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  • Mind Readings: 2007 Podcast Marketing Video Reaction Part 4/4

    Mind Readings: 2007 Podcast Marketing Video Reaction Part 4/4

    In today’s episode, I revisit my very first podcast marketing talk from 2007! You’ll learn what’s changed and what strategies stand the test of time. Plus, you’ll get insider tips on improving your presentation skills. Ready to cringe and learn along with me?

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    Christopher Penn 0:00

    Welcome back.

    This is part four, the fourth and final part in our series of the podcast marketing talk that I gave way back in 2007 PodCamp.

    Toronto.

    So let’s go ahead and finish up this talk and then some, some thoughts about it.

    Drill down to any level and see what’s going on.

    The last thing I want to talk about, remember, we were talking at Connections show the financially podcast webpage here.

    We were talking about calls to action, these things here, right.

    Now, how do you know what’s what’s most effective? What should you be promoting, there’s a service that I found that I thought was really nice, cold, crazy IQ, which is a stupid name for really good service.

    What it does is it will make your heat map to show where on your site people are pointing.

    So what catches their popular whenever much more popular RSS feeds.

    Worthless waste of time.

    This is from before start promoting it to MySpace popular.

    One thing it’s not in here, because this is a snapshot from a while ago, is if you have an mp3 link right inside your blog post that’s very, very hot, because people say Oh, this is post click on it.

    And this is when I flashplayer is on my site, people click on that all the time, popular blog posts,

    like at the top here randomly.

    The nice thing is the entire header is linked back to the homepage.

    So they always get back to the homepage, about your stuff.

    So make sure this is a great way to see what’s effective on your website.

    And what is not is certainly installing like a snippet of code.

    Like Google Analytics, exactly like if you use WordPress or any other blogging software, you can put it in the footer file, and it’ll it’ll run automatically what’s called, that’s called CrazyEgg.

    Like pull that slide back up here is a paid service if you want lots and lots of things, but if you’re just going to do a quick hit, they will let you do a 14 day free trial.

    So make your website optimized as much as possible, then let it run until your trial runs out.

    Then if you’re really easily signed with a different email address.

    You don’t have to do that anymore.

    Nowadays, if you use Microsoft clarity, it is totally free.

    Just pull it up real quick here.

    So clarity, you go in, you sign up for your free account, you install, you get your copy, paste your tracking code.

    And then within Clara don’t think I have any projects set up on this particular account.

    You get heat maps, you get us a statistics, you get a top level statistics about who you know this page has this made people bouncing off of it.

    It’s a and you get recordings to get anonymize recordings, so you can watch the person’s cursor on screen moving around, you know, struggling to use your website.

    So it is definitely the preferred tool these days.

    Again, because it’s it’s totally free.

    Don’t do that hold them pretending you’re a deaf person, you just install it.

    Why is it free? Well, because Microsoft realized that Google Analytics gets an enormous amount of data for free from almost every website out there because their software is free.

    And they use that with Google ads.

    Microsoft wanted to have something that would give them equivalent types of data.

    So they built clarity, and they’re giving that away for free to focus as a way to get that data for presumably the Bing advertising system.

    Well.

    Takeaway evangelists count the most, no matter what you’re doing.

    In terms of your efforts, podcasting, having people who are working for you, to promote your stuff is key because it reduces your workload and keeps your sanity intact.

    I actually disagree with that.

    Now, evangelist is still important.

    For sure evangelists are still important but if you don’t have the loyal base to begin with, focusing in on evangelist while not keeping your happy people happy is kind of putting the cart before the horse.

    If you can make people deliriously happy with your products and services, you can make people deliriously happy with your show.

    They will share it by nature they will they will do that for you.

    So it’s important to keep an eye on evangelist but really focus on making the very best content you possibly can and making your audience deliriously happy.

    And then evangelists kind of takes care of itself.

    Most of the tools that except for the friend adder are free or Leo free trials that you committed to making sure easy to promote as many different ways as possible.

    And give it a try.

    He was the reason advertising.

    Any questions.

    Okay, so that was me from 2007 I think it was to that so let’s 2007 Or just right after that.

    Many things with podcast marketing has stayed the same, right? You still got to have good content.

    You still Gotta have intelligent calls to action, you still got to have an easy to remember, product, right? Your podcast is your product, if you are selling entertainment, you’re selling education, you are selling content to people, and they are paying with their attention.

    That’s why we call it paying attention because you are selling something and people have to pay for it with their time, their energy and their efforts.

    So if your show is not resonating as much as you would like, if your show is not growing as fast as you would like, one of the things to ask yourself is, am I am I doing enough to get people to pay me in their attention for what it is that I’m selling.

    A lot of companies companies especially are really bad at podcast, and because they’re so focused on selling something that like a product or service or something’s revenue generating.

    And they’re missing the point that before you can sell something for currency, you have to sell something for attention.

    And if people don’t pay attention, they will not pay currency.

    If, if people do not pay attention, they will not pay with money.

    And that’s a lesson that a lot of corporate podcasts have learned the hard way, as evidenced by the fact that you go into Apple podcasts.

    There are so many companies and so many company podcasts that have like eight episodes.

    And that’s it.

    And they you know, they pod faded, they stopped after eight episodes years ago.

    And you’re like, Well, this is the podcast graveyard, because they did not have that content that people actually wanted.

    It doesn’t take a year and a day to get someone to pay attention to your show if your show is something people actually want.

    It does take time to ramp up.

    What has changed the most since 2007.

    For podcast marketing, really just the tools, what tools you use and what practices are no longer allowed doing things like automating social media accounts, that’s no longer allowed in a variety of ways, using things like Google Analytics to measure your show website.

    still relevant, still valid using any kind of, of analytics would be good.

    podcast analytics itself has not changed much for the average podcast now for shows that have budget to spend there, obviously are incredible measurement programs that are statistically valid, that are that are rich, user surveys, listener surveys, care of market stuff, there’s research firms, like sounds profitable, that do exactly that.

    There are companies like Edison Research that do exactly that.

    And they are reassuringly expensive.

    For the small to midsize show where you don’t have a lot of budget, you’re still looking at things like downloads.

    That’s one of the reasons why your community is so important, because your community will give you that data, particularly if you have an accompanying email newsletter, which every show should have after a show goes out there should be an email of some kind that tells people to shows up, out so you can get that listenership.

    And then you can run diagnostics, you can run demographic data on that email list.

    There are services like Clearbit, or Hubspot, that can take an email list and augment it and tell you demographics and firma graphics and things about your audience.

    So one of the things you want to do is try to capture that information from the audience get ask them to help you out with it.

    Other things like running listener surveys, you can do that without spending a dime, you can set up a Google form or a form on your website and ask people questions like, How did you hear about our show? was the reason you keep listening to it? what three things would you improve about our show? If you had a magic wand? All those your standard CX questions you should be asking of your listeners on a regular basis.

    One of the things that I do in my almost timely newsletter is I have a survey and that survey runs every app every issue and there’s it’s just a one click Do you like it? Thumbs up? Thumbs down? Did you like this issue or not? That is that feedback is vital to making your podcast successful.

    And finally, no substitute for the for the truth, your shows got to be worth listening to.

    It’s got to sound good enough that people it doesn’t hurt people’s ears.

    It doesn’t have to you don’t need a million dollars of gear to do it just has to not be offensive.

    And then you’ve got to have content that people want that people desperately want that people would pay for.

    One of the simplest and best questions that you can ask an audience is to let them know you’re probably not going to do anytime soon.

    But if you were to pay for my show, how much would you pay for it? You know, 1 a month a10 a month? 100 Ozma? Nothing.

    If the vast majority of your audience says nothing.

    Your show is not that good.

    There’s there’s no no sugarcoating.

    It shows us not as good if no one it’d be willing to pay for it.

    If someone was be paying, willing to pay even $1.

    For listening to your show, then you know that you’re you’re sharing value.

    Finally, let’s talk about the presentation.

    So a couple of things have really changed since since way back then.

    I do still talk reasonably fast.

    But my friend and informal in frequent speaking coach Tamsin Webster, who’s listened to my talks has said, I just go full, I used to just go full blast all the time.

    Now, I try to vary the cadence to give people time to keep up to take a pause, and people’s brains catch up.

    And that’s really important.

    It’s okay, if you speak fast, as long as you don’t speak fast continuously.

    It’s okay to speak fast.

    As long as you don’t speak fast continuously, who give people a chance to take a break mentally, in your speech cadence, that helps.

    Another thing that I don’t do nearly as much there’s, I used to pace a lot on stage I found that did two things.

    One, It distracted me.

    And two, it distracted the audience.

    So now what I do most of the time, and you can see this in a lot of my videos is I pick my spot and I stay there, that has the side benefit of making it very easy to fill myself, I can set up a camera in the back of the room and I know where on stage I’m going to be I will give myself maybe like two feet to which to be in so I can turn and face different parts of the audience.

    But I will typically just route myself on one spot, then I can reference things on stage and know where they are.

    And then later on, when I’m processing the video, it’s easier.

    So you will see in some of the talks I give now, I will route myself in one spot.

    And I will lean toward I will refer to even though there’s projections and screens on both sides who I will refer to one side specifically.

    And what I’m doing is I know I have the camera position so that I am stage usually stage left in the camera.

    And there’s a big open space on my right hand side the the audience left.

    And that’s where I’ll put an overlay of the slides, I will add and post production later because the slides never come look come out looking good in a video.

    So I’ll shoot the video just myself.

    And I will know that if I am going to stand in one spot and look to the right, when I added it in the video later on, it’s going to look much better.

    So that’s why I don’t pace anymore.

    Because I was pacing.

    I couldn’t do that.

    I kind of move the video all the time.

    Where’s the slides gonna go with this? This this time it doesn’t work.

    I also changed presentation structure quite a bit.

    There are any number of formats you can use.

    There’s still the show that that format from Michael Port, there is fine, the red thread from Tamsin Webster.

    And then what I use most is the Trust Insights framework, the five p framework purpose people process platform and performance.

    Why are we talking about this thing? What is this thing? People process platform? And how do we know it’s working performance? That for a talk structure seems to work pretty well.

    For me, it’s sort of why, what how,

    as opposed to just having just a lot of information that doesn’t have a coherent narrative.

    So this whole talk was podcast marketing.

