Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • You Ask, I Answer: SEO Value Added Service Offerings?

    You Ask, I Answer: SEO Value Added Service Offerings?

    Luca asks, “I’ve been doing SEO for about 8 months now and I have a few clients that I service. My question is what avenues or skills (related to SEO, like web development) should I invest time in to increase my skill base and what could i potentially do to create more value out of my services?”

    SEO is mainly about creating great content and getting people to pay attention to it. This can be done through market research, writing and communication skills, design skills, and partnering with companies that have these capabilities. Building a community is the best way to create more value out of your services. This community can be leveraged to generate interest, links, and search volume for your clients.

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    In today’s episode Luca asks, I’ve been doing SEO for about eight months now and I have a few clients that I service.

    My question is, what avenues are skills related to SEO? Like web development? Should I invest time and to increase my skill based on what kind of potentially do to create more value out of my services? Here’s, I guess my point of view on this.

    SEO is largely now about creating really good content, and then getting people to pay attention to it.

    Right? So how do you do this? Well, there’s a couple of different ways the creating great content, that’s market research, that’s having good skills in writing and communication, maybe some design skills, partnering with companies that have those capabilities, and then getting those links and stuff like that.

    And creating more value is all about building a community.

    Right? If you can garner a good sized mailing list or good size, Discord server, or a good size only fans or whatever the mechanism that you choose to retain a community, then when it comes to value add for SEO, you will be able to leverage that community much more than somebody who’s just randomly pitching cold links, right? If you have 1000 people on your mailing list, and you chat with them, you provide them great value all the time, then, from time to time, you can probably figure out who on that list does what and say, Hey, I just helped a client put up a new free resource on I don’t know, fermented coffee, I’m making that up.

    And you know, the five people on your mailing list who are avid coffee aficionados, you can reach out to them say, Hey, I got this new thing from a client, you want to check it out and send them link.

    And, you know, say to them, Hey, if you if this is of interest to you, would you mind throwing a link to it on your blog, having a community that most of the time gets value from you and ever so often you can get value back from means that in terms of the things that generate interest that generate links that generate search volume and stuff, you have that as a more reliable resource, right? You don’t have to be that one SEO person, just sending out pitch spam, or running a bot that leaves stupid comments on people’s blogs or the random pitches in people’s LinkedIn inboxes.

    Nobody likes us.

    And very few people respond to them.

    I mean, enough people respond that it’s obviously a tactic that still works.

    But if you don’t like the stress of that, if you don’t like the high variability of those results, spend some time building up your community.

    Spend some time diversifying your communities get people who are B2B, who are B2C, government, military, people who are in retail and finance and fashion and accounting.

    And that the bigger that audience you have of people that you actually interact with, that you care about, that you provide value to, then when it comes time for any given client, you know, they’ve got something to promote, you’ve got a resource that you can go to right away, and create those links way faster, way faster than a competing SEO agency.

    I am astonished at the number of SEO agencies that don’t have some kind of community resource on demand.

    I understand why they don’t do it.

    They don’t do it, because they’re not.

    They’re not seeing the value of those communities.

    They don’t understand that.

    That is your insurance policy against search algorithms.

    But it is a massive blind spot.

    It is a massive blind spot in the SEO community.

    And it is something that is easily fixed.

    Right? I’ll simply fix it simple, not easy.

    I remember a while ago, I was doing some link building for a financial services client and a friend of mine ran a fairly decently sized web site and we were having dinner one night and I said I’ll tell you what, I’ll pick up the bill if you stick a link on your site for this thing knowing that it was on target it was It wasn’t just a random pitch it was it would have made sense to link to it and my friends like sure I mean, I’ll keep it up for a year.

    And he did he put up the link on the site and we got the credit we got traffic from it actually because again it was it was relevant it was on target.

    That kind of relationship building takes time.

    Takes a lot of effort.

    But it is it is Your Parachute.

    Right it is your break glass in case of emergency because getting people’s attention otherwise these days is getting harder and harder.

    This this lovely little device here has a such a profound capability to distract us to take our attention away, that as marketers, we’re having a hard time getting everyone’s attention.

    So if you have that community of people who are already paying attention to you, because of the value you bring them, then you can leverage that.

    So that would be my suggestion for how you can grow, the value that your services provide.

    And how you can eventually charge more for those services, right? Because you can say where other agencies can’t, hey, I can get you relevant placements, relevant placements for your products and services, assuming the company has something that you’d want to link to.

    And if they don’t, you can also be very selective then with your clients say, Yeah, I’m sorry, I can’t take you as a client, because you have a product that sucks, and no one’s gonna want to link to it.

    Right? I remember I worked for this one company where the product was twice the price and half the quality of the nearest competitor, I’m like, Yeah, we’re not doing a link building campaign for SEO, because the only links are gonna get bad reviews.

    So let’s, let’s do something else.

    And we did.

    And the company eventually went out of business, because you can’t run a successful business when you’re twice the price and half the quality of the nearest competitor.

    But, but we knew there was no way SEO traditional link building was going to work, because nobody wanted that product.

    So that’s my suggestion, build that community.

    And by the way, whether or not you own your own firm or whether or not that you work in an another agency, your network, your relationships, your community, that is something that goes with you wherever you go.

    And it is an essential resource if you can, if you can build that and carry it with you.

    from job to job agency to agency, you will do really well you’ll do much better than your peers.

    Having that Network on Demand is it’s golden literally in sales.

    It’s called the Golden Rolodex, the person who builds those relationships.

    They can generate more results faster than someone of equal skill and equals seniority but without the network.

    So good.

    That’s a good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: How to Start a Brand From Scratch?

    You Ask, I Answer: How to Start a Brand From Scratch?

    Ollyvia asks, “If you are starting a brand from scratch, where should I start?”

    The emotional aftertaste of a brand is the sum of a series of experiences. If you’re starting a brand from scratch, you need to decide what emotional aftertaste you want to evoke in your customers. Consider what other brands in your space are doing, and look for gaps in the emotional landscape that you can fill.

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    In this episode, Olivia asks, if you are starting a brand from scratch, where should I start? Well, that’s a big question.

    First, let’s settle on what a brand is.

    There are any number of definitions.

    brand, a brand is a promise a brand is a collection of attributes about a company or service.

    The one that I like best is by a comedian named Jose Frank, who in 2006, said that a brand is the sum of a series of experiences.

    That is essentially an emotional aftertaste.

    So a brand is the emotional aftertaste of a series of experiences.

    And I love this definition because it jives it makes sense, it is what we feel like when you name a brand, the emotions that you feel around that brand, define that brand, right? When you if you’re a big fan of Apple, when you see the Apple logo or talk about the Apple brand, you feel certain things when you see a certain politician by name, that politician has a personal brand.

