Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Social Listening for Small Business?

    You Ask, I Answer: Social Listening for Small Business?

    Tim asks, “Any tips for convincing a small business that they need to pay for social listening, Not just posting?”

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    Christopher Penn 0:13

    In today’s episode, Tim asks any tips for convincing a small business that they need to pay for social listening? Not just posting? Sure.

    Do you want to know when people are talking about you? And that’s, that’s the easiest way to position it.

    Do you want to know when people are talking about you? Do you want to know what they’re saying? When they’re talking about you? If the answer is no, then you’re not going to make a sale on social listening software, because that’s a business that is not interested in listening to people, it’s not interested in listening to what customers have to say.

    On the other hand, if a company is interested in listening, that would be how I would try to convince that person.

    Think about it this way.

    social listening is about hearing what people are saying about any given topic.

    So it could be you.

    It could be your industry, it could be the problems people are having.

    It could be your competitors, what people are saying about your competitors? Wouldn’t you like to know what people are saying about your competitors? Wouldn’t you like to know what people are saying about you? And if nobody’s talking about you, that is a pretty big problem.

    Right? If nobody’s talking about you, if there’s nothing to listen to, you’re not doing a very good job of building a brand.

    Right? That’s fundamentally what’s happening when there’s no data to look at.

    And social listing, if you’re tuned in to your name, your products, your services, your executives, and there’s no conversation, then you need to invest a lot more heavily in brand building, because you’re not, you’re not creating a brand, you’re not creating something that’s worth talking about.

    If nobody’s talking about you and your competitors and your industry, then you’ve got a much bigger problem.

    You’re basically in a space that nobody is active in social media about, which is maybe fine, right? There are certain industries where, yeah, there isn’t a whole lot of conversation on public social media.

    And that’s a good thing, right? Anything around like national security, you should not be having top secret conversations on Twitter, right? Just like you shouldn’t be leaving, you know, top secret file folders in like, you know, next year pool.

    Those industries, highly regulated industries, yes, you for sure do not want to be having conversations of a sensitive nature in public.

    And social listening might be of relatively little help in those situations.

    Because again, that’s not where the conversations happening.

    But good media monitoring tools, can can provide that the social part along with everything else, right, there are certain services like Talkwalker, for example, that cover not just social listening, but also media publications, news, television, podcasts, etc.

    And that is something that you’d probably want to have your your your finger on the pulse of to say, are people on podcasts about our industry talking about us? Do we ever get mentioned in podcasts, if we do get mentioned, great.

    If we don’t, then people don’t think about us people don’t remember that we exist, people don’t realize that we are part of this industry.

    And that’s something that you can and should solve for.

    So the way to make a use case for media monitoring or social listening, or conversation monitoring, or whatever term you want to call it, is one, does the organization already have a commitment to listening in some form? Right? Do you read customer emails? Do you handle customer complaints? Well, if the answer there is no, you’re probably not going to get anywhere social listening, right? If you’re not listening to the most valuable people that you already have contact with your customers, you’re not going to listen to anybody else.

    And it is time possibly to update your LinkedIn profile.

    If the company says yes, we have a culture of listening, we have a culture of of paying attention to what customers have to say, then you can say great, here are places where customers are having conversations.

    And you can use you know, either free or low cost tools.

    One of my favorites is Talkwalker alerts.

    Christopher Penn 4:21

    If you go to talkwalker.com/alerts you can sign up for free, some free basic media monitoring, and see what is being said to see what’s being talked about.

    If nobody is saying anything.

    Nobody’s talking in and you’ve set up your queries, well, then, yeah, social listening might not be a good fit.

    On the other hand, if people are talking about the industry, or talking about your competitors, maybe even talking about you, then you can demonstrate a business case like yeah, we want to know what the audience has to say about our industry so that we can react to it right if We’re doing some social listening and our competitors are talking and they’re, they’re talking trash about everybody else the industry, we want to know about it, we want to be able to say, that’s not true, right? That’s not true, our burger is just as large as their burger or, you know, our pizza delivery is just as on time as their pizza delivery, whatever the example is, fill in your own blank there.

    But you want to make sure that you can showcase here’s the conversations that are relevant to us, and why we need to be listening for them.

    And maybe, if there’s good competitive chatter that’s available, maybe even showcase Hey, we might even be able to snipe a customer from a competitor by being part of the conversation faster than our competitors are.

    Right.

    And so we would use social listening software to do that.

    So there’s a lot of different ways.

    Obviously, one objection is price.

    quite small businesses, small budgets, for the most part is a general rule.

    And there are options all up and down the spectrum for, for literally every budget, there’s the free things like Talkwalker alerts, on the other hand, is the paid Talkwalker product, which is more for mid sized business.

    There’s a company like brand 24, which is a small to midsize business sector, this, there’s so many different options, all along the spectrum of tools that can do a lot of good listening for you find the right tool that fits your budget that fits what you’re going to do with the data.

    But make sure that you have those examples of here’s how we would use this data to take action because that for a lot of people is the hard part.

    Explain to a company why they need they don’t see what you do with the information.

    When you see a media mention of yourself, for example, maybe you see a someone calling you out on Twitter in a good way.

    Yeah, retweet that run ads, promote that post boost, do something.

    And once you have a series of decisions that you take based on a piece of media, then it’s easy to justify media monitoring and social listening, because you can say yeah, this is what you do with the information.

    This is how we take action on it.

    This is how we build the business with it by saying yeah, we can we use this as third party testimonials, right? We can showcase these things on our on our LinkedIn page or on our website.

    Here’s what people are saying about us.

    Unpaid people are saying this about us on Twitter.

    This is you know, these are conversations you want to highlight.

    So that’s how I would do it.

    Come up with the use cases.

    Figure out where your company’s culture is around things like social listening, and then go from there.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Rebuilding Social Media Channels?

    You Ask, I Answer: Rebuilding Social Media Channels?

    Jamie asks, “How do I rebuild our social media channels, since we’re changing who our target audience is?”

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    Christopher Penn 0:13

    In this episode, Jamie asks, How do I rebuild our social channels, since we’re changing who our target audience is.

    That’s a relatively tall order.

    So there’s a few things you’ll want to do.

