Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Why Do Language Models Have So Much Trouble With Facts?

    You Ask, I Answer: Why Do Language Models Have So Much Trouble With Facts?

    In today’s episode, I dive into why large language models (like ChatGPT) sometimes provide incorrect information. You’ll learn how these models are trained and the limitations that lead to factual errors. You’ll also gain insights into how to get more reliable answers from these fascinating tools.

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    Christopher Penn: In today’s episode, Brooke asks, Why is it that large language models like chat GPT have such a hard time providing factual information, particularly credible information and credible sources? This is a really good question.

    It’s a very interesting question requires some knowledge about how language models work behind the scenes.

    The way they work behind the scenes is they have ingested huge, huge, huge amounts of text petabytes of text and a petabyte is about 1000 laptops worth of text, right? If you have a really nice laptop, it’s about 1000 of those just in text.

    And many models are trained on like eight petabytes, so 8000 laptops worth of plain text.

    And what they’re trained on is the statistical relationships among characters and words and phrases and sentences and paragraphs and documents.

    What that means is statistical relationships between words or concepts may not reflect factual relationships.

    It’s statistical relationships do not reflect factual relationships.

    So a model may come up and say, Hey, you were asking about, let’s give a medical example, you know, the effects of of COVID, you know, long COVID.

    There’s a lot of text on the internet about this topic.

    But just because there’s a lot of it doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

    Right? There’s certainly no shortage of people with factually wrong takes about about it that have posted a lot of content about it online.

    And so models, we’ll be looking at correlations at statistics of what corresponds to those terms.

    And when you ask a model, hey, whether you’re one of the ways to treat long COVID, it will pull together the statistically relevant answers, even though they’re not factually correct.

    Let’s say, as an example, let’s say there’s a there’s 100 times more wrong information than right information.

    Statistically, then you’re 100 times more likely for a model to to come up with wrong answers than right answers.

    This is one of the sort of the hidden challenges about language models is they are trained on a lot of text, they are not necessarily trained on a lot of quality text.

    This is also a challenge with even stuff that is quality.

    If there’s if it’s problematic.

    So for example, most books prior to the 20th century that were published, written by dudes, right, they were written by dudes, the majority of books were written by dudes, because women would have trouble getting things published.

    And so even if you had only a high quality sample of of public domain books, like the you’d see in Project Gutenberg, there’s an inherent bias to that data because the books that were written by women prior to the 1900s, may not have been published and may not have survived.

    And therefore, a language model that’s drawing on that knowledge is automatically going to be biased, right, it’s automatically gonna have trouble doing stuff that’s factual, from today’s point of view, using that corpus.

    So that’s why these models have so much trouble with facts.

    And when we do things like fine tuning them, and retrieval, augmented generation of all kinds of fancy statistical techniques, what we are trying to effectively do is Christopher Penn: to tell a model.

    Yes, statistically, answer A is the highest probability, but it’s wrong.

    I want you to answer with answer B, even though it’s statistically less probable.

    I’m going to use a science fiction example so that we don’t get derailed by politics.

    Let’s say there are varying opinions about the Klingon and Romulan empires, right.

    And there’s some folks who support the Klingon some ports, support the Romans, a whole bunch of people don’t support either one to think they’re both crazy.

    And what you want to know is, what is sort of the policy of the Klingon Empire under Chancellor Gowron? And the models come up with an answer that is statistically relevant, but everyone says, No, that’s not really what happened.

    I Gowron was kind of a jerk.

    And you know, he ended up getting killed at the end of Deep Space Nine, we have to then go into that model and break it, we have to, to, to break the statistics so that it aligns with reality.

    Christopher Penn: Even though there’s all these folks, you know, on the Klingon homeworld, who were touting the how wonderful Chancellor Gowron was, we’re saying probably even though that’s the highest probability thing, it’s still wrong.

    Gowron was a jerk, and he deserves to be assassinated.

    And Chancellor Martok was a much better Chancellor.

    That’s what we’re doing.

