Alexei asks, "What are the most essential steps to analyzing social media data with ‘engagement’ in mind?"
The steps for measuring social media engagement are the same as any other digital marketing metric, and follow the 3 Whats:
What happened?
So what?
Now what?
Let’s dig into each of these steps.
Social Media Engagement: What Happened?
Our first step in dealing with social media data has to be around extracting data to understand what happened. Based on the channels and platforms we’re dealing with, that could be as simple as exporting the data straight from our social platform’s analytics to as complex as having to write custom code to extract individual post-level data.
For example, with a platform like Agorapulse, I can export all my engagement data as a simple CSV file for analysis. For this example, I’ll focus on Twitter, but this works for any channel managed in the platform:
And to focus on a meaningful objective, let’s export traffic data to my website from Twitter as a source in Google Analytics:
We’ve now got the basic ingredients for doing our analysis. Let’s take a quick peek first:
We’ve got some messy but usable data here.
Social Media Engagement: So What?
Here’s the key question. We’ve got Twitter engagement data, and we see the different types of engagement. So what? Does engagement mean anything, or is it just a bunch of noise? The answer to this question is something we find with basic correlation analysis. We’ll benchmark all our engagement variables against site traffic from Twitter. Does anything I do with Twitter from an engagement perspective result in traffic to my site?
Let’s take a look:
What we find, using a Spearman correlation, is that there are three variables that have weak but detectable correlations to Twitter traffic: replies made to me, replies I made, and brand mentions.
The variables that we would expect to yield traffic – like new followers, or published links, or likes – don’t. None of these have a statistically significant correlation in this example to traffic from Twitter to my website.
It’s important to point out that this is not the answer. This is a hypothesis we need to test, and it’s unique to my data. Your data will inevitably be different, so you can’t take this answer and run with it on your own Twitter account. You must run this analysis with your own data.
Social Media Engagement: Now What?
So we’ve answered the key "so what" question: does any of our engagement data matter? We know three variables do. The question we must ask next is, what do we do about it? Of those variables, I have control over only one of them. I can’t control how often people reply to me. I can’t control how often people mention me. But I can absolutely control how often I reply to people, how often I jump into relevant conversations and participate.
If unpaid traffic from Twitter was a priority, then my answer to "now what" would be to develop a plan for fostering lots of engagement. Identify Twitter chats I could participate in and jump into those. Start following relevant hashtags and jump into those conversations. Find questions to answer. I’d do this for 30 days and then measure again – did I achieve the goal of more traffic to my site from Twitter?
If the answer is yes, then I’ve established that there’s not only a correlation, but a causative effect between engagement and website traffic. I now have a battle plan I can move forward with.
If the answer is no, then I’ve established that there isn’t a causal link, and I need to go back into my data and dig deeper for why.
Engagement Might Not Mean Anything
The value of this analysis is that it provides us with a direction to go, working towards a meaningful goal further down our marketing operations funnel. We have to be prepared for an answer we don’t like: all the social media engagement might not mean anything if it’s not generating business results, so be prepared for that possibility.
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One of the pieces of advice I give frequently is to keep an eye on, to listen to your best customers. What are they saying? What’s on their minds? What do they care about, and how well aligned are you to it?
For example, during contentious times, you may want to pause some social media activity as part of your crisis communications response plan. How do you know when to turn things back on? When your monitoring system lets you know that the crisis period has abated, you know it’s time to resume business as usual.
So, what are some options for building customer monitoring systems? Let’s look at five solutions, in order of increasing complexity and cost.
Simplest Monitoring Solution: Twitter Lists
By far the easiest, a Twitter list helps you get a snapshot of what your customers are saying in bite-sized chunks.
It’s straightforward and simple, with a couple of catches.
First, you have to manually check it. There are no reminders or alerts. Second, your best customers may not be on Twitter, or may not be active on it. Bear in mind as well that you’re monitoring for both individual people and brands, so be sure to add both to your lists.
Basic Monitoring Solution: Talkwalker Alerts
Want something more comprehensive than Twitter? Talkwalker’s free Alerts service (an improvement over the once-useful Google Alerts) provides exactly that – news and alert monitoring.
Talkwalker Alerts are sent either by email or RSS feed, and you construct them using the same Boolean search syntax you use for Google searches. You’re limited to 10 clauses/operators in your searches, so if you’ve got a lot of customers and brands to monitor, you’ll need to set up multiple searches.
Featuring multiple media types and the ability to both isolate and download data, Brand24 provides you a reasonably thorough view of what your customers have going on. Monitoring systems like this give you the ability to dig in, set up multiple alert types, and export data for analysis.
Brand24 pricing begins at US$49/month and gives you a rolling 30-day window of data.
Robust Monitoring Solution: Talkwalker Pro
Talkwalker offers a pro version of its monitoring service that to me is best-in-class. They support robust, rich data downloads and have tons of pre-built apps and systems you can use to monitor customers.
Powerful visualization and analysis tools help you dig into not only what your customers are saying or doing, but also identifying who is amplifying and spreading their messages. For monitoring what your best customers are doing, saying, and interacting with, there’s no better solution.
Talkwalker Pro pricing begins at US$750/month and gives you up to 13 months of back data.
Most Complex Monitoring Solution: Custom Build
Depending on your needs, you may have to build your dream solution. For example, all monitoring services place restrictions on how much Twitter data you’re permitted to download each day. If you need every and any Tweet on a specific topic, you’ll have to build your own server and extract the data from Twitter’s Streaming API. Almost all services are restricted in the kinds and types of data you’re allowed to download from Facebook, so you may have to custom-code your own solutions there as well if there are very specific types of data you need access to.
The advantage of custom builds is your software does exactly what you want it to, subject to the technical and policy limits of your data sources. The disadvantage is that you have to write and maintain your own software.
Customer Monitoring Systems Roundup
So, there you have it – five different solutions based on your needs, complexity, and cost. Which one is right for you depends on how much you’re willing to invest and what your data needs are.
FTC Disclosures
Talkwalker provided me with a free account for evaluation and review purposes. Talkwalker is also a business partner of my company, Trust Insights.
Brand24 provided me with a free account for evaluation and review purposes. Brand24 is an affiliate of my company, Trust Insights, and a portion of any purchase is paid to Trust Insights as a commission.
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Iain asks, “Fact or fiction. Using third party schedulers for social media posts get a kick shins as they haven’t come from the native platform tools?”
Some testing has been done on this front, but none of the tests, from what I’ve read, have been done as rigorously as they should have been. Watch the video for an explanation of how to run the test for yourself.
You Ask, I Answer: Third Party Schedulers and Social Content Performance?
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In today’s episode, Ian asks factor fiction using third party schedulers for social media posts, get a kick, kick in the shins as they haven’t come from the native platform tools.
This is a good question, because it highlights some of the issues that we have in marketing with analytics and statistics.