    And it gave a lot of a tactic things for people to try.

    But it doesn’t have a framework that says, here’s the end goal, the end goal is to get more listeners to your podcast, from that end goal.

    Why do we want that because you want more business, you want a personal brand, whatever.

    And then you can dig into the peaceable process platform, but you’ve got to have that structure.

    One of the things that you can do and you should do with any talk that you’re going to give or plan to give is find a framework that makes sense to you write it out, you know, write a couple of paragraphs of what the framework is why, what how, six W’s for red thread, you name it, feed it to the generative AI system of your choice, Gemini ChatGPT, whatever and say, Here’s my talk, outline or slides or whatever.

    Here’s the framework that I want to use, how well does my talk align with this framework? And how would you reorder it to make it more coherent to find that, that flow and pattern and logic and rhythm within the talk? Again, that’s something that not a lot of folks do.

    And it’s a way to very easily make any presentation, whether it’s inside a company, whether it’s in a PodCamp, whether it’s, you know, at a TED talk, it can make it so much better.

    There’s other frameworks, you know, this talk like Ted and all those other sort of TED Talk frameworks.

    Again, you can take those outlines or those concepts, write a prompt in generative AI and then have AI rearrange your talk to make it more coherence to make it flow better to make it easy for people to understand.

    And critically, to tell you what to leave out.

    Say like, Yeah, this isn’t relevant.

    If this is your purpose.

    Then this slides gotta go.

    So I’ve changed a lot in the 17 years since This, this old talk of me.

    And hope.

    And podcast marketing has changed a lot.

    And yet it hasn’t, right? The Timeless Principles of having content people want, make it easy to share, making it easy to find.

    That hasn’t changed.

    And I think that’s the final most important lesson here is the basics don’t change, right? The basics of marketing, don’t change the technologies do the how we do it, the execution that changes all the time, but the strategy doesn’t really change.

    And so if you find that you’re not getting good results, with your strategy, make sure your strategy is sound that look at the tactics, what are you doing, and then look at how you’re doing those things.

    And somewhere along the way, you’re going to find the disconnect about the things that are working the things that are not.

    I hope that you’ve enjoyed this this reaction video series.

    It has been a lot of fun to go through, and it’s been a blast in the past.

    So thanks for tuning in.

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  • Mind Readings: 2007 Podcast Marketing Video Reaction Part 3/4

    Mind Readings: 2007 Podcast Marketing Video Reaction Part 3/4

    In today’s episode, I react to my super old podcast marketing presentation. You’ll see how crazy things were back in the MySpace era and discover the timeless techniques that are even more effective today. Whether you’re a newbie or a seasoned pro, there’s something for you in this video.

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    Christopher Penn 0:00

    Welcome back.

    This is part three of my podcast marketing talk from PodCamp.

    Toronto 2007 are looking back at this talk 17 years later to see what’s changed what’s the same, why my hair is the color it is now.

    But let’s go ahead and dig right back in where we left off.

    If any of you ever used iTunes, and played a, an mp3 in there, there’s things called ID three tags.

    We’ll try this again, Id three tags are what is in this little info box here.

    Right, so you have name field and stuff like that.

    And you can specify all these things I pull up, let’s see if we have

    this is where if someone’s going to share this mp3 file, just as it is, this all is data goes with it.

    So it makes sure that you have your email address, your dial in number, your instant messenger address, all this goes in the ID three tags, tag and make sure that if you’ve got a tagline for your show, it goes in there.

    Yes, another benefit a lot of podcast tags is if you do them properly, you get picked up and things like Last fm and the Google Talk music plug in.

    If you don’t put these in, those things don’t pick you up.

    So all those things are things that automatically create profiles and branding and extra tracking things.

    You can go to those things, enter a URL, and it’s one more place that people can find you in some of these other services.

    So the upshot is, there’s there’s lots of good reasons to do this.

    And more than you might be aware of,

    are you editing your ID three.

    So Id three tags, they do still exist, they are still part of mp3 files.

    But again, most of the time, your services should just do this automatically.

    So if we pop back over here to Libsyn, this is an episode recent episode of In-Ear Insights.

    I specify the episode title, I put the description and stuff like that make those nice clickable links.

    And then down at the bottom now I just say Update ID three tags when I published the show, and it does it for me.

    So you don’t have to manually do this anymore.

    You haven’t had to manually do it three tags in a really long time.

    That said, a lot of people back then were not doing them.

    And you heard Jamuna talking there that very much is the case where yeah, if you don’t do those things, you you do miss out on that extra metadata.

    But these days, just let the software do it for you.

    Before you upload, yes, I am.

    Yes, I am.

    If you have a show logo, this is a great place to put it like it shows up as the album mark when you’re playing on an iPod.

    So it’s good chance for you to establish some more branding.

    You might say, I’m a podcaster.

    If I’m not a music podcast, you’re like, Jay, what in the world will you do with the lyrics tab.

    That’s a great place to put all your show notes.

    So that somebody who takes this file and looks into it, they have all this stuff.

    It’s it’s a self contained show, it is easy for them to find stuff to read about what’s going on.

    This also because it’s metadata gets indexed and things so make sure it is just as high quality as the stuff you post on your blog.

    So let’s talk about some tools.

    Let’s talk about five tools that I like to use.

    Number one is a friend added from MySpace, I am a huge proponent of marketing on MySpace because well there’s 150 million people on there, somebody’s gonna listen to my show.

    trick is finding them.

    You can’t just add people randomly and you can but you’ll get very, very low returns.

    So if we go into

    into my space here

    the funny thing about friend adder is brand adder was a piece of software that basically just mass added people as friends to your MySpace profile.

    And these days that’s kind of frowned upon these days.

    That’s that’s something that people would prefer that you not do.

    Fix this looks really awful.

    skipass little green circle in the upper left of your browser.

    Thank you.

    Do you think I know that being technology person looking, make sure your MySpace profile is robust, that’s got your show.

    And it has got your same calls to action that are on your blog and your web page.

    If you have such things, make sure you have a flash player, this one’s by feed player.com They will give it to you for free and allows people to have mp3 right on the page.

    If you have videos on YouTube, this is a great place to put them.

    When it comes to looking for friends though on MySpace that gets a little bit trickier.

    So this piece of software I really like her friend had her.com and what it does is it lets you do demographic searches on MySpace for you know what kinds of people you’re interested in.

    If there’s a band that you like you want and you want to recruit their friends, you can go after them that way.

    If there’s a person on MySpace who is say maybe a competitor if you’re in doing business podcast recruit all their friends and add them as friends to you.

    Needless to say, these types of software do not work anymore.

    In fact, most social networks are really good at detecting them, and then permanently banning your account.

    There are a bunch of companies that do offer packages like this, particularly on LinkedIn, there’s one called length script, LinkedIn scraper links helper or something along those lines, I can tell you with absolute certainty, they will get you banned.

    I set up a burner profile probably about six months ago and deployed one of them just because I wanted to see if anything had changed.

    And it ran for about an hour, it managed to send out about 250 connection requests.

    And then 30 minutes later, that whole account was permanently banned.

    So in general, this process and this habit of going out and and using automation on social media profiles, not really effective, in some cases, in most cases, a violation of the terms of service, in some cases, possibly illegal depending on on where you live, and stuff.

    So this is good for a laugh now.

    It was allowed back then.

    But no, not anymore.

    This is a very handy way of automating the process, you can request up to 400 people a day on MySpace to be added as friends.

    I do not advocate sending messages like sending messages or leaving comments without someone being a friend first.

    Because to me, that’s kind of going over the line into spam friend requests this kind of gray list in my book.

    Yes, sir.

    Also, this whole deck is on the wiki for this.

    Yeah, it’s it’s on the wiki.

    So again, if you feel like it’s going by too fast, it probably is.

    That’s I apologize, but it is on the wiki.

    Okay, so how do you find people to add on to my space? This is a very good question, because you want to find people who are going to be interactive with your show.

    Previously, I used to do just sort of general demographic search, like I’m looking for men and women between the ages of 18 and 21, in the United States college age, but most of them were not interested in what I had to say.

    I ended up with a lot of bands, 29,000 friends, but very few of them were valuable.

    So there’s two services Technorati, which you may or may not use as a blog search tool, and Google blog search.

    So let’s go.

    If you’re doing a podcast and you have a topic matter, you need to think about what terms what words that you use in your vertical that nobody else uses in polite conversation, like, for example, in financial aid, for those of you who are Canadian, American Financial Aid is for is required, because our government does not subsidize higher education to any great degree, which is unfortunate.

    So let’s look for the word FAFSA, the Free Application for Federal Student Aid in America.

    This is not a term that you would use casually, this is not a term that you were hanging out with your friends drinking Saturday night.

    You don’t use this word you only use this for in relation to financial aid, which means it is ideal for in my market.

    Tech, nobody will give you people who are blogging using that term.

    You can see that and here’s one look on MySpace blog.

    MySpace URL.

    Neither Technorati nor Google blog search exist anymore.

    So again, this is kind of a fun historical artifact.

    However, using intelligent show titles, using intelligent descriptions using intelligent jargon within your content, that’s still works.

    In fact, that works better today than it ever has, because of the artificial intelligence, generative AI in particular, when you invokes very specific terms that are jargon in your field, those tools will have a much better understanding what context you’re talking about.

    And as a result will yield better results.

    If you’re writing content about financial aid, and you want a reference the FAFSA, yeah, it’ll perform much better.

    So you, even though conceptually, we don’t do this stuff anymore, because these these blog directories don’t exist anymore.

    You absolutely should still be doing this with tools like Yoast, or rankmath.

    Within your, your blog, work, because Google syntax is similar across all the sites.

    However, there’s one flaw with Google blog search that the main engine doesn’t have.

    They don’t give you the URL on the page.

    Right? Right.

    We’re not what the ones are friend IDs.

    If you want to be really, really evil about it, take the entire page and find all the text that has the thread ID.

    You can skip this process, obviously.

    And it gives you a list of all different ideas, play the whole list in to your friend data, and you’re all set.

    In the process of using search results to scrape identities out of search listings and feed them into automation tool, very, very not allowed anymore.

    There are any number of consumer privacy laws now that again back then did not exist now very much exist.

    Don’t do this.

    Just upsa Don’t sell it, but we actually will keep giving it away.