    Number one, before you go, rebuilding and changing things up, you’ll probably want to do a bit of sort of hand holding of your existing audience saying, Hey, this is who we are what we’re going to be doing, and we’re going to be focusing on right now.

    So if this is still applicable to you, we invite you to stick around to see if there’s something new that you might enjoy.

    If you again, if it’s of interest, maybe an invite a friend or two to follow us as well.

    And if it’s no longer of interest, we’re sorry.

    That it won’t be of interest or value to anyone, we hope we get a chance to do business again, in the future, just something that to ease people into the change to say like, Hey, we’re we’re changing our focus here, right? Imagine my company trust insights.ai going from analytics and management to like baking bread, right? That’d be a pretty big change.

    But it would be foolish of us to just burn everything down and say, Okay, let’s just start over and assume that nobody in our audience that likes data, and analytics also likes bread, right? That’s, that’s not a good assumption.

    So you want to do that introduction? Then you go through the planning process, right? You go through the planning process to figure out what your new channel is going to be about.

    So what’s your goals? What are you trying to achieve? Is it still brand awareness? Is it still lead generation? Whatever it is that your existing goals where your new channels should have those goals documented? You should be thinking about, who is your audience? Who do you want to be following you and engaging with you and paying attention to you.

    This is something you want to spend some time on, right? Who is the new audience that you need to attract? And what percentage of your existing audience would fit in your new audience because in those initial early days, when you’re trying to grow your, your following trying to grow your, your fans, you need to have a very clear idea of who that is, who those ideals are.

    And, you know, obviously, if you’re in a more complex sale environment, who the other decision makers are that you would want to engage with, then after you’ve got sort of the people sorted out, you need to figure out your your content, what content you’re going to provide, and how quickly you’re going to make that change.

    So, for example, if you own a dog, your vet will tell you, hey, when you switch dog foods, take a week to start mixing them together to ease the transition from one dog to the next.

    Just don’t throw out the old food and give your dog brand new food because it might not necessarily agree with them.

    And you want to know that sooner rather than later.

    The same thing is true with social media content, right? If you’re going from podcasting to NF T’s, right? You might want to tease the new content, start to slowly introduce it make it a mix.

    That way, you can tell.

    Yeah, our audience is going to come with us or No, our audience isn’t right.

    If the feedback you’re getting is like no, I don’t, I want to have nothing to do with NF T’s they’re a scam or whatever.

    Let’s say yeah, you know, what, we’re gonna run into some substantial headwinds.

    And maybe, maybe even changing our channel might not be the right move.

    I would hope that’d be something you’d prove with market research first, but you know, cart before the horse and all that.

    If you make a change, gradual, you can tell from early feedback, oh, this is not going to go over well, this is this is going to be problematic, or this is going to be great.

    People are super eager, based on the feedback you get and looking at your engagement rates and things like that.

    That will give you a sense of how how fast or slow to turn that dial to make the transition into your new content.

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    The other part of audience research that you need to do as you rebuild your social channels is figure out if you’re in the right place, right? If you’re where you need to be if you’re where your audience is.

    Suppose that you’re going from, I don’t know coffee to tea, right? And you found in your market research that most of your coffee drinkers are on Facebook, where are the tea drinkers? What if they’re on Tiktok? Right? What if they’re on Instagram? What if they’re on Snapchat, wherever that is, you want to know that and you wanted to, again, start making those transitions, start moving into those spaces and reestablishing yourself rebuilding a social media channel can be as little as touching up some paint, or as drastic as knocking the house down bulldozing and starting over.

    But you won’t know, which is the right approach until you do your research into the people, your processes, and the technologies that they’re using, for getting what they want.

    And finally, if you’re blowing up your social media channels anyway, and you know that you’ve been lagging behind on best practices for measurement and analytics, it’d be a great time to reboot that a great time to say, You know what, we’ve not done such a great job.

    Let’s declare social media amnesty, blow up our channels and start over start with a fresh new set of metrics, start with some new dashboards and things so that we’re focused on what really matters and leaving behind the old measures the measures that people never agreed to say like, Yes, this is a good predictor of intent, or whatever your business objective is, whatever your purpose is, those would be my suggestions, my five steps for rebuilding your social media channels, it’s not something you want to do lightly.

    It’s not something that you want to do casually.

    You want to plan it out and have multiple points along the way where you can bail out and say, You know what, okay, we heard you loud and clear.

    We’re not going to do that.

    Or you say, You know what, this is what our brand is.

    The mandates came from up on high and we got to do I’m sorry, if it’s not what you’re looking for, but this is what we’ve got to do.

    So that’s my suggestions for how to how do we build your social media channels? Good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Brands and Social Media Presence?

    You Ask, I Answer: Brands and Social Media Presence?

    Ann asks, “Should brands still be on social media?”

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    In today’s episode, Ann asks, Should brands still be on social media? Yeah.

    That could be the video.

    Yes, absolutely.

    brands should still be on social media brands should be participating in social media and trying to find ways to provide value.

    Now, here’s where it gets interesting.

    What is social media? This is something that companies get wrong a lot.

    When I ask, you will name some social media channels.

    People rattle off the usual suspects, Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, Tiktok, Twitter, Pinterest, et cetera, right? The mainstream big tech, social media channels, and there’s nothing one of the most are indeed social media.

    But social media is defined, a social network is defined by the use of the network effect, which is something that Robert Metcalf, the inventor of Ethernet, coined in like 1979.

    Essentially, the value of a network is proportional to the number of nodes in the network squared.

    That’s that’s Metcalfe’s law.

    Think about it.

    If you have a telephone, right? And your telephone is the only one in the world.

    What good is it? Forget the smartphone part, just just a phone.

    It’s your the got the only phone in the world? What good is it? It’s not very useful.

    Now, the moment that one other person gets a phone, okay, now it has an actual function, right? You can call that person.

    And every time you add a new telephone to that network, the network overall gets more valuable.

    Even people who already have a phone get more value, when a new phone becomes a part of the network, because there’s yet another person to call, right.

    So social networks function the exact same way.

    Think about, let’s use Twitter as an example, if there was only you on Twitter and nobody else, what good is it? It’s not, you’re literally screaming into the void, right? Only as more people join Twitter, or Facebook or Tiktok, or whatever.