Specifically, some companies have done some testing on this Agorapulse has done some testing buffer has done some testing a few other social media posting tools have done some testing.
And obviously, one of the challenges there.
Well, there’s several challenges.
One is there’s an inherent conflict of interest if a third party company is testing to see if third party companies to penalize but that’s not reason enough to disqualify their efforts.
Because as long as it’s done in a statistically valid way, and methodologies are disclosed, and data is made available, then it’s totally fine, right? It’s the same with any kind of academic research, you disclose your funding, you disclose your conflicts of interest, if any, so that people know that the study may or may not be as neutral as it could be.
Here’s the issue with the testing that’s been done.
It’s not that it’s been by third parties, it’s that it’s not been done in a statistically rigorous way, not rigorous enough.
And the prot, the reason for this is that a lot of the data that’s out there is it’s not well structured.
So there’s two ways that you can statistically test for something like this one is to run true A B tests where you’re running the same content, well, one from one tool, one from whatever the control is, and it has to be the same content, or has to be very similar to the content so that a post that contains cats, people hit like cats, does well.
And it shouldn’t matter which method you’ve posted by.
So you have to post one with cats in your treatment group and one with cats in your control group.
That tends not to be the case when a lot of testing goes on.
And understandably so because if you’re doing that, you’re essentially double posting your content.
And it gets tricky, it gets tricky to manage that.
The second methodology that you can use is a stats technique called propensity score matching, where you take a whole bunch of data, and you group it, you cluster it and then you try to find data that is similar in each of the groups is kind of like building a, an A B test retro actively.
The challenge there is you need a lot of data, you need a thousands of data points so that you can match control groups create essentially a control group, a control group and a treatment group of similarly performing content, so that you can see if the variant is because of the treatment or not, in this case, using a third party tool.
So how would you go about doing this? Well, again, if you’re going the AV route, you create a bunch of social content, half of it, you basically duplicate it, you make a copy of everything, right.
And then you put one copy in your native platform and one copy in your Scheduler.
And after a while you run the numbers and you see which content perform better.
accepting the fact that you’re going to have double posted content.
And second method is using again, the data that you get out of your systems, you will need to tag if the social platforms in their analytics don’t give it to you, you’ll need to tag which was third party scheduler, and which was native.
And then run a propensity score match.
So let’s take a look at what this looks like here.
So this is Twitter.
Twitter, very kindly provides weather a post was well what tool a post was from, which is super, super handy.
And so if I look in my data frame here, let’s go ahead and take a look at our sources.
We have 18 different possible sources.
We have a whole bunch of individuals and then we have the Twitter family official clients and then some more individuals there.
So what I’ve done is I’ve extracted the last 3200 tweets from my account, removing retweets, because retweets.
We’re trying to test stuff that is native and then assigning if it was used, if Twitter the native platform was the source Want to go with in this case I’m going to make that the treatment doesn’t really matter is just assign the groups.
And then if it was a third party tool, make it a zero.
No, it makes more sense to logically do this, let’s, let’s back this up.
So treatment is going to be using the third party tool.
Let’s go ahead and run our matching test.
Okay, and we have as a result, the treated group meaning a third party tool, on measures of favorites, retweets and engagement, when we look at the main difference, third party content in for my account on Twitter does slightly better than the stuff from the native platform.
Now, again, this is really important.
This is my account.
So you can’t generalize this to anybody else, you should do this on your own account.
And this is for Twitter only.
So you’d want to perform similar tests, with similar data on the social platforms, you care about Instagram, YouTube, Facebook, whatever.
But this is the methodology for how you do this, you can either retro actively do it with a propensity score match, or you can do a true AB test.
Let’s take a look at one more let’s do I know it’s in the data set.
So let’s test this.
Oh, and did not work because I need to switch this to nearest? There we go.
So in this case for this account, similar the treatment slightly better.
So is there a difference in third party tools? Yes.
And actually, in this case, a couple of tests here, we’ve seen that it’s a slight improvement.
Should you generalize this to your social media strategy? No, no, I would test this with your own data, make sure that this idea applies to you specifically, because that’s what you care about, you don’t really care about my account, you care about your account.
So you’d want to to run this similar type of testing for you.
That said, based on the less statistically rigorous tests we’ve seen, based on doing something with a bit more rigor, so far, haven’t seen any strong evidence that third party tools cause harm, right, if anything, scheduled content, at least in my tests, performs slightly better.
So does that mean that you should change your strategy now? run the test for yourself first, get the answer for yourself first, and then build your strategy on that.
And if you don’t have the capacity to do this, then I would say frankly, it doesn’t hurt to use third party tools so far.
Again, the various tests have been out there kind of proven to one degree or another, there’s not substantial harm.
There’s certainly nothing that makes you go Oh, wow, that was That’s terrible.
Like, let’s let’s stop using these immediately.
It’s not the case.
And again, you have to test this for each platform you’re on because each platform has different algorithms.
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Anna asks, “Would you mind sharing a social media strategy tip that advanced marketers could use to improve their clients’ results?”
Advanced is a relative term, but sure. The biggest question that challenges agencies is, what exactly are the results you’re being paid for? Once you’ve got that figured out, then use attribution analysis to guide your overall social media strategy.
You Ask, I Answer: Advanced Social Media Strategy Tip?
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In today’s episode asks, would you mind sharing a social media strategy tip that advanced marketers could use to improve their clients results? advanced is a relative term.
The challenge about asking for advanced tips is it really depends on what you mean by advanced.
But Sure, let’s do something that is a little more advanced than the average market is probably going to be doing.
Here’s the thing with agencies with social media and with results.
Very, very, very few clients and agencies are really clear on the results they’re trying to achieve on behalf of a client.
If you are not clear about that, and you don’t have any way of measuring it, then you’re going to produce results and strategies and tactics that are effectively meaningless, that they’re at best cranking out vanity metrics.
And then you have no mathematical proof that the thing that you’re doing has any impact on the business.
So the prerequisite to this tip is that you’ve got to have things like solid web analytics in place with goals and goal values that are connected to the business that have meaning.
If you are being paid just to crank out followers or engagements or mentions, then there really isn’t a whole lot of advanced strategy to that.
Because the results not particularly advanced, right? where things get advanced is when you start connecting your social media results to actual business results.
And being able to demonstrate Yes, this thing that we’re doing actually matters.
So what is something like that look like? Well, on my own website, I have a bunch of conversions, you can buy a book, sign up for newsletter, etc.
And what I want to know is, what of the activities I’m doing actually matter.
Right? What stuff has meaning as helping me achieve my goals.
So let’s go ahead and bring this up here.
This is a data driven customer journey, something that Trust Insights produces for its clients.
Now, what you’re looking at here is an attribution model.
It’s an attribution models for digital channels, derived from Google Analytics data.