    So.

    So that is Oh, yeah, I know how to use this.

    So that’s Technorati and Google blog search.

    It’s a great way to pull down the people on MySpace who are interested in you.

    Now that with Facebook, Facebook is a different game entirely Facebook, see MySpace is nice because MySpace is indexed by Google like crazy.

    So you can leave comments on people’s pages as a tool for that, by the way, and if you were talking relisting to Julian’s inbound links talk, leaving comments on MySpace pages was great way to build lots and lots of inbound links are very quickly with the queue.

    It’s so funny because we talked about commenting strategy these days on social media, particularly on LinkedIn, but also on Instagram.

    Not for building inbound links, because most if not all, social networks no longer count as as valuable links for search engine optimization purposes.

    But for building thought leadership for building your network on social media, that strategy of just going around and commenting on things still works today.

    Arguably, if you’re as long as you’re doing it as a human, it works better.

    I did a piece not too long ago with Ashley fosse and Hannah Sabo about their commenting strategy on LinkedIn and building relationships with people just do commenting, and it works really, really, really well as long as you do.

    And you’re not using one of those AI bots, that leaves exactly the same stuff commented.

    Anyway, that’s topic for another time.

    But yeah, leaving comments as a way to catch people’s attention.

    Highly effective still, years later, whatever your choice.

    Facebook is different, because everything is behind the login screen, so Google can’t see it.

    What it is good for is finding people who are already your friends, if you use a service, like LinkedIn, you can export all your contacts out, but just the email addresses, go to Facebook, they import my contacts, and now suddenly, anyone who on LinkedIn is your friend, now they can become friends on Facebook, they can then help from LinkedIn stopped doing that.

    A few years after this, I believe they closed that door, I want to say in the early 2010s.

    Now when you export your LinkedIn profile, you will only get a very, very few email addresses you people can still choose to have their LinkedIn email address exported in their contacts, but you have to opt into that rather than opt out of it.

    And so if you export your LinkedIn contacts today, you’ll get like five email addresses out of like 1000 people.

    It’s not worth doing proselytizing, evangelize things like events, I think it’s just the number one way to promote on Facebook.

    If you’re talking about basic website search engine optimization program I really like it’s called Web CEO.

    And what web CEO does is you pointed at a PC only, by the way, so if you’re on a Mac, you have to you have to run something virtually, you pointed at any web page, it’s free for up to three websites.

    And it’ll tell you what you need to do to make your site rank better in major search engines, Google, Yahoo, MSN, this is Julian’s page for in over your head dotnet.

    You can see he doesn’t have a title tag and in the header of the page with those terms in over your head of the hip hop podcast, it’s not as close to the title as it should be.

    description tag is missing.

    That gives you a recipe a whole laundry list of how to improve your website how to make it rank better.

    This is good.

    This is basic stuff that doesn’t take a whole lot of work.

    And the rewards pay off because chances are if you are in a competitive space, just by doing these things alone, you will increase your convert you will increase your competitive edge

    by about 90%.

    So I think web SEO still exists.

    It is definitely not the premier program for SEO anymore these days.

    It’s sort of a triumvirate, right, so the SEMrush is H refs and SpyFu.

    And well, I guess quad and mas are sort of the four big SEO tools that most people are familiar with the concept is exactly the same, which is here’s your content.

    Here’s your website.

    Let’s tune it as best as we can to attract attention.

    But those specifics on that specific software package.

    I haven’t I can’t think I’d have to go Google and see if it still exists or not.

    Google Analytics if you don’t use that already, I won’t done with it because it’s a pain in the butt to get running.

    But it is just website statistics on crack you can what a surprise in 2024 It’s still a pain in the butt to get set up even more so now than it ever used to be.

    It’s been four years since Universal Analytics was retired which didn’t even exist back then.

    Back then it was 2007 would still would have basically been urgent analytics just with the Google Analytics skin on it.

    The other tool bunch of their Crazy Egg is user interface testing software to do things like heat maps and things today.

    The best tool for that is Microsoft clarity.

    It is free.

    You install any website and you can do things like heat maps and click tracking and understand the user experience on your website.

    Drill down that is the end of part three of our podcast marketing talk.

    We’re gonna pick up with the last and final part tomorrow.

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  • Mind Readings: 2007 Podcast Marketing Video Reaction Part 2/4

    Mind Readings: 2007 Podcast Marketing Video Reaction Part 2/4

    In today’s episode, I’m reacting to my own podcast marketing presentation from 17 years ago! You’ll see what strategies still work today (and which ones don’t). If you want to improve your podcast marketing game and get a few laughs along the way, this video is a must-watch.

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    Welcome back to part two of our our podcast marketing react video from the from 2007.

    This is an ongoing series, looking at a very old talk that I did from 2007 to PodCamp.

    Toronto.

    Be sure to check out the previous episode.

    So let’s, let’s go right back into it.

    Again, that goes back to evangelism and social bookmarking services.

    How many people here use delicious? Okay, StumbleUpon.

    Okay, good.

    StumbleUpon is delicious of the two that we’re going to focus on talking about.

    Those, those services used to be huge dig and delicious, way back in the day, they’re gone, they’re gone.

    So once you’ve got a visitor, you’ve used various tools to get a visitor to your site, you have to convert them to a listener, there are a number of ways to do that.

    The easiest way is to give them as many choices as possible within reason to listen to your show.

    You need to have multiple channels and deliveries, if you just have an RSS feed.

    If I tell my mom, no digging is my mom, hey, my show has got an RSS feed, she will look at me blankly and offer me another cookie.

    That’s just not helpful.

    So things like iTunes, things like a flash player built right into your home page.

    Let me see if I can tap out of here without breaking the presentation.

    Flash Player.

    Oh, man, that part though, is still true in that the delivery of your show is important.

    And one of the things you should be looking for these days is just getting using a good service a service that will distribute your show to as many places as possible.

    The show that I use most of all is one called Libsyn.

    This is this is the the the In-Ear Insights podcast, you can see we have all the destinations in here, Apple podcasts, poskitt, Spotify, I heart, radio, radio, public Deezer, Amazon music, and then as pub as destinations become available, you can add them in and you can tune them up.

    So Samsung boomplay, etc, etc.

    All of these things are things that the service handles automatically.

    So I don’t have to sit here and manually submit my show.

    In the old days, that was exactly what I had to do.

    And we all had through this stuff by hand to each destination.

    So make sure that you’re using a good podcast distribution service on the audio side.

    And then on the video side, YouTube for sure.

    Think about doing 62nd video snippets of your show because you’re doing video right? On Tiktok on Instagram, on YouTube as shorts.

    And there again, there are services Opus clips is one that’s very popular, where you give it the full video file and it will produce the 30 or 62nd clips for you automatically, you may need to tweak it.

    But it’s one way of creating those extra pieces of content that you can then distribute everywhere.

    It wouldn’t be invented for another year after this talk.

    But my friend Todd Devran came up with what we call the content atomization strategy.

    Take your piece of content, video, for example, carve it up and distribute it in as many places as you possibly can.

    The old Twitter tweet it was still relevant.

    What you want have multiple calls to action, easy calls to action and things that people are going to recognize.

    So for example, we have iTunes, we have when amp this went up is a streaming and media mp3 player for the PC 55 million users of it podcasting support, and it’s terrible, absolutely terrible.

    But if you can work your way into doing a one click thing with it, it works really well.

    RSS, make sure that people have access to your MySpace page.

    Orpheus is one of most popular file sharing programs online.

    And back then, just the old days, we had to go somewhere, we had to walk uphill both ways still.

    But back then we had to manually hand code our RSS feeds was not fun these days.

    Again, using any service WordPress, your WordPress blog, you link it to an mp3 file, it will automatically generate the RSS feed.

    So you don’t need to do that.

    But it’s good to have that feed available.

    It is good to have links to the major social networking sites that if you’ve got active pages on them back in that ancient days of podcasting, MySpace was a a viable channel MySpace was to social media then would Facebook is to social media.

    Now, it’s still not the largest number of users, so it’s definitely a place to go.

    I have also highly amused the fact that my desktop there, this is 2007 some of those programs still exists keynote BB Edit, which is the software editor, text editor nice just to have to everything and that duck is Cyberduck.

    That is an FTP client still exists today.

    So even though this is 17 years later, it’s still there’s still some recognizable friends there among the lowest among college kids because colleges and universities cannot block it.

    It also has podcasting support built into it, which is very nice.

    So make sure you have lots and lots of different ways for people to take out To listen to your show, if I go to the other side of the screen here that did not work.

    Library.

    Make sure you have lots of different ways for people to listen to a show.

    That’s how you convert them to a listener, you make it so easy make it one click.

    If it takes more than one click for someone to listen to your show, they’re not going to listen to it make things like FeedBlitz.

    If you use Feedburner, there are things with your RSS feed your shows feed can be turned into an email, this is surprisingly popular 30% of my audience gets my show by email

    I would guess putting the file inside a PDF, I don’t actually know.

    RSS feeds can incorporate PDF documents in them.

    So if you link up a PDF as immediate enclosure, it will show up in most podcast players, they will not be able to play it.

    So you will see an apple podcasts as a downloadable file.

    But like Spotify won’t work.

    So your best bet is putting that on your own own website.

    It is also funny that back then, I clearly did not know how to use multiple windows in on a computer.

    That by the way, is a a Macintosh with this, the PowerBook g4.

    So this predates the MacBook, that’s all this is not right yet.

    But now

    I can put video inside of PDFs, but I don’t know if they’re self contained or if they need to be referenced somewhere up to try want to get home.

    Oh, they were asking you to put audio files inside of a PDF.

    Why would you do that? That’s why would you do that weird turning listeners into subscribers is your next step.

    So once you get somebody to listen to the show, number one thing, of course is going to be content that’s kind of a given.

    Make sure you have calls to action inside of your show because these are mp3 files for the most part, which means that people will share them, that’s what you want.

    But if there’s no way to, for them to know what what is it listen to or how to get to it.

    They’ll listen to them.

    And that was really cool.

    And not necessarily find you again.

    So make sure nobody shares mp3 files.

    I’m not sure anyone shared mp3 files back then.

    But nobody does that today, what people do share links, they share links to a Spotify list, they share links to an Apple Music list.

