Category: Thought Leadership

  • You Ask, I Answer: Great Thought Leadership?

    You Ask, I Answer: Great Thought Leadership?

    Jerry asks, “What makes for really good thought leadership?”

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    In today’s episode Jerry asks, What makes for really good thought leadership? This is a very good question.

    What is thought leadership? Right? It is got all sorts of definitions and names and stuff like that the expression I use is that my thinking, if I’m a thought leader, my thinking changes how you lead, right, I’m offering something that changes, how you see the world, how you understand the world, so that you can be a better leader.

    Because a thought leader is not necessarily someone who’s seen a leader, leader, right, someone who is doing interesting research or building new works, or models or frameworks, they may not be heading up a fortune 500 company, but the leaders of fortune 500 companies when they ingest that knowledge can be better leaders.

    So to me, what makes for good thought leadership is also what makes for good peer reviewed research.

    And that is advancement.

    I’ll tell you what doesn’t make for good thought leadership, the same old thing that we’ve been getting for decades, right? How many times have you heard you should be customer centric? Right? You should you should focus on the customer.

    No kidding.

    That’s not exactly news, right? We should be value oriented, we should strive to improve our services constantly.

    We should raise our quality.

    That’s not leadership.

    That’s not thought leadership that doesn’t advance anything.

    And if that’s news to you, and you’re the leader of an organization.

    Yeah, that should not be news.

    Right? Keep your customers happy should not be news.

    If you read research papers, on places like archive, or PubMed, or any of the places, I spent a lot of time and research papers in the last three years because of COVID, reading all the the clinical research because they don’t trust what they see in the media.

    And particularly for the ones that are sponsored by or published by NIH, the National Institute of Health, there’s always this great section in the abstract that says, what is known and what is added by this research, right? How does this particular research advance the understanding of the disease, the virus, the outcomes and things like that.

    And I think that explanation, that little snippet in these peer reviewed, abstracts, is the essence of thought leadership.

    Right? If we are talking about SEO, email marketing, and you publish some thought leadership, we certainly don’t need another thought leader position on writing engaging emails, right? Unless you have something in that, in that thought leadership piece in that paper that advances the field as a whole, that changes the knowledge we’re operating with that moves things ahead, right? Write more compelling emails, right, write more valuable emails, that’s not news.

    That doesn’t add any value.

    Writing in the first person with a casual tone of voice has a 16% greater conversion rate than not for B2B emails in the concrete industry.

    That’s useful, that’s usable, that advances our understanding, if you do some research, and you create new knowledge, net new knowledge, that is thought leadership, right, because that is something you bring to the table that did not exist before.

    It’s the same as your thesis.

    If you’ve been a graduate student or a doctoral student, your thesis should be advancing the research of the knowledge of the field as a whole, even if the only advances are this much.

    That’s still this much more than we know now as a civilization that we did not know before.

    That’s an improvement.

    And so, for Jerry’s question, what makes really good thought leadership is something that advances the field as a whole.

    If you publish something that you claim as thought leadership or worship PR agency claims as thought leadership, and it doesn’t advance the field.

    It’s not leadership, right? Because you’re basically just kind of recycling you retreading old ground, right? Leaders, by definition kind of have to lead they got to be out in front.

    And if you’re not out in front with new stuff, you’re not leading, which means that what you’re publishing is not thought leadership.

    It’s thought followership, you’re following safe, noncontroversial Do not inspiring, non helpful content.

    So make content that advances the field as a whole.

    What’s new that was not known before.

    That’s thought leadership.

    Thanks for the question.

    Talk to you soon.

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  • Mind Readings: Beware Blanket Trust of Thought Leaders

    Mind Readings: Beware Blanket Trust of Thought Leaders

    Be careful when extending trust to thought leaders outside of their domain of expertise. Make sure they have earned that trust by being transparent about their sources and citing them when appropriate.

    Mind Readings: Beware Blanket Trust of Thought Leaders

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    In today’s episode, let’s talk a little bit about trust.

    At this year’s MarketingProfs B2B forum, Ashley Faus from Atlassian was giving a talk about influencers and subject matter experts and thought leadership and how to know whether you’re a thought leader or not.

    And one of the characteristics of leadership that she talked about was authority.

    Authority in the sense of how much do people look to you as an authority? versus how much do people press you for your credibility, your credentials, and one of the things she said was, you are a thought leader, when people cite you, as a source.

