Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Most Important Content Marketing KPIs?

    You Ask, I Answer: Most Important Content Marketing KPIs?

    In today’s episode, Brian asks, “In your opinion, what are the most important or insightful data points to track to ensure that your content marketing is effective?””

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    In today’s episode, Brian asks, In your opinion, what are the most important or insightful data points to track to ensure that your content marketing is effective? Is anybody there? Anybody consuming my content? And then are people doing what we want them to do after they consume the content? Might awareness, engagement conversion? Those are the data points and what those metrics are vary on the content, right? Well, podcast is going to have some different numbers than a YouTube video is going to have some different numbers than a white paper or an ebook, or blog post or newsletter.

    They’re all gonna have different numbers.

    But those are the three big categories.

    Awareness is the first and most important with content marketing, if nobody’s reading, or watching or listening, everything else doesn’t matter.

    And while some folks will rant about the importance of vanity metrics, or how pointless they are, like how many followers you have, or how many subscribers do you have, if the number zero, you’ve got a problem, where things like vanity metrics run into trouble, of course, people think that is the goal.

    It’s not the goal, but it’s a goal on the way to a business outcome.

    And if that number is zero, nothing else matters.

    It’s it’s your standard top, middle and bottom of the funnel, what’s happening at each of these stages? And how is content playing a role in each of those stages? content has to fit intent.

    Right? There’s so there’s four basic intents, there is, I’m trying to figure out the problem is number one.

    Number two is I figured out the problem, I’m trying to figure out how to solve it, it’s to number three is I figured out the problem, I figure out how to solve and I need to figure out who I’m going to do business with.

    And number four is I bought the thing to solve my problem.

    Is it solving my problem, which is essentially, awareness, engagement, conversion and retention.

    We know these metrics, we have these metrics in every piece of marketing software that worth its salt, or you know, at least in our tech stack.

    But we don’t ever really spend a lot enough time telling the story of it along the way.

    What content you have for retention is not the content that is going to be great for awareness, right? Here’s how to use our product is very useful for retaining customers, here’s how to get the most of our product.

    If someone doesn’t even know what their problem is that content is not going to help them.

    Right, here’s a instruction manual on this video camera.

    Do and the person you know the awareness person’s like, I don’t even know if I need a video camera.

    And so those are the data points to look at.

    And then map them to the individual pieces of content.

    If you think about setting up conversions, and something like Gale, say Google Analytics.

    And you were to then map out the content that participated in each of those conversions, you should see content in different places, right? Your white paper probably shouldn’t, depending on the white papers topic.

    A white paper might not be an awareness generator, but it might be an engagement generator, who could be a conversion generator.

    But where do you intend for it to be? And here’s the part that goes wrong with all content marketing analytics.

    You don’t do anything with it.

    Seth Godin said this best if you’re not going to change what you eat, or how often you exercise don’t get on the scale.

    Right? You’re gonna you’re collecting data that is going to make you feel bad.

    And you’re not willing to change with your content marketing, if you’re measuring awareness, engagement and conversion and retention.

    If you don’t do anything different, why bother? There’s no.

    So what is my business partner and friend, Katie robear, would say, No.

    So what what are you going to do with this information? What decisions are you going to make? What actions are you going to take? If you say that your awareness numbers are low? And then that’s it, you hand off the slide and your monthly report and then you move on with your day.

    And you didn’t change what you’re doing to generate awareness, then you shouldn’t have bothered putting together in the first place.

    It was just a waste of your time.

    On the other hand, if you just measure one thing, like say, Yeah, you know what, we’re, we’re not in a position to measure engagement or conversion and retention, but I can tell you how many people I’m in front of, and you optimize the heck out of that.

    You will do well.

    There’s a lesson that my friend William Smith said, you said pick a number,

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    that it is something you have control over.

    That’s related to your your buyers journey and make it go up 8% week over week, one number that’s it, pick one number, maybe it’s new users to your website, if you can make new users to your website go up 8%, week over week, without fail.

    Everything else in the value chain will do better.

    Right? Pick one thing and figure out what levers and knobs and dials and buttons you have to manipulate to get that number to go up 8% week over week, and you will see success flow from that point.

    So that’s the, that’s the corresponding side to these data points is you’ve got to take action on them.

    And the more data points you have, and the more that you track, the more decisions you have to make.

    So if you don’t have the bandwidth, or the budget, or the people to make a bunch of decisions, then just pick one.

    And start there until your business improves enough that you have the budget to work on a second point.

    And then work on that, and so on and so forth.

    If you tried to do everything all at once, you’re going to do nothing for a very, very long time.

    It’s like having a jar of jelly with a white one spot one spoonful of jelly at the bottom and you got 100 pieces of bread? Should you try and put a tiny bit of jelly spread super thin like one atom, then across all 100 pieces of bread that can be very satisfying.

    It’s going to take a really long time.

    And by the time you’re done, it’s not going to have much of an impact.

    Or do you say you know what, we’ll put 99 pieces of bread aside and put jelly on on enough on one piece enough that I can taste it.

    Everything in content marketing is about focus, right, you can create content about everything.

    But in doing so you really create content about anything.

    On the other hand, if you create content in a focused manner, in a channel where you want to do well, like video, for example.

    And you You knock it out of the park, you will create the resources you need to do it again.

    And again.

    It’s kind of like investing, right? You could spread out 1 to 100 different banks a penny here a penny there.

    But when you think about how interest works and compounds, you’re better off putting that1 In one bank, and then figure out how do you get your next dollar.

    So that’s my caution with data around content marketing, yes, you can measure all these things and you should collect the data.

    So that’s available for you when you do want to process it later on.

    But focus on one thing and improve it, improve the daylights out of it.

    And then use the the revenue and the business impact from that to invest in the next thing one at a time.

    So that’s my answer to Brian’s question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Changes in Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: Changes in Content Marketing?

    In today’s episode, Brian asks, “how have things changed since you started content marketing?”

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    In today’s episode, Brian asks, how have things changed since you started content marketing? Well, gosh, I mean, when doing marketing of some kind with content before it content marketing existed as a term, right? My first podcast was 2005.

    It was 934 episodes, my first website that I created to share information with people and to attract people to join a business was 1994.

    So things have changed a lot since 1994.

