I recently watched a livestream with some strategy consultants who trotted out a SWOT analysis that was fairly close to useless. If you’re unfamiliar, a SWOT analysis is a 2×2 grid of strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, and threats. It’s a strategic analysis tool designed to help companies assess a competitive landscape and set strategy.
A basic SWOT analysis is something you can do on a sheet of paper or even a napkin:
The problem is, nearly everyone who uses SWOT analysis tends to do a few things wrong:
People tend to confuse the four categories; strengths and weaknesses are internal, while opportunities and threats are external.
People tend to add things that are overly broad or unfocused, making them difficult to take action on.
People tend to use the SWOT analysis for non-competitive assessments.
Here’s an example. Let’s pretend we’re a local coffee shop. The average SWOT analysis, done improperly, looks something like this:
Strengths and weaknesses, as the local coffee shop, make sense. A local coffee shop has the quality (presumably) and atmosphere, but can’t beat the pricing and speed of service that the bigger competitors in the field have.
Where this falls apart is in opportunities and threats. Delivery? Is that an opportunity? Delivery is a process, which means that it’s something to measure against a competitor. And the threats section is a hot mess. Yes, the pandemic is a threat in general, but in the context of competitive analysis, how is it a threat? And listing competition in a competitive analysis is just… redundant.
Why does this happen? I suspect it’s because people try to make the SWOT analysis do too many things, be all things to all executives. It’s better as a specific, focused tool to do a competitive analysis against a specific, single, named competitor. Let’s take our coffee shop analysis and look at it against just one major coffee company, like Starbucks:
Instead of a generic mess, we rename opportunities and threats as our single competitor’s strengths and weaknesses. Compared to our coffee shop, Starbucks has substantial strengths: bigger ad budgets, a powerful brand, a nice atmosphere, good wi-fi speed in their shops. They also have a big pile of weaknesses: their shops can be loud, busy, crowded, they screw up orders frequently, they can be pricey, and their quality is inconsistent depending on the individual franchise.
Most people stop at this point in their SWOT analysis and start attempting to set strategy. Don’t! We’re only halfway done. Our next step is to look carefully at our lists of our strengths and weaknesses versus Starbucks strengths and weaknesses. If you’ve done a SWOT analysis on paper or in an easily editable digital form, get out your scissors.
We carve up our SWOT analysis into pieces, and then compare the pieces.
Strengths versus Strengths
Let’s start with our strengths versus Starbucks strengths. What we’re looking for here are strengths that both share – if they both share them, then our advantage might be nullified:
Yep. Starbucks shops tend to have a reasonably pleasant atmosphere, at least in terms of decor. So our advantage there may not be as strong.
Strengths versus Weaknesses
Next, let’s compare our strengths against Starbucks weaknesses:
So while atmosphere might not be one of our strengths, we definitely have advantages in terms of quality – they get orders wrong more, and their quality is inconsistent. Put a star or something next to quality, because it’s a strength we could double down on, maybe even make part of our marketing campaigns.
When we look at their weaknesses, we see that there are two that don’t match up – loud and expensive. Are we cost comparable? Is our shop quieter? We might find those are hidden strengths – opportunities that we could leverage.
Weaknesses versus Strengths
Now, let’s tackle our weaknesses versus Starbucks strengths:
We can’t do much about ad budget and brand. Those are clearly threats, but they’re threats that would be difficult to mitigate. We’ve already established that atmosphere is something that could be mitigated – we might not be able to afford the same kind of decor, but if our shop is less noisy, that might be a threat we could mitigate. And wi-fi speed is something we could definitely mitigate if it was a problem; we’d want to do customer surveys to ask whether or not it’s a big problem.
Weaknesses versus Weaknesses
Finally, we look at weaknesses versus Starbucks weaknesses:
We see that we’ve nullified our perceived pricing weakness – if our espresso costs 2 and Starbucks costs2.50 then we’re not in an especially bad spot. As a brand, Starbucks isn’t necessarily known for lowest pricing anyway. So at least in the context of us versus Starbucks, our weaknesses cancel each other out. Our other weakness – speed of service – is something we could mitigate by focusing on the fact that while Starbucks is technically faster, their quality is an issue. Faster doesn’t mean better as long as we’re certain of our quality.
When we take a SWOT analysis and break it up, step by step, piece by piece, we ground ourselves in reality and start focusing on real things we could do to double down on our strengths or find more strengths, and mitigate our weaknesses. At the end of the day, we have no control over what our competitors or the environment around us is. We only control what we do, so changing our SWOT analysis focus to what we do and how we address our own positives and negatives is the way to turn SWOT analysis into meaningful action.
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Catherine asks, “Most marketers are evangelizing about doing livestreaming , as being the media who gets the highest reach and engagement. Why did it come in last in your Almost Timely poll?”
This is an excellent question, and I suspect it has to do with algorithms. Livestreams are appointment media – you have to be there at a specific time and place for them. Unless you have lots of free time or a livestream is so valuable that you can’t miss it, chances are it’s not something you want more of – it’s basically another meeting on your calendar, and who wants more meetings?
You Ask, I Answer: Email Marketing vs. Livestreaming?
What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for watching the video.
In today’s episode, Catherine asks, most marketers are evangelizing about doing live streaming as being the media who gets the highest reach and engagement.
Why did it come in last almost time we pull really good questions.
So over the holidays, I ran a poll in my newsletter, the almost time on the newsletter asking people what content format you would like more content for me in.
And these are the results here, we can see that email content, text based email came in first 29% of the votes there, followed by we have text blogs at 22%.
We have video and 19% audio at 16%.
And live streams down at the bottom at 12%.
So why is everyone talking about the benefits of live streaming? Well, there’s a couple of reasons for this.
One and I, I’ll preface this by saying this is speculation I don’t have any hard data on this is algorithms.
As all these different companies and services like Facebook and stuff, roll out live streaming and live video and stuff, they want people to use that feature.
And so they give it preference.
But what typically happens with any of these formats is that the algorithm is tuned to give preference to it for a little while.
And the percentages of engagement for it or not substantially higher than the new personnel like 100 X, the performance back when Instagram rolled out Instagram TV, for a while, it was you know, two x the performance of Instagram posts on 2% 3% engagement rates as opposed to like a 1%.
I think even higher than that, but either way, it was not like 70% engagement by any means it was it was still in the single digits.
And so if you are a social media marketer, and you are focused very heavily on trying to scrape together as any engagement whatsoever, and yes, live streaming, because it is favored by the algorithm right now, is does deliver temporarily higher results.
And it’s been a little while and we don’t have any really good data.
Because it’s not in the reporting API’s about whether it continues to do so.
I know looking at the show’s performance for the Trust Insights live stream, which is typically Thursdays at 1pm.
Eastern time.
And a few other shows that I follow that are live shows.
And the average number of viewers is single or double digits at most, even for really, really big shows.
You know, I, I follow a bunch of musicians and stuff on YouTube and stuff.
And when there’s a live show that they do.
There’s one band has about half a million followers.
And on any given show, they’ve got about 100 people watching.
So the numbers are still pretty small.
So that’s why I think marketers are evangelizing about it, because it does get you slight preference in the algorithms.
Now, why did come in last in the poll? Well, live streams or appointment media, they are appointment media, which means that you have to be there at a specific date and time if you want to get benefit from them unless they’re recorded.
If you are busy, right, if you have other things to be doing a live stream is something that you have to make time for.
And for that to be the case, it has to be really, really valuable.
Like it has to be super, super valuable.
And a lot of them aren’t, you know, a lot of them fall in the category of I’ll catch if I have the time, but I don’t.
And if you think about it, a live stream, because it’s appointment based media, you have to be at a specific time and a specific place.
It really is just another meeting.
It’s just another meeting and who wants another meeting on their calendar.
So why did it come in last? Because nobody wants another meeting on their calendar.
Which is one of the reasons why it’s so important that if you’re going to pursue live streaming, to engage with those diehard fans, and you should, I’m not saying you shouldn’t do it, because it does help you identify very quickly who are the diehard fans who have the time or willing to make the time for your business.
And it’s going to be small numbers.
So expect that you need to also pursue transmedia strategy on top of it which is to say you take that live stream and then you record it and you slice up the recording.
You turn it into texture into an audio file for a podcast, you turn it into a video file for your YouTube channel you all the things that you should be doing with any kind of media to make it as convenient as possible for people to consume after the fact.
