website.

    Your focus there is get the technical in good condition and then do a lot of content marketing, a lot of content creation.

    Lot of targeting long tail keywords and topics and phrases and ideas, thought leadership, all that stuff is we’re without blogs if you want to attract a lot of traffic to the site, but in terms of those operational details, that’s probably going to be zero quick search results.

    And again, you got to track that very carefully, you will get some of that data as well from Google My Business like number of searches, number of searches involved with location involved maps, things like that.

    So that’s the local SEO strategy, at least as of the time of recording, which is sort of the end of 2019.

    And if you’re watching this after that period of time, as always, things are subject to change based on how the engines do their changes, but that’s the way I would go with that.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Link Building Cold Outreach?

    You Ask, I Answer: Link Building Cold Outreach?

    Michael asks, “I get dozens of cold outreach link requests a day that are clearly templates or automated. Does this tactic actually work?”

    Cold outreach requests work in the same way that spam works – you only need a small percentage of people to respond positively. As a whole, it’s efficient but not particularly effective, it tends to work on low quality content, and it does cost your organization some reputation, especially if it’s done poorly. What works better is creating amazing content that people want to link to, and investing in the relationships first.

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    Christopher Penn In today’s episode, Michael asks, I get dozens of cold outreach link requests a day that are clearly templates or automated does this tactic actually work? Yeah, we all do cold outreach, Link requests in their templates to say like, hey, owner of Christopher penn.com, I noticed that you write about marketing, please link to my marketing article 44 ways to ruin your reputation with cold outreach link requests, right? We’ve all if you have a blog, you’ve gotten at least one request like this.

    And the more popular your blog is, the more you get of these, I would imagine someone like Michael his site gets millions of visitors a year and of course, he’s probably getting thousands of these a day.

    They work sort of, they have most definitely not a best practice.

    They work in the same way that spam works.

    A small percentage of people do respond positively, typically lower quality sites.

    And the companies that do these by and large, just shotgun blast these things everywhere, they’ll send out a million emails.

    Or they’ll use bots to spam comments on blogs.

    As a whole, the technique is efficient, it is not particularly effective.

    The links that you do earn from it are mediocre at best, random WordPress bloggers and stuff.

    I’m wordpress.

    com or medium or essentially people who don’t know better than to take these link requests and put them exactly where they belong, which is in the bin.

    And it does the technique and this is one of the reasons why you really shouldn’t use it is the technique and cause you cost your organization some reputation the same way as spamming with a lot of the companies that do this sort of thing, outsource it.

    They outsource it to the lowest cost possibilities and whether it’s full automation or inexpensive labor offshore.

    And it’s almost never done well, there is a way to do link building Well, number one, make content people want to link to that certainly helps that if you have original research or unique data of some kind, you can absolutely earn links the easy way easy by creating stuff that is unbelievable.

    That would be the best practice choice by far.

    And you can do individual outreach to people.

    But you have to do two things.

    First, number one, you have to do your homework.

    If you’re going to ask someone to link to your blog, Post show that you read their blog post in its entirety and you understand the context of your question, the context of your questions is appropriate.

    If you are reaching out to a marketing blog and saying, Hey, would you link to my, you know, body wash website.

    Now, there’s no fit there.

    There’s no relationship.

    There’s no context, it’s just clearly a random commercial pitch.

    And that’s going to get disposed of, and to build the relationship first.

    This is something that drives me nuts about a lot of public relations folks as well.

    We’re also sending out random cold pitches.

    There’s no relationship.

    And if you don’t invest the time and the time is measured in months or years.

    If you don’t invest the time in the relationship, then you’re not going to get a good outcome.

    When someone who’s a legitimate friend asks me, Hey, can you share my thing? Generally speaking, I’m probably going to say yes, as long as the things worth sharing I had somebody who reached out to me, he reached out a couple days ago, but I’ve known him for a decade.

    And he’s like, Hey, would you be willing to contribute to this thing on someone and I read it and I gave him some some feedback and said, Yeah, when it’s time, let me know and I’ll, I’ll share it for you.

