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  • Do Something With Your Marketing: Special Interview with Ian Altman

    In this special edition of Do Something With Your Marketing, I interview sales expert Ian Altman about the second edition of his book, Same Side Selling. Same Side Selling teaches a different mindset for selling complex transactions: instead of thinking of the buyer as someone you have to win over, or someone you have to beat into submission, you think of the buyer as someone with a puzzle you both want to solve. You’re literally on the same side, trying to create maximum value for everyone.

    Watch this 32-minute interview where I ask Ian what’s new in his book since the last edition, what new tools are available to help marketers and sales professionals, how same side selling impacts marketers, and much more. I learned a ton, including the four questions everyone should be asking in every sales meeting and the right way to ask them.

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    Christopher Penn
    Alright, today we are talking with Ian Altman, the co author of same side selling second edition, which is a bit of a mouthful to go through. Same side selling has been a best seller for about five years now in terms of helping sales people to not think of their, their prospects as as the enemy for whom they must beat into submission. And what is, first of all, what’s this? What’s the why a second edition if the the concept is timeless, but I personally think it is,

    Ian Altman
    Well, you know what, it is timeless? There’s a few things that we did. One is that there’s some core principles that I’ve been teaching for the last five years that just weren’t in the book. So they came up as we were teaching people things afterwards, where they would say, Well, so, man, I’m still struggling with these concepts, how do I actually apply it. And so there’s a concept that that we have in the book now called the same side quadrants, for example, which is

    For those people have ever seen me speak on stage, I’ve probably share the same side quadrants 500 times. And it’s not in the book or it wasn’t in the book. And now it’s in the second edition. And there are things that when we wrote them in the first edition, we thought, Man, this is absolutely critical. This has to be in the book. And then upon further review, we realized not so necessary. It’s kind of just extra fluff. So we took those things out, we cleaned up some stuff, we added a bunch of digital case studies. So So now anybody gets a book, they have access to a site where it’s constantly growing different case studies. And so the idea is to make it so that it’s much more practical. And then people thought it was pretty practical before but it just makes it that much more practical for people to actually be able to implement it and get the results that other people have seen. Gotcha. Now for the folks who have not read it. It is a about 220 page book nine chapters. You want to briefly walk through what is same size selling already.

    Christopher Penn
    is somewhat intuitive from the name, but let’s talk about about the concept.

    Ian Altman
    Sure. So so the almost every book that’s ever been written about sales, either uses a game metaphor, or a battle metaphor. So when the game metaphor, there’s a winner and a loser in the battle metaphor, the loser actually dies. And then and then we wonder why we have this adversarial tension between buyer and seller. What a shocker. So the metaphor that we introduced and same side selling is more of a puzzle metaphor. So my co author jack quarrels, you can probably guess from Jack’s last name quarrels. jack is a guy has been two decades and purchasing and procurement. And, and so the idea is that for what we bake into every single chapter, every page is the buyer and the seller’s perspective. And with this puzzle metaphor, the idea is, look, we want to collaborate together, I’m gonna bring my puzzle pieces you bring yours, we’re going to sit on the same side of the table. And they’re puzzle pieces on the table and see whether or not we have a fit. Do these pieces fit together? And if so, is it for the right picture that we’re going to end up with some It looks great, because if not, that client will become the bane of our existence, and we get sucked into the vortex of evil.

    Christopher Penn
    It is true. I mean, think about you have everything from target marketing, to even the the inaptly described email blast,

    Ian Altman
    email blast, and then you get people thinking about it. Then we introduce marketing, like guerrilla marketing. I mean, it’s it’s all these battle and war metaphors. And then we then we wonder why clients are a little bit resistant and not as trusting as we might like them to be.

    Christopher Penn
    So with same side selling with this, this concept in the light in the last five years, have you run into those people who have said, Well, no, my organization special? We’re a little snowflake, this won’t work for us. Have you run into those? And then on further examination has, have there been any cases where we’re Nope, the the average selling method is the way they have to go.

    Ian Altman
    You know what, I guess if somebody is a tort lawyer, I mean, the reality is, there are some businesses like for example, in the legal profession, not as a seller, but if you’re a litigator, it’s very adversarial and nature. Oftentimes, each side is trying to take a position that is totally unrealistic and unreasonable to the other side. There are businesses like if people are buying and selling commercial property, you might not need to have a great relationship with that person after the transactions done. The only place where same side selling fits is if it’s actually important that everyone gets along after the sale. So I would say that with the exception of like, for example, if you are somebody, you probably don’t need to be on the same side, if you’re a paid assassin, because the other person probably doesn’t matter how much they’re on the same side with you. So I guess that would be the excuse is paid assassins, not so much the book is not for them. And really, it’s catered much more to the, to the b2b side of the world, because that’s our background. And yet, we get emails and success stories from people all the time who say no, no, this applies in the consumer side, too. And my favorite is when I get an email from somebody who says, I’m just so you know, I mean, I’m using some of these concepts and dating and it’s working great.

    Christopher Penn
    Well, you know, that’s something that I don’t apply a whole lot of my own marketing technology to. So I assume that will just let those folks be happy.

    You mentioned on the b2b side. So I assume that means that there’s a lot of folks who for whom that is more complex sale, where there’s many steps to negotiation things? Are you seeing people use the concepts of same side selling for things, they’re very transactional sales, e commerce, sales, things like that, where there’s not a sales person talking, but there’s a checkout gateway, you know, by the SAS software? How are you seeing same size selling applied to that?

    Ian Altman
    Well, so we’re, we’re, it ties into that is more on the marketing side. So if you think about it, once I get to that transactional type sale, then what happens is, now I’m relying on the customer going through that journey, in many cases on their own. And so what I have to do is I follow very similar principle. So one of the concepts we talked about, and same side selling is focusing on the problems you solve, rather than what it is that you do. So, to that extent, instead of having your website talk about, here’s what we do, you would say, Well, people use this software, usually facing one of these two or three problems. That’s why they come to us. So then we get we get them to say, okay, they saw that kind of problem, I have that problem. So then it makes sense. The next level is what we call disarming. So the idea is, I need to acknowledge that not everyone’s a good fit for us. And so what that might sound like is, look, so just because you’re having that problem doesn’t necessarily mean that we can help you. So here are two or three conditions that we may not be the best fit for. And then it allows people to kind of say, okay, so they’re not just assuming that everyone’s a great fit, they’re actually open to the fact that maybe they’re not a great fit, which makes everything you say, way more credible, I mean, keep mine, one of the tenants behind same side selling is that your goal is not to sell to everybody, your goal is to sell to the people you can help the most, and actually deter the people who you can’t help. And that’s a hard thing for people to get their head around. Because a lot of people, they think all revenue is good revenue, and it just isn’t. So

    Christopher Penn
    in chapter two, you talk a lot about being unique about developing that market differentiator and stuff. And one of the things that I know I certainly see in my LinkedIn inbox every single day are scads of equal of perfectly identical prospecting pitches and things. How, why is this the perfect selling stuck in in such a rope template? environment where everybody sounds the same? It’s like, okay, you know, we are the better, faster, cheaper, slightly more advanced, you know, whatever the thing is,

    Ian Altman
    as our friend Jay Baer says, same is lame. And, you know, it’s just if you sound like everyone else, it’s awful. And how many times do you get a solicitation from somebody where it says, gee, Chris, I know that I help companies like, and then they give your company name exactly as it isn’t LinkedIn. And we do this and this and this, and I know it will be perfect for you. When can we schedule a call, and you’re thinking, What an idiot. And the problem is that they, here’s what need to recognize one, that person wasn’t born with that idea in their head, someone said to them, hey, here’s a good idea, here’s what you should do. So we got to find that person, take them out back and be them into the ground, okay, but we’re probably not going to find that person. But what we need to appreciate is that, oftentimes, people are just doing what they’ve been taught to do and what they’ve been told to do. And so it’s really not their fault. They just don’t know a better way. And so a lot of what we talked about, and same side selling is how we take a more modern approach to sales marketing. So instead of reaching out to someone saying, Oh, I know I can help you, here’s what we do, you would say, look here, the kind of problems that we solve. And I can’t tell from looking at your website, Chris, whether or not you’re facing one of these, if you know of one or two people who might be facing that, I’d be happy to talk to them to see if maybe we can help. Well, you might be inclined to actually listen to that and go, you know, what, I don’t have that need. But you know, Tom does, or, you know, it just it opens up your mind to the fact that maybe this will work when you’re when you’re just constantly pushing forward for the sale, you’re just repelling everybody away from you.

    Christopher Penn
    Talk a little about in, in the concepts of in narrowing your market and understanding who is or is not a good customer who is or is not a prospect and customer, how do you answer the executive, not the line salesperson who you know, is trying to do the best that they can do. But the C level executives, like you know, this is our revenue number for the quarter, you have to hit it, we don’t care how you do it. But you got to make this number or you don’t get your bonus, how do you reconcile the same side selling approach of not creating that average sales, like super thirsty sales guy with the executive says hit the numbers, or else I fire you.

    Ian Altman
    So So keep in mind, the organizations that implement same side selling. If you look at the case studies, it’s people that grew from 17 million to over 100 million in three years. Now. The case study example there is a company called bright claim, bright claim grew from 14 million to 17 million in the prior three years. So they went 14 to 17, and three years, and they went 17, over 100 million in three years. So it’s not that people aren’t enthusiastic about growing, it’s just, it’s when you come to the realization that says, You know what, I waste a lot of resources chasing opportunities that we had no business ever working with. And so I profile companies in the book, who actually more than doubled their growth rate while pursuing 40%, fewer opportunities. So it sounds counterintuitive, that says, look, the key to you growing is not chasing as much garbage. But that’s really what it comes down to is don’t chase stuff, where you’re not the best fit. Don’t Don’t chase stuff, where you can’t have a profound impact for them. One of the questions we ask people is, so why would this client or prospect do business with you? And if you can’t quickly come up with the answer, they’re not going to figure it out on their own.