    Right? Things have changed a lot and almost 30 years of marketing.

    And it’s easier, I think, to focus on what hasn’t changed.

    Right? What are the things that have not changed about content marketing, people want to be educated, people want to be entertained, people want to be engaged.

    And people want things that are faster, cheaper, and better.

    Right? People want better service than ever, they want faster service than ever, and they want to pay less and less for it.

    And so we’ve seen, content marketing, and all marketing evolve along those lines, right.

    amazon.com, when you think about it really is just a giant content marketing site, right? You don’t actually get anything from the Amazon website.

    It’s just a big, big, big pile of content that you use to then buy stuff from the Amazon logistics company.

    And you know, somebody drops it off and flings it at your door.

    But the mechanism for that sale is content.

    It’s the products, the images, it’s the reviews, the stars, the ratings, whether it’s a prime item or not.

    And then the purchasing system you’re trying to make purchasing as seamless as possible.

    And Amazon’s relentless focuses on reducing friction.

    In the purchase process, how can we make it so easy to buy something that you might just buy things accidentally? Right? You have one of these smart assistants on your desk, and by accident? You yell out something in the air? And he says, Sure, I’ll buy that for you.

    What things are you doing in your content marketing that align with those trends? Right? I’m talking for a while now mobility is one of the most impactful trends of the last 30 years, right? In 2007 Steve Jobs, releasing the iPhone change how people interact with the world, right? The accurate joke is that this thing is the remote control for reality.

    Right with this device, you can swipe right and have meals and food delivered and furniture and a date and medical tests you name it.

    That’s what consumers expect.

    So how does your content marketing fit into that? Is your content marketing so easy to consume that it’s act you know, it’s so good accidentally you just summon it, or someone have to go hunt it down? Right one of the biggest mistakes that content marketers have made over the last 10 years in particular is building their content on rented land like Twitter or Facebook or LinkedIn or any of these these social media services or publishing services.

    Because you have no control over the distribution mechanism.

    And as more and more of those services have focused on advertising revenue, and delivering better and better numbers to Wall Street, our content is being seen less and less, and it’s not being delivered to our consumers, they have to go get it.

    On the other hand, if you have something like text messaging, or slack or discord or an email marketing list, you’re still able to frictionlessly deliver your content to the intended audience.

    Now, they may or may not have time to read it.

    But if your content is high enough quality, they will invest the time for it.

    But if the barrier to entry is higher than ever to get it to them.

    You’re not in alignment with the trends that consumers inspect.

    Expect consumers want stuff handed to them, right people don’t want to think and they don’t want to work.

    us especially for entertainment, especially for education.

    They want things to appear instantaneously in front of them.

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    So that’s really, if there’s anything that’s majorly changed, it’s that people no longer feel the need to go out and get content.

    Right? The, they want to be able to subscribe to a show on YouTube or subscribe to a podcast or subscribe to a newsletter, and just have it appear, like, hey, notifications appeared new thing.

    Great, I can go consume my new thing.

    As marketers, we don’t have a lot of share of mind anymore.

    We don’t, there’s too many other things competing for our audience’s attention.

    Right? When this device holds all the world’s entertainment in the palm of your hand.

    The barrier to entry for us is getting a consumer to change their behavior.

    Getting consumer to do something different to proactively go and get content, as opposed to just having it delivered to them like it was an Amazon package.

    How far do you have to go to get something from Amazon to your front door? Right? You may not even need to put clothes on.

    I mean, you should but versus having to require somebody to get up, get in the car or get on the bus or the train or whatever, and go somewhere and get the thing.

    That’s what we’ve done with content marketing, by putting it in places like you know, Facebook, where a consumer has to remember to find us to look for us.

    It’s no different than search, right? A consumer has to search for us by name.

    We’re making them do a lot of work.

    How do we get to them in a way that precludes having them work? Right? That’s there when they want us there? It’s there before they want us there just moments before? You know you’re thinking about, gosh, what am I going to have for lunch today and the email arrives, or a text message goes off? Or an app notification goes off? That says hey, order from your local Chinese restaurant today? Here’s the manual.

    Here’s the special.

    And it’s timed using AI and predictive analytics and all sorts of cool data.

    So that the moment you’re thinking about Hmm, okay, and look, here’s an option.

    And I don’t have to think like, that sounds good.

    I’ll do that instead.

    Right? That’s how you win.

    Disney is the master of that when you go to someplace like the Magic Kingdom.

    And you take the operations tour, which is really cool.

    And you see the magic behind the scenes, like when and how audio is played and how it follows you through the park and how those magic bracelets work and how even the aromas that are put into the air are calculated to encourage sales of meals and foods.

    Some people will call it a manipulation it probably is.

    But I would say that is content being delivered to the consumer matched with their expectations exactly when the consumer wants it.

    Right.

    That’s the bar we all have to meet.

    So ask yourself, how well is your content distribution aligned to what the consumer expect? Is it mobile first? Is it proactive? So the consumer doesn’t have to think? Right? And is it frictionless where the consumer doesn’t have to work to get your content? If you’re not aligned with those three trends, your content market is going to suffer

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Impact of AI on Content Marketing?

    You Ask, I Answer: Impact of AI on Content Marketing?

    In today’s episode, Brian asks, “What sort of impact have artificial intelligence and machine learning have had on content marketing?

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    In today’s episode, Brian asks, what sort of impact have artificial intelligence and machine learning have had on content marketing? Gosh, there’s so many answers to this question.

    But they, they boiled down to three things.

    Regression classification generation.

    So first part regression analysis, AI and machine learning have done an incredible job of taking data that we collect about our content and telling us what works, right, being able to say, okay, these channels, are these tactics, or these even pieces of content have worked.

    And there are a legion of mathematical techniques that answer those questions that that can demonstrate what really works and what doesn’t and savvy marketers with good in house data teams or with the right combination of vendors and agencies can use that information to to in their efforts to say we’re going to do more of X and less of why we’re going to create more of these kinds of videos and less of these kinds, and so on and so forth.

    So that’s part one.

    Part two is classification.