    He has invested the time in, in building that relationship so that the ask is not cold.

    This is what separates a good link builder from bad one, a good PR person from a bad would want a good influencer marketing person from bad one.

    They invest the time to build those relationships.

    And they do it over a long period of time so that there’s an actual human connection.

    And then it’s like banking, I hesitate to use the analogy because it is kind of tacky to think of these kinds of professional relationships as a keeping score, but it’s good analogy in that if you Don’t deposit money in the bank, there is nothing to withdraw from it.

    Right? You cannot withdraw from an empty bank account.

    In the same way or relationship if you don’t invest in the relationship you cannot withdraw from it, you cannot ask anything of it because you didn’t give anything to it.

    And this concept I think, from Vienna, I originally called givers gain, you give first without expectation, just to build the relationship.

    And then at some point, you know, you will have to ask for something at some point.

    But at some point down the road, you earn the right to make that ask, and that’s true with outreach as well.

    So this begs the question, well, how can you invest in you know thousands of relationships you can’t.

    What you need to do is do some strong analytics to identify in the network of people who are in your space in your vertical industry, do an actual influencer map and influencer graph using data to identify the two or three or four super nodes within your network that The hubs of every conversation with the majority of conversations, a great way to do this would be to take, for example, social media content from like, a five or 10 conferences in your industry.

    Or look at the academic papers published in your industry, and create a network map that says, These are the people who everybody talks about everybody references and those five people.

    That’s where you start your relationship building, right? So that you’re focusing on the hub because once the hub gets a piece of information, it can then spread it to its network of first and secondary connections.

    And you will get exponential returns on your effort from that if you approach it smartly that way.

    That’s how you do it.

    Right.

    When somebody like in our industry, like Jay Baer, when he publishes a blog post with our content, and it we see it show up everywhere, we see links show up everywhere.

    He is a super node within the network.

    And so that’s somebody that You know, we would we would, we would want to maintain a relationship for professional reasons is nice personal reasons to he’s an amazing human being.

    But that’s how you do it.

    So cold outreach links link is not the best practice do warm outreach link requests and the very best of all is do a collaboration with somebody that you have that relationship with.

    And again, you will create amazing stuff.

    I did a some work with Agoura pulse recently we did a the social success summit.

    It was one of the biggest prospects and lead generators of the year I did a piece with Talkwalker without Alban format or a Talkwalker.

    And it again did some tremendous stuff, they have some things coming soon, all relationship based, so that’s the way to do it.

    build a relationship build together and you will build the links and the links will be high quality from reputable places that will boost your SEO.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Google SEO Strategy in 2020?

    You Ask, I Answer: Google SEO Strategy in 2020?

    Heidi asks, “What do you make of Rand Fishkin’s statement that in 2020, Google will be our biggest competitor for traffic?”

    Rand isn’t wrong on the premise that Google wants to provide the best answers in the most efficient way possible – and that may mean one-box/zero-click search results which do not send traffic to our sites. That said, many of those queries tend to be basic informational queries, even with the most advanced natural language processing, and as such may not be strong intent indicators. More complex, deeper queries often indicate greater intent and are what we should be targeting. That said, our strategy in 2020 is clear: own the relationship, build the brand.

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    In today’s episode, Heidi asks, What do you make a Rand Fishkin statement that in 2020, Google will be our biggest competitor for traffic.

    This is by the way, a blog post over at spark Toro and like at 78 slides side deck that rands been talking about the premises this, thanks to Google’s own properties, such as the Google jobs Google, whether Google Maps etc, combined with what are called informational searches, or zero click searches where type in, for example, weather in Boston, Massachusetts, Google presents an answer there.

    You don’t have to leave Google.

    You can see the answer right on the screen.

    Type in a math calculation type in lyrics to your favorite song and you’ll see results that don’t require a click.

    They don’t send you anywhere.

    And according to rands, best estimates 14% of clicks go back to Google itself in some way.