    Christopher Penn
    I used to work at an organization where marketing had to be generated leads of prospects really have to be technical. And the demands kept getting higher and higher and higher record, it went from 2000 to 3000. This was a SAS based company. And sales had a closing rate of 0.01%. Meaning that

    Unknown Speaker
    Oh, that’s

    Unknown Speaker
    awesome.

    Christopher Penn
    Imagine how much time they’re wasting? Well, that was the thing is and sales would complain that, you know, the leads are, you know, it’s a classic like I can laugh great. Glen Ross, the leads are weak. And

    but this was a company that sold email marketing, there were not that many qualified companies out there certainly not 3000 a quarter. So eventually, what ended up happening was getting anything and everything. And that created this adversarial relationship between sales and marketing. How do you how do you help both marketers and sales? People get on the same side internally in a company to help ownership? Yeah, you’re going to get fewer leads. But theoretically, they should be higher quality? How do you help bridge that battle?

    Ian Altman
    You know, what I’m glad you asked, I was actually just working with a company. This week. It’s about an 18 billion company. And so I was doing a keynote for their group and then some breakout sessions with the team. And the the marketing organization actually said, we’re going to be there to make sure that our marketing messages align for what sales needs, which is very refreshing, because oftentimes, I’ll go into an organization or work with marketing or sales, and then they’re left to try and translate that to the other side of the organization, it usually doesn’t happen. That the challenge is that we get lazy. And as someone with your background in terms of analytics, you’ll appreciate this. People will focus on the simplest numbers to measure in terms of activity. And they don’t look at anything from a qualitative standpoint. So what they do is they say, for example, as you said, in the in this other SAS company, well, we need three things thousand leads. Well, why do you need 3000 leads? Well, because our goal is to generate 30 new customers, and the way we do is with 3000 leads. Okay? What if there was a way to generate 50 new customers from 150 leads? Like, what if what if we could generate almost twice as much business, but by pursuing dramatically fewer opportunities, but being much more precise and intentional about what we go after? And that’s part of what we try to teach in same side selling, which is, look, don’t waste your time chasing rainbows. You know, oftentimes, you ask somebody in sales or marketing, well, who’s your ideal client? And they usually give an answer sound something like, well, anybody who needs x is usually the answer. Anybody who needs this. So they might say, well, so anybody with more than 100 employees? Okay, so so is IBM, a good prospect for you? Oh, man, we would love to have IBM. Okay. So why would I IBM work with you?

    Well, I don’t know that IBM would. Okay. So let’s assume now that it’s not anybody with more than 100 employees, there’s probably an upper limit to the number of employees that you can adequately serve, right? Yeah. What does that well, mean? I think we could probably get up to 1000. Okay, so if they had 1000, and you were the client, why would they pick you over someone else? Well, they probably wouldn’t pick us those thousand. Okay, so pretty soon they start narrowing it down. All right, well, companies between 100 and 212. All right, fine. So what problems those people have that you’re really good at solving. And once you start getting that precise, all of a sudden, you have a different lens. And now instead of saying, well, any company with a size instead you say, you know what, if they were having this problem, it really doesn’t matter. If they had 200 employees or 500 employees, we could really help them. But if they don’t have these two or three problems, then we’re probably no better helping them than anyone else. Great, then don’t focus their focus some of the things where you can have a dramatic impact and don’t waste your time elsewhere.

    Christopher Penn
    How do you deal with the lack of differentiation, though, for a lot of companies? So I’ll give you a simple example. Let’s say,

    you know, I used to work at a PR firm.

    And the it is that is a very commodities industry. So when you say well, what what problems do you solve? Because I remember we did an exercise like this, and one of our management meetings, and we you know, we help companies get awareness and trust, right? Sure. And we serve everybody.

    Unknown Speaker
    But you guys were very discerning, you only serve people that had a pulse.

    Christopher Penn
    But the problem was, from a an actual work and impact perspective of the things that people did. Once they signed on the dotted line, if you were to put one firms work next to another firms work, there was zero difference, you could sit, you could rip and replace the logo, the even the people were interchangeable. They all looked exactly the same, like the, you know, 90% of the

    Unknown Speaker
    markets

    Christopher Penn
    say exactly the same, because everything is like robots. And when you have a case like that, where there is there is a clearly defined problem, there’s a company that need awareness address that don’t have it.

    But all the competitors are exactly identical. How do you use the same side selling method to distill out more nuanced, unique factor?

    Ian Altman
    Well, so when when you start getting into the problems you solve, so the notion of well, we help people who aren’t getting enough attention for their ideas is fine. So let me use like a technology example. So they’re IT services companies that provide it hosting that provide technology support, you know, help desk managed services, that whole sector, it can be highly commodities, because there isn’t a huge barrier to entry. And there’s a lot of people in that space. So the organizations that we worked with, and one of them is a case study in in the new same side selling, what they what we looked at was okay, are there certain markets where you have more experience than other people? Yeah. What are those? Well, trade associations, law firms and professional services firms? Okay. So what are the things that are really important to lawyers?

    Well, I mean, after practice, law know, what are the things about their technology that they worry about? So now, this is an organization who when they reach out to their prospects, they say, well, when we talk to law firms, the three biggest concerns they have are number one, they’re trying to attract younger associates, and they realize that their technology is outdated. And so it’s not relevant. So the associated say, Well, look, if I can’t just drag and drop stuff, if I can’t get access to stuff on my phone, my tablet, Wherever I am, then I’m not really interested in it means they have trouble attracting people, they’re going to be critical to their succession plan. The other side is that they’ve got techno people internally who seem pretty hip, but they don’t really know if these guys understand

    the latest and greatest technology, it just they know more than the attorneys do. So they kind of feel captive to those people. And the third one is that they’re losing billable time. Because Because their systems go down. And sometimes it means they miss deadlines, and they could, it could lead to them losing a lot of business. So, you know, those are the kind of problems people come to us to solve. And other other law firms. You know, how one of those resonate with you people be like, Oh, man, we have that issue. Exactly. And if they came in and said, Well, the problem we solve is reliability of IT systems, they’re going to sound like everybody else. But because they took the time to specialize in a certain area. Now, it’s where the experts is applying technology in this market space. And here’s the funny part, that while they’ve been doing this, their businesses now grown, their perceived in the marketplace is the go to people for law firms and trade associations. And there were two players who were doing reasonably well with law firms. And both of those firms are now are now just being destroyed. Because the people we worked with now have got the messaging so tight, that the law firms say, Oh, yeah, you got to use them. When three years ago, they had a bunch of law firm clients, but their messaging wasn’t precise enough. And if you think about it, look at it this way. And think about like a medical metaphor. You’re never going to say to somebody, oh, let me refer you to this person. They are like the best generalist, this person is like, pretty much, okay, in eight different areas. No, we recommend people to specialists. And so specialization is really key. And you can’t just do it by name. You really got to invest the time and the energy and making sure you’ve got the lingo and the terminology to go with that industry.

    Christopher Penn
    Does that. Does that answer that? Okay. Absolutely. Absolutely. I know, one of the other big sales problems, and certainly one that I could speak to personally, is I lose more sales to this than anyone than anything else. And that is the arch enemy knows no decision. The status quo. Exactly. How do you How are you seeing people succeed using the same side of selling to beat no decision?

    Ian Altman
    Okay, well, so keep mine sometimes no decision is the right decision. So first thing we have to acknowledge is that sometimes the clients better off doing nothing. But there’s a there’s a structure that we have in same side selling and it’s on page 76 in the in the printed version, called the same side quadrants. And the idea is that very often when someone’s trying to solve something, they have this initial issue, if you will. And it’s all centered around research that I’ve done with over 10,000, CEOs and executives and how they make and approve decisions. And so I put people in this scenario, I say, look, someone in your team wants to spend20,000 on something. I call it a certain Blatt, because I want something that’s easy to spell and pronounce. And so you know g someone wants to buy us a certain bladder cost $20,000 requires an resources on your part takes 45 days to implement it, what are the questions you have to ask, and I put executives in that scenario. And in teams, they come up with their top five, then I have narrowed down to their top three. And no matter where they are in the world, whether they’re running a million dollar company, or multi billion dollar company, they give the same three answers, meaning the same three questions they would have to have answered every single time. And if we had time, we would discuss it with your listeners. But now, so.

    So so the questions that people ask the first one to compound question, which is, well, what problem does this solve? And why do we need it? The second question they ask is, what’s the likely result or outcome if we make this investment? And the third one is what are the alternatives? So we need to make sure that through the process, we’re focused with our clients to help them answer those questions. Because guess what, they’re going to be asked those questions whether they realize it or not. So what problems that solve, why do I need it? What’s the likely outcome or result? So inside selling and the second edition, we introduced something called the same side quadrants. And the idea is that on a blank sheet of paper, you draw a vertical line down the center of the page, horizontal and across the center, creating four quadrants. It’s a method for taking notes in the meeting. So in the upper left quadrant, we take notes about the issue, meaning, so what is it inspired you to meet with us today? What were you hoping to accomplish? That kind of stuff? We take our notes up there, then we want to find out why do they need it? Which is the impact meaning what happens if you don’t solve this? And it’s a simple question, which is, after they’ve explained all that, you go, Hmm, so what happens if you don’t solve that, and then you take notes in that quadrant, and they’re going to talk about all the things and there’s a whole series of questions that we give people to ask to uncover what happens if they don’t solve it. And we asked them compared to other things on your plate, how important is it to solve this right now? in the lower left quadrant, we take notes about the results. So it sounds something like this, it says, gee, Chris, just because you pay us doesn’t mean we’re successful, what could we measure together six months down the road, to know that we’re successful? What would be meaningful and impactful that you and I can look at? So you can make sure that you can hold us accountable. Guess what, less than 1% of vendors ever asked that question. And it’s magic, when you ask it in the lower right quadrant, we asked some questions that most people haven’t thought of, which is, we want to figure out who else needs to be involved. Because we’ve all been involved in deals where someone’s name came up in the 11th hour, we’ve never heard of them, and they killed the deal. So people have been trained to ask a question that is useless, but everyone asks it, which is, who’s the decision maker? Right? And when you ask that question, it kind of goes like this. If I said, if you if you and I were working together, and you were the client, and I asked the question, what’s implied is this. So Chris, obviously, the organization wouldn’t entrust this decision to you. So who is the decision maker? I mean, that’s kind of the way it comes across, right? But instead, we ask questions like, so who else would be most directly impacted by this issue? Who else would have an opinion about how we measure results? Who’s likely to chime in who haven’t heard from before? who get it or kill this deal or bless it. And then we find out who’s who needs to be involved. And that gives us a method for figuring out if an opportunity is worth pursuing and not. As we’re asking these questions cliff and collecting the information. Not only are we being convinced that the problem is worth solving, but guess who else has been convinced that the problem is worth solving the customer, the customer is, so I often say that effective selling is not about persuasion, or coercion, it’s about getting the truth as quickly as possible. And the idea is that if the client, and you have a shared understanding of the impact associated with not solving the problem, and have a mutual understanding and belief in the results you can deliver, that’s when people make decisions. When your client says, I don’t know, I want to think about it, they either don’t believe in the impact of not solving it, or they don’t believe in the results or both.