    And depending on your political orientation stuff, you may be like yeah, or ah, you know, but either way it evokes in emotion, the brands that are in the most peril, or the brands that don’t evoke any kind of emotion, you see the logo and you’re like, Okay, think about it like this.

    You know, here’s a here’s a battery.

    Right? And this is the brand of this battery is EBL.

    I don’t feel anything, do you feel anything? Now these are decent batteries, they do their job.

    Here’s a brand.

    This one is Energizer, right? You at least have some kind of association, there’s something to call upon.

    And it’s got to be a combination of you know that that annoying bunny with the drums and personal experiences you’ve had with this.

    But when you don’t feel anything for a brand, when there’s no emotion, it makes it very easy for for something to become a commodity, right? When this is no better than this, and this is no better than this.

    Then low lowest price wins, right? When there’s a brand, when there’s a series of emotional aftertastes, then this brand or this brand can become your preferred choice, right? You’ll go to that brand first because you have that emotional history with it.

    So the first thing you have to do if you’re starting a brand from scratch does decide what emotional aftertaste you want to invoke.

    And you want to be specific, right? You don’t want SWOT to be out, we want our customers to be happy, right? Or the worst.

    We want our customers to be satisfied.

    Like I’m sorry.

    Satisfaction doesn’t mean anything ever.

    You want your customer to at least to be happy, possibly delirious.

    But think about all of the the words and phrases that are associated with your products and services.

    Look in your customer service inbox.

    And now if you’re starting a brand from scratch, look at what other brands other competitors in the space have got.

    Right? Let’s say you’re starting a coffee chain, right? A coffee shop chain.

    What did the existing brands evoke? Right, you know, there’s there’s Starbucks, what kind of emotions does that evoke? There’s Dunkin Donuts, Pete’s coffee.

    You name it.

    There’s so many.

    What are the emotional aftertastes of those brands? And then once you map that out, look at look at any number of sort of emotional mapping diagrams from psychology like Plutarco.

    We we’ll have emotions, and see where the gaps are.

    If you can clearly define the emotional aftertaste of your competing brands, and you’re new in the space of starting a brand from scratch.

    Where are the the logical gaps? Clearly, if if you’re struggling coffee chain, you probably don’t want abject terror to be the emotional aftertaste that you’re going after.

    Right? That probably would not be great.

    But is there a distinction you can make from satisfied or relaxed or comfortable, maybe, or caffeinated or busy? I was thinking of the the brand slogan for Dunkin Donuts and why America runs on Dunkin and incorporates this emotional sense of doing things going places.

    And what still left all of the emotions that you would want to evoke what’s still left on on that emotional structure.

    That can be your emotional aftertaste that you then build your brain and messaging around your brand assets, your style guide, you name it, when we were doing this for Trust Insights, and we looked around at the other big consulting firms, you know, McKinsey, Bain, Boston Consulting Group BCG.

    And overwhelmingly, the big consulting firms have the same very similar emotional aftertaste that convey that sort over you were much smarter than you were reassuringly expensive.

    Providing a sense of security, in emotional sense of security, right, and I’m not going to get fired for choosing a big name consulting firm.

    But what they didn’t promise was other positive emotions along those arcs, and we found some that we incorporate into our own brand, being a bit more casual, a bit more accessible, being more approachable, speaking in language that people can understand.

    And even though you know, I don’t, I’m trying to say that the work we produce is cheap by any means, but producing work that stands on its own for the value it delivers, as opposed to how nice the PowerPoint presentation looks right.

    And, again, not saying that we have a terrible design, because we don’t actually have a pretty decent design, but the value that we want to provide, and the emotional aftertaste we want to provide is rooted in the value of the content, not the the presentation, not the appearance of it.

    Now, you can and should ideally do both.

    But again, when you’re looking at defining a brand for the first time, what are the emotions that you want someone to feel? We want someone to feel reassured, comfortable, that we want them to feel smarter, right? It’s, it’s easy to make yourself look smart.

    It’s much more difficult to help somebody else feel smart.

    So that’s a core part of that brand promise.

    So that would be my advice.

    If you’re starting a brand from scratch, define the emotional aftertaste that you want your brand to deliver.

    And make sure that it is different enough from your competitors while still not being like completely crazy.

    So that you can carve out a brand emotional aftertaste that is well suited to who you are and sets you apart in the marketplace without making you unpalatable.

    So really good question.

    It’s a challenging question.

    It’s one that people spend a lot of money trying to solve and to varying degrees of success, but thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Gated Content Outdated Marketing Tactic?

    You Ask, I Answer: Gated Content Outdated Marketing Tactic?

    Sara asks, “Is gated content now an outdated tactic? What should we be thinking about for B2B marketing in 2023?”

    Gated content is not an outdated tactic, it is however often misused and can be ineffective for a lot of marketers. The main reason for this is that a lot of content isn’t worth gating in the first place. To determine if your content is worth gating, ask yourself if you would be willing to pay money for it. If the answer is no, then it’s probably not worth gating.

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    In today’s episode, Sarah asks, is gated content now an outdated content marketing tactic? What should we be thinking about for B2B marketing? And 2023? No, no, it’s not outdated.

    But it is misused a lot.

    It is ineffective for a lot of marketers.

    And here’s the reason why gated content, which means content is behind some kind of registration wall where you have to fill out a form to get at it is it’s a sale, right? It’s another kind of sale, instead of asking someone for money, you’re asking them for data.

    And with all all the changing coming privacy regulations, it might be argued that the commitment to giving someone your data could be in some cases higher than the commitment to actually buying something.

    So it does a sale.

    Which means that if the content isn’t worth the value of the person’s data, you’re not going to sell very much of it, right? What do you have that somebody wants so badly that they are willing to buy it with their personal data, right? Because when you go to a forum and you fill it out, you know what’s going to happen, you fill out that form, to get your download, and you know, in seconds is going to be an email from you, and 30 minutes or less a salesperson is probably going to call you and there’s going to be endless calls and emails.

    And hey, just checking in, how about that piece of content, you download any questions about it? Are you the right person to be talking to about this thing? Right, you know, you know, the drill.

    And that’s a hassle incident, a huge hassle, because of all of it, guys, it depends, like I’m antisocial.

    So I just tell people on my voicemail message, I never answered the phone.

    Send me a text, no one ever does.

    But the point is that that’s a sale, you are selling something and asking someone for for their data.

    As as the condition of sale, that is the currency being used their privacy is what you’re selling worth.

    That is what you’re selling of equal or greater value.

    And that is the determinant about whether or not you should gate content is a download worth the hassle.

    Right? Now, if you are a company that doesn’t have a strong sales team, it might not even worth getting content, because you’re not going to have anybody to call these people back.

    Right.

    So there’s that consideration as well.

    But generally speaking, the rule of thumb that I go by is if a piece of content, could you legitimately get someone to pay money for it? If the answer is yes, it’s probable that you can get somebody other than your mother to pay money for that content, then get it? Right, because you see economic value there.

