Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • Mind Readings: The Future of Social Listening in the Age of AI

    Mind Readings: The Future of Social Listening in the Age of AI

    In today’s episode, get ready to dive into the future of social listening and discover why the methods you’re using now will soon be obsolete. You’ll learn how large language models are changing the game, why social media companies are guarding their data more closely than ever, and the steps you need to take to adapt your social media strategy. Prepare to be challenged and gain valuable insights that will keep you ahead of the curve!

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    Christopher Penn: In today’s episode, let’s talk about social listening. Social listening, social media listening as we know it, is going to be a thing of the past—for real. Let’s talk about why this might be the case.

    First, let’s define social listening: listening to social media. It is listening to conversations. There are really good tools like Talkwalker, Brand24, etc., that you can use to listen—Sprout Social does this as well; I’ve got their shirt on today.

    What can you listen for? Brand mentions, replies to your stuff, mentions of competitors, trends, ideas, general conversations—there’s a ton of information available to listen to. Humans—we are a font of useful data. These conversations have been used by social media marketers for years now to navigate the landscape, understand share of voice (which is not my favorite measure, but a lot of people still use it), and just get a feel for what people have to say on any given topic.

    Granted, social listening systems have to be fairly robust because there’s a lot of crap. There are a lot of people with some, shall we say, less than correct information, very confidently sharing that information online. But in general, people are really good sources of this kind of data that marketers can use to calibrate their efforts, come up with product ideas, and address market needs.

    So, you’d think the future is bright for social listening—social listening is more valuable than ever. And that’s why it’s going to go away. The culprit: AI models in general. Here’s why:

    Companies that make these massive AI models—OpenAI, Google, Anthropic—they all need data. They’re starving for data, and they’re trying to buy up as much of it as possible. I saw a news article not too long ago; one company was approaching Photobucket—for those folks who were on the internet in the early 2000s, you remember Photobucket. This company was like, “Hey, you’ve got a lot of labeled data, we want to buy it—buy the license to that archive.” I’m thinking, “I remember all the trash people shared on Photobucket. Do you really want that in your model?” But the answer is yes. These companies are starved for more data, and many of them are concerned about running afoul of intellectual property rights laws by using data. So they’re trying as much as they can to get this data legally.

    And the social media companies, the social networks, they don’t have to ask permission to use data because in the terms of service for pretty much every social network in existence, there is a terms of service. And in that terms of service, it says things like, “You give them the right to create derivative works of what you submit” on Facebook, Pinterest, Twitter, YouTube, Snapchat, you name it. An AI model is a derivative work. An AI model is a derivative work of content we share, and we agreed to this when we signed up for Facebook and Instagram and so on and so forth.

    Think about all the content that we have created for these companies. Microsoft bought LinkedIn, and that is obviously going to feed models like the ones that Microsoft is building, that OpenAI is building. Twitter has its decades of data to feed the Grok model. Meta has Facebook and Instagram and Threads and WhatsApp to feed their LLaMA models. Google has YouTube and Gmail, their search catalog, Google Photos—yeah, every time you put a photo on Google Photos, you’re helping train their model—Google Podcasts, you name it, to feed Bard and its other models.

    So why does this matter? Because social networks realize that exporting their social network data fundamentally undermines their ability to make general AI models, to make money on their general AI models. Right? We saw in the last couple years some really big throttling. Twitter just outright canceled its API except for the enterprise version to access their API because they closed the doors on a whole bunch of stuff. Meta recently announced the isolation of its CrowdTangle service, which has been in existence since 2015, that used to give marketers access to raw data from Facebook and Instagram. No more; that door is closed. Microsoft shut down most of the APIs for LinkedIn years ago now and has taken people to court for scraping LinkedIn—it already has many, many safeguards in place to prevent people from scraping data and crawling data. You, for example, try to scrape a bunch of YouTube data—you’ll get locked out, either temporarily or permanently. Don’t ask me how I know.

    Basically, if a social network or any service that relies on user-generated content has data at scale from us, expect them to lock it down. And that also means locking out more and more social listening tools. These companies recognize the value of that data, and they don’t want to give away the little goldmine that they are sitting on.

    So, what does this mean for social media marketers?

    In all likelihood, you’ll be able to keep grabbing data when you post to LinkedIn, Instagram, whatever—you’ll be able to get your information, but the days of endless buffets of broad social media data, data that is not yours, data about what competitors are posting, data that random people post, those days are coming to a close rapidly, as social networks grasp the value of their data and either sell it or make their own models from it. But either way, they’re going to put up as many walls as possible to prevent other people from taking it. And it’s their right, that’s their right—it’s their data. Well, it’s our data, we’ve given it to them.

    So what do you take away from this?

    If you’re a social media marketer, expect it to get harder to get broad data. You may have to come up with your own system for doing that. If you have some skilled programmers, or you’re skilled at using generative AI to write software, you may have to write some workarounds that look at narrow slices and can simulate a human being using a social network. That probably does in many cases violate the terms of service, so be aware that if you do that, you may get kicked off of that social network and banned from it.

    Be aware that that’s probably the direction many things are going to go. That also means that if you have access to data now, you should be hoarding it as much as you can because you may need to make your own models at some point just to be able to predict what happens on a social network once that data gets locked down.

    And if you are a truly enterprising person, you might just make your own social network. Maybe it’s not huge, maybe it’s just a community on Discord, or maybe you clone or fork Mastodon and turn that into something, but you might—if you truly want continued access to data from your audience—you may have to build your own social network to do that. For example, we run the community Analytics for Marketers; it’s a Slack group. Go to TrustInsights.ai/analyticsformarketers to join it. In that Slack group, as an administrator, I can do an administrative export of that data and archive it, and then I can use that data as I need to. Trust Insights owns that community; we own that information. And so the conversations that people have in there, we can use to triangulate and understand our audience better. You’ve got to own that data, you’ve got to own that network to do that.

    So, some thinking for you to do about social media listening. That’s gonna do it for today’s episode. Thanks for tuning in, we’ll talk to you next time. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button, subscribe to my channel if you haven’t already, and if you want to know when new videos are available, hit the bell button to be notified as soon as new content is live.

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  • Mind Readings: Hacking Social Media Algorithms

    Mind Readings: Hacking Social Media Algorithms

    In today’s episode, we debunk the myth of hacking social media algorithms. You’ll learn why chasing secret tricks is a waste of time and how focusing on the fundamentals leads to sustainable success. Discover the key elements the algorithms consider and how to work with them instead of against them.

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    In today’s episode, let’s talk about guessing social media algorithms.

    It’s a Sisyphean task, and if you don’t remember, that means that Sisyphus was the character in Greek mythology who was constantly pushing a boulder uphill only to have it roll back down on him and so on and so forth.

    Chasing the algorithm, chasing Sisyphean tasks like that’s a bad idea.