    Christopher Penn
    So in a lot of sales organizations, particularly the ones I’ve I’ve had the experience working with there is there is the sales professional, the business development executive who is doing the thing, and then there’s typically an army of of upfront folks who are doing essentially qualification to the lessons and sales side selling are, you know, don’t force the fit and sell the value, not the price. But the lead qualification process almost goes opposite of that and say, Okay, what do you have a budget of right? That sounds like hands on my sales guy? And do you do this? How do you adapt that lead qualification process to align with same side selling?

    Ian Altman
    It’s actually very straightforward. So if you think about it, the way people used to qualify was using an acronym called band,

    Christopher Penn
    oh, the,

    Ian Altman
    the 60s, band budget, authority need and time sensitivity. So the idea was, well, we got to find out what what their budget is, if the person has the authority, do they have a need? And is it time sensitive? So the problem with budget is that, let’s say that, you know, you live in the northeast, and all of a sudden, in January, your furnace stops working. Now, you may not have budget set aside to replace your furnace. But rest assured you’re going to find the money, because you don’t want your family to freeze. So we have a budget is awfully often extremely overrated. And very misleading, because people find money all the time for stuff that wasn’t budgeted if it’s important enough. So budget, not a good thing to qualify on. Authority used to be that while the boss said we’re doing I guess we’re doing it.

    Yeah. And over time, leadership coaches have taught us, you know, what, if the team isn’t bought in, then people aren’t doing it. So even if you’re the CEO, you’re going to make sure that your team is bought in I’m working with an organization right now, where it’s a multi billion dollar company, the head of this division wants me to come in and help their team. And we agree that the best way to do that is to make sure that the VP of sales and and the head of marketing that everyone’s on board, because otherwise it’s not going to go anywhere. Now, they could have forced this through, but I just said, Look, that’s not going to give you the best outcome. So we know that authority is misleading need is all about these quadrants. So the quadrants is all centered around need. And then we have time sensitivity. And guess what, that’s also an essence part of the quadrant terms of how important it is. So what we do is we replace band with the same side quadrant. So now when people are calling up, they say, Oh, we’ve got some interest in this. Well, gee, what sparked your interest right now? Why is this important enough to spend money on? What happens if you don’t say all of it? Who else is impacted by this? What would success look like? Oh, you don’t know who would know. And now we find out who the key players are. And it’s a much better qualification opportunity. So many of the organizations that I work with, they have that same structure, it’s just now they use the quadrants instead of old school methods for qualification.

    Christopher Penn
    Gotcha. Okay, that makes total sense. Are you seeing in just to sort of wrap up with the deliver impact chapter chapter nine in the book? Yep. Are you seeing sales, people’s compensation change in some way, in any way that reflects that to say, like, Hey, you get your upfront Commission for the sale, but then there’s a portion that’s withheld until the person stays if they remain a client for three, six and nine to 12 months?

    Ian Altman
    or more importantly, do they see the results? So it could be at the beginning of the sales process. Now with the quadrants, we’re actually identifying what’s going to be measured in terms of results. So there are organizations I work with who have structured their compensation plans, and they don’t say we’re withholding things, they just say, oh, and you get a 10% overall bonus on the deal. If in the timeframe that you agreed to with the customer, if they get verifiable results. Now, someone will say, well, but it’s not my responsibility to deliver the results. No, but it is your responsibility to manage expectations appropriately with the client. So this way, you’re not selling hype, you’re selling what you can actually deliver. And the interesting thing is, if you deliver results, you’re likely to get repeat and referral business. And if you don’t, people aren’t going to see it as valuable. See, a lot of organizations they sell resources, not results, oh, I’m going to give you so many hours of this person’s time. Never has a client thought, you know, what I need is I need like 27.4 hours of this type of labor category. Now they say I have this problem. Here’s what the solution looks like. Here’s what the resolution looks like to that problem. And that’s where we start to totally change the the nature of the discussion, where we’re focused based on results, rather than focused on resources.

    Christopher Penn
    makes total sense, okay, where I assume you can buy the book where where books are generally sold, where would you like people to buy the book from if anywhere,

    Ian Altman
    you know what they can, it’s any place they prefer to buy it. So we try to make it as frictionless as possible. So whether it’s Amazon or Barnes and Noble, your favorite independent bookstore, if they want Kindle, we we launched all of the versions simultaneously. So for the second edition, you can get paperback, you can get hardcover, you can get, you can get the audible version, you can get the Kindle version, all at the same time. Amazon sometimes there’s some interesting things I noticed today that the paperback is selling for 20% more than the hardcover. I don’t quite understand that. But we have no control over how they price it. So we thought that was kind of funny. We’re actually trying to make it so anybody who bought the original version of the Kindle will just get an automatic update to the new version. But I feel like Amazon kind of believes that we might be doing something nefarious rather than trying to do something generous. So we’re just trying to work through those kinks. But in the meantime, while they’re trying to figure that out, we’ve made it so it’s like the Kindle version, at launch, I think is 299. Just so that while they’re trying to work that out, we can make it much easier for people to get it so you know, you can go to same side selling com to get the bonus content. And of course, people can always find me everywhere on the planet at Ian altman. either.com or on Twitter or everywhere else.

    Christopher Penn
    All right, thank you so much in and I look forward to seeing lots of folks. stop sending me terrible sales pitches.

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  • Social Media Marketing World 2019 Day 2 Recap

    Social Media Marketing World Day 2 Recap

    Yesterday marked day 2 of Social Media Marketing World 2019. What were some of the key takeaways? Facebook gets rightfully stomped on, video rules, content shock continues, influencers don’t comply, and much more. Watch the video for full details.

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    In today’s episode recapping day two of Social Media Marketing World 2019 it was a crazy day in terms of a lot of the information shared by the various folks who are speaking. So to kick off the day Michael Stelzer, the founder talked about, he did a really nice recap of the history of Facebook in the last five years, and how it went from a marketer’s, best friend and this massively open platform to unify the world to increasing increasingly smaller and smaller and less open and less open until now. It is basically a completely self serving machine outside content doesn’t do well. marketing content doesn’t do well. It is only for what is AI optimizes for and for what people pay for, which I thought was a nice retrospective. He did have a

    Nice little takeaway in terms of a sort of a meme for your brain about marketing, and specifically about marketing on social networks, and that was that, instead of making a smaller impact on a bigger audience make a bigger impact on a smaller audience that I thought was helpful for folks to hear that they should stop trying to be a Kardashian right and focus on the audience they have and growing that not as quickly but trying to create much more loyalty. So people remember to go seek you out. He also was showing you the difference between Facebook’s video viewers and YouTube video viewers YouTube’s video of yours least in in his data, were much much more loyal, helpful.

    50% getting to the end of in many cases, five to seven minute videos, whereas he shows what he

    example where he had 20,000 on average 20,000 viewers start a video on Facebook, same five to seven minute video. And by the time they got to the end, the completion rate was was 19 out of those 20,000 so 19 people, so it was it was useful. Nick Nevin, who is a YouTube practitioner I felt like a quarter million subscribers really went over some useful stuff. Number one he advocated that we all and I will be doing this myself take the YouTube Creator Academy course just to learn the ins and outs in the same way that I advocate for Google’s analytics Academy would seem that we all have to get our homework done and go to YouTube Creator Academy so i’ll be doing that. Now. completely free of course, just Google for YouTube Creator Academy.

    He said the when you’re customizing your channel

    in a do it in

    Lot of time and I was actually actually had the trust insights YouTube channel up while he was talking just starting to make the changes right in the session.

    The new and returning user videos, there’s a section in the, in your channel where you can put a video to show you that new user or returning users and his advice was that is where you put your goal generating video videos. If you want people sign up for an email list, you want people to buy something you want people to do whatever, that’s the place that it goes. He said that’s the most valuable real estate on your YouTube channel from a video perspective, so make sure that that is where you invest some some time and that’s involved.

    He had a really good point on

    your videos when you run analytics on the on your videos, instead of looking at what gets views because use can be very transitory.

    Analyze which videos give you new subscribers if you go to YouTube Analytics you go into the the video

    Section, you have to add a column for subscribers. But then if you sort your videos by that you can see these are the videos that generate real loyalty because people are saying yes, I’m raising my hand I want to watch more from you. So that was very helpful.

    Ursula random did a fantastic session on influencer program. She runs the sap influencer program. And one of the interesting things there was that they do their influencer marketing, planning and budgeting on an annual basis. So instead of having it be one offs, like oh, we need an influencer for this event for this event, they actually try out the whole year and assign influencers based on their their editorial calendar, which is a smart way of doing it. And her co presenter Megan Connelly,

    talk very I thought when I don’t think spent enough time on

    regulatory requirements for influencers are much deeper than most marketers think.

    The example they were giving because SAP is a German company is GDPR GDPR. The general data protection regulation, the EU directive about piracy

    extends through your supply chain. So as part of your compliance, if you’re working with an influencer, they must also be GDP are compliant. If you want to make sure that you’re you’ve mitigated your risk, your influences have to be as compliant as you are, they have to adhere to your policies and vice versa,

    in terms of data sharing influencers may not necessarily be able to do as much data sharing, or have to go take additional steps to make sure that they are passing along audience to you in a way that is compliant, which was I think, an important part of that. Again, they had to they had to do a whole

    the whole session and but I think that could probably be its own session on on regulatory requirements for influencers because it is if you do

    Wrong, a very serious risk.