    If you didn’t work for your company, would you see enough value in that piece of content to buy it? And to get out your credit card and buy it? If the answer is yes, it can be gated, because you’re training value for value.

    If you look at your last piece of content and go, I wouldn’t pay I don’t even pay like 1 for that.

    The No, don’t get it because if you wouldn’t pay for it.

    Why do you think anybody else would? And when we’re thinking about what we’re asking somebody to give their privacy to us? Is their privacy worth? Whatever piece of content you’re offering them? If the answer is no, don’t get it.

    So it’s not a question of whether good content works or not.

    It’s a question of value.

    The reason why we’re asking is gated content and outdated tactic is because a lot of content isn’t worth it.

    It’s not worth the sale, you wouldn’t pay money for it, right? If I see someone saying, Hey, I’ve got this new paper on 43 ways, you know, agencies can make more money using Tiktok.

    I’m not going to buy that.

    There are certainly people who would, and they would see value in that they would pay money for that for me know, if somebody said, here’s 43 ways to train your sales team better to win deals in complex sales.

    Without high pressure sales tactics.

    Yeah, I might pay money for that.

    And I pay1 or $5 or 999 for that, or more.

    But that’s content that you could gate because I see the economic value and I see what’s in it for me as the customer I know what’s in it for me, I’m going to sell more stuff.

    If the paper is any good.

    I can give it to my sales team and I can sell them more stuff.

    Right there’s a clear what’s in it for me.

    My I used to work with a sales guy a long time ago who said the radio in people’s heads is permanently tuned to one station wi I fm what’s in it for me? And he was right.

    He is right.

    Look at your gated content? What’s in it for your audience? What’s in it for them? Are they going to learn something new is think about the YouTube Creator Framework that Google announced way back in 2014.

    You know, Hero hub help hero content sort of a big picture? Why? Why are we even talking about this thing? Your hub content is what is this thing your help content is? How do you do this thing? Look at your gated content.

    Does it answer one of those three questions? Why do I care about this thing? What is this thing? How does this thing work? And what’s in it for me? There are any number of, you know, recently, I’ve seen papers on you know, go to market strategy, people saying the go to market strategy is the new Account Based Marketing.

    And I’m like, Yeah, but what’s in it for me? I know how to go to market and may or may not be great at it.

    But I know how to go to market.

    Are there new tips that will help me go to market better, charge more money, keep customers longer.

    And from the papers I’ve downloaded so far, the content I’ve downloaded so far, that has been gated, I mean, like, this didn’t help me, there was no value in here.

    There is nothing in it for me that I didn’t already know.

    And that I wasn’t already doing.

    It was fake thought leadership, trying to repackage cliches as some novel thought it was kind of absent any any new ideas.

    And so there wasn’t value in it for me, which means that the next time I see that company offer content that’s gated, I’m probably going to give it a miss focusing.

    Your last piece of content wasn’t great.

    It there was nothing in it from you.

    It’s just a sales pitch for your company services, and I don’t need that.

    So gated content is not an outdated tactic.

    crappy content is crappy content is outdated.

    Your content that you’re giving away in one form or another or asking people to buy with money or with privacy has got to be worth it has got to be worth paying for.

    If your contents not worth it.

    It’s not going to sell and then yes, it will seem like gating content as a tactic is not working.

    It’s out of date, but it’s not.

    It’s crappy content.

    Anyway, thanks for the question.

    Talk to you soon.

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  • Mind Readings: Cooking Class or Kitchen Tour?

    Mind Readings: Cooking Class or Kitchen Tour?

    When it comes to content creation, it’s important to consider whether you want to provide a kitchen tour or a cooking class. A kitchen tour is a good way to show off all the different tools and appliances you use, but it’s not going to be super helpful if your audience doesn’t already know how to cook. A cooking class, on the other hand, will provide more focused instruction on how to use those tools to make a specific dish. As a content creator, you need to consider what your audience wants and produce the content that will be most helpful to them.

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    In today’s episode, let’s talk about cooking classes and kitchen tours.

    I was recently partnered up with Neil Patel on a webinar we did for an organization and the content of the webinar was, was good, it was fun, it was a lot of fun to do on SEO and where SEO and data science are going and how they can work together coming into 2023.

    But one of the things that struck me as we were delivering the material, as we were putting it together and delivering the material was that it was sort of a landscape review, here’s the general process, an outline for the major SEO tool categories, then, a list of Here are the tools within this category.

    And afterwards, when I looked at it, when I looked at the content, it occurred to me that we’d really kind of given a kitchen tour.

    You know, invite people into a chef’s kitchen and say, Okay, here’s check out all these cool appliances and tools and some nice ingredients we use and things and maybe a quick cooking demo or quick tasting.

    But for the most part, people got a chance to see the inner workings of the kitchen right here’s the keep the produce here’s the blender we use those the bread machine that we use, etc.

    But if you were looking for how to cook a specific dish, a kitchen tours not going to be super helpful, right? A kitchen drawer is gonna be like, Oh, cool.

    You use Viking or KitchenAid or whatever brand, or here’s how it maybe you have your your kitchen layout done.

    It’s not, hey, my, my bread is not rising.

    How do I fix this? Right in the context of SEO, here’s a bunch of different keyword tools.

    Well, keyword tools are cool, they’re important, they are useful.

    But they are a tool, like a spatula, or frying pan.

    If you don’t know how to cook, these things are not helpful.

    If you don’t know how to cook, knowing the difference between an anodized aluminum pan, a stainless steel pan and a cast iron pan isn’t super helpful.

    Like it’s an important difference.

    But if you can’t cook at all, it’s not going to help.

    If you’re sitting there saying, Well, I’ve got this carton of eggs, what do I do with them? kitchen tour is not going to be super helpful.

    So one of the things that we have to be careful of as marketers as professionals, as content creators, is understanding the intent of our audience.

    When does our audience want a kitchen tour? Or when does our audience want a cooking class? Right? We’re talking about things like data science.

    Yeah, there’s a gazillion and a half different tools and packages and libraries.

    I can follow the mouth for hours on end to use this package.

    I use it for this in our or here’s this, you know, library in Python that you can use.

    But that’s a kitchen tour.

    If you’re saying I’ve got a bunch of tweets that I need to process.

    A kitchen tour won’t help you.

    What you want is a cooking class saying I’ve got this raw ingredient, what can I do with it? I’ve got these these tweets, how do I process them? And then we would step through? Okay, well, let’s load them up, make sure they’re distinct.

    Make sure that you have quantitative data in there of some kind, let’s do some natural language processing, split them into unit grams and by grams, and then run frequency analysis to figure out which are the most common phrases or common words.

    In this corpus, which was the most important based on the quantitative data you included? That’s more like a cooking class to say, Okay, let’s take this thing and specifically cook this dish.

    cooking classes are a lot more work, they are much more focused, they require more of the participant of the audience.