    You are not a thought leader, when people require you to cite your sources, which I thought was a very handy compact, a for ism, a good way to benchmark your authority when people cite you.

    And they don’t require you to cite where you got your information.

    Yeah, you’re, you’re in origination of of ideas and origination of thought you are a thought leader.

    And I liked that definition a whole lot.

    However, there is a risk, there’s a danger to this.

    And that danger is the halo effect.

    What I mean by that is just because somebody trusts you, and sees you as an authority in one area, does not necessarily mean that the the same level of trust should be extended to you, across multiple domains of expertise, unless you actually have that domain expertise.

    And the same thing is true.

    For anyone else we consider a thought leader, we should be looking at those thought leaders and saying, What is your domain of expertise.

    And if if it’s true that that person is a thought leader, then when that person ventures out of their domain expertise, we should be cautious about extending them the same level of trust.

    Now there are aspects to a person’s personality, trustworthiness, honesty, openness, transparency, those probably are going across domains.

    So if a person is trustworthy and honest, and transparent in one domain, probably they’re going to be in other domains.

    So from a, I guess you’d call it a soft skills perspective that would carry over, but the domain expertise itself might not.

    Let me give you a very practical example, in January of 2020, I posted my first update about what the time was called NCOP 2019, which we later know, and now known as COVID-19.

    And I started saying, Hey, I think this is a thing I cited the authorities that I was reading because to me, I’m a marketer, I’m a data guy.

    I’m a scientist, but I’m not an epidemiologist.

    I am not a virologist, I am not an MD, I have no medical experience to speak of.

    And so from my own perspective, I’m like, Okay, I’m gonna cite my sources for everything a because misinformation and disinformation is so bad on the internet.

    And this was keep in mind the beginning of the pandemic.

    And be because I held myself accountable to say, I’m not going to to, you know, randomly and wildly speculate about things that are not my area of expertise.

    So I started publishing these updates and eventually turn them into a newsletter.

    And what was interesting was, a lot of people started citing me.

    And that makes me real nervous because I am not the authority.

    Like I said, I’m not a virologist, I did not go to medical school.

    In fact, I washed out of pre med in college, I didn’t make it through organic chemistry to I’m not qualified as a medical practitioner to be speaking about things without somebody saying, Hey, what are your sources on that? I can talk about it.

    But I should be and still do to this day, cite my sources, I still publish my pandemic newsletter, the newsletter that I wish would go away because I wish the pandemic would go away, but it hasn’t.

    So here we are.

    And every single newsletter, I still cite my sources because I know myself, but I am not an authority.

    Even if other people think I am, I know that I do not have the academic credentials.

    I do not have the lived experience, to be able to offer any kind of legitimate medical advice to anybody.

    I can tell you what I’m doing.

    And I can give you suggestions based on other people I’ve read, but I’m going to cite those as much as possible.

    And so this idea of trust is one that, again, we have to be careful with someone who is good at something in one domain outside of their domain, we should probably still be thinking about asking them for citations.

    Right? If you if you’re looking at my martial arts teacher, I would not hesitate to to cite him.

    Blanket citation.

    For his expertise.

    I don’t even have to ask him where he gets his information and stuff.

    I know, you know, he’s I know his teacher and his teacher.

    He’s an authority on the martial arts and our martial art and specific for something like fitness advice, little bit less.

    So for something like medical advice, I shouldn’t be asking that person for citations.

    Like, what legitimate paper? Did you read that in? What peer reviewed paper? Did you read that piece of advice and because there’s a lot of stuff that requires expertise that a person may not have.

    So the takeaway here is, give thought to who you consider to be a thought leader.

    in whatever field or industry you’re in, give thought to how much trust you extend to that person, how much you see them and his authority, how much you cite them.

    And then think about how much trust if any, you extend to that person outside of their domain of expertise, and whether that trust is earned.

    Again, that person may have multiple domains of expertise, in which case is totally safe to trust them in in their areas where they are experts.

    Otherwise, every now and again, it might not hurt to ask, where did you get that information from? Is there something that I can take a look at is just source material.

    I’m in the midst of as I record this, dealing with some hate speech on Twitter.

    And, again, I’m citing myself, I’m not going to make a claim to say here’s the raw data that I pulled because even though even in this area, even though data is my my area of expertise, hate speech and stuff is not.

