Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Data Preparation Pain Points?

    You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Data Preparation Pain Points?

    Naomi asks, “What is the biggest pain point for you in marketing data preparation?”

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    In today’s episode, Naomi asks, What is the biggest pain point for you in data preparation? Well, gosh, there’s so many things that can go wrong in data preparation.

    The biggest pain point, though, is that the data you have is not clean or complete.

    So very often what happens, particularly with marketing data, even with services like Google Analytics, is the data isn’t either complete, or is improperly collected, or, in some cases is just wrong.

    So for example, let’s say you have Google Analytics on your website, and you change themes.

    And you forget to put your tracking codes in the new theme.

    And you don’t notice this until the end of the month, when you go to do your reporting.

    The unfortunate truth here is that you’re out of luck, right? There’s no way to get that data back, it’s permanently gone.

    And so you’ve got a pretty big problem at that point, the data that you have, you can report on what you do have, but you’re missing a bunch, right? Is that sort of like a global shortage.

    And there are techniques to help mitigate something like that, especially if you are only missing a little bit of data, and you have an overwhelming amount of other data to work with? There are techniques called imputation methods that can guess essentially make a best guess at what happened on those days.

    But as we all know, there are marketing anomalies all the time, you may have had a tweet take off that day, you may have had an ad do really well, someone may have dropped an email.

    And imputation is going to guess based on things like predictive mean.

    So essentially trying to average out all of your other data and make a best guess as to what should have been that spot.

    If you had a successful anomaly that day.

    It’s not going to be picked up, right.

    And so things like your attribution analysis, as well as just basic reporting, are not going to be correct.

    So that’s one of the things that’s a big pain point.

    Another one is we have incorrect data.

    So again, let’s say you’ve got a website, and you’re running Google Analytics.

    Actually, no, let’s go do with this one, you’re doing your email marketing, right? And you’re trying to guess the open rate of your email marketing.

    But what you realize is that Apple’s mail privacy protection is auto opening, every email that you send to anybody who use the Mail app on iPhone or the back, and things like that.

    And so your data is there.

    But it’s not correct.

    Right? Is it is functionally incorrect, changed by this technology.

    And you can no longer rely on that information.

    Because it’s not real.

    It’s not what you’re trying to gauge, you’re trying to decide, are the emails that we’re sending out to people? Are they being open.

    And if a machine is opening every single email, then you don’t know that whether a person ever put eyes on that or not, or if it’s just done by a machine.

    And so that’s an example of where you have corrupted data, right.

    And you can have the same thing with Google Analytics, too, right? You have bots, and spam traffic showing up in new Google Analytics.

    It looks 10,000 visitors yesterday to your website, but 9900 of them were automated traffic.

    Again, that’s not something that you can easily repair.

    The challenge with all these different ways our data goes wrong is that in many cases, they’re not repairable.

    And they’re not something we can go back and re get, right.

    We can’t go back in time.

    We can only collect data and process data from right now moving forward.

    So if you’ve got bad data in your wherever it is, you store your data.

    And you don’t know that it’s bad.

    You could be making really bad reports and really bad forecasts from it.

    So that’s the biggest point in Data Prep is knowing whether your data is any good or not.

    Because if it is good, then you can work with it.

    You can do statistics and data science and machine learning and artificial intelligence, and all the fun stuff.

    But if your data is bad, you can’t do any of that.

    It’s like cooking, right? No matter what cool appliances you own, no matter how skilled you are as a chef, if your ingredients are bad,

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    there’s not much you’re cooking, right? If you if you had meant to buy flour, and instead you got sand, I don’t care how good a cook you are, you’re not making anything edible.

    Right? So that’s really is the the biggest pain point in data preparation.

    And a lot of companies that do you know, data preparation services, IBM has it built into Watson Studio, this tableau Data Prep and things like that.

    There’s all these different tools that makes the processing and the preparing of data better and easier.

    But none of them can address bad data, you know, poor data quality, none of them ever will be able to no matter what a vendor promises, there is no tool ever that will be invented that will go back in time and get you clean data from from the past.

    I mean, if you do have a time machine, I think I can think of better things to do with that than than fixing your marketing data.

    But good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Most Effective Content Modalities?

    You Ask, I Answer: Most Effective Content Modalities?

    Donna asks, “How do you know which content modality (video, ebook, blog post) performs best?”

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    In today’s episode, Donna asks, How do you know which modality which content modality like videos, ebooks, blog posts that are performed best? Well, the answer to this question depends on the amount of effort and governance and technical skill that you have.