That’s the goal after the live stream is to make it redistributable make it something that people can pick up when they want it.
That’s one of the reasons why email is at the top of the pole, right? Email is, as much as also nobody wants more email, at least conceptually for the busy professional on the other end of your email.
It’s the minimum amount of effort, there’s no blog to remember to go to there’s no special app, there’s no separate device, they literally go into the place that they’re used to going the most, which is their inbox.
Right? And the content is there.
It’s it’s zero effort for them.
Except maybe the only thing that’s ever for them is hitting the delete key.
They didn’t want to read it.
And that’s one of the reasons why I think it came in at the top of the poll, because from a behavioral perspective, you’re making it easy for people an email shows up they either read it or they don’t, they don’t have to go any do anything.
They don’t remember anything, right? You’re taking cognitive load away from people, you’re, you’re removing burdens, as opposed to adding burdens.
Mitch Joel, my friend Mitchell has a great expression says Don’t be another thing for somebody to do.
Right.
Don’t be another thing on someone’s to do list.
And the more complex you make the the format of data, like a live stream, we got to be at a certain time at a certain place in a certain app.
You’re giving people more things to do on the do an email, nothing to do, right if it they’ll get when they get to it.
And if there’s value in it, they’ll look for it.
Right? They may ask, Hey, I didn’t get this week’s email.
But you’re not making them work any harder.
So that’s why these results I think are are the way they are.
Now I will caveat this this is my audience.
This is not even the Trust Insights audience.
This is not marketers in general this is specific to the people like you who follow me.
And so I would not generalize these results.
I would not say this is applicable all marketers it’s not.
My audience is a very specific lives.
You are very specific, special kind of person who is interested in, you know, data and marketing hacks and tricks and analytics and stuff.
That’s not every marketer.
I would encourage you to run the same poll to your audience, right asking what content format people you want people in your audience want more of and get added information directly from your audience and use it to customize your marketing because it may turn out for your audience.
They love live streaming.
They may love it, love it, love it and they want more of it.
You should know that you got follow up questions, leave in the comments box below.
Subscribe to the YouTube channel on the newsletter and I’ll talk to you soon take care.
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“Would you be able to share some advice on how I can get started speaking about digital marketing strategy?”
This is a great question with a clear, defined process.
Preparing to Speak Publicly
First, we must have something worth speaking about. A great speaking career begins with a clear, powerful presentation about a topic we have expertise and a unique point of view on. No one wants to hear yet another talk about the best time to tweet. What’s different about our perspective?
Once you’ve built an excellent presentation, demonstrate your speaking abilities with video. This can be as simple as recording your talk with a smartphone (with a high quality camera) in a conference room or stage at a local community college. With the pandemic changing the speaking industry, it’d even be acceptable to shoot something against a neutral background in your residence, as long as it looks nice. Show that you can speak clearly, lucidly, and powerfully about your topic.
The video capture is vital: you need video evidence of your nascent speaking skills.
Post the video on YouTube. Here’s an example of what it might look like:
You Ask, I Answer: Planning Ahead for Holiday Campaigns?
Like all forms of created media, your first talks will be awful. You’ll look back later in life and cringe at how nervous you were. Practice extensively! Practice so much that by the time you hit the stage for the first time as a professional public speaker, you’ve spoken to empty rooms and stuffed animals at least a hundred times.
First Talks
Time to take your show on the road. Look for events asking for speakers. Search Google for your industry and the term “call for speakers” or “call for papers” to find events looking for a speaker. In an era when working from home and speaking via Zoom are the standard, the gates are down for new speakers to enter the space.
Respond to these events; in the beginning of your speaking career, you will speak for free – even at your expense – to start building your reputation. Again, in an era of remote speaking, the costs to you will be minimal (compared to paying for travel etc.), so say yes to pretty much anything in the beginning.
Have handouts and supporting materials ready so that your talks, even if they’re with the local Rotary club on a Zoom call of 10 people, are perceived as professional and experienced.
Obvious Tips
Always show up. No commitment is optional once you’ve made it, no matter how big or small.
Always be early. Something inevitably goes wrong during sound check/technology check.
if you must cancel, cancel after finding a replacement.
Always promote your talk on your social media channels. Show organizers you’re working to benefit their event.
Always thank the conference organizers from the stage.
Always thank the conference organizers after the event, both privately and publicly.
Be sure to ask for video of your talk; if the event doesn’t capture video, ask permission to record your own talk, and do so. With things like Zoom calls, recording can be built in, so it should be trivial to capture the video.
Post them to your LinkedIn profile for each talk you give:
Speaking Page
You’ve spoken a few times. You’ve earned great reviews. You’ve collected testimonials, videos, and other third party evidence of your skills. I encourage you to set up a special page on your personal professional website exclusively for speaking content, such as topics, testimonials, videos, etc.
Write a clear, powerful biography and take a decent headshot photo of yourself. Again, it doesn’t have to be something you paid thousands of dollars for in the beginning – just good enough to look professional.
These materials make conference organizers’ lives easier; the more you can give up front, the more confidence you’ll instill that you’re a polished, experienced speaker.
Asking for Compensation
At this point, you should start asking for travel and expense reimbursement – your first step towards a paying speaking career.
Establish a business bank account, get your taxes in order, and if your speaking career trajectory looks strong, consider establishing a corporation of some kind to provide additional legal protection. As an individual, you can be sued; if you aren’t established as a legal corporation, an expensive lawsuit can cost you personal assets like your home.
Once you start earning money, consult an attorney to develop a speaking contract for additional legal protection.
Conclusion
If you truly enjoy speaking and performing in the public eye, following these steps will speed your journey. Good luck!
This post has been revised and updated over the years. It was most recently updated to reflect speaking in the pandemic world.
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Welcome to 2020 Rewind! In this series, we’re taking a look at the year that was and the wonderful shows and podcasts that had me on as a guest this past year. A fair amount of the time, I’d rather read than listen, but podcasts, live streams, webinars, and videos were how we made media this year. So let’s get the best of both worlds; 2020 Rewind will share the original episode and show it aired on, and provide you with a machine-generated transcript from the episode.
2020 Rewind: Marketing Strategies in a Pandemic with Jon-Mikal Bailey and the Wellspring Digital Podcast
Summary: Marketing in a pandemic is all about paying attention to the data and being as agile as possible. Any kind of recession or depression requires tightening the belt, focusing on customers, and working the bottom of the funnel.
What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode.
Jon-Mikal Bailey 0:14
Thank you for joining us. This is the wellspring digital chat. And today our first guest is Christopher Penn, who is a marketer extraordinare. I’m a huge fan of his. If you do not get his newsletter, you need to subscribe to it right now. Go to awaken your superhero calm or any of just just google Christopher Penn, you’ll find it. But I’m going to do a very small amount of talking so that you can get all the goodness from Chris. So first, I want to see I want to get Chris to introduce himself. So Chris, welcome. And if you can just give us your bio. Give us a little bit about you.
Christopher Penn 0:57
Sure. I am the chief data scientist and co founder of Trust insights.ai. We are an analytics consulting firm. I’ve been doing marketing for more than two decades, I have been doing analytics for almost two decades and spent a lot of time now in data science, machine learning AI, all the fancy stuff with numbers and things. And yeah, that’s about it.
Unknown Speaker 1:23
Cool. Well, thank you so much for taking the time to do this. No, these are crazy times. And we’ll talk about that in a little bit. But I want to do a quickly take a trip down memory lane. So I’ve known you since the blue sky factory days. Greg Calendly. OC, in Baltimore. I think I met you at a Frederick County Chamber of Commerce something or other. It seems like 1000 years ago, and I wanted to just, you know, briefly get a sense from you of what you’ve seen in the evolution of marketing since since your days at Blue Sky factory, which was how many years ago
Christopher Penn 2:04
that we’re now exactly a decade ago, it was a decade?
Unknown Speaker 2:08
Yeah.