And the premise is that as with things like sports, just because somebody a player scores the the goal, or the basket or the point or whatever, doesn’t mean that the other people on the team didn’t have some kind of participation in that right, very, very few sports are played, where there’s one person who does all the work, and everybody else just kind of sits on the bench and watches, right.
Tennis, I guess would be, but it’s not a team sport.
So like basketball, hockey, American football, European football, all these all these players on the field.
And the question that a lot of coaches want to understand is what is what are the synergies between those players? Is there somebody who’s a really good, you know, it’s got really good passing game in basketball, and can get the ball to the person who can shoot.
When we look at attribution models and marketing, a lot of the times, they’re all what’s called last touch.
So again, you’re looking at the last person who touched the ball before the basket went in.
Well, that ignores the fact that that person can’t take the shot, if the ball never gets to them.
A good attribution model, a more sophisticated attribution model looks at the interplay between all the different players.
So in this case, what we’re looking at here are the different sources and mediums for things that contribute to conversions on my website.
And it may not be the last thing somebody did.
In fact, it probably is not something somebody did a good amount of the time, but it was it played such a pivotal role.
Any one of these things listed on this chart that it helped along a conversion.
And that helps us better set things like budgets and resources.
So when I look at this, I’ve color coded here by things like social media, or referral traffic, etc.
And we see that that magenta, I guess, this magenta color, Twitter about line six, is responsible for 2.1% of the conversions on my website, right.
Now, keep in mind, I post on stuff like LinkedIn, and Facebook, and Pinterest and all these different websites frequently, right? But Twitter here is the one that’s generating traffic and conversions.
Facebook is way down to the bottom here.
See, it’s like fifth from the bottom is Facebook.
And YouTube is kind of in the middle of the pack.
So at least I’m doing something right with YouTube, but these videos, but it’s still not generating the same kind of results that Twitter is.
So for me, when I’m talking about my social media strategy that generates results I have to do is look at this chart and go Now I know what’s generating conversions for me.
And here’s the question.
And this is where your strategy goes up a level, you see the results in a chart like this.
Now, the question is, how does that match with the effort and the resources you’re putting into it? If Twitter is my number six performing channel, but as number three in terms of consuming budget, there’s a problem, right? If YouTube is number one on 11, or 12, on here, but it’s number 14 on my budget list, right? Like I pay no money, I give YouTube no time, then that would be a good thing, right? That would suggest, hey, maybe that mismatch means there’s an A results arbitrage opportunity, if I put minimal impact into YouTube now.
I mean, if I put minimal effort into YouTube now, and I’m getting this impact, what would happen if I scaled up my effort, vice versa? If I look at Twitter, when I say ha, I’m putting, you know, 10% of my effort into Twitter, and I’m only getting 2% of the results.
That’s not a good sign.
Right.
So with really good attribution analysis with effective attribution analysis, you can judge the relative ratios of the effort and the results that you’re getting for any of your marketing channels, but especially social media channels.
And we want to do this at the individual channel level, because a lot of the times, particularly for large organizations, you may have a different team even that runs Facebook, then Twitter, then YouTube, then Instagram.
And if you don’t have your data split out like this, it’s harder to get at that.
Now, can you do this with Google Analytics in the interface? No, this is something that has to be done outside of Google Analytics, because Google Analytics does not have the processing capability to offer to users to give them this report, in a timely fashion, they could absolutely do it.
But it would just be like, go get a sandwich and get the support later.
And so that’s what makes this advanced is you need to write code to talk to the Google Analytics API to get the data out to run this analysis.
Unless you’re using the new Google Analytics for In which case, you should be talking to your BigQuery database to get the same information out.
But that’s what makes it advanced.
It’s, there’s a technical barrier to entry.
And then there’s what you do with the data.
If you just look at this and go, ha, that’s cool.
And then you move on with your day, and you don’t change anything that this has no value.
Right? It’s like any metrics, you look at it, you don’t change what you do, has no value, what Seth Godin says, if you don’t change what you eat, or how often you exercise, don’t get on scale, right? Same thing with analytics, if you’re not going to change what you do and how you spend and what your strategy is, you don’t need analytics, right? Because the data doesn’t inspire a decision.
The advanced part of this comes from making a decision from our data.
In this case, I’m going to say, hey, emails working really well.
What can I do with more email? Right? I’m not spending a lot of money on it.
I’m not spending a lot of time on it compared to the time I spend on YouTube every day, right? Or on video every day.
Maybe I should be doing a daily newsletter instead.
I’m into interesting things to ponder.
So that’s it advanced social media strategy tip for the advanced marketer.
And if you’re not at this point yet, in terms of being able to create these reports, hey, hit me up.
We do them for for clients, and then you have to do the decision making based on them.
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Heidi asks, “What are the major social media tools you use?”
My tools can be divided into three basic categories:
– Data science
– Social media management
– Content creation
For data science, I use:
– Crowdtangle from Facebook
– Talkwalker monitoring
– The individual networks themselves
– Google GDELT for news
– R Studio and the R programming language
– Native platform APIs
For management, I use:
– Agorapulse
– Custom code for creating content
– Various messaging
– Native platform apps
What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for watching the video.
In today’s episode, Heidi asks, What are the major social media tools you use? Gosh, that’s a big question.
I think probably the easiest way to roll this together, it would be looking at the tools by roll because there’s so many of them.
And with the understanding that I approach social media a little differently than, than most people, it’s, it’s a data source for me first, and then secondarily a platform for communication.
So I think that’s an important distinction to make.
For the data side of things, data science and data sources.
The big tools, there are going to be CrowdTangle from Facebook, which is still available if you were grandfathered into the council, but it’s a really rich data source allows you to download large quantities of data from Facebook, Instagram, and Reddit Talkwalker, which is a monitoring tool, but also just a really, really good source of data from all the major networks, blogs, forum, some stuff on the web, really, really powerful.
And very generous.
The amount of data can give you the individual social networks themselves, particularly their API’s, I use the Twitter API a ton.
And it is again, very robust gives you a lot of data.
I think I probably pulled guests by about 11, or 12% of every single Prime Day tweet, which is in the hundreds of thousands of tweets, from the Twitter API, the G delt project from Google, from the Google News initiative is a huge, massively huge database of news that gives you URLs gives you news impact and stuff, really terrific, very, very powerful.
Not really a great user interface.
But it doesn’t have to be, you get a Big Query database, and you have to know how to use it in order to get data out of it.
But if you want a comprehensive list of all the news happening in near real time, like in 15 minute intervals, you can’t beat it.
And then of course, for processing all this, I use the our programming language and our studio, which is a moderately friendly user interface, but really robust in terms of all the things it can do to help make processing all this data easier.
On the management side for managing my social media accounts.
Agorapulse is my tool of choice there.
Again, lets you connect everything lets us schedule stuff in bulk, which is very useful.
I wrote a lot of custom code to create content for, for social media, for publishing in particular.