    One of the persistent thoughts in social media marketing, and this has been the case since the early days, but I heard a lot about it at Social Media Marketing World from various speakers and attendees, is the belief that you can build secret algorithm hacks towards unearned success, right? Trying to find shortcuts, tricks, very reminiscent of Black Hat SEO.

    Let’s find ways to manipulate these things.

    And I get that.

    You know, you want to get to success as quickly as possible.

    The reality is, with social media algorithms, you can’t do that for any meaningful period of time.

    And here’s why.

    The underlying models that power social networks are constantly shifting like sand dunes in a desert.

    Now that people are aware of what a model is, thanks to generative AI, we can talk about this in a more sophisticated way than you and I used to be able to, in the before times before generative AI ate everything.

    Take a tool like ChatGPT.

    It’s got a model underneath it called GPT-4, one of many.

    That model gets updated relatively frequently.

    And you’ve probably had the experience where you were using ChatGPT and it worked well, you found some prompts that worked well, and then one day they didn’t.

    And one day you’re like, “What? What happened?” It’s the same software, it appears to be anyway.

    And then the next day, things don’t work the way they used to.

    The model changed.

    The underlying model changed.

    Now a model like the GPT models that power tools like ChatGPT and Gemini and all these others, those really big, very sophisticated models that require a lot of compute power and as a result, they don’t get updated all that often every few months.

    Older models, models that are recommendation engines based on classical machine learning like social media algorithms, those can update much, much faster.

    Meta of Facebook has said openly in developer interviews and in the Transparency Center on their website that their entire code base for like Facebook, that and the model that powers the recommendation engine updates hourly.

    Hourly.

    Automated AI operations just recompile the code and rebuild the model every hour.

    What does that mean? That one secret Facebook doesn’t want you to know.

    If it ever worked, it stopped working probably an hour later.

    As the model recompiles, it adjusts.

    It’s internal weights.

    It adjusts the things that work and don’t work.

    LinkedIn.

    Same thing.

    LinkedIn’s knowledge graph is a massive, massive multi-petabyte database that spans like seven or eight servers around the planet.

    And the whole thing is kept in memory, at least according to LinkedIn’s operations team.

    So it’s real time or near real time and updates in seconds.

    When you change your LinkedIn profile, a cascade of operations happen that changes your experience on the network plus the experience of your first degree connections.

    Why does this work? Why do these companies do this? Well, the recommendation engines that power social networks, they use very effective but very lightweight techniques to keep their models current on what’s going on.

    So you’ve had this experience.

    If you go onto Instagram and you like a certain type of post, like puppy posts, right? Click on cute puppies.

    Within minutes, your feed changes.

    You’re like, oh, look, more puppies, avalanche puppies, and then start suggesting things like kittens.

    Like, okay, cool.

    You go on LinkedIn, you like a post on AI, and suddenly your feed is filled with AI stuff because the recommendation engine has changed what you see.

    That is a direct response from the model itself that has been updating as you change your behaviors, which means that if you’re a social media marketer, you cannot hack the algorithm, right? You can’t beat it.

    It will just adjust.

    So if you find something that creates anomalous engagement for a little while, but doesn’t trigger the other signals that signify long-term engagement or sustainable engagement, your secret hack will stop working relatively shortly.

    So what do you do? You can’t beat the algorithm.

    Well, you have to learn.

    You have to learn the algorithm.

    You have to learn two things, two and a half things.

    One, what are the inputs to the algorithm? What does the algorithm take into account? And you’ll find this on developer blogs, transparency centers, disclosures, etc.

    Two, what are the outputs? What does the model return? Obviously, it returns recommendations, but it’s not consistently just one way.

    For example, LinkedIn has part of their algorithm says they look for likelihood, to help a creator continue to engage.

    It’s called upstream engagement, which is really interesting.

    This was on the developer blog.

    And so it predicts the success of a post, not just on how your connections and network will interact with you, but how you will interact with LinkedIn, trying to encourage you to create more, to post more.

    If you understand the inputs and you understand the outputs, then you have a blueprint for what to do on social media to be effective, right? Which things to focus on? Which things not to focus on? For example, on Threads, one of the big signals that Threads looks for as a negative is what gets hidden.

    When people hit the hide button, you will see less of that content in your feed.

    If you are a marketer and you’re getting hidden a lot, your engagement is going to go to zero, right? So if you’re creating stuff that people don’t want, that people think is crap, it’s going to go to zero.

    So where do you learn stuff like this? From developer blogs, transparency centers, technical disclosure.

    Podcast interviews.

    Go on the various podcasts about social media marketing.

    Look for and listen for heads of product and developers or systems operations people doing interviews about how the systems work.

    Now, you have to be a bit of a data detective to do this, right? You have to gather information from all the various places and piece it all together.

    But when you do that, when you sew together the available evidence, you have a working picture.

    And that will tell you what works and what doesn’t work on social media.

    So you can’t hack the algorithm, you can’t beat it, but you can, you can understand it and work with it.

    Again, people who’ve been in SEO for any amount of time more than a year, you know this, you know that it’s you can’t beat the machine, but you can give the machine what it wants.

    That’s today’s episode.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Fixing Social Media?

    You Ask, I Answer: Fixing Social Media?

    In today’s episode, Mike questions why social media can sometimes feel like a “dumpster fire.” You’ll explore the role of machine learning algorithms in shaping your social media experience, focusing on engagement metrics like likes, comments, and shares. Discover how your interactions with content dictate what you see more of on your feeds. Tune in to learn how to proactively manage your social media content, ensuring it aligns with your interests and preferences.

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    In today’s episode, Mike asks, why is social media such a dumpster fire? Well, there’s so many ways to answer this question.

    Okay, let’s start here.

    Social media is, or can be a dumpster fire because of the way that the machine learning algorithms behind it work, the way they get data, and then the way they prioritize what they are going to show you.

    Most of the social media networks that exist today have very sophisticated algorithms for choosing what you see.

    And those algorithms are predicated very heavily on engagement, on what you choose to like, to comment, to share, to view fully.

    And in particular for comments, what language you use and what language is in the posts that you are commenting on.

    So if social media feels like a dumpster fire.

    It’s.

    Because your particular slice of the algorithm, your profile has a history of engagement with content that you’ve engaged with and lookalike content, content that’s very similarly themed.

    Let’s say without getting political, let’s say you were, you avidly comment on posts about the Klingon empire, but but you’re you’re, you actively oppose comment comment content about the Romulan empire, right? You’re all for the Klingons, you’re, you’re opposing the Romulans.

    And when you hop onto the social network of your choice and you see a post about the Romulan empire, you’re in there saying, you know, the prayer ship is all this and you know, they’re, they’re, they’re quantum singularity engines are dangerous to the environment and you’re just, you’re hitting the, the engagement button, you’re leaving comments and you’re yelling at people and stuff in the comments.

    What’s happening behind the scenes is that the algorithm is saying, this person really likes this content because they’re engaging with it.

    Heavily.

    Let’s give them more of this.

    They like, they, they engage with the Romulan empire, give them more Romulan empire content, even though you’re there for the Klingons, you know, you’re, you’re engaging with that stuff.