    And depending on the skill the presented, they may not be super compelling, right? Think about on TV, when you’re watching Cooking shows, if you watch cooking shows, you’ll see people talk about some of the process and then magically, they’ll pull an oven, a dish out of the oven say hadn’t here’s the final result.

    We all know it’s takes three and a half hours to cook that thing, of course, we’re gonna got to sit on on TV and watch and wait for three and a half hours for that.

    But in the omission of the process, you know, that part of the process, we don’t know what things might have gone right or wrong.

    So as we think about our, the content we create, when somebody wants to a kitchen tour, when they want to see if what they’ve got in their kitchen matches up with yours, or if they want to see if there’s any tools they could be using that are better than what you’ve got.

    But they probably should already be cooking.

    They probably already are doing the task, whatever the task is, they probably should be doing it already and be proficient with the tools that they have so that they can then see is this tool that you’re putting in front of me or that we see In this in this training is quantitatively better, right? For example, if you’re using a standard keyword tool and you see the market Muse system for doing semantic keywords, if you know how to do keyword analysis, you look at that and go, Wow, that’s better.

    That no question that is a better tool.

    And then you could make the decision like, yes, I want to go by that tool, or No, I don’t want to go by that tool.

    But at least if you know your own kitchen, you look at that tool and go, that’s a that’s a better tool.

    If you don’t know how to cook.

    It’s hard to make that decision.

    So from our end, as professionals, we first have to figure out do we want to kitchen toward we want a cooking class.

    From as content producers, we have to figure out what our audience wants and then produce the content that’s going to be the most helpful to them.

    Kitchen tours, from a creative standpoint, kitchen tours are a good way to attract attention to then guide people into specific cooking classes, right.

    So if you’re creating content as a creator, that the kitchen tour will check a lot of boxes and be very flashy.

    But then people will get the value out of the cooking class.

    So if you’re doing email marketing, the kitchen tour, here’s all the vendors to help you with your deliverability and your semantic word choice and stuff is fun.

    And then the cooking classes.

    Okay, let’s take a look at your emails and see how to make them better.

    So which are you interested in? kitchen tour, a cooking class? Which is your audience interested in? And what are you producing? give that some thought.

    Thanks for tuning in.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: What is Identity Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: What is Identity Marketing?

    Hannah asks, “What is identity marketing?”

    Identity marketing is the use of consumers’ identities for marketing purposes. This can be done by creating identities that customers adopt, or by bonding brands to customers’ existing identities. Identity marketing can be beneficial for customer retention, but it can also be detrimental by promoting polarization and inflexibility.

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    In this episode, Hannah asks, What is identity marketing? So identity marketing, it’s got a few different definitions, but in the context that I’m using it, it is the leveraging of consumers identities for marketing purposes.

    It is brands, creating identities that customers adopt that they fuse into their, into their existing identities.

    This is not a new idea.

    We’ve had it for decades, if not centuries, right.

    But with the advent of the internet and social media, it’s it’s become much much more prominent, especially in social media.

    For example, we’ve always had public brands where we take that brand, we bond it to our personal identity, we identify ourselves, we say, we are this kind of person with that brand.

    For example, I live in Boston, a lot of people in Boston or Red Sox fan, so that is part of their identity.

    As a person they they view themselves as being a Red Sox fan, it’s who they are.

    Which means if you put them in the room with the Yankees fan, you know, there’s there can be friendly rivalry or on friendly rivalry, depending on how ardent that those people are about their identities, right.

    People get in fistfights about their favorite baseball team stuff.

    That’s an example of identity marketing.

    This corporation has created something that people attach to themselves as part of who they are.

    Another example that’s really well known Harley Davidson, right Harley Davidson, the motorcycle company, just that name alone, probably depending on your on where you live, may conjure up this mental image of a certain kind of person with a certain kind of looks a certain kind of clothing, they wear a certain type of vehicle, they drive that different habits, that is identity marketing.

    And it’s so powerful when it’s done, right? When, when you think about it, there are people who get tattoos of their favorite brands, right? They will people who have, you know, Harley Davidson tattoos on them, or Boston Bruins tattoos, they would literally take needles and stab them into their body to, to put this mark of this brand on themselves.

    That’s how fused the identity is.

    That’s what it is.

    But brands are doing and have been really trying hard to do over the last really, decade or two with the eager consent of many customers is work harder than ever to fuse themselves to a person’s identity.

    In theory, this is good marketing, in theory, because it’s very hard once something becomes part of your identity to dislodge.

    Right, the switching cost is very high.

    For some things, right? Like, you know, a pack of gum.

    This is not something is going to bond itself to your identity.

    And if you don’t have that particular brand new GM, yeah, we’re like, okay, fine, I’ll get something else.

    Alright.

    Whereas someone who’s a die hard Harley Davidson man or a die hard Apple fan, they’re not gonna be like, no, just go get a different, you know, just go get a Yamaha.

    Or just go get an Android people like those people who were it’s so much part of identity like no, I would never never do that, ever.

    And so that’s good marketing.

    Right? That’s good marketing.

    It’s it’s customer retention.

    For example, it’s something you think about identity.

    How often do people change religions? Not often, it is not something that happens a whole lot.

    Religion is as much a part of someone’s identity as a system of belief.

    There are people who are affiliated culturally with a religion, even if they don’t practice the religion itself, right? People who say they’re like a lapsed Catholic or a terrible Jew or an incompetent Buddhist or something along those lines where the religion has become part of their identity.

    This has gotten really bad in the last really the last 20 years with politics, right? Political parties do this to great effect.

    So much so that people commit heinous acts of violence in the name of their political identity and It’s so rabid, that it’s very difficult to dislodge.

    Right? It’s, it’s almost a cult, when you talk to somebody who’s a fan of this person or that person to this party or that party.

    It has that same zeal that makes it very difficult to dislodge makes it very difficult for someone to change their mind.

    And it makes it very difficult for, for people to avoid the extremes of any system of belief.

    The negative consequences of identity marketing is that you can create really bad situations.

    So there’s a couple things that brands have to keep in mind.

    One, if you are bonding your brand to someone’s identity, if you are saying this is who we are, this is what we stand for, you are inherently going to reject a portion of your audience, you’re inherently going to reject a portion of your customer base, if you say that you are ardent fans of the outdoors, and you wholeheartedly promote mitigating climate change, there’s a whole section of the population that will not buy from you, because they don’t believe in it.

    Right.

    If you wholeheartedly say you believe in trans rights, gay rights and trans rights, there’s a whole chunk of the population that will not buy from you.

    It’s fine and good and laudable, to incorporate values into your brand.

    But there is the trade off that a portion of your customers simply will not do business with you anymore.