    And there’s three different answers.

    So let’s go through these answers in order, the easiest way to make this determination for content that lives on your website.

    And that’s what you’re measuring, is to look in Google Analytics.

    If you have done a good job of setting up properly, and you have goals and goal values set up, then when you look inside Google Analytics, you can look at things like page value as a measure to see okay, how much economic value has any individual URL on your website, given that number is inferred Google Analytics does it with a particular type of machine learning, and will tell you very quickly what a URL is worth.

    Now, if you’ve done a good job with your governance, meaning, you have a list of URLs, and you know what kinds of content types, they are like, this pile of URLs or blog posts, this type of pile is podcast cetera, then even in just Microsoft Excel, you could do a VLOOKUP, between the goals and goal values by page from Google Analytics, and the content types from your governance.

    And very quickly classify which type of content has driven the most economic value, you can, if you want to get fancy do do the same thing with like Markov chain models and stuff to do a more thorough content attribution model.

    But just that basic, as long as that data is there is good enough to get a sense of what content is or is not working.

    So that’s, that’s number one.

    Number two, is if you’re trying to measure the performance of content that is not on your site, such as YouTube, or a podcast in the Apple Store, or things like that, you have to use a more sophisticated model.

    What you would need to do is export from Google Analytics, again, your sessions and goal completions and things by day, along with all the different source and medium combinations.

    And then you would need day level data from all your media channels, like number of YouTube visits per day, number of YouTube likes per day, number of Facebook likes per day, number of Twitter likes per day, and so on and so forth.

    And those would be by content types of videos, you post it on Instagram videos, you post it on YouTube videos, you post it on Tik Tok, and you’ll create this massive spreadsheet of all this different stuff.

    And then you’ll pick an objective from that spreadsheet, could be Google Analytics conversions, could be sessions could be data further down the funnel if you have it.

    And then using a statistical technique called multiple regression, you will have machines assist you in figuring out which combination of variables have the strongest mathematical correlation to the outcome that you’ve chosen.

    So if you choose website traffic, for example, then it would look at all these different combinations and say this combination of variables indicates that there is a relationship between the activities and the content types by their metrics and the the outcome that you care about.

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    From then you have to build a testing plan, because you’ve established with that technique correlation, but you have not established causation, you cannot say for sure that these other variables cause an increase in the outcome you care about.

    But if it says for example, that YouTube videos, views are highly correlated with the outcome you care about, then you could say, Okay, well, if I get more views by maybe running some ads, or just publishing more videos or trying different things on YouTube, if I get more views do I see a commensurate increase in the outcome I care about so much 50% More views? Do I get 50% more conversions? You would run that test over a period of time and then establish yet either yes, that’s true and that you can prove a causal relationship, or no, it’s just correlative, and there’s no causation or could even be reverse causation.

    So that’s step two.

    Step three requires no computational stuff.

    But it does require a lot of effort.

    And step three is very simple.

    At every point of intake, ask people, How did you hear about us? Or what made you come in today or things like that.

    And depending on the kind of business you have, that could be a fairly extensive effort.

    It could mean things like cashiers asking that or front door greeters asking that and recording the answers and submitting them.

    Now, obviously, if you’re an online business, it’s a lot easier because you can just put a field in a plain text field in a form says, what made you shop with us today or something like that? And then, in those answers, you’ve got to look inside and say, Okay, well, how often does YouTube show up? How often does a podcast show? How often does an e book show up? In those answers of how do you hear about us? If the answer is never for any of them, then you have a good sense that your various content modalities are not working? Right.

    On the other hand, if you see that your YouTube series is half the time, then you know, that’s really working for us.

    Let’s Let’s keep doing that.

    The reason I put that one at the end is because it is a lot of effort.

    And depending on the kind of business you have, it’s a lot of effort from a lot of people, right? Because even if you have an online portion to a brick and mortar store, the people who come in from the brick and mortar store may be behaving differently than the people who come in online.

    So you can’t just use online data for a store that is both online and brick and mortar, you want to be asking across the company across the different touchpoints with the customer to understand, yes, this is this the effect these channels have all over, for example, someone could see your stuff online, say on Twitter, and react online.

    Someone might see your stuff on YouTube.

    And then the next time they’re out and about, they might visit your store.

    And so that’d be a different audience.

    It’s a different audience, that content modality would work differently for one group than the other.

    And that’s why that third option, even though it seems simple, and is simple, it’s not easy.

    It requires a lot of effort on your part to put the answers together.

