Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Wasting Content Marketing Budget?

    You Ask, I Answer: Wasting Content Marketing Budget?

    Ann asks, “What’s the biggest waste of a content marketing budget?”

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    In this episode and asks, What’s the biggest waste of a content marketing budget, making content that has no point, making content that isn’t aligned with your strategy making content that has no value? I think probably of all of them, that’s the worst is making content that has no value.

    Making content is entirely self serving, making content that is pointless.

    If you make content that at least serves the audience is entertaining, or it’s educational, or it is engaging, at least you’re providing value to the audience, it might not be aligned with your marketing strategy.

    But at the very least, you are attracting and retaining an audience that you can then work with at a later date.

    On the other hand, if you are making content that is entirely self serving, that provides no value to the audience whatsoever, and then it’s a waste, right? Audiences will not engage with it, they will not share it, they will not talk about it, you will not be remarkable, in the sense of someone make worth making remarks about you unless they’re derogatory.

    So wasting content marketing budget, is pretty easy when you are so self centered and selfish.

    That to you, the audience is just a crop to be harvested instead of a partnership.

    The best use of content marketing budget is when your your intentions and your goals are also aligned with your audience’s intentions and goals when you can get what you want.

    While simultaneously making the world a better place while simultaneously being able to deliver just as much maybe more value to your audience than they are giving to you.

    Right that is the ultimate virtuous circle where everything that you do provides value to the audience in such a disparate way, such a a disproportionate way that your audience loves you that your audience can’t wait for more from you that they keep asking you for more stuff, more content.

    And yet, that content is also filling your sales pipeline, filling your marketing funnel, doing all those things that you as a marketer want to do to achieve your goals? How do you do that? You got to figure out what you and your audience both want.

    And a solution that can either deliver both at the same time, or create a chain reaction in which you’re getting what you want, gives the audience what they want, or vice versa.

    You’re giving the audience what they want gives you what you want.

    It’s pretty straightforward.

    In some instances, let’s look at a very quick example.

    Right? You write a blog post that is all about the audience.

    Here’s how to solve this problem.

    Whereas giving away the knowledge or giving away the secret, here’s how you solve a problem.

    And the audience is like, thank you.

    So I’ve been looking for this answer for ever.

    And what happens, they link to it, they share it on social media, they text it to a friend.

    And this thing takes off, like crazy because the value that you give in your content is so high that people can’t help but want to share it.

    You know, a really good concrete example, the game Wartell right, which was invented by Josh Wardle sold to the New York Times for seven figures.

    It provides a lot of value, right? It’s just difficult enough to be challenging, but just easy enough that you can knock it out in a few minutes a day.

    It’s the ultimate little casual game.

    And when he started it, it was actually made for a spouse, just to give her something to do.

    And he had no commercial intent, had no intent to sell it to the New York Times.

    He had no idea he’d be making fairly large amount of money on it.

    He just wanted to create something for someone else out of care for them.

    And he released it to the world and the world really liked it.

    So Ask yourself this.

    What are your motivations when you create content? Right? Who are you creating content for?

    Christopher Penn 5:07

    If you are creating content to try to get marketing qualified leads for your sales team, you are creating content for you.

    You’re not creating content for your audience.

    Right? If you are creating content for your audience, and you don’t care whether or not you get a single lead out of it, chances are as long as it’s good.

    As long as is worth consuming and has value, it’s going to give you marketing qualified leads to fill your funnel, because people will want what you have to offer them.

    So that’s how to waste or not waste your content marketing budget.

    It all comes back to how self centered your content is versus how audience centered it is.

    Who’s getting more value? The answer should always be the audience is getting more value than you are you can both get value, but the audience who be getting more value than you are.

    That’s how you create stainable good content marketing.

    Good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Giving Press Releases More Life?

    You Ask, I Answer: Giving Press Releases More Life?

    Catherine asks, “How do you give a press release more life? We post it on social media, it goes on the website, etc. but then it just fades away.”

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    Christopher Penn 0:13

    In today’s episode, Catherine asks, How do you give a press release more life? We post it on social media, it goes on the website, but then it just fades away.

    Yep.

    Let me ask you this.

    And I’ve been asking people this for almost a decade now.

    When was the last time you saw a parent reading a press release to a child at bedtime? right answers ever.

    We will don’t do that.

    Why? Because press releases are boring.

    Of course, there’s no life in it, because it’s boring.

    Nobody wants to read it.

    It’s filled with you know, here’s the the bombastic statement, opening paragraph, you know, so and so Corporation is proud to announce are pleased to announce are honored to announce their flexible, scalable, agile turnkey integration solution, blah, blah, blah, then you have two quotes by the CEO that the CEO never said, but you know, some intern wrote, and then you have boilerplate at the end.

    Nobody reads press releases, nobody wants to read a press release.

    So of course, it fades away.

    So the question is, what story are you trying to tell? And is there a format other than a press release that that meets it? Suppose you, you’re promoting a new executives book, right? And you’ve got a press release? Nobody cares? What’s the book about? How does it help people? How does it serve the audience better? What are some interesting stories that you can extract out? And then you create content around that you create content around the stories about the central thesis, right? If you’re announcing a new product feature? Again, nobody cares.

    What does that feature? Do? Who does it help? How do people get value out of it? And that’s where you can take the pieces of a press release, remix them as an actual story, and then post them places and create content around that.

    A press release.

    And the story that it contains, conceivably is nothing more than a webpage.

    So how do you drive traffic to a web page, right? You can post about on social media? Sure, you can put in your email newsletter, you can run ads to it, you can make video promos of it, you can text people about it, there is no shortage of ways to promote a web page.

    The question is, is it worth promoting? Right? If your press releases are just fading away, it’s probably because nobody cares.

    And that’s not a reflection on even the content itself.

    So much as the format we have been conditioned as content consumers to ignore those things, right.

    For those folks who have blogs, or podcasts or things where you get pitches from public relations professionals, anytime I get a press release, it immediately goes in the trash bin, because I have no interest in reading it.

    It looks like a press release.

    It goes in the trash bin because it’s not gonna say anything interesting.

    I’ve yet to see access to I’ve seen what exactly one press release that was worth reading.

    And it was from Opera Software years ago.

    And it was very cleverly done.

    Because they had a little slider said how much corporate bullshit do you want, in none, and then when it was slid all the way and as opera has a new version of his browser, and that was just one sentence and you tag the slider all the way to the right.

    And this press release gets this long.

    And it’s, you know, Opera Software, the world’s leading blah, blah, blah.

    And it was funny, it was really well done.

    That’s the only press release I can think of that I actually wanted to ever read everything else has not been great.

    So what is the angle? What is the hook? What is the story? When you’re pitching this thing? What is the story that you’re telling people? Because I would presume as a public relations professional, you’re not just putting out a press release, but you’re also pitching reporters on whatever the topic of the thing is.