    So I’m still going to cite my sources.

    And if you are creating content with the intent of being a thought leader, make sure that you hold yourself accountable, hold yourself accountable, know where you are an expert, know where you are not.

    And take the initiative proactively to cite your sources.

    For any situation where you think you might not have earned enough trust or where you want to build trust over time, by showing that yeah, you are dealing with accredited, validated, reviewed sources.

    That’s today’s thoughts.

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  • #FridayFeeling: May the Force Be With You

    #FridayFeeling_ May the Force Be With You

    A special, purely-fun episode of #FridayFeeling in which we consider both the Jedi and Sith Codes, why both are wrong, and how it applies to modern-day life. May the Force be with you always, friends.

    Disclaimer/Disclosure: All things Star Wars™ are the copyright of Lucasfilm and Disney.

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    May the force be with you. It is may 4 is just our worst day and for this Friday feeling thought we’d do something completely different. Not business related not marketing analytics related at all just a little bit of fun. The

    the day is Star Wars Day May 4. It is

    so called because of the expression for the movies, may the force be with you. And it’s interesting when you think about the two factions around this this mythical energy. There’s the Jedi perspective in the Sith perspective, the Jedi code even says there is no emotion, there’s peace. There’s no ignorance. There is knowledge. There’s no passion. There was serenity. There’s no chaos. There’s harmony. There’s no death. There is the force that’s one perspective.

    And then the other perspective, the code of the Sith is.

    is a lie. There’s only passion. The passion I gained strength strength I gain power the power I gain victory through victory I break my chains. The fourth she’ll set me free I think it’s kind of a neat way of looking at this idea of this this uncontrollable but usable channel energy and depending on which

    pre or post Disney universe in Star Wars you believe in

    a whole bunch of different perspectives on this. But what’s

    interesting and fun about it is that

    neither perspective is right now that perspective is the correct one in the sense that they’re both very one sided there is the jet I perspective, which is abolishing a lot of what you individuality is waiting yourself of emotion and passion, so you can gain peace and serenity getting rid of disorder and K.

    us to create harmony

    and of course we know life isn’t like that life is filled with emotions and passions and sometimes there’s a good thing. Sometimes those are bad things.

    There’s chaos, but without chaos. You can’t have luck.

    And so there’s that perspective and on both side of the Sith,

    which is typically associate with the dark side the negative you have same passions strength and power and victory all these things that you can

    you can see the beta lead can lead to dark ends to to improper ends someone’s striving for strength and power and victory is probably going to make some choices that might not be ethically great

    seeking power for its own ends or seeking to win. Just to win are not necessarily great outcomes. But again, these are two perspectives that are having.

    of a whole and so if you go one or the other. You don’t see that point where they intersect where you have to have both emotion and logic we have to have peace and passion, you have to have chaos and order we have to have serenity and

    and and a little bit of, you know,

    energy,

    this is a really good analogy for where we are today as a society

    as a world because

    we thanks to things like technology and social media have become very, very

    contained in our own little bubbles. Look, this is the this is the right perspective, this is the wrong perspective and there’s not a lot of that. Okay, well, where they where do they intersect. Where’s the balance between them.

    Think about how people approach religion and politics and even business, even in marketing, there

    are in the debates that we have about what’s the appropriate method for doing X or Y,

    we take very, very polar perspectives. I was having a conversation just yesterday with someone who is saying

    in their industry. They’ve been doing more handling of crises than ever before. Because so much people are just digging into their position

    in the old pre Disney

    acquisition of the Star Wars franchise. The new Jedi Order under Luke Skywalker tried to find that balance to say, neither perspective is right both perspectives ended up with

    massive losses of life and really bad things happening. And so if you can find that middle ground between the two. That’s.

    The Way to go, and it’s kind of telling actually that in the post acquisition

    the powers that be at Disney corporate have have reverted that entire universe to this those two black and white perspectives. You either one or the other. There’s no middle ground

    kind of interesting because it speaks about sort of the ethos of the times of the society in which we’re doing stuff

    when you look at what’s happening and all the other things like superhero movies stuff they are

    they are tending back towards that, you know, one perspective or the other and no middle ground

    the takeaway from this is

    whether it’s Star Wars and Marvel or DC or Washington DC, or the church or temple or mosque.

    There is no one right answer to anything.