    The fine folks at buzz Sumo through a lunch yesterday and there’s a lot of

    talking about just content in general. But one step that I thought was really very aligned with this idea of Mark Schaefer, his idea of content shock was that in 2018, we, the planet cranked out 912 million blog posts. Now we think about it. That’s a lot.

    Last year trust insights did analysis of Google news stories, and we cranked out as a civilization like 93 million news story. So the fact that we basically did 10 X, the number of blog posts mean, it’s really just swimming in, in content. And it’s about as a prize that as as more marketers are creating more stuff. It’s getting that much harder to get eyeballs on things. And finally, I did my talk which you’ll be able to

    You want to see the slides moment you can go to where can I get the slides calm right now. And the video and stuff will be up. I think I kind of plane ride today’s I’m sure I can get video at least edited on the plane ride today, back to back to Boston. But one of the things we did after the talks was I did a dinner with talk Walker. And

    we had we did like a 45 minute presentation on using AI and data to make better social media marketing. And one of the key takeaways from that was that search, your search marketing and your social media marketing must work together, they must share data. If you don’t do this, what will happen is you’ll be essentially spending money twice because they can use a lot of the same data they can use. When you look at social trends can pull that data out, feed it to your search keyword and regenerate new keyword lists or enhance your keyword lists and then

    From that pass that data back to social media about when things will be trending. So there’s a lot of value that you can extract when you put those departments together. Ideally, all of your digital marketing team should be collaborating together. But search and social in particular

    are really really important to bond together to be sharing data frequently and at at volume. So that was day two of Social Media Marketing World today I’m going to catch about half of the show because I got to fly back early afternoon flight but

    lots of good stuff to work on and and things to do as next steps. In terms of the courses we can take an additional training. As always, please subscribe to the YouTube channel.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Current Video Gear On The Road?

    You Ask, I Answer: Current Video Gear On The Road?

    Brian asks, “What are you currently carrying/using on the road for video?”

    Great question. For the most part, I’m doing two primary functions with video on the road – documentation of stuff and capturing my talks. For the former, all you really need is a smartphone with a decent camera. For the latter, here’s what I’m working with today.

    2 camera shoot setup:

    I’ll be setting up two camera shoots where the smartphone is at the back of the room to capture the big picture and the DJI is near the stage with motion track on. Both cameras’ mics are hot to capture house noise.

    See an example of this setup with a one-camera shoot at my most recent keynote address.

    Why go to this crazy amount of effort? For capturing high-quality video that can be used as speaking reels, social posts, etc.

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    In today’s episode Brian asked what are you currently carrying are using on the road for video gear? Great question i’m doing i’m doing two things with video on the road one is documentation of stuff you know taking pictures and sharing stuff on social as it as it’s appropriate at events and things and then capturing when I speak now for the former all you really need a smartphone for that right you don’t need as long as it’s got a good camera you don’t really need a whole lot more for the basics there for the ladder for capturing your speaking doing. I’ve got a different setup today than I did even just a couple months ago. So this is as of you know, end the first quarter 2019 will change over time. I’m doing what’s called a two camera shoot where I have a camera in the back of the room to capture the big picture.

    Know Me and the audience and then a camera up front that is recording and tracking me more close up. Now I haven’t done this in production. I’ve done some tests I was my last talk I did was still one camera shoot. But the reason for this is that you want to be able to capture really high quality video that you can cut and splice for speaking for social posts for YouTube, etc. For lead generation and the better that your video looks and sounds. Obviously the more can do work for you. The more can

    create a positive first impression for anybody who doesn’t know who you are. So what’s the gear setup I’ve got the smartphone here on a ultra pod too. And I like the the the Apple iPhone x. I like the fact that it has the two x optical zoom which is handy because if the room is really far back you want you want to try and make it a little bit crop to deliver with the stage.

    The Ultra pod two is a nice tripod for one reason it’s got this strap and it folds up either you can fold it up for you can, you can have it as a full table top tripod I’ve like ideally on this one to be able to fold it up and actually strap it to a pole in the back of the room because a lot of conferences particular bigger ones have like there’s a lighting polar a sound pole or something where you can strap this to it and get a an elevated

    point of view. So that’s one rig. The second rig is the DJ Oslo pocket which is this tiny little camera here it’s a gimbal camera which means that it mechanically you can track an object in range so this gets parked on a very small tripod you have to buy separately the sky read tripod it can see the this tracks you which is kind of cool. So this gets plugged into a tripod as well. I like this the sky right because you can either use as a handheld or you can fold up the legs and it becomes a tabletop as well.

    And the head can be removed and put on something else. Like if you have a gorilla pod or whatever, you can unscrew this and put this head on something else. So those are the two cameras. Both microphones are hot on the cameras, meaning that they are recording audio in the room. This is not to capture you speaking it’s going to sound terrible. No matter what. No matter what kind of room you’re in, unless you’re literally going padded room. Nobody else

    the reason for that is these devices and your smartphone to adjust are not meant to capture the high quality auto that you want. So what you want for that is you want a third device and this is I use a portable audio recorder. You can use any one there’s a whole good Jillian to have these. This one’s a task cam one. If I had to do it all over again, I would probably get one of the zoom once it has an XLR input as opposed to just the headphone jack input. So that’s more compatible with more soundboard because you want to be able to ideally, jack this into the soundboard that powers the room that’s coming off of your lapel

    Mike, when you’re speaking on stage, that way, you get crystal clear, high quality, high fidelity audio from the soundboard. If you don’t have that, or if the room isn’t set up, or the AV technicians not as as good as it could be, I use the team of fun head one mic. And what I’ll do is I’ll take this, there’s one in here, there’s another end that’s wireless, this other end go straight to the top of the task. Em,

    and I will either put this on the podium or I may even just keep this in my pocket and record the audio from my voice speaking straight into that. And then what happens afterwards is you pull the audio sources you pull the audio sources from you pull the audio and video from both cameras and from your digital recorder into an editor. I use camp Asia because while having it’s it’s easy enough to it’s a nonlinear editor that I particularly like because it’s easy and fast.

    A lot of people

    will use things like premier or Final Cut. And those are great tools if you already know what you’re doing with them. I don’t and I have not invested the time to learn that yet.

    One of the things going to be real important for both the DJI and for the smartphone is you want to power pack. You want a big, big ass power pack. Yeah. Ideally two of them. So I have like 10 of these things laying around. Now

    one thing I like to do is, you know those little smartphone loops that they sell their or they give away conference I want to hear from remember who this is from now to put the logo on it,

    but I strap it to the backup power packs, so that on this tripod

    takes a little finagling but you can take the strap feeds this through the back of your power pack, and then strap the rest of your pole. And that way, there’s a power source that you can plug your phone into. And that way I’ll never run out of power.

    This by the way, also handy you can run your belt through this and have this as a worn on your belt if you’re walking around for the day, and you don’t want to have like a super heavy power pack just like rattling around in your pocket, you look stupid, but you never run out of power. So one of these for your iPhone and one of these for the DJI. And that way neither device runs out of power because the iPhone the iPhone can run about 90 minutes of video easily this guy runs about 17 minutes of video before he runs out of power so having having a power pack externally means that there’s never a problem which is important because if you’re getting set up to speak what will typically happen is you’ll have 15 or 20 minutes sometimes 30 if it’s a really well run conference between sessions so you’ll set up cameras you’ll set up everything you don’t want to run around the last minute Hey record on everything’s we want to do is as soon as the cameras in place you get up plug it into external power hit record, make sure you got plenty of storage hit record and then you can trim it and later in editing. But you want to make sure that you you never

    a situation where you forget to turn on the camera or you run out of time and you will have the ability to turn on the camera. So you want to have all the stuff set up and recording well in advance the audio recorder This is probably the first thing you plug in because that can go straight on the boy. There’s never an issue of a storage capacity because you’re recording an mp3

    and high bit rate mp3 and then this you live like this record like five hours and it will never run out of battery as long as you keep the batteries fresh.

    So that’s the gear right now and it seems like a lot but all this fits literally within one of these little travel cases. And just go straight in your backpack and do not check it. Do not check it when you check your luggage. It goes through rapid temperature changes and electronics plus shock like you know, impact shock plus temperature changes bad so this goes straight in your backpack or your handbag or your carry on and you have a it’s not professional it’s not

    Not a professional rig in the sense of like someone who has a red camera or a big D SLR you know and all the the appropriate gear but this is for most speakers good enough to make you look professional particularly when you do the edits later on and that’s where all the magic really happens in the post production that’s probably a separate video but that’s the gear for today as an early 2019 the links for all this gear if you want to get any of it of course in the company post in the show notes they are Amazon links Full disclosure FTC disclosure their affiliate links I get a

    small commission if you happen to buy anything

    but great question Brian and I would I would recommend I haven’t really liking this DJ camera the image quality is fantastic on it so if you’re going to have one camera to shoot with us this one but we’ve worked out a smartphone and you just get started out a little cameras smartphones cameras good enough you can you can do pretty well that for a really long time until you’re speaking fees or whatever go up enough to be able to afford some of the

    The bigger device so great question. As always, please subscribe to the YouTube channel and the newsletter I’ll talk to you soon want help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems. This is trust insights.ai today and let us know how we can help you.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Passive Consumer Experiences Online?

    You Ask, I Answer: Passive Consumer Experiences Online?

    Michael asks, “What do you think of the prediction that consumers will flock to passive YouTube-like experiences as they detox from social platforms like Facebook that command active interactions?”

    I doubt that we’ll see consumers abandon the Facebooks of the world any time soon. I do think marketers need to have a passive play – several – and there’s a social network most marketers are completely overlooking. Be sure to watch the video to learn which.