    What is that? Right, what is what is it you’re trying to, to convey? If it’s high profile quotes from influencers? Cool, okay.

    atomize those, break them up? Something that my my friend and former colleague Todd Devon used to say is that content atomization is everything said that in 2008, take a piece of content, break it into a million pieces.

    Every one of those high profile quotes that’s in your press release should be its own little social card.

    Or if you want to get crazy and creative find a way to work it into a meme.

    That’s actually funny.

    There’s no shortage of memes that have sort of a sarcastic angle that would I think, would do great with corporate quotes.

    You know, there’s that one of the woman looking at two cards, you know that corporates asked you to compare these two images and you know, they The answer is always the same.

    What kinds of things what can you do with that?

    Christopher Penn 4:51

    Again, it’s the problem with the press releases largely the container itself, right? We’ve become accustomed to ignoring them.

    So how do you take the Have the pieces of it and distribute them in different ways that people want to consume that people want to pay attention to.

    If you again, if you’ve got these great high profile things, do you have video of that? Is that something you can put up on YouTube or Tiktok, or Instagram or something where people will actually watch it? If it’s really compelling or interesting.

    And therein lies the last part.

    And this is the part that, again, I spent five, yeah, five years at a public relations firm, almost six.

    Most of the stories that my colleagues were pitching were boring.

    They were boring.

    They’re uninteresting news from uninteresting companies, which, of course, is why those companies hired a PR firm in the first place.

    Right? If they had really compelling stories, they wouldn’t need a PR firm, right? Apple, for example, has a corporate communications department, and they probably do have a PR firm.

    But people actually want to pay attention to what Apple has to say, or what Google has to say, and so on and so forth.

    For a lot of these challenger brands.

    They didn’t have anything to say that was interesting.

    So part and parcel of the work you have to do is, is there a story there? Is there any actual news, when you’re doing a press release or a news release, there has to be actual news in there.

    The easiest way to create news is to take a bunch of the data and the research that you’ve done, and find an an actual piece of news, something that’s new information that is valuable to the audience.

    Again, with most press releases the value in them as entirely to the company that’s publishing it, check out a flexible, scalable, blah, blah, blah, product.

    So what that doesn’t provide me any value only provides company value.

    What’s in it for me as the reader, right, and if there is no value, if I’m not going to learn something, if I’m not going to find it amusing, if I’m not going to something that’s gonna make me laugh, then it’s not news, it’s not worth sharing, and publish the press release.

    Because if you need to adhere to regulations, or whatever, or it makes your executives happy, great, do what you got to do to keep your stakeholders happy, but expecting and trying to generate performance for something that inherently as a medium that doesn’t perform well.

    And with the tailwind or the headwinds of not very interesting news to begin with is a is a tall challenge.

    If you come up with a piece of news that’s really actually compelling, that’s interesting.

    It’s much easier to get people to pay attention to it, it’s much easier to get people to share it to talk about it and things like that.

    Here is my question to you.

    I would assume that you have close friends, some kind, significant others, things like that.

    The news, it’s in your press release? How many of your friends who don’t work in your industry? Have you eagerly told about because you’re so excited about it? Right? If you have a significant other? Have you bored them to death of talking about this news over dinner? Probably not.

    Right? Which means is not news that you find so compelling that you’ve got to share it with people that you care about whether or not they care about the news that you’re so excited, like I’ve been telling my friends and my colleagues and stuff about my new Google Analytics course I’m getting ready to launch this week.

    I’m excited about it.

    I’ve told my wife about it.

    She’s like, aha, that’s nice.

    But it’s exciting, because it solves a lot of problems for a lot of people.

    And it’s exciting for the company, too.

    But I’m so enthused about it.

    That I’m telling people who frankly, don’t care.

    I gotta tell my kids about No, they’re like, yeah.

    But that’s a good indicator for you, that you’ve got some news, that you’ve got something worth sharing when you can’t contain yourself.

    You’re so excited about it.

    You’re so emotionally engaged in it.

    And you got news, right? Because let’s face it, you’re not excited about it.

    Your audience for sure is not going to be excited about it.

    So that’s your benchmark.

    That’s the question to ask yourself about how to get more life out of your news release.

    It’s got to have a lot of life and energy and to begin with the story’s got to have life to begin with.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Correlation of Visitors and Conversions by Visitor Type?

    You Ask, I Answer: Correlation of Visitors and Conversions by Visitor Type?

    Andy asks, “I received a request yesterday for a report that “maps the correlation between the % of new and returning visitors onsite and the number of conversions, by day”. My first thought was to go into GA and create a couple of different views showing new/returning visitors and conversions. What do you think?”

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    In today’s episode, Andy asks, I received a request yesterday for a report that maps the correlation between the percentage of new and returning visitors on site.

    And the number of conversions by day.

    My first thought was to go into Google Analytics and create a couple of different views showing new and returning visitors and conversions.

    What do you think? My first question is? Well, what are we trying to prove here? Because visitors should correlate to, to conversions.

    Christopher Penn 0:45

    I think maybe you’re trying to figure out whether it’s new audiences or returning audiences that drive more conversions.

    And so I don’t know that this would be the best model to prove that, but you can do it.

    So here’s the steps that I would take.

    First, you need to extract the data itself.

    So you need the number of new users by day, number of returning users by day and the number of conversions by day, be aware that mixing and matching different number types is a bad idea.

    So instead of percentage of new and returning visitors, which isn’t great, just use the absolute numbers.

    So we had 12, returning users and 44 new users, and then the number of conversions.

    Awesome, don’t mix up data types, like don’t have new users and sessions.

    Don’t Don’t do that.

    So that’s step one.

    Step two is get all that data out of Google Analytics and into some kind of system that can run correlations.

    And it has to be a system that can do different types of correlations.

    Generally speaking, when we talk about correlation, there’s three different kinds of correlation that you can run.

    There’s a Pearson correlation, a Spearman correlation, and a Kendall tau correlation.

    And if you’ve never heard these terms before, then you are just like me, and you slept through statistics class in college, right? Which I did, I did terribly in that class, which is ironic, had to relearn all later on in life.

    Each statistical test of correlation fits a different type of data.

    So Pearson correlation, which is generally what is most used in tools like Excel and stuff like that.

    When you type in like the correlation function in Google Sheets, or in Tableau, it’s probably using Pearson out of the box.

    Pearson correlations are good if your data, when you plot it out, looks like a bell curve, right? For for normal distributions.

    Pearson correlations are the best tool for the job.

    That is not most marketing data at all, right? If you were to take your marketing data and reorder it, by largest to smallest, most marketing data is a power law distribution.

    Now a Pareto curve 80% of your traffic comes from 20% of your of your days, and so on and so forth.

    longtail, you hear that term a lot.

    When you have data that is doesn’t fit a normal distribution, which is called nonparametric.