    Because the idea that there is a right answer is in itself, kind of a delusion, there are better and worse outcomes. There are outcomes to do more harm than good outcomes to do more good than harm but there’s always going to be a mix you

    it’s very difficult to get pure anything anyone who’s done any work in chemistry knows that it’s extremely hard to get a pure anything.

    And if we can figure out in our cells in our businesses and our marketing in our work with machines that

    that balance and that mix of things is what will really yield sustainable long term results will be much better off so on Star Wars Day. Hope you enjoy it. Regardless of which faction you associate with more

    and may the force be with you.


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  • You Ask, I Answer: Advice for a Starting Marketer

    You Ask, I Answer_ Advice for a Starting Marketer
    Chris Strub asked, “What is the best advice for a marketer just starting out in 2018?”

    Build the three Ps that we so often talk about at Trust Insights:

    • People: your personal network of people smarter and better than you as well as your peers
    • Process: your golden cookbook of strategies, tactics, and methods of execution that work well
    • Platform: your focus of study, your deep investment in yourself that you want to be known for

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    Today, Chris Strub submits a video question by us guy answer. What’s up, Chris Penn. My name is Chris job and I’m reaching out to you and everybody else on that list today to ask for your best piece of advice for a young aspiring Digital Marketer in 2000 and a team. All right, Chris. Great question. What should a person starting out in marketing focus on or do in order to be successful.

    You have to invest in in the three P’s we call them three piece here a Trust Insights. That’s people process and platform and so let’s dig into each one of these.

    The people are you are folks that you need to invest in to grow your network. So this is the networking portion and there’s three types of people you need to invest in their seniors peers in juniors, seniors are your mentors your the people you look up to.

    Experts you follow and things like that and you need to build those connections. Now it’s obviously it would be extremely difficult to build a meaningful connection with somebody who is, you know, at the top of their field. It can happen. And if it does happen by all means take advantage of it. But, you know, probably your first mentor is not going to be Avinash Kaushik your first mentors, but not going to be Neil de gras Tyson right but you look for people who are a little further along than you look for people who are publishing good stuff and connect with them. The second group of people are your peers. These are the people who are getting started out the same time as you and these are folks in the workforce. These folks when you are in school, particularly for college and graduate students. This is the literal cohort that you graduate with keep in touch with those connections for anybody who you actually enjoy spending time with keep in touch with those folks, because you don’t know where those folks are going to land in 510 1520

    years from now.

    And then the third of the.

    juniors and these are the folks who come after you. And again, this has nothing to do with chronological age that has to do with experience. So if you’re at a company, anybody who starts, you know, at the company. The day after you is technically your junior and you know even if you’re 2223 years old.

    If you’ve been other company for a year you have more institutional knowledge and the person walking in the door, you know,

    the next day or the next month. The next year. And as time goes by,

    you have an obligation to pass along what you’ve learned help to share to train and to grow the expertise of those who are junior to you because again

    enlightened self interest you don’t know where those people are going to land, you may work with somebody and and

    you know change companies and things like that and you could end up reporting to that person of it’s entirely possible so investing your seniors up.

    And your juniors those the people. Second is process, you need to build your own book of best practices.

    I like to call it a golden cookbook, and I have one minus a couple hundred slides long. It’s a PowerPoint of things that

    I’ve learned or I’ve created over the years frameworks ideas charts,

    all these things that are concepts together. So there’s some very familiar Business School ones you know SWAT and Porter’s five forces and all the stuff you expects to be in there and then stuff I’ve created on my own like people process platform, the intersections of those things like that

    you need to golden cookbook because it helps you document what you’re learning as you’re learning it it’s like you know your notebook your textbook for you for your life, in your career.

    Later on in your career once it’s been filled out a little bit, it becomes a proof of your experience if your knowledge.

    of what you’ve learned in the beginning, you’re going to have a lot of stuff from other people in there. So you’ll believe you know charts from Accenture frameworks from Deloitte

    I concepts and and and visualizations from McKinsey and all the big consulting shops and big publishing companies and things like that. That’s okay. That’s okay to have that and then there because you want those reminders also of hey this is what I’ve learned a long way. But that golden cookbook will become essential, especially if you ever find yourself in a position of having to demonstrate your expertise, like in sales or sales enablement role. It’s going to be one of the best things you can put together to disable Hughes everything I can do and people have like that’s a lot of stuff you clearly have done this for a while.

    The third is platform.