    And that’s why models don’t respond well, to a lot of different questions from a factual perspective, because it would take Christopher Penn: eons to factually correct every single thing.

    Now, the good news is that in a lot of models, basic factual things are not up for debate, like the sky is blue, the planet is round, and so on and so forth.

    Water is wet.

    Those basic factual things in the core, the source text are pretty much consistent, but anything where you have more wrong information than right, going into the model, the model probabilistically is going to return more wrong information than right.

    And companies that make language models can only correct so much like they can only fine tune so much, they will typically prioritize things that are high risk.

    For example, if you take a model that has been aligned, that essentially will answer questions truthfully, and you ask it a question that, in the makers perspective is a harmful question, like how do I make, you know, how do I make a trilithium resin explosive? That would, you know, take down a Romulan warship, something along those lines, a model is going to be trained to not answer that question, because it’s perceived as harmful, but it does know the answer.

    We have simply tried to break it along those lines so that it does answer when it’s asked those questions, what you end up with, the more the more than a model is intentionally broken, to be factually correct, the more likely it is, it’s going to go off the rails in some way, right? Because we are going against the statistical nature of the model.

    By forcing it to, to adhere to facts instead that are statistically less likely.

    So that’s the answer to the question about why they struggle so much with this.

    Now, how do you remedy that? You should look at language models and tools that have sort of a built in retrieval augmented generation system of some kind.

    So for example, Microsoft Bing will retrieve data from its search catalog and rephrase it with a GPT four model to be more factually correct.

    Google’s new Gemini has a little button that says, you know, check this answer with Google, which I like to call the Am I lying button, and it will push that button, it will look at its response compared to Google search results and say, Yeah, I actually don’t know where I got this information from, or these are the sources for this information.

    So generally speaking, if you want factually correct information out of a language model, you should be using one that has connections to some other database.

    And that database is going to then provide the factually correct information for the model to then reinterpret as language.

    Language models themselves are not factually correct will never be factually correct, especially in their foundational form, because stats and facts are different.

    So good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: AI Music Collaborations and Copyright?

    You Ask, I Answer: AI Music Collaborations and Copyright?

    In today’s episode, we discuss the intersection of AI and intellectual property rights. You’ll discover the legal nuances of using AI to draft text and images. You’ll learn how to avoid copyright pitfalls and protect your ownership of your unique creations. Tune in for this informative discussion!

    DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer and I cannot give legal advice. Only a lawyer you hire can give you legal advice specific to your situation.

    You Ask, I Answer: AI Music Collaborations and Copyright?
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    In today’s episode Pete asks, “What about collaborations with AI?” This is in reference to a blog post and a video I did on on AI and intellectual property.

    “If Vanilla Ice had used AI to generate the music he sampled, that music was there for public domain.

    He would not have owed any licensing fees.

    But what if someone had else sampled that Vanilla Ice song? How would they know which part was AI, which was Vanilla Ice? Or in the case of collaborating on books, will systems need to be developed that identify public domain content and copyrighted content? What will stop artists and authors from claiming they created 100% of their work?” Okay, first and foremost, most important thing: I am not a lawyer.

    I cannot give legal advice.

    If you are in need of legal advice about your IP, you must hire a lawyer, an intellectual property lawyer with experience in this domain and with the understanding that much of this stuff is still not settled law.

    It’s still working through the court systems in many different jurisdictions.

    So your lawyer will have to make the the best use of what they know about the current law.

    If you don’t have a lawyer, I would recommend either Ruth Carter over Geek Law Firm.com or Sharon Torek over Torek Law.

    Both of those are very good resources.

    So let’s talk about this: if Vanilla Ice had used AI to generate that that beat that Queen originally used in Under Pressure, and if that was an AI melody, then yes, Vanilla Ice would not have owed any licensing fees because works generated by machine in most jurisdictions cannot be copyrighted.