So there’s a SQL database that I have that pulls in news and blogs and stuff and then scores them based on content that I want to be sharing on my accounts.
And then that spits out files, batch files for Agorapulse, that can then just load and then once a week, we fresh top up the accounts.
And then they have a week’s worth of content.
I did that because I got tired of spending hours a week curating content, when really, it’s a very repetitive task, that machines can do 80% as well.
90% as well as a person but you know, it’s it’s that’s more than good enough to trade hours a week for 15 minutes a week.
All the different messaging apps for managing your social media, Facebook, messenger, Instagram, all this stuff.
And all the native platform apps, particularly on mobile devices, because it’s just easiest to do one offs on those.
And those apps.
And then for content creation.
There’s a whole bunch of stuff there how you do use Adobe Creative Cloud, particularly Photoshop, an awful lot and Adobe Audition for editing audio.
So for things like podcasts, it’s it’s an invaluable tool.
I use TechSmith Camtasia I’m using right now to record these videos.
Because it’s, for me, it’s just the right balance of powerful and easy to use, right like iMovie it’s too easy to use not enough features too inflexible Adobe Premiere, is you know, it’s like taking a Harrier to the grocery store, you just not not a good fit.
Most of the time, it’s absolutely the gold standard for really big video projects, but not for a day to day stuff.
So Camtasia is sits right in the middle between those two.
Good enough nonlinear editor, good features, still can get in and get out and get done quickly.
Techsmith Snagit for screencaptures and for making animations, particularly Gif animations is super useful.
Ava is an AI tool for generating music.
So a lot of the intro and outro music in the content I create is machine generated because it’s really royalty free, you never have to pay for what you pay for the membership data, but then you don’t have to pay like royalties and things, which is always useful.
Make sure you never get sued.
otter otter.ai is a transcription service.
Again, we use it every single day with these posts, take these videos and turn them into transcripts and stuff.
The Joplin app, which is if you if you’re familiar with Evernote Joplin is an open source version of that.
And that is where I keep a lot of my notes.
A lot of my day to day publishing stuff gets stored in there are a lot of my writing for things like newsletters, and for longer social posts.
My daily pandemic newsletter I write in Joplin.
And finally, on the contents side, the Levelator app, which is a one click two clicks, leveling software that can fix a multitude of audio sins.
When you’re doing recordings, so especially for podcasts.
And that, Oh, I forgot a stream yard, we stream yard for live streaming for the Trust Insights, live show.
And all of these tools, they all have to work together in some fashion.
They all have to be you know, support data, import data export, be able to measure things well, for the content creation stuff has to support as many different formats as you know, feasible and reasonable.
So there’s a lot of tools I’ve looked at over the years that don’t fit into my workflow.
Just because I don’t use them doesn’t mean they’re bad.
It’s just that either they cost too much, or they they don’t work with how I like to work.
So I think it’s an important distinction when you’re building your social media technology stack.
It’s not a question necessarily of you know, the best in class software for every given job you’re trying to do.
It is more, making sure it works the way you work.
There’s there’s a lot of tools that are intuitive for some people, not intuitive for others.
Even something as silly as like when Facebook rolled out this new user interface, you know, a lot of people were like, What in the world is this thing.
And understandably, so it was a major change the new interface functions and more like a mobile app in a lot of ways.
And there’s some stuff from the old interface that I missed because it fit my workflow better.
This is not the case in in, in the new one.
So when you’re deciding about tools for your social media technology stack, make sure that they work with how you work, they work out how your team works.
That’s another important thing about a lot of the tools I mentioned here is many of them do support like teams and multiple users, some of them don’t.
Some of them are single user, things that you might have to share a login for and stuff.
So no, no your requirements before you start shopping, make sure you write them down.
Like it needs to do this, it needs to do this, this would be nice to have a nice to fit in this budget amount.
And that will give you a better sense of what works for you.
Regardless of what company you work for.
There will be some tools that you will just take with you from job to job that provide you a lot of power or just fit the way you personally work.
And don’t leave those behind.
If you change jobs change companies.
Don’t be afraid to take your stuff with you, even if it’s just managing your own personal social media accounts because some tools just work the way you work.
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Erika asks, “How do you find your ideal audience on Twitter?”
Twitter is one of the easiest networks to map and understand. Using techniques like network graphing, you can quickly find the engaged, interested audience you care about for your business, on any topic. Watch the video for an example.
You Ask, I Answer: Finding Ideal Audience on Twitter?
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In today’s episode, Erica asks, How do you find your ideal audience on Twitter? Well, I guess it depends on how you define an ideal audience.
But Twitter is one of the easiest networks to map and understand that API is relatively generous with information.
And it contains information that is incredibly valuable.
And that information is how different users interact with each other.
If I tweet at you, Twitter presents data that allows me to map out one part of the network, talk to another part of the network, and vice versa.
That’s not something that you can get at all out of LinkedIn, can’t get it really out of Facebook, Instagram, you can sorta get it but only if you have access to the Instagram Data API, which not many people do any more.
Can’t do that on Pinterest.
So that’s one of the reasons why Twitter forms the backbone of most influencer mapping tools, in fact, arguably a little too much, a little bit too much, because it’s the most visible of networks.
So what is it that you would look for in an ideal audience, you would look for an audience that is topically relevant, you would look for an audience that is highly engaged.
And you look for an audience, it’s mostly human, right? That’s those are really the kinds of things that you’d want to be looking for, to understand.
And follow those folks.
Because they’re the ones who that would then be interacting with you, and their interactions with you and make you visible to their audiences.
Right? It’s the whole Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon thing where if you’re visible, and they’re visible, and so on, and so forth, you can be seen by many more people than you might think.
So how do we find this? Well, let’s switch things around here.
Let’s move over to our our visual display here.
The first thing we would need to do, and this is not shown on screen is get the data out of the Twitter API.
You can do this with social media monitoring tools, I use Talkwalker, you can query the API directly.
If you have programming skills.
Once you get that information out of the API, you map it to.
It’s basically a big spreadsheet of who talks to whom this over and over again, all these different conversations.
And what you end up with is this kind of chart.
This is a network graph.
And this is a bunch of tweet chats about SEO, social media, public relations communications, for the last month, I’m going to go ahead and hit the Run button here.
And let’s turn off our strong gravity here.
And what we’re mapping is how people interact with each other and zoom out a little bit.
And you can see there are some nodes that are bigger, they’re a larger nodes, because those are nodes that people talk to more.
And there are some nodes that are small will have a lot of outgoing connections.
Those are very talkative people who are talking to others.
Right.
This is also by the way, the backbone of influencer identification, who is the most talked about, right, because whoever’s the most talked about that account clearly has the attention of a lot of people.
And if your brand your handle whatever was mentioned or talked about by that node, there’s a good chance a lot of people would see it.