    Do you create value for everybody? Because there’s more interaction, more content and more opportunities for conversation? Why does this matter? Because what we call social media is only a tiny subset of what is actually social media.

    Any place where users are the content, user generated content.

    And interaction is the content is a social network is social media.

    So that means things like GitHub, the developer site, where developers can check in and check out code work on each of those projects and things like that is a social network that has social media 100%.

    Think about discord and slack.

    These are apps that let people set up servers, private communities that get people get to interact with and have conversations that is social media.

    Think about Tinder.

    Tinder is social media.

    Right.

    Again, it follows Metcalfe’s law, if you were the only person on Tinder, it would have no value.

    Right? Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange.

    These are developer q&a sites.

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    Like 99% of developers at least good ones.

    I routinely copying and pasting content from GitHub from Stack Overflow, because why reinvent the wheel answering people’s questions and things like that? The internal bulletin board, email, email itself is a social network, right? Think about that.

    give that some thought email is the OG social network.

    YouTube is a social network.

    Right? Without if there was only you on YouTube, it would have no value.

    Right? As you are there and other people there, it gains value twitch.

    The gaming thing is a social network, Amazon itself that electronic shopping portal is a social network.

    Pornhub is a social network, right? It’s an a social network for adult content.

    All of these things are social networks.

    So going back to ask question, Should brands be on social media? Yes.

    Should brands necessarily be on Facebook? Not necessarily, or LinkedIn or any of the mainstream tech? Social networks? Not necessarily.

    But that doesn’t mean that there isn’t a social network that follows Metcalf’s rules somewhere out there, where your customers are, and that is the opportunity for you to interact with them and probably get better results because you are finding a context that is appropriate for your brand, your product your service your industry within a dedicated social network for it, right that’s one of the reasons why services like discord and slacker just blowing up and have been for three or four years now, when you can start up a Discord server that is specifically focused just on left hand people who powerwash right as so focused is such a focus community that if you were selling power washers you would 100% want to be in that community.

    probably also want to make sure that your employees who participate are left handed.

    But it means that you can find a social network that fits your brand that fits the value you can offer.

    The value you can create by contributing and in return exchange some value and get some business out of it.

    Do not make the mistake of thinking that you know Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram, Pinterest, etc.

    That that is the only thing that is social media.

    It isn’t social media is hundreds, if not 1000s of different types of websites, different communities, where you can find your crowd and make them deliriously happy that they have found you.

    So really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Social Media Metrics in Google Analytics?

    You Ask, I Answer: Social Media Metrics in Google Analytics?

    Christine asks, “What sort of things should a social media person be mindful of in Google Analytics?”

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    In today’s episode, Christine asks, what sort of things should a social media person be mindful of? And Google Analytics? What should we be measuring? As social media people? Social media is a channel, right? It’s a marketing channel that gets people to your digital properties.

    And so the question you have to ask is, what is the expectation for social media? Is it simply to build awareness? Are you trying to nurture people through the sales pipeline through the marketing operations funnel? are you expected to drive purchases? Right? If you’re an E commerce company, are you expected to sell T shirts online? The answer to that question will very much dictate what it is you’re looking for in Google Analytics.

    But broadly speaking, those are the three categories that any marketing channel is expected to at least partially serve awareness, engagement, conversion.

    With that, then, you know, the three general buckets of metrics that you should be looking at and Google Analytics, right.

    So for awareness, you’re looking for new visitors from that channel, right? How many new people did you get to visit you? from Twitter, or Facebook, or Tiktok, or Instagram, or Snapchat or whatever, right? New people that you haven’t talked to before? That’s one for engagement for nurturing somebody along the pipeline, right? How many people did you get to engage in signing up for a newsletter, downloading a white paper, attending a webinar, checking out, you know, browsing on your on your online store, emailing or talking to a chatbot, all those things that indicate that somebody’s more than casually interested in your company, or things that can very easily be measured in Google Analytics, and B, shows that level of engagement.

    And of course, the third is, of course, good attribution modeling.

    So if you’re measuring conversions, and you’ve got a good multi touch attribution model for you’re using the new Google Analytics 4, and you’re using the attribution modeling built in, you know, set your your view, so you can see the whole funnel, and then look for social media, maybe slap a filter on it to only look at social media channels and see where social media impacts your operations follow from top to bottom.

    That’s how you use Google Analytics for social media.

    You look at the awareness, the engagement and the conversions.

    Now, what’s challenging for a lot of organizations is knowing which to look at.

    And in some ways, you want to measure all three to some degree, you want to measure all three to understand how your audience responds to social media, maybe you don’t drive a ton of new users to your website, but you accelerate the sales pipeline by creating more touches, you know, with a prospect, maybe prospects who don’t engage with a social media channel have 11 touches on average before conversion.

    But maybe social media has 14 touches, but the time to conversion from beginning to end, maybe a seven days fewer.

    So that’s an example of something where social media could be accelerating.

    The journey to purchase in which case, you’d be comparing channel performance versus other channels like search, or email marketing conversions is pretty straightforward.

    The challenge with conversions is that unless you are driving a decent amount of people and you, you’ve got something that they really want.

    A lot of the time social medias impact is not felt at the bottom of funnel, right? It is more of a top of funnel channel similar to advertising, right? Yes, you can drive conversions with your ads.

    But brand awareness is something that you can typically run a lot of ads for, and get decent results out of.

    So one of the things you’re going to want to do is an initial audit, to look at your social media channels at each of those three layers, you know, awareness, engagement, conversion, and decide where does social media play the biggest role in your organization, and it’s going to be different for every organization.

    And it’s very rare, that it’s just one of those places, it might be like 70% awareness, but 20% engagement and 10% conversion, or it could be the other way around.

    It could be you know, 20% awareness, you know, 25% engagement and 65% conversion, it depends.

    It is going to depend on your business, your social media audience and things like that.

    One other thing to keep in mind is how you define social media.

    We typically define In social media is any channel where the value is subject to the network effect, meaning that

    Christopher Penn 5:08

    all other people make the channel valuable, right? So if your blog, it doesn’t matter how many people read your blog, write your blogs value does not increase, the more people who read it.

