Category: World of Warcraft

  • What Warcraft’s Isle of Conquest Can Teach You About Marketing Focus

    “All in!”

    That’s a familiar refrain you’ll hear as your team of 40 soldiers of the Alliance or Horde attempts to kill off the opposition’s general in World of Warcraft’s 40-man battleground, Isle of Conquest.

    IoC

    For those that don’t play, here’s the scenario in short. You and 39 other players face the opposition on a large battlefield with one objective: knock down the gates to your enemy’s keep, storm inside, and kill their general. There are several methods of doing so, but in the end, once the gates fall, you face either Overlord Agmar or High Command Wyrmbane, and your entire team (or a significant portion of them) must attack the enemy general. He’s too strong for just a few players to handle effectively. Oh, and the enemy team is trying to do the same thing to your keep and your general.

    In order for your team to win an Isle of Conquest battleground, you have to do several things right. First, your team has to seize one or more battlefield objectives, such as the workshop or docks that make vehicles with which you can knock down walls.

    Second, your team has to coordinate and work together. Alliance players of this battleground know the acute pain of watching glaive siege vehicles get destroyed by the enemy and having fellow players stand around obliviously.

    Third, your team has to focus. Isle of Conquest demands that you pick a strategy and stick to it. Sending 5 people to each of the battlefield’s 7 objectives is a sure way to lose, as a small squad will simply get overrun and crushed. The path to victory lies in seizing two objectives (usually docks and hangar) with overwhelming force and then focusing on bringing the enemy’s walls down. Once the walls are down, everyone cries “All in!” and (ideally) everyone converges on the boss.

    When your team nails its strategy and executes on it, victory is swift. Usually the battle is over in just a few minutes on those painfully rare occasional. When your team is scattered and unfocused, defeat is equally swift as the enemy steamrolls you.

    This, of course, should sound familiar to anyone in marketing. When you try to do too much with a fixed pool of resources, whether they’re 40 players or a handful of marketing dollars, your efforts are rarely rewarded and often brutally punished in the short-term. When, alternately, you focus on just a couple of objectives and one goal, you can have much, much greater impact, especially for short-term objectives and goals.

    Ask yourself this question: what are you calling “All in!” on in your own marketing programs? What deserves that much focus and effort that you’re willing to strike hard and fast to achieve?


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  • Doing the hard work

    One of the interesting quirks about professions in World of Warcraft is that to be able to craft all of the items in your profession, you either have to have or know someone with other professions. For example, virtually every tailor is going to learn how to make the Netherweave Robe. It’s a straightforward crafted item requiring only cloth and thread.

    Pattern: Netherweave Robe - Item - World of Warcraft

    By comparison, the Brightcloth Robe requires both cloth and gold bars to make (it’s REALLY bright). The average tailor isn’t also a miner, which means that in order to make this robe, you either have to know a miner who can go out and mine some gold, then smelt it into bars, or you have to buy it in the in-game auction house at prices high enough that the robe isn’t profitable to make.

    Pattern: Brightcloth Robe - Item - World of Warcraft

    As a result, there are a lot of people selling (and competing with each other to sell) Netherweave Robes each day:

    Netherweave Robe - US Earthen Ring Alliance - The Undermine Journal

    Meanwhile, there’s usually only one or two Brightcloth robes available for sale:

    Brightcloth Robe - US Earthen Ring Alliance - The Undermine Journal

    The more complicated the recipe, the less likely it is the average person is going to make it and sell it. For example, here’s the Earthen Silk Belt, which requires 4 different professions to make (leather working, mining, blacksmithing, tailoring):

    Earthen Silk Belt - US Earthen Ring Alliance - The Undermine Journal

    There’s an obvious market opportunity there.

    What does this have to do with your marketing or business?

    Think about all of the things everyone has access to, the easy stuff.

    Think of all of the things in marketing that are hard.

    Everyone and their cousin is using Facebook. Very few people (relatively speaking) are using Facebook’s API.

    Everyone’s using Twitter. Very few people are taking Twitter data and washing them through statistical analysis programs.