And they’re the right kind of people.
They’re the kind of people who they are.
Their team.
tastemakers, right, they’re mavens, if you want to use the Malcolm Gladwell term, when they talk, everybody listens.
And so when we’re doing our audience construction, we would want to follow everybody on in this chart here.
But especially if we can win over those big accounts.
So let’s go ahead and stop this now that the network is formed and move over to our preview mode.
And let’s make this look attractive.
Okay, so now we can see all these different networks.
Now, if I care more about, say SEO, this green audience is definitely the SEMrush audience and I’d want to follow them and all these people who are in their audience, I care about content marketing, as you see my here.
There’s an awful lot of you know, this purple ish magenta ish audience.
Again, folks that didn’t want to spend a lot of time following if I cared about things like communications, public relations, SF Erica and this, this cluster here would be the people to follow.
So what we see is let’s zoom into the blue cluster here.
We’ve got some additional folks in this you know, lightest blue cluster, I’m not sure what account they’re most associated with, but we can see those these different communities within the Twitter chat room.
That would want to engage with follow all the people who are in the green community or the purple community or the great dark gray community.
Now, you do have us on Twitter, that’s of course not, you would put in the industry search terms of your choice into your social media monitoring tool to extract the raw data out.
If it’s industrial, concrete, or coffee shops, or b2b, SaaS, firewalls, whatever the thing is, finding your ideal audience is identifying who’s talking about the topic, how they interact with each other.
And then following the people who are the most interactive in that topic, right.
That’s how you find your ideal audience.
Those are, that’s how you make your account grow in a sensible way.
Because you’re talking about and to the people who are having conversations about your, your topics and keywords.
This is especially powerful if your industry has terms or words or jargon that other people don’t use, right, I used to work in financial aid.
And there’s this form that many parents know that nobody likes the FAFSA, the Free Application for Federal Student Aid, that is a term that you don’t use, except in the context of financial aid.
And so following everybody who uses that term, and then mapping out that conversation cloud and finding who the most influential people about that term would be a great way to very quickly grow an account, say if you were creating a social media account about student loans and financial aid.
That’s how you do that.
If you are in email marketing, there are the three protocols SPF dcam, and demark.
If you were trying to grow an email marketing account, following people who are using those terms, would be a clear and easy way to map out that audience and understand who the big names who are the most talked about in that particular audience.
So having that jargon, makes it very easy to slice and dice down.
Same with hashtags.
If you have a major trade show once a year, taking that trade shows hashtag, and then seeing who’s having conversations, especially this year 2020, when all the shows are virtual, and many are free, you can map out and see people having conversations about a show that they might not have paid to go to in the past, but because it’s free and online this year, you can see those conversations, map them out, and then build your audience from there.
So that’s how you find your ideal audience.
Now, the bad news is that this process, there isn’t an off the shelf boxed product, right.
This is typically something you have to do yourself or hire somebody to do it for you.
Because it’s connecting three or four different technologies together, gluing them together, and building this map.
But once you do it, and once you have, you know, you’ve collected the data, you don’t have to do this every single day, right, you can effectively pull up the spreadsheet for this, you get out of it an output that looks just like a any ordinary spreadsheet.
And with all the different rankings of who’s most important within your your space.
And that is your starting point, right? You have all the handles, and you can just go through, go down and start following people and see you know how your audience goes based on who follows you back and then it’s up to you to have interactions with these people.
Right? So the most follow the most engaged folks, you don’t just follow them and expect magic happen.
You have to go and do the work right? You have to go and engage with people.
You have to have conversations, share their stuff, everything that you would any public relations professional, but no, it’s like these are the things I need to do to get the attention of the tastemakers in my industry, following them, engaging with them be sharing their stuff, retweeting them, commenting, liking their stuff, all that kind of thing to build your network.
So that’s the last part of the process is doing the work to engage that ideal audience.
But this is how you do it.
If you want to do it as fast as possible and as effective as possible.
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Sergey asks, “Is it possible to measure the impact of your social media on SEO? If so, how would you do this?”
I’d look at content which has been socially shared and its SEO performance versus content that has not been. Using the SEO tool of your choice, extract the data and look at the difference in the metrics to get a sense of the correlation, then set up a testing plan to establish causality.
You Ask, I Answer: Measuring Social Media Impact on SEO?
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In today’s episode, Sergei asks, Is it possible to measure the impact of your social media on SEO? If so, how would you do this? So that’s a good question is one that comes up a lot? Can we make any informed guesses about how social and SEO may work together? Can we see an effect of social media on SEO? That’s a really good question.
And there are a few different ways to handle this.
The Gold Standard would be to set up a trial to set up an experiment to create some content that is socially shared, and some content that is not.
Here’s the challenge, you don’t have control over the audience, right? If you publish a blog post, and your audience follows it, and they start sharing it, well guess what they technically ruined your experiment, even if you didn’t want that shared, because that’s just the nature of how social media works.
So to judge whether or not social media and SEO have any kind of relationship we have to do.
It’s essentially propensity matching to try and create, in retrospect, those two sets of data, one set of blog posts or content of any kind, that has not been shared, and one set that has been.
So how do you do this? Well, we would take data from the SEO tool of your choice, I’m going to use h refs here, which is one of the tools I like using, and let’s go ahead and type in my blog here.
And what I get is, you know, some of the blog posts on my website, and let’s go ahead and remove that filter there.
And when you look at this, in depth, when you look this up close, what you get are the traffic, that a site gets the number of referring domains to that URL, which is a good SEO indicator, right? Because we know that referring links and referring domains are still the bulk of what constitutes good SEO, and then the social shares for any given post.
So what do we do with this information? Well, it’s difficult to do a mathematical analysis like this just as is because you’re going to run into what are called balance problems.
Especially if you’re dealing with marketing content, or stuff that’s been marketed to people, again, you don’t have control over who shares what so you’re going to get an imbalanced data set where more content has been shared, and probably that has not been.
So in order to get a true apples to apples comparison, we have to separate out similar apples from both buckets.
Apples, in this case, content that has been shared content has not been shared, that are similarly shaped, right, if again, if you think about physical apples, if you’re trying to compare, you know, the average health of apples, you have one basket of apples, where the apples of the size of basketballs and the other basket where the apples of size golf balls, you’re going to get a very different result, even if there’s tactically the same number of apples in each basket, because they’re just wildly different.
So in order to get a true compassion, we will want to find blog content, or whatever content that has similar traffic, or similar referring domains or other similar SEO measures, and some and similar social stuff together.
So here’s how we do this.
We start by going in the data.
And then we essentially pair it up, you know, one to one for data that does that is similar, and that, and then we look at the difference between those two datasets.
So what we see for this match data is that for content that has been socially shared, we’re gonna call that our treatment group.