Christopher Penn 2:09
So obviously, the time flies. No, the biggest thing has changed by far in the last decade is the fact that these little devices, these smartphones, iPhone came out in 2007, iPad came out in 2009. And the world has not been the same since we live on these devices. 24 seven, and all digital marketing really is, if you’re not already a mobile first marketing company, you’ve missed that boat by about five years, but better late than never. And what’s been interesting to see is how much these portable small devices make the non digital world also digital from, you know, people googling for, or searching amazon for product while they’re standing in someone else’s physical store to search inquiries and people talking, you know, now with smart assistants, people are just shouting to the air. Oh, you know, what’s the price on this thing and you’re like, I remember when Bluetooth headsets first came out. And you’re like, seeing somebody talking to the air like crazy person, a bluetooth headset. Now it’s a
Unknown Speaker 3:15
headset, everybody’s a crazy person. Exactly.
Christopher Penn 3:20
And so that, you know, that’s really has been the biggest macro change in the last 10 years. It’s just, you were walking around with a supercomputer and you know, connected to the the sum total of human knowledge in your pocket every single day. Even the lowest budget smartphone still has capabilities that you know, 10 years ago would have been bewildering. So when marketers are thinking about what’s happened to marketing, that that’s where it’s been. And what’s likely to come next are variations on this because this is just about the right form factor. People have been trying with your smart rings, smart jewelry, smartwatches and stuff. And those are contextually useful, but they’re not a substitute for having a device that is large enough to be able to read what’s on screen and be able to interact with it and our, our AI capabilities for you know, screenless interfaces are good, but not at a point where they’re great. screenless voice interfaces definitely are something you should be paying attention to now, and building apps for now. But it’s not at a point yet where people feel comfortable. You know, it’s we’re not in Star Trek yet where you can just yell out to the computer and understand exactly what you mean. You know, in context, we still have to be very specific.
Unknown Speaker 4:33
Right, right. Yeah, it’s I’m, I’m curious to see what the next smart whatever is going to be smart shoes, although I think those already exist. So one of my favorite books is they asked you answered by Marcus Sheridan. You’ve really embraced this philosophy with your us you answer you ask I answer blog series, which I think is great. I think it’s fantastic way to stay on top of, you know, regular daily issues that people are having with a blog series. But you do a ton of them. You even did one for me. I wasn’t even expecting it. It was fantastic. Can you talk about the process of that? And you know, how it’s been going? And you know how well, you think it’s working for you? Sure. So
Christopher Penn 5:25
let’s talk about how well it’s working. It is the dominant form of content on my personal website. Right now, it is also cross posted to company properties as well. I have seen it make up for the loss of social media traffic, thanks to YouTube and its distribution channel. The important thing about the process is not that it’s a blog series, or it’s a video series, but it is taking content and repurposing it as quickly as possible. So the way it works is, every day I take a question and I went with Marcus’s philosophy, because it means I don’t have to create new ideas, right? Customers are creating the ideas for me, I just have to provide what information I have available that will answer the question, the processes that record the video every day, 10 minutes or less, because LinkedIn has a hard limit of 10 minutes for upload videos, answer a question, I produce the I get the mp4 file, I use a piece of software a piece of open source software called FFmpeg. To convert it to an mp3 file. Now, I’ve got I have a video, I have a podcast episode, I take the mp3 file, I load that to a company called otter.ai. Their transcription company or AI powered phenomenal company loved them. That gets me an SRT file, which is the closed captions. And it gets me a text file, that txt file that becomes the blog post, contract a transcript. So now I have video, I have video with subtitles, I have audio, and I have text. All of that gets turned into a blog post videos get loaded to LinkedIn, the videos get loaded to YouTube. And the SRT files go up to LinkedIn and YouTube as well because I can’t remember the exact status. But an astonishing number of people watch video, if it has subtitles without the audio on so like they can. I see this with business folks a lot in the restroom, they will watch a video without the audio on if it has subtitles, they’ll stick around and watch if it doesn’t have subtitles, they don’t want to turn the audio on to the restroom stall. And so they’ll skip past the next thing. And so that’s interesting. Yeah, it’s it’s Yeah, it’s just people being people. And so. But the process there is you create all this stuff, and you have you know, all of its templated things so that there’s a minimum amount of time spent processing the thing. And so from beginning to end, I start the video at approximately 7:10am each day. And by 745, I’m wrapped up and everything is out distributed, got the social posts from it, in Agorapulse. Got the video on YouTube, three videos on LinkedIn GABA sharing across networks. So it’s a lot a way to create a lot of content quickly, efficiently. And it’s a one person show. I know there are a lot of folks, you know, my fellow high school classmate, Gary Vaynerchuk is, you know, famous for saying like you need to create, you know, 100 pieces of content today. Well, that’s great, because he has literally a staff of 27 people doing that for him. The process, I use a one man show, it’s just a one person show to do all of it. But it works really well. And so again, the traffic I get, I get great search traffic from it because the transcripts 10 minutes of talking equates to a 1500. Yes, if you crank 200 word blog post each day, you’re doing well. I get the podcast exposure because it is available as a podcast. So I get those those numbers, I get YouTube exposure links, and then I get, you know, LinkedIn traffic and stuff. And so it’s a comprehensive way to do a lot of content quickly.
Unknown Speaker 9:02
One thing I wanted to ask real quick, you went to high school with Gary Vaynerchuk. Yep. Wow. Yep. He was like in high school. Very
Christopher Penn 9:11
quiet and withdrawn. He was by his own. He was by by his own admission, a terrible student. English is not his first language Russian is so and so. You know, he he basically said he spent most of it when he talks it when you listen to him talk about his, you know, childhood growing up, you’re working his dad’s wine store is 100% true. You know, he went to school did badly they went home and worked in his dad’s wine store for the rest of his time and did not do much. You know, socializing if you will right now. Not that I did either. So
Unknown Speaker 9:45
yeah, I’m kind of ready. Alright, so everybody’s talking about data and AI. I see some some posts about it that are good. I see some posts about it that are bad. A lot of people glaze over at the mention of big data or AI. I think a lot of people really just misunderstand, generally what AI actually is. Can you talk a bit about the impact of AI for marketers in terms of their day to day and how they might already be using it and not even realize it and other ways that they can be using it?
Christopher Penn 10:23
Sure. So let’s start with what it is. It is a blanket term, that means we’re trying to create capabilities and computers to replicate human intelligence tasks. So if you can hear the sound of my voice, and it means something, you are doing what’s called language processing, and your brain, right, which we can try and teach computers to do that, if you are watching this video, and it makes sense to you, you’re using what’s called vision. Those are the analog of computer vision. So AI encompasses all the different ways to try and get computers to replicate human intelligence tasks. What is most applicable, applicable to marketers is what’s called machine learning a subset of AI, in which you give an enormous amount of data to a machine, and you teach it to learn from that and then predict or classify based on what it is. So, for example, if you fed all of your Twitter, Twitter data to machine learning algorithm, and then you said predict, for me whether my next post will get more or less likes than previous posts, that would be an example of machine learning. marketers are already using AI, whether they know it or not, if you use Google Analytics, you have little Google Analytics app on your phone. And you notice there’s a little you know, notifications. And it says, Hey, you got more traffic, you know, yesterday than these last seven days, or Hey, I noticed though this page seems to be doing well. Those are that’s anomaly detection, essentially. And Google Analytics is doing that on your behalf. This is why we can ask Google questions again, that’s language processing and insights. So marketers are already have access to some of these capabilities. Where there’s a tremendous amount of value for marketing going forward, is in more customized uses of this. So a simple example is we do something called Digital customer journey modeling. inside Google Analytics. There’s a tremendous amount of valuable data like, in what order? Did somebody use different channels, Facebook, Twitter, email, etc, on the path to conversion. And then you can take that apart with custom software that we built, and understand how important is any one channel to the conversion? The analogy I like to use is, if you watch basketball, unless you take talking Golden State Warriors, in which case, Steph Curry is pretty much the only person on the court. But it also uses, the person who assists is just as valuable as the person who shoots at school. Sure, right. That’s modern attribution analysis, all these digital channels we have interact with each other, you know that you and I know this from our customer journey, our own customer journeys, when we’re researching a product, we just don’t go to follow a linear order, we ask friends, we read reviews, we do all these things, that eventually leads us to buy something. So when marketers are doing customer journey mapping, if you use the data you already have, you can put together at least on the digital side of very comprehensive models of here’s how people interact this, here’s what channels assist the most right? And therefore we should not cut their funding, even if they’re not the last thing somebody did. and in what order, do they do it so that we can tune our messaging. So for example, if Facebook is at the beginning of your customer journey, and all your Facebook messaging is by now by now, by now, it’s like, yeah, you go on that first date, like marry me like, Oh,
Unknown Speaker 13:47
right, right. So, with with all of that data, you know, with all of the platforms and dashboards that are available to people, do you have any tips on for marketers on how to stay focused, you know, when so much is coming at them at all times. The
Christopher Penn 14:09
there’s two ways to handle this. The data science and machine learning ways to take all the data you have essentially put in a really big table. And then you have an outcome you care about leads, sales, revenue, whatever. And you run a mathematical technique called multiple regression subset analysis that mixes and matches every possible combination of all those fields. And then spits out here are the ones that have a mathematical relationship correlation to the outcome you care about. Then you test that correlation with the scientific method, and you establish these four or five numbers are really the most important. The non mathematical way that people do that is called KPI mapping. We say okay, we have revenue. Okay, well, what things do we know drive revenue, like number of sales deals, one great number sales deals, one what things drive that will open deals, okay, well, what drives that and you keep chasing Chain of evidence and creating sort of like almost like a tree. And then you figure out, Okay, what things do I have control over, that have a connection to that outcome we care about? And that, okay, a more practical, but less accurate way of doing that kind of KPI analysis, because at the end of the day, we have to ask ourselves as marketers, what number Am I going to get a bonus for? What number Am I going to get fired before? Right? That’s your KPIs. If you know that, you’re kind of hosed. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 15:35
That’s a good point. You got to follow the money.