    So make sure that you are on those services.

    And it is it is a good idea in the show a call to action that is still a good idea.

    You shouldn’t be telling people within your show.

    Please share this episode with your with your friends, please share it on your social media profiles, please email this show to people.

    And again, this is where having that audible domain name is comes in handy can say hey, tell your friends to go to trust insights.ai/ti podcast or tell your friends to go to Marketing over coffee.com Or you say in your show somewhere.

    Hey, you’ve been listening to the financial aid podcast get more at financially podcast.com.

    And they’ll know what to do after that.

    Again, making things one click as easy as possible.

    How many people here use the podcast will iTunes? Okay, good? How many people have a one click Subscribe on your button on a website.

    If you have a podcast? Where does it go? Somewhere? Tell me where that clip goes, what happens?

    Just pops open? Well, first of all, it loads up iTunes, if you don’t have iTunes already installed, and it prompts you to download it.

    Then it goes to the iTunes directory and right to your page where the listener can actually preview all the episodes.

    And also subscribe, okay,

    you just described was a an HTTP link to the well the URL is Phobos dot something on Apple, that’s sometimes good.

    Sometimes good because that uses Apple’s directory which has been known to lose podcast to be significantly delayed.

    There’s another way of doing it.

    It’s called ITPC of like HTTP but ITPC instead, AI TPCC and then the URL to your feed that will pop it directly into iTunes, make it open up that way I just had.

    That’s payment that has changed substantially since those days.

    The way it works today, if you want to share an episode, just go to your apple podcast player or Spotify or whatever.

    And just click on the little three button thing there and to say, share this episode.

    And you will you’ll have the ability to drop it to just send the link to texted somebody way less trouble than it used to be.

    This is this is the early days when Yeah, this stuff was not very smooth or very, very well thought out by the tech companies.

    I had my key cast and just trying to figure out what the differences the podcast was an older version of the ITBS handle either one works, either one was fine.

    Now one thing you can do to make it even easier is if you send somebody an ITP CityLink an email.

    It just shows up as text If you send people an HTTP link in your, in their email, when you’re marketing a show, when it’s in your email signature, that all hyperlinks you’ve probably seen this in Gmail, and outlook and things that creates a link for you automatically just out of text.

    The way you do this is what’s called a 301 redirect.

    I should probably put it I’ll put a link up on the wiki rather than actually delve into the syntax of how to do that here.

    Because well, we haven’t got a lot of time.

    Again, remember, when you’re converting people, from listeners to subscribers, it all needs to be a channel needs to be word of mouth, things that people can remember.

    Yeah, I mean, having 301 redirects is a good idea still.

    So for example, if you go to ChristopherSPenn.com, slash newsletter, it will route you to the right place, I would strongly suggest that people do that, especially with their social media channels.

    So if you have a podcast like marketing over coffee.com, having marketing over coffee.com/youtube, or slash, Facebook, slash whatever, and then having those things, redirect the user to the appropriate place is a good idea for a couple of reasons.

    One, you can get better statistics by having those those links be trackable.

    If you’re using a software like rankmath, for example, on your WordPress blog, it will keep track of the stats for you can use it with a link shortener if you’ve got your own link shortener.

    And critically, if you need to redirect that traffic again, later, it is under your control.

    You don’t have a gazillion links all over the web that you need to go change, you can go and change.

    You know, let’s say you open up a threads account today, you want to take marketing over coffee.com/twitter.

    And you just want to silently repoint, that to threads, having that redirect on your control, much easier to do that than going to all the places where people linked up the, you know, your twitter.com/marketing over coffee address and trying to get those change.

    So redirects in general, are something that should be always under your control, and you should be using them to make it easier to future proof your show easily.

    remembering things easily when you turn a subscriber into an evangelist.

    If your shows URL, your shows name is not easy for people to remember and spit back out to others.

    It’s they won’t refer it as easily they’ll say yeah, go to listening dash to dash my dash show.com.

    No one’s going to remember that.

    But listen to the M Show.

    Listen to NuCalm wrote all these things, make it easy.

    Make your sharing your website super easy.

    Give tools that have things like little Chiclets, say, hey, share my show, give them the HTML to copy and paste.

    And we’ll textbox a good example of this.

    And see if we can make this work here.

    There’s a website here called bum rush the charts.

    Take it to the to the screen.

    Now we got to worry about that later.

    They’re on there as a little text.

    Yeah, pretty obviously, these days, any of the visuals like that stuff clicking out, they just go into separate slides for a ease of presentation.

    That’s much better off as a set of slides.

    But you know, podcasts were very informal.

    They were they were very much for people to share knowledge without doing it in a polished professional way.

    And that you you obviously can’t if you want to.

    But they were really meant for for people who want to share something, but would not be invited to speak at a different conference.

    And so that was really the impetus.

    But definitely watching this and watching me, you know, click around things does make me cringe a little bit like Yeah, that should have just been a slide.

    But when people can really highlight some HTML, copy and paste onto the MySpace page or whatever, make it so easy for them.

    Give people a reason to promote your stuff.

    A great example is podsafe bands, I have a show about financial aid, which, among other things sounds like the most boring thing in the world.

    And most of the time it is.

    But I do play a lot of podsafe music from different bands.

    And by promoting bands by promoting their work to your audience.

    In return more times than not, they will promote your work back, they will link back to you, which is a good source of inbound links.

    So if you’re doing a show, Daily Show or weekly show, you can have all these other people linking to you make sure you leave comments on their MySpace page on the band’s MySpace page so their fans can find your show.

    I do this a lot with almost

    too much effort.

    Make your show self contained.

    The quid pro quo probably shouldn’t have named it that but it’s it’s an accurate reflection of reality.

    These days we call them collabs.

    Right? When you see audiences promote, you know, you see shows cross promoting other shows their collabs and that advice is still valid.

    YouTubers do that a ton.

    Instagram folks do that ton podcasters not as much, which has always been a bit of a mystery as to why podcast just did not do that when everyone else does that too.

    So I’m not sure why.

    But yeah, I mean, that’s still a perfectly valid tactic and one that I would encourage you to do with your show, find ways to loop in other people who will help you promote your show, do guest interviews.

    You know, one of the hallmarks of marketing over coffee is by half the shows are with guests.

    The guests are usually promoting the latest book or they’re there or whatever.

    Well guess what they’re gonna do? Yeah, if you if this episode is about them and their book, of course, they’re going to reshare it with their, their community.

    So you want to leverage those relationships as much as possible to get your show in front of as many people as you can.

    And when they’re on tour, they book their new talk, their new company, whatever, and they’re trying to promote like crazy, that is the best time to get them.

    One of the things that has always been a skillet a superpower of my partner, John Wall, on on marketing over coffee is his ability to just land on top tier authors.

    You know, people like Seth Godin, and David Meerman, Scott and and many, many others, because he has relationships with publishers because he got in early with a lot of these folks before they were mega names and now when they’re on tour, you can get people to pretty much show up for anything and especially when the rest of the time they wouldn’t give you the time of day, but when they’re promoting the book, they will show up.

    All right, that’s gonna wrap it up for part two.

    Let’s let’s take a break here for today.

    Thanks for tuning in, and come back next time for part three.

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  • Mind Readings: 2007 Podcast Marketing Video Reaction Part 1/4

    Mind Readings: 2007 Podcast Marketing Video Reaction Part 1/4

    In today’s episode, I react to a presentation I gave 17 years ago! You’ll gain insights on how to improve your own presentation skills and pick up tips on effective podcast marketing strategies. If you find yourself cringing at old content or simply want to refine your communication skills, this video is for you. Tune in for laughs and valuable lessons!

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    Christopher Penn 0:00

    All right, this week, we’re gonna do something a little bit different, we’re going to be reacting to an old, old old video of mine from 2007.

    So this is from PodCamp, Toronto, the first PodCamp, Toronto, Ryerson University 17 years ago, this is a talk I did about podcast marketing.

    Now you’re going to note, a couple of things.

    One, there’s, I can make the video bigger, but it is such poor resolution, because of the camera limitations and technology at the time that there really is no point.

    So we’re gonna have the video setup like this.

    If, if you don’t like videos being start and stopped all the time, I’ll put a link to the original.

    If you want to watch the original all the way through the first on your own, you’re more than welcome to do so if you don’t like that stuttering, but I am gonna be stopping frequently to offer commentary on younger me.

    And the things that younger me said that might be right or wrong.

    And also talking a bit about presentation style.

    So this is gonna be both the subject matter which is podcast marketing, as well as what has changed for me in terms of being able to be a better public speaker, in the 17 years, since this video has was first film, so there is no attribution on the PodCamp Toronto video of the their YouTube channel as to who shot this, I’m gonna guess it was probably either like Jamuna or Lisa Barnes, or one of the folks who were the the PodCamp.

    Toronto Oh, geez.

    But whoever did thank you for preserving this wonderful little bit of history.

    Let’s go ahead and give a listen.

    But with improved tools, my name is Christopher Penn, I’m the host of the financially podcast Chief Technology Officer, the student loan network, I drink a lot of coffee.

    If I go too fast, this coffee downstairs still drink coffee, we’ll be fine.

    Let’s get started.

    So, right off the bat.

    One of the things that I’ve learned in the time since this video was my cadence of presentation is was very just linear and direct.

    Just a lot of words coming at you and no break for you to pause and go, Okay, give me a moment to thank God let’s let’s move on, you will notice the my speech is very flat, there’s not a lot of variance either way, there’s not a lot of inflection.

    That has since changed quite a bit.

    That joke, I still use that joke occasionally.

    But I try to use it less and less because to me, it now reflects the fact that I didn’t know much about speaking delivery at the time about how to how to communicate effectively.

    Also, these slides of these slides give me headaches, because well, let’s just keep going.

    I’ll talk a bit more about that in a second.

    With some basics.

    We’re talking about optimizing.

    Yeah.

    We’re gonna talk about some basics of optimizing and working marketing for your show.

    So that you can do to have more audience and now it doesn’t have to be, you know, 1000s and 1000s of people that you could have 100 people in your audience as long as 99 of your business podcast falls nine, nine out of 100 a bite and because when you if you have 10,000 people and none of them are doing anything, which is like what you get from Digg, that’s not as helpful.

    So that is still true.