Because we’re going to look for any number of shares in Twitter, Facebook, or Pinterest, the lump that together and call that a one like yes, this has been socialized, socially shared, and they’re all three rows of zero, we call it a zero, like has not been shared.
So we have our control, the stuff has not been shared, we have retreated, the stuff that has been shared.
When we look at the traffic, what are the traffic differences? For stuff that has not been shared, on average, 38 visits from organic search on stuff that has been shared ad visits from organic search on the traffic on the number of free domains 10 referring domains on average, the mean for non shared 46 for shared.
Now, what does this tell us? This tells us that stuff that has been shared tends to have better SEO metrics out of this pool.
In this case, this was 36,000 pieces of content.
In this particular selected group.
Now, this is marketing content, right, largely to marketers.
And so you would have to run this on your own content, right on your own website, with your own social metrics to do the same thing but for your stuff.
This is not gospel.
This is not generalizable This is mostly my stuff.
And so I see that for my SEO efforts, social sharing seems to have a beneficial relationship to it.
Now, here’s the catch.
This is retrospective, right? And this is as good as you can get with causality.
Unless you actually set up that experiment you eat again, even then you have no control over what other people do so like the other people can mess up your experiment.
So by doing this kind of matching, this is as close as we can get in with real world data.
I take this away to say that sharing has benefits for my SEO.
And in some cases, like the number of referring domains, it’s substantial, right? It’s it’s a decent chunk of stuff.
What do I do with this information? I keep sharing, right? If I saw that, there was no change between the control and the treatment.
In my data.
I go, you know, it doesn’t seem like you’re actively sharing and promoting stuff on social media has an impact.
But I do I know, I, I share an awful lot on social media.
And so I see the benefits of it here.
This is how to measure that impact to get a sense of is it working? The challenge here is it doesn’t tell you necessarily ways that you can measure the say in an application like Google Analytics, we had to pull an SEO data from social data from a third party application.
I would want to ideally substitute in Google Analytics data, if possible to match things up by URLs because Google Analytics has better data.
And you can get paid level organic search data straight out of Google Analytics.
So that’s the approach I would take to find out, does social media have any kind of impact on your SEO? And again, I can’t emphasize strongly enough, this is my data from my websites under my control.
This is not other people’s stuff, your answer will vary.
Your answer will vary.
So please don’t assume that this applies to you.
Right, you have to run this test for yourself.
But it’s a good question.
And and it is a statistically challenging question to answer.
There are a number of techniques that try to take real world data and backfit it essentially into an experiment like setting to get a more clear answer.
This is one of the better methods, it’s called propensity score matching.
But you have to do it for yourself, you cannot rely on a third party to do it.
You can’t even rely on an industry, industry level survey because again, everybody’s gonna be different.
Right? What IBM does on its website, it’s gonna be very different than what I do with my website.
And their content is different than that’s, you know, what marketingprofs does on their website is very different from what’s on my website.
And so we have to, we have to do apples to apples with our own stuff as much as possible and not look to general industry examples.
So good question.
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Sofia asks, “Do social media likes, shares, and comments have an impact on SEO?”
This is a tricky question to answer because the answer will be different for every company. Broadly, we’ve studied in the past and see no clear correlation, but it’s something you have to test for yourself.
You Ask, I Answer: Social Media Engagement and SEO?
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In today’s episode, Sophia asks, do social media likes shares and comments have an impact on SEO? Well, so this is a tricky question, because the answer is going to be different for everyone.
A long time ago, we did a big analysis of 10s of thousands of websites, and social shares and stuff like that.
And broadly found there was not a strong correlation between social media activity and SEO.
That said, it varies, it varies by company and by how you use search, because remember, the strongest predictor of SEO results is typically the number of inbound links that you get.
If you are conducting your social media strategy for that purpose, getting people to find your content, getting people to link to your content, social media may very well deliver a strong SEO result.
If on the other hand, you just sharing stuff and things and, and having conversations and being active in your community, then it may not have as strong result for SEO purposes.
And I think that’s a really important thing to say is for SEO purposes, you have to measure very specific outcomes, as opposed to just general traffic, etc.
So how would you know this? How would you know this? Well, the way to determine this is by using statistical tools to test you need your page view data from Google Analytics, you need your paid organic page searches from Google Analytics to see if you’re getting search traffic.
And you need some kind of SEO metric like page authority page authority is available from almost every SEO tool out there.
h refs, which is the tool that I use, delivers that so to do the others like SEMrush, and Moz, all these other ones.
And, again, what we’re looking for is what has the highest mathematical relationship to that.
So let’s flip this around here.
What I’ve done is I’ve gone into my database, and I’ve pulled in 800 pages from my website with Google Analytics, traffic numbers, and pageviews, clicks.
Facebook shares, Twitter shares, Pinterest, Reddit, no word length number of words in the article from my database, where I have pageviews, and I have social shares.
And we’re going to run it through a regression algorithm, this case gradient boosting, to figure out what has the highest relationship to the metric we care about, which in this case is going to be that page authority.
And what we see here is that for page authority, total inbound links is the strongest predictor, it’s hands down the top predictor.
And we see two weak predictors, content length, and Twitter shares.
They’re the Twitter shares, one is a very weak predictor, it is not, I would not bet the farm on this, and then Facebook shares and Pinterest, you know, nothing.
So for my website, if I want to predict what leads to higher page authority, it’s going to be total links, I’ve got to go get those links and social shares, at least the way I’m using social media right now.
Clearly not using it for SEO purposes.
Right? There’s just no evidence of that for my website.
Now, here’s the question, is that a valid metric is that what we should be focusing on? I would argue that probably it’s not going to be as good as if I focused on something like pageviews.
Right pays you seems to me like it’d be a slightly better thing to focus on.
So let’s rerun this model.
If I want actual traffic, and see what the machinery comes up with here.
Now while it’s doing this, again, one of the things that we have to give some thought to is are we focused on the right metrics? Are we focused on an SEO metric? Or are we focused on an outcome? In this case, I’ve just changed the outcome to page views, how much traffic did I get to these from any source from any source.
And again, we see here page authority, a very strong predictor of traffic, right? And content length, a very, very strong predictor as well.
So if I want more traffic in general, I should focus on these things then total links is a is a medium predictor.
Facebook shares becomes a medium predictor.
So that’s interesting.
In the previous example, we were focusing on an SEO metric, Facebook didn’t make the cut.
If I focused on getting people to my page, Facebook is a usable metric here, Facebook shares, number of shares that my content gets.
It is not SEO.
Right? Facebook is not usable for SEO.
If I click back to this previous plot, we can see, I’m not getting page authority.
But here, total links, content, word count, are for traffic, and then Facebook for traffic, Twitter, not so much Pinterest.
And of course, Reddit still didn’t make the cut.
That probably has a lot to do the fact that I don’t really post on Reddit.