    And depending on the area in the industry, you can see anywhere from, you know, 10 to 50% of those search results just not send traffic anywhere people to stay on Google.

    And so the question is, Is this correct? Well, yes, the it is correct that the data is something you can’t argue with a whole lot.

    He uses jump shots data, which is third party data, mostly from mobile devices.

    But it’s not wrong.

    What is happening is that Google is attempting to get answers to you faster.

    And in many cases, especially given some of the, shall we say, credibility and trust issues with third party websites, when and where it can.

    Google is providing the information itself or providing summarized information on on its search results so that you don’t go away Anywhere.

    That in turn means that organic search traffic declines for basic informational queries.

    So if we think about the types of search queries that someone’s going to do, there’s really sort of three major types, right? There’s why, what and how.

    And within those, there’s two sort of branches.

    There’s branded and unbranded.

    Let’s say we’re have a coffee shop.

    There really aren’t a whole lot of why search queries that are relevant to a coffee shops ownership, right.

    You don’t need to explain to people why they need coffee.

    You do need to explain why they need your coffee.

    What makes you different.

    There are sort of the what questions what coffees do you have? And then the question is, how do I get to your coffee shop because it’s one of those things that does not appear magically at your house.

    Although I would hope you’re not using like Uber Eats taps on drop off coffee, that’d be crazy wasteful.

    So you have That sort of six box matrix.

    The more in depth a query is a question is, the more likely indicates not only greater thought given to the Korea but also deeper research and deeper content, then it’s going to fit inside of a zero click search, one box search, right? What are your coffee shops hours? That doesn’t require a whole lot of research? Right? Where is your coffee shop? That’s something that Google can provide pretty easily.

    Why should I choose organic, sustainable coffee? From fair trade versus, you know, big box coffee? That’s not an as easy an answer.

    And if that’s a differentiating factor for you, that’s something that definitely belongs on your website, and is definitely something that you would want to compete for when it comes to search results.

    So from a search perspective, from an SEO perspective, you definitely want to Focusing on queries, keywords, phrases, topics, topics, most of all, because of the way Google does natural language processing that can only be served up by you.

    Right? The information is too dense, too verbose, too in depth for someone to just get a very quick answer, you still want to have a quick answer data available, especially if it is transactional data like when is your coffee shop open? Do you necessarily care where you whether you get the clicker not for that? No, you want people to find out that you’re open and come over and buy coffee from us as quickly as possible.

    The second part, and this is the part that I think should be the defining characteristic for all marketers in 2020 is as best as you can own the relationship to your customer.

    So that means two things.

    That means one from a technology perspective, focus on the channels that you own.

    you own your website.

    You own Email, your email list.

    And you own private communities that you administer that are not on a social network.

    I would lump also text messaging and into email anything where there is not an intermediary between you and the customer.

    Those are channels that you own.

    You need to own that relationship.

    So that’s part one of the strategy part two of the strategy is you have to focus on your brand.

    This is something that Brent that Rand also says in his slide deck as well.

    branded search is much more indicative of intent than unbranded search.

    Coffee shop near me, is pretty much up for grabs, right? Your coffee shop, by name, your product line is something where Yes, competitors may be bidding on those keywords or phrases or terms.

    But if somebody is looking for you specifically, they have much stronger intent, right? electric vehicle is one thing looking for a Tesla Model, why is much more indicative like, yes, this person wants this thing by name.

    So to the extent that you can invest in and build the brand that people search for, you will do better across all your channels, you’ll do better across social email, search, you name it.

    People should know who you are.

    When you think about voice, right, these lovely little assistance here.

    These things will deliver up just the first search result.

    Right.

    So if somebody is not searching for you by name, and you should be ranking number one for your name, if you’re not, you have a lot of work to do.

    But this is how you get to win at Voice Search, right? people search for brand and when you search For a brand, if you’re not number one you should be, it should get you to there should get the consumer to you to your website to your properties to something much, much faster.

    So that’s the takeaway here, one on the relationship to build the brand.

    That’s your recipe for success in 2020.