Unknown Speaker 15:39
Exactly.
Unknown Speaker 15:40
Yeah, yeah. So last question, I wanted to ask you, and I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention our buddy, COVID-19. I just wanted to see if you had any advice for marketers and small businesses out there on, you know, how how to just exist in a professional way and navigate these strange and very scary times?
Unknown Speaker 16:08
Oh,
Christopher Penn 16:09
this is a big question. I know. There’s a lot of different answers and different aspects to this question. The first is that you need to stay informed through reliable authorities, Johns Hopkins University, the CDC World Health Organization, the state and local authorities in your area, if you’re outside the United States, you know, whatever your provincial government says. So you know, you need to know what’s going on. Second, right, you be paying attention to economic indicators, economic indicators are going to be what’s going to impact your business the most, because if you see, for example, a drop in consumer spending and your b2c company, guess what, the people are going to be spending less money with you. If you’re a b2b company, you need to be looking at things like producer price indices, business confidence indices, to again, understand what is the appetite somebody has for making a purchase of products or services. And we know with almost perfect certainty that a recession started actually about a two months ago, but it was just the first hints of it. This obviously is a it’s not a typical, it’s a giant shove. Yeah. And so according to Johns Hopkins, Center for Health Security, in a situation like this, your your planetary GDP is likely to be down, you know, minus 11%, first year minus 25%. Second year, that’s a huge number. So for marketers and businesses, one of the things to be paying attention to is okay, what, how do you pivot your product offerings, so you’ve pricing to reflect the new reality, people are going to be extremely risk averse. We’re gonna be focused on ROI. They’re gonna be focused on generating revenue, the focus on cutting costs, how do you change your service offerings and things to reflect that? So, for example, with Trust Insights, you know, we’ve made sure that we have many tiers of pricing and MAE different products that are available for where people are, and understand that your sales cycles are going to be lengthened dramatically, because your people are risk averse. The disease itself, even in the worst case, scenario, I mean, any any loss of life is sad. But it’s not the big problem. The big problem are the healthcare system impacts. Yeah, can you 20% hospitalization rate and the macro economic impacts, which will be arguably be the biggest problem because if you have a whole group of people who have no income anymore, have no jobs, things that significantly dampens things like consumer spending, and the consumer goes first, the business comes second. So right, B2C gets hit hardest first, and then because B2C dries up B2B then runs into trouble. So by projections from the University of basil, the first wave of the pandemic is likely the over by August or September, but just because we’ll run out of people to infect other you know, that’s what the biggest and it will peak in sometime in June, then you’re going to have if you model it basically after 2008 2009, you’re talking about a three year recession three to five years depending on how bad it gets. supply chain so far more or less holding up, but you know, that’s that going to depend heavily on what happens. So for if you’re a small business owner, and we just did this ourselves, get yourself a business line of credit Now, while credit markets are still available, so that you have that rash, backstop for financial services, this is the time to look at your own spending. remove anything non essential, I mean, you don’t have to like cut to the bone and just, you know, stop doing everything. But if there’s a software that subscription To know that service like, yeah, you know, we’ve never actually used that thing. This would be the time to turn those dials off, it won’t save you a ton of money, but every little bit will help. Sure. as a marketer, this is the time to build in your audience, your audience is going to be what you live or die on. So grow your mailing list, grow your text messaging list, making sure and make sure it’s an old audience, not something that Facebook girls own that audience and grow it as fast as you can, by providing great value. be in a position where as long as it’s not materially harmful to your business, give as much as you can. Because in times of stress, people appreciate not you not taking advantage of them. Right. Yeah, exactly. And ultimately, you want, it’s going to take according to the Journal of
Christopher Penn 20:52
can’t read the European Journal of social psychology, new habits, take about a median of 66 days to set in when a habit becomes automatic. So as we do, how is it how all these major changes happening, you know, right now, it’s too soon, don’t try to, you know, change consumer behavior, just monitor it, keep an eye on it. And then as new habits start to form, you’ll you know, in a couple months, you’ll be able to get a sense of here’s where we need to go in the marketplace, based on what people are doing, what they’re buying, what they’re selling, and so on and so forth. So that’s at that point, you could start to make, you know, more longer term strategic decisions, because you’ll be well into the recession by then the pandemic will have become business as usual. Right, and the new normal, which is the phrase everyone loves to use. And from there, you can begin really planning. So right now cut your costs, keep your expenses contained, as best as you can. If you have not already been doing so stockpile some cash, it’s good thing to do, from a business perspective, get that line of credit, and then do a lot of these planning exercises, you know, what’s the worst case scenario? What’s the best case scenario? what’s likely? What are second, third, fourth order consequences if business spending goes down? What happens next? What happens next? What happens next? And that way you can scenario plan?
Unknown Speaker 22:17
Okay. And speaking of building your list, you want to take a moment and let people know where they can find you and sign up for that. That does both those amazing newsletters that’s tried to that I love.
Christopher Penn 22:32
Sure you can go to Trust insights.ai for our company newsletter, we have fresh data every week. This week. Actually, we just just went out the business mentions of COVID-19 and the impact on Facebook engagement rates. And my personal newsletter, you can find a Christopher s pen.com.
Unknown Speaker 22:51
Which is a great one of my favorite newsletters. Definitely. So well. I wanted to thank you again for doing this. And again, amazing stuff here that you’ve given us. And so I really appreciate it and that’s it. We’re done.
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Tod asks, “What’s the most common mistake people make when it comes to marketing personas?”
Marketing personas are aggregates, shorthand for groups or clusters of customers. The top mistake of any kind is not using any data to construct them – relying on opinion only. That’s a recipe for disaster.
Other common mistakes:
– Not having enough data to build meaningful personas
– Failing to use clusters or overriding clusters
– Not having any outcomes to calibrate personas on
– Not having granular enough personas
You Ask, I Answer: Top 6 Marketing Persona Mistakes?
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In today’s episode nachi asks where it is question go here? What is the best way to estimate YouTube ads, KPIs performance for a certain budget, duration, etc? So this is a a fairly common question when it comes to YouTube advertising.
What is it going to cost the same for Google ads? What’s it going to cost? What kind of performance can you expect, and there’s a couple different answers based on what you’re currently doing with with your ads account, the easiest way to get started is if you’re already running ads, and there’s enough data inside Google ads, let’s go ahead and flip over here.
So this is a look at the campaign budget simulator, which is built into Google ads in the web interface.
I’m using a screenshot here, because there’s a whole bunch of client stuff can’t be showing off.
But this is what the campaign budget simulator looks like when you’ve got an ad campaign video ad campaign running because all Google Ads run through the same central platform, you will get a little icon next to either the budget or the cost per view column, depending on whether you’re in campaigns or ad groups.
And it’ll show you, hey, based on the last X number of days of data that your is been in place from your campaign running, here are the likely results you could get for your video campaign.