    Everyone’s doing email marketing (in many cases, very poorly). Very few people are optimizing their programs with A/B testing (less than 1% in many cases).

    What are the things that are hard to do? Does the hard work suck? Yes. Logging into 4 different characters to access 4 different professions sucks. It’s much simpler and easier to log into one character and do the easy stuff, but that’s not where the opportunity is. Do the hard work, because human nature indicates pretty clearly that most people won’t, and opportunities are nearly boundless in that space.


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  • What World of Warcraft can teach you about blue ocean strategy

    I recently switched up professions that I use to generate gold in World of Warcraft. Prior to about a month ago, I sold glyphs via inscription – an intensely competitive, high volume commodity business that required a lot of attention and focus, not to mention vicious price undercutting. It was a good business, but it was a tiring one. Of the time that I spend playing World of Warcraft, about half of that was consumed by the glyph business – in other words, 50% of the time was spent not actually playing.

    I started to ask myself, what if there were a blue ocean strategy available here? For those unfamiliar with blue ocean strategy, it can be summed up succinctly as:

    Don’t compete if you don’t have to. Find an unexplored market niche to dominate, free of competitors, and you win.

    So I started looking around. I have high level characters with blacksmithing, tailoring, enchanting, inscription, herbalism, mining, and engineering professions. I took a look at each of them and then said, what about tailoring?

    Screen Shot 2012-07-16 at 7.04.17 AM

    Unlike professions that use mining or herbalism, tailoring’s raw materials are considerably more constrained, and it’s an uninteresting profession to slog through. Turns out, there are few tailors cranking out very few of the tailoring profession’s goods, and some of these are highly desired in order to make your character look a certain way. Jackpot!

    So how’s it been going? In the past month I’ve been able to reduce the amount of time I spend gold making by 75%, giving me that much more time to actually play the game. It’s a huge increase in efficiency for about the same amount of income generated, which has made things a lot more fun in-game.

    The lesson here? I found the boring profession that still had output people wanted. There was demand and almost no supply. Blue ocean strategy doesn’t have to be about trying to invent something new and fancy – look at the old stuff, the stuff that no one wants to do, the stuff that’s boring, the stuff that’s hard – and do that. There may be less demand (because people are accustomed to those goods and services simply not being available) but there’s much less competition for supply, so profit is still possible.

    Ask yourself this: what are you overlooking in your own business or industry that’s boring, unexciting, hard, or unappealing, and how can you profit from it?


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  • What are your marketing conditioning exercises?

    Last night as I was wrapping up one of the green belt classes at the dojo, I shared two conditioning exercises for the students to try that help build basic flexibility and core body motion for the three foot staff. The exercises are elegantly simple – one involves turning the stick with one hand in a figure 8 fashion, and the other involves doing the exercise with a thick rope and not moving the arm. Neither of these exercises are intended for use as anything other than flexibility and agility builders, but they’re still vitally important. Get proficient at the exercise and your ability to use the three foot stick in a self-protection situation will increase commensurately.

    Almost every physical discipline has something similar. Bowling, golf, running, boxing, you name it – every participant who’s got some experience and time under their belts has conditioning exercises that help them become better at their chosen sport or practice. The exercises are designed to either teach a repetitive tactic or simulate important motions in a safe, repeatable fashion to build skill. Even World of Warcraft has conditioning exercises, in the form of training dummies in capital cities for players to test their skills on:

    Training dummy in Stormwind

    Why, then, do we not have any conditioning exercises for the thing that earns us our incomes as digital marketers? Why don’t we have practices that let us build up skill in safe, nearly consequence-free ways?

    The truth is, most people – managers included – are so busy keeping their heads above water that they never step back to figure out what those practices would even be. It’s just assumed that the work is the practice – but a high stakes practice. Consider what it takes to become good at email marketing – screwups like sending to the wrong list or linking to the wrong offer are part of the territory. Now consider that in the context of someone new managing your 4 million person database and it gets scary.

    Let’s then take a look at what some conditioning exercises might be for digital marketers:

    Blogging. This one’s simple and easy: encourage employees who are writing for the company to have, maintain, and grow a personal blog. Make sure that you allocate some time for them to blog personally during their work time, maybe an hour a week or every other week so that they get their practice time in, and actively review it with them, helping them become better bloggers and writers.