    That is that goes back to a 1999 essay from Kevin Kelley, called 1000 fans is all you need 1000 true fans is all you need.

    If you have 1000 fans who are avid fans will buy anything that you publish that you create your set, you are set.

    Honestly, even if B2B market, if you have 100 100 people who will follow you from company to company and just buy whatever your company sells, you are all set.

    So that is still true.

    So strategy and tactics strategy as to why you do things, tactics and how you do things.

    We’re going to talk a little bit about something that’s changed a lot since then.

    So strategy is still the why why are you doing something tactics are the what are you going to do? And then the execution is the how.

    And then there’s the measurement.

    So I abbreviate that as STEM strategy tactics, execution measurement, why are we doing the thing? What is the thing that we’re doing? How are we going to do that thing? And then how do we measure the success but even that has been supplanted in many ways.

    By now.

    We use a Trust Insights, the five p framework purpose, people process, platform and performance.

    So the strategy tactics, execution and measurement are still there, right purpose, process, platform and performance.

    But we also have to include people who’s doing the thing and that’s not reflected here.

    Side note, this, this slide format, was all the rage in 2005 2006.

    This was what this has been the default presentation format that Apple’s keynote sort of rolled out with and all the nerds really liked this because it’s what Steve Jobs used in all of his presentations.

    Looking back, this is not a great format for slides.

    This is is too many words on the slides.

    And there doesn’t have to be one of the things that I learned a few years later from books like presentations then is that words on slides interfere with people’s ability to listen, because our language brain, our word brain in here, can only process one language stream at a time.

    So you can either listen to what someone’s saying, or you can read what’s on screen, but it’s hard to do both.

    Now.

    That’s not too bad.

    Here, there’s, there’s not that many words, but this would have been better with some kind of imagery, where you can look at this and go, Okay, I can anchor the image because our brains can multitask imagery, but not words, strategy and a lot about tactics.

    I’m working on four assumptions here, a you have a will have a podcast that may be you want more listeners than just your mom said, This is not a how to podcast session that was the best left for other people.

    And the no matter what marketing tricks you use, if your content sucks, this will not help you’ll get people and you’ll lose them just as fast, make sure that what you’re doing is good.

    When that is still true, 17 years later, that’s still true.

    If you make bad content, you can be the best marketer in the world.

    And that content will not perform or it will perform briefly to attract people.

    And then those turn around and leave because they didn’t get any value of that.

    So that that is still all pretty solid.

    I have four goals in decreasing order of importance.

    The most important goal when it comes to marketing, your podcast is to get evangelists.

    These are people who love your show so much.

    They tell their friends, they tell it people they hang flyers, they browse their audiences event podcasters as well.

    They are your unpaid marketing team, which is ideal.

    Below that you have subscribers, people who are actively listening to the show every day and want to hear it, they want to hear it so much.

    They willingly allow you to give it to them via an RSS feed.

    You have listeners where people who stopped by your website and stuff are long enough to at least give a show listener part of the lesson.

    And below that the lowest quality but the easiest to get our visitors get them in the opposite order.

    This is a little different these days, there’s a little more nuance.

    This was reflective of a time when a bunch of us thought podcasting was was this great big huge thing in 2007 and it was the it was in its infancy.

    When you look at podcasting today.

    You know, you look at the Joe Rogan’s the world itself with hundreds of millions of listeners while people on YouTube have got podcasts on there with millions of listeners.

    Back then 1000 listeners was awesome.

    Conceptually, this, I guess, podcasting funnel is still kind of correct.

    I would say your your you have casual engaged and then dedicated are sort of your three tiers of audience.

    But your your operations funnel, it depends on your podcast, right? It depends on your show.

    If your show is in support of a company, then you’ll have visitors you will have casual listeners, you will have subscribers, you will have buyers, right.

    So you have you have people who will buy things from you, you will have loyal members of your community because your podcast should have a community in addition to just being able to passively listen.

    And then of course you do have your evangelists.

    If you think about it, it’s very similar to the standard customer journey these days.

    So your standard customer journey is awareness, consideration, evaluation, purchase, ownership, loyalty, and evangelism.

    And that’s still largely true for a lot of podcasts.

    Are people even aware that your show exists? Have they? Have they checked it out? Are they engaged with it? They listened to at least an episode? Have they subscribed? Are they now a member of your community and you can reliably reach them? Are they loyal? Are they on your email list? Are they in your your Slack group or your Discord server or whatever the your community retention mechanism is? And then the evangelists can can you get people to promote your show for you.

    If you are like a an influencer, or a personal brand or personality, you might consolidate with consideration and evaluation phases.

    And you might spend a lot more time and effort on the community phases the ownership and loyalty phase of your podcast.

    But that’s sort of where how this has evolved now is to that much broader sort of seven step customer journey.

    The opposite order is exactly like it is here visitors turn the listeners turn into subscribers.

    Ideally, those subscribers become customers of your business, podcast, and Evangelists on top of that, so let’s talk about visitors how to get visitors what you can do with your show.

    If you are familiar with a discipline called neuro linguistic programming, there is sort of three models of how people learn.

    Generally speaking, there are people who are visually oriented, that people who are auditorily oriented and there are people who are kinesthetically oriented, so people

    Oh, oh, young me.

    That division.

    Just like right brain left brain has largely been disproven by modern neuroscience.

    Our brains are capable of doing all those things and we may have it A preference, but very few people other than people who are substantially neurodiverse only really process on one channel.

    So your show should include modalities for all the different ways people can experience it, right.

    So you should have a YouTube version of your show that people can watch, you have the standard audio verse people can listen to, you should have the written transcript if people want to read the show transcript of the notes themselves.

    But generally speaking, that framework doesn’t, doesn’t really apply much anymore, but need to see it’s different people who need to hear it to learn it, and people who need to do it in order to learn it.

    podcasting, at least audio podcasting is a channel discipline, which means that people are inherently interested in listening to what you have to say, when it comes to things like naming your show name, your domain name, it has to be something that’s auditorily.

    Understandable.

    For example, we all know of certain photo sharing service Flickr, it’s missing an E in his name.

    So when you tell somebody, Hey, go to flickr.com, they will go to the wrong place.

    Because they’re doing it by ear.

    If I tell somebody to go to accident hash.com Or in over your head.net, you can probably go there and get there with a reasonable degree of success.

    If I tell you to go to the am show.com We’ll get there with a reasonable view of success.

    There’s a service out there no degas’s good service called Blueberry without the ease.

    And at some point, you end up saying, Okay, here’s how you spell the name of the show.

    And if you were listening to Michelle’s presentation this morning, your 32nd elevator pitch.

    If 15 of those 30 seconds are spent spelling, the name your show, you’re missing the opportunity.

    So make sure that’s true.

    And in fact, that’s more true today than ever before, thanks to you.

    Thanks to these little things, right, these smart speakers and our smartphones, all these things have voice interfaces now.

    And so if you are driving in the car, which is one of the places where people listen to podcasts a lot, and you say, hey device, find me the binary, the In-Ear Insights podcast from Trust Insights, or go to trust insights.ai Or go to Marketing over coffee.com, the device should be able to sound that out and go there with a reasonable amount of of ease.

    If you’ve got a crazy name with dots and dashes, and you spelled the domain name out and things Yeah, it’s hard for humans to do that.

    It’s hard for machines to do that.

    You want your digital properties to be easily heard.

    Because most people, if you look at the data from companies like sounds profitable, and Edison Research, most people listen to podcasts in a variety ways at the gym, on their commute, on the car and the train at their desk is background noise in the kitchen while they’re cooking.

    One of the things that you should do is determine when people are listening to your podcast to an audience survey and say like how do you listen to the show that will give you some some ideas about the naming of the show.

    And you might even want to think about renaming the show if it’s really, really hard to understand from an auditory perspective.

    Remember, people are in many cases willingly sticking you in their ears.

    So you want to make things as easy as possible from a hearing perspective.

    And of course, as you know, just general, make sure your shows are accessible.

    Make sure that you are adding closed captions to everything.

    For two reasons.

    One, it helps people who are hearing impaired and two, it feeds search engines and AI models as to the words or phrases you want to be associated with.

    Let’s keep going here.

    sure that you are your your show and all your marketing materials are easy to hear, easy to spread by word of mouth.

    Second tactic is gonna be search engine optimization.

    Julian talked a lot about that.

    In his session, we’re going to briefly touch on some of the tools, podcast search engine optimization, same thing.

    Social networking sites, mice.

    Oh, podcast search engine optimization has, that used to be a real thing when there are a relatively small number of directories nowadays, you know, this huge directories like Spotify and Apple, Apple podcasts and Google podcasts and all these companies.

    The chances of people finding your show these days is lower in there unless it specifically involves your name.

    So you want to make sure that you are building your personal brand, so that someone searches for say, you know, Christopher Penn podcast In-Ear Insights should show up marketing over coffee should show up the almost timely newsletter should show up.

    Because my name would be in the description of those of those shows.

    You want to do the same thing with with yourself but acknowledge that most of your efforts are going to be on owned properties like your website at optimizing for podcast directories.

    Not super fruitful and very difficult to do these days.

    Let’s face Facebook, how many people here are using MySpace? Good how many people I have a podcast and are you marketing on MySpace? Okay, smaller number Facebook anyone? Show hands? Okay, Those two are the big ones.

    We’ll talk about that a little bit about referrals very valuable.

    Social media Yeah, is still a discovery mechanism for podcasts.

    But you know what one of the biggest discovery mechanisms for podcasts is YouTube.

    YouTube is one of the biggest YouTube is the second largest search engine in the world.

    People go to YouTube for entertainment content for education content and other people search for like, how do I fix this thing and my house is huge.

    So if your show is not on YouTube, it’s kind of a miss, you want to make sure that they’re even if it’s an audio only show, there are tools like headliner or Camtasia that can help you do you know, take your audio, put a visualization in place, turn it to a video file, and you can then load it up to YouTube.

    I can’t emphasize enough how important it is that you have a video version of your show on YouTube so people can find it.

    That is the end of part one.

    We’re going to take a break and in the next episode, we’re going to resume with part two.