Based on different levels of budget, you can type in a different budget number there and see, you know, what kinds of performance you could reasonably expect.
This is probably the best tool to use.
But it obviously requires you to already be running some ads.
So you at least want to get some ads in flight, even if they’re not a huge budget numbers, just so that Google Ads has enough data to give you some estimates.
And if it doesn’t have enough data, it will tell you so say like don’t have enough data available from existing ad performance to give you those insights.
Now, that’s if you already got something running, what about if you don’t have something running in flight? Well, the answer to that is a lot less clear.
One of the things you’ll have to take a look at is, are there data points that you could infer some of this information from? And the answer is, yes, sort of.
But nowhere near as clearly as cleanly as Google gives you four campaigns running.
So your best bet is always to have campaigns running one option.
The very, a very simple one, obviously, is to go into tools like Google Trends, just to get a sense of your volume, is anybody at all searching for this thing? One of the things Google Trends allows you to do is do a YouTube search.
So in there, you can then get a comparison to say like, Okay, how does this look over time.
And you can choose the region you’re in, can choose the date range.
So let’s do just for fun here.
ham sandwich versus turkey sandwich on YouTube.
I mean, just get a sense of Is there any search volume at all, sometimes, depending on what you’re working on, they may not be even be volume, let’s take a look at this ham sandwich as a very specific term.
And in that case, there’s an indicator that the campaign probably is not going to do a whole lot if that’s the core term that people would be searching for on YouTube, like, yeah, it’s not really there.
They’re the other tools that you can use as many of different SEO tools.
This is one is ahrefs.
Many different SEO tools allow you to choose YouTube as one of the channels to look at at least keyword performance to see like, what kind of search volume is there? What kind of click volume is there and get a sense of what are these keywords look like on a on a click basis, volume basis, etc.
Now, there’s no costs in here, but you could at least get a sense of Okay, is there enough volume on YouTube? to at least infer, okay, if I know I’m going to pay, say, a buck a click right? What is that going to look like? 1200 clicks on a monthly basis, then it’s probably gonna be at 1200 bucks.
That’s a starting point, to at least give you a sense of Okay, what should I be investing upfront to get those ads started and then once they get started, then you go back to the Google campaign simulator, it’s okay, now they’ve got at least some money in the system.
I haven’t noticed put a credit card with no limit in there.
Then you can start doing the simulator to understand that performance.
So those would be the better ways to to estimate upfront, there really isn’t.
There aren’t any good tools that I know of.
That will give you really solid estimates because a Google keeps Pull out that data for fairly close to the vest and be.
Video performance in particular is, seems to be a little more fickle than regular regular keyword search performance.
Because the Google, the YouTube search algorithms and the YouTube video selection algorithms are, there’s a lot more ebb and flows a lot more things that swing pretty wildly a video can be put up and do astonishingly well.
And then obviously, if that video is monetized, then the ads that show and it will be will, will vary wildly as well.
So there’s more volatility in YouTube than there is typically in Google search.
So it’s one of the reasons why there aren’t easy calculators on the web that you could use to make these inferences, you’d have to just kind of do your best estimates up front, and hope that it is enough to convince somebody to invest some money and then use the appropriate tools.
So that’s the best way I’ve got right now.
I would love to hear if you are in Google Ads Pro, specifically YouTube ads, what is it that you use? Leave it in the comments if you’ve got some useful tips for doing those estimates? We can certainly ask some of our friends who also work at agencies to see what is those places do as well.
But those are my best suggestions right now.
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Anastasia asks, “Is it possible to create a trend? What does it take to make a trend stick?”
If we accept that a trend requires a sustained change in our data over time that’s statistically provable, then we need to create the underpinnings of that change.
Creating a trend that’s net new is extremely expensive and time consuming – but if you do it well, you own it.
You need a base of support and a sustained drumbeat of attention and social proof of adoption.
It took Hubspot 10 years and millions of dollars to make inbound marketing stick, but they did it.
Better to find something that’s nascent and fan the flames than to light the fire yourself. Apple does this better than anyone.
A trend is a brand, when you think about it. What goes into brand building is what goes into trend building.
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In today’s episode Anastasia asks, Is it possible to create a trend in marketing? What does it take to make a trend stick? That’s a big question.
So if we accept that a trend is fundamentally, from a statistical basis, a sustained change in our data over time that’s provable through something like a correlation, or regression, then to create a trend means that we need to create that pattern in our data we need to do stuff that creates that outcome within our data.
And creating a trend is it’s possible.
But creating a trend that’s net new is extremely expensive and time consuming.
Now, the upside is that when it comes to things like demand generation, if you create a trend, you pretty much own it.
And as long as that trend is popular, it is possible to turn that trend into a massive business.
For example, Hubspot made the trend of inbound marketing, they took an idea, which was permission marketing from Seth Godin, and sort of revamped it to be a little more technology based and built it into a huge company.
Now, how did Hubspot do that they created a trend, they created a base of support, they had a platform, and they invested 10 years and millions of dollars to make that trend stick to make inbound marketing stick.
As a result, when it took off.
And it did take off, it took a few years for it to take off.
They were able to capitalize on and build a huge business out of a software business out of it.
How did they do that? Well, with any kind of trend, you need a base of support and a sustained drumbeat of attention and particularly social proof of adoption.
You people need to see that other people tastemakers are adopting whatever the thing is, and continuing to amplify it.
So this means a lot of things that we now would call influencer marketing, where we’re trying to have influencers on a sustained basis, promoting our stuff.
And this is where big trends like macro trends are trying to create vary wildly from influencer marketing, typical influencer marketing is very campaign based.
And an influencer will do something on a campaign basis, and then move on to the next thing.
Whereas if you’re doing trend marketing, that influencer, you basically need to buy them, you need to buy their attention and their audience over a sustained period of time like yours, and have a lot of them working on your behalf to showcase this thing is the real deal.
So part of creating a trend is identifying those people who can consistently amplify your message and you will probably have to pay for it, you’ll probably have to pay a lot of money for it.
You can do that, and to some extent with your own people, depending on the size of your company, but it really, as with so many things in effectively public relations, you need to be having third parties give their credibility to the trend.
So for that trend, you need that base of support.
And you need that, that drumbeat of attention.
It’s really difficult to create a net new trend very often, you are better off finding something that is already trending in some fashion and amplify it or co OPT it or assimilate it.
If you think of an apple as a as a company does is better than any company in the world.
The touchscreen smartphone was a big deal.
Right? But it wasn’t the iPhone was not the first touchscreen smartphone.
The IBM Simon in 1992 was the very very first touchscreen smartphone.
And in the later in the mid to late 90s.
You had all these new devices that word sort of touchscreens, the Palm Pilot that were existed way before the iPhone.
Same for the iPod, the iPod was not even close to being the first mp3 player.
But it was the what was being created on the market was had a phone terrible user interface for the most part.
And so Apple’s ability to take the concept and revamp it with better design is what allowed them to essentially seize on a trend.
Rather than rather than try and and build something that new, the iTunes Music Store and and streaming audio.
They were not the first marketplace for that.
But they integrated it with the technology.
If you look at things like the iPad was the iPad, the first touchscreen tablet, nope.
The Newton was actually OSHA’s their product from 25 years prior.
So there’s so many examples, even the apple user interface, as you know, famously highlighted in the movie Pirates of Silicon Valley was not apples.
They took all the concepts like the computer mouse from Xerox, the Xerox PARC project.
So that’s a better bet, when it comes to marketing is to find some is already trending and find some way to incorporate it into your own marketing.
And do it better.
Find your angle your spin on it, do it better, because then you know, you’ve got the base of general support, right? Apple didn’t have to explain to anybody what an mp3 player was.
They just had to explain why an iPod was better.
HubSpot didn’t need to explain what permission marketing was Seth Godin had done that work.
They just needed to explain why inbound marketing was better.
Find something that’s trending, that has some support has some diehard fans, but it’s not huge yet.
And fanned the flames, right fanned the flames rather than try and build the fire yourself.
so that it becomes your company’s thing, your spin on it.
But it’s a spin on it that no one else can really replicate really well.
In the artificial intelligence field.
IBM has done an amazing job creating the concept of Watson.
Right.
There are plenty of other AI systems out there.
But none of them have been given that kind of personality that Watson has, right at least on the business side of things.