    Spearman correlations are the best to use the the best technique to use, and instead of a p value, you get an R value.

    And then the third one, Kendall tau is best for ordinal data.

    So if you have two lists of ranked data, you would use Campbelltown for that.

    So get all of your data out, get it into a spreadsheet, make sure it is all ordered by day, and then run a Spearman correlation for each one of the things you’re going to find probably is you’ll find that one of those two metrics has a stronger correlation.

    With Spearman correlations, they are they’re just like Pearson correlations in the sense that anything above point five is a strong correlation.

    Anything below.

    Point 5.25 is a weak correlation.

    Anything below point two five to zero is no correlation.

    And the same is true on the negative side.

    So you can have negative correlations as well.

    The question that I would ask though, is, so what? Right, so if you find out more new users has a greater correlation to conversions and returning users.

    Okay, so what is the person who’s requesting this? What are they going to do with that information? I suppose if it’s new users, then you look at the channels that drive new users and say, Okay, let’s invest more in the channels that are driving the most new users.

    Same is true for returning users.

    But fundamentally, I would question whether that data type is as relevant as you know, the channels the individual channels.

    So one thing you might want to take a look at is looking at new and returning users by your most popular channels like search or email or social media and so on and so forth, because that might lend more granular results that you can save a step or two.

    In terms of the level of analysis.

    That’s not to say that it’s not the analysis is not without value.

    It’s the number one thing we always want to ask a stakeholder when they come to us with a very specific mathematical test is okay, what are you going to do with the information? Right? What decisions will you make? If they’re just going on a fishing trip?

    Christopher Penn 5:29

    You might say, Okay, that’s cool.

    And still happy to run the analysis for you.

    But have you ever thought about what your next step is? Because most people don’t, most people don’t think about the next step.

    And as a result, because they don’t think about the next step, they don’t have a clear picture in their heads of what it is they would do next.

    And that’s where all the value is in analytics.

    A lot of the time analytics, by itself is rearview mirror, right, it’s what happened is looking backwards.

    That’s a limited value.

    When you’re driving, there is value in looking in the rearview mirror every now and again.

    But unless you’re Mario Andretti and then you just never look in the rearview mirror.

    But if you’re trying to make decisions going forward, you have to have some sense of where this person wants to go with this thing.

    And if they don’t know, that is the opportunity for you as an analyst to add value.

    That’s an opportunity for you to say, Okay, have you also thought about this channel level, new and returning users? And then help them run the tests and say, Okay, here’s the conclusion that we reached, that x or y is a better choice for getting more of the result that you care about.

    So give that some thought.

    But it’s a very interesting question, and I think the analysis is worth doing.

    Let’s see what you come up with.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: No Giant Images in Email Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: No Giant Images in Email Marketing?

    Joyce asks, “For our company’s mailings, I enforce a strict “no giant images” rule (known “locally” as the NGI rule!). I am clinging to research from years ago that found that more than a third of email users don’t automatically download images (I am one of them). It is very off-putting when I open an email and am shown nothing so I’m forced to click to download or go to the browser view. Since you are an expert and your newsletters are giant images, I’m wondering if there is a reason you do this — and a reason I should reconsider the “NGI” rule.”

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    In today’s episode Joyce asks for our company’s mailings, I enforce a strict no giant images rule known locally as the ngi rule.

    I’m claiming to research from years ago that found that more than a third of email users don’t automatically download images I have one of them is very off putting when I open an email, and I’m shown nothing.

    So I’m forced to click to download or go to the Browse of you.

    Since you’re an expert in your newsletters or have giant images.

    I’m wondering if there’s a reason to do this.

    And the reason I should reconsider the ngi rule? So it’s a good question.

    Um, the the big thing with images is, if you’re not providing alternate texts, then I think that’s kind of a no go, right? If you’re providing alternate text, that’s descriptive.

    That tells people at least what the image is, then they can decide whether or not they want to turn images on, I would hazard a guess that actually it’s more than a third of email users.

    Now lock him just because a lot of services like Gmail, for example, can block images by default, or differentially blocking images.

    So allowing images and stuff from trusted senders and not from everybody.

    The reason I use giant images is mainly for call outs about what it is that I want somebody to do in my personal newsletter, one of the largest images is the unsubscribe image, right? This is big, glaring, multicolor, Technicolor thing that I want very clearly, everyone to see like this is the unsubscribe button.

    If you can’t find this, you should probably seek medical attention.

    Right.

    That’s, that’s how big it is.

    And I do use large images in other places like in newsletters and things.

    In some of the data analysis, particularly in the Trust Insights newsletter, every week, there’s a column called Data diaries, where we look at data that people might find interesting.

    I use images and large images for those because it fits the format, it fits the need, right? Trying to look at a statistical analysis on something the size of a postage stamp is unfulfilling, right? Very difficult to see, you know, when I publish, Instagram engagement rates and the images is big.

    That’s not a good user experience.

    So a lot of those times, it’s because it fits the user experience, it delivers on the promise of the content, I would say that, if you’re using images, gratuitously, you throw in a large image just because you can, that’s probably a good thing to trim back on.

    Right.

    But if the image serves a real valid purpose, and you can explain what that purpose is, then the size is less relevant than the purpose it fulfills.

    Right? If you are putting in big charts and tables in your emails, and you can’t see it, because it’s so small, then you’re not helping anybody, right, you’re not helping the user to figure out what it is that you want them to be looking at.

    So I would reconsider the rule, if the images are essential, I would say, keep things smaller, you know, smaller is generally better, particularly when it comes to, you know, reading on mobile devices and things.

    But if there’s value to the size of the image, I don’t see a reason why not to create it at the size that, that serves the customer best.

    At the end of the day, that’s the most important thing.

    If the customer gets more value out of a larger image than the smaller image, go with the larger image, if the customer doesn’t get any value out of the image either way, then go with smaller smaller is going to be better in those cases.

    So it’s about your intent as a marketer and about what you’re doing to serve the customer best.

    That’s it.

    Pretty straightforward.

    But it’s a good question.

    And it’s generally speaking with any email marketing rule, it’s always a good idea to reevaluate the those rules, read the latest research and stuff and see what’s changed.

    Because obviously, with things like Apple’s mail, privacy, protection and stuff, email marketing is changing all the time, particularly for these devices.

    And re evaluating the rules and questioning them is a smart thing to do.

    It’s a very smart thing to do, because sometimes things that were best practices, even a couple of years ago, are not best practices anymore.

    You know, a real simple example is using opens for your AV testing.

    Given the changes in privacy technology.

    That’s not a best practice anymore.

    It’s actually a worst practice because open rates are unreliable.

    Now.

    You have to look at click through rates as a more reliable benchmark.