    If you want to succeed and digital marketing. If you want to have a functioning career of any kind, you need to invest in yourself, you need to invest in your personal platform. By that I mean

    being.

    Really good at something being the best at something investing the time and the effort to develop an expertise that a second to none.

    You may not necessarily become the best, but you’ll be in the top 1% you want to be known for something so pick something and get really good at it and especially if you’re young you got time. All right. You’ve got decades. So if you take a year every year for five years to test out something I’m like, Well, what do I want to really be good at. Let’s try machine like wow, that sucks

    too good for a year and if you invest and training yourself in and for a year and at the end of that year, you still ate it then you know switch it up but pick something and become the best at it because we are now in a world where mediocre is unnecessary. We don’t need to settle for good enough. We don’t need to sell the four okay

    thanks to the internet, thanks to the.

    digitization and democratization of access to people and technology businesses can afford to say I want the best only because they can get a distributed workforce. They can outsource overseas. So you have to invest in your platform. What is your thing. What do you want to be known for when somebody mentions your name.

    What is the thing that goes along with it

    and be ready to pivot

    15 years ago or 10 years ago. Yeah, almost 15 years ago. Wow.

    I was one of the first podcast has podcasting was something that I was known for I created a conference with my friend Chris Brogan called pod camp, way back in the day. And that was the thing for a few years

    and then then the world changed and so I pivoted and became the sort of the Google Analytics person that was my thing. It’s still is my thing because Google Analytics is still a thing

    and then.

    About four or five years ago and pivoted again and start at when I started noticing machine learning was good to become a thing. So, machine learning within marketing and that’s going to be a thing until it’s not so be be ready to pivot, but there’s a thread that kind of runs through them all, which is using technology and applying it to marketing’s marketing technology

    that’s my thing that I invest in myself and when I say invest in yourself. I don’t mean spend money. I mean, you know, you’re investing in yourself when you’re spending an hour a day outside of work on your own time

    training yourself. There are a million and a half YouTube videos on just about every topic, there’s free ebooks, you know, there’s an companies are desperate to attract attention giving away everything and and that’s okay.

    But there’s so much training so much opportunity. Google has free courses HubSpot has free courses at Twitter has free courses. Everybody’s got free courses that you can take.

    You have to invest the time. That’s where people fall down and they expect somebody else to do it for them were handed to them doesn’t work like that. You have to invest the time in yourself. And if you do, you will see incredible career growth because

    99% of everyone else are not investing the time they take the minimum amount of training required by their employer. They stopped learning wants to get out of school

    and they just kind of muddle along them and kind of learn stuff as they pick it up in their career know if you want to be the best you invest in yourself you train as though you were going to be the best.

    And again, you’re going to surpass 99% of people who are not willing to make that investment so great question. Chris invest in yourself. People process platform and that’s what you need to do to be successful. Digital Marketer this year and for every of your career going forward. Thanks for watching. Please subscribe to the newsletter and to the YouTube channel. I’ll talk to you soon.


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  • Measuring the “soft stuff” like thought leadership

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    “Fall seven times, stand up eight.” – Japanese proverb

    I’m a measurement junkie. I’m not as proficient as Mr. Penn mind you, but I have the equivalent of a master’s degree in statistics and love to dive into difficult measurement problems.

    Here’s the very present problem I faced. I just published a book called KNOWN, which lays out a path to building and unleashing your personal brand in the digital age.

    The problem is devilish because being “known” is not the same as being famous. It’s not about having millions of fans and red carpet appearances. It’s probably relatively easy measuring “famous” by your number of appearances on “Entertainment Tonight.” But being known is more subtle – it’s about approaching your web presence with an intent that creates the proper authority, reputation, and audience to realize your potential and achieve your goals … whatever they might be.

    To determine if anybody can become known, I interviewed about 100 people who are “known” in their field. I talked to people who are regarded as thought leaders in education, real estate, retail, construction, business, medicine, finance, fashion, music, art, and many more. I talked to people in Africa, Asia, Brazil, Canada, Australia, America, Mexico, Europe, and the Middle East.

    And this is what I found. Every person, in every field, in every country did exactly the same four things to become known:

    • They found a distinctive sustainable interest (which is different from a “passion”).
    • They found an un-contested space to publish content.
    • The created excellent content consistently, for years.
    • They worked tirelessly to nurture an audience big enough to matter.