    That’s your recipe for success, and has been really for a few years now.

    But as social networks like Facebook, turn the screws as search engines like Google, turn the screws, you absolutely positively must have these two things in place.

    So that’s your focus.

    That’s my perspective on rands articles.

    He’s not wrong.

    He is not wrong at all his data is not wrong.

    And it would be who’ve all of us to take those two basic strategies, build the brand and add on the relationship? As always, please leave your comments the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Help Articles vs. Blog Posts for SEO?

    You Ask, I Answer: Help Articles vs. Blog Posts for SEO?

    Leanna asks, “What are your thoughts on re-using blog posts for help articles? Are there pros and cons to posting the same content twice? Where is it better to host content to improve SEO? For example, if I want to share content on how to lose weight and we’re a fitness tech company. Would that benefit as a blog post, a help article, or both? The help articles are on Intercom and the blog is on our WordPress site.”

    Help articles, especially hosted in systems like Intercom, are typically not on your domain, yourcompany.com. They’re typically hosted either on a purely internal name like vx72.intercom.com or a subdomain like yourcompany.intercom.com. In any case, none of these benefit you. Your WordPress site presumably is yourcompany.com and that’s where your original content should live. Be sure to topic-optimize by focusing on specific questions and offering detailed answers.

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    In today’s episode Liana asks What are your thoughts on reusing blog posts for help articles out there pros and cons to posting the same content twice? Where is it better to host content to improve SEO for example, if I want to share content on how to lose weight and we’re fitness tech company, would that benefit as a blog post to help article or both? The Help articles are on intercom and the blog is on a WordPress site.

    So help articles like the ones that are hosted in systems like intercom or Zendesk or whatever are typically not on your company’s domain name, right? They’re not on your company.

    com.

    They are typically hosted on either like some purely internal weird name like you know, VX 72 dot com.com.

    Or with some customization on a subdomain like your company intercom com In either case, the content is not hosted on your domain name and your domain name is essentially what tells search engines, hey, this is content that is about us.

    If it’s not hosted on your domain, it doesn’t benefit you.

    So from a purely Where should our best content live? It should be on your domain name, period End of story for that now, I would presume that your WordPress site is your company calm and that’s where your original content should live.

    When it comes to reposting content, repost content only if it allows you to use wherever you’re repurposing, it allows you to use the rel canonical tag.

    This is a tag that goes in the header of your HTML that says hey, actually, the original content is over here.

    Your company com this is just a repost.

    This is especially important for sites like medium.com.

    Again, not your website, not your domain.

    It is better to you can repost content on medium.

    But make sure it has that canonical tag that says actually the real thing is over here at your company com in terms of where what content should be were a big part is going to be determined by customer experience, right? So if your product is is fitness technology, the intercom site would be best suited for very specific tactical questions.

    The ones you get the most often about the product that are that are part of that customer experience like hey, I bought my new fitness tracker and it won’t turn on what am I doing wrong stuff like that.

    And those pieces of content absolutely can be posted to your WordPress site or posted on your WordPress site and I copied and pasted into intercom but you also want to have higher level pieces of content we recommend a very simple framework why what how What why how we either one is fine.

    When you’re writing articles, what is the thing? Why is the thing important? How does the thing work? So if you’re talking about losing weight, what is it? Why is it important? How does it work? Or why is it important? What? What are the things you need? And how do it generally speaking, if you’re selling fitness technology, you’re probably selling some form of activity tracking or measurement, or a recommendation engine that says, hey, time to stand up.

    Again, you know, in a case like that, you’re going to want to take each of the individual features and benefits your product and turn it into one of those why, what how or what, why how frameworks, so that you can say to somebody, this is why this thing is important.

    Pharmaceutical and med tech companies do this a lot because in many cases, they’re not even allowed to advertise their products like they can’t advertise their newest drug.

    So they have to do what’s called disease state awareness where like, Hey, this is the thing.