    But that’s how you determine content modalities and their effectiveness.

    It’s it’s straightforward requires a lot of processing.

    But the answers will help illuminate what you should do less and more of So great question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Analytics That Impact Conversions

    You Ask, I Answer: Analytics That Impact Conversions

    Brian asks, “What are the most useful analytics you track that have the biggest impact on conversions?”

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    In today’s You ask I answer Brian asks, what are the most useful analytics you track that had the biggest impact on conversion or goal attainment? It depends, it depends.

    One of the things that we have to do if we want to become proficient at analytics, is get away from the idea that there is an always guaranteed number, or an always guaranteed formula that will tell us how we’re doing that will tell us how things are going.

    There isn’t.

    It vary so wildly, not only from company to company, but even in your own data, to the point where you may have to do more sophisticated analysis on a regular and frequent basis to determine whether or not something’s actually working.

    So let me give you an example.

    Imagine you download all your Google Analytics data, your source, your medium by date and goal conversions, sessions and all that good stuff, right? And you have the very valid question.

    What are the things that alone or in combination have the highest mathematical relationship a correlation to the outcome, you care about conversions? The answer to that requires some math.

    Specifically, there’s a few different techniques you can use to get that not answered.

    The first is, if you if there’s a defined time based series of data, you can do what’s called Markov chain modeling, where you are testing to see if the addition or subtraction of a channel in a chain of events, influences conversion.

    And the analogy that we often use for this is something like a basketball game, right, you have a bunch of players on the court, some of those players are really good shooters, right, they can score a three point shot halfway across the court.

    And they’re really, really good at getting the ball in the basket.

    However, in order for them to do their job, somebody needs to get them the ball.

    So there are also an equal number of players who have or don’t have good passing game.

    And their passing game enables the shooters to win.

    So who’s more important? Logically, we understand that there is no who’s more important, right? So those roles is vital to winning the game.

    The question is, how much does a player contribute? If you pulled this player out of the game, would you score less or more baskets, right, and you swap them in with a different player.

    That’s what Markov chain modeling does.

    And if you have those time series based chains of evidence, you can detect that with the help of machine learning, and be very effective at modeling to understand what it is that you should be doing more of.

    So when you run this, you would run an attribution analysis and figure out social media is working, or emails working, or SEO isn’t working, and so on, and so forth.

    And that gives you some good guidance.

    If you can’t do that, because you don’t have the data, you don’t have that chain of evidence.

    Your next best bet is something like multiple regression analysis.

    And this is where, imagine that all your data is on that big huge spreadsheet, you have what’s called a response column, the variable that you care about conversions, then you look at what are the mathematical correlations of every column alone or together that has the highest relationship to that conversions number? That’s a second way of doing that analysis to figure out okay, well, what are those things that indicate a relationship that you could then go test? So it may be it’s sending email on Tuesdays, and five tweets a day? I’m just making this up.

    But if you did that, and he did a multiple regression analysis, and you found those things that would then give you a testing plan, right? Let’s say if you say, email on Tuesdays five tweets a day.

    What happens if we go to 10 tweets a day on Tuesdays? Do we see lift right, we see a change.

    That’s us another method to determine what’s working.

    A third method is to use what’s called principal component analysis where you take the correlations of all these data points and you slim them down until You figure out what are the remaining variables left that make a difference of some kind that’s statistically relevant.

    And that would help you narrow, say 500 sources and mediums down to maybe your top 25, or your top 10.

    All three of these techniques are good.

    They all have situational use.

    They’re not no one technique is perfect for every single use case.

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    But what this does is it lets you select the metrics that matter.

    Because again, sometimes things will matter that you don’t think matter.

    I ran this recently found my own data.

    And I found that Twitter followers, the number of new Twitter followers, I got actually mattered, which was like all those months ago, really, but turns out it, it had a correlation.

    So I went out and started some do some Twitter campaigns to try and see if I could influence the number of followers I get, and then look to see, is there a relationship, a change a lift from doing that? If there is a lift, then I know it’s causal.

    more followers equals more conversions.

    If I do that, and there is no lift, then I know it’s just a correlation, perhaps spurious but there’s no causal effect between followers and conversions.

    So that’s the kind of thing you need to do.

    That means that there is no most useful analytics, like web or social or email is there isn’t? Because it varies.

    It depends on what’s happening in your data and in your marketing and with your audience.

    And it depends on time, it depends on who was involved, the offers being made.