    Email marketing. Hey, if they’ve got a blog, why not help them get set up with their own mailing list? Frankly, there’s no better way to learn an email marketing system than, well, to send a lot of email. At the same time, you don’t want to burn down your corporate house list, but by having a personal email list, you can effectively practice sending twice as much email, and an employee’s personal list is a great opportunity for them to hone each of the skills needed in building, growing, and reaping the benefits of an email list.

    Analytics: I shared this the other day, but it’s worth looking at again. Look at how Cynwise analyzed the state of warlocks in the most recent World of Warcraft expansion. It’s a terrific analysis that uses all of the skills that you would want of any market analyst. It’s also totally risk-free – he gets to practice creating and analyzing data, but if he gets it wrong, it’s not like he’s going to cause a company to make a wrong investment. At most his warlock’s DPS will suffer.

    Management: Want to teach someone how to manage and lead to a clear objective? Have them practice by leading a raid in World of Warcraft. You have everything you need for actual management – a clear objective, a path to progress with a known outcome, subordinates at varying levels of performance and interest in their duties, and “employees” who you have to use a variety of different motivational tactics on in order to achieve your potential. Again, this is a risk-free environment to practice and condition the skills you need in business. No one will file a lawsuit or fire you from your day job if your raid fails to down Ultraxion.

    What are some of your personal conditioning exercises as a digital marketer? What things do you practice regularly outside of the 9-to-5 in order to become a better marketer? Share your conditioning exercises in the comments!


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  • What Noblegarden can teach us about opportunity

    This week in World of Warcraft, it’s the Easter-like holiday known as Noblegarden, where Azeroth celebrates fertility and the coming of the spring harvest. As part of the week-long holiday, Brightly Colored Eggs are scattered around a variety of villages. You compete with other players to find and collect as many eggs as possible. Here, for example, is the village of Dolanaar, with arrows highlighting all of the competing players:

    Noblegarden

    Bear in mind, Dolanaar is normally a completely abandoned town. That it has this many people competing for eggs is downright crazy. This is roughly akin to having the city of Los Angeles all show up in your backyard for your family egg hunt.

    This is, of course, on the first day of Noblegarden, so the player base is energized to go out and collect eggs. Everyone’s excited, everyone’s competing fiercely, people are yelling at each other, and if players could physically collide or shove each other around, they probably would. Being World of Warcraft, if players could kill each other for eggs, they probably would.

    This is Dolanaar by Thursday during the week of Noblegarden:

    Dolanaar

    Crickets. If you wanted to do the holiday and collect the maximum number of eggs with a minimum of competition, the latter half of the week (when the excitement has clearly worn off) is when you should be doing it.

    There are periods of time when everyone’s attention is in one spot, when there’s a perception of urgency that may be false. Certainly, if Noblegarden was only a day long, then you’d want to get out there and compete while the opportunity lasted, vicious though it might be. But when the opportunity is a week long and everyone’s forgotten about it and gotten back to business halfway through it, then the best strategy for maximum productivity is to bide your time, push away that false sense of urgency, and do what’s most productive while you wait for everyone else to leave.

    It’s not easy at all. You feel like you’re missing out on something. You don’t feel like you’re part of the crowd. You feel strange, out of sync, and a bit like the kid who didn’t get invited to the party. But if you can subjugate those feelings, you can accomplish much more than the feeding frenzy mentality folks do, with far less stress and frustration.

    Obviously in real life, you don’t necessarily have a set, known schedule of when an opportunity begins and ends like Noblegarden, but the ability to take a step back and ask, “Is this the most productive use of my time and the available opportunity?” is still the most vital question you need to ask.


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  • How to get better answers to your marketing questions

    Probably the most common answer I give to nearly every marketing question I’m asked is “it depends”. While deeply unsatisfying, it’s also the most truthful answer that’s possible for so many questions. Here are a few examples:

    What’s the best social network for my business?

    It depends. Where are your customers?