    On the other hand, Tiktok gets more valuable for all existing members when new members join, right? Because there’s more content to enjoy this, and so on and so forth.

    So that should broaden your perspective as to what is social media.

    A site like GitHub, for example, is social media for coders.

    And same for stackexchange.

    YouTube is a social network, it is social media, right? You don’t just put up video and watch it, you participate, you comment, and the network effect applies.

    They’re looking at something like Spotify.

    Spotify is a social network.

    It’s a music player, but it’s a social network, too.

    It has those same sharing features.

    So when you look at your channels and Google Analytics, one of the important things to consider is how many things actually fall under social media.

    And then are you mapping all of your tagging and tracking tags appropriately, so that your social media efforts are getting the credit they deserve? So those are the kinds of things that I’d recommend that a social media person be mindful of in Google Analytics.

    And this applies to both Universal Analytics aka Google Analytics 3, and the new Google Analytics 4.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Optimizing for Social Search?

    You Ask, I Answer: Optimizing for Social Search?

    Andy asks, “How do we think about optimizing our social content based on how search results appear in social search?”

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    In today’s episode, Andy asks, How do we think about optimizing our social content based on how search results appear in social search? So it’s a search, I assume, and things like LinkedIn and Facebook and stuff? This is a very interesting question, because those search engines don’t work the way you think they should.

    Social media search engines all use the network graphs that are underlying search engines underlying the social networks, to return results that are based less on the query term, and more on who you’re connected to.

    So no matter what service you use, Facebook, search, Instagram search, so on and so forth, you will notice that the search results, lean towards Okay, what did you like? Who are you connected to? And what are the things that you or your friends have published.

    And then you’ll get more generic general results out of that, they tend not to be nearly as sophisticated as Google, for example.

    So they’re still much more keyword based versus semantic, based like topics, and things like that.

    So it is still more primitive search in the ASP aspect, but it is really driven by the network by your network.

    So if you want to optimize for search results, you’re really talking about optimizing for people who are the people that are connected to your company, or to connect it to your profiles.

    And how often do those people do searches for the topics you care about, on the social networks you’re operating on.

    So some of the things to think about, if you have groups, for example, like a LinkedIn group, or Facebook group, which by the way, I don’t encourage, we’ll talk about that in a second.

    But if you have groups that will show up in search results of Pete, when someone’s searching for, say, search engine optimization, or data analytics, or something, whatever your company wants to be known for, if people are connected to through those groups directly connected to you, there’s a better than even chance that your entity will show up in their search results.

    Now, very quickly, on the topic of why I’m not a fan of having your company’s groups on those places, because you’re competing with the main newsfeed, so you’re completely competing with the friends and family of somebody on those services.

    And you’re competing with advertisers, which is just an unpleasant challenge to try and tackle.

    I would strongly suggest looking at a service like Slack, or discord, or mattermost, or something, where there’s a social network that is outside of these advertising driven social networks, because they are always going to prioritize their paying customers, which is not us, right, the marketers who are not paying money to them.

    That said, if you want to have everything in your sort of one stop shopping, yeah, you can use it there.

    But I know that that from our own testing, when we started our analytics for marketers group, we started on Facebook, and we started with 100 people.

    And inside of a week, even with decent content.

    And even with some engaged discussions inside of a week, our posts are being seen by 1% of the group.

    And we’re like, This is dumb, we are competing with the rest of Facebook, we moved to slack.

    And the performance has been substantially better than because slacks revenue model is not based on ads.

    So always you’re building a community always build a community in a technology or platform that does not make its money from ads.

    So in terms of optimizing social content for social search, again, focus on the people.

    Are you connected to the right people? And then are they engaging with your content in general, right, so

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    that if they happen to search for something on a social network, your content will show up because that connection is relevant.

    This is especially true on LinkedIn.

    LinkedIn has a multi objective optimization model, they actually did a whole podcast episode with their engineers on how LinkedIn itself functionally works.

    And one of the things that they do have running is tokenization of all the content and all the the words and phrases in your profile and your first degree connections and your second degree connections.

    So if you are on LinkedIn and you are active in discussions and you’re participating in leaving comments about say Data analytics, LinkedIn begins to associate that term with your profile, because it’s presumably in your profile, your company profile, it’s presumably in your employees profiles, it’s presumably in the comments that you’re leaving.

    And therefore, once it becomes aware that you will have a specialization or focus on that term, then when the search term comes up, you get some discovery from that, but that is contingent upon you.

    behaving in a very focused way on LinkedIn to take advantage of that algorithm.

    The other thing that does work for discovery purposes, particularly on Instagram, LinkedIn, to a degree and Tiktok, is hashtags.

    Hashtags are a discovery vehicle, when someone’s looking for something, they will use hashtags just to see what’s out there.

    Again, especially on a service like Tiktok, hashtags are one of the primary discovery mechanisms.

    And so if you’re not including them, in your social content, you’re missing those opportunities to be discovered.

    When somebody does look at those hashtags, especially on Instagram and Tiktok.

    When you type in a hashtag into the search bar, you will see how many people view content about that particular hashtag.

    So if you have a hashtag, that’s like 78 letters long, you’ll see it has like zero views.

    But you choose something like hashtag marketing, hashtag social media, you will see that there are millions of views of that particular topic.

    So make sure that again, you’re using those for discovery purposes.

    But those would be my recommendations for optimizing for Social Search.

    One last thing I would suggest is ask your audience how often they search for your content or information about your products and services or the thought leadership, the republishing, ask them how often they search for the on social networks.

    search and social are different behaviors, people behave differently in each place when they are searching on a search engine.

    They have an intent to discover to learn when they’re on social media that is not as strong as an intent.

    They’re usually looking to have conversations to connect with people.

    Right? And so you can optimize for social search.

    But generally speaking, it’s probably not going to reap as larger reward as larger return as it will on an actual search.

    And so just bear that in mind as well.

    Good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Best Time to Post for B2B Marketers?

    You Ask, I Answer: Best Time to Post for B2B Marketers?

    Ashley asks, “When’s the best time to post on social media for B2B marketers?”

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    Ashley asks, when’s the best time to post on social media for B2B marketers?