You know, there’s AWS cloud and Google Cloud and stuff.
But when you say IBM Watson people, okay, I know who that is.
You’re just saying Watson people have a general idea.
Oh, that that was a computer that won Jeopardy, right? Even though it was almost 10 years ago.
Now, there are other smarter systems, you know, Siri, for example, Alexa that are out there.
That’s a trend.
And each company has found a way to make its own smart entity.
something of a brand.
A trend when you think about it is an unnamed brand.
Right.
Inbound Marketing is is not necessarily Hubspot by name, but it really is Hubspot.
The smartphone is associated with Apple’s iPhone and Google’s Android devices as well.
But the iPhone was the definitely first to market there.
And still is sort of the the concept leader there.
So when you’re creating trends, think about all the work that goes into building a brand.
And then consider that you have to build two brands, your company, and then the trend itself, the brand of the trend.
But when you approach it like that, suddenly it becomes a lot more manageable, you are essentially just doing a lot of brand building.
So it’s a really good question.
That’s an important question.
Creating trends is difficult, just like creating a brand is difficult.
And if you can find something that you can borrow and improve on legally, you should probably do that.
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Kait asks, “How do you suggest to go about to creating a data-driven strategy standard and breaking the “because we’ve always done it this way” mentality?”
Strategy is always a sale. Every sale has to answer the question, “What’s in it for me?” for the buyer. Not what’s best for the company, for the organization, for the big picture – what does that person get out of it? There’s a reason we call such efforts obtaining buy-in – people need to be convinced to buy.
The greatest challenge is when people don’t understand the value of data or the decisions you plan to make from it. That comes from past efforts where you collected data but didn’t do anything with it, and thus had no results to show for it. Becoming data-driven means making decisions with data, and as with everything, if you can show early, easy wins, you’ll build momentum for your strategy.
You Ask, I Answer: Adopting Data-Driven Marketing Strategy?
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In today’s episode, Kate asks, How do you suggest to go about creating a data driven strategy standard and breaking the, because we’ve always done it this way mentality? So the the mentality of we’ve always done it this way, is one of comfort and security of predictability.
We’ve always done it this way.
means that, yes, you’ll always get what you’ve always gotten.
But if things have been good, there, it’s difficult to sell that change.
The greatest challenge to data driven strategy is that people do not understand the data, or the value of the data, and thus, don’t see a reason to change the decision making process.
And it’s understandable why people feel that way.
But a lot of the time when you have people who are not skilled at analytics, working with data, you get a lot of what Avinash Kaushik tolle calls data puking, where you just pour a pile of data on somebody’s desk and say, here, here’s the data.
And they’re like, What am I supposed to do with this is not helpful.
Part of the reason why it takes so long to change people’s minds is they don’t see that the decisions that you make from data are any better than the decisions that you made without the data, right? If, especially in cases where the data is confirmatory, where it says, Yeah, you know what, you made the right choice all along.
And people go, why do we spend, you know, x months and X dollars? doing this exercise, you’re gonna tell me what I already knew.
That’s where you have to take a step back and say, okay, is being data driven, a good fit for the organization, and there are organizations where it is not, for good or ill, there are situations where it’s an uphill battle, and you won’t realize any benefit.
Particularly if you have people who are not just hesitant, but outright hostile, that is a boulder as a hill, you don’t want to push a boulder up.
So being data driven, means making decisions with data.
And as with everything, the easiest way to get people to change how they do things is to show some wins, show some early easy wins, that can help you build momentum for strategy, especially if it’s something that requires very little effort on your part, and can show somebody Oh, this is really cool.
Like, I didn’t know that real simple example of you fire up Google Trends, right? And you can show just some basic search volume changes in something that a person cares about, and go, Oh, ha, I didn’t know that people searched more for my product or service in June, I thought they were searching more for in in August, when we typically see them in our CRM, and you can say, No, that’s true.
People are searching for our product or service or whatever, two months before they contact us.
So we can market to them early and think, Oh, that’s a decision, I understand.
I’m going to market to them when they’re looking for it.
And they’ll be more likely to buy it.
So it’s looking for the early easy wins as best as you possibly can to build momentum for data driven strategy.
strategy in general, but data driven strategy in particular is a sale.
There’s a reason why when we talk about getting agreement on something, it’s called buy in, right, somebody is buying our strategy.
And what is being exchanged is their time, their resources, possibly the people, certainly their patients are all currencies, of buy in to a new strategy.
And yet, we do not approach strategy as a sale.
Right? We’ll talk about all this this is the the trend that the industry is going in, or this is best for the organization.
Right? How does that work? When someone’s trying to convince you to buy something? It doesn’t I there’s there’s no compelling value there to you.
So when we have to approach data driven marketing, and data driven strategy, we’ve got to approach it from the perspective of a sale, not what’s best for the company, not what’s best for the analytics department or the IT department of the marketing department.
But what is best for the person that has to buy in? What’s in it for them? Right, every sale has to answer the question, what’s in it for me for the buyer? Are we going to give the buyer of our data driven marketing strategy, better results? Are they gonna make more revenue? Are they gonna hit their numbers more easily? Are they gonna look better in front of the boss? What is for sale? What? What is it that they said, You know what? I want that? That looks good, I want that.
And a lot of the things that we put in front of somebody for a data driven strategy aren’t all that appealing.
Right? Oh, it’s, it’s the way the technology is moving.
Great.
That’s not a compelling reason to buy something.
Right? Just because a company comes out with a new smartphone.
And it’s like, minuscule differences from the model you have? Is that a reason to buy it? No.
Right? You have to have some compelling emotional reason for the person to buy in to data driven strategy.
So because we’ve always done it this way is a position of security is a position of comfort.
The buy in, therefore is discomfort that someone is buying in with their discomfort, what do you have to sell, that makes the discomfort worth it? So early wins, easy wins, look at things that don’t require their data, look at search data, look at social media data, look at media data in general, look at data from your existing systems, and what can you say like, Hey, this is a decision that we would make better if we had this information, or Hey, I looked at the data.
And have you tried doing it this way.
And instead of being a hard pressure sales person, right, which nobody loves those, be a consultative salesperson, right? Think about it as How can I counsel and advise this person to make the right choice for them, to show them that the value of what they’re buying is worth it is worth more than the investment they’re making.
And present your data driven strategy that way as a trusted advisor, rather than using role power in an organization use relationship power.
That’s how you get buy in, that’s how you get someone to adopt a data driven strategy is to say that I clearly see what’s in it for me, I want to buy that I’m comfortable enough to being uncomfortable, because I see the benefits of what’s in it for me.
And that requires a lot of hand holding, right? Because anytime we’re going to make a major system change, for example, switching from Google Analytics, three to Google Analytics for because it, it offers you more flexibility.
flexibility in this case is kind of intangible.
And there’s a lot of pain associated with that change.
So what is the thing that you can show that says, oh, wow, that’s really valuable.
We got to make that change, because I want more of that.
Right? So that’s the way that I would approach getting someone to make a change, for adopting a data driven strategy.
Standard is to say, when you do what you’ve always done, you’ll get what you’ve always gotten, and if you’re happy with what you’ve gotten, okay, but what if you could get this instead? What if you could get, you know, 20% better results? Would you want to be able to show your boss 20% growth or whatever the number is will based on your own research that you’ve done? That’s how you get by it.
Then we go.
Yeah, I kind of want that.
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Sandeep asks, “How do you stay aware of new marketing trends?”
The answer here is straightforward: your communities. The communities you belong to will lead you to what’s new, especially in private communities where members aren’t being blitzed by spam and ads all the time, like Discord and Slack. Join a handful, show up, and listen.
You Ask, I Answer: Staying Aware of Marketing Trends?
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In today’s episode, Sandeep asks, How do you stay aware of new marketing trends? Okay, well, the answer here is relatively straightforward.
Your communities, your communities that you belong to, are the ones that will be providing you intelligence on what’s new on, on what’s happening.
And based on the questions that people ask if you belong to Facebook groups would not be my first choice.
But LinkedIn groups, a slack servers, discord servers, wherever it is that you spend time online with your peers.
Those are the communities where you’ll see people asking questions.
Hey, has anyone heard of this Tiktok thing? Hey, has anyone joined parlour? Has anyone done this? Has anyone done that? And after you see it a couple times in the feed, you go, Okay, this is a thing that we need to pay attention to? That would be the very straightforward answer.