    And even then

    Christopher Penn 5:05

    there’s some issues with click through rates because particularly if you’re sending email to corporate email addresses, where there’s a firewall, before the user that clicks on every link in your email, because it’s checking for malware.

    Even in those cases, you might want to do something a little bit different.

    So the long answer to a short question, use the image size that suits and serves the audience best.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: What Makes for Compelling Events?

    You Ask, I Answer: What Makes for Compelling Events?

    In today’s episode, we answer the question, “What compels you to attend a webinar/online event?”

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    In today’s episode, the question is what compels you to attend a webinar or online event? To be honest. Not a whole lot does. Not for me If it’s a topic or a subject that I’m interested in, I will attend. If I’m speaking at it, I kind of have to attend Right. That’s that was pretty obvious. But for the most part, there isn’t a lot to online events and to webinars other than it being something where I know I’m going to learn something that compels me to attend.

    And so a lot of the time I will attend events and things outside of my area of Expertize, right? I don’t attend much in the way of marketing and especially marketing analytics content because there isn’t a whole lot new under the sun right back. I get a ton of useful insights and experience when I attend, say, like a medical analytics event or a hard core coding event like the AR conference or a Tableau Conference.

    Something where I can see different perspectives, where I can see the same tools that I use, but see them used in different ways. The analogy I would give there is imagine you’re a French chef, right?

    How much benefit are you going to get out of going to online events about French food? If you’re a really good French chef, that answer is probably not a whole lot. You might pick up a little insight or a new thing here or there, but for the most part, if you’re a good French chef, you probably are not going to pick up a whole lot of new things.

    Right. But if you attend a an Italian food event or a Japanese food event, totally different way of doing things, even though it’s the same general topic cooking, you’re going to see very different perspectives, new ideas that you can then bring back into your practice. Some things will not make sense. Other things you can pick up some really cool stuff.

    For example, in that in that example, maybe, maybe you see how the Japanese method of making computer works and like, wow, I’m going to try that because that looks really different and could lend some some neat new flavors to my food. When we think about analytics and marketing and stuff, it looking at the same stuff that everyone else is looking at guarantees that you’re going to be doing the same things everybody else is doing.

    When you should be looking at what works best in other domains of expertize, what works best in bioinformatics, what works best in stock analysis. Half of the interesting things that I’ve done, my own coding and my own analytics come from other disciplines, particularly finance. I people have spent decades trying to build financial models to predict a stock or an equity or a bond or something else.

    Now, cryptocurrencies, right, and forecasting financial outcomes And those techniques they developed kind of sort of work in finance, but particularly with things like the stock market is really, really difficult because there’s so many hidden factors Those same techniques, they were brilliantly in marketing because we have far fewer inputs. When you have a stock market and you have a stock, you have a lot of I call shadow inputs and things that are out of your control, maybe out of your vision.

    There are institutional funds, hedge funds, you know, all sorts of high frequency trading off market transactions that can impact a stock price. It’s very, very difficult to to see those. It’s very, very difficult to forecast those and to account for them in a financial model. There is no such thing as a shadow website that’s secretly sending you traffic, right?

    You may have unattributed traffic, but for the most part there is no parallel parallel marketplace, no parallel web there. There’s all these secret things that are suddenly influencing your analytics, and it doesn’t happen. Your web analytics is reasonably self-contained. Now, but, you know, there are obviously are things that will impact your company. But from a data perspective, you don’t have those problems.

    And so a technique that works, OK, in finance works really well in marketing because there are more guardrails right there. There’s fewer chances for random, weird outside interference when you look at a technique that works in medicine, it’s statistical technique. It works in medicine. A lot of these techniques have to be bulletproof. Right, because lives are literally on the line.

    If you get the statistical analysis wrong, people die. When you’re researching a drug and you conduct an AB test in marketing, we conduct a Navy test and nobody like test be cool, right? In medicine, if if B goes really wrong you kill somebody. And so the rigor and the discipline and the governance and all the best practices are used in medicine and in pharmaceutical research.

    Again, these are the things that we can put into marketing, improve our marketing, improve our analytic skills in an environment where lives are not on the line. And it’s a topic of discussion that my business partner and her friend, Katie Ribeiro and I talk about all the time. She cut her teeth in in the medical industry, in the pharma industry, in dealing with substances and situations that if you got it wrong, people died.

    To step into marketing is like a breath of fresh air. Because even if you’re completely wrong in marketing, probably nobody’s going to die. You might get fired, but you know you’re not going to have somebody coding out on the table because of a bad decision you made. So when we think about what compels me to attend an event, it’s because I want to learn something from a perspective I haven’t seen yet or from a perspective that’s going to be so wildly divergent from what I’m currently used to that I can come away with not one or two, but a dozen or two dozen new ideas, new things, new points of view.

    The last two years have been a buffet of these things because again, with the pandemic, so many events and things went online and the recordings are up on YouTube for free. You don’t have to register. There’s no shortage of really good sources for new ideas. The challenge that we all have to face is making sure that we’re not attending events and trainings and online things that are inside of our comfort zone, that are inside of our knowledge zone, but instead stepping outside, sometimes far outside for a totally different look.

    How an industry solves a problem that isn’t our industry could lend some unique insight, some innovative insights that we could use for our stuff that could shortcut months or maybe even years of work on our part when someone else is hardly working solution for that any different industry. So that’s what compels me to attend events. Be curious to hear what you have to say to this question.

    If you want to let me know. Go over to every Slack group. Go to Trust Insights Dot A.I. Slash Analytics for marketers. Ask this question recently there. We’d love to hear what compels you to attend an online event. Thanks for tuning in. We’ll talk to you soon. If you like this video, go ahead and hit that subscribe button.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: What Does Data-Driven Mean?

    You Ask, I Answer: What Does Data-Driven Mean?

    In today’s episode, we answer the question, “What does data-driven mean?”

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    And today’s you ask. I answer, asking the question, what does data driven mean? So here’s the way I explain data driven. Most of us have one of these things, right? As a map application on there, some kind of Google Maps Apple Maps, whatever. How does that work? How do you use it? Do you just get in the car, start driving and see what the app tells you?

    Maybe, you know, there there are people who like to do that kind of exploration for most of the time to use that tool. We open it up. We set a destination and then we hit Go, Hit Start, and the software looks at all the possible routes to get from where we are to where we want to go and takes into account things like traffic, road closures, et cetera, and gives us a recommended route That is literally being data driven.

    You are being data driven when you set the destination and then the machine helps you navigate. Now, notice that the machine doesn’t do the driving for you, right? You still have to get behind the wheel is for now as self-driving cars improve. Obviously that may change. But for today, in 20, 22 you still have to do the driving.

    You still have to set the destination. But the machine guides you on making choices. And sometimes those choices, you may know better, right? If you’re just using the app locally, you may know, oh gosh, actually that route that you picked is technically shorter, but it’s an unpleasant drive. I’d rather take the slightly longer, but that’s less efficient. But a much more pleasant drive.