    And so as a result, the algorithm, these algorithms are not software.

    They’re not sentient.

    They have no true intelligence.

    They have no reasoning capability.

    They are just gauging probability.

    What is the probability that you will engage with this piece of content? Facebook, for example, and, and Instagram on their model cards, in their AI systems, they tell you, this is how we do it.

    We look at what you’re likely to engage with them.

    We score based on a bunch of different probabilities, a lot of which is engagement based, and we serve it up to you and more often than not, they’re right.

    So if you’re getting a bunch of stuff in social media that you don’t want, it’s because the algorithms either are looking at your history and saying, well, you like the stuff in the past, I’m going to give you more of it, or they don’t have enough data.

    And so they start essentially serving up semi-random stuff to see what you engage with.

    I’ve noticed this happens a lot.

    For example, on Instagram and threads from time to time, I’ll just get really wacky, random stuff.

    And it’s at that point when I know, okay, the system is trying to, to randomize, to give some random content, to see if I’ll engage with any of it.

    And if so, it knows then to serve me up more of that.

    It’s usually it’s a small amount of tasks, like 5% of the time, which is what you would expect.

    In a machine learning algorithm, that’s going to have some randomization so that you can expand the field of the field of search.

    All this means is that if you’re not getting what you want out of the social media channel of your choice, it’s because you’re not engaging with the stuff that you want, not to victim blame.

    But if you’re seeing only content about the Romulan empire, it’s because that’s what the system thinks you want.

    And if you don’t want that, you have to proactively.

    We go after the content you want.

    If you’re on threads or you’re on Instagram or you’re on LinkedIn and you love Klingons, go search for the hashtag, you know, Klingon empire or chancellor Galbraith or whatever, and like that stuff, share it, comment on it, you know, do everything you would expect to do from the content that you want to see more of so that the algorithm behind the scenes goes, Hey, this person’s engaging a lot with the Klingon empire.

    Engagement is one of our key performance indicators.

    Let’s serve them up more Klingon empire content, see how they engage with it.

    And in doing so that you will get more of what you want.

    Again, these things are not sentient.

    They have no way of knowing what you really want.

    They can only guess based on past data.

    So the good and the bad of it is that you are in charge of what you get on social media.

    There are on many systems, preference panels say, I want to see content on these topics, or I don’t want to see content on these topics.

    Use those, take advantage of those, and then just mash that like button on everything that you want to see more of an actively go search out for the things you want.

    If you want to see content about puppies, there’s no George of it.

    You just start searching for hashtags.

    And then as soon as you see, you know, that cute dog, you know, riding a duck or whatever, you hit the like button and you feed the machine learning algorithms, what the, the data they need.

    To make probability judgements along what you want more of part of the reason that we, things like misinformation and disinformation and fake news and this are so popular and works so well is because people engage with it.

    It’s that simple people engage with it.

    They hit like button or they comment on it, things that make people angry or afraid it works, it gets engagement and there’s no, if you look at the mathematics behind any kind of recommendation engine, there is absolutely no moral encoding.

    They are amoral.

    They have no morals.

    They only do what they’re told.

    They only serve up more of what is probabilistically chosen that a user is going to engage with, whether or not it’s good for them, whether or not it’s true, whether or not it is a benefit to society or not.

    These systems are not tuned for that.

    It would be very hard for these systems to even be tuned for that because you would have to have an agreement on what is valuable for society, right? If you love Klingons and you hate Romulans, there’s probably someone, you know, a member of the Tal Shiar from the Romulan Empire that’s all in on Romulus and Remus and they’re like, “Oh, those Klingons, they’re bad for society.” And there’s no agreement.

    And so these amoral systems simply just give us more of what we want.

    So if you want social media to be less of a dumpster fire, you have that power to a great degree.

    I have taken systems like Instagram or Threads or LinkedIn and five minutes a day of just liking things that I want within a week.

    Totally different experience.

    Totally different experience.

    I see much less of what I don’t want.

    YouTube, same thing.

    It takes a minute to right click on a video and say, I don’t I’m not interested in this.

    And suddenly the algorithms change and it’s more and more of what I want.

    These tools are a lot like the the fairy tale fable genie’s gin in Arabic that give you what you ask for.

    And the cautionary tale in all those old stories is be careful what you ask for because you will get it.

    And algorithms and machine learning and AI are very much like that.

    If you ask for it, you will get it, even if you realize later on, maybe I didn’t want that.

    So you have to be very conscious, very mindful, very thoughtful about what you want more of in your life.

    And the tools will help you get that.

    They will also help you get more of what you don’t want in your life if you engage with it.

    So really good question.

    And we could spend a whole lot of time on this, but I would strongly encourage you to go check out the model cards, the AI model cards for any social network that you use of any reputable social media, social media company will publish their model cards to summarize at a high level how their systems work.

    Read through them, read through them.

    So do you understand this is how it knows to give me more of X and less of Y? That in turn will make you happier and will give you a much better experience.

    Thanks for asking.

    Talk to you next time.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Is Organic Social Media a Marketing Channel?

    You Ask, I Answer: Is Organic Social Media a Marketing Channel?

    Theresa asks, “What’s your actual position on whether or not social media is a marketing channel?”

    In this video, I answer a question from the Agorapulse Great Debate: is organic social media a marketing channel? Note that this is not a question about whether organic social media works or not – that’s not debated. It’s whether it falls into the marketing channel category or not. Watch the video to find out more.

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    In today’s episode, Theresa asks, What is your actual stance on whether or not social media organic social media is a marketing channel or not? This is a follow on to the Agorapulse great debate about organic social media and whether it is a marketing channel or not in that debate, I was assigned the position of against that organic social media is not a marketing channel.

    This happens to coincide with what I actually believe that it’s not a marketing channel.

    And here’s why.

    Organic social media is an umbrella term for a bunch of very, very disparate products and services, right? You of course, have the obvious things like Facebook, for example, or Instagram, but you also have stuff like Slack or Discord, or Tiktok, or YouTube, take your pick of the gazillion and a half different apps that all fall under the social media umbrella, here’s an easy way to to look at the products that go into a product like Agorapulse.

    And you’ll see in there all the different social networks that connects to so why can’t we call this a marketing channel? Because there’s no way do apples to apples on anything in there, right? If you go in and you look right, Slack Discord like yeah, these are powerful tools for social media communities or managing social media communities, and they work great Facebook groups, similar LinkedIn groups, etc.

    How do you do an apples to apples comparison with that and say, Tiktok? Right? How do you even do an apples to apples comparison with say Facebook and YouTube? Right? Facebook says a video of viewers three seconds, YouTube says a video viewers 30 seconds.

    So you can’t even compare apples to apples in the same kind of format.