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    When your audiences listening, I was going to end the video there.

    It’s the same time as for any marketing, when is your audience paying attention to you? Right? Just because in aggregate people behave in predictable patterns does not mean that is necessarily true of your audience without asking them.

    The easiest way to figure this out is to literally ask your audience run a survey and say, Hey, we’re trying to figure out our social media posting calendar, we think you like our content? A, what times a day, do you want to hear from us on social media? And B? What kinds of content do you want to hear from us? Right? Asking people those questions, is the easiest, simplest, cheapest, and most straightforward way to get an answer to this question, and it will serve the needs of the audience that you have.

    One of the things I thought was interesting, when I was looking at the audiences, for myself, my personal audience, you and the Trust Insights audience, I thought there’s gonna be like a 90% overlap.

    And it’s not as like 40 ish percent.

    The my company’s audience is different than mine, which means that just because I can do an analysis on my personal audience, you doesn’t necessarily mean that analysis holds true for my company.

    And if two things two entities are, that are so closely related, have different audiences that big of a difference in audience, then it stands to reason that what you read in some industry, white paper or industry study may not hold true for you.

    Right? It may be very, very different for you, even though on paper, you may seem like you’re you’re have similar businesses, similar audiences, etc.

    The other thing to look at is, unsurprisingly, look at your data, right? Whenever we run into this question, the stock answer I give is, build a testing plan, right? If you want to know when the best time to post on social media is build up a whole bunch of content, and then run a test, and post every hour on the hour for 30 days straight.

    With clickable links, link tracking stuff like that, use a URL shortener that you can get data out of.

    So you can see when people are clicking on links, whether or not they go to your website or not.

    Look at your your analytics on the social media platform and say, Okay, what times are people interacting with our stuff, clicking on stuff, viewing our stuff, etc.

    If you don’t do that, if you just go with the data you already have, it’s going to be biased, right? If you post on Mondays at 9am, the best time is always going to be Mondays at 9am.

    Right? You don’t know that that’s true.

    Until you’ve posted 9am 10am, and 11am, and so on and so forth, all around the clock, after you’ve done all around the clock, then it becomes a little bit easier to understand, well, when is our audience actually interacting, and you want to do it over a 30 day time period so that you can see your intra week and intra week patterns in the data.

    Especially if you are sharing about a pretty broad topic where one time slots topic may be of greater interest to the audience than others.

    You can also reschedule and repost content that does well at different times to see if you have good performing content.

    If it matters what time you post it.

    So there’s a bunch of different ways to set up a good testing plan for this.

    There is no pat answer, right? There is no answer that works for everybody or even works for everybody in your industry.

    You just can’t know that because until you do the testing, because your audience might be different.

    If especially if you are like a B2B company and you’ve got a CEO or C suite executive are somebody who has very much acts as the public face of the company.

    When you have a real person, as the face of the company and as the voice of the company, then you’re going to attract a very specific audience around that person.

    And when you do that, then suddenly you’re not marketing on the generics of you know, we make airplane parts or whatever you’re marketing on.

    That person’s ability to attract an audience and who they attract is going to be be very different from company to company.

    There’s, that’s just the way people work.

    So that’s the best time to post on social media for B2B marketers is when your audience is listening.

    And you tell that by building and developing and rolling out a testing plan to see how your audience behaves.

    And by the way, that’s something you’re going to have to retest probably quarterly, or at least once a year, at least once a year.

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    Maybe one week, every quarter, and then a more intensive test because audiences changed, people changed.

    If you look at your email list, for example, how quickly does it churn? What percentage of your email list is churn the last year? With things like the great resignation stuff, your audience is changing really fast.

    There are a lot of people changing jobs right now and an audience that you thought you had two years ago may be very different than the audience you have now.

    So you’ve got to retest those assumptions too.

    So really good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: New Marketer Social Media Guidance?

    You Ask, I Answer: New Marketer Social Media Guidance?

    Alessandra asks, “What do you want to see in social media guidance for new marketing professionals?”

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    In today’s episode, Alessandra asks, What do you want to see in social media guidance for new marketing professionals? Who, I mean, there’s so much to unpack when it comes to the kinds of information we would like new marketing professionals to have about social media.

    I would say number one, be clear on your goals, know what it is you’re trying to accomplish.

    The easiest way for any marketing professionals to clarify this is to ask your supervisor or stakeholders the powers that be Hey, what am I getting my bonus for this year? Right? And if the answer is nothing, like, maybe time to update that LinkedIn profile, but on a more serious matter, knowing what your goals are, knowing what you’re trying to achieve is essential.

    Right? What problem is social media trying to solve at your organization? Do you have an awareness problem? Do you have a trust problem? Do you have a lead generation problem? Do you have an E commerce sales problem? The answer to that question will dictate how you use social media at least if you’re going to use it effectively.

    Now, that’s not to say social media can’t perform more than one purpose, it certainly can.

    We’ve seen plenty of cases in clients, attribution models, where social media different channels show up at different parts in the customer journey, some channels, awareness builders, like YouTube, other channels, conversion builders, like LinkedIn.

    And, of course, this varies from company to company client by client.

    So you got to be clear on your goals.

    Second, and this should be no surprise, if, if you’ve been following me for any amount of time, you’ve got to be clear on how you’re going to measure success, right? What numbers are using to measure whether or not you’re moving closer to or further away from your goal.

    If you’re reporting on a whole bunch of things that don’t have line of sight to your, your goals, your outcomes, you’re going to be at best really frustrated and at worst, updating your LinkedIn profile, because no one will have any idea what it is that you do for the company.

    So that means getting away from spitting up numbers and measures just because it looks good on a dashboard, because you’ve got to have something to report, you’ve got to have a measurement strategy that reflects the goal you’re trying to achieve.

    So if you have brand awareness as a measure, then certainly things like audience growth would be important, right? Showing a mathematically statistical relationship between your social media work and things like branded organic search, where people are searching for your company by name asking for you by name.

    That would be an excellent awareness measure.

    When you look at things like lead generation, if leads are your goal, you’d better be able to show through source medium tracking lead social channels are at least getting people to the lead generation opportunity, if not getting them to convert.