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    In today’s episode, Michael asks, What do you think of the prediction that the pendulum is shifting away from active social interactions back to more traditional passive experiences, like YouTube, as people begin to detox from social media platforms that prompt and expect interactions

    is an interesting question. We, when you look at the data around social networks, and around things like YouTube, and stuff, and even traditional TV, there’s still we’re all still competing for the same six hours a day, which is about the amount of time that the average person has when they’re not working, and they’re not sleeping. And what what’s left over is is is about, you know, six to eight hours. And so everybody’s competing for that, including your

    family,

    but the TV the radio, not the radio, because technically audio one of the things that Edison research found in its podcast listening study is that podcasts are very popular form of media, because you can listen to them while you’re doing something else. You can listen to them at work, you can listen to them on your commute, etc. The same is true of terrestrial radio, but video, in particular, YouTube, Hulu, Netflix, Amazon Prime, all these companies are competing for that same six hours a day, roughly give or take

    is that the way the consumer is behaving according to YouTube, they they have 1.9 billion monthly active users, and they have about a billion hours a day consumed on the platform. So if you do the math, people are spending roughly between 30 and 60 hours a day, 30 to 60 minutes a day on YouTube, it’s not clear what the exact number is, and they don’t tell you in their press kit. But given that the case that’s still a relatively small fraction of that six hours of of non scheduled time that people have when we look at the numbers around Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Pinterest, all the major social networks, they are still growing, they are still getting share of market now, not necessarily in in mature markets, like North America or Europe, but they’re still there. Still gathering audience one thing I think that marketers have to be very careful of is that the marketing audience is not the general audience. And so if you spend by nature of your work

    hours a day on Facebook, and you see within your circle of friends, people saying, I’m leaving Facebook, all this all this stuff that they’re doing

    know that that’s not necessarily representative of the population as a whole, the population as a whole is still on Facebook with a billion plus daily active users. People are still spending time on those out now, what do we see for the way the consumers behaving we do see the that interest is pivoting towards Instagram. One of the things that in the trust insights forecast, Instagram is looking at a massive year over year increase in the number of people who are interested in it, searching for it and such. And so definitely make sure that

    when you think about Michael’s question about the passive interactions, facebook, facebook really does focus on that those you know, active interactions. Where is Instagram, I mean, you get a double tap a photo and then scroll on in your feed. Instagram itself is a more passive interaction network and a lot of ways so you’re just consuming images and videos of the stuff that you like. So knowing that interest is going there is important. The other thing we’re seeing is we’re seeing interest in messaging applications skyrocket. We’re talking about Facebook Messenger WhatsApp, WeChat kick line, Tango messages, SMS messages, people are having conversations out of the public eye, in part because the public discussion forums like Facebook’s core platform have gotten so toxic. And then part because people want to talk to their friends.

    And so building the building a robust messaging experience is going to be important because that’s how people are changing their behaviors, you will probably want to look at building a chat bot experience that is a multi platform experience for your marketing properties. That allows you to get permission for people in the application, the chat application and their preference like WhatsApp like text messages like Facebook Messenger, and so on and so forth. Some of the platforms to look at would be platforms like snap, engage, which is a sponsor of marketing over coffee, full disclosure, mobile, monkey chat, fuel, all these companies have multi platform capabilities that allow you to get permission to to message consumers because you want to build that database. If consumers and their behavior has pivoted to messaging, you need to make sure that you have permission and access to them. The other thing is, when you look at the way

    Michaels prediction about passive experiences it is leaning that also includes your owned media properties. So that means things like your website,

    making sure that you invest some time there, a lot of people for the last five years have really let their own media properties atrophy. And we’re surprised when last year and actually if it goes technically, in 2017 was the pivot point

    social media stop sending as much traffic to your website and said, it became search again, because Facebook and and Twitter and all these networks because there’s so adamant about trying to keep you on their network, they were making it more and more difficult for marketers to get traffic out of those networks. And so search became the thing again, well, of course, that means that you need to have a thing that’s worth searching for. So make sure that you investing the time there. But I absolutely agree that you should have a strategy towards some of those past experiences. The third and final thing is that you need to look at some of the niche networks for your vertical and for the way your consumers behave. I’m consumer, by the way, means your customer, b2b, b2c, whatever, it doesn’t matter.

    We see networks like twitch For example, we see networks like discord and slack becoming much more popular private social networks where you can’t see any analytics about them. But you need to be where your customers are. And the only way you’ll figure that is actually asked them. So send out a survey or an email to your customer database and say, Hey, where do you guys spend your time? Where do you spend your time on and then if you see a substantial number of people like yeah, I’m on slack all day, or I’m on discord all day or whatever, you need to spend some time there and, and get to know it and, and build a presence just like you did in the early days of Facebook or Twitter. So there’s a lot more for marketers to tackle. I don’t think active social interactions are going away. I do think they’re going private. I truly believe that people are tired of having trolls commenting on every Facebook status posts. And so you know, friends only is become sort of the default status and really the only network that is left that you can get any decent analytics into

    like the two maybe our

    Twitter and Reddit and and be careful as you get data out of those because each network has its own bias. So just know that one last thing I would say on that front in

    get really good at serving get really good at marketing research. If you’re not really good at it, hire a decent market research firm Edison research is one that I look at because they do it right because as we lose data from these networks, either because the consumer moves or because the network moves and reduces access, you will have to resort to asking people and you’ll have to resort to asking people in a representative way and market research firms are really good at that. So some commentary there for Michael. As always, please subscribe to the YouTube channel case you want those passive experiences and in the newsletter and I’ll talk to you soon. Take care

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Conference Gear for Audio and Video

    You Ask, I Answer: Conference Gear for Audio and Video

    Amy asks, “I saw this cool setup you were using at the marketing profs conference – would you mind sharing what hardware/software you used? I am in the events space and trying to do more independent recordings like this. Thanks!”

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    In today’s episode, Amy asks, I saw this cool setup you’re using at the marketingprofs conference, would you mind sharing what hardware and software used I’m in the event space and tried to do more independent recordings like this

    great question. So Amy was referring to the fact that the, unless explicitly forbidden, I tend to record all of my keynote talks. Because a, I want to know how I sound and I said anything that was useful and be because a lot of cases I want to be able to produce the content and distribute it very, very quickly. Typically, when I do my own video, I will have the video edited and available within 24 hours of the event. So one of those things where

    it’s, it’s helpful to the attendees, they if they wanted to remember something, they couldn’t remember exactly what

    I said, Hey, here’s the video, here’s the audio etc.

    So let me describe some of the equipment that I used do this and some of the software and there’s a separate

    video that

    I have. It’s up on the trust insights YouTube channel, how I do the actual editing process, but I can describe some of it here. So first, let’s talk about the hardware. This little contraption here is a three part tripod and there’s two

    pieces the clamp is by square jellyfish. By the way, all this all the technology pieces are links in the blog post. So check the show notes to get to the actual URLs for all these pieces. They are affiliate links on Amazon. So full disclosure. So there’s the the the smartphone tripod mount. I love this out. Because it rotates

    it can really do portrait or or landscape mode for your phone. I don’t know why anyone would ever record themselves in portrait. But if you want to do video chat or something that’s useful, and it’s just got the expandable clamp so it can take up to a gigantic phone.

    This is a mount by ultra pod. This is the ultra pod to I used to use the grill apologize amounts, but the legs keep breaking on me. So this one’s handy. x is equal to go tabletop or I’ll fold up and I can

    take the Velcro and just sort of strap it

    to a pole and then adjust the head so that I can it’s it’s the correct orientation. I do this a lot with lighting polls. So if there’s an event that has lighting of some kind of strapped to the pole, you know, clamp it down and it’s ready to go. And of course the the smartphone goes in here now the video and the audio are separate.

    So I don’t try and do the audio on the same thing. What I do next

    is

    I will take I have a task cam Dr. 05 which is a very nice audio quarter that the mic goes right in the top here. And then I have the the team of fun the head

    worn headset which is a wireless thing so there’s a piece down here this is piece over here has about a range of 10 ish feet I think give or take and so it’s it’s not bad for for that what I do with that is very straightforward. I take the

    put the chemo fun on the podium usually, or the lectern or whatever is nearby. And then I will record the audio from that on on this got

    here. And this gives me your mp3 or WAV format. Typically for voice, you can restore an mp3 format. I know that if you are doing something high fidelity, like sing or music, you definitely want to record and wave but for voice, it’s fine.

    Um, one of the thing I’ll do is I’ll take a power pack, you know, this little,

    these little ribbon thing is that people give away a conference and trade shows these are fun because

    I stick on the back of the power pack of this. Typically I will put

    on the band of the tripod, right. So I’ll weave this this through here. And this way, I can plug in my power cable right to the smartphone, the phone mount, and that way I don’t have to worry the phone running out of battery wallets do recordings. One critical thing at least for iPhones, I don’t know about Android,

    make sure it’s an airplane mode. When you’re recording video,

    I have had

    unfortunate cases in the past where

    I’ve been recording video, and it went of call came in or something. And that interrupts the app and the video app. I don’t know why Apple doesn’t fix that. But so be it. So those are the major hardware pieces. Remember, audio and video are separate. The audio is at the podium, the video is typically in the back of the room, I’ll try to put as far back as I can, because

    you want to capture the audience if you can, at least as a speaker. So you can see their reactions like everyone’s like, on their phone, playing games, whatever. Okay, clearly no one’s paying attention to this part need to rewrite that part of the speech.

    Now the editing process the audio comes in from the task cam

    take that into Audacity. I like the audacity editor. Because frankly, it’s free.

    And it’s really really good. It now if you are already paying, especially if you’re at an institution, an organization if you’re already paying for Adobe Creative Cloud, then use although we audition to do the audio editing because you’re paying for it will use it.