    When you look at a marketing channel, the purpose of a marketing channel is to deliver information and possibly enable the sale of goods to consumers within that channel, right? How do you how you deliver products and services and goods to someone in a Discord server versus on your Tiktok profile, totally different, totally different can even use even the same copy, you have to transform into different media formats.

    compound that with the fact that organic social media really is kind of a horizontal, right? If you’re good at it, you can use it at every stage of the customer journey.

    You can use it for awareness, you can use it for consideration.

    You can use it for purchase enablement, right.

    You can buy stuff right off of Instagram, you can use it for customer service and reputation management, evangelism, things like that there have been any number of companies that have bought software that does employee advocacy on social media programs, a marketing channels purpose.

    And design intent is for marketing, right? It’s not for sales, right? You can’t use display ads for customer service, just just not a thing.

    And yet, when we talk about whether or not social media is a marketing channel on when we treat it, like an aggregated marketing channel, we’re kind of lumping all that stuff in together.

    And that’s not what a marketing channel is.

    It’s important to distinguish that we’re saying I’m saying that organic social media is not a marketing channel, that is not the same as saying it’s ineffective, right.

    I think during the debate, people got kind of confused.

    That saying was bad or that was ineffective.

    And yeah, if you’re bad at it, it’s ineffective.

    But if you’re bad at anything, it’s ineffective.

    But the question was, the debate was is a marketing channel? Not whether it’s good or not, not whether it’s effective or not, it is effective in the right hands.

    So social media is very effective.

    It’s just not a marketing channel.

    And again, it for me it comes down to, can you do apples to apples comparisons of the strategies, tactics, execution and measurement of disparate social channels? The answer is no, you can’t.

    You can do subsets right.

    Realistically, every individual service in social media is a marketing channel, right? Instagram is a marketing challenge.

    You can do an apples to apples comparison of an influencer program on Instagram with your your company’s Instagram brand profile, that is a sensible way to do apples to apples, which is getting better engagement, it’s the same kind of engagement, same definitions for what constitutes a view, etc.

    But when you’re trying to do cross channel measurement in social media, it’s really difficult.

    How do you measure the impact of Instagram? And how is it different from how you measure the impact of slack or Telegram, right, or Wechat or WhatsApp? They’re all social media.

    But they’re not all the same.

    And the measurement among them is not apples to apples.

    So from that debate, no organic social media is not a channel and critically, if you are treating it as a channel and lumping all the data together and measuring to get together, you are probably unfairly boosting underperforming channels and unfairly penalizing your over performing channels within on social media, so Don’t lump it all together, be very granular with it and you’ll, you’ll get more success out of your social media efforts because you’ll focus on what’s working for you within the umbrella term of social media.

    Good question.

    As you heard, we had quite a debate about it, and I hope that you give it some thought and how you measure it and manage your social media.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Instagram Algorithm Changes?

    You Ask, I Answer: Instagram Algorithm Changes?

    In this episode, Christopher Penn responds to a question about whether Instagram is changing its algorithm again. He explains that social media algorithms change very rapidly and frequently, often hourly, due to reinforcement learning mechanisms. Therefore, any sneaky tricks or secrets about Instagram’s algorithm do not last long. Instead, the key to success on social media is to focus on engagement with your audience, as this is what these AI-based systems favor. So, while Instagram is likely changing its algorithm again, the sustainable advantage lies in connecting with your audience, rather than trying to game the algorithm. If you want to hear more about this topic, check out the full video and hit the subscribe button.

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    In today’s episode Meena asks, I heard Instagram is changing its algorithm again, is this true? I saw posted in a group on Facebook about this.

    Okay, so this is kind of tricky when it comes to big technology companies, big social networks and their algorithm changes.

    These algorithms change very, very rapidly, not a once a quarter or something like that they are because they’re powered by a lot of reinforcement learning mechanisms.

    They change very fast Facebook in one of its operations, blog posts about how they run Facebook said their news feed algorithm, the model underlying it recompiles hourly, hourly, which means that the Facebook that you used before lunch and the Facebook you use after lunch are technically different pieces of software.

    Because remember, when we’re talking about machine learning and artificial intelligence, a model is just a piece of software that was written by a machine, not a human.

    So when Facebook says their their model refreshes every hour, they’re releasing a new version of Facebook every hour.

    And very likely the same is true of any of these major social networks with the exception being maybe some old ones.

    Recently, Twitter open source does recommendation algorithm and when you look at the code that was released a good chunk of it, it does not include the model itself, right? It incorporates all the stuff around the model, but not the model itself, for obvious reasons.

    It contains a lot of sensitive and private information.

    But there’s a good chance that model recompile is on a fairly regular and frequent basis as well.

    So all these things recompile very, very frequently.

    And now the intent of a post like that, really is to say like, here’s some new advice about what’s working on Instagram right now.

    There are obviously best practices that will get you at least the bare minimums of competency at Instagram, but because these models change so fast, any sneaky trick, gotcha inside, secret, etc.

    These things they don’t last, and they don’t last because the model is constantly retuning itself.

    So this is this is how this goes, right? There is no sustainable advantage in working with a lot of these AI based systems because they, they recompile so fast.

    So instead, you really should be focusing on the stuff that doesn’t change or the stuff that doesn’t change the people, the human beings, right.

    If you are in touch with your fans in touch with your audience, delivering to them what they want, on a regular and frequent basis, there’s a good chance that they’ll see it, and they’ll engage with it.

    And that will help boost up your other content.

    Engagement really is the name of the game for pretty much everything in social and search in anything AI based.

    Because all these companies have built in incentives in their models to say we want to favor things that get big engagement.

    So if you and your customers or your colleagues or whoever can get engagement on your content, in general, it’s going to do better, and it’s going to provide sort of a halo effect around your other content as well.

    So is Instagram changing his model again? Yes, it changes it probably hourly.

    Is does that give you some kind of sustainable advantage? No.

    And should you be on the lookout for little tricks and things that work? Probably not.

    Because if something is goes really, really well like it’s super anomalous, because of a change in the software.

    It’s very every possibility that software change will be gone in an hour.

    So good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • Mind Readings: Paid Services That Should Be Included

    Mind Readings: Paid Services That Should Be Included

    In this video, Christopher Penn discusses the new trend of public social networks and SaaS based services offering more paid services to generate revenue. He questions the companies’ motivation for moving security behind a paywall and notes that it may compromise data security for non-paying customers. The video suggests exploring alternative social media platforms like Mastodon, Slack, Telegram, and Discord, where the revenue model is clear and basic account security is built-in. The video serves as a warning to consumers to be cautious of public social media companies that are primarily focused on making money from their users.

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    In this episode, let’s talk about a different and new phenomenon that we’re seeing with public social networks and with other SAS based services.

    So you may have seen recently in the in both on Facebook and on Twitter that these companies are now starting to offer more paid services or more things included with paid memberships that come across as kind of, kind of almost not scammy, but definitely poorly thought out.

    So this past week, Twitter started sending notices to people who have two factor authentication turned on their accounts, saying that two factor authentication would only be available to paying members of the Twitter blue membership.