    There’s a lot of extra variables, but that would be the first thing I would suggest from a an analytics perspective to figure out how do we tease out this information in such a way that we can then have something to test to prove that we know what is and is not working? Really good question is a challenging question to answer.

    You need some firepower, some analytical firepower to pull it off.

    It’s not something that you can just do quickly in Excel.

    But thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Email Marketing and Google Analytics Tracking

    You Ask, I Answer: Email Marketing and Google Analytics Tracking

    Heather asks, “Do you do custom UTMs for every link in your email newsletters? Or do you let your email marketing platform’s tracking codes step into the gap?”

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    In today’s episode, Heather asks, do you use custom UTM tracking codes for every link in your email newsletters? Or do you let your email marketing platforms tracking codes step into the gap? Oh, well, it depends.

    It depends on your email marketing platform.

    One of the challenges is that not all email marketing platforms are the same.

    Not all of them have the same commitment to analytics.

    Excellent.

    And so a lot of the time, I find myself hard coding those links using URL shortener, some kind of a tool, that’s an open source tool called yours is y o u r l s.org.

    And it’s a self hosted URL shortener, if you’ve ever used, say, Bitly, or any other major URL shortening, software, it’s exact same thing, but it’s yours.

    So it runs on your domain.

    And you can make it you can buy your own domain shortening domains, like I use espn.com, for my my short links.

    And in there as a module for Google Analytics, so Google Analytics integration, allows it to send tracking data and append all the UTM codes exactly the way that I want them to be set.

    That makes shortening URLs a lot easier.

    And then I use that software for social media, for private social media for emails, you name it.

    And I do that, because in Google Analytics, three, there’s a lot of flexibility when it comes to how you can define sources and mediums and default channel groupings.

    So anytime you’re in the application, where you’re looking at default channel groupings, like an attribution analysis, out of the box, it’s not usually right.

    That’s just the nature of the beast.

    But you can customize it, you can say, Okay, any traffic from facebook.com should always be counted to social media, right? You can’t do that in Google Analytics for Google Analytics for all the channel definitions that you see in the application are hard coded in by Google, and we don’t get a choice.

    And so if we have email marketing software, or marketing automation software, that is sending non standard UTM codes, meaning that it’s doing things are capitalizing them, it’s switching them back and forth.

    Whatever the case is, we don’t want our arc software, sending that data to Google Analytics for because then a major channel, right social media or email is going to get mis attributed, it’s gonna get put in the wrong bucket or no bucket at all.

    And then the built in attribution tools, and Google Analytics force simply will not work.

    So to answer your question, it depends on your platform software, if they are adhering to Google’s best practices, and they are showing up with the correct UTM tracking codes for the source and the medium they working for, then use the built in ones.

    On the other hand, if they are non standard, or non compliant, then you’re better off making the UTM tracking codes yourself in a URL shortener and putting the shortened URLs in the email because even then, if the software sends the wrong UTM codes, the moment that the visitor clicks on that link goes to your URL shortener, your URL shortener will expand it.

    And it will have the correct UTM codes, the other ones the old ones will get dropped off in they’ll have the correct new ones on there.

    And that will give you much better data.

    So it depends, you have to do some testing, right? You’ll have to do some testing to figure out is this something that is correct? Or is this something as non compliant? I strongly recommend that you check out the UTM tracking defaults for default channel groupings for both Google Analytics three, and Google Analytics four you can find the documentation right on Google’s website, and make sure that you compare it with what your email software is sending.

    Great question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Identifying Working Topics in Content Marketing

    You Ask, I Answer: Identifying Working Topics in Content Marketing

    Matt asks, “How do you know which content topics are working?”

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    In today’s episode, Matt asks, How do you know what topics convert the best? This is a very common question and is a very challenging question because it requires a lot of lifting on your part, to know this.

    First, in all the content you have, how well is it tagged? Right by topic.

    This is a topic kata email marketing, this is a topic about SEO, this is a topic about social media, and so on and so forth.

    So you all of your content in your data has to be tagged to say like, this is what the topic of this of this thing is.

    And then you need outcomes, like, how do you know what converts the best? Well, it depends on the conversion type, like what kind of conversion is a newsletter subscription? Is it a form fill? Is it a purchase, what is the conversion you’re trying to get? And then you have to mix these things together.

    So imagine a big old spreadsheet, right.

    And you have every blog post you have on your blog, for example.

    And you have it’s by day, and you have the your conversions per day, ideally, you have it at a at a per blog post level using something like Markov chain modeling, which we talked about in an earlier episode this week.

    Ideally, that’s in there as well.