    The things to do there are trim it normalize that because you can get some

    interesting effects. And you want to do dynamic compression on the audio. So like right now what we’re doing

    here because I’m speaking in a relatively narrow band of audio, meaning I’m not yelling, and I’m not whispering I can just do your typical leveling, but you want to do normalization if you’re doing public speaking, because as a public speaker, some the old have a lot more variants and how loud you are. And so you want to normalize that then

    make a WAV file of that take that take put it into campaign Asia, put your video into camp Asia, and then you line up the audio in the video together so that they are in sync but not a header behind each other. This gives you one additional benefit at least as a speaker and it gives you the house

    and by that I mean house noise because the phones in the back of the room. So the phone is going to pick up some the reverb right. So you want to to do a little ducking incantation to reduce that but for things like q amp a from the audience and especially as a speaker and an events manager if you’re in the if you’re producing audio for events you want applause right you want you want the sounds of the event that people Leo cheering or or laughing along lines and

    the head one Mike does a really

    good job of getting rid of the surrounding noise. So you want to bring some of that back in when you

    when you are doing the editing to. And that’s what the phones audio is going to give you gives you the ability to bring in out the house sounds as you need them.

    And then I’ll take that WAV file typically. And also I’ll take the stage at video once it’s done. And then I’ll feed it to a free tool called f f. MPEG. It is a command line tool. It is a technical tool it is not there is no user interface you have to type commands into the command line but is a very, very powerful tool for converting one type of media to another. And what I will do is I’ll take the final video file and I will have that turned into an mp3 that then becomes either a podcast episode or I will send it to an app called otter Ott er otter.ai that will do machine learning transcription of the audio so for the event I’ll take the transcript I’ll take the audio and turn into a transcript and that way

    you can see the video you can download the audio if you want to listen to it the car you can get the slides as a PDF but you can also get the transcript of the talk as a PDF

    now

    if you if you are running an events company you will want to polish it up because

    it comes out very much as is for a speaker you can find get away with either depending on how much time you have and if you have a VA or not but I really like that because it gives everybody those your talks in the format that they’re most comfortable consuming they Some people like to listen Some people like to watch some people like to read so that’s sort of the process

    for turning a talk into lots of different media and for giving it to people in the form of that they want all this hardware probably after all said and done probably about $200 total

    except for the phone to pay whatever you pay for the phone

    this guy I think it’s like 25 bucks the headsets 50 this guy’s 72 I think there’s anything else

    that’s that’s about it contagious a couple hundred bucks I believe

    but you don’t need to use it you could use like I movie or Windows Movie Maker I personally wouldn’t but I like camp Asia because it can also do is like picture in picture and and diagrams. If some talks at the video isn’t great. I will like show the slides I’ll have the slides been picking a picture and picture whatever if I want to talk to be like really, really well professionally edited.

    Or if I can’t see the screen in the video I captured so that’s the process watch the other video

    and check out the links in the show notes. If you want to get any of this equipment again, disclosure or affiliate links in it. Thanks for watching and please subscribe to the YouTube channel newsletter i’ll talk to you soon

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  • You Ask, I Answer: How To Use YouTube for Organic Marketing

    You Ask, I Answer: How To Use YouTube for Organic Marketing

    Kourtney asks, “How can you use YouTube for organic marketing?”

    YouTube is a search engine. Start by thinking of it as a search engine, rather than a video channel or a social network, even though it’s also those things. Let’s walk through some of the basic tips; be sure to take my free Video SEO 101 class as well!

    • Do your research for what people want
    • Create content in the 8 minute+ realm. (YouTube likes videos longer than 5 minutes because, ads)
    • Follow basic video SEO rules
    • Include calls to action

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    In today’s episode, Courtney asks, How can

    you use YouTube for organic marketing?

    Here’s the thing that a lot of marketers get wrong about YouTube. They think of YouTube as a video platform. Now, it is a video platform. You load videos like this one to YouTube, but functionally, the way consumers use YouTube and the way consumers use YouTube for business purposes is that it is a search engine. It’s not a social networks out of video platform. It is a search engine people search on YouTube for stuff they specifically search and a lot of cases for how how do I if you are doing and if you’re in a business where there’s any kind of question about how do i do something like this video,

    your YouTube videos should be providing that those answers How do I change a kitchen faucet? How do I grow more organic garden? And how do I qualify leads better? How

    do I fill out an RFP in the most efficient way?

    YouTube is a search engine. So because it’s a search engine, treat it like a search engine and approach it with a search strategy in mind, which means of a whole bunch of things. Number one, have you done your research for what people search for on YouTube? There are ways to get at this data. The easiest one is go to Google Trends.

    And under the the network. Where do you see

    content types, there’s web, there’s, there’s mobile, and then there’s YouTube. YouTube is right in there. So you can see what people are searching for on YouTube and compare trends to see what people want.

    So there are also I believe in most of the SEO tools, the professional SEO tools, video searches, that’s a goldmine

    that tells you exactly what to create videos about. Because about people wanting to people are asking you to for answers to their questions. When it comes to creating video for YouTube,

    aim for above the five minute mark. Now

    it doesn’t have to be a 60 minute or a 90 minute movie

    a cinematic film, but it doesn’t need to be longer than five minutes

    Search Engine Land in January of 2018 show that there was a substantial increase in the likelihood your video would be favored by YouTube’s algorithm. It was longer than five minutes because

    well ads YouTube’s you do wants to show ads. And in a five minute video, it can show pre roll, it can probably show post role and it can show at least one interstitial in the video.

    I personally like to try and aim for around the eight minute mark. And I try not to go with the 10 minute mark. And the reason for that is I like to cross post the video to LinkedIn. And LinkedIn doesn’t allow you to do more in a 10 minute video. But

    if you’ve got a topic that you need to explore in depth, go as long as you want. But try to keep it at least to the five minute mark

    when you’re using when you’re creating content for YouTube.

    If you’ve done keyword research,

    and the new question research and you’ve got the video itself, follow basic Video SEO rules. So on YouTube, what are the things that you can customize, you can customize the title, you can customize the description underneath the video, and you can customize the tags that are tagged with and you can also if you don’t like YouTube’s automated transcription, you can provide your own transcript for subtitles. The title is important if you’ve done a keyword research, you know exactly what to put in the title because it should be the the key words plus the logical extensions around them.

    So we’ll say

    how to brew espresso right how to brew espresso, and then some kind of benefit how to brew espresso and five minutes or whatever the cases but your that’s your title, your description contains what the video is about. And you can it’s not limited to 140 characters, you can put in a substantial amount of text. So you could put in the transcript, you can put in a summary, you can put in links, you can put in all sorts of contact information. So that can go into description, make sure your keywords are in there, too, because you want to make sure that that is in the description of the video.

    And then the tags are are sort of the root keyword topics. So if your video is about making us wrestle, then obviously express it would be one of the keywords that goes in the in the tagging section,

    you have the ability to upload custom

    still images. And a number of folks say that you should do that just so that it shows a inappropriate image rather than YouTube. Just randomly selecting a freeze frame and having an awkward preview photo like you know,

    you standard with your eyes closed itself thing.

    And then make sure when you’re uploading the video that there’s three tabs, there’s the basics, there is the advanced, which is where you upload your transcripts in your translations. And this that third tab, which is all your metadata, make sure your metadata is configured. Things like the date, the captioning, any paid promotion, disclosure, all that stuff needs to be in there. Because again, as with regular Google, the more data you provide to help YouTube which is Google understand what the video is about, and why it should be shown to certain people by its algorithm, the better your video will do. So make sure you do that. And finally,

    when it’s come when you’re talking

    about using YouTube organic marketing,

    you better have some calls to action in the video. Every video of mine, it ends with a call to action telling people what to do.

    And some folks go so far as to just like

    hit your right on the nose, say like, hey, down here is the subscribe button hit the red subscribe, and then hit the little bell button

    to make sure you get notified every time a new video is posted. The reason for this is that against in in in Search Engine Land article, I think a search engine and vitamin Search

    Engine Watch one of the algorithms key metrics is how many subscribers did this video generate. And the more subscribers that this video generates, the more important this video must be because people took an action a tangible action so make sure you have an on network call to action but then also have off network calls to action again, hey and everyone’s saying please subscribe to my newsletter. The reason for this is that I would if you’re using this for marketing at some point somebody has to do something you never want to slowly build on rented land and so if you’re building a YouTube following and it’s a huge YouTube following awesome but if YouTube goes away if YouTube changes its its rules on you, which will you know, search engines Do you don’t want to be held hostage to just that platform. So make sure there’s an off network call to action

    as well. I have a full 30 Minute Video SEO

    class a free completely free

    available on the trust insights websites. I’ll

    put a

    link in the in the description

    for the video so that you can go ahead and get that and they’ll be in the blog post as well that goes with it. So make sure that if you’re interested in optimizing your videos more it’s a it’s a good way

    to get going. But that’s how you use YouTube organic marketing create stuff people want remember it has to follow the three evil

    same as all your other content marketing as either educate,

    entertain or engage, which is a way of saying it has to cause an emotional reaction of some kind to the

    videos that it doesn’t make people happy or raid or angry or any kind of strong emotional responses always going to do better than a video that is just purely promotional. Just the same as all of the content marketing. So make sure that your video ultimately meets those criteria. Great question Courtney. Please leave any additional questions or follow ups and look in the comments box below. Leave a comment and of course subscribe to the newsletter and the YouTube channel. Hit the red button

    on YouTube and I’ll talk to you soon. Take care one help solving your company’s data analytics and digital marketing problems.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: How to Create High-Performing Video Marketing

    You Ask, I Answer_ How to Create High-Performing Video Marketing

    Dee asks, “How can I create videos people will watch and engage with?”

    One of the simplest tricks and hacks for high performing video marketing is to convert already high performing content to video. What tools would you use?

    Watch the video for the full walkthrough.