    Now, if you recall, two factor authentication, which is where you have a password, and then something like a SMS message or in authenticator app or whatever, is a way for you to make your account more secure.

    On the premise that even if someone compromises your password, if they don’t have the app, or they don’t have access to your your text line, they cannot access your account.

    And it’s a very common place.

    system of authentication is a very good system of authentication, that does dramatically improve security.

    And it is ironic that the new management at Twitter would make a judgment like this study a core security feature designed to reduce fraud designed to reduce accounts being compromised and boded etc, we’ll get moved behind a paywall when said new management was talking not so long ago about the problem with bots and things on Twitter as a justification for not wanting to go through with the deal.

    So clearly, this is not a a management that is used to consistency of message.

    But they’re not the only ones.

    This past week, Facebook announced that they were rolling out the meta verified program as well, where for $15 a month, you could get a blue checkmark on your profile, enhance security features, and so on and so forth.

    And both of these platforms announcing these services.

    It’s understandable why why someone would be doing this.

    After all, as advertising dollars soften, which we saw in the fourth quarter on several earnings calls, these companies are naturally looking for more revenue, and what better source of revenue than to get people to pay for your services directly.

    This raises an interesting challenge, though, because for the longest time, it has been something of a truism that if you are not paying you are the product, right? If you are participating on social media, you are the product that is sold to advertisers.

    And now you are still the product being sold to advertisers in Twitter in its Twitter blue benefits statement says that you will see 50% fewer ads, but you will still you are still being sold to advertisers.

    And of course Facebook has announced that these measures don’t improve, you know, your account performance or anything, they only for security and validation that you are you are who you say you are.

    And so it now creates this interesting conflict of interest where yes, you are the product, but you are also the customer.

    And it remains to be seen how widely adopted these these measures are.

    When you look at another service, say like YouTube premium or YouTube premium you buy essentially no ads, you buy that so that you don’t see advertising anymore at all.

    And that’s on a per account basis.

    So if you happen to have, you know, several YouTube accounts, you will still see ads on your other accounts students, you have to buy it for each account if you don’t want to see ads.

    Same is true for Spotify.

    If you if you pay for the upgrade, you get no ads.

    And so I think people will be watching in with close interests to see how many consumers choose these options.

    The reduced ads or just the blue checkmark as the almost a status symbol does have some weight with some consumers, but not with all of them.

    More to the point though, it is concerning from a data security perspective that a service would essentially sell something that keeps that service safer.

    And when you think about it, it is inherently in that services best interest, so keep their platform secure.

    But by moving security behind a paywall they are effectively saying we are okay with a certain percentage of users being less safe because they’re not paying customers.

    And as a result again, it changes that balance of power to say okay, if you are not paying then you really are I sort of the the bottom of the barrel.

    But even if you are paying, you are still not a premier customer, right you are still not entitled to the benefits that other paying customers on other platforms receive.

    So what do we take of this? What do we make of this one? If you haven’t already, it’s probably time to look at other platforms, right look at a platform like Mastodon look at a platform.

    Any of the other platforms that are being developed, that will be alternatives to the mainstream social media sites.

    Look at private social media.

    Go look at Slack and telegram at Discord.

    Discord in particular because Discord revenue model is super clear.

    Slacks revenue model is super clear, right slack charges you per seat.

    There is no ads at all of any kind.

    Same is true on Discord.

    You pay for your nitro subscription.

    But there’s no ads period you pay for nitro because you want to use more emoji and have to upload larger files.

    As public social networks and many tech companies in general, start realizing that basic economics still applies to them.

    And they have to make up money where they can that will naturally push consumers who are not used to paying for these things to different services where the economics are, are pretty clear.

    You know what you’re getting when you buy it.

    And you know that some stuff like basic account security is built right.

    And in fact, I was seeing I saw the other week that for certain accounts I know on Hubspot and on Slack.

    And I believe on Discord.

    Now to depending on the server by server, you’re required to have to fire two factor authentication just to be able to use the service for those sensitive situations.

    So the takeaway is beware of these public social media companies, right? They still have absolutely no interest in you other than how much money they can make on you.

    And their lack of care and their lack of security overall, and their willingness to essentially almost blackmail here for basic account security should be a good indicator that it’s time to move on.

    It’s time to move on from them and go to greener pastures where you and I as consumers are more respected.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Proving Algorithmic Understanding?

    You Ask, I Answer: Proving Algorithmic Understanding?

    Christopher Penn discusses the importance of testing assumptions in social media algorithms, using machine learning and data science tools. To understand the impact of hashtags on reach and engagement, for example, one would download all of their Twitter data and run a statistical analysis to determine if there is a significant effect. Penn emphasizes the importance of testing assumptions using a large and well-balanced dataset, ideally one’s own or one’s competitor’s data, to draw accurate conclusions. Testing is key to understanding the true impact of different social media strategies, and ultimately, improving marketing performance.

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    Jen asks a follow up question from a previous episode of the Trust Insights livestream on social media algorithms.

    She asks, How do we know that the conclusions? For example, hashtags do or don’t matter for retweeting or for visibility? How do we know that that’s a true statement? The answer is, you test, you build models to test those assumptions.

    And the way to do that is using machine learning using some data science tools to prepare the data.

    And then machine learning to build models that are statistically valid, statistically accurate.

    To understand the outcome, I’ll walk you through this pretty briefly, let’s say we want to test to see if using too many hashtags dampens our reach on Twitter, how would we know? Well, to start, you would download all of your Twitter data, right? You would maybe spend a week, a couple of weeks doing tweeting with extra hashtags, maybe instead of one hashtag, you put in three, or four or five, you vary it up, but it’s more than what you usually do.

    And then at the conclusion of that period, you would take all of your existing data, maybe six months worth of data.

    And using either causal inference or causal inference with Bayesian static time series modeling, or propensity score modeling, you would essentially say, Here’s my treatment period, this is the period of time when I applied this treatment, I used double the number of hashtags to triple the number of hashtags.

    And here’s my control period of the past six months worth of data, these software packages will say great, let’s take a look at everything else that is in this dataset.

    And then look at our treatment period d noise any variations or any variability that that is statistically present in both sets, you know, sort of the things you would have happened anyway, business as usual.

    And then from the remainder say, Okay, this is the, the impact of the treatment of the change that you made.

    These techniques, these these datasets, techniques are very common, they are very common, particularly in things like biostatistics, where you’re taking an actual medication, and you’re applying it to some people and you’re applying a placebo to other people.

    In doing so, because you can’t AB test a person might you can’t split that person in half and give half the person one treatment and half the person not.

    You try to find people who are similar to that person in age, physical condition, maybe ethnicity, things like that, you try to control for as many variables pot as possible.

    And you have control group and you have a test group, the exact same thing applies when you’re testing out a social media algorithm, maybe you and five or six other social media managers all team up and you run a test together.

    Or maybe you download very large datasets from bunches of different accounts, if it’s on a network where you can do so like Tiktok, were Twitter.

    And you run those models.