    If someone else had sampled the Vanilla Ice song, if they had sampled that just that beat and it was it was under a public domain, they would not need to license it either, right? So if if you use a tool like MusicGen from Meta, I think Meta makes that, and it makes that song, that beat, a beat like that, or any piece of music, and you then use that and sample that and reuse that, and other people use that, it’s all public domain.

    How would you know that is something that can only be settled really in a lawsuit, right? So if you sample someone’s work and they sue you, and in your suit you allege that that part of the work was generated by a machine and therefore immune to copyright, then they would have to prove that it was not.

    They would have to provide proof that your claim was invalid.

    In the case of books, right, same thing.

    Now, books and language are a little bit easier to detect the use of AI.

    Music is a little harder because there’s already so many synthetic instruments, MIDI instruments, that you can’t reliably detect the use of AI in the instrument itself.

    You could probably detect certain patterns of music.

    You could probably detect patterns in language that indicate AI, but there is no foolproof system for detecting it.

    Will systems need to be developed that identify copyrighted versus AI content? Probably.

    At the very least, what copyright owners will want to do is work with systems that help prove the provenance and lineage of the data that they have.

    Whether it’s a book, a music, a video, etc.

    There are initiatives within the AI industry, particularly in image generation, to watermark and stamp AI-generated images, that this is clearly made by a machine, etc.

    For words, that’s not the case.

    So that’s essentially how those systems work.

    Now what stops artists and authors from claiming they created 100% of the work? Right now, nothing stops them.

    However, again, if you say something is true that’s not true and you get sued, or you try to sue someone else, and they countersue and say, “Nope, you did that with machines,” you have to prove that you didn’t.

    And so again, mechanisms for proving that you did the thing and not a machine did the thing, they don’t fully exist yet.

    But certainly there’s any number of tools that can document the creative process, where using one of these right now, you and I are on this video together, and it’s pretty clear based on how much I’m stumbling over my words, et cetera, that this is not machine generated.

    One of the hints that machines are generating something is an absence of common mistakes.

    So stop words, in language itself, the use of things like misspellings, grammatical mistakes that are obvious, all of those are pretty good indicators that a human being will go behind a work rather than a machine.

    If you read the output from Gemini, or ChatGPT, or whatever, yeah, there’s some pretty clear signs like no grammatical errors that are severe that indicate, yeah, a machine made that.

    And also very common phraseology versus phraseology of your own.

    So that’s the answer for today, thanks for tuning in, talk to you next time.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: AI Works And Copyright?

    You Ask, I Answer: AI Works And Copyright?

    In today’s episode, we tackle the complexities of AI and intellectual property rights. You’ll learn about potential legal challenges when using AI in your work. You’ll gain insights into how to protect your creative output and understand the limitations of current AI detection systems. Don’t miss this important discussion on the intersection of technology and copyright law.

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    In today’s episode, PJ asks, thank you for the interesting overview on a very hot topic.

    This is about AI and copyright.

    I am wondering if one uses AI to help draft initial text in or images, both of which the author or creator subsequently edits or amends using their own skills and expertise.

    Am I correct to understand the resultant completed work is protected by copyright and does not require the AI creation disclosure you outlined? Okay, first and most important, I am not a lawyer.

    I cannot give legal advice.

    Please consult an actual lawyer that you pay to receive legal advice for your specific situation.

    So I cannot emphasize enough, I am not a lawyer.

    Now, my understanding of the law, of this in particular, comes from my friend and colleague Ruth Carter.

    They have a blog called geeklawfirm.com.

    So go check them out if you’re more interested in real expertise on the topic.

    My understanding from Ruth is that the work that has been done by human hands can be copyrighted.

    So if humans are typing away, the things you type or edit or color or draw, that’s yours.

    If a machine made it, that’s not copyrightable.

    If you have a machine first draft and you edit it, the parts that you edit, human hands touch those parts, are copyrightable.

    The parts you did not edit are not.

    Exception to this rule from both Ruth and Sharon Torek are derivative works.

    So here’s an example.

    If I have a transcript, like of this video, and these are all my words that I’m saying, my original works, and I put that transcript into a machine and I say write a summary of this episode, that summary is a derivative work and therefore is still protected by copyright.