    And then in that table, you will have tagged either manually or machine assistance, whether a post is about a specific topic.

    So you have, say a row where there’s an there’s a URL, and there’s columns as email zero or one, whether it’s an email post is a column for SEO, zero, or one.

    And then what you do is, you summarize all that and you run a regression, and you say, Okay, we know that our response column is leads generated, or what have you.

    Do any of these topics, the presence of any of these topics in all these different columns have a influence or driving factor that leads to conversion, because you’re still going to have other metrics in there, like sessions time on page, bounce rate, and all that stuff, all that is in there should be in there.

    But those topics that you’ve identified and coded into your data will become part of the algorithm that you run.

    To do that analysis to say, this combination of three things, lead seems to have the highest correlation to conversion.

    So posts on Wednesdays right posted a 700 characters long, and posts about email marketing, all three of those factors in combination lead to this outcome you care about.

    And that information then allows you to start building a testing plan.

    That testing plan gives you the insights you need to say, Okay, we’ve now proven correlation that posts on Wednesdays there are 700 words long about email marketing, seem to convert best.

    Let’s do a bunch of those.

    And see if you double the number of posts on Wednesdays about email marketing the 700 words long, do you see a doubling in your conversions? If the answer is yes, now you’ve teased out causality? If the answer is no, then what you had was correlative, and not causal.

    So that’s how you you make that determination.

    on topics, it’s a lot of work, it’s a lot of work, because even if you do it like bag of words, style, where if a post has the words, email marketing in it as an email marketing post, it still takes time to tag through.

    Now if you got a really big website, you could use like deep learning to try and read the content and assign it topics.

    But again, even that’s still a little bit iffy.

    And that still requires a lot of training data, right? A lot of information to tell the machines, here’s what this is about based on previous examples.

    So that part is tricky as well.

    But I would do that I would, I would tag it to the best of your ability, run the regression analysis and then say, yep, topics, whatever they are, however many of you have, either are or are not mathematically suggestive of the outcome you care about.

    And then you build your testing plan.

    Good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Content Analytics for Effectiveness

    You Ask, I Answer: Content Analytics for Effectiveness

    Sunny asks, “How do you create an argument (using data) that a piece of content is “working”. Is there a go-to formula you can pull to say – yes, kinda/sorta, needs work, or nope?”

    You Ask, I Answer: Content Analytics for Effectiveness
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    In today’s episode, Sonny asks, How do you create an argument using data that a piece of content is working? Is there a go to formula you can pull to say yes, kind of sorta needs work or no.

    There’s a bunch of different ways to do this.

    The way that I usually do it for for customers is to run what is called a Markov chain model.

    Where if you think about every page or piece of content on your website as, say, a tile in a walkway, which tiles do people walk on the most on their way to getting to, you know, the front door, right.

    And then, based on the probability that a certain tile leads to the next tile, and the next hot leads, a person came to the door, you would say he would assign up importance numbers to those tiles, like this tile here, this is the one that everybody steps on, on the way to the door.

    The same technology is at play, when you’re doing these machine learning models for content analytics to say, this webinar, or this email, or this blog post, this is the one, this is the one that people always walk on.

    So let’s make sure that we assign the most importance to that.

    And then we know, we’ve got to send traffic there, we’ve got to share it on social media, run some ads, send an email, showcase it at a conference, put it in your Slack group, whatever the case is, whatever the the technique is, that is sort of my go to formula.

    Now, if if you don’t have access to that type of machine learning, and you don’t want to hire me to do it for you, which is fine.

    One of the other ways to handle that is to make sure that Google Analytics has goals and goal values, set up goals and goal values, because one of the things that Google Analytics does, it looks at the path that somebody takes as they traverse your website, and then the monetary value of the goal at the end.

    And then it infers the page value based on how many times that page appears in the path on the way to conversion, and obviously, what the conversion sizes.

    Now, for those folks who are ecommerce folks, that’s pretty straightforward, right? Your e commerce shopping software handles a lot of that for you.

    If you’re not an E commerce company, you can still do this by putting in a goal value and somebody fills out a form, right.

    So if you know that your average lead is worth 1000 bucks, then when somebody fills out a lead gen form 1000 bucks is what the value is that should go in there.

    And then once that’s in place, Google Analytics and start reverse engineering was the content value of every page on your website, what is the dollar amount that that pages has generated? And that’s, I would say one of the easier ways to answer this question of the two, I would go with the Markov chain model, because it is, I think, more accurate, and a bit more sophisticated.