    Right? Or Hey, I know that that road that you say is closed is not actually closed. And so you may make different choices, but especially when you’re in a geography that you don’t know, being data driven in this example means you put in the destination, you let the machine guide you, right? You make your choices based on what the machine tells you based on its data.

    When we talk about being data driven in business, in marketing and strategy, that’s what we mean. Mean the data that you have should be able to tell you, here’s what’s likely to happen. And the best recommendations for moving in the direction you want to go. This presents some rather difficult challenges, doesn’t it? Because last I checked, no software that we use actually gives us driving directions, right?

    When you open up Google Analytics, it doesn’t tell you what to do with your website. Right? When you open up your marketing automation software, it doesn’t tell you what to put in your next newsletter. And so even though we will talk about being data driven and even though analytics companies and analytics software will say, adopt a data driven mindset, it doesn’t match up to what is actually being data driven.

    Right? Because unlike a GPS, none of these pieces of software acts like a GPS. They don’t tell you what turn to take next. You know, the destination you want to go to, right? You know, you need 10,000 marketing qualified leads or $100,000 in pipeline or whatever the number is. You know where you need to go but the promise that we’ve sort of established from the discussions about being data driven versus the reality are pretty far apart.

    We don’t have much that allows us to be data driven, not in the truest sense of turn right now we’re starting to we’re starting to predictive analytics in particular, starting to get to a point where there’s more guidance right? If you have things that are cyclical and seasonal, you can use trend analysis and forecasting to make decisions and predict what’s likely to happen coming up.

    But it is early days for that, right? It’s very, very early days. And the reality is right now it’s inaccessible to a lot of people. When I put together my content calendar, I used predictive analytics. I use forecasting. Here’s what the terms that are likely to be trending in the next week or month or whatever but that’s with software that I wrote and data sets that I ingest because I wrote software to to to get those to.

    That’s not something that is universally available to everyone. And so I would argue that very, very few folks right now are data driven, not because they don’t want to be, not because they are doing something wrong, but because the tools don’t allow them to be data driven. There is no such thing as a marketing G.P.S. or a strategy or a financial G.P.S. that says make this decision next turn right here doesn’t exist.

    Will it ever exist? I don’t know. It depends on how complex the models are, how much data they can ingest and how intelligently they can pass it.

    But at the very least, it’s safe to say that for today, there isn’t much that allows you to truly be data driven right. So even though we have data and we have strong analysis and we have maybe some insights for market research, we don’t really have a ton of things that allow us to be truly data driven. We don’t have somebody or something saying, turn right here, When you address a vendor that is talking about how their software helps you be data driven.

    Bring out that mental model of the map application on your phone. If I put my destination here, will your software tell me where to go Most software vendors, if they’re honest, will say, No, no, it doesn’t do that. It can give you some insights. It can tell you what happened. It can hint at things, but it’s not going to tell you which direction to go or when to do things.

    That is still a function that is reserved for us as the decision makers. And it’s one of the reasons why a lot of the time when people ask, Is I going to take my job now? No, it’s not. Not if you’re good at your job because you still got to do the driving and you still got to set the destination and today you still have to decide what turn good decision to make turn by turn, because the software doesn’t tell you that.

    Software tells you how far you’ve gone, how fast you’ve gone, how fuel efficient you’ve been. But that’s it, right? Most analytic software is rearview mirror only, and there’s not easy off the shelf solutions to be data driven. Again, it can be done, but it requires fairly technical teams and it requires access to data and knowing what you’re doing with it.

    So it’s a challenging question. What is data being data driven mean? And the reality is that most of us are not, and that’s OK for right now. But know that that’s the goal. That’s where we want to get. And the first company in your sector, in your space that gets there is going to go really, really far, really quickly.

    So our aspiration is to be that company so that we can do very well for ourselves. Thanks for tuning in. We’ll talk to you soon. If you like this video, go ahead and hit that subscribe button.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Regulation of Marketing AI?

    You Ask, I Answer: Regulation of Marketing AI?

    Jonathan asks, “What kinds of regulations do you expect to see in marketing AI or AI in general?”

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    In today’s episode, Jonathan asks, what kinds of regulations do you expect to see in marketing AI or AI in general? What do I expect to see? Or what do I think we need because they’re different, they are different.

    What I expect to see are minimal efforts at attempting to create regulations about fairness.

    Right, and to some degree, about visibility about what machines do, and how they make decisions, particularly for consumer protections, being able to tell somebody and be able to justify, like, why was this consumer turned down for a mortgage or a loan or something? And in a court case, you know, being required to disclose Yeah, prove that your machine did not make this decision on the basis of race or religion or gender, right protected classes.

    That’s what I expect to see the bare minimum regulations, because artificial intelligence right now is such a driver of profit, and income for companies that most companies would perhaps prefer to not have a whole lot of regulation about it.

    What do we need, if we want to continue having a functioning society, we need to have regulations in place about interpretability and explainability.

    And what I mean by that is that we need to have regulations in place that are no different than, you know, the ingredients.

    The nutrition label on a package saying, here’s what’s in the box, right? If you put this in your mouth, here’s the things these are the chemicals that you are putting in your mouth, alright, sorbitol, gum, bass, glycerol, so on and so forth.

    We require that a food right we require that if some of important things in our lives, we should be requiring that of our machines.

    What is in the box.

    For example, if you create a recommendation engine, tell me the basis on which it makes recommendations.

    Right? Prove that the machine makes recommendations in a fair and balanced manner.

    One of the things that was a discussion topic in this week’s newsletter, if you go to my website, ChristopherSPenn.com, you can see last week’s newsletter the AI and inequality issue.

    There’s a bias, a natural bias towards bigger companies.

    So in SEO, in particular, because the bigger you are, the more content you generate, the more content you generate, the more data there is to learn from from your company.

    And as search algorithms improve, they learn from the data they’re given them, the bigger companies have more data, they’ll learn from that more.

    When we talk about regulation of AI, we have to be having some serious discussions about expected outcomes.

    What is the expected outcome of this software model? And then does it deliver on that and be clear and be regulating? These are the required outcomes, something simple like credit score decisions, credit score decisions must have outcomes that are identical for things when you control them for like protected classes.

    So a black man and a Korean woman should have identical outcomes if their income and their employment and stuff is all substantially identical.

    And if they don’t, right, if the Korean woman never gets the credit card loan, and the black man always does, and all controlling for everything else, everything else is equal, then, you know, you’ve got a race issue, possibly a gender issue, maybe both.

    But those are both protected classes.

    And so the the, what should be on the label on the box of that AI? Is this AI guarantees that it does not make decisions based on race or gender.

    Right? That’s what should be on the box.

    Is that what’s going to happen? Maybe it depends, like so many other things.