    Should I join networking groups like BNI or the Chamber of Commerce?

    It depends. I work for a company whose ideal audience is the Fortune 500. Most of those folks don’t show up at the local Chamber events. Your ideal audience might be working professionals who attend those kinds of events in droves.

    What’s the best time to [insert social media activity]?

    It depends. When is your audience actually paying attention to you?

    In the beginning stages of any kind of profession or discipline, there are definite right and wrong answers.

    Is there a correct way to throw a punch or put on an effective wrist lock? Yes, for beginners, there certainly is. We teach this in the martial arts white belt classes.

    Is there a best general rotation for subtlety rogues in World of Warcraft? For beginners, Shadowstep, Ambush, Hemorrhage or Backstab to 5 combo points, and Eviscerate will solve about 90% of your DPS problems.

    Rogue

    Once you get past the beginner’s stage, however, you get into a territory where the answers aren’t clear cut, and they never, ever will be. Take this as a good sign, a sign that you’ve learned, you’ve grown, you’ve made progress and gotten early gains that have taken you to the next level (literally, in World of Warcraft). Look how the answers change once you have some experience.

    Is there a correct way to throw a punch or put on an effective wrist lock? It depends on what your opponent is doing. The correct way to throw a punch at someone charging at you with a machete is very different than the correct way to throw a punch at someone who is wrestling you to the ground.

    Is there a best general rotation for subtlety rogues in World of Warcraft? It depends on whether you’re playing PvP or PvE. If it’s PvP, then you have to take into account what your opponent is doing and who they are. You may not want to open with Shadowstep if you’ve got a mage who can blink out at the first sign of trouble. Sap them, open with Ambush, and when they blink, Shadowstep and Gouge or Blind to shut them down.

    If you’re asking around with a burning question, and you get “it depends” as an answer, take it as a sign that you need to dig in more and provide more details, more specifics, so that you can get to a better answer. This is a big step, a difficult step for a lot of people who got comfortable with easy questions and answers as a beginner. The more exacting and rigorous you are with your questions, the better and more refined answers you’ll get, answers that will help you to solve your problems and keep you moving forward.

    For example, instead of asking, “What’s wrong with my SEO? I’m not getting any results?”, ask very specifically, “I’ve noticed that my site traffic is down primarily in referring sources – search and direct have remained pretty consistent.” That should lead you to the next question, which is, which referring sources are down? Were you getting a lot of traffic from social media sites, and if so, is one of them responsible for the tail-off in traffic? If so, what are you doing differently, or how has your audience changed?

    To get better answers, ask better, more refined, more specific questions, and you’ll soon find yourself at levels of skill and insight that you never previously thought possible.


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  • Tighten your helmet straps

    The elfen rogue paced almost nervously around the stables. Hidden in the shadows, ducking from alcove to alcove, she awaited the inevitable arrival of her enemies. She constantly stared at the grasses and rocks nearby, looking for the telltale signs of someone nearby who shouldn’t be – blades of grass at unnatural angles, pebbles freshly turned over. Nothing yet.

    Kesagiri @ Earthen Ring - Game Guide - World of Warcraft

    Her ears perked up. In the distance, she heard the rhythm of hoofbeats as a beast with rider approached. She peeked around the nearest corner and saw a warrior on a grey wolf thundering up the road, the setting sun glinting off his gold-trimmed plate armor. He certainly was making no effort to hide his approach, but then again, with that much armor, why would he need to? She hefted her daggers one last time, catching the scent of the crippling poisions covering each blade, and prepared herself.

    The warrior dismounted near the barn and shouted something in a guttural language the elf couldn’t understand, but recognized as a rallying cry. At that very moment, the rogue stepped quickly through the shadows and ambushed him, stabbing a dagger deep into his back at precisely the right spot between the plating. He screamed and turned to find his assailant, only to have an eye gouged with another knife almost magically appearing. The warrior swung desperately with his battle axe, but the poisons and injuries skewed his aim, hitting the rogue with only a glancing blow. The elf ducked under a second swing of the massive axe and ripped both daggers across the warrior’s belly, just at the seam where the chest plating ended and the belt began. His guts literally fell to the ground as he passed away from the evisceration.