    The bigger problem with identity marketing itself, is it promotes additional mental and emotional in flexibility in a population of people that globally, globally, not just one country already has relatively little mental and emotional flexibility.

    We are as a planet.

    So incredibly polarized in so many nations around the world, with this mindset that you’re either with us or you’re against us.

    Attitudes for everything under the sun, is the earth round, right? Should I wear a mask? Or should I get a vaccine that is life saving? There, we’ve polarized everything.

    And part of the reason for that is our eager embrace, across industries across industry types of identity marketing, the more we advocate that somebody adopt our point of view into their identity, the more inflexible we make them.

    You know, if you think about it, take any polarizing issue at all, like wearing a mask, right, which shouldn’t be polarizing, but it is.

    That has become part of people’s identity.

    Right? Either you don’t do it or you do it.

    And there is, of course, a tremendous amount of strife that people have with each other about this relatively simple thing.

    If you step back, you’re like, Oh, well, it doesn’t really impose a huge cost seems like a fairly logical thing to do.

    But because it’s become part of our identities, it’s become part of the identity of, of systems of belief.

    It’s polarizing.

    And so, as a brand as a as a marketer, you have to figure out whether you’re going to use identity marketing as a tactic and as a strategy and if so, what the consequences of that will be, and you may not get a choice, right, you may not get a choice in the matter if your customers already take your product and fuse it to their identity anyway, right? If you if you make one of these things, this whether or not you want to be doing identity marketing, about whether people should wear masks, if you make this thing, you’re part of that conversation, whether you want to be or not.

    And so part of your job as a marketer is to look at the products and services you offer and say is there a possibility that we could be lumped into a certain point of view that would be harmful to our business? And if so, we probably want to try and have some kind of plan in place to deal with that.

    But that’s what identity marketing is.

    It’s a very challenging thing it is it can be extremely damaging.

    It can be very harmful to people.

    People can can and do often.

    Do very out of character things for them because they’ve they’ve transitioned a point of view into a belief.

    And that belief is something that is very hard to change and very easy to create a defensive reaction if it’s ever challenged.

    So give that some thought.

    But it’s a really good question.

    It’s

    an important question.

    We are at a point now where what’s happening in the world is getting more and more pronounced natural disasters, get bigger pandemics, new novel diseases, et cetera.

    So much so that even if we’re not necessarily involved in identity marketing right now, we probably will be at some point.

    So have plans in place? Really good question.

    It’s a complicated question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Infographic Tactics in 2022?

    You Ask, I Answer: Infographic Tactics in 2022?

    Adrienne asks, “I’ve seen some good examples of Data and the use of infographics in Pr and lends themselves to social. Still a tactic in 2022?”

    Tactics always work. It’s how well they’re executed that matters. Infographics are just a tactic and if done well, they can be very effective. However, if the data is invalid or if the infographic is confusing, it will not be effective.

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    In this episode and asks candy corn yes or no? Now, they look like teeth and it tastes like wax.

    Next question.

    Adrian asks, I’ve seen some good examples of data and the use of infographics and public relations and social media.

    Is this still a valid tactic in 2022? Yeah.

    Well, here’s the thing about tactics, tactics always work.

    It’s how well, they’re executed that matters is how good you are at them, right? It’s like, is frying still a valid method of cooking in 2022? Yes, of course it is.

    Unless you’re an idiot.

    And you’ll you stick your hand in the fryer, the no huge under no circumstances, be frying anything.

    Infographics are just a tactic.

    They’re a method of condensing and distributing data.

    And so if you’re good at it, if you’re good at putting together something that tells a good story that is appealing to look at that is helpful and useful and valuable, it will absolutely work.

    The reason for your question is because there’s a whole bunch of people out there, particularly in the public relations field, who are really bad at infographics, they create infographics that are just confusing to look at.

    They don’t say anything, or they do say something that’s blatantly self serving, the data of the underlying data is invalid.

    This has been especially a problem with surveys, I can’t tell you the number of times that I have talked to a public relations person about serving data, and how to explain basic mathematics like, No, you can’t add up certain percentages, you just can’t do that.

    And so we have seen over the last 10 years, in particular, last really last five years, but especially the last 10 years.

    Infographics went from something novel as a format to something pretty trite.

    But that doesn’t mean they don’t work, it just means that you have to be better at them than you have in the past, you have to be really creative.

    You have to partner with good designers, right? People who are visual communicators, if that’s not you, you have to partner with really good designers to distill down and tell the kind of story you want with data, you have to, you’ve got to have good data.

    Right? If the data you’re putting together and an infographic makes no sense or is too hard to understand, which is something I’m guilty of a lot, then it doesn’t land people look at and they don’t understand it.

    One of my favorite infographics of all time that I did, was mapping the size of social networks to the Kingdoms of Westeros Game of Thrones, like, here’s how large this social network is this social network is, it was so so much fun, we actually made like a wall painting of it.

    That was pretty easy to understand.

    People could look at that and understand Oh, this is, that’s how big, you know, Facebook really is? Or how big WhatsApp really is.

    It’s the size of whatever the Lannisters controlled.

    And so it’s just a question of, of developing those storytelling skills with data.

    That makes it a working tactic.

    And again, there’s a lot of, there’s a lot of garbage.

    There’s a lot of mediocre stuff, too.

    One of the things that we don’t talk about enough in content marketing is your contents got to add value somehow.

    Right.

    One of the things that is in Google’s webmaster guidelines, the search quality rating, rater guidelines that I thought was really insightful was the middle score, which is pretty much guaranteed to not have you show up well in search.

    There was this expression they wrote says nothing wrong, but nothing special.

    Right? That is sort of like the doomed category of content in their search quality rating islands.

    Nothing wrong, but nothing special.

    When you look at an infographic that isn’t done well.

    You look at it, okay, nothing wrong with nothing special.

    And that’s I think, is the worst.

    I think I think that’s even that’s even worse than a bad infographic because a bad infographic it’s like, you know, a bad movie after a certain point.

    It’s funny, right after certain points, like, that’s so bad that it’s actually good.

    But when you get into the the territory of the mediocre, that just doesn’t stand out that doesn’t do anything like Wow, your eyes are sort of slide off into the next thing.

    And that’s really dangerous.

    That is really dangerous YouTube content marketing because again, if

    if people notice something thing, good or bad? You’ve gotten their attention for at least for a little while.

    But if you put something out that is bland that is unremarkable, you’re not gonna get any action on it no heat whatsoever.

    You won’t get critics you won’t get fans you just get nothing.

    Take a look at the feedback you get about your marketing now, in your customer service inbox, in your email inbox in your newsletter and marks in your social media.

    inboxes.

    What feedback are you getting? Are you getting people like yeah, I really enjoyed that PSA.

    Well, that was good, or that was really wrong.

    I don’t I didn’t like that.

    I think you’re wrong about that thing.