    Ultimately, you have to be able to look at the measures you have the activities you have and connect the two, let’s say we did this which resulted in this.

    And that result feeds into the goal like this.

    The easiest way to do that is to develop what my friend and partner Katie robear calls a user stories.

    As a CMO, I need to prove the ROI of social media so that I know how much budget to get.

    And from that story, you can unpack it and turn it into, you know, real measures, you clearly outlined ROI, which means return on investment.

    So now you know that you need to go find your investment in social media.

    And you need to figure out what the return the money you earned is on that.

    So those would be the big things I would say for social media guidance from marketing professionals, be clear on your goals and know how you’re going to measure them.

    After that.

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    The best advice I can offer is use social media, particularly organic, unpaid social media in a way that fits your brand, right that adheres your brand style guide that hears to the tone of voice that you want to have the personality to the extent that you there is one.

    And if you don’t know what that is, take the time to solve for it, to write it out to think it through and say yep, this is going to be our strategy.

    So for example, I Trust Insights.

    We have a survey, matter of fact, tone of voice, so we just publish stuff.

    And we leave a lot of the attraction of new audiences and personality to the individuals on the team on their personal accounts to be able to attract to audiences, and then direct attention towards the more the company style stuff.

    That has traditionally been sort of how we’ve approached it.

    And it seems to be working reasonably well.

    For myself, I approach social media as a way to share stuff with people that has value that they can get some benefit from.

    And then, ideally, if people receive enough value over enough time, they may ask it hopefully to say, well, how, how can I provide value back in which case say, hey, buy some stuff from my company.

    So those are kind of the general strategies, but that’s the guidance I would give to any new marketing professional who’s interested in social media.

    Be clear on your goals, be clear in your measures, and then know how you want to approach social media and use it in a way that fits the brand of the company.

    And document all that stuff.

    I know it’s a pain, it’s not fun to document stuff.

    But in order to have any kind of continuity, in order to be consistent to have consistency.

    You got to have stuff written down.

    So, good question.

    There’s a lot more to unpack here.

    But let’s see what questions you have about the social media guidance and maybe we can dig deeper into any areas that are interest to you.

    Thanks for watching.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Social Media Communications Strategy?

    You Ask, I Answer: Social Media Communications Strategy?

    Norbert asks, “What are the most important things when developing a social media communication strategy?”

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    In today’s episode Norbert asks what are the most important things when developing a social media communication strategy? The number one thing, by far when you’re developing a social media communication strategy, or any social media strategy is understanding who your audience is.

    If you don’t know who your audience is, nothing you do on social media is going to work.

    If it does work, it’s pure luck.

    Right? What happens an awful lot of the time in social media is that we create content that we would want to see we as the marketers create stuff that we would like, right? And if we are not our audience, it’s not going to go very well.

    Right? Because we’re going to create stuff that’s great for us and not great for the people that we’re trying to attract.

    If I sell coffee makers, for example.

    And I happen to like espresso machines, I create a ton of, of social media content and talk to people about espresso machines stuffing, we may find out that the actually the vast majority of your audience would like to talk about drip coffee makers, and for me to be out there saying, you know, espresso this and espresso, that would be a turn off, right? The audience be like, yeah, no.

    So everything else in social media is secondary, to knowing who you’re communicating with and what they want from your communications, right, you have got to deeply understand their wants, their needs, their desires.

    And do so while putting your company and what you want.

    Secondary, right? That’s another really hard part for marketers to understand is both personal and corporate or brand ego needs to be put aside, nobody really cares about you, until you have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you care about them.

    Right? That you are willing to do business with them obviously, and willing to trade value for value, but you’ve got to give value.

    First, you’ve got to prove like any relationship, you got to prove value first, before asking for value in return a lot of marketing to fails to do that.

    So what are some things that you’d want to know to establish who your audiences, you know, who is the audience? What are the basic things about them, like the age ranges your audience, your gender breakdown, ethnicity, generational differences, religion, your basic demographics, because even knowing something like that, it’s going to tell you about how the audience behaves, looking at stuff like device usage.

    You know, if your audience is predominantly accessing your communications on a smartphone, and you are building and designing content for an HDTV, it’s not going to go well for you, right, you’re going to be creating things that the audience will have a harder time using, because you’re not in tune with them.

    So even real basic stuff like that’s important.

    What are your audiences key interests and affinities? Right? When you look in tools like Facebook Audience Insights or Google Analytics, you can get a sense of what audiences interested in affinities are, what are the in market for? Are they interested in cooking shows or science fiction books.

    That information lets you create amazing social media content.

    Larry Kim over mobile monkey calls this sort of the double unicorn strategy, where you find two things about your audience that are unique to the audience, and you blend them together.

    So for example, if you’re selling coffeemakers, and you also know that your audience is really into say, Star Trek, if you were to do some research to figure out all the coffee and tea sets that were shown aboard the USS Enterprise on every Star Trek episode ever, you could, you know, include that in your content, create communications to your audience, knowing that they’re interested in coffee, but also knowing they’re interested in Star Trek, and hit the nail on the head so that you create social media content that your audience goes, that was made for me.

    You made that just for me, you know, I love Star Trek.

    You know, I love that weird.

    handleless coffeepot that Captain Picard uses on Star Trek The Next Generation that’s knowing your audience’s interests and affinities.

    Once your audience in market for right what is their buying cycle like so that you know when to time communications? If you look in a more sophisticated attribution model, it will tell you for example, which channels fit were in a customer journey.

    So if your social media channels are all the beginning of the buyers journey, when the audience is just getting to know you having communications in your social media channels that were like by now by now by now, as is gonna irritate people, right? They’re gonna say like, oh wait Let’s go out for coffee before he asked me in your area, right? That’s the what you need to know about an ISP in market? What is the buying cycle right for your audience? versus what is the learning cycle? There’s

    Christopher Penn 5:14

    a famous quote from the LinkedIn labs last year 2021.

    Saying that, for B2B as a specific to B2B 95 to 90% of your audience at any given time is not buying.

    Right? So how do you create communications? How do you create content for an audience that is the vast majority is not in their buying cycle? Right? That’s really challenging.

    And so that has to be part of your strategy.

    And you need to know that you need to know what the buying cycle looks like.