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    In today’s episode D asks, How can I create videos people will watch and engage with? This is a very common question. It is a very important question. Because video takes more time to create than simply just typing a few words out into a document. One of the simplest tricks and hacks for high performing video is to use or convert content that’s already high performing to video format, instead of creating something new from whole cloth all the time, maybe use the 8020 rule take 80% of video should be converting stuff that you know your audience already wants. And 20% new stuff, new experimental things and such. So what would you use? How would you go about doing this? Well, there’s three data sources that would strongly recommend. One is your web analytics to his social media analytics. And three is Seo to. So let’s look at an example of this with the for web analytics. First, I’m in my Google Analytics. Here I am in the left hand side under behavior, I’m going to choose all pages. And I want to choose a time frame that is sufficiently large enough to get a sense of what people care about. So I chose you to date here,

    six months is a good window. And you can see here, these are all the posts that are doing well. And you can see there’s one, this consulting billing rate on just keeps getting coming up over and over again. So one of the things I should probably do is take this blog post, which is a mostly text post with a little bit of interactivity and turn it into a video, I should obviously keep the existing blog post, but essentially read it out loud on video, and then hand it to this post to make sure that it is seen to leverage its or its popularity. Now, one thing you can do, it’s kind of a nice power hack is to change the dates, let’s go back about a year and a half, two years now and look at older content, look at stuff that that was much, much older way back when. And for those posts where it’s relevant to do so like business core competency, ethics and marketing and stuff. Those are the posts that we didn’t see them in the previous screen. But they did well in the past, they are ideal candidates for being refreshed. And there’s no better way to refresh that then to use video as a way to jumpstart those posts and bring them back to life. So I could create a video for that added to the post, then change the post date, update the text as needed. And now I’ve got a brand new post that we know as popular based on years past and can make it work harder for us. So that’s web analytics. Now, let’s take a look at the second place we can look at, which is social media data. I’m going to use IBM Watson Analytics for social media. Here, I’m using the topic of b2b marketing. I’ve program this in and asked Watson to essentially go find all of the content out there in

    forum posts, blogs, videos, social posts, about about b2b marketing, and then I categorize them by sort of the topics that want to break down, what are the things that people are talking about most? Well, Funny enough, it turns out email marketing is part is such a huge part of b2b marketing. So here are some of the top posts in this in these categories. Now, you should absolutely not just rip some rip off somebody else’s content. But you can take the ideas, the general concepts and share your own point of view. So here is one how much is email marketing automation software costs, you can do pricing plans, comparison of products, top 10 most popular stores most powerful traffic generation techniques, Evers versus results, all of these, you can see that these are, these are all about the topic of email marketing. So do I have perspectives of my own on any of these topics, uses an email marketing signatures and email marketing, of course, have topic of perspectives that I could create that I know these are the popular topics, these are the popular concepts, but convert them into video content by creating my own point of view. So I would, I know can do research broadly about what people care about, but make a video of it. And then the third year, of course, is Seo data, we can look at content that’s high ranking. And again, don’t rip off other people’s work, but look at the concepts and provide points of view. So this one I took social media marketing, what are some social media marketing campaigns, five bad habits that will tank your social media marketing a five ways a Twitter purge, six ways you can use yoga principles, and so on and so forth, there are again, so many perspectives and points of view that we could have that would inform a great video that someone else has already done the research and the work of identifying the broad concepts. Now, what is our point of view in terms of creating video content about these things. So five bad habits, little tank, your social media marketing, or their bad habits that I see social media marketers doing that are disrupting their marketing. Of course,

    the use of of copy bots is a really good example, don’t use copy. But it’s it will go very badly. If you’re not familiar, copy bot is simply a piece of automated software that just blatantly copy somebody else’s feed, right. So it copies Instagram feed or a Twitter feed, don’t use them the terrible

    and they’re also a copyright violation on which expose you to all sorts of legal issues. But

    anyone who’s been in the field for more than six months has some sense of what works and what doesn’t in social media marketing. And so by looking at these general topics, like bad habits, social media marketers, you can create content that you know, people will engage with, because it’s already high performing someone else has already has a their point of view, we want to create our point of view. So

    those the three data sources of those three, I would start with your web analytics, unless you have no content at all, you have no blog, if you get your your website is literally just a brochure, if you have a blog, then you want to start with web analytics, because it is your content, it is the most unique to you. And it already contains your points of view, and it is your intellectual property. So you have absolutely no issues whatsoever, you know, just literally reading the your previous content out loud social media marketing data is where I would say, social media and SEO data or a blend, they should be, you know, wait them equally do one from do one video from one source, do another video from another source, go back and forth and see which is more relevant to your audience of those two, I would lean a little bit more heavily on search data only because people type things into Google, they wouldn’t say out loud.

    And this is this is an important thing to think about is is what will people type into Google that they might be embarrassed to say in a conversation, if you are, say, a b2b marketing like a I don’t know what lead scoring is, probably don’t want to admit that particularly on like a professional network like LinkedIn. But you absolutely type in what is the lead scoring into Google into Google or Bing search engine of your choice. So

    but still use both to get a sense of the tone and tenor and the flavor of conversation around these topics, and then create videos around those topics. So that’s the answer to how do you create videos that people will watch and engage with create stuff that people want? As always, please subscribe to the YouTube channel and newsletter. I’ll talk to you soon. Take care

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Video Marketing Strategy for Companies

    You Ask, I Answer_ Video Marketing Strategy for Companies

    Hana asks, “Why don’t more companies use video marketing and live streaming?”

    The short answer is that because they have no plan, they won’t do anything due to risk aversion and lack of perceived value. To launch a video marketing initiative (or frankly, any marketing initiative), you need 6 concepts and 3 plans in place. The six concepts:

    • Goals
    • Research
    • Strategy
    • Tactics
    • Execution
    • Measurement

    The three plans:

      • Overall marketing plan of action
      • Cost/benefit analysis
      • Crisis plan

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    In today’s episode mana asks, Why do most corporations not take advantage of live streaming and video marketing for their businesses? The answer to this question is that they’re usually lacking six key things. Six things you need to make video marketing successful. Six things you need to make any kind of marketing successful. Number one is you need a goal. What are you trying to accomplish from a business perspective video for video sake is fun, it’s tinkering. But if there’s no actual goal, then you’re gonna have a really hard time getting budget and funding and approval for a formal video project something other than you know, shooting stuff on your smartphone.

    Once you have that you need the second thing you need his research. What sorts of information do you need to gather about the process

    US of video marketing or the process of live streaming that will be impactful that will yield intelligent results that will you’ll good results. So what do you need to know about the different strategies do you need to know about the different tools, the different vendors and things like that No research means you’re just going to probably go through a lot of iterative cycles and take a very, very long time to launch and possibly make some avoidable mistakes. The third thing you need is a video marketing strategy which is goals times those methods. It is the why of you. You’re doing the video specifically for the fourth thing, you need our tactics. What are you going to choose to do? What are you going to choose not to do? This involves everything from budget like what what a budget you have is going to constrain your limits to channels, what channels should you be doing stuff on to how many people are you gonna need to do the thing so your tactics are

    The fourth thing, the fifth thing you’re going to need is an execution strategy, a plan of execution, what’s the methodology? What’s the script? Was the template what’s the the pieces you need to make video marketing work well for you, that can be things like the schedule when you’re going to do these episodes because you should always with video with any kind of content marketing really have regular frequent

    content that is available at the same place and time on a regular basis. One of the things that I asked in one of my marketing keynotes is how many people remember when Seinfeld was on when and what channel and these days still about anywhere from a third to a fourth of the audience. A third to half of the audience remembers that Seinfeld was on Thursday nights at nine on NBC back in you know, 20 No, yeah, 20 years ago now,

    which is astonishing. Someone remembers the day in time of a TV show.

    Many years later, because it was great content that was available at a specific place in time on a regular repeatable basis. The same is true for any kind of marketing that you’re doing. Your email newsletter, for example, should be on the same day in time, generally, so that people know to expect at those times.

    So your execution strategy has got to incorporate timing, it’s got to incorporate the methodology it’s got to incorporate software and workflows and things like that, like

    if you search on on the YouTube channel, you should be able to find the video of of the process of putting together these daily videos extensive process but that process is the execution strategy to make sure it is as efficient as possible. And the sixth and final thing that you need to make video marketing or live streaming and whatever successful within the enterprise is you need a measurement strategy and the measurement strategy has to be more than hey we got X number of viewers or this video got X number of views unless views is your only benchmark so

    If you are a publisher, or you’re you’re trying to build a publishing channel, where you’re going to monetize that channel solely with eyeballs in video advertising, then yes, views would be inappropriate metric. But for everything else, things like reach and awareness,

    things like lead conversion or in store visits, you’re going to need a much more robust measurement strategy, which takes all your video data into account, but then blends it with all the rest of your marketing data. And as part of a robust attribution analysis strategy. If you don’t have that, then you’re not going to prove the value of what you’re doing. So those are the six things that you need to pull off a good video marketing strategy or good live streaming strategy. And

    lots of companies don’t have those in place for anything much less for video marketing. So that’s the reason why many companies are hesitant to take advantage of newer technologies. Without that plan, risk aversion becomes the default response. No, that’s still

    risky What if we screw it up? What if we publish things silly? What if people laugh at us? What if we cause legitimate legal or financial complications, especially for publicly traded companies. And for companies that operate with very sensitive data, you absolutely want to mitigate your risk. And so taking advantage of new channels is very difficult for people to do. Because

    without that plan of action, there’s no way to show that you’ve accounted for risk. A big part of getting a pilot approved for at a company is drafting out this comprehensive six part plan and then spending some time especially on the governance side of things to say, Hey, this is how we are planning to mitigate and avoid risk where these are the things we’ve done and these are the almost like the crisis plans we’ve set in place so that if something does go wrong, we have a procedure in place

    To handle it, doing things like that, where you have the cost benefit analysis, where you have the plan of action that shows you thought through everything, and you have the crisis plan is generally going to reassure stakeholders enough that they’ll, they’ll be comfortable with the pilot program, if not a full fledged outright program. But you need those three different plans in detail to get those approvals at the most regulated companies. Now, if you’re a small startup or whatever, or you’re at a very aggressive company

    can probably do whatever you want, as long as it generates results. But for more traditional companies, you’re going to need those three pieces. So great question. It speaks a lot to corporate culture. It speaks a lot to that planning process. But if you have the planning process in place, if you’ve done your homework and you’ve put together a solid plan, there’s a good chance that you can get your your video marketing or your live streaming

    pilot project off the ground. As always, please subscribe to the YouTube channel in the newsletter and I’ll talk to you soon take

    care

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  • You Ask, I Answer: 10 Tips for Starting a Business Podcast

    You Ask, I Answer_ 10 Tips for Starting a Business Podcast

    Genevieve asks, “What tips would you give to someone wanting to start a podcast?”

    Having been a podcaster since 2005, I have so many. Let’s start with the basics.