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  • Mind Readings: Cheap Lighting

    Mind Readings: Cheap Lighting

    In today’s episode, we talked about the misconception that cheap lighting equals cheap content. While it may be true that there is a certain minimum level of quality that indicates you have invested at least a little something, it’s not much when it comes to lighting. With a few thrift store lamps and some experimentation, you can achieve a professional and expensive look with inexpensive lighting. A photon is a photon, as long as the light is safe, and techniques are more important than price.

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    In today’s episode, let’s talk about a misconception. I saw an ad on Instagram not too long ago from a company that makes very expensive lights, and it was positioned at us as marketers and content creators. The ad copy said “cheap lighting equals cheap content.” Let me just say, as a person who did lighting and sound design in theater, I can confidently say this is mostly false. Yes, there’s a certain minimum level of quality that indicates that you have invested at least a little something, but it’s not much when it comes to lighting. It really isn’t. Theaters, even the most professional ones – like the Ed Sullivan Theater – are held together largely with gaffer’s tape. Everything is MacGyvered together in ways that probably violate multiple safety regulations, such as OSHA regulations, fire codes, and a variety of other rules. When you look at some of the lighting setups that have happened in theaters, on movie sets, on TV sets, and any other entertainment production, and you see how everything is sort of taped together, you would not think “wow, that’s really expensive gear they’ve got there.” You would think “wow, that’s really taped together.” And yet, from the audience’s perspective, you’d never know, as long as we did our jobs right. Got a broken red fresnel? Cool, get out the roll of red plastic wrap, slap it over that for now. And the days before LED lighting, you had to hope that the light wasn’t on for too long because the filament could melt. You had to get the scene lit and done, and then take the smoking plastic wrap off the light. Got a broken lightbox? Tape it back together with some shims and gaffer’s tape and cardboard.

    I’m not saying that your desk or your home office lighting should be dangerous or unsafe, but I am 100% saying that you don’t need to spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on all these fancy lights to do basic videography. What you need to learn is how to do lighting properly. You can watch YouTube videos, read tutorials online, and you can light a home office video with a professional and expensive look with a couple of lamps from the thrift store and look like a pro, as long as you position the lights correctly. In my office here, I’ve got a major light here, which is a thing I picked up off the street. It’s got a single bulb in it. I’ve got a fill light here in the ceiling, and it does the job. That cost me nothing – the bulb was like 5. Now, that bulb is built into this, and it was like5. I could maybe install a sidelight here, but I actually like the way this looks. You don’t need a ton of stuff, you certainly don’t need to spend hundreds of dollars to get a good look. You just need that overhead key light at about a 45-degree angle in your head – so this is shining at a 45-degree angle. And a dimmer backlight to backlight the scene and make it look good. If you got some shadows that are unflattering, get the third light – may be a fill light or something, you know, even something as simple as this little ring light here. I put this far enough away to take away some of the shadows. Turn it down a little bit, and there’s a nice little fill, right? This is like a $2 widget, and you can see the difference in the shadows and things. So it’s just a question of experimentation with inexpensive lights.

    What most people do wrong with lighting is they have a key light right in their face. They do this with a ring light – “wow, that’s really bright.” But this doesn’t look good – this is like that hostage video look. So they have that, or they have just crazy amounts of light gels, washing everything out. And if I put this here, you can see it doesn’t do a great job. If you’ve got just lights everywhere coming in from every direction, it doesn’t look good. Get a couple of handheld lights or a lamp and just move stuff around and see how you look best.

    But understand that we’re not spending hundreds of dollars – that ad is just almost offensively misleading. Almost everything is more about what you do with the tools, not how expensive they are. Once you’ve got above broken or dangerous levels of quality, it’s all about the technique and not the price. So if you’re thinking about doing more video, if you’re going to do more video, learn how to do lighting with good technique and save your dollars for something where the quality really matters. A photon is a photon – as long as the light is safe, you can do a lot with it.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Welcome Back!

    You ASk I Answer Returns

    After a year’s hiatus, the show is back. Here’s a quick intro and what to expect. Thank you for tuning in!

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    Welcome back to You ask I answer.

    This is a video series I did for almost three years, really at the start of the the Trust Insights era of my career from 2018, really to the end of 2020.

    And we took a year off, because I wasn’t sure that was driving any value to the company.

    But when we did some more thorough data analysis later on, found that there may be some benefit for the company from a marketing perspective, to have brand awareness and things.

    And so from a business perspective, that would be one of the reasons why this is coming back.

    But the other is a piles of questions that have been piling up for a year.

    And I gotta be honest, something I don’t know what it was.

    But something made me fall out of love with blogging.

    In the last a year, I, for those who’ve been reading the blog for a while, you’ve likely seen gone from like five posts a day to four to three.

    And with everything going on in December of last year, it just fell by the wayside.

    And I didn’t miss it.

    Right.

    But I still want to create content.

    So I want to provide value to you.

    By generating answers to questions, right, by by answering questions to the best of my ability, in a format that works for rich media, which is video and audio, and text.

    And lets me answer stuff kind of the way we would answer things.

    If you and I were having a conversation, right? If we were sitting across from each other at a coffee shop or at a conference or an event.

    And you had a question, this would be the way that I would answer the question.

    I’m getting rid of sort of time constraints.

    So I used to have this target in mind, I got to answer this question in less than 10 minutes, or I can’t fit the video on LinkedIn, for example.

    Or I asked this question three minutes feels kind of short for an episode.

    And again, I’m realizing it doesn’t actually matter.

    Right? The answer is the answer.

    However, little or much time it takes.

    So that’s why you ask I answer is back.

    Again, trying to do different things I also want very selfishly, for my own professional development, want to play around more with tools like Adobe Premiere, and stuff that I’ve been paying for for two years with a Creative Cloud license, and not really getting the value out of it.

    Because I hadn’t made time to learn the tools.

    Over the last couple of months, the tail end of 2021.

    I had some video projects I was working on for some friends, non work related stuff.

    And I really enjoyed it.

    I was like, Oh, I can do this.

    I can do this.

    And I can do this.

    You saw the opening sequence here.

    What it looks like when I sit down and take the time to actually learn what the product could do.

    It’s pretty cool.

    So all these factors come together to bring You ask I answer back.

    If you’ve got questions, I’m going to put a link in the show notes that if you want me to answer them, I’m more than happy to and again, we’ll take as little or as much time as we need.

    But thank you for watching.

    Thank you for sticking with the channel and I look forward to answering your questions.

    Take care

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  • Friday Foodblogging Solicited Review: GrillGrates Replacement Grill Grates

    Friday Foodblogging Solicited Review: GrillGrates Replacement Grill Grates

    I had a chance recently to test out a new set of GrillGrates from GrillGrate.com. These are exactly what they sound like – replacement grill grates – and they’re one of the easiest upgrades I’ve made to my grill.

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    First, what are they? Unlike regular grates, GrillGrates are heavier pieces of metal that link together and form a coherent grilling surface on the grill. They offer a lot more surface area and have much less air moving through them, which makes them operate at significantly higher temperatures than the default grates that came with my grill.

    Installing them is stupid easy. Remove the old grates. Maybe clean up some of the mess inside. Put the new grates on. An 8-year old (albeit a strong one, the GrillGrates are heavy) could do it. No tools or anything required.

    One of the most useful features of GrillGrates is that they’re double-sided. One side is the standard grill that gives you nice grill marks on whatever you put on them. The other side is a flat, smooth surface like a griddle – which is the side I use more often, frankly. Because they interlink, if you bend them carefully in the correct direction, you can lift the entire grilling surface and flip it over all in one go.

    They’re energy savers, too. Either you run your grill at normal burner temperatures and you grill hotter and faster, or you run your burners lower and save gas. Because the grates heat up so fast and much hotter, you don’t need to use nearly as much fuel or take as long to cook things.

    The only downsides? I’ve been reluctant to go slamming my cast iron pans around on them for fear of marring the surface. The grates are really well-machined, smooth anodized aluminum, and I don’t know they’d tolerate being hammered with a few pounds of cast iron very well; I’ve kept the old grates for when I need to abuse the surface of the grill. And because they’re anodized aluminum and not iron or steel, they would offer little to no protection if you had to use them in a pinch against small firearms as makeshift armor – aluminum will tend to shatter more easily when struck by bullets. Hold onto your cast iron for that. (though obviously they’re better than nothing)

    To see them in action, I cut this short video:

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    So far, I’ve made:

    • Fried rice (yes, with the griddle side, you can!)
    • Green beans
    • Steak
    • Bacon
    • Chicken
    • Burgers
    • Garlic naan
    • Mixed vegetables
    • Tilapia
    • Salmon
    • Breakfast sandwiches
    • Fajitas
    • Corn on the cob

    The only food that absolutely does not work on the GrillGrates is anything that’s purely a liquid, like eggs. There aren’t many holes in the grates, but there are enough that you’d still lose most of the liquid to the grill; in that regard, it’s not a true griddle surface.

    GrillGrates ship with a spatula designed for the raised rails, as well as a wire cleaning brush. The cost is dependent on the side of your grill but ranges anywhere from US60 to US200 depending on how many panels you need. If you want an exact fit down to the eighth inch, you can commission custom cut panels as well for more.

    Would I buy them with my own money? If I hadn’t had a chance to try them, I wouldn’t have because I wouldn’t have understood the difference they make. Now that I’ve tried them? You bet. And I’ll probably buy a set for my father, too.

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  • Solicited Review: Techsmith Camtasia 2021

    Solicited Review: Techsmith Camtasia 2021

    In this video review of the new Techsmith Camtasia 2021, you’ll learn about the three features in the new upgrade that I think are worth talking about: proxy video, auto ducking, and great big piles of new transitions.

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    Okay, folks, this is a quick review and look at what’s new, in Techsmith, Camtasia 2021, full disclosure FTC requirements.

    I am Camtasia Techsmith Ambassador stuff.

    So they gave me a copy of it for free.

    So you have to put that out there to see solicited review.

    So what’s new in Camtasia, if you’ve been using it for any amount of time, you know that it’s essentially a nonlinear editor that is somewhere between the, between iMovie and Adobe Premiere, right, it’s not nearly as sophisticated as Adobe Premiere, which is good, because Adobe Premiere is kind of like, you know, using a rocket ship.

    And then it’s not as overly simplified as iMovie, where you can not do a whole lot.

    So it’s right in that middle zone where it’s got a nice sweet spot.

    And I find it especially useful for building training videos and stuff.