    This is especially important for doing research for content marketing, we have more data to go through than ever before, right? We have more content of other people’s to try and understand even though I was in the midst of doing some topic modeling earlier, for a client, trying to figure out out of 90,000 conversations about this client on Reddit, what are the relevant topics so that we can create a content strategy around the things people are talking about? And using classification techniques to sort of bucket and sort and organize this information, because I can’t read 90,000 Reddit posts in a reasonable amount of time, remember everything in them, and then distill them down into something that I can create a strategy around, but a machine absolutely can do that.

    And then from there, I can say, Okay, well now, based on this information, what? What’s my strategy, right, so that’s part two.

    And then part three is generation.

    And this is where content marketing is going to be in a very, very interesting place in the next few years.

    Deep learning models like GPT, three, or GPT, Neo x, or any of these, these really large language models, the various models of the BERT family can create text, they can write, based on prompts they’re given, and parameters and guidelines.

    And right now, they can generate mediocre content.

    Like they can write press releases, like nobody’s business.

    And they’re coherent, they’re sensible.

    They make logical sense.

    They’re readable, but their press releases, right.

    These are not pure howitzers.

    By any means.

    And this is a big improvement from three years ago when machines wrote garbage.

    Right? They wrote a nonsensical word salad.

    In another three years, these machines can probably create good content, not great, not amazing.

    Not Pulitzer Prize winning, but a step above mediocre.

    And what’s happening in the startup field in content marketing is you’re seeing an enormous number of companies appearing that are offering these services, hey, we can generate a million blog posts for you, they will all be mediocre, and relatively uninteresting, but the hit the right combinations of words and phrases that are coherent, and average.

    One of the challenges of artificial intelligence, machine learning and marketing is that the power law curve, right? There is relatively little great content.

    In the big picture.

    There’s a whole bunch of mediocre content.

    And there’s a vast ocean of crap.

    And so when it comes to training, machine learning software and hardware on what content to create, the pool, we have to choose from the content we’d like to create great content is very, very small.

    And so a lot of these companies have trained their machines, their software, on that middle pool of mediocre content because there’s enough of it for these pieces of software to work and we are seeing with These newer models, the ability to fine tune them, to essentially use the great content to nudge them in a direction away from the pure mediocrity they were trained on.

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    But it’s going to take a while for a lot of our content generation algorithms to be able to work with the relative sparseness of great content.

    And to be able to generate it on their own.

    Think about it.

    Think about your own blog, or your own newsletter, or your own podcast or YouTube channel, whatever, how much of your content that you’ve created, would you say is great, really terrific.

    Love it is done well, big numbers.

    How much of it is okay, I got off my to do list.

    And how much it was, well, that was embarrassing.

    Let’s make sure though, no one ever sees that.

    It probably very little ladder.

    Hopefully, it was caught in the editorial process and never saw the light of day.

    But probably most of your content is in that middle bucket of I got it done, I got it off my to do list.

    Not I made something great.

    And because of that, our machines are going to struggle for a while to replicate great, because there’s just not enough examples of it.

    Which means that for you, as a marketer, you still have an opportunity to have a long and rich and fulfilling career as a content marketer if you create great content consistently and frequently.

    And if you can create great content consistently and frequently, you will remain ahead of the machines because there are not enough people like you who can make the content that these machines can learn from.

    Right.

    That’s the impact that machines have had thus far.

    They can do regression like crazy.

    They can do classification really well, and they can create mediocre content.

    And they will eventually evolve in the next few years to creating good content.

    But it will be a while before they create great content.

    So that’s the impact

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Measuring Lifetime Value of Content?

    You Ask, I Answer: Measuring Lifetime Value of Content?

    Will asks, “I’m currently thinking a lot about measuring the lifetime value of (blog) content. Curious how much you’ve looked into that and what your thoughts are on the value of that exercise.”

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    In today’s episode, we’ll ask I’m currently thinking a lot about measuring the lifetime value of blog content, curious how much you’ve looked into that and what your thoughts are on the value of that exercise.

    So lifetime value is really a is a good exercise, it’s a valuable exercise, you can look at.

    Built in measures like page value, Google Analytics, you can see what the value of any given page is, based on how many conversions it participates in, and what the value of those conversions are, where a lot of people run into trouble is because they don’t have conversions and conversion values set up, that data is not in the application, and then you don’t know how much it’s worth.

    But if you know, for example, that even in a B2B setting, if you know what the value of a marketing qualified lead is, or even a prospect is, then when you generate prospects on your digital property, you know what that’s worth, and then you put that in the system and the system goes through, and it creates those values for you those valuations for you.

    I think that’s a very valuable exercise to see what content participates the most in conversions, which is really what that tells you how this content participates the most in conversions, and therefore, you should focus on it.

    And I think that’s the part that lifetime value exercises miss is, once the software or your computation method is done, you then have to figure out well, what do we do? Like what does this information tell us? What should we do next.

    And that the two things there that computation should do is one guide you to as to improving the value of that page by optimizing it some more, right? revamping it adding more content, if it’s appropriate, doing a lot of AV testing, or multi, multi objective optimization testing on the page with tools like Google Optimize, or Optimizely, or any of the AV testing tools that are out there, and to changing up your promotion strategy, right? If you have a page, say on your blog, that has an extremely high page value much higher than all the rest of pages on your blog, that should be at the front of the line for the recommendation engine, when somebody is on your blog, and they’re reading the you might also enjoy that most valuable page should be at the top of the you might also enjoy list, right? That page or collection pages should be featured in your emails, every single issue of your email newsletter, say, hey, some additional content you might like to read and you send more traffic to those valuable pages.

    In social media posts, those are the posts, those are the pages that you share more often.

    In case you missed it in case you missed it.

    Here’s this page that we know converts at a much higher value rate.

    running ads, you should be running ads to those pages and see if the traffic numbers hold.

    That’s one of the things that we do.

    I have a piece of software that that looks at a pages conversion efficiency, how many visits does it take to that page before somebody converts.

    And when I find pages that seem very efficient, and we run some marketing campaigns to those pages, get some extra traffic to them, and see if that conversion number holds, see if it continues to convert very efficiently.

    Or if it loses that because the analysis just showed what it was doing in the background, not when it was put in the spotlight.

    But that those exercises are what the real value of these lifetime value exercises are.

    The content itself, and the exercise itself doesn’t do anything.

    It doesn’t help you.

    If you don’t do something with the information afterwards.