    I expect it to be a patchwork quilt of regulations that vary from country to country, region to region, some regions of the world, you’ll have very, very stringent requirements.

    For example, the EU is well known for having extremely stringent requirements on disclosing things right.

    There’s a whole bunch of chemicals and things that you know and manufactured consumer goods, flat out been in the EU perfectly fine in other countries.

    Now whether they’re actually safe or not nest The discussion topic, but what’s regulated is, and it would not surprise me if countries in the EU said, yeah, if you want to operate this AI here, here is what you must disclose.

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    That’s what I would hope to see in all forms of AI.

    And the the thing you may say is, well, you know, it’s marketing.

    It’s not like you’re you’re denying people loans or making healthcare decisions.

    It’s just marketing.

    It is it does marketing AI need regulation? Uh huh.

    Sure, it does.

    I was at an event a couple of years ago, and I was watching a presentation by a fairly well known insurance company.

    And this insurance company said, we are not permitted under by law to discriminate in the issuance of policies based on protected classes, right, we cannot discriminate based on race or gender, or religion, etc.

    And then very proudly on stage, these folks said, so what we’ve done is we’ve used machine learning to fine tune our marketing to make sure that less desirable people see our marketing.

    So if we’re not marketing to them, they’re less likely to buy and therefore we don’t have to deal with those decisions.

    Like, well, great, you just reinvented redlining.

    Thanks, redlining, if you’re not familiar with the term from the 1930s in America, which, which banks would draw red lines around districts of cities and say, We’re not going to do business at these places, they were typically black American places, typically poor places, typically, minorities of some kind or another.

    And redlining was declared illegal, a couple of decades later.

    And this company is up on stage touting its use of marketing AI, to effectively have reinvented redlining, but doing so in a way that it does adhere to the letter of the law, but violates the spirit of it.

    Because you don’t have to market some people.

    You don’t have to spend marketing dollars to reach some people, that is true.

    But the outcome is the same.

    And that’s the difference with AI.

    Right? Because we don’t necessarily know the inner workings of a deep neural network, we have to judge AI based on its outcomes, and whether or not we intend to discriminate, for example, if the machine does it, then it’s doing it.

    Right, whether or not that was our intent, if it’s doing it, that is the problem.

    And so we have to be very careful about regulating AI, not on the technology, not even on the data set, but on the outcome it delivers.

    And if it’s delivering outcomes that are unfair, in to turn it off, until we can fix the problem kill until it can demonstrate that fairness is at play.

    Right.

    And it’s really challenging, it’s a much more challenging proposition than you might think.

    Because when you deal with systemic biases, you get a lot of correlated outcomes, right? For people who are minorities, depending on the minority, there is a bias towards there’s a natural systemic bias says those people who are going to earn less money.

    So you may program in to say, Okay, we’re, we’re not going to use race at all, we’re only going to focus on judgments on income.

    Well, by default, you create an outcome, where there tends to be a bias against race, because it’s so tightly correlated with income.

    So in those cases, you need to be able to, to display in your algorithms in your models, that there are data points that show that race is not a factor, right? If you have a black man and a Korean woman, and they have the same income levels, right, they should have the same probability of being approved for a loan or showing a marketing email or whatever the case may be.

    That’s how you prove that.

    protected classes are not in play by showing multiple examples where the protected class is not a differentiating factor in the decisioning of the machinery.

    It’s very challenging.

    It is very challenging, it is costly.

    And this is another reason why companies don’t want to spend a whole lot of time on this and why it will have to be regulated because it is costly.

    It is financially costly and computationally costly.

    To prove that your machines are not doing bad things.

    But you have to do it.

    It has to be part and parcel of AI if it’s not.

    We’re going to create a world that’s not super fair, not super fun to live in.

    Right where if you are wherever you are in life in terms of income and jobs and and

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    pride Ducks and services you consume.

    If you don’t regulate for fairness in AI, the machines will reinforce everything around you to keep you where you are.

    So if you’re happy, and you’re with your lot in life, and you don’t care about advancing your career or what you buy and things like that, then that might be okay.

    But if you aspire to move up the staircase of, of whatever you consider success in life, by definition, the machines which have trained on the data, you’ve provided them, about where you’ve been in your life, in the past, will continue to make recommendations based on those things.

    Even if you as a person are no longer that person.

    Right? Can you imagine getting recommendations from where you were 10 years ago in your life, or 20 years ago? Some of us like the the younger folks that like I’d be getting recommendations that My Little Pony Well, yeah, that’s kind of the point.

    Right? The machines don’t adapt, unless they’re balanced for fairness and growth.

    And so you would continue to get my little pony ads, even though you’ve long outgrown them.

    That’s a fun example of what is otherwise a very insidious problem that is not visible, because we don’t know what the the expected outcomes are.

    So that’s where we need to go with regulation of AI.

    To say, these are the stated intended outcomes of this model.

    And this is how well it complies with it.

    And this is critical.

    Human law appropriately has, or should have the presumption of innocence.

    Right? You are innocent until proven guilty.

    You can be accused of a crime.

    But you are innocent of a crime until you proven guilty in a court of law.

    That should not apply to machines, machines aren’t sentient machines are not sapient they are not self aware.

    They do not have rights.

    And so, as we regulate AI until it does become self aware, that’s a different conversation.

    But today, we should be treating algorithms and models as guilty until proven innocent.

    You are seen to be discriminating, prove to me that you’re not right.

    If I accused an AI a machine a piece of code of being discriminatory one of the precedents we need to establish in law is that the machine is guilty until it can prove its innocence.

    That’s how we create a more equitable AI ecosystem.

    Presuming innocence Oh, no, it’s not doing that.

    That’s not the way to go.

    Not for machines for humans.

    Yes.

    For living creatures with essential software and have rights.

    innocent till proven guilty is the way to go.

    For machines, the opposite.

    That’s a key point.

    So really good question.

    Long, long answer.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: AI and Marketing for New Marketers?

    You Ask, I Answer: AI and Marketing for New Marketers?

    Molly asks, “What should people new to marketing know about AI as they start their careers?”

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    In today’s episode, Molly asks, What should people new to marketing know about marketing AI? As they start their careers? That’s a tough question as answer, because we don’t know.

    What we do know, what we have seen so far is that artificial intelligence and machine learning have done an exceptional job of taking away individual narrow tasks from people’s jobs.

    Right, the ability to write a press release, machines can write press releases now, not very good.

    But then again, most press releases aren’t very good either.

    So it’s, it all works out fine.

    Machines are getting very good at attribution analysis, things like that.

    So there are lots and lots of individual tasks.

    The thing I would say to people who are starting out in their careers, is that machines will continue to take away tasks, individual tasks, one at a time.

    And what this means for you, is that you’ve got to continue to focus on in your career tasks that are multidisciplinary in nature, because those are much, much harder for machines to replicate.