    And you see, is that statistically valid? is the number of hashtags does that change? The reach or the engagements of these different accounts? That’s how you draw those conclusions.

    When I ran those tests to see if the number of hashtags impacts the level of engagements, which is a proxy for reach, because no one can engage if they don’t reach them? The answer was, it had almost no effect it was there was no statistically relevant effect over it was three and a half million tweets.

    So as certainly a large enough sample size to look at people who used two or fewer hashtags, or people who use more than two hashtags in a in a treatment, and it didn’t really matter, there was no difference.

    The same thing was true for other things like time of day and day of week.

    So to answer John’s question, you have to test your assumptions using the data that you have available to ideally a lot of it, ideally, data to well balanced, that is that has the ability to remove noise or remove effects in the data that could be causing accuracy issues, remove covariance, for example, and correlates.

    But in doing so, you can ask the questions of the data that you want to know.

    And what’s critically important is you want to run this ideally on your data, or your data, MAE and maybe your competitors data, because as we know, for particularly things like social networks, where there are these graph networks, and they’re things can happen and phenomena that can happen locally within part of the network.

    That is not true for the network as a whole.

    You want to run this with your data to see if there’s something that is true about you and your peers and your competitors.

    That might not be true about a Kardashian as an example.

    Those people and and people outside your industry, maybe they’re going to have different types of interactions and their portion of the network.

    So build your models, test your assumptions, look for those statistical outcomes that tell you that something does or does not matter, and then apply the appropriate strategies.

    Good question.

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    This week, I’m going to share an interesting experience I’ve had. Last weekend, one of my friends, Siwa, reached out and asked if I’d take a look at some data that she and some of her friends were trying to process for a cause they cared about, trying to help build awareness and advocacy for a streaming network to pick up Season 3 of the TV series Warrior Nun, which was formerly produced by Netflix before it was canceled.

    I do enjoy a good chart, even on a Saturday night, so I agreed and got introduced to a couple of her friends who happened to run, among other things, a Discord community in support of this cause. One thing led to another and I had joined their Discord server to see what was happening.

    First, I asked some questions like, what’s the point of the campaign? What’s the goal? And critically, what data do you have? The campaign was working with mostly Twitter data, which told the story of a passionate community rallying around an entertainment franchise that in many ways represented them to some degree.

    A brief aside about representation. It sounds all fuzzy and fluffy and new-age. But representation is a real, important, useful thing. When you see someone who looks like you, talks like you, or lives like you doing things you didn’t know you could, it’s inspiring. It’s important. When you see someone of your background in places of power, it gives you hope that you, your friends, and others like you can also achieve those great things. It’s nice to say “anyone can do X”, but it’s much more reassuring to see an example has been set, and a path defined that you can follow. For the fans of Warrior Nun, especially people who identify as female and non-straight, it is a franchise that’s powerful and emotionally moving to them.

    So, what I found in joining this community was two things, two situations that are VERY common. First, they had some data but not other data. That’s fairly easily remedied if you have the right tools and access to data. But the second thing was far more important: bringing the data to life in meaningful and powerful ways.

    Data for data’s sake is a waste of everyone’s time. It’s like stockpiling ingredients and never cooking anything. But when you put data to work, it’s as valuable as gold. Let’s look at a couple of examples. First, here’s a simple chart of how many tweets have been sent by the campaign, using Talkwalker’s excellent media monitoring software:

    6 million+ tweets

    That’s fairly impressive, right? After all, in this day and age in public social media, getting people to do ANYTHING besides argue with each other is an accomplishment. But what do you do with that information?

    Inside each tweet, inside any social media post, is a treasure trove of information. It contains names, dates, content, topics, hashtags, times, and mentions of other people. When you deconstruct the data, there’s a lot to take action on. For example, the campaign wanted to branch out to reach people on other platforms, and with good reason. How would you go about doing that?

    I wrote some code one night while laying in bed (as one does) to parse the Twitter bios of everyone using that hashtag and did some simple filtering. Which Twitter bios had mentions of TikTok, Twitch, Instagram, etc.? That information then gets handed off to the appropriate outreach team. Suddenly, data that was static, unmoving, is now in motion. Someone’s going to DO something with the data. Siwa, who’s a Twitch streamer, suddenly had a list of people to reach out to and connect with who also supported the movement. Now instead of just a chart or a table, we’ve converted data into action.

    The movement also needed information, data on ways to prove the value of continuing the franchise, should another platform choose to invest in it. Social media data is fine, but we all know a hefty amount of it can be faked. Everyone and their cousin has gotten that bizarre Twitter reply from some account with a name like eggPlantMicroscope237811. 6 million Tweets in less than 30 days is cool, but what else could we find that would prove the value of the franchise to a potential acquirer, which is the stated intent of the campaign?

    This is where data like search data comes in handy, something we work with a lot at Trust Insights. Search data is different than social media data. It’s more valuable in some ways because we search for things all the time we wouldn’t ask other people. Sometimes we wouldn’t even confess to some of our searches under duress. But search engines and SEO tools? They know that information. They understand that intent. So I decided to grab a basket of terms about the show, like the show name itself, Warrior Nun, along with intent-based terms like “watch Warrior Nun”, “stream Warrior Nun”, “Warrior Nun season 2”, etc.

    If the goal was to prove to another platform that the audience was growing, was a worthwhile investment, then search volume could tell us that. After all, you could get a small but loud band of people to make a bunch of noise for a short period of time, but faking search data to the planet’s search engines is much, much harder. So I put the keyword list through our predictive analytics platform and forecast out a year and change ahead to see what the future might hold:

    Warrior Nun search volume

    That’s a lot of forecasted growth. The movement’s been on the rise for some time. Contrast that with a Netflix show that didn’t get cancelled, You:

    You search volume

    While this show objectively has more search volume, the chart is headed in the wrong direction. You don’t need to be a data scientist to figure out that investing in growth is probably the better idea. If I were a betting man, I’d bet on that first chart before I bet on the second chart, because there’s a fanbase that can grow substantially.

    This data brings the movement to life in a credible way that a lot of noise on social media may not; some folks understand search better than social media, even though both are forms of communication. When you see two sets of signals together indicating growth and dedication, it’s worth paying attention to.

    Finally, the movement needed help getting more granular data and visualizing it. They have catchphrases, little slogans, for each day of the campaign. The challenge is, social networks – Twitter in particular – are rather… parsimonious with their data. You can extract it if you can ask for small bits of it very frequently. But ad hoc data pulls can be very challenging – you hit query limits very, very quickly.

    Fortunately, I’ve dealt with Twitter’s painful limits even before the change in management. So I set up a batch process on my spare laptop to query the API every five minutes, extracting the data one tiny piece at a time, and then wrote a piece of code to sew all the data back together. The result?

    Twitter by hour

    Instead of being stuck with day level data, we had hour level data visualized really nicely. Each phrase and how quickly it decayed over time; some content stuck around longer than other content did. What does this data show? A highly engaged, highly-motivated, and highly-focused fan base. If you’re a marketer trying to grow your streaming service’s appeal, do you want passive or active customers?