    I would start with the built in page value exercises, I think those are perfectly fine calculations as a starting point.

    And you don’t need to install any additional software, you just need to use Google Analytics for that.

    Then consider up leveling to the more sophisticated stuff like we use machine learning to do the computations for the pages that most frequently assist conversions.

    And then that conversion efficiency analysis.

    And those are more sophisticated analytics techniques.

    But they’re better for helping us understand like yeah, this page is just not converting.

    Right.

    And if it’s a pillar content, you know, like

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    a page about data analytics on my company’s website and is just not converting that’s conversion efficiency is very low.

    It’s it’s ranking, the most valuable Pages Report is very low, then we know we’ve got a lot of work to do to fix up that page to get it to meet the expectations of both the search engine because a lot of the times it’s less searches A strong driver of content to those pages of traffic to those pages.

    And the user does it satisfy the users intent.

    And it has been my experience that pages that have very low conversion efficiency, it’s because they don’t satisfy user intent, a user gets that page expecting one thing, it’s something else totally different, and really was not what I wanted.

    And away they go.

    So make sure that you are clear as you do the exercises, what actions you will take, and what decisions you will make, based on the information you find.

    If you don’t have that written down, if you don’t, if you are not clear about those actions, those decisions, don’t bother with the analysis.

    Because it’s just going to waste your time.

    I am a big fan of a quote by Seth Godin, who says, you know, when it comes to analytics, if you’re not going to change what you eat, or how often you exercise, don’t get on the scale, right? Because your all that number is going to do is make you feel bad.

    And you’re not going to change your behavior.

    So you can’t you’re not going to make that number better.

    Right? So if you’re in house marketing strategies and tactics and things like that are not going to adapt based on data gathered, don’t gather the data, because it’s not going to change anything.

    Right? Instead, update your LinkedIn profile because that organizations do.

    Right? If you have people who are so data resistant and so analysis resistant, that they will not make decisions, when confronted with data that is unfavorable or whatever, that organization is going nowhere.

    Right.

    Any success it has is purely luck.

    So that’s what to do with that.

    So really good question.

    Really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Moving to GA4 Daunting?

    You Ask, I Answer: Moving to GA4 Daunting?

    Kate asks, “curious how everyone is feeling about the GA deadline to move to GA4? Does it seem like ample time to migrate from Universal…is it at all daunting?”

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    In today’s episode, Kate asks, curious how everyone is feeling about the Google Analytics deadline to move to Google Analytics 4.

    Does it seem like ample time to migrate from Universal? Is it at all daunting? My perspective is going to be a little bit biased because I spend a lot of time in Google Analytics, including Google Analytics 4.

    And my perspective is that yes, it is ample time because you’ve had two years to more than two years to get used to this new system.

    Google Analytics 4 used to be called Web Plus app.

    And that was available for I think, a good 18 months while Google was beta testing it and making sure the thing worked and stuff like that, in its early days, it was highly unstable, and very feature poor, but it did exist.

    Google Analytics 4, became publicly available in production in October 2020.

    And so now, a year and a half later, we’ve had 18 months to get up and running on this piece of software and and start using it start collecting data.

    And all these organizations that have delayed, even just getting started with the implementation.

    Yes, they now feel some pressure, they now find it somewhat daunting.

    And it is still ample time you think about it, it’s going to be what in 15 months from the day it is being recorded April 2020, was when I’m recording this, you have 15 months to get it installed, get up and running and get fluent in it.

    That’s a good amount of time, even for larger companies, even for larger enterprises, where people are going to feel the pain is the lack of historical data, right, the lack of historical data is going to bite because your data doesn’t make it over.

    Right? When you move from Google Analytics 3, also known as Universal Analytics, to Google Analytics, 4, your data doesn’t go with you.

    It’s a brand new piece of software.

    And as a result, people are going to find very quickly that it is a it is a challenge to get historical data.

    And so the sooner that you turn it on and get it collecting data, the sooner you’re gonna be able to look back and month over month and year over year and see what has happened.

    So I would strongly encourage people to not wait about it, at least getting data collection set up, you don’t have to get it perfect, right, you don’t have to do a mass, a huge mass committee meeting, just to get the thing turned on and collecting data, import your goals, or you can go back later on and fine tune it and adjust filters and all the things that you’re used to doing Universal Analytics.

    But you’ve got to get used to it sooner rather than later.

    One of the things that we were talking about on the Trust Insights podcast on Google Analytics 4 was getting people to make the behavioral changes they need to make.

    So one thing I did very early on was I deleted all my Universal Analytics bookmarks, I hit delete, and replace them all with GA for bookmarks, to force myself to use that to make that my go to my default, this is the first place I’m going to look for analytics data instead of the old system, even though I’m much more comfortable with the old system.

    If I didn’t, I knew if I didn’t force myself to switch over, I was going to have a hard time I would keep finding excuses, excuse me finding reasons not to use the new software.

    And I knew at some point sooner, rather than later, Google was going to say, look, we’re turning the old thing off, we gave you this brand new shiny object.

    You’ve had a year, you know, 18 months to get used to it and start using it.

    At some point, we’re going to throw the whole thing off.

    And they have they made that declaration.

    So I feel fine about that.

    I’ve been using Google Analytics for almost exclusively for my stuff now for probably about six months.

    Right? That’s the first place I go.

    You have to learn how the new system works and how some measurements are different and stuff like that.

    There are differences and how Google Analytics scopes, certain things and big differences and how it handles conversions.

    But if you’re used to it, it’s like anything else, right? Over time, it becomes natural.

    And after a while.

    You’re like, Okay, I don’t even remember how I used to do things in the old software.

    Let’s let’s just keep using new software.

    So it becomes more daunting, the longer you wait.

    That’s the short answer.

    If you’re already on it, there’s no doubting about it at all because you’re already on it.

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    The longer you wait, the worse it’s going to get, the more painful it will be to make that transition, the more pressure you will feel when you’re trying to use the new software and get things done that you’re used to doing.

    And because you didn’t have time to do the immersion, you will be frustrated, you’ll you will feel unnecessarily challenged by the software to to struggle through it.

    So I got I can’t emphasize enough, you’ve got to get yourself switched over and get using it sooner rather than later.

    I promise you it’s not as bad as it seems once you start using it.