    For you to be able to tie into social media communications, for example, if you’re a realtor, the sort of generally accepted rule in real estate is that people are ready to buy a house every seven years or so.

    So what do you do for the other six years and 11? Months? Right? What kinds of communications? How do you maintain a relationship with your audience? So that when that one person suddenly flips into buying mode, they were the first person they think of hopefully the only person they think of? How do you do that? How do you create that in your social media communications, spamming people with buying our messages? Or, you know, let me sell your house messages? Probably not going to achieve the effect you want? Where does your audience spend time online? Right, not just what social networks, but in general, this goes back to knowing your audiences, affinities and interests, you know, is your audience a Netflix audience? Are they a Disney plus audience? Are they a Hulu audience? Are they a Spotify audience? Or an Apple Music audience? Or do they like the five people who like Kanye his thing? Where do they spend their time? What has their share of ear and their share of eyeball? And how do you fit into that? Right? How would your communications fit into that? Which social networks? Are they on? That, you know, that’s gonna be partly driven on some of the the demographics, someone who’s on Pinterest is going to be a different person, a different audience than the folks who are on Tiktok? For example, not entirely, but there’s going to be some places where networks overlap, and some places where they don’t.

    So you need to know which social networks someone is on.

    What content does your audience react to most right? If once you know, for example, that we say 70% of your audience all likes the band Journey, right? And you look at the the audience analytics, the content analytics on journeys, Instagram account, What content do those fans react most to? And can you gain any insights or lessons from that content? And then what is your audience share? What do they talk about the most right downloading, if you have the ability to gather up for example, a Twitter list or an Instagram list or Tiktok list of your most avid fans? What are they sharing? What content? Where do they spend their time talking? One of the easiest things to do that almost nobody does, is put together a like a Twitter list of their top customers.

    And then look at that list and see where those people are sharing the information from right.

    It’s such a simple thing for like a social media ad strategy, or a an outreach strategy.

    If 80% of your your, your private Twitter list is all sharing content from say, The Economist? Well, gosh, whose content should you be sharing? The Economist? Right? You know, what’s relevant to your audience? Where should you run ads on the economist website, but if you never do that work to understand your audience, and to get a sense of what it is that they are spending the time on what they think is so important and so worthwhile that they share publicly, you’re missing key intelligence right? Now, why don’t people do this? Well, this kind of research requires a lot of time and effort, right? This is not something you push a button or type into Google and you get an answer real quick.

    You got to do stuff like serving focus groups, one on one interviews, all sorts of ways to dig into what your audience wants, right? A lot of back and forth and spending time with your audience.

    If you have a place like a Slack server or Discord server or some other community, a Facebook group, a LinkedIn group,

    Christopher Penn 9:33

    you got to almost act like an anthropologist.

    Get in there.

    Start listening, start taking notes, you know, message people, here and there to get clarity on on certain points of view and things, but study them study them a lot.

    Understand the psychology that drives your audience, and you will have much better social media communication strategies once you understand that.

    Now Given this, you might ask, is it worthwhile to do this? Well, if you don’t get this information, then you’re going to be guessing.

    Right here, we’re guessing you’re gonna be permanently repeating your greatest hits, because you won’t have any idea what actually lands with the audience.

    If you understand your audience really deeply, you will be able to stay in front of the trends that they will be caring about, you will know what they’re interested in.

    And you will be able to create stuff that anticipates their needs based on your deep understanding of who they are, that they might not even know to ask for.

    Right? If you again, if you’re making coffee, if you sell coffee makers, and you deeply understand how people behave.

    And you understand that folks who use your product also have a lot of work de stress, right, then they use your product a lot.

    You might create content about like stress management, or project management or time management.

    And at first, it might be all those things that seems weird, like why would a coffee maker brand would be creating so much content about stress management? Well, because you understand your audience.

    And you know, this is a secondary problem that they have.

    And if you create that content, your and your audience sees themselves in it, and sees themselves in their communications with you, they will appreciate it, they will be loyal to you because you understand them.

    They will direct message you right? You’ll get way more engagement on your social media content, because you’re giving people what they want, what they need.

    And you know that from the research you’ve done, so that’s a really important question.

    Knowing what to knowing your audience to develop a social media communication strategy, all the other stuff, the tools, the time, all the stuff that’s secondary, right, that’s process and platform stuff.

    You’ve got to know the people first before anything else.

    So really good question.

    Very important question.

    Make sure that you know your audience really deeply because if you don’t, a social media strategy, and any marketing strategy simply isn’t gonna work.

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  • Mind Readings: The Hidden Danger of the Social Media Highlight Reel

    Mind Readings: The Hidden Danger of the Social Media Highlight Reel

    We all know the overt danger of social media as the highlight reel of our lives – comparing our whole lives to other people’s highlights and wins. But there’s a hidden danger of the highlight reel that can cause immense harm. Learn what to do about it.

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    Welcome to mind readings.

    So this is an idea that I had, there’s a lot of topics that I keep in my journals and my notes of stuff that doesn’t fit the sort of You ask I answer format, I could make stuff up, right.

    I couldn’t say that somebody asked a question that was really not a question.

    But that’s no, it is dishonest.

    So, mind readings is my version of just general audio blogs, if you will, where there isn’t necessarily a question to be asked, but something that was on my mind.

    And this is not going to replace You ask I answer.

    If you’ve got questions, please go to Christopher penn.com.

    And ask them there.

    But this is for stuff that doesn’t fit in that category.

    And, yeah, we’ll see what the publication schedule looks like as to which ones go where, but at the very least, it’s stuff that I want to get out of my head and into your inbox in some fashion, maybe it’s helpful, maybe it’s not.

    So with that, let’s talk about the highlight reel.

    What we call, and what we see is social media.

    So Facebook feeds, Instagram feeds Tiktok, you name it, if you are consuming content from your friends.

    One of the things that has been very popular to say, in the last few years accurately correctly, is that social media is the highlight reel, right? You see all the successes, you see all of the good things, you see all the accomplishments, and you don’t see any of the other stuff, right? You don’t see the failures, you don’t see the laying on the couch, you don’t see taking an awful lot of Advil after after the run you did.