    As a marketer, I want active customers. I want customers who are evangelists, because in this day and age of private social media communities where my software can’t see or monitor conversations, I need customers speaking on my behalf. I need customers who are ambassadors, bringing my brand into places where I, as a marketer, am probably not wanted. Seeing an audience as engaged and as focused on spreading messages as the Warrior Nun community is? That’s inspirational as a marketer because that’s an army that will help me grow my streaming platform. They’re a force multiplier – every dollar I spend on marketing could be multiplied to the same effect as a hundred dollars of spend.

    I’d imagine my participation in this campaign raises several questions. First, what’s in it for me? After all, it’s not like this is paying work (which is why I was doing it at night, so as not to take time away from Trust Insights’ paying clients). Partly because a close friend asked for help, and to the best of my ability I try to help my friends. But above and beyond that (though that’s a good enough reason), there’s something about movements and causes that makes it worth my time – and possibly yours.

    In the course of our work as marketers, our regular work, we end up – by design – doing a lot of the same things. That’s a good thing – recall last week’s issue about best practices and recipes. You want to be following the recipes, standard operating procedures, etc. You want to create reproducible results as much as possible. But one of the criticisms of best practices that’s valid is that they don’t lend themselves to innovation. That’s true.

    And that’s where doing something like volunteering for a campaign or a movement comes into play. Donating my efforts is risk-free to me. I can break stuff. I can write code that’s on shaky ground. I can try new things. I can work with data I don’t usually work with, or use data and tools I do work with in new, different ways, in a different industry, to different kinds of stakeholders than I normally work with.

    For example, during this campaign, I ran into a few different bugs with Twitter’s API, and some of the coding solutions I had to come up with were novel, techniques I’ve never used before. Now that I know them, I have them in my toolkit for when similar situations occur in the future, possibly for paying clients.

    I had to level up my skills with ggplot in the R programming language to make visualizations that were more on-brand with the rest of the campaign, going from stock business print-ready white charts to dark mode charts optimized for online consumption. That was a whole new avenue to explore and again, one that I’ve now got for when I need to create content like that.

    But more than anything, the passion and energy of the Warrior Nun fandom brilliantly illustrates that organic social media can still work, and that’s been the most eye opening lesson for me in all this. When we post business content, it gets what? A few likes? Maybe a dozen retweets? A hundred on a great day? When you have a highly engaged, energized, focused community, you see the power of people really working together. I put up two tweets with some of these visualizations and they earned more visibility and engagement in 6 hours than literally my entire Twitter account for three years. THREE YEARS.

    We often hear platitudes from social media marketing folks that organic social still works, but I’ll be honest. I’d given up on it. I’ve never seen firsthand, never been a part of something firsthand where it did work, where it fulfilled the dreams that the marketing gurus have been promising for years now. Until a community of people decided they needed to get the message out and turned the dials to 11, overwhelming AI and algorithms in every direction. And social media works when you have a movement behind it, when a community decides it is going to be heard no matter what. It’s been inspirational, to say the least.

    Finally, what’s one of the most fun and interesting things when you change jobs? That’s right. You get to meet a whole new bunch of people, learn from them, see things in a different light. But over time, as you get settled in, that wears off – as it should. You have, as mentioned, new standard operating procedures to follow, and your innovation, your knowledge gaining starts to slow down. When you join a movement like this? It’s all the benefits of changing jobs with none of the pain (or the pay). You meet new people from all walks of life, you make connections you’d never make in a regular job, and you get tons of new ideas to work with.

    I hope this tour of my time in a movement inspires you to do something similar in your own career. It doesn’t have to be this movement – it can literally be anything where you can step outside the ordinary. You may find it incredibly rewarding, as I have.

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    A lot of folks spilled a lot of digital ink this week about the change of management at Twitter. While that’s certainly a discussion topic, there’s a bigger picture angle here: the demise of the watercooler.

    As media continues to fragment, there are fewer and fewer places that serve as central points of cultural synchronicity. By that, I mean media and culture we all have in common. In the questionable old days, there were very few media outlets – your local newspaper, the local radio station or two, and three TV channels. For good or ill, almost everyone had the same mass-produced cultural point of view, even when it was horribly repressive, racist, and sexist.

    As time has gone by, we’ve added more and more media. Cable TV brought us dozens of choices, and then the Internet made those choices effectively infinite – and bidirectional. We weren’t just media consumers; many of us became media producers. The moment you post on a blog, a video hosting site, a podcast, or on social media, you’re a media producer (quality irrelevant).

    In the early days, public social media – like MySpace, Twitter, Friendster, etc. – became cultural watercoolers where people could gather. They were loud, confusing, rowdy, and contentious. Like BBSes and forums before them, fights were frequent and could get ugly, but those spaces still allowed for a lot of serendipity, a lot of meeting new folks that you otherwise would not.

    Mired by scandals like Cambridge Analytica, politicians behaving badly, hostile foreign powers co-opting systems to undermine adversaries, and many other issues, public social media channels have become less and less like watercoolers over time, and that trend is accelerating with the changes in public social media. For example, after recent management changes at Twitter, usage of racial slurs accelerated by 10x:

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    That sort of thing causes people to leave public spaces for greener pastures. Those pastures are private communities like group chats, Slack, Discord, and other private social media communities have fulfilled that role for many people. Now, instead of dealing with random, hostile people in public spaces, you can hang out with like-minded people in private spaces. This phenomenon is something I talked about in the Members Only paper I shared a few months ago.

    The consequence of an increasingly fragmented media space, where people (and their attention) is more diffuse than ever, is that lack of a cultural touchstone. As groups become more insular and polarized, we have fewer and fewer ways to bridge those differences. Should you choose to, you could set up your life easily today to never see, hear, or think about anything you don’t agree with, surrounded by like-minded people all the time.

    None of this should be news. We have been talking about the fragmented media landscape for a quarter of a century now. But the pace of fragmentation is accelerating. For example, every Discord server is its own community, a closed group of people interacting with each other in ways that are not visible to the outside world unless you’re a member of the group. Take a look at how many Discord servers have been created in the last couple of years:

    Discord servers by public link

    That’s thousands or even tens of thousands of new communities every month.

    Every time a new private social media community is stood up, public social media takes a hit. Why? Because the time we spend in these private communities, these velvet rope communities, is time we’re not spending at the public watercoolers. It’s time we spend with people we have affinity towards – and away from the prying eyes of advertising technology.

    The watercooler is gone.

    What does this mean for us marketers? The short version is that in a fragmented media landscape, we can’t be everywhere. We can’t even be most places. So we have to find the places where our best users are and invest in those places. That requires market research, requires asking our existing best customers where they spend their time online, and figuring out how to integrate those places and cultures into our marketing.