    So the machines made it because it’s provably my original work.

    If a machine made something and you are in some way making a derivative of it instead of an original work, it’s probably still not copyrightable.

    Again, not a lawyer.

    In all cases, you are required to disclose the use of AI.

    At least if you’re adhering to the letter of the law for the EU AI Act, the use of AI is something that has to be disclosed.

    It’s non-negotiable.

    Whether or not it was part of the input, whether it’s part of the output, whether it was in the process, if you used artificial intelligence, you have to disclose its use.

    And the way I’ve seen this done very tastefully is Microsoft does this.

    I really like the verbiage made in partnership with AI or more specifically, which model you used.

    So you might say made in partnership with Google Gemini, an AI system, or made in partnership with ChatGPT, an AI system.

    And I like that made in partnership statement because it encompasses the fact that you have done something.

    You’ve done something that is an act together.

    So you don’t just hand off the work to AI and say, yep, bye, see ya, here’s the blog post.

    I hope you haven’t.

    If you’re using, if you’re doing it in partnership, AI may be a creative partner for you.

    But either way, you have to disclose it.

    That’s, there’s no way going around that.

    So, I would, for works that you are specifically concerned about, I would talk to your IP lawyer.

    And again, strongly recommend you have one or hire one.

    If it’s something that’s of value to you and your company should certainly have one, then that will help you just sort of navigate the specific copyright issues you have.

    For disclosure, you must disclose.

    No alternative on that.

    That’s the answer for today.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Reliability of LLMs vs Other Software?

    You Ask, I Answer: Reliability of LLMs vs Other Software?

    In today’s episode, we’re tackling the intriguing world of generative AI and language learning models (LLMs), focusing on their unique challenges and potential. You’ll learn about the differences between AI and traditional software, the importance of fine-tuning in AI development, and how this impacts its usefulness and reliability. Discover the concept of ensemble models and how they enhance AI performance and accuracy. Tune in for an insightful exploration into the evolving landscape of AI technology and how it’s shaping our future.

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    In today’s episode Oz asks, “With this AI stuff I sense a shift in thinking.

    The mantra always seems to be it’s not so good now but it’s quickly improving.

    This is different from new software coming out and it mostly kind of works and I can decide if it’s something useful for my needs.

    If not, I move on.

    No harm done.

    But AI seems to be this whole ‘imagine the future’ potential.

    How long does a person have to dance around with something janky before it either proves to be useful or not?” Oz went on to say, here let me pull up the comment, “A variation of this came with my need to get 10 four-letter palindromes that got 8 good ones and 2 or 5 letters long.

    Two things happened.

    Some folks said if I was paying for GPT-4 the result would have been perfect.

    Someone else said it’s on me to decide if 80% was good enough.

    These LLMs are weird, different from tools that are immediately useful or not.

    Other tools don’t ask users to engage all this murkiness at 80% where the understanding of it getting better might eventually get to 100%.

    So what’s going on? Okay, here’s the thing.

    Language models are a totally different kind of beast.

    They’re a totally different kind of software.

    And there are pieces of software that at their fundamental levels, they are never correct.

    So there’s three levels, there’s three tiers of language models.

    There are foundation models, which are the raw goods that have been assembled.

    And the way this works is, if you take the enormous amounts of text on the internet and do statistical analysis of all of them, what you will end up with is a model that could statistically predict correctly what’s nearby in a word.

    Right? For example, OZ is an Excel, Microsoft Excel MVP.

    If you look at all of the words near Excel, just the word Excel, you would of course get Microsoft, but you’ll also get words like surpass, exceed, transcend, any of the word spreadsheet is in there too.

    When we train, when we build these foundation models, when big companies like OpenAI and Microsoft build these, all of that is in there.

    And so if you were to prompt it, a foundation model and ask it about Microsoft Excel, you might get some gibberish.

    Because it’s pulling.

    It’s pulling up the words that are statistically correct for the query, even when those words are factually wrong.