    And of course, the big thing that folks say, again, correctly, very correctly, is that comparing your everything to somebody else’s highlight reel is always going to make you feel worse, right, because you only see their successes, you don’t see their failures, and you can see all of your successes and failures.

    And so that is I would call that the overt danger of the highlight reel.

    And it’s something to be careful of.

    There’s a covert danger to the highlight reel.

    And this covert secret danger is that when you’re looking at somebody else’s highlight reel, it creates a false illusion of them being okay.

    When in fact they may not be okay at all, right? They’re posting stuff consciously or unconsciously to keep up appearances, when they may be in a lot of trouble, when they may be in danger of self harm.

    Or they may be in an environment that is deeply unhealthy or dangerous to them.

    When they may be in a situation where they are facing intimate partner violence or something and you don’t see that you will never see that on the social media highlight reel but when you scroll by right when you’re on on Facebook or Instagram, whatever and you’re you’re you’re going by your thumbs getting a workout for the day.

    You don’t see all those other issues underneath the surface and because of that, you don’t ever think to reach out and say hey, are you okay? i It looks like things are not okay.

    So one of the things to take away from this understanding of the highlight reel is that there is the overt danger, don’t compare your stuff.

    That is everything to somebody else’s highlight reel.

    And to do not assume that because you see stuff on the highlight reel that everything is good, even for rich media channels where you have more data to work with, for example, YouTube videos or Tiktok videos, or audio like podcasts.

    Yes, you can get more information about vocal strain or people’s facial expressions or how tired they look.

    But that’s still them publishing what They want you to see.

    And the things that would endanger them would

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    reduce their quality of life.

    And if you interacted with them on a day to day basis, say in an office, you would see, wow, something’s not right here, something’s not going well here, you still don’t see that even in those rich media formats.

    So I would encourage you, if you have friends who publish stuff on social media, photos of their family, you know, vacations, the food that they ate, whatever, do not assume that, because they’re posting normally or regularly that they are okay, still check in with them.

    Still ask them how they’re doing.

    Maybe every time they post or the first post of their day or week or whatever.

    If they are people who are important to you use that opportunity to start a conversation with them, and say, Hey, how are things going, right? I know last week, such and such was happening, and you seem pretty torn up about it, how’s it going.

    And in that way, you will diffuse both versions of the highlight reel is dangerous, right? Because you will get a chance to talk to your friend and get a sense of what’s happening that’s outside of the highlight reel.

    So that you don’t feel bad comparing yourself to them.

    And to if there’s something wrong.

    When you reach out to them privately.

    You may detect stuff that they didn’t publish, but they didn’t share.

    So that is I would call the two dangers of the highlight reel of social media.

    I hope that you found this mind reading, if you will.

    Interesting.

    And I hope it gives you some food for thought.

    Things that you can think about to improve the quality of your life, and the strength of the friendships and relationships you have.

    Thanks for tuning in.

    Got comments or questions? Leave them below.

    Right, wherever.

    And I’ll talk to you soon.

    Take care

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  • What’s the Difference Between Social Media and New Media?

    What's the Difference Between Social Media and New Media?

    To describe media, marketers and communicators have used multiple, mixed-up terms. Here are just a few ways we’ve described the media landscape in recent years:

    • Old media
    • Mass media
    • Traditional media
    • New media
    • Digital media
    • Social media
    • Social networking
    • Citizen journalism

    Of these, the differences between old media, new media, and social media are probably the most common – and the most confusion stems from the difference between new media and social media.

    Why do we need to explain the difference? Why does anyone need to differentiate between new media and social media, or mass media and digital media? For many of our stakeholders – bosses, boards of directors, shareholders – the ability to articulate the different types of media also means we articulate the value of our efforts to reach our audience in different formats, as well as describe where we need to allocate resources.

    Let’s dig into whatthese media terms mean, and how they’re different.

    The Media Landscape

    The new Media landscape diagram

    What’s the difference between old media and new media?

    What constitutes old, traditional, or mass media? Formats such as:

    • Print journalism
    • Radio
    • Television
    • Books
    • Out of home media

    Old media is characterized mostly by cost of distribution; because it tends to be physical rather than digital, old media’s costs of production and distribution are high. Note that this isn’t specific to brands or organization sizes – the New York Times is old media, but so is the Boston University Daily Free Press or NPR. New media is characterized by its digital-first nature and its low physical costs of production and distribution. New media formats include:

    • Mobile apps
    • Video
    • Blogs
    • eBooks
    • Email
    • Podcasts
    • Smart device apps
    • Video games
    • Interactive content

    New media relies on digital methods of distribution such as the Internet for reach; as such, new media is far more accessible for the average individual or small organization to produce. Certainly, individuals could have and did produce homemade newsletters, but their distribution was severely limited. In the new media landscape, an individual can have as much reach, engagement, and distribution as a Fortune 10 company.

    What’s the difference between new media and social media?

    Social media relies on one key principle that new media doesn’t necessarily rely on: the network effect. A new media property like a blog has inherent value, whether that blog has one reader or a million readers. On the other hand, a social network like Twitter would be valueless with one user. Only as the number of users – and contributors – rise do social networks become more valuable. Robert Metcalfe, the inventor of Ethernet, coined this term the network effect, in which the value of the network as a whole increases with every new node on that network.

    This is the key difference between new media and social media: social media requires the network effect, while new media does not, in order to create value.

    Social media from 2003-2013 was a subset of new media, a digital-first way to reach people. As times have changed, social media became more a form of broadcast, and then paid broadcast. Today, with algorithms and advertising dominating the ways to reach consumers on social media, it’s a different animal entirely. Today’s Facebook looks very much like a digital ads platform first.

    Social media today still offers the occasional chance for something small to grow big and fast without investment, but as advertising has become dominant, social media now requires just as much, if not more, investment as traditional old media in order to reach the same scale and impact. We might not invest millions of dollars in building a TV station or a printing press, but we’ll spend millions of dollars with a company like Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn.

    This distinction matters because it defines our strategy. We still need content, something to share when we go to buy our social media advertisements. Thus, we must lock down our new media strategy first, then develop our paid social media strategy second.

    Disclosure: This post has been revised and updated several times since its original publication. The most recent revision added in Metcalfe’s network effects.

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