    The rogue stepped back, catching her breath and triumphantly removing her own leather mask to look at her work. She’d successfully defended herself against a heavily armored monster that could have cleaved her in two. The stables were safe for the moment, a vital point for her faction’s eventual conquest of the basin. The elf sat down to catch her breath and grab a drink of water. A lesson from the past, from her teacher, a master rogue himself, drifted into her mind: the first thing you do after you win a battle is to tighten your helmet straps. She chuckled quietly, wondering what her teacher would think of her now after downing a superior assailant, and reached for her daggers.

    In the blink of an eye, she felt a searing pain and wetness as the water in her stomach mixed with her blood, both running down her torso from a gaping wound. Her daggers slipped loosely from her fingers. The warrior’s hidden companion, another rogue, had appeared behind her and run her through with a wickedly serrated sword.

    The last thing she saw was her killer’s tusked, toothy grin as he vanished into the shadows of the stables, awaiting his next victim as she had just done. Her teacher had been right, but she’d have to wait until her next life to tell him that.

    **

    Players of World of Warcraft will certainly recognize the above scene as a typical 2 minutes in the Arathi Basin battleground. The core lesson for us all, whether in marketing, management, or gameplay, is the rogue’s lesson: the first thing you do after you win a battle is tighten your helmet straps. That’s a lesson from the Japanese martial arts and an admonishment that we are often sloppiest after a big win. Tighten your helmet straps, immediately get ready for the next battle even as you celebrate, and you’ll avoid being ambushed by a competitor intent on winning out over you.


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  • The zero resilience Warcraft PvP marketer

    Gyunyuchan @ Earthen Ring - Game Guide - World of WarcraftIn World of Warcraft, player vs. player combat (PvP) is one of the most engaging, frustrating, and defining aspects of the game. You match up with other players in battlegrounds, arenas, and out in the virtual world, looking to gain honor and rewards for defeating the opposing faction.

    One of the greatest advantages a player can have is proper PvP gear loaded with resilience, a property that reduces the damage you take from other players. Players with high resilience gear are extremely difficult to kill. Players with no resilience gear can be crushed relatively easily. Getting resilience gear is something of a catch 22: to get the best gear, you have to play a lot of PvP, but you die an awful lot as you earn that gear.

    The other night, I was playing in a battleground on my druid and noticed that one particular member of the opposing faction was fairly easy to kill but was playing their class very effectively, a warrior. This particular warrior wasn’t trying to kill us outright – we were too overgeared for him to do so, and he had relatively little resilience on his gear.

    What he did have working for him was knowledge of how his class worked and what abilities that were gear-independent, like stuns, snares, silences, and other forms of crowd control that make life difficult and inconvenient for your enemies. He’d keep a healer silenced and unable to do their job while his better geared buddies would kill the rest of us. He’d do stuns and fears which kept our team out of commission just long enough to achieve their objective.

    What does this have to do with marketing? As a marketer, you don’t necessarily need to have the best of the best in gear, equipment, paid services, and ad budget in order to be effective. You do have to know the tools, tactics, and methods you have at your disposal inside and out. If you only have a few dollars in your ad budget, you know how to play them for maximum benefit. You know what social media channels work best for which kinds of content, and as a result, you can dance around competitors that are slower, less agile, less aware, and less effective, even if they have bigger budgets, more staff, better tools, etc. Eventually your proficiency with the tools you have will yield greater rewards, enough that you can play on an even footing with previously better equipped competitors.

    How do you become this legendary marketing professional? The same way you become that player in PvP: lots of practice, lots of reading up to see what abilities you have access to, lots of watching videos and studying your competitors and the best-in-class models for how they do things. Copy what they do until you can mimic it effectively, then adapt it until you’ve fine tuned it for how you work best.

    May you soundly beat your competitors in the marketing battleground.