    When we do what’s called fine tuning, what we’re actually doing is we’re actually breaking these models.

    We are saying, hey, what you answered here was statistically correct, but it’s wrong.

    So we’re going to say this is the correct answer, but it’s not statistically as relevant.

    If you were to, if you were to, you know, condition a model fine to it, you would say, always say Microsoft Excel.

    And then it would prevent it from ever saying something like, you know, Microsoft exceed or exceed spreadsheet or something like that, where there’s a word relationship that would be statistically relevant, but not factually correct.

    Now to the example that Oz gave, yes, GPT-4 is a better model than GPT 3.5, which is the free version of chat GPT.

    Why? Two things.

    One’s got a lot more data in it.

    It has a much larger latent space or memory.

    So it has seen Microsoft Excel, or in this case, its palindromes, more than say a smaller model will.

    But two, it’s more broken, right? In the sense that it has been fine-tuned and tuned with reinforcement learning with human feedback so that it gives more correct answers, what we call factually correct answers, which are inherently, at least with the way these models work, statistically wrong, right? So.

    I don’t want to say, I want to see more of this.

    It will give you probabilistically what it’s been trained to do to not be the statistically correct answer.

    If you go to an image model, I was just working on this the other day, and say, I want you to make an image of two dogs and two cats and here are the breeds, it’s going to really struggle with that.

    Why? Because while it may have seen a Newfoundland or a Chartreux or a short-haired black cat, it may not have seen them all in combination enough that it can replicate or have an understanding of what it is that it’s doing.

    Language models, but really all generative AI is probability-based, it’s predictive-based, which means that it can never be 100% correct, never.

    It can be 99.999% correct, but never 100% correct because the probability engine that is underneath all these things will always have the possibility of coming up with something realistically similar to what you wanted, but not factually correct.

    And that’s the distinction with these things.

    So will this always be the case? To some degree, the models themselves will always have that randomness in them, it’s called stochastic probability, that means they can go off the rails.

    The way to counteract that with a lot of systems is to not just have one big model, instead you have an ensemble of them that have different tasks.

    So you might have one model that generates, another model that fact-checks and says, “Hey, this doesn’t match up with my known data.” You might have a third model that’s looking for things like bias in its responses.

    You might have a fourth model that manages the workload among these things.

    There’s a whole architecture actually called “mixture of experts” which kind of performs this task to some degree.

    And that GPT-4 is not one big model, but it is in fact an ensemble of different models.

    No one from OpenAI has ever confirmed or denied that that is part of the architecture.

    But it’s suspected of that because it’s very difficult to get the speed and performance that OpenAI delivers with GPT-4 from a model that big.

    If you look at the open source models, they can’t behave in the same way with similar compute power.

    So something’s going on behind the scenes.

    That’s part of their secret sauce about why their software behaves so well.

    To the end user, to you and me as users, it just works well.

    It works pretty well.

    Architecturally, it’s probably very different under the hood.

    So that’s the answer.

    That AI is evolving.

    It will never be perfect.

    It will never not have the element of randomness.

    And the way to counteract that and reduce it as much as possible is through ensembling.

    So really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Retrieval Augmented Generation for Tax Law?

    You Ask, I Answer: Retrieval Augmented Generation for Tax Law?

    In today’s episode, we dive into the intricacies of using generative AI in tax law. You’ll learn about the integration of new regulations into AI models, and the dual approach of fine-tuning and retrieval-augmented generation needed for accuracy. Discover the challenges and techniques involved in making AI adapt to the latest tax laws for 2023. Tune in for a detailed exploration of the advanced use cases of generative AI in legal contexts and how to effectively update and train these models.

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    Christopher Penn: Someone asked on YouTube about a specific use case of generative AI involving tax law, and whether they can just upload the latest regulations to make a large language model answer current tax law questions for tax year 2023.

    The answer is sort of, here’s why.

    There are two main ways to improve the performance of a large language model, fine tuning, and retrieval, augmented generation.