    But the page value model is not a bad model, right? It’s, it’s certainly not terrible.

    And that’s, that’s my go to formula, if neither of those are our possibilities.

    Particularly if you’re trying to measure stuff off platform, like say, a page in your medium blog, or your posts on Instagram, then you can do multiple regression analysis.

    And this is where you take a big old table of every column of marketing data, you have Facebook likes and tweets and retweets and sentiment scores, and this, that and the other thing, and then you have a column at the end, which is your response variable, which is leads generated or sales made, or whatever the case may be.

    And then again, statistical software looks at all those different numbers alone and in combination.

    And says, this is the basket of metrics that has the highest mathematical correlation to the outcome you care about.

    And then once you know that, you can start to say, Okay, well, this piece of content or this channel really seems to resonate, right.

    If you have every page on your website with its, you know, with the number of visits on it, and then you have your conversions, you can see there’s certain pages over time, that have a strong propensity to convert.

    That’s another way of doing that.

    It’s a little more messy.

    But sometimes it’s the only way if you’re dealing with external data like your posts on LinkedIn and so on and so forth so that’s that’s the answer to that question it’s a good question thank you

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Best Practices for Reporting to Leadership

    You Ask, I Answer: Best Practices for Reporting to Leadership

    Tiffany asks, “What are some best practices and templates for reporting out at high-level meetings. Too often analytics can get into the weeds. No one wants that. What metrics should leadership actually care about?””

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    In today’s episode, Tiffany asks best practices and templates for reporting out high level meetings.

    Too often analysts get caught in the weeds.

    Nobody wants that.

    What metrics should leadership actually care about? What are you getting paid for? Right? One of the things that we often say is, what number? Are you going to get your bonus for this year? Right? And what number or what? Are you going to get your get fired? For? Those two really important questions.

    If you the answer to both those questions is I don’t know that I would say it’s time to update your LinkedIn profile, because you’re kind of in a really bad situation where you don’t know why you’re doing what you’re doing.

    Anytime that you’re dealing with reporting.

    You got to consider who the audience is.

    Right? So if your boss is making a dashboard for the CMO, well, what is the CMO care about what metrics are they held accountable for? are they accountable for lead generation sales qualified leads ecommerce carts? What is that person is paid for? What is it that that person gets a bonus for? That’s what goes on a dashboard, right? That’s what goes in your analytics reporting, because it’s fundamentally, building a customer centric reporting model, where you say like this is I know, this is the piece of information that you really actually care about.

    So here it is front and center.

    And then we can dig into the explanatory metrics, like why is sales qualified leads up 30% this month? Why are abandoned shopping carts? Down 17%? What is what’s going on? The explanatory metrics can go with that.

    But front and center on the big high level reporting is, what does everybody in the room getting paid for? One of the challenges and really big mistakes that a lot of people make when it comes to analytics and reporting dashboards is they try to do that whole, you know, the One Ring to rule them all.

    There is no such thing as one dashboard to rule them all.

    If you think about your organization, think about your org chart, right? That’s a big rectangle.

    And you have rows in this rectangle, the different levels, you know, C suite, President, Vice President, Director, manager, regular staff, interns, you’d have all these rows that are in your hierarchy.

    And then you have all these columns that are like verticals like finance, operations, HR, marketing, and so on and so forth.

    Imagine this table, every square in this table, needs to have its own dashboard.

    Because what the VP of HR cares about is not what the CMO cares about is not what the VP of Sales cares about, is not what the marketing manager or the web manager cares about.

    It’s not what they’re getting paid for, right? The website manager is getting paid for essentially keeping the website running.

    Right.

    So uptime would be a core metric, a KPI that they really care about.

    VP of Sales doesn’t give a rat’s ass about uptime, right? VP of sales is being held accountable for closed one deals.

    And so their dashboard should have closed one deals front and center.

    And then the explanatory metrics go in with that.

    That’s how you build effective reporting, right? It’s not about what you think belongs on there.

    It’s not about the insights you find it’s about what the audience who’s consuming the dashboard really cares about, and what they’re getting paid for.

    And if you can change up how you approach dashboarding, to that more customer centric approach that user centric approach, you’ll have a lot more success when it comes to getting people to look at your data, to review it.

    And to take action on it to do something with the data, do something with the insights, do something with the results.

    A lot of the times if people are not making decisions based on the data and the analysis of the insights you’re creating, it’s because they don’t know what to do.

    Right? The data is, you know that your dashboard may have a ton of stuff on it.