    It means embracing the current new media model, which is creator-led. The creator economy is booming; MrBeast on YouTube earns $54 million on content alone, according to Fortune Magazine. As the media landscape fragments, we can’t rely on a channel – Twitter, Facebook, etc. – for our marketing opportunities. People aren’t tuning into a channel. They’re tuning into creators, into people, into individual media properties. We’ve seen this trend for the last 10 years, highlighted by folks like Tom Webster at Sounds Profitable who has said people don’t listen to podcasts, they listen to specific individual shows. This holds true across the new media landscape.

    If we are to advertise, we advertise on public channels that lead to creator communities. For example, a creator has a public broadcast outlet of some kind – YouTube, Twitch, Tiktok, etc. – and then motivates people to private communities like Discord, Slack, Patreon, OnlyFans, etc. If we know specific creators have our audience, we can market to their public audience in their creator spaces. However, it might be more productive to simply sponsor specific creators, rather than target entire media properties as a whole.

    One key, undiscussed aspect of these changes is that today’s influencer marketing identification tools are woefully underpowered for detecting this kind of influence. It’s harder than ever to effectively measure influencers, and that’s only going to get worse before it gets better.

    Media fragmentation inherently means more polarization and insulation, which are societally detrimental. However, they also mean more focused groups of people, and for the purposes of reaching very specific groups of folks, this is a silver lining. The absence of cultural touchstones also means we can no longer bank on generic, general content and creative; what we create as marketing has to be as specific as our audiences are becoming.

    The big public watercooler is gone, and in its place are a million new ones, smaller ones, located all over the place. Our job as marketers is to show up respectfully at the right ones, listen carefully, and participate when we have something of value to contribute to the conversation. If we do this right, we embrace the new media landscape and continue to be effective. If we do this wrong, we will be exiled and lose access to our audiences, perhaps permanently.

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    You Ask, I Answer: In House vs Agency KPIs?

    Mara asks, “Can you touch upon expectations of an in-house marketer has on Social Media, vs Agency, like in terms of content and KPI’s for example?”

    The expectations for an in-house marketer and an agency should be the same in terms of content and KPIs. The main difference is in resourcing. An employee costs less than an agency, but an agency should be able to generate more results. The key is to have clear KPIs that are aligned with the business goals.

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    In today’s episode Mara asks, Can you touch upon expectations of an in house marketer has on social media versus agencies like in terms of content and KPIs.

    I would say the expectations are or should be the same, which is some kind of result, depending on what the mandate of social media is, will determine the metrics.

    For example, if brand awareness is your KPI, then in your marketing mix model or your attribution model, you should have some kind of brand awareness outcome metric that says yes, we’re achieving brand awareness.

    And then regardless of in house or agency, whoever’s doing the work should be hitting that number should be hitting whatever, whatever you agree brand awareness is.

    And there are a variety of ways of doing that.

    You can do it through attribution, modeling, marketing, mix, modeling, surveying, polling, etc.

    The there’s no choice.

    There’s no shortage of ways to do that.

    But where the differences between in house and agency is typically in resourcing.

    Right? So an employee costs x dollars an hour, like 40 an hour.

    And they have presumably, dedicated a part or whole of their job towards doing the social media function at your company.

    An agency will charge some kind of rate, retainer, and so on and so forth, and then deliver whatever is in the scope of work.

    So the real question you have to say is, can you do an apples to apples comparison of both results that an agency gets versus as an employee and the costs of an agency versus an employee agencies are almost always gonna be more expensive than employees, almost always, the general rule of thumb that agencies operate on is sort of a 3x rule.

    So whatever a person’s salary is, you need to build them out at 3x their salary in order for that employee to be profitable, because certain percentage of the time that employee is probably not billable for a client.

    So if you’re paying Sally40 an hour as your in house Social Media Manager, then Tom at the agency is probably going to be billed out at 120 An hour assuming that Tom makes40 an hour that agency.

    So the question is, for that money, can Tom generate 3x The results that Sally does? If the answer is no, then an agency is not worth it.

    Right.

    Then Then, in terms of KPIs, one of the things you have to think about is what is your cost per result, or as cost per outcome? If both Sally and Tom are assigned to improve the your brand recognition score by 4%.

    And you’re paying Sally 1/3 of what you’re paying Tom, Tom had better create three of that 4% Right Sally create 1% of that lift, top bidder create 3% to be commensurate with the money that you’re spending on Tom versus Sally.

    If they’re if that’s not clear, who’s doing what, then you’ve got to figure that out with a more sophisticated analytics solution to help you understand yes, this is what Tom generates is what Sally generates.

    If you can’t do that, you may want to pause one or the other maybe reassigned Sally to some different work and then see, you know, how much of a Delta there is between the work the result that was happening when Tom and Sally were working together versus when we reassigned Sally maybe to organic search or email marketing.

    And it’s just Tom at that point that at the agency generating the social media results, the KPIs you care about, if you do that, and you see that suddenly, instead of 4% left, because Sally was doing one and Tom was doing three, you should see, you know, 3% Social media lift because Sally’s gone Tom’s to cut the other 3%.

    If you go down to 1%, then you know Tom wasn’t carrying his weight.

    Right? You know that the agency was not doing what it was supposed to be doing.

    That’s the that’s the trade off between an agency versus in house in house, like I said, is almost always going to be cheaper because you have the full time employee.

    The challenge is, do you have the budget to maintain that headcount? Over the long period of time you need to make

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    social media KPIs worthwhile.

    Social media KPIs, if you’re doing them well are going to be things like brand awareness are going to be things like lead Generation those metrics take time to create.

    You can’t just hop on Twitter tomorrow, or put up stuff on Tiktok tomorrow and expect overnight results, that almost never happens.

    More often than not, it takes sometimes a year, two years, three years to ramp up your production and work the kinks out so that you can create great results consistently.

    And so, if you’re going to hire an in house social media marketer, one of the things you’ve have to ask is, can we maintain this presence for three years with this, you know, this full time employee, and you asked the same question of your agency to you may change agencies, but your expectations are that an agency will create that outcome in a commensurate with the budget you give it.

    So maybe you allocate 5,000 A month internally for a social media resource, and you allocate10,000 a month for an agency resource.

    It is not unreasonable to say the agency resource had better generate 2x The results, the in house resource does cover paying 2x The money if they don’t generate that result might be time to switch for different agency.

    More important.

    It’s great.

    And important to be clear upfront to say like this is what we expect.

    These are the results we’re trying to create.

    And we want you agency to generate these can you achieve this 4% brand recognition lift? And if an agency says yes, we can, then you have them sign on the line.

    And you hold them accountable, do that.

    Right.

    This is you wouldn’t employ it’s making sure that you have KPIs that are meaningful that contribute.

    And that can be seen in an attribution model or a marketing mix models so that everybody’s held accountable to the same outcomes.

    And the outcomes are commensurate with the resources you invest in them.

    So those would be my expectations of content and KPIs for an agency versus in house.

    It’s commensurate to the resources you invest.

    And you choose the metrics based on the outcomes that makes sense to the business.

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