    There’s a lot of integrations for creating, learning and development.

    But in the new version, there’s a lot of good stuff in here, a bunch of things that are new.

    So let’s look at a few of the features that I personally find useful and I think are valuable.

    The first by far is what’s called proxy video.

    proxy video is what you do this is again, something that the bigger MLS like Premier, do, they help you create a scaled down version of a video to minimize its size and editing.

    It’s basically a low res version.

    And the creation of that means that you can drag and drop in the timeline, play it test effects and stuff.

    And if your computer is slower, or you don’t have, you know, a great graphics card, it makes them a little bit easier to work with, right.

    So when you load your video clips in, you’ll set them all to convert proxy video and then go get a sandwich, because it is doing some encoding to turn these videos into lower res videos for editing.

    And then when you go and hit render, when you export the video, it’ll render obviously with the complete full version, but you’ll be able to edit it a little bit easier.

    So that’s number one.

    Very, very useful.

    Number two, they had a lot of transition.

    So one of the things that people have been critical in the past was there wasn’t a ton of transitions, and that’s okay.

    transitions.

    Look, transitions are like hot sauce, right? A little bit goes a long way.

    For those who remember the early days of video editing, when we first got our hands on avid systems and stuff, there were a lot of these transitions in there.

    And we all be honest, we all made that one video where we used every single transition in one video, right, we’ve all been there, we’ve all done that.

    There are a lot of really good new transitions in here.

    Some favorites and things are the digital version, where it sort of pixelate the screen out, which I think is kind of neat is a fun effect here.

    You name it, there’s now probably a transition that matches what you want to do.

    Now the one thing that I wish was in here was the ability to stack transitions to be able to use multiple transitions on the same clip right now you can’t do that.

    So if you want to have an effect that’s layered like a zoom and a digital at the same time, you’ve got to do one transition on a clip, render it, then import that rendered clip in and then apply the second transition to it.

    If somebody knows how to do Stax transitions, without doing that step, please leave something on the comments and tell me because I would love to know how to do that.

    But there’s a ton of new transitions.

    Again, remember, transitions are hot sauce, please don’t go overboard on them.

    A little bit goes a long way.

    Other things that are in here that are really nice.

    There is now a motion blur, visual effects.

    Motion Blur allows you to you can see here, just a little animation, it smooths out the effects and makes it look more natural.

    So for a lot of the rendered effects and including a lot of the transitions and things as well as you know swiping and like logos and stuff in and out of the screen.

    It makes them less janky.

    It makes them look a little bit more natural, which is nice.

    Now, two of the things I think are really helpful.

    One is the blockchain I think by them the most important of all is this this corner rounding which will make you know things like collages and stuff a little a little bit more natural.

    So let’s put some media on the timeline here.

    Here.

    zoom into this and then take this clip here and let’s so I can take this clip here and let’s go ahead and apply a visual effect and slap some corner rounding on it.

    I can take the corners in a lot.

    And now I get us you can see here it’s rounded.

    That edge I can make like little fly ins and stuff like that.

    I could have this be a nice little effect.

    There.

    Let’s go ahead and put an animation on this asset to behavior.

    Let’s do a fly in.

    Do a quick check here.

    Boom.

    And then for that, let’s also apply our motion blur.

    And see what happens corner rounding and motion blur.

    So you can stack the visual effects, you can stack the transitions, which is is unfortunate.

    And then just a quick you can see how see as it zoomed in there, you can see that nice motion blur that it applies.

    Looks really nice.

    More important, though, is ducking ducking.

    For those who are unfamiliar, when you have two pieces of audio.

    Generally speaking, you don’t want them on the same volume, right? You it gets tough to listen to.

    So let’s go ahead and toss in some music here.

    If I were to play this right now, you can see from a volume scale, they’re both playing, it’s essentially the same volume.

    So this would be challenging to listen to you.

    This is a video I’m doing in the middle of editing a video about grilling.

    And what I would want to do is I would want to hear you know that grilling sound, right, there’s no point in having a grilling video of can hear the you know, hear the sizzle.

    So there’s a new audio effect.

    Let’s go to audio effects, called emphasize audio, right, this is auto ducking, you slap it on.

    And then it’s going to ramp your main track to be 80% of the volume and then take everything else down to 20%.

    And you can change that in in the settings here on the panels.

    But this makes ducking super easy because you can now do it also on a per click basis.

    So if you want to emphasize one clip here, let’s go ahead and split and then split again.

    And then I want to go and switch maybe to my voiceover, I can now auto duck the grilling in this section of the clip.

    So we don’t have to track duck, which is what you see a lot in in really good audio programs like Adobe Audition, for example, can duck one track and change it, this is now taking it down to the clip level, which is really cool.

    Because I can duck in and out different sections.

    If somebody’s speaking, for example, I have two speaker tracks.

    And one speakers got some background noise.

    I couldn’t silence that.

    But if I wanted to sort of sound a little bit natural, I can just duck back and forth between them based on who’s speaking at the same time.

    So really, really helpful.

    If you are a video person, and you know what to do with them, you have color el UTM, which is a fast type of color correction setting, which again, really nice, nice to have some of these more pro features showing up in the application.

    So there’s a lot of good stuff in here in terms of what’s available for folks who have who knows what the buttons do, frankly.

    But for me, the emphasize audio effect is killer.

    The motion blur is nice, the rounded corners is cute, and the transitions are nice, but really that emphasize audio, especially if you were take if you’re doing stuff with your video that has multiple media purposes.

    It’s so important.

    So what do I mean? Every week, my my colleague and co founder Katie robear.

    And I do a podcast right? The In-Ear Insights podcast.

    And big with this podcast.

    It’s we record it in in stream yard because we want it to be able to have the multiple camera views and stuff really easy.

    And then I take that into Camtasia.

    And I do the editing in here.

    With the auto ducking with no they emphasize audio effects.

    And all the other things I can sequence in all the audio I want and then export the video and export the audio as an mp3 to make my podcast, which is fantastic.

    So now that we have some more Pro Audio features in here, it takes out additional steps afterwards, right we we already have the audio compression in here which is is decent, we have some noise removal.

    Now with ducking, we’re one step closer to being able to use Camtasia pretty much for everything and use fewer tools in the process.

    So there’s a lot of good stuff in Camtasia 2021 there’s all a bunch of stuff that for folks who are doing brand stuff where you have a custom assets, you can share assets with your team.

    And so I don’t really use that because it’s literally just me doing all the editing.

    But if you did have that, you would be able to do it within the application.

    And you can also do consolidation of all your stuff into you know, standalone project files.

    So you can lump them all together.

    Like when I was assembling this.

    This project.

    I now I could do

    Good to have all these little snippets and stuff and not have to provide the source video files, it all just comes lumped in all at once.

    It looks like my, my media file here has finished rendering itself for and you can see it’s, it’s now proxied.

    Let’s go ahead and slap that in.

    You can see it’s definitely is lower resolution, but it also scrubs faster.

    If you look here, and I see when I scrub through this video can see it’s stutters because the full resolution video, and here, when I scrub through this, this scrubs a lot faster.

    Right.

    So that’s that proxy video working, doing a really nice job, making it smooth to preview what’s going on, if I hit play on this, you know, looks good, nice full motion.

    And then on the fly, you still get the full motion because that’s not a particularly large video clip.

    If your videos are on a mechanical hard drive, the proxy veto is really important.

    Because the access times typically are slower than like on an SSD.

    So on.

    Depending on technology setup, you may be using proxy video a lot.

    Remember, with proxy video, if you’re going to use it, if it’s a big editing project, give yourself time for the proxy videos to render.

    Right.

    So maybe if you’ve got all your source footage, you load it up and set it to proxy and then you go to lunch, right or you do it the night before a big editing day.

    So that’s already for you, you have to wait for it to render because that took about, you know, probably five ish minutes to render a clip that is only about I think two minutes long to scale it down and make it ready for proxy editing.

    So that’s what’s new in in Camtasia 2021.

    If you want check out go to Trust insights.ai slash Camtasia.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Email Marketing vs. Livestreaming?

    You Ask, I Answer: Email Marketing vs. Livestreaming?

    Catherine asks, “Most marketers are evangelizing about doing livestreaming , as being the media who gets the highest reach and engagement. Why did it come in last in your Almost Timely poll?”

    This is an excellent question, and I suspect it has to do with algorithms. Livestreams are appointment media – you have to be there at a specific time and place for them. Unless you have lots of free time or a livestream is so valuable that you can’t miss it, chances are it’s not something you want more of – it’s basically another meeting on your calendar, and who wants more meetings?

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    In today’s episode, Catherine asks, most marketers are evangelizing about doing live streaming as being the media who gets the highest reach and engagement.

    Why did it come in last almost time we pull really good questions.

    So over the holidays, I ran a poll in my newsletter, the almost time on the newsletter asking people what content format you would like more content for me in.

    And these are the results here, we can see that email content, text based email came in first 29% of the votes there, followed by we have text blogs at 22%.

    We have video and 19% audio at 16%.

    And live streams down at the bottom at 12%.

    So why is everyone talking about the benefits of live streaming? Well, there’s a couple of reasons for this.

    One and I, I’ll preface this by saying this is speculation I don’t have any hard data on this is algorithms.

    As all these different companies and services like Facebook and stuff, roll out live streaming and live video and stuff, they want people to use that feature.

    And so they give it preference.

    But what typically happens with any of these formats is that the algorithm is tuned to give preference to it for a little while.

    And the percentages of engagement for it or not substantially higher than the new personnel like 100 X, the performance back when Instagram rolled out Instagram TV, for a while, it was you know, two x the performance of Instagram posts on 2% 3% engagement rates as opposed to like a 1%.

    I think even higher than that, but either way, it was not like 70% engagement by any means it was it was still in the single digits.

    And so if you are a social media marketer, and you are focused very heavily on trying to scrape together as any engagement whatsoever, and yes, live streaming, because it is favored by the algorithm right now, is does deliver temporarily higher results.

    And it’s been a little while and we don’t have any really good data.

    Because it’s not in the reporting API’s about whether it continues to do so.

    I know looking at the show’s performance for the Trust Insights live stream, which is typically Thursdays at 1pm.

    Eastern time.

    And a few other shows that I follow that are live shows.

    And the average number of viewers is single or double digits at most, even for really, really big shows.