    Or are you getting nothing? Nothing but crickets.

    If you’re not getting feedback, good or bad.

    You’re you’re content marketing has fallen flat.

    And an infographic will not help that it will not fix that because whatever is fundamentally wrong with your marketing is going to spread to every tactic that you try, right? If you are working with bad ingredients, it doesn’t matter whether you fry Baker boil, it’s still bad ingredients.

    So infographics absolutely still work in 2022.

    If you’re good at them, just like email still works just like direct postal mail still works.

    If you’re good at it in 2022.

    The challenge is you’ve got to be good at it.

    And that is the mountain we all have to climb.

    Thanks for asking.

    No more candy coin.

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  • Mind Readings: Frameworks and Checklists

    Mind Readings: Frameworks and Checklists

    Strategy and tactics are commonly intermingled and they really shouldn’t be. Here’s the difference.

    Summary:

    In this episode, the speaker talks about the difference between strategy and tactics. He says that strategy is like a menu, while tactics are like recipes. He suggests that if you want to be doing more strategic work, you should be working with more menus (frameworks). If you want to improve the tactics and execution in your company, you can sit down and make better recipes (checklists).

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    In this episode, let’s talk about frameworks and checklists.

    I was at an event recently Content Marketing World, listening to one session and seeing a presenter kind of commingle strategy and tactics, right.

    What are we going to do? And how are we going to do it kind of thing.

    And they’re commonly intermingled, and they really shouldn’t be because they’re different things, or different things.

    Generally speaking, if you’re talking about strategies, you should be doing things and working with things like frameworks, for example, some kind of framework that helps you eat, elucidate your strategy, and make it easy for people to understand such as Porter’s five forces or a SWOT analysis, or the four P’s of marketing, right? These are frameworks that help you define your strategy.

    The Trust Insights five P model is an example of a framework that applies to a strategy.

    When you’re talking about tactics and execution.

    Frameworks don’t really apply as much there they can to some degree, but at that point, you’re really talking about checklists, right? You’re talking about checklists, almost recipes or cookbooks on how do you do the thing in a repeatable, scalable, efficient, effective manner.

    So if you find yourself working with frameworks, you’re probably doing strategy.

    If you find yourself working with checklists, you’re probably working on tactics and execution, and the vice versa is true.

    If you are being asked for strategy, and you’ve come up with a checklist you’ve not you’ve come up with a set of tactics.

    If you have come up with a framework, then you you’ve probably started on the road to strategy.

    Here’s a good analog for this.

    A strategy is like a menu, right? When you go to a restaurant, and you read the menu, that is a framework, right? There’s appetizers, main courses, desserts, drinks, that framework helps you make decisions about what to have, what should I eat? And, you know, depending on the the restaurant, you go to the you could have a lot of challenging decisions in front of you, like, do I want the cramp or lay later? Do I want the steak? What kind of wine do I want the steak and so on and so forth.

    The tactics and execution, those are the recipes.

    Here’s how to cook a medium rare stick right, you get the center 235 degrees Fahrenheit.

    And don’t let it go above that.

    Here’s how to make mashed potatoes.

    Here’s how to do this.

    Here’s how to make a salad that that tastes good.

    I always salt your tomatoes.

    Because tomatoes contain glutamic acid, adding salt makes it form a natural form of MSG.

    Those are all recipes.

    Right? Very tactical, very executional.

    And can you imagine sitting down in a restaurant, and having someone hand you a cookbook full of recipes and say up here, just use what we have available? You’d be like, I don’t need know how to cook it, man.

    I just want to I just want to order some food.

    Right? Can you imagine working in the kitchen saying okay, so the customer just ordered veal piccata.

    And, and your sous chef just hands you a menu, like know how to cook this thing helped me out here.

    That’s the difference between strategy and tactics, frameworks and checklists.

    Right, the menu is a framework.

    The recipe is a checklist.

    If you are working with one type of content like framework or checklist, you know what you’re working on.

    If you want to be doing more strategic work, right, if you’re you aspiring a career to be doing more strategic work, you should be working with more menus, you should be working with more frameworks, you should be introducing frameworks.

    Even if your company doesn’t do that.

    You could be blogging about it, putting it up on YouTube, things like that.

    That’s how you move from one to the other.

    Right? If you want to improve the tactics and execution in your company, maybe you’re the CMO, maybe your VP of marketing, and your marketing team is just not getting the job done.

    You can sit there and yell like, well, this is this is not aligned with our strategy.

    Or you can say show me your cookbook.

    Show me your recipe show me your checklists show me the order of operations and how you do things.

    And let’s sit down and make better recipes.

    Right so you can step down into tactics execution to sticks and tune them up.

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    But the distinction between the two is really important.

    You don’t want to commingle them.

    You don’t want to mix them up.

    You don’t want to think you’re doing one thing and not the other.

    You don’t want to think that you’re doing strategy, but you’re actually doing tactics because then when someone comes along and says, show me your strategy, and you hand them a recipe, they’re gonna look at you like, you don’t really know what you’re doing, do you? So that’s my suggestion for how to tell whether you are working on strategy or whether you’re working on tactics.

    You’re either working on frameworks or checklists, menus, or recipes.

    Thanks for tuning in.

    Talk to you soon.

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  • Mind Readings: What Exactly is a Brand Voice?

    Mind Readings: What Exactly is a Brand Voice?

    At a recent event, I listened to a discussion about brand voice and it occurred to me that there really isn’t such a thing.

    Summary:

    A brand voice is the way a company or brand chooses to communicate with the public. It is the aggregate voice of the people who run that brand, the people who are in marketing, the people who are stakeholders and executives, and how they want that thing to sound. Most corporate brand voices are watered down because they are created by committees. It is better to have a few people who are authorized to speak on behalf of a brand and follow specific guidelines and restrictions.

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    In this episode, let’s talk about brand voice.

    At a recent event Content Marketing World, I listened to Ann Handley present her talk about brand voice and was a really good talk a lot of fun talking about how brand voice can can differentiate you.

    But I, it occurred to me and as I was listening to the talk, as I was listening to her to go through some of these examples.

    I’m not sure that brand voice exists.

    Well, let me rephrase it, I’m not sure that brand voice exists as a coherent entity most of the time.

    And here’s why.

    When we talk about a voice, we’re talking about something like you and I, right now, right, I’m speaking to you in my literal voice.

    And I’m using words and grammatical structures and vocabulary that are unique to me, right, that are part and parcel of how I grew up how I was educated, and ultimately how I choose to present myself.

    And a brand voice is, in theory, the aggregate voice of a brand, right? It’s the aggregate voice of the people who run that brand, the people who are in marketing the people who are stakeholders and executives, and how they want that thing to sound.

    You can imagine that, and this is why most corporate brand voices are awful, you know, anything by committee is generally going to create less distinct results than anything done by an individual.