    What’s your specific take on, say weight loss? And what is it that you do better than the million and a half other solutions that are out there? That’s where you would start your content marketing program with lots of blog posts, in videos and podcasts and all the stuff that you would normally do to build awareness of the problem.

    A impact if the problem is not solved.

    And then the solution right that’s the old Dan Kennedy.

    Direct Mail marketing formula they call it pigs problem impact general solution specific solution and a specific solution, of course is always your product or service.

    So the that’s how to tackle that.

    Make things that are impacting the customer experience going to help system make everything Else go into the content marketing system and cross post if you like but make sure that the the content marketing system hosted on your company’s domain is the single source of truth and is the database of record for all your marketing so that you get credit for it in search engines and so on and so forth.

    So good question.

    important one that because it’s it is very tactical stuff.

    But success in SEO especially, is all about correct, reg rigorous implementation of tactics, right strategy is pretty straightforward.

    rank for terms that are relevant to your audience that will give you business it’s the implementation that’s the hard part.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Testing for BERT?

    You Ask, I Answer: Testing for BERT?

    Mitch asks, “Danny Sullivan says there’s nothing to optimize for BERT – ‘There’s nothing to optimize for with BERT, nor anything for anyone to be rethinking. The fundamentals of us seeking to reward great content remain unchanged.’ – is anyone actually testing for BERT?”

    Danny is fundamentally 100% correct – if you’ve always been creating great, rich content that meets Google’s Expertise-Authority-Trust guidelines then literally nothing changes. The challenge for a lot of marketers is… they’re not. And a lot of the “scalability” tricks people use – like hiring the cheapest outsourced content farms or having the intern crank out swill, or copy-pasting lots of pieces from around the web – all those fall apart more. To put it another way, the great remains great, while the mediocre becomes bad in terms of search performance.

    BERT also changes the game for a lot of low-performing marketers because it’s harder to game. The skills and tools needed to use it and work with it are a step higher than what the average SEO practitioner typically has available.

    So, nothing changes for the best. Life gets worse for the rest.

    We did a test yesterday on a key client page that had lost over 2,000 organic search visits year to date, and ran the process I outlined in the blog post. What we found was that there were a few key topics that weren’t in the page that were prominently in the ranking competitive pages, topics that made logical sense but were just omitted from the original piece (possibly for clarity). So, changes made – now we wait to see what happens.

    Here’s a link to the Trust Insights blog post I wrote on BERT.

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    In today’s episode, Mitch asks, Danny Sullivan over at Google says there’s nothing to optimize for BERT, nor for anyone, anything for anyone to be rethinking the fundamentals of seeking to reward great content remain unchanged.

    And Mitchell’s question, Does anyone else actually testing for BERT? Danny is fundamentally correct.

    If you’ve always been creating great content that is useful or helpful or entertaining, that people like that answers the searchers question, and that means Google’s EA t guidelines, expertise, authority and trust, then yeah, literally nothing changes.

    You’ve been creating great content, you will continue to great create great content and Google will continue to funnel people to your website.

    That doesn’t change.

    The challenge for a lot of marketers is There are not, right.

    A lot of marketing content isn’t very expertly written, isn’t high authority and isn’t trustworthy.

    And so this, the algorithms and things that are are being used, will push people away from your content because it’s not as good as what else is out there.

    That’s, that has been the case for every single one of Google’s algorithm changes over the years.

    And the fact that you know, they’re constantly tuning in real time.

    There’s just not a place in.

    If you’re a marketer who wants to have high performing content and attract a lot of search traffic, there is no place for mediocre content.

    And this certainly is no place for bad content.

    When you read Google Search Quality Rating guidelines, one of the phrases that really sticks out and has stuck out for me, ever since I read it is there’s an entire category of stuff that’s not going to rank well, that says nothing wrong, but nothing special, right? Nothing wrong, but nothing special is a death sentence to your content period.

    It doesn’t matter what era of Google algorithm we’re talking about.

    It means your stuffs not great.

    So the other aspect of this is that there have been a lot of marketers and a lot of search firms to that use.

    They called scalability tricks, and I can scale to any industry.