    You know, I, I follow a bunch of musicians and stuff on YouTube and stuff.

    And when there’s a live show that they do.

    There’s one band has about half a million followers.

    And on any given show, they’ve got about 100 people watching.

    So the numbers are still pretty small.

    So that’s why I think marketers are evangelizing about it, because it does get you slight preference in the algorithms.

    Now, why did come in last in the poll? Well, live streams or appointment media, they are appointment media, which means that you have to be there at a specific date and time if you want to get benefit from them unless they’re recorded.

    If you are busy, right, if you have other things to be doing a live stream is something that you have to make time for.

    And for that to be the case, it has to be really, really valuable.

    Like it has to be super, super valuable.

    And a lot of them aren’t, you know, a lot of them fall in the category of I’ll catch if I have the time, but I don’t.

    And if you think about it, a live stream, because it’s appointment based media, you have to be at a specific time and a specific place.

    It really is just another meeting.

    It’s just another meeting and who wants another meeting on their calendar.

    So why did it come in last? Because nobody wants another meeting on their calendar.

    Which is one of the reasons why it’s so important that if you’re going to pursue live streaming, to engage with those diehard fans, and you should, I’m not saying you shouldn’t do it, because it does help you identify very quickly who are the diehard fans who have the time or willing to make the time for your business.

    And it’s going to be small numbers.

    So expect that you need to also pursue transmedia strategy on top of it which is to say you take that live stream and then you record it and you slice up the recording.

    You turn it into texture into an audio file for a podcast, you turn it into a video file for your YouTube channel you all the things that you should be doing with any kind of media to make it as convenient as possible for people to consume after the fact.

    That’s the goal after the live stream is to make it redistributable make it something that people can pick up when they want it.

    That’s one of the reasons why email is at the top of the pole, right? Email is, as much as also nobody wants more email, at least conceptually for the busy professional on the other end of your email.

    It’s the minimum amount of effort, there’s no blog to remember to go to there’s no special app, there’s no separate device, they literally go into the place that they’re used to going the most, which is their inbox.

    Right? And the content is there.

    It’s it’s zero effort for them.

    Except maybe the only thing that’s ever for them is hitting the delete key.

    They didn’t want to read it.

    And that’s one of the reasons why I think it came in at the top of the poll, because from a behavioral perspective, you’re making it easy for people an email shows up they either read it or they don’t, they don’t have to go any do anything.

    They don’t remember anything, right? You’re taking cognitive load away from people, you’re, you’re removing burdens, as opposed to adding burdens.

    Mitch Joel, my friend Mitchell has a great expression says Don’t be another thing for somebody to do.

    Right.

    Don’t be another thing on someone’s to do list.

    And the more complex you make the the format of data, like a live stream, we got to be at a certain time at a certain place in a certain app.

    You’re giving people more things to do on the do an email, nothing to do, right if it they’ll get when they get to it.

    And if there’s value in it, they’ll look for it.

    Right? They may ask, Hey, I didn’t get this week’s email.

    But you’re not making them work any harder.

    So that’s why these results I think are are the way they are.

    Now I will caveat this this is my audience.

    This is not even the Trust Insights audience.

    This is not marketers in general this is specific to the people like you who follow me.

    And so I would not generalize these results.

    I would not say this is applicable all marketers it’s not.

    My audience is a very specific lives.

    You are very specific, special kind of person who is interested in, you know, data and marketing hacks and tricks and analytics and stuff.

    That’s not every marketer.

    I would encourage you to run the same poll to your audience, right asking what content format people you want people in your audience want more of and get added information directly from your audience and use it to customize your marketing because it may turn out for your audience.

    They love live streaming.

    They may love it, love it, love it and they want more of it.

    You should know that you got follow up questions, leave in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Focus on One Content Marketing Format?

    You Ask, I Answer: Focus on One Content Marketing Format?

    Stephanie asks, “If someone only has the bandwidth to create in one format, where should they focus their time?”

    Video. Why? Because a transmedia content strategy permits you to spin lots of assets from one video.

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    In today’s episode, Stephanie asks, If someone only has the bandwidth to create in one format, where should they focus their time? So for content marketing purposes, the answer to this question is really easy.

    The answer is video.

    Here’s why I bring up our video first content tramp transmedia content framework.

    One video video is the richest format.

    It contains moving images, it contains still images, it contains audio.

    And from that, we can turn that into many, many pieces of content.

    It’s much harder to turn other pieces of content into video than it is to turn video into other pieces of content because it’s the most dense.

    I mean, you know this, if you’ve ever worked with video files, they’re huge, huge files, that they’re just information dense.

    And so we can use video and transform it to all sorts of other stuff.

    Just like I do every day with you ask I answer I do the simple stuff this video, we pull the audio out the audio becomes the podcast that goes along with that the audio then gets sent to otter.ai that transcription services, I’ll link in the show notes below.

    And you will get from that text and suddenly, instead of just making a video every day, and having to make a podcast and then having to make a blog post, I get three for the price of one video is the center.

    So from video you get you get you take little clips.

    And those are great for Instagram stories, Snapchat stories if you’re still doing that, I suppose reels if you wanted to add some music to it and some fun stuff, animations animated GIFs being able to send stuff to like giffy if you wanted to, from the audio, like I said, you get the podcast, get a transcript out of it.

    And that transcript can be content then you can clean it up and turn it into blog posts, ebooks, white papers, newsletters, anything like that you could put together an entire set of transcripts as a book effectively.

    So if you’re doing a video show every day Every week, you could be writing your next book.

    From the video, you can also take still images right screen captures.

    Those become things like Instagram content, you can put them up on Flickr 500 pixels pixiv, all these different image sharing sites if you’re depending on the industry you’re in.

    And of course, the video itself, the native video, you can load that to YouTube, obviously, is the number one choice because of it.

    Functionally, just a giant search engine, LinkedIn, if you’re in the b2b side, you should be loading your videos natively to LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter, depending on the length.

    You can load your videos into systems like webinar Ninja, or go to go to webinar or any of this any service that supports pre recorded videos.

    And then, depending on the type of videos you have, you could put together an entire webinar.

    But even if you didn’t, just by having those videos on on say, YouTube, you can then go into a YouTube Analytics, look at them.

    It’s okay, which of my 250 videos I do a year? Which of the top 10 what the top 10 topics are just getting the views getting the views over time, like consistently racking up views, guess what that tells you, it’s time to do a webinar on those things.

    So it’s time to do a something virtual there a live stream or something like that.

    But whatever it is, that helps you understand, you know, this is a topic that is hot, and that that can webinar.

    If the webinar does well, it can become a conference talk.

    There’s not much of a difference these days because, you know, pandemic.

    But for events like content marketing world, for example, you might want to, to look at your video catalog and say, Hmm, what’s done really well, what’s done so well that I could turn this into a session that people would actually want to see.

    And if the idea continues to grow and grow and grow, that could become a keynote.

    So video encapsulates so much of this information and does so well that I can’t think of a better format for a marketer to really focus on if you only have the bandwidth to create one format.

    Create video because you’re creating multiple formats by default, especially if you do it.

    You don’t over produce it.

    Right? So you asked to answer yes, we’ve got a decent microphone got a decent camera.

    But there’s other than the question, text and a few notes.

    There’s not a whole lot that goes into these.

    It’s not like some long, elaborate script.

    It literally is just answering questions and it’s not over produced.

    Once I’m done with this video.

    It goes into Camtasia Camtasia renders it and read up to YouTube.

    So it’s not like it takes hours and hours every day.

    The whole process of this process for me every morning takes about 40 minutes from beginning to end.

    Some mornings a little longer than others depending on on on how tired I am.

    But you can be doing the same thing, right? You can borrow.

    I mean, the idea of us can answer comes from Marcus Sheridan from his book they ask you answer.

    And you can do the same thing for your industry or the same thing for you for all the questions that people are asking you go into your customer service inbox, go to your social media channels start pulling out and restoring every single question that comes in and answer them.

    You don’t necessarily have to tile it as you know, on the nose as you asked to answer.

    But you absolutely can just spend time answering people’s questions, doing it either by yourself or with partners or customers.

    But just do lots and lots of video.

    Another thing you can do is video if you want to create a lot of it.

    But you don’t necessarily want to do it as a regular process every day is do subject matter expert interviews, inside your company outside your company.

    If you can grab 45 minutes of questions that you have that for an expert, you ask them the questions then you take that video, slice it up, you know, maybe in five minute chunks, right? That’s going to give you nine videos.

    That’s a lot of content.

    They could be nine weeks if you want to do a weekly series could be due to nine, nine days, so almost almost two weeks to business to business weeks of content for weekdays.

    But then again, take that video and splice into all these different pieces.

    And instead of creating one piece of content or one social poster, you’re going to create a tremendous amount of assets from one core asset.

    So if you only got time to focus on a format, do a video.

    You don’t have to spend a lot of money this device if your phone is you know less than two years old, the likelihood that the camera on is good enough to do high quality video is pretty good.

    More importantly, you’ll probably need to get something for better audio because the audio on the is just terrible.

    But this is a good enough camera.

    Even if you it’s a little bit more work if you don’t have video editing software, you should get some there’s there are a number of free open source package.

    As well as the paid ones out there.

    Open shot I believe are open cut, shot cut as one.

    So there are some really good free tools that you can use and there’s obviously even what your computer comes with, you know, Windows Movie Maker, I think that still exists iMovie on the Mac, they’re good enough to generate decent quality video because you’re not gonna be doing fancy effects and Hollywood stuff, you know, it’s it’s just a lot of times just a talking head, you have a maybe some title to a title screen of some kind.

    And that’s it.

    It doesn’t have to be super fancy.

    Unless you work for a video production company in which case, you should be using a company’s full capabilities to demonstrate just how polished and professional you are, but anybody in any department can be creating video.

    If you don’t have a good camera and your phone as far away as it should be for a decent shot.

    You may want to have a little pocket recorder that can sit in your pocket or have a superstar super inexpensive, you know $9 lavalier mic that can record you talking and then you sync up the audio and video later in production.

    Really good idea to do that with subject matter experts because you want them to sound good.

    You want them to look good and sound good when you turn your video into other formats, so focus on video, and then we’ll make all the other content for you got follow up questions leave in the comments box below.

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