    Yes, there are things that are different.

    But it is not like you’ve totally thrown up everything you knew, and nothing makes sense anymore.

    You were still doing the same basic fundamental things.

    You were still measuring traffic measuring conversions and stuff.

    There are differences, but it’s it’s like, you learn how to cook Japanese cuisine.

    And now you’re being asked to learn how to cook Korean, right? There are differences for sure.

    But there are also a lot of similarities.

    And there are only a certain number of logical ways you can do things that both cuisines share the same issue of Google Analytics.

    So it’s a good question.

    Again, I can’t emphasize strongly enough, get started sooner rather than later.

    Thanks for the question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Content Intent Measurement?

    You Ask, I Answer: Content Intent Measurement?

    Susan asks, “Some marketers say that clicks are not a great indicator of content performance. They say we need a tool that measures intent, what do you think?”

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    In today’s episode, Susan asks, some marketers and vendors say that clicks are not a great indicator of content performance.

    They say we need a tool that measures intent.

    What do you think? Oh, vendor recommending a tool? Gosh, I can’t imagine which which vendor they want us to select for that.

    I would agree that clicks alone aren’t necessarily a great indicator of content performance.

    Because a click really is sort of the top of the content funnel, right? If somebody clicks to a blog post on my blog, I know that they got there.

    What I don’t know is, did they read it? Right? How much of it did they read that they then go take an action of some kind implicit in that post, to do something that is a value.

    And those additional measures would indicate intent, right? If you’re on my blog, and you read a post, and you like, and you click on other posts, you may like and eventually you fill out a form, then I know that, that those metrics around that piece of content probably should be checked out to see if they correlate to the outcome I care about, which is somebody filling out a form.

    So the way that you do this, is you take all of the metrics that you have clicks, scroll depth, time, on page bounce rate, all the content metrics that you know, and love.

    And then you line them up at a really big table by day.

    And then you line up a marketing objective, some kind of quantified goal or conversion in that same table.

    And then you do the math, you do a regression analysis and say what variables which variables alone or in combination have a statistical relationship with the outcome we care about, it might be a bounce rate of 25% or less, it might be clicks, it might be scroll depth, 80% or more.

    Whatever the thing is, whatever the the metric combination is, you correlate it to the outcome you care about, and then you test it, right? So if you find out that time on page has to equal two minutes or more, well then start writing longer content, right? If you get people spend longer on the page, do you then see a commensurate increase in the number of conversions? If the answer is yes, if it’s proportional, then you know, you found a causation, right? You’ve said you know that longer content keeps someone on page longer, you keep them on page longer, they’re more likely to convert, that’s a causative trace that you’ve done.

    If on the other hand, you take your blog posts that were you know, 200 words, you made them all 1200 words, everyone’s bored of them, frankly.

    And you see time on page go up, but you don’t see conversions go up, then you know that in that initial analysis, you had a correlation, but not necessarily causation.

    And now in order to do this, you have to have an analytical infrastructure that supports a lot of these metrics.

    That means using tools like Google Tag Manager, or Adobe Tag Manager using tools like Google Analytics, or Adobe analytics, and or the matomo, or plausible, or any of these analytics tools, and you’ve got to have all the different measures set up like scroll depth, for example, just how far down a page somebody has read time on page, average time per session, how many pages per session, all these different metrics, you need to make sure are configured and setup in things like Tag Manager in things like Google Analytics, so that you can run the analysis later on.

    If you don’t have those metrics set up, you need to do that first.

    Right.

    And then as with almost everything in web analytics, especially, you got to wait some time, because those measures are never ever retroactive.

    They only call the start collecting data the day you turn them on.

    Once you’ve done that, then you do the math.

    And you say, Okay, well, what is the outcome we care about? Is it leads is it form fills? Is it context, a schedule a demo? Book, a free trial, you know, rent our timeshare? Whatever the outcome is? Do you have that data collected? And is it is it in a format that you can analyze?

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    There has been a lot of work done with trying to discern intent.

    And you can you can break down intent, very much like a funnel, right? Somebody goes from general awareness to knowing this problem, but not knowing what the solution is doing a problem knowing there’s a generic solution.

    And then knowing there’s a problem knowing there’s a generic solution, then I don’t know if there’s a specific solution, which ideally is your company, that progression of intent.

    It’s Something that you want to measure.

    When you think about it, all the different metrics that we have access to probably fall into different buckets within that, that operational funnel, right, somebody who’s just browsing who may be is the early stages of understanding the problem they have, but not necessarily in the market for a solution, and certainly not wanting to talk to one of your sales folks.

    Their content metrics might be different, for example, time on page, their time on page might be really long, because they’re trying to learn about the issue.

    On the other hand, somebody who’s figured out the problem, figured out the solution and knows you are the solution, their time on page might be really short, right? They know the person who’s trying to understand the problem, I spent 15 minutes reading a blog post, the person who knows that they want to hire, you might spend two seconds on a blog post, because they just scroll down to find the contact us form, hit that form and fill it out.

    And so even the content intent metrics that you have may need to be broken out based on the sort of that lifecycle of where the customer is in their journey, and then appropriately analyzed for each stage of the journey.

    That’s not something that’s super easy to do that requires a lot of crunching numbers, advanced maths and coding.

    It’s not something that any analytics tool on the market does out of the box, at least not to my knowledge.

    If you do know of one, leave, leave a note in the comments, let me know.

    But that’s how you would approach the path of trying to understand what metrics are good indicators of content performance.

    And I will caution you that just because something is a good measure on an industry study, or white paper does not necessarily mean it’s right for your audience, your audience may be different than the collective as a whole.

    Right? If you take toy makers, in aggregate, for who make toys for girls, and then you have Hasbro in there with my little pony is in there.

    There’s this whole subculture is a Netflix special about bronies, men 26 to 40, who are really into My Little Pony, that audience, I guarantee you behaves differently than eight to 14 year old girls, I guarantee they behave differently, they buy more, they consume content differently.

    Their intent is different.

    And so an industry study about what eight to 14 year old girls likes in toys, probably is not going to be super helpful if if you’re Hasbro and you’ve got bronies in your in your stable of customers.

    So you need to figure out of all the content marketing metrics that are available, which ones matter to your audience specifically means getting to know your audience, too.