    They may, you know, what an individual may create maybe better or worse, you know, higher or lower quality, but it’s distinct to that individual, when you start synthesizing voices together, blending people’s voices together, you’re gonna get sort of a watered down sounding voice, you’re gonna get a watered down point of view, especially if there are multiple layers of approvals and things like that, where the legal team has to weigh in and stuff.

    And so that got me thinking, Is there even such a thing as a brand voice? Or is there a person, or maybe a couple of people who are authorized to speak on behalf of a brand, and follow obviously specific guidelines and restrictions, but essentially, are proxies for that brand’s voice? For example, when we look at an example from our talk about the people who write the captions for Stranger Things on Netflix, at the end of the day, that’s one person and actually highlights this person in her talk.

    That’s one person’s voice that is working on behalf of the brand.

    But it is not a brand voice.

    If you polled 50 People at Netflix, you know, we’re working even on that production, that those are probably not the words that they would have chosen.

    If you think about your own company, how does your company decide how to sound? Right? This is something that, for example, Katie, and I Trust Insights, as the CO owners, we have very different voices, right? And so when you look at the content that we create, for Trust Insights is relatively straightforward to figure out who wrote what, right you can read a piece of text and go okay, that was definitely written by Katie, or that was definitely written by Chris.

    And there isn’t a voice that we have that is a an amalgamation of the two of us, because we’re just such different people.

    And we’re the owners, right? So we are the stakeholders.

    Now imagine a marketing team in place, a PR team in place trying to pitch this thing out and communicate into the world.

    I, I’m not sure that there would be a brand voice that would be as effective as a person’s voice.

    Now, can you have agreed upon standards? Absolutely.

    You can say yeah, there’s a style guide or these you know, there’s certain things we do or don’t do.

    And maybe you do use profanity, maybe you don’t use profanity, maybe you reference pop culture, maybe you don’t, but at least when we think about the voice of a brand, unless you’re the Borg right and hear your voices.

    No resistance is futile.

    You will be assimilated.

    I don’t know how valuable it is to try and and create one as opposed to finding the people within your organization who have the

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    voice that you’re looking for.

    People who can write, and speak and create content in a way that you think reflects well on the brand.

    And letting that team do their work, right, letting people create stuff.

    Obviously helping them collaborate, obviously helping them communicate.

    Obviously making sure everyone is on the same page about what’s going on and what you should be doing.

    But at the end of the day, if you find that your content is so watered down, that it is meaningless corporate dreck.

    It might be time to let individual people speak on behalf of the brand.

    They don’t necessarily take credit or be, you know, in front of the camera or anything.

    But there’s something to that, I think, because we as humans, as people, we resonate best with other people, right? I don’t go to sleep at night dreaming of a brand, right? I have dreams about people I know.

    I might interact with a brand’s products and that dream, but I don’t have a conversation with that brand.

    I don’t imagine having a chatbot session speaking to this Borg voice of a brand.

    So give that some thought.

    give that some thought about whether you’re taking the route of an amalgamated sort of bloodless and soulless voice or whether you’re letting the individual voices of people who are authorized to speak on behalf of your company.

    You’re letting those voices shine through.

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  • Mind Readings: Advanced Questions

    Mind Readings: Advanced Questions

    At a recent event, one of the speakers talked about answering the advanced questions. That got me wondering… what exactly are the advanced questions, anyway?

    Summary:

    In this episode, the speaker talks about how to create content for key stakeholders, instead of commodity content that search engines would find. He talks about how there are two or three different models and frameworks for getting to things like advanced questions or to any advanced topic. The first framework he talks about is the “how, what, why” framework. The second framework is the Google “hero, hub, help” model. He talks about how research is a big part in finding these advanced questions. He talks about how to create hero content, and how it takes a lot of time and effort to create truly original and unique content.

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    In this episode, let’s talk about the advanced questions.

    At a recent event, I was at Content Marketing World, Drew Davis did a great keynote talking about rarely answered questions on how we can create content for key stakeholders instead of commodity content that search engines would find.

    And I got me wondering, what exactly are the advanced questions anyway? There’s two or three different models and frameworks for getting to things like advanced questions or to any advanced topic.

    So the, the, the premise of Drew’s talk was that the Frequently Asked Questions are very often tactical questions that have a gazillion answers, right.

    They’re frequently asked questions.

    How do you do this? How do you do that? And if we think about the types of questions people will ask, How was a very common question, how do you do this thing? Right? How do you get more followers on Instagram or something along those lines? The second tier up sort of goes slightly more advanced would be a what question, what is Instagram? Right? What is the purpose of having followers and so on and so forth? And then the highest tier would be the why questions? Why would you even do this? And why do you care about this thing? In his talk, he mentions, one of the rarely answered asked questions is, why does content marketing take so long to work? Right? There’s plenty of questions on how long it takes to work, but very few pieces of content a why it takes so long to work.

    So that how what, why framework is very useful for trying to determine what those more advanced questions are.

    At the higher levels.

    I mean, Simon Sinek has been talking about this for a number of years, the whole start with why premise of asking really challenging questions about your brand, why do you show up to work? Why does your company exist? And so on and so forth? These are questions that you’re not going to Google and answer for.

    Right? There’s no, there’s no way to Google what is my company about? That is something that you have to answer.

    But that is absolutely something that a CEO or CMO will be interested in.

    The second framework, which mirrors the how what why framework very closely is Google’s hero hub help model and they use this for content marketing, specifically, they advise creators that there’s there should be a large pyramid of at the bottom of the pyramid sort of help content? How do you do things right how to make bearnaise sauce.

    Then there’s hub content, which is sort of monthly, bigger pieces that you promote more that you spend more money on that are more, they’re less execution more tactical.

    And then of course, there’s the Hero Pieces, the once a quarter big splash pieces of content that you roll out big premieres, for example, on your YouTube channel.

    And this hero hub helped model is there a suggestion for making content that does well, now, the hero hub help model sort of goes against what Drew was talking about in the sense that Google advises you create a lot of help content, relatively frequent hub content, and then relatively infrequent help a hero content because the hero content takes a lot longer to create, requires more investment of resources, more promotion, and requires really having these big ideas on a fairly frequent basis, some kind of big idea or big concept.

    For folks who have written books or given conference talks, you know, that big ideas are tough to create, right? truly original, unique, big ideas.

    They take a lot of effort, creating help content, tactical how to content.

    That’s easy.

    That’s that’s straightforward.

    Here’s the difference between that the strategy that drew presented and the strategy that that Google presents, Google is trying to get you traffic, right.

    Regardless of quality, they just want eyeballs on your content, because that benefits them.

    The more eyeballs that they have on YouTube, the more ads they can sell.

    But it does also jumpstart your community right because of your can attract a lot of people who are very tactically minded, that can create a community for you.