    If you’re good at just inbound sales, there are a whole bunch of things in that job that can get automated out from under you.

    On the other hand, if you’re good at inbound sales, and you’re good at psychology, you bring depth to that role, and to how you do your job, that machine’s would find very, very difficult to replicate.

    If you are a writer, you know, machines are starting to write content.

    But if you are a writer, and a subject matter expert in something that machines don’t have a lot of broad content to draw on.

    Again, very difficult.

    Remember that all artificial intelligence and machine learning is contingent upon having enough data to train a model, which is a machine written piece of software to replicate what has already been done in some fashion.

    That breaks down when you start having niches of content, or any any data where there isn’t enough of it.

    Right? We can teach machines to write press releases, because there are millions of press releases, and they’re all about the same say about the same thing, right? There’s companies like industry leading companies flexible, scalable turnkey solution, blah, blah, blah, quote from the CEO, the CEO didn’t write that the PR firm, in turn wrote, and then for more information, contact this person, right, we’ve seen those press releases a million times, a machine can write them with ease.

    Writing about the environmental impact of co2 on deep sea fish, there’s not a lot of content to start from.

    Right, there’s not a lot of content for a machine to learn from.

    And as a result, it will be very difficult for a machine to create new content on that topic.

    Because it didn’t have anything to train on.

    So when you think about your career, when you think about what you’re good at, and what you’ll be asked to do, ask how commonplace the existing task is, right? If you’re worried something’s going to get taken away by machines.

    How commonplace is the task? I need to write a sales email? Well, guess what? That’s something that there’s millions of examples for and most of them are about the same.

    Right? I need to write a blog post about marketing automation.

    Well, there’s hundreds of 1000s of those.

    So that’s pretty easy for machines to learn.

    I need to write a blog post about a billion billionaires acquisition of a social network, and its implications for privacy legislation.

    Not a whole lot has been written about that particular angle.

    Right.

    So the there’s what’s called sparseness, the sparseness of data in that line of inquiry.

    And so a lot of models, when they try to generate content on something so niche will come up with generic platitudes, maybe, and maybe a few usable sentences, but for the most part, you’re going to keep getting word salad.

    language models, in particular have not figured out how to deal with sparsity in niches yet.

    The more you are multidisciplinary, the more you have very specialized knowledge.

    The more that you can combine things together in ways that are unusual, the harder it is for a machine to do those things.

    Right.

    If you are somebody who is very strong in the visual arts, and you’re somebody who’s good at sales, you’ll be able to create sales pitches and sales collateral that machines do can’t dream of because there’s not enough data for it.

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    Right? An easy way to think about testing things out, is to take a topic that maybe you’re going to create something on or a task you’re going to do.

    And just do a Google search for it.

    See how much existing content there is about that thing.

    If Google spits back, sorry, didn’t find any really good results.

    That’s a good sign.

    That’s a sign that you found something that the machines, there isn’t enough content for machines to learn about, because Google is real good about finding stuff.

    On the other hand, if you type in something, and Google’s like, Here’s page one of 500 million, like, okay, there’s plenty of opportunity to hear from machines to learn, and replicate, and maybe even learn just the best stuff.

    Right? Maybe they can, there’s so much content on that thing that they can replicate the top 10% Only and deliver better than average results than a human could.

    Because, again, there’s so many examples to train from.

    That’s what to think about as you start your career.

    Or even if you’re in the middle of your career, or even coming close, you know, on the tail end of your career, artificial intelligence will replicate the most common things.

    So look at your job, look at your calendar, look at your inbox.

    What are the most common things in there? Those are the things that machines will start to handle and increasingly more and more just taking more of those away.

    What are the things that are unusual? And again, look in your inbox? What are those one off weird requests, you get that nobody else could do? Right? So things to think about in your career, especially if you’re early on in your career, is what do people come to you for? That they don’t go to anybody else? There’s nobody else in your company.

    We even in your industry, that they would even dream of going to that is something that AI is going to have a real hard time taking away because of your it the only person that machines can learn from as you so give that some thought.

    Really good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Personal Brands and Businesses?

    You Ask, I Answer: Personal Brands and Businesses?

    Jeremy asks, “How should content entrepreneurs think about their personal brands and their businesses?”

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    In today’s episode, Jeremy asks, How should content entrepreneurs think about their personal brands and their businesses? Should they be separate? Maybe it depends it this is one of those questions where it depends is the answer.

    Because it depends on the situation? It depends on your brand’s focus.

    It depends on your overall strategy and outcome.

    What kind of business objective Are you going towards? Right? If you want to run a lifestyle, business, meaning a business, where it’s it’s part of your life, but you have a life outside of it, and you want to a business is profitable, but not necessarily you’re looking to exit or sell or, you know, 10x, your return or whatever, crazy things people are saying these days, then having that personal brand reinforce your business might be the thing, right? There are a lot of people who make very successful long term businesses on their personal brand.

    Right? There their name is the business.

    Take somebody like Arnold Schwarzenegger, right? His entire business is his name and his brand.

    Other businesses, if the intent is to sell or to transition, or to flip it or something, yeah, your personal brand being deeply entangled with it can cause issues, because you then have a difficult time transitioning that business to somebody else, right? Once you’ve sold it off, a lot of the value is in your name.

    And you might have difficulty getting a buyer, even if they perceive that too much of the value is is tied up in your name.

    And they know that the name is not going to come with the business not in the long term.

    They might say yeah, we’re we’re either not going to buy your business, or we’re going to offer you less than we would have if the business was truly portable.

    So it depends on your exit strategy.

    For marketers who are working inside of a business, this is where it gets really sticky.

    So for a number of years, I loaned my personal brand, my name and stuff to different companies, blue sky factory, what counts, shifts, communications, et cetera.

    And those businesses did very well with the brand and the audience that I was gathering.

    But every time I made a transition, my audience went with me and didn’t necessarily stick with the business.

    From my perspective, that was a good thing.

    From the businesses perspective, less so.

    But also, because a lot of the folks I worked for were not particularly thinking about the long term strategy, they were really thinking about shorter term results, it wasn’t a substantial long term problem, I still provided a lot of value to those businesses, and things.

    So if you work inside of a business that you don’t own, you are not a decision maker.

    And you do have to think about your personal brand.

    And how tied to the business it is what is it that you are known for? What does it you want to be known for? And how tightly coupled is it to the business? If it’s something that you want to be able to move from company to company, when you’re in your space, you’d be very careful about things like your employment agreement.

    You need to have a lawyer looking at your employment agreement and making adjustments to it.

    So at the last two companies I worked at before I signed on as an employee, I had my lawyers look at the employment agreement.

    And we made some stipulations, we said these things are work for hire, meaning that I work for the company and these are the things that become the companies.

    These other things are not my personal newsletter is not part of the company.

    My at the time I only podcast marketing over coffee, not part of the company would never be part of the company.