    1. For business, have clear, measurable goals.
    2. Start small. Your smartphone and a $40 headset or mic are good enough.
    3. Your first 10 episodes will suck. Acknowledge it.
    4. Use AI to transcribe if you don’t have time to do it yourself. Text is still how search engines find things, even today.
    5. Be regular and frequent – the Seinfeld rule.
    6. Great content follows the 3E rule – so must your podcast.
    7. Podcasters always worry about the tools – worry about the audience.
    8. Expect to pay for ads to grow your audience unless you already have massive brand equity.
    9. Measure your podcast with Google Analytics™ and traffic to your podcast website. Downloads aren’t useful.
    10. The most powerful marketing tool for your podcast is an email list. Build with that as a secondary goal to your overall business goal.

    Watch the full video for details on each of the tips:

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    One of the best guides to podcasting is by Blubrry. Check theirs out.

    I wrote a series a little while back on marketing your podcast as well.

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    JOHN we have asks in today’s you ask I answer. What are some tips you would give to someone wanting to start a podcast. Now I’m going to assume this is for business purposes. If you’re going to do this for personal purposes podcasting far fewer best practices exist as a student for fun. And that’s totally awesome and I would encourage people if you want to start a podcast for fun. Great, go for it for business. There are sort of 10 basics that I think are important for starting a podcast and doing it well for business purposes. Number one, first and foremost, kind of clear measurable goals. Why are you doing a podcast. What is the the end goal that you want to support if you don’t have this don’t do the podcast and it’s true of any form of marketing. If you don’t have a goal, don’t do it. So even waste your time number to start small, your smartphone and a $40 headset like this wireless one here or.

    This little Wiimote of ads. It plugs right into your headphones is good enough podcast just tend to worry a lot about the technology, the tools and the gear is good enough to start once you get some traction. Once you get some audience, then you can start to worry about all the other stuff like really expensive microphones and things. Number three, your first 10 episodes are gonna suck acknowledge it. That’s just the way it is expecting your podcast to be perfect out of the gate. Not going to happen and your show will evolve over time there will be

    changes and how you do stuff. There’ll be updates and upgrades along the way. So, but acknowledged the first 10 episodes will be awful. They will be the things that you will go back and laugh at and that’s okay. Number four, use artificial intelligence transcribe your show. If you don’t have time to do it yourself by hand text is still how search engines find things even, you know, it’s still 2018.

    But search engines still use text. First, there are a number of good services Amazon transcribed just came out of beta there’s auto dot AI,

    there are there’s Google speech to text Watson speech to text from IBM a number of good services that can transcribe at very very low cost. So take a look at them, I would say, give,

    give, Google Watson and Amazon a shot at transcribing a podcast. My recommendation is read off of a set of prepared notes and then

    record your reading of it then stick it into each of the services and then which and compare the transcripts that come back and whichever is the one that’s most accurate for your voice use that service because different services handle

    the way people speak differently

    Google seems to do best with my voice in the way I speak because I tend to speak very, very quickly. The other services, don’t do as good a job, they kind of Mangle.

    things a little bit number five be regular and frequent follow the Seinfeld rule. Whenever I speak about podcasting and marketing in general I will ask the audience

    unless it’s like entirely people under the age of 30, but I’ll ask the audience when was Seinfeld on them and the folks a little more gray hair and audience all also it was Thursdays at nine okay what channel NBC and I always point out to them, you know, you still know this. This is almost 20 years is more than 20 years later now Seinfeld went off the air in 1997. Why do you still know when Seinfeld was on because it was great content and it was on regularly and frequently. So those those rules your contents got to be good but also should be regular and frequent and scheduled so that if your show is good people know when to expect it. People know when to look for it. And one of the signs of success for podcasting blogging any form of content more.

    Really is if you miss an episode someone least someone hopefully a lot of someone’s all go Hey, where’s this week’s thing where is it

    that shows that you’re doing it right, because people want it and they miss it and they know when it’s supposed to be there. Number six, great content follows the three he rule content has to be engaging educational or entertaining one of those three things has to be true in order for content to be good. Ideally, that’s all three if you can if you can hit entertain engage and and educate all at the same time you’ll do great content if your content has none of those No one’s going to listen to the show.

    Number seven podcast is always worried about the tools worry about the audience focus on growing your audience

    unless you have a defined audience from the start, like say employee is just doing an employee podcast that you know you that you don’t have to worry about growing it.

    beyond the confines of your company, but if you’re trying to grow it for marketing purposes worry more about getting audience and worry about the tools. What microphone you should be using really important number eight expect to pay for ads to support your show, unless you already have massive brand equity. Now if Walmart or Amazon

    wants to roll out a podcast and they want to, you know, put it on the front page of their respective websites, guess what they’ll have a million subscribers tomorrow easy

    but for everybody else we can’t do that real another good example. Will Smith when he started his Instagram account 10 million subscribers almost immediately why because he’s entertaining engaging

    and sometimes educational but he has massive brand equity. He had no trouble getting that because people already love him. Most of us are not that situation. Most of us are not Will Smith, so expect to pay for ads. The idea that you can use social media unpaid alone to grow your podcast isn’t going to happen anymore.

    have to use advertising the cheapest advertising right now is display through really good DSP and Facebook and Instagram. That’s where you’re going to find the the lowest cost advertising. As of April 2018, so that will will change over time. So always be on the lookout for where the the next easy to access audiences number nine measure your podcast with Google Analytics and traffic to your podcast website downloads are not useful. They are no longer useful tool because so many services will grab the raw audio file, but they will then cash, they will keep a copy of it so that they can serve it up to, subscribers without having to re download and hit your server over and over again. And so that’s not a reliable measure of your shows growth, it’s, it can be directional but it’s still not great Google Analytics and traffic to your podcast website or to your podcast page on your corporate website.

    The way to go because you can see how many people are actually showing up there

    and that’s a good a much better barometer plus if you focus on traffic to the podcast website, then you will get all of the attribution that for all your other conversion goals like you know form fills and things on your website that come from have it using Google Analytics as the standard the gold standard for measurement finally number 10 the most powerful tool that you can build with your podcast for your podcast is your email list your podcast should have an email newsletter, it should go out every time a new episode goes out, it should contain the show notes for that episode and

    growing that list is your secondary Business School, whatever your primary business goal is that everyone that’s still obviously the most important form bills, whatever, but the secondary goal should be getting people to subscribe to an email list because again you can measure that you can identify it.

    Visual people with that and that is an asset that everybody in marketing can use it is you know the the sales team can use it the CRM can use it. Your retargeting and remarketing lists can use it. And so

    an email is just an absolutely essential part of building your podcast so great question. JOHN def in terms of what tips you need to start a podcast. These are the starting 10 there was an entire universe of podcast marketing out and I’ll put a link in in the show notes to a blog post series that I wrote as well. So make sure that you check out the notes to this episode as always thank you for watching this is subscribe to the audio for this as a podcast as well. And I’ll put a little link in the notes to that as well. Thanks for watching as always subscribe to the YouTube channel an email newsletter and I’ll talk to you soon. Take care.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: What Writing Samples Should Be In Your Portfolio?

    You Ask, I Answer_ What Writing Samples Should Be In Your Portfolio_

    Rob asks, “What writing samples should I have ready if I’m applying for jobs in the PR industry?”

    Disclosure: I no longer work in the PR industry, and even when I did, I was doing marketing technology. It’s possible things have changed.

    PR is fundamentally about helping lesser known companies become known, and improving the reputation of known companies. Writing samples should include elevating boring stuff to be interesting, and demonstrating multimedia skills. Watch the video for more details.

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    In today’s you ask I answer Rob asks what sort of writing sample. Should I have in my portfolio. If I’m going to work in the public relations or communications industry now disclosure, I don’t work in the public relations industry anymore. I did for about five years. But even in the industry. I worked in marketing technology, not the communications

    role that said

    Public

    Relations and Marketing Communications very often is about creating content about

    the product or service about

    the brand and in a fair number of cases,

    the brand or the product or service are not particularly compelling. There’s a reason why companies go and hire public

    relations firms. Sometimes it’s just because they don’t have enough bandwidth to do it themselves,

    but an awful lot of the time it’s because because

    they don’t really have a very good story to tell and the best firms help tell that story better but even still, there’s only so much you can do with a left hand and smoke shifter. Right. As an example, a silly example there’s only so many stories. You can tell about that thing.

    So for someone looking to work in the industry and wants to demonstrate their potential value to an employer,

    they would need to demonstrate that they can write compelling copy compelling

    blog posts violence, etc about really boring stuff stuff that

    if you were to put in any other context, no one would want to read.

    So

    any writing samples any content, you’ve created about things that are not especially compelling that demonstrates your skill as a writer to take something that’s very mundane and elevate it to something that’s at least worth reading going to be the kind of thing that you want to have in your portfolio.

    So

    for example, a press release is just about the most boring piece of copy you couldn’t possibly write a really good example of one that isn’t boring

    is one that Opera Software did number years ago where

    there was a little slider on it that allowed you to add less or more corporate jargon very a very funny way

    to highlight just how garbage filled. These things are usually

    if you can demonstrate and show

    outreach and pitching letters sales letters you’ve written, things like that. Because public relations is basically it’s a sales job with no commissions, which is just about the worst sales job there is you’re selling the idea of a story to somebody who

    might not want to buy that story, a journalist and influencer publication blog.

    So anything you can show that illustrates here’s how I can write a compelling pitch that serves the interests of the publication or the influencer that’s something that should be in your portfolio as well. So,

    good question.

    The good news is that

    when you’re putting together your portfolio. You don’t have to have done this, you know, previously in order to assembly samples, you can write them right now you can write them today

    with no experience and just have that portfolio of stuff of writing examples of things you’ve written blog posts ebooks

    articles

    and increasingly. One of the things you’ll want to have is the ability to show multimedia skills. Here’s an audio podcast episode I created. He is a video I created

    because the ability to work more than one media format is essential today

    in the world market. So,

    great question. Question Rob, as always, please subscribe to the YouTube video channel and to newsletter and I’ll talk to you soon. Take care.

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