    Now, one of the things you have to do is if you’re going to take that approach out, you have to approach it for a long period of time, because if you want those people and your audience to be strategists and sees We,

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    you could be dealing with people, you know, in your audience for 10 to 15 years, right, as they ascend the hierarchies in their organizations, they naturally become more senior over time.

    And you’re able to take those relationships and work with them.

    But it takes 10 to 15 years, right? If you’re trying to get results, sooner rather than later, you might be better off flipping that and going for as much hero content as you can afford, targeted at the highest levels of a company.

    How else do you get advanced questions? Well, a big part is research.

    There is no substitute for going out to your target audience, people you really want to talk to? And asking them, what are the tough questions that you have? What are the questions that you’ve not been able to find the answers to? What are the challenges that are taking longer than you think.

    And this because your audience at those highest levels is not going to be huge, you’re not going to be rolling out a massive survey, you’re probably going to be bending someone’s ear at a conference, right? Maybe scheduling a one on one call if you can get onto somebody’s calendar, things like that looking at aggregating research done by other research firms that do have that level of access, if you don’t, to put together what those questions are.

    That’s challenging for a lot of organizations, right? And that’s challenging for any kind of research.

    Because if you want to talk to the fortune 50 CMOS, well guess what everybody else does, too.

    And it can be very tricky to get a hold of them.

    So you might have to look at people that level of seniority, but maybe not at the biggest companies with the understanding that a lot of the challenges that maybe someone in the Fortune 1000 is facing, probably at least some of them, there’s some overlap with challenges of the Fortune 50.

    Right.

    Think about ROI and marketing.

    We know what ROI is, you know, that’s that’s an easy question.

    It’s earned minus spent divided by spent, it’s a very common financial formula.

    We know less about what are the best ways to calculate ROI.

    And one of the challenging questions is why is ROI so difficult to compute? And why is this seemingly simple formulas? So out of reach for a lot of people? Why do consulting firms get paid millions of dollars to get that answer? That would be that sort of hero level content, and you’d have to invest some time in it.

    Think about hero content, like writing a book, right? When you write a book, this thing probably has a big idea in some kind.

    And it’s going to take you a long time, anywhere from six to 18 months to crank this out.

    So if you want a cadence of hero content, you’re going to need to have essentially, four books in progress at any given time throughout the year to crank out one per quarter.

    That should help you calibrate level of investment, you need to create those advanced questions to create the hero content that would answer those advanced questions.

    So that’s some thinking about how we can extrapolate from that particular talk into something we can do.

    Right? Your first step is going to be doing the research and then figuring out how you’re going to create the content about those multiple big ideas at the same time.

    So that’s today’s mind readings.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Generational Word of Mouth Differences?

    You Ask, I Answer: Generational Word of Mouth Differences?

    Dave asks, “Have you found any generational differences in the amount of word of mouth happening?”

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    In today’s episode, Dave asks, Have you found any generational differences in the amount of word of mouth happening in short now.

    Now people talk about things that they like the catch their attention, regardless of age, or gender, or demographic or geographical location or any of those things.

    If something’s cool, people talk about it.

    People shared people distributed people promoted.

    What has changed are the channels where people talk about these things.

    50 years ago, it was literally around the watercooler right, or maybe in the newspaper 25 years ago, it was by email, right email and endless, endless forwards.

    People forwarding hitting reply all on everything all the time, the bad old days.

    10 years ago, it was on Facebook, today, a whole bunch of new channels where people are spreading word of mouth.

    Everything from places like next door to you know old school places like Facebook, they are still people technically on MySpace Tiktok, Discord, Slack, you name it.

    What has changed is the number of channels available to people.

    And the speed at which word of mouth spreads, you know, a group chat or group text, you’re talking about word spreading instantly.

    When you talk about things like a discord community or a Slack community, you’re talking about scaling word of mouth, to a large group of people behind closed doors where marketers can’t see.

    But the word of mouth is 100% happening.

    So the generational differences to the extent that there are is really about the channel, the channel of communication, how people prefer to spread the word.

    But the underlying fundamentals have not changed, you have to have something worth talking about.

    Right word of mouth will not spread if there’s nothing to spread, if your product is exactly the same as a competitor and maybe 2%, cheaper, who cares? If your product is working with one company, their product was twice the price and half the quality of the newest competitor.

    And it was always an ongoing struggle to explain to the stakeholders like why why people weren’t talking about the product in a positive light? Well, because it was twice the price and half the half the quality of the company was to competitor.

    The challenge, the big challenge is that what constitutes word of mouth, that bar has gotten a little bit higher, not necessarily in the product itself.

    But in the ability for one person to get another person’s attention about something, we are living in a media landscape that is so pervasive, that is so attention hungry, that everybody wants us talking about something everybody’s asking us to share to spread the word to promote.

    And when everybody’s doing it, it gets really noisy.

    So to stand out to have word of mouth be effective, you have to be substantially better than the other things that occupy word of mouth.

    Right? You have to be better than the content on Disney plus, you have to be better than the sports team that’s playing, you have to be better than the politicians that pissed you off last week.

    And that’s a tall bar.

    Because those other things.

    Those other things consume a lot of attention.

    Attention is the scarcest thing we have, right? I’m thankful that you’re just watching this video at all right? Because you’re giving me attention when you could be giving it to, I don’t know, you know, some politician ranting about something.

    We have to figure out how to continue to earn attention and hold on to it.

    So if you’re looking at your data, and you’re seeing generational differences, what you really are probably seeing is channel differences, which means that you should do some attribution modeling and figure out where does your attention to come from? And how aggressively are you pursuing getting more of it on the channels that are working without You know, when I look at my data, there isn’t a single channel that is standing out heads and shoulders above all the rest saying this is the channel of beyond except email.

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    email is the one channel that I have now, maybe I’m just a bad marketer.

    But email is the one channel that consistently delivers very high rates of attention.

    Everything else, attention seems to be very, very ephemeral, even, you know, the private Slack community and stuff.

    getting people’s attention on a regular consistent basis can be challenging, because there’s so much else competing for our attention, so much else competing for the recommendations we make.

    The other thing that, again, is not generational, but is a content thing is that we have to remind people to share stuff, we have to ask people for word of mouth, relying on it alone, without that encouragement is really, it’s not a winning strategy.

    Right? You’ve got to be able to ask people say, Hey, if you liked this, please tell a friend about it.

    If you liked this newsletter, you liked this YouTube video.

    Please tell a friend about tell two friends about it.

    And not a lot of marketers do that.

    Well.

    A lot of marketers forget to do it entirely myself included.

    My My hand is my hand is up in that batch of people forget to ask for word of mouth.

    But if you don’t ask you don’t receive.

    So that would be my perspective that is not generation or age it is channel and we’ve got to make things easier to spread.

    We’ve got to make things easier for word of mouth to happen.

    We don’t do that right now.

    So really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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