    And what they do fundamentally is just hire the cheapest outsourced content farms or guest authors or have the interns crank out swell or at worst copy paste paragraphs from you know, different sources around the web, to put together high volume content that’s low quality.

    Anytime you’re dealing with a natural language processing algorithm, especially a deep neural network model, like BERT or XL net or GPT to order Elmo or glove, or whatever, the ones that can see beyond the center so word to phrase to sentence to the paragraph to document, right? I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Google’s ability to use these algorithms extends beyond the sentence level to the document level.

    And in fact, I believe if I’m not mistaken bills Lawsky over it, SEO by the sea has explored some of Google’s patents on this topic.

    All those cheap tricks that people use just to crank out content.

    That’s low quality break more, in when you start using more advanced neural and natural language processing algorithms, the more advanced the algorithm, the more those tricks break because the easier they are to see through you can see this was not written by an expert, or this was written hastily or this was copy pasted together.

    Or this was written by somebody for whom this is not even their first language.

    And so They don’t speak natively and there are at least telltale traces in the content that yeah, this is not this is not look or sound like authoritative content written by an expert with deep subject matter knowledge on the the question being asked to it.

    And you don’t need a ton of content to be able to reflect that right? You don’t need to write 10,000 words to reflect that.

    There will be words and phrases and prepositions and grammatical structures that indicate you know what you’re talking about? Very, very quickly in your writing.

    I compare what your 21 year old intern is going to write about the topic of say, a cardiac devices versus what your chief surgeon is going to write and say, Hey, I need to progress me to you on the latest trends in in cardiac devices.

    You’re going to get fundamentally very different language even in 300 400 500 words, right?That’s about two minutes of somebody speaking, ask your intern to speak for two minutes about cardiac devices, ask your chief surgeon to speak, you’re going to get really different content out of their mouths.

    So BERT changes the game for low performing marketers.

    Because what it does is effectively, it makes the great state great, but it makes the media or really become worse, right in terms of search performance.

    It also changes the game for a lot of low performing marketers because it’s harder to gain right? When you have algorithms that can do reading at the sentence, paragraph and document level.

    It is harder to just add in a couple more keywords.

    Hey, put some more keywords in there.

    In the old days, you know the old joke, an SEO expert walks into a bar Tavern pub, and so on and so forth.

    Those jokes existed for a reason, because that’s what you need to do.

    That breaks down when you’re looking at the document level that breaks down when you’re looking at the paragraph level.

    If it doesn’t read the way, the authorities in the space, right? It will not do well.

    It’s harder to game.

    So Danny is 100%.

    Correct? Nothing to optimize for BERT.

    If your stuff is great if your stuff is not great, there’s a lot to optimize for.

    There’s a lot to improve into images.

    Question Is anyone testing? Yes, we did some testing yesterday on a page that have lost over 2000 visits this year from organic search.

    I ran the process outline in a post over TrustInsights.ai put a link below if you want to read the the 10 step process for this type of optimization.

    And what we found was that there were some key topics and points that were not in the page that were in the competing pages.

    topics that made logical sense but just weren’t in the original piece.

    Maybe for clarity, maybe for narrative flow, whatever the case may be, what was in everything that rank well was not in this target piece.

    So we made some changes.

    Now we wait to see what’s happening.

    And we wait to see how it goes.

    I’m running some tests on my own.

    The transcription software that I use has continued to improve.

    I just did an A B test with a year over year transcript.

    And what is coming out now reads much more naturally, than the way it was transcribing a year ago, I use otter.ai.

    And so for me, I have some work to do to go back and clean up older transcripts, we optimize them to sound more natural.

    So those are some things to think about.

    Again, Danny’s right, great content doesn’t need to change.

    But if your contents not great, it needs to change a lot.

    And for most marketers, that’s a very, very, very long road to all So, great question.

    important question.

    There’s a lot to unpack.

    There’s a lot to watch in this space.

    And you should absolutely be playing with all these natural language processing tools so that you can better understand how they work and apply your learnings to your content.

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