    So that’s what I would say.

    Last thing I’d say is, if a vendor that makes content intent tools is telling you that existing tools are not great indicators.

    Take that with a grain of salt.

    And by a grain of salt, I mean, like a 40 pound bag, which is like what 20 kilograms.

    They very clearly have an interest in selling you their software.

    And so they’re going to position everything that exists as insufficient, and only their software will solve the problem for you.

    That’s been my experience with a lot of vendors.

    And it’s simply not true.

    Now, if their software does this level of analysis, great, maybe it’s a good fit.

    But if they just say well use our proprietary measurement system, then it’s, it’s our right and our need to push back and say, Great, I’m going to take that measure and do the same analysis as to do with all these other measures.

    And we’re going to find out if your tool is actually effective enough or not for our audience.

    And if it’s not effective, then guess what, we’re probably not going to buy it.

    So as you negotiate with vendors, if you’ve got the analytical chops to do this kind of analysis, put them to the test, right? See if they’re willing to submit their data for analysis, in the same way that you’ve analyzed all your other content intent metrics, and see how the tool performs.

    It’s usually never you never get to that stage because usually the vendor just bails out.

    So a good question, complicated question.

    But thank you for asking.

    I’ll talk to you soon.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Measurement Strategy for Behavior Change?

    You Ask, I Answer: Measurement Strategy for Behavior Change?

    Christin asks, “What measurement strategy do you suggest for companies that don’t sell anything and are focused on behavior change?”

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    In today’s episode, Kristen asks, What measurement strategy do you suggest for companies that don’t sell anything? And are focused on behavior change? Well, how do you measure the behavior change? That would be my question, right? If you’re measuring a behavioral change that your work is is doing, then what you do is you build a measurement model that is based on that outcome, right? If there’s a quantified way to identify that behavior change, then you can run things like regression analysis against your data against your activities, to see if there’s a correlation between the things that you do, and the outcome that you care about.

    So let’s say maybe you’re trying to reduce, or you’re, you’re trying to increase puppy adoptions, right, that’s a, that’s a pretty inoffensive thing, you want more people to adopt your puppies.

    And you do a lot of outreach and stuff like that.

    If you have campaigns that are running in market, bus ads, with cute puppies, and social media posts with cute puppies, and all this stuff, and you put it all in a really, really big spreadsheet.

    And at the very right hand side of the column is number of puppy adoptions by day and the all your day to day level, then you can feed that into a piece of software, statistical software that can say, here the combination of activities that seem to have a correlation to the outcome we care about, right? Maybe it’s it’s cute puppy videos on Instagram, and Tuesdays.

    Right? People are thinking about puppies on Tuesdays.

    If you find those particular data points, you can then say, Okay, well, now let’s test for causality.

    If we put more cute puppy videos up on Instagram, on Tuesdays, we put 50%.

    More up, do we see a corresponding 50% increase in the outcome we care about? If it does happen, then you’ve established causality, right? If if nothing changes, and you’ve just got a correlation, and it’s time to keep digging and finding new alternatives, but that’s the measurement strategy.

    Once you figure out what the objective is that you’re measuring in behavior change, then it’s a matter of taking the activities and the interim results, sort of at the top of the funnel results, and correlating them to that outcome.

    If you know, for example, that website traffic leads to more puppies being adopted eventually, even though there’s no clickstream, there’s no e commerce or anything like that.

    Then if the correlation trends, so you can say, Yeah, website traffic leads to puppy adoption.

    And then you can use measurement tools like Google Analytics, for example, to measure your website traffic, right.

    You have an objective, you have proxy goals of some kind, that things that you can measure that you’ve correlated to the thing you really care about.

    And then you can build a strategy around those tools for what you can, you know, you’re very familiar environments like Google Analytics, or marketing automation software, or CRM, software, whatever the case may be.

    But that’s the strategy.

    It is.

    It is doing the math, finding correlations and testing, correlations to prove causations around all the data you have, so that you can figure out what’s probably working, test it to see if it is working.

    And then building a strategy around that to say, Okay, we know, Puppy videos on Tuesdays, we got to create more of these in your organization goes from, you know, creating to puppy videos every Tuesday to like 12.

    But you know that that’s working.

    And again, it’s that you have to reevaluate that on a regular frequent basis.

    As your audience changes, as your audience grows, you want to reevaluate that to make sure that that measurement analysis holds up.

    So good question, especially for nonprofits and social good organizations where you’re not selling something per se, but you absolutely are trying to accomplish something that is quantifiable.

    Now, the exception to the strategy is, if you have an outcome that’s not quantifiable, there’s no way to measure it.

    You can’t build a measurement strategy around it.

    I would also argue you have much larger problems because there’s no way to prove that what you’re doing has any impact.

    But that’s a talk for another time.

    So good question.

    Hope this answer was helpful.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Best Time to Post for B2B Marketers?

    You Ask, I Answer: Best Time to Post for B2B Marketers?

    Ashley asks, “When’s the best time to post on social media for B2B marketers?”

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    Ashley asks, when’s the best time to post on social media for B2B marketers?

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    When your audiences listening, I was going to end the video there.

    It’s the same time as for any marketing, when is your audience paying attention to you? Right? Just because in aggregate people behave in predictable patterns does not mean that is necessarily true of your audience without asking them.

    The easiest way to figure this out is to literally ask your audience run a survey and say, Hey, we’re trying to figure out our social media posting calendar, we think you like our content? A, what times a day, do you want to hear from us on social media? And B? What kinds of content do you want to hear from us? Right? Asking people those questions, is the easiest, simplest, cheapest, and most straightforward way to get an answer to this question, and it will serve the needs of the audience that you have.

    One of the things I thought was interesting, when I was looking at the audiences, for myself, my personal audience, you and the Trust Insights audience, I thought there’s gonna be like a 90% overlap.

    And it’s not as like 40 ish percent.

    The my company’s audience is different than mine, which means that just because I can do an analysis on my personal audience, you doesn’t necessarily mean that analysis holds true for my company.

    And if two things two entities are, that are so closely related, have different audiences that big of a difference in audience, then it stands to reason that what you read in some industry, white paper or industry study may not hold true for you.