So the question we have to ask ourselves from a strategy perspective is which metric? Are we going after more? I would say that page authority being the highest predictor of traffic means that yeah, it’s probably a good idea for me to pursue an SEO strategy.
And then knowing that I can then focus on the thing that drives that strategy, which is getting inbound links.
How do I go and get those inbound links? Clearly, I don’t do it with social media.
So I have to be able to do it from sub some other way.
And I would have to look into my SEO processes to ask, what should I be doing? To get that, to get those links? Do I need to be doing more outreach? Do I need to be creating better content? Do I need to have a PR firm representing me? Do I need to be pitching journalists on Twitter? It doesn’t really matter.
As long as I’ve Well, it doesn’t matter.
But what I’ve ascertained here is that for SEO purposes, social media, not super important for traffic, social media is a little more important.
And I think that that’s a really, really important thing for you to do before you go trying to figure out, is social media, a way to drive our SEO strategy, figure out do you is your SEO strategy working? And then go and bring that information in? So that’s the process for doing this now.
Is this something that anybody can do? Absolutely.
And you don’t have to use this environment.
This is a tool I’m using called R.
You can do this in IBM Watson Studio with the SPSS modeler and not have to code.
There are ways to do this in is drag and drop little widgets in here, drop your data in, and it will do the exact same thing.
And you won’t have to code it’s it’s much easier.
I just do it because it’s here on my machine.
It runs locally.
And it doesn’t cost me anything to do this locally.
IBM Watson Studio does charge you after the first 50 hours of usage.
So if it goes do this, once, it’s fine, it won’t cost you anything after a certain point, you do start running up the bill.
But the takeaway is, does social media like shares and comments have an impact on SEO? Maybe you have to test it, you have to test it with your data, you have to test it with your site and figure out if there is a relationship, is it causal? Are you using social media to try and get your SEO strategy to move forward? If you’re not, then in a relationship you have is largely coincidental.
Now there’s is a relationship like here, in this case for Twitter, you might want to think about should that be our strategy? But if you are doing it with a strong intent for SEO purposes, and you’re not getting the results, and you know it’s not working? So that’s how you use this information? Good question.
Because the answer as with so many things in data science is it depends.
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Kat asks, “we hear all the time that when a company has a public misstep, that they will face impact them negatively, but there’s never been any type of relevant study that dives into this topic of social/digital reviews and brand impact/stock price/revenue. Have you seen anything?”
The challenge with using any public form of data, but especially stock price, is confounding data.
For example, a company that makes repeated social media faux pas also may not be well run, so the data point you’d calibrate on – stock price – may not provide any useful data.
That’s doubly true for brands in portfolios – Blizzard Entertainment routinely pisses off its player base, but the parent – Activision Blizzard – still notches up impressive results.
You Ask, I Answer: Social Media Failures and Company Impact?
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In today’s episode cat asks, we hear all the time that when a company has a public misstep that they will face impact negatively.
But there’s never been any kind of relevant study that dives into this topic of social digital reviews and brand impact stock price or revenue.
Have you seen anything? So the challenge with using any kind of public data like this, especially stock price is confounding data.
confounding data is when you have multiple contributors to an outcome.
So there’s a lot that goes into a stock price.
There’s obviously the trading the buying and the selling, there is the investor sentiment, and there is very troublingly, the fact that the investors may not be the customers, right.
They may not have any connection to the customers they are trading simply on things like technicals.
They are trading on fundamentals, they are trading on all sorts of things that may not be connected to reality.
But the outside world, the stock market is actually a relatively poor indicator of a whole bunch of things, it is a good way to make some money, but it is not a good way to to try and ascertain the impact of what a company does other than on the basics like earnings.
And with the stock market, there are also all sorts of what are called shadow inputs or hidden inputs to the stock price.
So there can be you know, pools of trading, there can be institutional investing that is, is snapping up stocks, not necessarily even on you know, what the company means or even what the company does just the fact that it you know, makes a certain margin or a certain amount of return on investment.
And the stock market is also very much a lagging indicator.
And the lag can be sometimes substantial depending again on on who’s doing the investing.
A major portion of stock market investments are done by institutions, institutional investing, ETFs funds, hedge funds, all all these huge conglomerates.
And as a result, they may buy, you know, infrequently, sometimes months at a time, they’re looking at stuff to basically buy and hold and manage portfolio.
So, to try and calibrate social media on stock price is probably not going to yield anything useful.
For the majority of cases.
This is doubly true.
Because even if there was some impact, there are additional confounding variables.
So let’s say you have a company that has repeated public football, right, they just repeatedly stick their foot in their mouth all The time and they fess up the change their ways they clean house, you know, public resignations and all this stuff.
And what happens, the stock price might improve? Well, was social media, the driver of that? Or was the fact that the people running things might have just been really bad managers for a variety of reasons, and getting rid of them? improved things.
That is another example of a confounding variable where you just had a crappy manager, or crappy executive get rid of that person and it solves a whole bunch of problems.
Certainly, I remember my days working in, in the agency world, getting rid of one bad apple could change an entire offices performance and entire company’s performance.
So that’s a confounding variable as well.
Was social media responsible for the problem? No, it may have highlighted the problem but the ultimate problem was A bad apple in the bunch.
Then, to add more complexity on top of that, there’s the issue of portfolios.
portfolio companies.
A company may belong to a bigger holding company, and as a result, its performance may get masked.
So, for example, Blizzard Entertainment now is part of Activision Blizzard.
Blizzard itself does all sorts of things Pez users off all the time.
And they’ve made some pretty hilarious missteps.
The most recent Warcraft three reforged comes to mind as having the lowest game rating on Metacritic ever.
And it was because they made a bad product.
Does their stock price reflect that even though that was what, five or six months ago? Does their stock price reflect the fact that this game was a dud and then a whole bunch of people want their refunds and and eventually the company had to set up an automatic refund.
Fun process.
Now, in fact, the stocks doing better than ever.
Why? Because they’re part of a portfolio company, Activision Blizzard.
And there are so many other companies and games and franchises in this, that mask the performance of that one unit.
And even though there’s a tremendous amount of social media conversation, most of it negative about their stuff.
It doesn’t have an impact on the stock price.
Why? Well, we had to have this little pandemic we’re dealing with.
And as a result, a whole bunch of people have taken up playing all sorts of video games of every kind.
Every single gaming company has had massive growth in the last six months, for obvious reasons.
As a result, even if Activision Blizzard made, you know, crap.
In this entire time period, their stock performed really well their company performed really well because of external circumstances that really benefited them.
So we can’t use these data points to ascertain the impact of social media easily.
Could you assemble a data set of every publicly traded company and diagram out or mark in the data set those periods when there was a social media crisis, maybe an announcement like the seven days following? And could you then run something like a propensity score model on it? Absolutely.
You could.
I don’t know if anyone has done that either.
Because putting together that data set would be extremely laborious.
And I don’t know that you would find what you’re looking for.