Now, here’s the catch.
It requires time, it requires you to invest the time in joining those communities, and stopping by and listening, doing your own assessments of them.
And then ultimately, making decisions and doing some research based on what you find.
If you’re not a member, of any communities, or significant ones, where you’re getting enough intelligence, that’s probably the first place to start.
So go to, you know, go to Facebook, go to LinkedIn, hunt around in the bigger public groups that you’re a member of, you know, social media marketing, world group, secret team, any of these the larger communities.
Those would be the first places to start and ask people, hey, what slack servers or discord servers do you belong to.
And again, you can join, if people are willing to let you know that they exist, they probably want you to join them.
For example, the analytics for marketers community on Slack, it’s the one that my company runs Trust Insights, go to Trust insights.ai slash analytics for markers.
There’s about 1400 people in there.
And the most recent questions have been very heavily about things like Google Analytics for so after enough of those you go, okay, there’s clearly I think here, if you’re unfamiliar, this is what a slack group looks like, this is the spin sucks community from Spin sucks.com.
And this is about 1000.
I think maybe more than that, people who are talking about media relations, public relations, community management, influencers, etc.
The most recent question on, you know, ebooks, ebook formats.
So what you will find is, these communities are great sources of intelligence.
The more that you participate in them, the more that you become a, a full fledged member in the sense of being active in the community, the more people will ask you specific things that you might have answers to as well.
And that is of great benefit, because then you’re going to get the tough questions about things that you have expertise about.
And that may indicate new use cases, new challenges, etc.
For example, I’m this morning and one of my community, someone was asking where the referral exclusions are in Google Analytics for they’re missing, they’re not there.
You have to have a packet yourself.
But that’s not something that I would have thought to talk about.
Unless someone from one of my communities asked the question.
With a lot of these online communities, too, you can ask people like, hey, what things are you working on? What things are you trying out what’s crossed your desk recently? That’s new.
And again, get some useful information, folks, as long as you have a reputation in that community for being a a upstanding member, if you will.
Just lurking I’ve been asking a question out of the blue every now and again, it’s probably not as effective as you contributing answers and help to the communities feeding the communities with your insights.
Now, you can do this with more public sources, like Twitter, for example.
But you tend to get a lot more junk that way.
You tend to get a lot more junk and a lot more self promotional stuff.
A lot of these communities, particularly on slack and discord are strictly non promotional.
To the point where members will be expelled, if they’re, you know, out there Hawking their stuff.
And that’s what you want.
You want places where the actual discussion has happens.
The really critical thing though, is that you need a community for your customers.
Where do your customers spend time online? You know, depending on who your customers are, it could be an old fashioned, you know, bulletin board system.
It could be a web forum, it could be an email list.
It could be a slack group, it could be a Discord server, it could be any of any of these places where people hang out.
But you need to figure out where your customers are hanging out.
And then spending time in those places to stay in tune with your customers, not just marketing trends, but what are your customers up to? What questions do they have? And this, you can only get that through asking them.
So if you’ve got an email list, send out an email saying, hey, what online communities are you members of? And where do we find them? We want to show up and listen.
Is there a Discord server so if you are a gaming company, you better have not only your own Discord server, but you better know, you know, the top five or six in your industry and be listening constantly to see what people are talking about there.
If you’re in b2b, yeah, you better have your own slack group.
But then you better be joining you know, other networking, slack groups that can provide you useful intelligence about what your customers care about.
Because with a lot of these communities, especially ones that are private, that are not in the Facebook ecosystem, you get more honest conversation.
So you can ask people, hey, what do you think of TrustInsights.ai Oh, god, these people is so difficult to work with.
And that can give you some really good unfiltered feedback about your company and help you understand where you stand in your ecosystem, where you stand, stand in the world of trends around your company’s products and services.
So that’s how you stay aware of marketing trends, you spend time with people who you care about, and you listen to them.
And then, as appropriate, you adjust your marketing strategy based on the things that they’re talking about.
And if you’re not doing that, you’re kind of flying blind.
You’re kind of not tuned in to the pulse of your customers, and the things they care about.
One of the things you’ve got to find out, by the way, no, particularly with marketing technology, is that your customers lag behind you a fair amount of time unless you yourself are lagging pretty far fine.
But things like good old fashioned email newsletter may still be the best way to reach your customers.
Despite all these new technologies and platforms, your customers might be there, but you may not be engaged there.
Whereas a simple email newsletter may generate more business for your company than all these social networks put together.
So keep that in mind that and that’s why having that community of your customers is so important so that you can listen to them and go, Oh, we’re gonna launch this whole new thing, but turns out nobody cares about that thing.
Right? That’s, that’s the value of these communities.
Good question.
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In today’s episode, Yulia asks How will you know if a marketing trend is right for your business or brand? Or whether you should stay clear of it? This is a good question because there’s obviously always lots of new things to try out lots of new things to explore new social networks, new tactics, new strategies.
And the answer to this question is relatively straightforward.
There’s a framework that Bob stone came up with, I think, was Bob stone 1968.
Was that 61? for direct marketing, called list offer creative, right? And back, then it was do you have the right list for direct mail? Do you have the right offer to put in front of the customer, and you have the right creative, meaning the actual mail piece itself, and if there’s a lack of alignment, in those, any of those components, the campaigns that you put out simply won’t work? We can repurpose stones framework for this with an additional piece, which is values.
So when you’re looking at any new application, for example, or a new technology, the first thing you have to ask yourself is, does it resonate with your audience, and you have to do some research.
If you don’t already have a focus group, have some kind of your audience, it’s time to get one.
Something like a slack group or Discord server would be ideal, or a handful of people that you can just email, or text or whatever, within reason anytime and say, Hey, have you heard of this thing? Are you aware of it? Things like that.
For an example, go over to Trust insights.ai slash analytics for marketers, you’ll see our analytics for marketers slack group, and I’ll ask people questions all the time.
And they’re like, have you heard of this thing? What’s your take on it? So audience? Is your audience there? And you find that out by asking them? Second, does whatever the trend that we’re talking about fit your values, there will be some places where Yeah, your audience may be there.
But it may not be appropriate for your brand.
For example, there’s a relatively new couple years old, I think, app called parlor.
That is has a very, very specific viewpoint and has a whole bunch of people that endorse that viewpoint, and it may not align with your brand.
There is a new DSP that is has a huge, huge audience.
By Pornhub, right? Again, you may have your audience may be there, but do you want your brand to be advertising there? That’s a question for your values and whether you feel it’s brand appropriate.
The third thing is offers.
And that is Do you have something to offer a value with this trend? Again, this is a very much in alignment thing.
Going back to the Pornhub example.
People go to that site for very specific reason.
And to see your b2b SaaS firewall appliance ad there, the author is going to be misaligned with what the audience is seeking.
Right? That’s a better thing to advertise, say on, you know, PC Magazine or network world, as opposed to Pornhub.
And then the fourth thing is the creative.
Do you have the capacity or capability to make the creative appropriate for that format? And this is a big one for apps like Tiktok.
Can you publish creative that is in alignment with what that the format of the application is? For some brands and some marketing teams, that’s super easy to do.
They have the right kind of culture, the right kind of people, the right equipment and capabilities to publish.
Really good Tiktok videos.
Same for Instagram reels, other brands, they don’t have not been able to crack the code on how do we publish content that meets the requirements of what the audience is looking for here? Again, and that company with that, you know, b2b firewall application, it’s going to be a hard, it’s not impossible, but certainly there are plenty of brands that have done interesting, creative, thematically appropriate creative, but it is hard to do that in an environment say like Tiktok than it is say on LinkedIn.
Right? And again, a lot of that comes down to capacity to do you have someone on staff who is a good video editor.
Do you have somebody on staff who’s good at audio? If you don’t, for example, making a good quality podcast is very difficult.
Your audience may be listening to it.
podcasts, podcasts may be a value and ethically neutral media meaning there’s no inherently challenging part of that you may have offers relevant to have on a podcast, but you don’t have the creators who can record audio cleanly edit it, process it and prepare it for distribution.
And so anytime we’re evaluating any kind of marketing trend, we have to look at these four factors and how well our brand is aligned.
Some of them are operational, some of them require a lot of research.