    Now, yes, there’s a bunch of other tech is the big two fine tuning helps guide a model to change how it answers and retrieval, augmented generation increases the overall latent space.

    Go back to a previous episode of the almost timely newsletter if you want to learn more about latent space itself.

    In non technical terms, think of this like a library, right? Think of a large language model like a library, it’s a really big library.

    If you had a library, there’s no indexing system books just everywhere, right? You would have to wander around that library.

    Until you found the books you want to do very slow, very inefficient, horrendously inefficient.

    Now, if you taught someone or you learned yourself where in that maze of books, the tax books are, you provided maps and signs and guides me there’s indexing system, there’d be a whole lot easier for someone to get to the tax books in the library and subsequent visits.

    That’s fine tuning, right? Fine tuning is teaching a model how to get to specific kinds of answers return specific kinds of answers much more effectively and correctly.

    Retrieval augmented generation adds more books to the library, right? If you want a book on 2023 tax law, and it’s not in the library yet, the library will give you the next best thing which is probably a book on 2022 tax law.

    If you’re trying to deal with new regulations from 2023, that is not super helpful, right? Because it’s old, it’s old information, retrieval, augmented generation allows you to say, Hey, model, here’s the 2023 tax law, right? Add it to the library.

    And now the model has that information to draw on.

    But here’s the thing about this.

    The YouTube comment because it’s a good comment.

    It’s a good question.

    For this specific question of can you just add tax law to T to have it answer questions about current tax law? The answer is probably not you need to do both fine tuning and retrieval augmented generation.

    Yes, you absolutely need to upload the new tax law.

    That information has to be in the latent space, the model has to have knowledge of it.

    But you may have specific questions about the new tax law that have not been seen before.

    Maybe there’s a new regulation, a new law that was passed, that isn’t in previous models that wouldn’t be previously known, you would have to train the model to fine tune the model to handle those new tax law questions, right? And if it was a change to law, you would have to fine tune the model to not only know the new law, but then when when it encountered probabilities in index about the old version of law, to know that that’s not valid anymore.

    It’s not just as simple as add more documents, add more documents doesn’t help here.

    But you need to do both.

    This is where you get to advanced use cases for generative AI because it’s not just as simple as add more documents.

    Certainly adding the 2023 documents is helpful, and it’s better than doing nothing.

    But it’s probably not going to solve the problem.

    It’s probably not going to answer the questions in a correct way.

    Because all the patterns that it knows, because that’s all these machines are, they’re just probability and pattern generators.

    All the prob patterns it knows, are from previous versions.

    So you need to not only change the knowledge, but you need to change how the machine knows where to get the knowledge and which knowledge to go get.

    But it’s a really good question for understanding generative AI and what you need to do to make a language model do do what you want.

    So thanks for the question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Fixing Social Media?

    You Ask, I Answer: Fixing Social Media?

    In today’s episode, Mike questions why social media can sometimes feel like a “dumpster fire.” You’ll explore the role of machine learning algorithms in shaping your social media experience, focusing on engagement metrics like likes, comments, and shares. Discover how your interactions with content dictate what you see more of on your feeds. Tune in to learn how to proactively manage your social media content, ensuring it aligns with your interests and preferences.

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    In today’s episode, Mike asks, why is social media such a dumpster fire? Well, there’s so many ways to answer this question.

    Okay, let’s start here.

    Social media is, or can be a dumpster fire because of the way that the machine learning algorithms behind it work, the way they get data, and then the way they prioritize what they are going to show you.

    Most of the social media networks that exist today have very sophisticated algorithms for choosing what you see.

    And those algorithms are predicated very heavily on engagement, on what you choose to like, to comment, to share, to view fully.

    And in particular for comments, what language you use and what language is in the posts that you are commenting on.

    So if social media feels like a dumpster fire.

    It’s.

    Because your particular slice of the algorithm, your profile has a history of engagement with content that you’ve engaged with and lookalike content, content that’s very similarly themed.