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  • Cash flow is king

    I’ve been playing World of Warcraft now for almost 4 years. For the insiders, I started right before the Sunwell and patch 2.4.2. One of my absolute favorite parts of the game is playing the in-game market, the Auction House. This is a live commercial exchange where you can sell your goods to other players and vice versa in a digital bazaar of sorts. Some of the best business lessons, some of the most important business lessons, can come from playing this aspect of the game.

    One of the most basic but most powerful lessons about this aspect of the game is that when it comes to running a business, only one things matters: positive cash flow.

    I switched realms recently to the Earthen Ring. In my first 30 days, I had to restart my Auction House businesses from scratch. The first step to doing so in-game (and in real life) is to get some working capital, some starter money. In order to be able to buy and sell, you need cash. Fortunately, as in real life, there are decidedly unglamorous but profitable jobs you can take. Here, for example, is the Jaggedswine Farm, outside the gates of Orgrimmar. When you kill these pigs, you get a chunk of boar meat.

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    Boar meat is decidedly uninteresting. It’s unexciting. However, in order to level a character’s cooking skill in game, it’s a necessary ingredient. Thus, a lot of people need it, even if they don’t want to get it themselves. Combine a boring, time-consuming task with a demand for the finished good, and you have the opportunity to make some money.

    Once you get some starter capital, building your fortune becomes a matter of making smart deals and keeping cash flow positive in your in-game professions. In the case of one of my characters, it’s about keeping my costs for producing glyphs from exceeding the profits. I know how much the supplies for my profession will cost me. I know roughly what the finished goods will sell for. If I can keep cash flow positive, then there’s no limit to how much I can grow my business. Conversely, if I have negative cash flow, no matter how much I sell my items for, I will lose in the long run.

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    Cash flow is king. If you on a personal level are not cash flow positive, you need to fix that as soon as possible. Go start doing some affiliate marketing. Ask for a pay raise at work or change jobs if you’re able to do so. Publish a book for sale – it costs nothing besides time and an Internet connection these days. Whatever you do, get earning more than you’re spending.

    This is the core business lesson that the Auction House teaches us: unless you consciously choose otherwise, always be making a profit. Always be spending less than you’re earning. Always be minimizing expenses while maximizing profits – and focus on maximizing profits so that you can grow. Cash flow is king. Cash flow is the lifeblood of your business, and as long as it’s positive, the world is your oyster.

    Or boar. Mmm, boar.

    No actual animals were harmed in the writing of this blog post. A whole bunch of digital boars got mercilessly slaughtered, however, and their innards sold for 4 gold, 37 silver.


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  • How sparkleponies might just save the world

    One of the most dangerous things about a consumer-focused material goods economy, from an environmental perspective, is that in order for you to have a sustainable business, you have to consume resources. Not only do you have to consume resources, you have to consume a lot of them. That’s at odds with the long-term environmental goals we need to reach in order to keep things habitable for us on this little blue marble called Earth. There are other worlds out there that might sustain us, but moving the human race 600 light years to Kepler 22b isn’t really an option at this point.

    So how do you keep a consumer economy running while mitigating its impact on the ecology? Here’s one answer that came up last night in World of Warcraft: sparkleponies. Its proper name is the Celestial Steed, which you can buy for your in-game character for 25. (on sale now apparently for10). Here’s another variant, called Tyrael’s Charger.

    Tyrael's Charger

    Yes, it’s a shiny pony with angel wings that your character rides around.

    What does this have to do with anything? In this case, it’s getting consumers to buy a virtual good, a consumer item that has no manufacturing cost of real world resources except electricity and the server farm that World of Warcraft runs on. What’s more, once the infrastructure is in place, there’s almost no actual cost to make one more sparklepony or one million more of these. They’re just rows in a database.

    They’re rows in a database, however, that people will pay money for. Things like convenience and status in a virtual world are just as important as in the real world, and as we integrate technology into our lives more and more, these virtual goods become just as valuable as the physical goods we’re used to buying.

    This trend can only accelerate. The faster we deplete natural resources, the more expensive it will be to manufacture physical world commodities. Thus, if you want to be ahead of the curve and taking advantage of consumer willingness to purchase virtual goods, figure out some way to add digital products or services to your current offerings. You’ll save the environment and make money at the same time.


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