And the more research you do on things like valid offers, the type of creative, creative, unique type of creative that performs well, who the audience is in as much detail as you can find, the better, you will know whether or marketing trend is right for your business or brand.
How do you know when you should stay steer clear of something? Again, I would say, if you’re really really bad, at any one of these things, or there’s a real substantial deficit, any one of these things, you know, audience values offers creative.
And it’s not something that you can patch up or build capacity capability for, then you steer clear of it, you know, for example, if your audience just isn’t there, wait, you know, if you’re, if the the place you’re looking at simply does not align with your values, it’s probably not going to change a whole lot.
So you either wait or just pass it by, if you can’t find relevant offers relevant things that would be important to the audience there.
You can experiment some for sure, but it’s still gonna be an uphill slog.
And if you can’t build creative, you have to ask yourself are those capabilities things that we would need elsewhere in the organization, and if so, is that need enough to justify the expense sometimes it will be like, I firmly believe that pretty much every organization should have access to some video and audio capabilities, whether it’s through an agency, whether it is through into in house talent doesn’t matter.
You can have something that allows you to create good quality audio and video.
Other things like if you have someone who’s just got a very specific niche, and all they do is, you know, tick tock videos, that might not be as useful.
But those would be the indicators to steer clear of really bad at any one thing, steer clear.
But bad, two or more things, definitely steer clear because you’re just not gonna be able to make up that deficit.
Unless you unless for some reason, you believe it’s a strategic imperative.
And that would be governed by your audience and values.
If your audience is there, and this and the trend is aligned with your values, and you just don’t have the offers and creative to do it, then yeah, if you are pretty sure you can make a go of it, then you would, then you would invest heavily.
Understanding, you might have negative ROI for quite some time, until you can turn things around.
But if say customer acquisition is imperative and not ROI, that might be an okay strategic decision to make.
So that’s how to know whether a marketing trend is right for your business alignment to the four categories.
And then no showstoppers and each of the four categories.
It’s a good question as an important one to think about.
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Michelle asks, “What one piece of marketing advice would you offer to brands as we head into the new year?”
Get your analytics infrastructure in order. So many companies are in terrible condition, analytics-wise, and if you’re a mess, then you can’t make data-driven decisions. You want to be data-driven. You want to make decisions rapidly under changing circumstances, which defined 2020 and will continue to define 2021.
The toughest part of any disaster is surviving it long-term. When that initial wave comes through, be it hurricane or pandemic, a lot of damage is done, and that damage takes much longer to clean up. The effects of this pandemic will probably last at least half a decade, longer in some parts of the world. You’ve got to have a finger on the pulse of your business and your industry – and that requires good data.
You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Advice for Brands in 2021?
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In today’s episode, Michelle asks, what one piece of marketing advice would you offer to brands as we head into the new year? is a time of year again, isn’t it? Alright, so here’s the thing.
The toughest part of any disaster, being a hurricane, tornado pandemic, whatever is the cleanup, right? surviving the initial wave, whatever it is, you know, storm comes ashore, disease runs rampant, is difficult.
And we are still in the middle of a pandemic, despite what various folks would like to think we are still very much in the middle of the actual disaster itself.
And so our first priority for the next year is surviving that.
And then what happens after that is the hard part.
And that is the cleanup.
Look at any region after it’s had a hurricane, you know, the cleanup takes years, five years, 10 years, there are some places that simply don’t recover.
And the effects of this pandemic are going to last a substantial amount of time, half a decade, a decade, for some, there’ll be some permanent damage.
Look at the number of businesses that are simply closing that will never reopen the effects of that the effects of this, this disaster that we are in are still not written.
We still don’t know the implications of all of this, there’s so much we don’t know, we don’t know how the wave of bankruptcies and business closures will affect our markets.
We don’t know how the long term health impacts of the pandemic are gonna affect our customers, there are indications that there may be serious substantial long term effects for as many as one in five people.
So in order to adapt to this environment, we have to become data driven.
And we already have made substantial changes towards becoming more digital companies this year, right? We had to those companies that did not adapt in some way, didn’t make it.
And there’s still a lot of trouble to go through.
In order to be as adaptive as possible, as nimble, as agile as whatever you want to call it.
Businesses have to be data driven.
And that means they need good data.
And they need good analytics infrastructure to process that data.
And this is where businesses fall down.
And this is where the marketing advice for brands is, you must get your analytics infrastructure in order.
So many companies are in terrible condition from a marketing data marketing analytics perspective.
If you’re a mess, if your data is not correct, if your your infrastructure is not set up, well, if you’re tracking the wrong things, if you don’t have any data driven goals, you can’t make agile decisions.
Right? If you are relying on quarterly report on your market for your marketing team, you’re doomed.
Right? So much happens in a week, in a week these days, that waiting for a quarterly report is madness.
And so you need those systems that bring you closer to real time.
That means good web analytics, good tag management, strong business intelligence, a data facility that your employees in multiple disciplines can access and analyze people who know what to look for in that data, and can understand it and say, Oh, this means this or this means that here’s the decision we should make from it.
And a cultural change in your organization that says when the data tells us to change, we change regardless of our opinions on it, regardless of how we feel about it.
When the data says this is the problem.
within the boundaries of your ethics and your values and your laws, you make changes.
Right? So if just a silly example, if your data is telling you, hey, you should be on Tiktok.
It doesn’t matter whether you like it or not, doesn’t matter whether you think it’s a silly thing or not.
If the data’s tell you, you have to go that way, then you have to go that way.
You have to make that decision, and pivot your business to do that.
If you don’t, again, you’re in trouble.
of all these things.
Fixing the infrastructure is probably the easiest, right? It is straightforward.
Companies like mine do it all the time for other companies.
But it is essential.
The hardest part really is the cultural change of getting people to make a cultural shift within your organization to understand the value of data, understand the value of monitoring your data frequently, making the time in your work day to look at the data, even if it’s just as simple as walking by a screen, whether it’s you know, in your home office or in your actual office that has your KPIs, and you can look at and go Hmm, that’s down sharply, isn’t it? Oh, no, I, and having that set up for individual employees for each of their roles, so that they can see, you know, hey, this is the amount of time and the key indicator that I have to pay attention to.
And that applies to every employee in the organization.
Even even people not in marketing, right? You know, somebody who’s in in facilities in ordering, management should be keeping an eye on the prices of commodities that the organization uses.
And you can say, Hey, that looks like there’s a big spike in the price of toilet paper, we should probably order some backup supplies, because this looks like it might be getting scarce.
Right? A whole bunch of people found that out the hard way this are in 2020, didn’t they? So that’s the most important advice I can give you get your analytics infrastructure in order your marketing analytics infrastructure is essential to pivoting when situations and times change.
And there will be big changes in the year ahead.
There will absolutely be we will just in the context of this pandemic, we will have likely one or more vaccine candidates, we will have a gradual reopening of certain kinds of businesses.
Ideally, ideally, we will even see, you know, some kinds of businesses like real world conferences come back by the end of 2021.
Ideally, that is contingent upon everyone following public health measures.
That is contingent on all of us actively rooting out disinformation and intentional manipulation.
That is, all of us, essentially doing what we’re told, right? When it comes to making sure that we follow public health measures from qualified experts.
And I’m not optimistic about that.
I think there’s a big challenges ahead in the year.
But assuming things go well, you need to be keeping an eye on your industry with real time or near real time analytics to say, hey, demand for our products and services is starting to shift dramatically.
Something has happened some you know, maybe it’s our our customers have reopened and are able to move around freely, etc.
Our geography is out of lockdown, whatever the case may be, you won’t know that unless you have your ear to the ground in the form of marketing analytics.
So get your data in order.
Get your infrastructure in order, get that working soon.
And then start making that cultural shift towards data driven decisions by showing people here’s the value of the data, here’s the value of the decisions you can make from the data.
Here’s how you’re going to get you know, your bonus or whatever.
In order for people to go, okay.
I’m going to put my emotional impulses my feelings about a decision secondary to the data, not to say that we’re gonna get rid of it.
Just secondary, making that cultural shift debt to get people to go, Okay, I’m going to try making decisions with data would be my advice for 2021 Good luck to all of us in the year ahead.
It’s going to be a tumultuous year.
Let’s say that right now.
It’s gonna be it’s not gonna be pretty, but we will eventually get to where it is that we want to go.
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