    And the employer had to sign off on that.

    Otherwise, I wouldn’t have been able to work there.

    Or I would have had to make concessions, one of the two.

    But fortunately, everybody agreed.

    Okay, that was good enough that we kept these things separate from these things.

    If you work at a company right now, where you haven’t looked at your employment agreement in detail, I would.

    I would look very carefully to see how widely scoped your employment agreement is.

    If the company says everything you do is ours, including what you do outside work

    Christopher Penn 5:01

    might be time to change companies.

    Right? And as you do make sure that the next company you work for when you get that agreement, you have a lawyer look at it and say, Okay, we’re agreed that the stuff that you do on company equipment during business hours is the company’s you don’t have a claim to it.

    But everything you do outside of the company on your own time on your own equipment, that’s yours, and the company has no claim to it.

    Right? That’s something that you have to think about very carefully.

    Because there are a fair number of companies that do have an all inclusive clause in the employment agreement, saying if you come up with anything, if you create a, a million dollar YouTube channel about basket weaving, right, and the company makes concrete, you know, relationship, the company can still lay a legal claim to your YouTube channel.

    If you signed an agreement that says everything and anything you do will come as companies.

    So look real carefully.

    At the agreements, you sign and hire a lawyer, right? Find a lawyer, hire a lawyer.

    Because it’s expensive upfront, but it’s really expensive on the back end, when you’re in court being sued, if you don’t straighten those things out.

    So if you are planning an exit, disentangle your personal brand as much as you can, if you’re not if you’re planning on making it a long term bid, you might not have to, and if you don’t own the company, be very careful about keeping your personal brand and the company very much Church and State keep them separated if you don’t want some serious headaches, so really good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Unique Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: Unique Content Marketing?

    Jeremy asks, “How do you make unique, better content for content marketing?”

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    In today’s video, Jeremy asks, How do you make unique, better content for content marketing? How do you continue to improve your content? Here’s the thing, if you’re doing content marketing, and you, as an individual are doing content marketing, like this video, for example, you’re already unique in some aspect, right? Because it’s you.

    Nobody else could be in my video except me, and still haven’t been my content.

    Right? Just simple logic.

    How do you make better content comes down to what is it that your content supposed to do? Right? What is the purpose of the content for your audience? Not for your business, not for your company, your brand, your organization, your marketing objectives, whatever? Put that aside.

    What is your content marketing supposed to do for your audience? What value does it provide them? If you don’t have a clear answer to that question, it’s going to be really difficult to make better content because you don’t know what good content is.

    Right? Good content we’ve talked in the past has to pass the three l test.

    Right? Did you laugh when you made it? Do you love it so much that you talk to your significant other or friends or whatever, about unsolicited unprompted? And they’re like really tired of hearing about it? What did you learn something, when you’re putting that content together? Right? content has to be educational, to some degree, it has to be entertaining some degree, and has to be emotionally engaging.

    And if your content doesn’t do any of those things, that’s a good place to start.

    Right? That is a great place to start improving your content.

    Ask yourself which of those three axes engaging, entertaining, or educational? Which is your content strongest? And which is your content weakest in? And then based on that information? What should you be doing more of? And there’s a couple of different perspectives on this.

    If you were really good educational content, but you’re not really focused on the entertainment aspect, that’s okay.

    There are still ways to create something that’s educational, as long as it’s emotionally engaging, right? So of those three E’s, you need to add three, you need to add three, educational alone isn’t enough if that were a true, college professors would be the most followed people on YouTube, right? That’s we know that’s not true.

    Just because something’s educational does not mean it’s entertaining, or emotionally engaging.

    So what of those other two things can you get down and improve upon? It doesn’t mean that you have to do all kinds of crazy stuff, it just means that you’ve got to be able to connect with people.

    Part of that is understanding what is your audience wants.

    And a big part of that, is thinking about content as a sale, right is the sale of an idea.

    In order to sell something, somebody has to make an emotional decision.

    Because that’s how we buy, right? We that’s how we accept new things, we make an emotional decision, and then we use all of our rational brain to justify our emotional reaction.

    So what emotions does your content satisfy? What emotions does your content fulfill? Is your content reassuring? Right? Is that help supposed to help somebody feel more secure, more safe? More insulated from harm or risk? Is your content supposed to be angering, right? There is nothing wrong from a strategic perspective, but content that makes people angry because it inspires an emotional reaction.

    Every politician, regardless of philosophy, or perspective, understands the value of pissing people off.

    Right, because it’s how you energize a population, give them something to fight against, give them something to fight for.

    Making better content is about improving those reactions in your audience.

    You know, one of the things that I’m looking at right now it as a speaker is I just got to get down here.

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    It’s got a 360 degree camera.

    Why I want to be able to video during my talks my whole audience.

    I want to see how they react when I’m saying something, right.

    I don’t care about how I react.

    I know how I react.

    It’s the audience themselves.

    I want to know, like, during parts of my talk are people like this? Right, knowing that I’m not engaging them, I’m not saying things that keep their attention.

    On the other hand, I’m looking for those points when people viscerally react.

    How carefully Are you keeping track of your audience’s reactions? I just sent out my newsletter for this week, and I’ve got a decent number of replies in my inbox.

    From people who’s felt very strongly about the topic that I was presenting on this week about AI and inequality.

    Some weeks, I send out a newsletter, nothing, no retweets, no shares, no comments, no replies.

    And those are the weeks that I think content didn’t land.

    Right.

    Other weeks, the inbox fills up, right? Some weeks.

    It’s really busy.

    And those are the weeks I know, the content landed, right? It’s stuck with people, it resonated with people they consumed, and they’re like, I need to say something or do something with this content.

    So if you want to make better content, keep track of what you get reactions to what do people have to say? What do people think? What do you how do people feel about the content you’re making? And if you never get any reactions, you know, you’ve got probably two, or even all three of the three E’s missing from your content, if it’s just not resonating with people.

    On the other hand, if people are like, yeah, I gotta hit reply and tell you exactly how I feel.

    Even if they are telling you that you’re wrong.

    You’re still landed, right? Even if you say something people like, Ah, so I don’t think that’s how it’s done at all.

    That’s okay.

    Because you’ve engaged people, you’ve elicited a reaction, you’ve provoked their emotions in some way.

    Bear in mind that, from an emotional perspective, pissing people off all the time is not a sustainable long term strategy.

    I’ll just put that caution out there.

    It does work for a long time.

    But it has deleterious effects in that people associate your brand with being angry.

    And that’s probably not, again, not the best long term strategy for for marketers.

    Now, if you’re a politician, again, you can make a lot of hay, making people angry all the time, but for marketers, probably not the best overall strategy.

    So that’s some thoughts on how you make unique better content for any kind of marketing, not just content marketing, any kind of marketing at all.

    Good question.

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