    They don’t care about the analysis may be unclear, like what happened.

    And the insights and the recommended actions that you take are not there.

    And so, as you go through and build this, reporting these analytics dashboards, that’s the focus you got to bring with it.

    leadership cares about what they’re getting paid for.

    Put those metrics on the dashboards.

    And everybody else in the organization who needs a dashboard should have been focused on those things.

    Now, one other caution I will have is that tools like Google Data Studio are really good at connecting you to your data, and being able to visualize it easily and in a friendly way.

    But as people build their own dashboards, sometimes what happens is, well, maybe that first time that you started a Word document, or spreadsheet, or whatever, maybe you were like a kid, and you found the font menu, and you used every single font in that document.

    Dashboards are the same way people have a tendency to do the same thing.

    There’s dials and speedometers and line charts and bar charts and they kind of throw everything in the kitchen sink at it.

    And all that visual clutter does is it makes the dashboard less effective.

    So when it comes to delivering metrics to leadership, streamline, make it as easy as possible so that when they look at they go, Oh, okay, I see what happened.

    I see why.

    And I know the decision that you want me to make increase the budget for this decrease the budget for that whatever the case is.

    Leadership should never be in doubt about the decision that you were asking them to make.

    Really good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Bounce Rate and Blog Content

    You Ask, I Answer: Bounce Rate and Blog Content

    Molly asks, “What does bounce rate REALLY mean when it comes to blog content?”

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    Today, Molly asks, What does bounce rate really mean when it comes to blog content.

    So we should probably clarify what bounce rate is, period.

    A bounce is when somebody comes into your website, lands on a page, and then leaves, they literally blink, bounce in and out.

    From a technical perspective, and this is where it gets messy.

    A tool, for example, a Google Analytics count something as a bounce, if a user comes in, does nothing, you know, goes to one page does nothing and leaves, the does nothing part is really critical.

    Because if the user does something that fires an event of some kind, then it’s no longer a bounce, because they did something, they didn’t just come to the page and then leave.

    So for example, if you have scroll depth tracking turned on, where you have people tracking, like, come to the page, and then how far down the page they scroll.

    Every time somebody scrolls a little further, it’s firing an event, you know, 10% of the page, 20% of the page, 30% of the page, and so on and so forth.

    The challenge with all of these UI measurement tools, because they’re really important, they’re really good, and you should absolutely have them turned on is that they fire events.

    And once an event is fired, that’s no longer a bounce.

    Right? So at that point, it stops being about so you may turn on something like scrolled up tracking and see your bounce rate goes to like 80%, down 2%.

    Because, again, those events are firing now, when a user interacts with your website.

    So what does it mean? In general, it means that the user came in, did something and then left.

    And that’s all we know, from a bounce, just by itself.

    We don’t know whether the user found what they were looking for what they didn’t, we don’t know if they’re happy or sad, we don’t know anything about this user other than in single piece of content out.

    Now, you may combine this with something like time on page, for example, if your bounce rate is high, and your title on pages, two seconds, right, and there’s 1000 words on the page, then you can start to know, okay, this page didn’t really satisfy the user, right? Because it should have taken them at least, at least three minutes to read that much text, right, if not longer.

    And if it’s two seconds, they didn’t read anything.

    And so a high bounce rate combined with a metric, like time on page is more indicative of the user experience.

    Now, when it comes to different types of content on your website, that’s where bounce rate starts to get interesting and useful.

    Right? When somebody goes to your blog, you know, you share a post on on Facebook or YouTube or whatever.

    And somebody comes to your blog, they read your content, and then they leave.

    Is that a bad thing? No, it’s not a bad thing, right? Think about what you’re doing right now.

    You’re watching this video, you’re reading the text.

    For this post, I’ve put up on my website, you come in, you read the thing, and then go back to what you were doing.

    Yes, scrolling through Facebook, or Tiktok, or whatever the case may be.

    That’s not bad.

    I’m not mad that you came in, got what you wanted and left.

    And so a bounce rate on something like informational content isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

    Where bounce rate matters, is when you’re looking at action oriented content.

    So they say you’re on my newsletter subscription page, you come in, you see the form, and you don’t fill it out a leave.

    That’s bad.

    Because you didn’t do what the intended action was, which was subscribed to the newsletter.

    And so bounce rate is one of those metrics that is very situational that is very context driven.

    And is something that we have to be very careful in interpreting, we certainly don’t want to roll it up into one big number and say, you know, our website’s overall bounce rate is 50%.