    Let’s say without getting political, let’s say you were, you avidly comment on posts about the Klingon empire, but but you’re you’re, you actively oppose comment comment content about the Romulan empire, right? You’re all for the Klingons, you’re, you’re opposing the Romulans.

    And when you hop onto the social network of your choice and you see a post about the Romulan empire, you’re in there saying, you know, the prayer ship is all this and you know, they’re, they’re, they’re quantum singularity engines are dangerous to the environment and you’re just, you’re hitting the, the engagement button, you’re leaving comments and you’re yelling at people and stuff in the comments.

    What’s happening behind the scenes is that the algorithm is saying, this person really likes this content because they’re engaging with it.

    Heavily.

    Let’s give them more of this.

    They like, they, they engage with the Romulan empire, give them more Romulan empire content, even though you’re there for the Klingons, you know, you’re, you’re engaging with that stuff.

    And so as a result, the algorithm, these algorithms are not software.

    They’re not sentient.

    They have no true intelligence.

    They have no reasoning capability.

    They are just gauging probability.

    What is the probability that you will engage with this piece of content? Facebook, for example, and, and Instagram on their model cards, in their AI systems, they tell you, this is how we do it.

    We look at what you’re likely to engage with them.

    We score based on a bunch of different probabilities, a lot of which is engagement based, and we serve it up to you and more often than not, they’re right.

    So if you’re getting a bunch of stuff in social media that you don’t want, it’s because the algorithms either are looking at your history and saying, well, you like the stuff in the past, I’m going to give you more of it, or they don’t have enough data.

    And so they start essentially serving up semi-random stuff to see what you engage with.

    I’ve noticed this happens a lot.

    For example, on Instagram and threads from time to time, I’ll just get really wacky, random stuff.

    And it’s at that point when I know, okay, the system is trying to, to randomize, to give some random content, to see if I’ll engage with any of it.

    And if so, it knows then to serve me up more of that.

    It’s usually it’s a small amount of tasks, like 5% of the time, which is what you would expect.

    In a machine learning algorithm, that’s going to have some randomization so that you can expand the field of the field of search.

    All this means is that if you’re not getting what you want out of the social media channel of your choice, it’s because you’re not engaging with the stuff that you want, not to victim blame.

    But if you’re seeing only content about the Romulan empire, it’s because that’s what the system thinks you want.

    And if you don’t want that, you have to proactively.

    We go after the content you want.

    If you’re on threads or you’re on Instagram or you’re on LinkedIn and you love Klingons, go search for the hashtag, you know, Klingon empire or chancellor Galbraith or whatever, and like that stuff, share it, comment on it, you know, do everything you would expect to do from the content that you want to see more of so that the algorithm behind the scenes goes, Hey, this person’s engaging a lot with the Klingon empire.

    Engagement is one of our key performance indicators.

    Let’s serve them up more Klingon empire content, see how they engage with it.

    And in doing so that you will get more of what you want.

    Again, these things are not sentient.

    They have no way of knowing what you really want.

    They can only guess based on past data.

    So the good and the bad of it is that you are in charge of what you get on social media.

    There are on many systems, preference panels say, I want to see content on these topics, or I don’t want to see content on these topics.

    Use those, take advantage of those, and then just mash that like button on everything that you want to see more of an actively go search out for the things you want.

    If you want to see content about puppies, there’s no George of it.

    You just start searching for hashtags.

    And then as soon as you see, you know, that cute dog, you know, riding a duck or whatever, you hit the like button and you feed the machine learning algorithms, what the, the data they need.

    To make probability judgements along what you want more of part of the reason that we, things like misinformation and disinformation and fake news and this are so popular and works so well is because people engage with it.

    It’s that simple people engage with it.

    They hit like button or they comment on it, things that make people angry or afraid it works, it gets engagement and there’s no, if you look at the mathematics behind any kind of recommendation engine, there is absolutely no moral encoding.

    They are amoral.

    They have no morals.

    They only do what they’re told.

    They only serve up more of what is probabilistically chosen that a user is going to engage with, whether or not it’s good for them, whether or not it’s true, whether or not it is a benefit to society or not.