    Right? It may be very, very different for you, even though on paper, you may seem like you’re you’re have similar businesses, similar audiences, etc.

    The other thing to look at is, unsurprisingly, look at your data, right? Whenever we run into this question, the stock answer I give is, build a testing plan, right? If you want to know when the best time to post on social media is build up a whole bunch of content, and then run a test, and post every hour on the hour for 30 days straight.

    With clickable links, link tracking stuff like that, use a URL shortener that you can get data out of.

    So you can see when people are clicking on links, whether or not they go to your website or not.

    Look at your your analytics on the social media platform and say, Okay, what times are people interacting with our stuff, clicking on stuff, viewing our stuff, etc.

    If you don’t do that, if you just go with the data you already have, it’s going to be biased, right? If you post on Mondays at 9am, the best time is always going to be Mondays at 9am.

    Right? You don’t know that that’s true.

    Until you’ve posted 9am 10am, and 11am, and so on and so forth, all around the clock, after you’ve done all around the clock, then it becomes a little bit easier to understand, well, when is our audience actually interacting, and you want to do it over a 30 day time period so that you can see your intra week and intra week patterns in the data.

    Especially if you are sharing about a pretty broad topic where one time slots topic may be of greater interest to the audience than others.

    You can also reschedule and repost content that does well at different times to see if you have good performing content.

    If it matters what time you post it.

    So there’s a bunch of different ways to set up a good testing plan for this.

    There is no pat answer, right? There is no answer that works for everybody or even works for everybody in your industry.

    You just can’t know that because until you do the testing, because your audience might be different.

    If especially if you are like a B2B company and you’ve got a CEO or C suite executive are somebody who has very much acts as the public face of the company.

    When you have a real person, as the face of the company and as the voice of the company, then you’re going to attract a very specific audience around that person.

    And when you do that, then suddenly you’re not marketing on the generics of you know, we make airplane parts or whatever you’re marketing on.

    That person’s ability to attract an audience and who they attract is going to be be very different from company to company.

    There’s, that’s just the way people work.

    So that’s the best time to post on social media for B2B marketers is when your audience is listening.

    And you tell that by building and developing and rolling out a testing plan to see how your audience behaves.

    And by the way, that’s something you’re going to have to retest probably quarterly, or at least once a year, at least once a year.

    Christopher Penn 5:27

    Maybe one week, every quarter, and then a more intensive test because audiences changed, people changed.

    If you look at your email list, for example, how quickly does it churn? What percentage of your email list is churn the last year? With things like the great resignation stuff, your audience is changing really fast.

    There are a lot of people changing jobs right now and an audience that you thought you had two years ago may be very different than the audience you have now.

    So you’ve got to retest those assumptions too.

    So really good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Presenting Analytics to Non-Analytical People?

    You Ask, I Answer: Presenting Analytics to Non-Analytical People?

    Valda asks, “How do you recommend presenting analytics to marketing managers and creative teams who are mainly focused on their next project and not how the last one performed?”

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    In today’s episode Valda asks, How do you recommend presenting analytics to marketing managers and creative teams who are mainly focused on their next project? And not how the last one performed? My go to, when I encounter someone who is in curious about analytics and analytics results, is to ask the simple question, well, what do you get paid for? Right? What are you held accountable for? What do you get your bonus for? At the end of the year? What are you going to get fired for if you don’t do it? Right.

    And if your analytics and your data can draw straight line between what you’re doing and what that person is getting paid for, then it’s pretty easy to convince them, hey, you should probably take a look at the results from this last project or campaign or whatever, because it directly impacts your paycheck.

    On the other hand, if what you’re presenting has no relationship to them, it’s understandable why they wouldn’t care about it.

    Right? You might have this long and thorough and detailed analysis of your Twitter following and the creative directors like and how I don’t get paid for tweets, right, I don’t get paid for responses to tweets.

    On the other hand, if that creative director is being compensated for artwork that gets attention, and you can say, hey, when we have your work in our social media calendar, it outperforms everything else by 2.4x.

    They can then say, legitimately, hey, my work increases the benefit of our marketing increases the impact of our marketing by 2.4x.

    And for them, it’s super easy to say, Yeah, you should pay me more, give me a bonus, whatever, because I’m improving marketing by doing these things.

    Anytime you’re trying to persuade somebody to take a look at some data, you are essentially making a sale, right? You are selling them on the idea that what you have to offer is valuable, you want them to buy your idea with their attention, right with their influence with their decision making within the organization.

    And if you’re presenting something to them that they don’t want to buy, you’re not going to sell it, right? If you sold blenders and you’re talking to a person like me, who cooks a lot, and I don’t have a need for a blender, it’s not, it’s not at me, then you’re gonna have a really hard time persuading me that I need your blender.

    Right.

    On the other hand, if my blender just broke, I could have a relatively easy time, explained to me, the benefits your particular blender, but I’m interested.

    So because our reporting is essentially a sale of an idea, possibly more than one because we may be trying to sell people on an action we want them to take or a decision we want them to make.

    Then we need to, we need to format our idea in such a way that it makes the sale.

    And the easiest way to do that, you know, I had a sales manager years ago, who always said the radio station in your prospects head is permanently tuned to one station wi I fm.

    What’s in it for me? When you talk about analytics to somebody, what’s in it for them? What do they get out of? If they give you five minutes, 15 minutes an hour of your time? What’s in it for them? What is your analysis? What is your data going to do for them? If the answer is nothing, right? Then you’re not going to get buy in, right? You’re not going to get attention, you’re not going to get the kinds of things that you want out of that meeting.

    On the other hand, if you’re selling them a larger bonus for them, right? Pretty easy sale to say yes, I’m going to help you get a 20% Better bonus this year, they’d like to sign me up.

    Shelby give me all the data, right.

    Christopher Penn 4:35

    In every instance where I’ve had a client who was resistant to the data we were showing them it was largely because they didn’t see how it related to their work.

    They didn’t they didn’t understand the action they were supposed to take.

    They didn’t understand the decision they were supposed to make.

    And as time has gone by, you know, I know I’ve certainly gotten better at explain symptom, this is a decision we want you to make.

    Right? If your organic search traffic is down by 20%, month over month, I need you to decide on getting more inbound links to your site because without it, this number is going to keep going down and you’re going to look bad, and you’re not going to get your bonus.