Again, there’s too many confounding variables.
So if you wanted to prove the impact of social media, what could you do to understand it? One potential way would be studying organic search patterns.
for that company that are specific to purchase intent, so using, like an old fashion retailer kind of cold, right? They’ve had a variety of Foot and Mouth moments.
If you were to study the people who are searching with some level of intent like Kenneth Cole near me, you might be able to ascertain whether that has diminished over time as a result of repeated Foot and Mouth incidents.
But again, everything has changed since March 15 of this year, at least in the United States.
That’s what the timeline we’re using for that, for the pandemic.
You don’t search for that right now.
Because you can’t go to the store.
It’s not open or it’s it’s highly restricted.
So something like that, that is a that particular no physical location search intent would not work you’d have to do something else.
And then, again, run propensity to Score model, even a PSA multiple linear regression against that.
Those two things, the social media track record, and the search intent to see if it has diminished at all.
But with the understanding that even with that there’s a tremendous number of confounding variables, the amount of advertising you’re running, how good you are at SEO.
Other things, social media, very often does not have a huge role in a company’s results.
You could win over the data set down to those companies that are highly active.
But then you’re not going to necessarily prove that social media by itself does something so much as active social media companies behave differently be a different cohort.
So there’s a lot to dig into.
And I would certainly if you know of a data set or a peer reviewed study that has looked at this, please put it in the comments below along with your questions.
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Linda asks, “Other than a standard “search” operation to identify groups, does anyone know of a more efficient way to find groups geared towards a specific audience?”
Search and asking are the two most impactful methods. For search, there are specific tricks to look with using jargon. For example, if you’re targeting financial aid professionals, almost no one outside that community is ever going to use the term NSLDS (the National Student Loan Database System). That’ll help you identify groups where the target audience isn’t in the name of the group.
You Ask, I Answer: Finding Social Media Groups for Specific Audiences?
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Veeam in today’s episode, Linda asks other than a standard search operation to identify groups, does anyone know of a more efficient way to find groups geared towards a specific audience? Well, yeah, so there’s there’s two ways to do this that are impactful.
And there’s lots of ways in general but impactfully first with search, chances are the group that you’re looking for the groups that you’re looking for, are not necessarily going to be named after the audience they’re in.
So for example, I’m in a, a public speaking group is does not have the word public speaker anywhere in the in the group’s name.
I’m in a marketing group that has does have marketing anywhere in its name.
Anytime you’re searching for a group of people, as long as you know that group of people well, the way you want to try And find those people is with jargon.
So, with jargon, in particular, there are words and phrases that are unique to that group of people.
Every group of people does this every.
Every collection of people has some sort of language that is exclusive to that group that others outside that group just inherently don’t use.
I used to work in financial aid and the student loan industry and one of the terms that came up all the time was the FAFSA, the Free Application for Federal Student Aid.
You don’t use this term outside of a very specific context.
Right.
And that was people talking about financial aid about applying for that financial aid using that form every year.
So you could tell who was looking for that.
Based on the use that term with if you were targeting financial professionals, the people who work in institutions, there is the National Student loan database system nslds.
Again, this is not a term you’re gonna hear anywhere outside of the offices of financial aid professionals because nobody else knows about it.
And so having knowledge of these systems means that are these specific jargony terms means that you can very quickly identify people and groups that are talking about this thing.
So when you’re searching for groups, make sure that you’re using jargon instead of the the demographic name.
You will find some groups by demographic name, but the ones where people are really talking about the specific thing you care about.
You’ll use jargon and the nice thing about that is that you’ll be able to sub segment that group.
So let’s take for example, Latino, the Latin x community, there are different terms people use, depending on which Sub segment of that group you’re talking about.
There’s a very, there’s a very big difference, culturally, between people say, of Cuban descent and people of Mexican descent.
It’s just how those people separate themselves in their communities in the Asian American community, there is a super big difference between Koreans, Japanese, and Chinese and all the groups in that segment.
And those folks all have their own unique culture, unique languages.
Do not, do not reference Korean dishes by their Japanese name, we will just not be not be welcome.
And so knowing those terms, knowing the specific pieces of language will really help you understand how to find those groups, how to find those groups and how to find those specific things that people want and if there is a lack Language difference in terms of like the spoken language the, like, for example, the Korean language that helps you sub segment even further because there’s going to be a big difference between a Korean group that focuses on music and a Korean group that focuses on food.
Right? Again, more language every every human being has that want to belong to something.
And knowing that and being able to leverage that is how you’re going to take advantage of search functions in these tools to identify just that specific group you’re looking for.
Now, the second way to find groups is blindingly obvious, which is if you have access to members of that community now already and you try to get more of them.
Ask the people you know, hey, what groups do you hang out in online? What groups do you have access to? Where do you spend your time? And you can do that focus groups.
You can do that in one on one interviews.
You can do that in a survey, but asked people ask where they hang out what groups specifically Do they spend time with and if you are working on a specific platform even ask them that hey, what Facebook groups? Are you in? What LinkedIn groups? Are you in? What slack communities what discord communities.
But the thing that will get you the real juice is, is that jargon search, right? You have to know the audience, you have to be able to ask the audience and you may need to do a focus group or some market research on the demographic as a whole first, so that you can develop the language.
There are a number of really good text mining tools that can do this.
But you want to understand the words people use within their group and specifically the words that are uncommon.
Right, so in the world of financial aid, there’s a lot of talk about loan and student loan, even student loans, pretty broad term and a whole lot of people use that term.
If you talk about like a Pell Grant Or you talk about subsidized versus unsubsidized Stafford loans.
Now you’re getting into the, the, the unique terms that were only going to occur in that particular context.
So spend some time with doing focus groups or market research first.
The way to get to that would be to use ideally something like Reddit, or a social media monitoring tool like Talkwalker to, to parse out the the bigger groups and their language.
And then once you’ve got that language identified, then you can start sub segmenting down into the smaller groups.
So make sure that you use a good natural language processing tool that will get you those jargon terms sooner rather than later.
And again, you will still need almost certainly need to ask somebody for some help at some point, unless you would literally participate and live in one of those communities already.
And you can just see the interactions.
I mean, A bunch of discord servers.
And there are terms where I don’t have to really do any work.
I just listen to what people have to say.
And the way that they use the language that describes the group and the terms the issues.
Even other people they mentioned, there’s certain specific people that come up in conversation that yeah, if I stuck that into a search tool would be very easy to find.
What those where else those people talk about those specific people.
So that’s the answer.
Well, it’s an answer.
jargon for first search functions and focus groups market research, and one on one research for developing an understanding what that jargon is, knowing it will make it also a lot easier for you when you go to interact in those groups as well.
So make sure that you really invest the time.
It’s it’s anthropology.
It’s it’s ethnography to try and understand how a group functions or what people have to say.
So good question, follow up questions, please.
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