    So with that diversity of interviews resulting in this unanimous perspective, I’m confident I’m on to something. There is indeed a path to become known. And that’s what the book is about.

    So if you follow this path, how do you know it’s working? This is a critical question because through my research I discovered that many people quit too soon. On average, it took the people in my book 2.5 years of hard work to get to the point where they were achieving their goals. I can understand how it could be disheartening to work for a year, or even two, and wonder if you should quit. It takes persistence and grit to make it.

    How do you know whether a stumble along the way is a life lesson, or a sign from the universe that you’re heading in the wrong direction entirely?

    When it comes to quantifying a soft concept like “thought leadership,” or personal branding momentum, there are four measures that can help you determine whether you’re trending up or down.

    1. The first is a measure of awareness. Awareness can be quantified through easy measurements like social media mentions, “likes,” site traffic, and the number of times your content is being shared. Are people more aware of you this month compared to last month? This year compared to last year? A growth in awareness is a leading indicator of positive personal results over time.

    2. The second measure is inquiries. If your reputation as a thought leader is being established, you would expect to see this show up as signs of interest in your professional work. Record inquiries of any kind – organizations who want you to speak, contribute content, provide advice, answer a question, offer a recommendation – all signs that your reputation is improving. Tallying these inquiries month by month provides an effective indicator of momentum.

    3. Money is an excellent sign of the mounting value of your skill. People will only give you money if they’re receiving value, so even if revenue isn’t your end goal, money is a great source of honest feedback that your skills are appreciated.

    4. The fourth measure should be connected to your personal goals. Why do you want to become known? Is it to achieve recognition? Share your ideas more broadly? Reach some professional milestone? Establish more flexibility in your worklife? Only you can determine if you’re reaching these intrinsic goals and if your work is providing personal reward.

    The simplest way to think about measurement is, are you seeing indicators of continuous progress? As long as you’re moving forward and enjoying the work, keep on going because it may take years for your brand to finally tip.

    Here’s an example of how you can apply these measures in the real world.

    My friend John Espirian is an experienced technical writer based in Wales, and through our social media connections, I learned that he was re-evaluating his career path. He had dreams of being recognized as an authority in his industry, he wanted to write a book, and he hoped to be invited to speak at conferences one day.

    In other words, John needed to become known.

    He believed that building a profound presence on the web would create a network that could help him realize his goals and lead to new business opportunities. So he started following the four-step process I describe in my book.

    The first step in measuring progress is to define success. He wanted to be regarded as a thought leader in the U.K. and we decided that progress needed to be measured through indicators of awareness, opportunity, and ultimately, financial benefits.

    John was smart enough to recognize it might take several years of brand-building before those benefits began to be accrue, and he committed to start.

    Following the steps in the book and realigning his focus had an immediate impact on John’s life and business. He had been slogging through his career but was energized now that he had a plan instead of just an idea.

    Within the first three months, his awareness measures had increased by 500 percent. There were bright indicators of momentum through awareness and inquiries:

    • He was featured in a video interview.
    • His Twitter following had increased ten-fold.
    • He was invited to become involved in a UK professional organization.
    • He was interviewed on an industry podcast.
    • He received an invitation to appear on a second podcast.
    • He was invited to create a training course with a trusted colleague.
    • He started working with many new influencers who were helping him build his audience.
    • He was featured in a blog post about Twitter success strategies.
    • He was offered seven new freelance job opportunities.
    • He received a request to create guest posts at a prestigious industry site.
    • He got his first invitation to speak on a conference panel.
    • Subscriptions to his new newsletter stood at 85, an impressive start for a beginning blogger in a crowded niche!

    These are all powerful indicators that John is heading in the right direction. He’s becoming known! By recording these types of accomplishments month by month, he recognizes progress, which is encouragement to keep going.

    Not all these accomplishments are quantitative (something you can count, like money, a sales lead, or a new contract), but that’s OK. You need to embrace qualitative measures such as awareness and new connections as legitimate indicators of progress.

    And as long as you have momentum, you must persevere.

    Will John reach his goals? It may take years to know for sure because ultimately success requires vicious consistency, patience, and grit. But by measuring along the way, he can more accurately assess his trajectory.

    Mark Schaefer is the executive director of Schaefer Marketing Solutions and has written six books including KNOWN. There is also a workbook that accompanies KNOWN with the exercises and bonus content. Both are available through Amazon.


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