    Right, being able to explain that latter part mix ago.

    Uh huh.

    Okay, I want my thought is how do I get my bonus? People are naturally self interested.

    And the more stressful an organization is, the more operationally challenged they are, the harder it is for that person to do their job in their organization, the more you have to tie your analysis to very clear decisions and very clear benefits in an organization where people are not, you know, under a lot of stress or, you know, feeling in a constant state of threat, you could present something like descriptive analytics, as more of an exploration like, hey, we have some cool stuff, let’s explore together and see what’s in here.

    And because people have the time and the mental bandwidth to go, Yeah, I’d be interested in seeing that.

    You don’t have to sell them as hard.

    On the other half the person is like, I got 22 Things To Do I triple booked for this hour, my hair’s on fire, just tell me what you need me to do.

    Right? You’re not going to get any buy in for exploratory data analysis, you’re not going to be able to sit down with them and spend time with them and say, let’s look at our data.

    They don’t have the ability to do that.

    They’re in a crisis state.

    And in a crisis state, you’ve got to widdle things back until you it’s it’s just the essentials.

    Here’s the decision we need you to make.

    Here’s the impact of making a decision, here’s the impact of not making a decision or making the wrong decision.

    Please choose.

    That’s it.

    So it always comes back to self interest.

    What is the other person going to get out of your analysis? And how can you be as clear as possible in that analysis so that they understand its value and so that they respect the time that you’ve put into it? And they take the actions that you want them to take? So really good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Advancing Analytics Maturity?

    You Ask, I Answer: Advancing Analytics Maturity?

    Shelley asks, “I understand the general idea behind the analytics maturity model, but how do you advance? Where are the instructions on how to move to higher stages?”

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    Christopher Penn 0:13

    In today’s episode, Shelly asks, I understand the general idea behind the analytics maturity model.

    But how do you advance? Where are the instructions on how to move to higher stages than descriptive analytics? Really good question.

    So the five layers of the marketing analytics maturity model are descriptive, which is answering what happened.

    Diagnostic chances, why did those things happen? Predictive, which answers the question, well, what happens next? What should we do next? what’s likely to happen next? Prescriptive, which is what should we do about predicting, and then proactive, which is when you have systems that permit you to have some of that automated So an example would be like Google ads, where the system simply just takes care of making changes based on data without your intervention? Now, there’s no, there’s no simple pat answer for how you move from one layer to the next.

    It really is dependent on three things.

    It’s dependent on the people you have in your organization, and their level of skill.

    It depends on the processes that you have in place in your organization that codify your analytics practices, and how agile those are, how responsive to change those are.

    And, of course, the technologies, the platforms that you’re using, as to whether those platforms enable you to do additional types of analytical work, right? If you just have Google Analytics, and nothing else, you’re kind of stuck in descriptive analytics.

    It’s not until you introduce things like surveying, that you will get to diagnostic analytics, and start to introduce statistics and machine learning in programs like Watson Studio, or R or Python, that you could start doing prescriptive, predictive and prescriptive analytics.

    The number one thing though, that will get you to move towards a higher level in your analytics is curiosity.

    Right? The ability to ask questions.

    For example, suppose you open up your Google Analytics account, and you see that website traffic to your blog is up 40%.

    If you just nod your head, Go, Cool.

    Put that in your PowerPoint for your stakeholders.

    And you’re done.

    Right? That’s I would call it being very incurious you’re not particularly interested in digging in, you just want to get your work done, which is understandable.

    And move on to the next item on your to do list that in curiosity precludes you from moving up a level in the hierarchy of analytics, right? You looked at the data, you analyzed it, you’ve clearly determined what happened.

    But then it stopped there.

    There was no Well, why was traffic up? 40%? Right, that would be the logical question.

    Was it just a fluke? Did we get a piece of coverage on Reddit that somebody mentioned us on Twitter of influencer? Why did that happen? That would be diagnostic analytics.

    If you in your analysis and your diagnostics, understand why it happened, then you can start to say, you know, is this something that is is cyclical? is a seasonal? Is this something that we can explain as a trend? And if so, can we then forecast it happening again? That would be your next step from diagnostic to predictive.

    If after that, you say okay, well, we know that every MAE there is going to be interested in our blog.

    It’s just a one of those seasonal things, then the logical thing to do would be to say, Okay, well, from a prescriptive analytics perspective, what should we do about it? Right? Should we run a campaign? Should we hire another influencers? Who send a whole bunch of email? What can we do? That would take advantage of that natural trend, right, if there is a trend? Or if you find out there isn’t a trend, but in the diagnostic phase, it turns out that it was just an influencer? Whose year you caught? The logical question be Well, great.

    Can we do that again? Can we do that differently? Can we do that better? Can we accomplish more if we put some budget behind it? So you don’t necessarily need to linearly move from diagnostic to predictive if the data we’re talking about is not predictable.

    But you can move straight to prescriptive to ask the question, What should we do? What is the action we should take? What is the decision we need to make?

    Christopher Penn 4:41

    Each of the stages and the migration up to the next level and each of the stages is contingent on curiosity.

    It is contingent on asking questions and legitimately wanting to know the answers and being willing to invest in the answer You know, it’d be super easy if your cmo was like, oh, yeah, I want to know the answer to that.

    I’ll get it to me tomorrow.

    Like, I’ll know, this is gonna require some research and some budget, and some people.

    And if after you present your business case and say, hey, you know, we think we can increase our results 20%, but we’re going to need 50 grand do it.

    If there’s if the powers that be are like, Okay, that’s a worthwhile investment, then you can move up to the next level, right? You can say, Okay, we’ve we’ve analyzed our data, and we’ve found a predictable trend, but we need budget to buy some predictive analytics software or hire an agency to do it for us.

    And the, if the stakeholders say yes, then congratulations, you move up another rung on the ladder, on the other hand at the stakeholders, like oh, no, I think you could do that for free.

    Then you’re constrained, right? So that’s, that’s how you advance it is.

    It’s like anything, right? If you are curious, if you are willing to ask the questions, if you are willing to be wrong, and if you’re willing to invest time, people money to get answers, then you stand a good chance of evolving your analytics practice to those higher levels in the marketing analytics maturity model.

    Really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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