    So I don’t care if the whole website bounces, I do care about form pages, or contact pages or the customer chat window or whatever the case may be those I care about having low bounce rates on because I want you to do the thing on informational content.

    I don’t really care.

    So one of the things I think is critical to do in your own analytics is be a little be a little specific in how you report on bounce rate and say informational versus action oriented content, what is the bounce rate on each.

    If your informational content bounces 80%, fine.

    If your action oriented content bounces at 80%, you’ve got a problem, right.

    And that’s something that you need to fix up.

    You can even take it a step further, if you know there are specific kinds of actions people you want people to take.

    One is, say sign up for a newsletter, the other is register for a webinar, the other is buy, you know this thing with your credit card, you should absolutely be comparing the bounce rates of those different types of actual into content to see, which has the highest bounce rate, and be looking to try and reduce it on the most critical pages, the pages that generate the most revenue for you.

    So that’s what bounce rate really means.

    When it comes to blog content or any other kind of content.

    It is a measure of whether somebody came in did the thing left.

    And by itself is not very informative.

    When you combine it with additional metrics like time on page or the context of the page, or the importance of the page, that’s when bounce rate starts to be helpful.

    So really good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Unifying Mobile and Desktop Users

    You Ask, I Answer: Unifying Mobile and Desktop Users

    Anne asks, “How do you easily find out if mobile users who abandon your form come back later and use the desktop to complete the task?”

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    and asks, How do you easily find out if mobile users who abandon your form, come back later and use the desktop to complete the task? We really good question.

    cross device and cross instance, tracking have been kind of a bear to track for a number of years.

    But the good news is that a lot of analytics tools, like Google Analytics, for example, are making that somewhat easier.

    The catch is that whatever analytics tool we’re using has to be able to track across devices, it has to know that Chris on the mobile phone is the same as Chris on the desktop is the same as Chris on the iPad, right.

    And the way that services like Google do that is they every time you touch a Google property of some kinds, Search, Gmail, YouTube, etc.

    If you’re logged in, then the device ID because every single device has an ID, a unique identifier tag to it.

    It is unified with your login.

    And then Google knows, hey, even though Chris is on this device, this has its own device, and this has its own device, and this has its own device.

    Chris’s Google ID is across all three, so they’re probably the same person.

    Now, that means that you need customers who are within Google’s ecosystem, Which, admittedly is pretty easy these days, right? Because of things like Google search, and YouTube being such huge massive properties that there’s a chance that somebody is going to sort of identify with their Google data.

    The challenge is, if you have an audience that isn’t in Google’s ecosystem, right, there are some folks who are, you know, for example, in the cybersecurity industry, who are understandably, very, very reticent to share any information whatsoever with large tech companies.

    And so tracking those people period can be very, very different, difficult.

    So the feature that you want to look for in Google Analytics is something called Google signals.

    And this is something you have to enable, you have to go through it, you go into Google Analytics, and you look for in your settings, and you enable it after you read through all the legal paperwork.

    And there are going to be some industries where you may not be able to for some regulatory reasons, you may not be able to use Google signals.

    So you’ll want to check with your legal team, please, and not just turn it on and go, Oh, hey, that’s that didn’t work so and then once Google signals is enabled, then you will start to see those unified users in Google Analytics.

    Remember, as with all things, Google, nothing is ever retroactive, right? From the day you turn it on, you have better data, but it doesn’t impact any previously collected data.

    And so I would talk to your legal team and get that turned on sooner rather than later.

    You don’t need to do anything special other than turn it on Google kind of handles the rest of it.

    But you need to turn it on as quickly as your legal department will allow you to, so that you can begin unifying with users.

    Now, there are other ways.

    If you don’t want to use Google solution, there are other systems, customer data platforms that can do that.

    The challenge with those is, again, they still rely on third party data to a fair degree.

    And they are what my friend Tom Webster would call reassuringly expensive.

    In terms of the capabilities of bringing together that single view of the customer, some customer data platforms can easily run, you know, 50 $60,000 US per month, per month.

    So they are not necessarily for for everybody.

    Google signals, on the other hand, is kind of bundled in for free.

    And even though you don’t get unified data in a downstream system, like a CRM, you at least get the view of it in Google Analytics.

    So that would be my suggestion would be making sure that you use the systems and the tools that are available to try and figure out if that mobile user then came back on the desktop, and you can see that in Google Analytics, you can look at goal completions where somebody split across mobile simple devices it’s one of the built in reports so once you’ve got signals in place then you’re all good to go it’s a good question thanks for asking

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