    These systems are not tuned for that.

    It would be very hard for these systems to even be tuned for that because you would have to have an agreement on what is valuable for society, right? If you love Klingons and you hate Romulans, there’s probably someone, you know, a member of the Tal Shiar from the Romulan Empire that’s all in on Romulus and Remus and they’re like, “Oh, those Klingons, they’re bad for society.” And there’s no agreement.

    And so these amoral systems simply just give us more of what we want.

    So if you want social media to be less of a dumpster fire, you have that power to a great degree.

    I have taken systems like Instagram or Threads or LinkedIn and five minutes a day of just liking things that I want within a week.

    Totally different experience.

    Totally different experience.

    I see much less of what I don’t want.

    YouTube, same thing.

    It takes a minute to right click on a video and say, I don’t I’m not interested in this.

    And suddenly the algorithms change and it’s more and more of what I want.

    These tools are a lot like the the fairy tale fable genie’s gin in Arabic that give you what you ask for.

    And the cautionary tale in all those old stories is be careful what you ask for because you will get it.

    And algorithms and machine learning and AI are very much like that.

    If you ask for it, you will get it, even if you realize later on, maybe I didn’t want that.

    So you have to be very conscious, very mindful, very thoughtful about what you want more of in your life.

    And the tools will help you get that.

    They will also help you get more of what you don’t want in your life if you engage with it.

    So really good question.

    And we could spend a whole lot of time on this, but I would strongly encourage you to go check out the model cards, the AI model cards for any social network that you use of any reputable social media, social media company will publish their model cards to summarize at a high level how their systems work.

    Read through them, read through them.

    So do you understand this is how it knows to give me more of X and less of Y? That in turn will make you happier and will give you a much better experience.

    Thanks for asking.

    Talk to you next time.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Content Curation Tactics?

    You Ask, I Answer: Content Curation Tactics?

    In today’s episode, Noel asks about effective content curation strategies, particularly for social media marketing. You’ll learn about both manual and automated methods to curate content, including the use of various tools and systems like SEMRush and Ahrefs. Discover the importance of defining your purpose and measuring performance to make your content curation efforts more effective. Tune in for insights into building your reputation and credibility through strategic content curation.

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    Christopher Penn: In today’s episode, Noel asks, What are some effective ways to do content curation? That’s a bit vague.

    I’m going to assume you mean content curation, perhaps for social media marketing purposes, where you want to be able to share relevant content to your audience.

    There’s two basic ways to do this right manual and automated.

    The automated way is to use any number of systems, there’s so many systems out there that can identify top performing content within a time range, and export the data, SEMRush, and Ahrefs, and spy foo, and Buzzsumo, and you name it, there’s so many packages that can do that.

    It’s just a question of you coming up with good queries for the systems that will export that data and the export the URLs.

    And now you’ve got the thing.

    I wrote my own content curation system years ago, that I still maintain today that has keyword based search.

    So I downloads, like 1500 blogs, on a weekly basis, it scans those blogs for keywords, tallies them up, and then presents me with a list of here’s the number of blog posts from that week, scored by these various topics, pick the ones you want to share, right? That’s a very straightforward way of approaching these things.

    And again, there’s so many tools, a lot of SEO tools have this capability built in, all you need to do is come up with what it is you want them to extract.

    But a second approach that relies upon you doing your browsing in a in a browser like Google Chrome, is something a tool, a plugin called Chrome history.

    And what this does is it exports your browsing history for the last week, or month or however long you want.

    And what you get is a CSV file of all the places you’ve been.

    And then it’s up to you to sift through that and you know, trying to remember those things that were noteworthy.

    There are also manual assistance tools, there are tools like pocket and insta paper and so many others where you can bookmark pieces of content that you want to come back to later.

    And then from there, you can, you can curate that.

    The challenge with content curation isn’t the tools it is really comes down to the purpose why you’re doing it.

    If you think about the Trust Insights 5p framework, purpose people process platform performance, people is you process is manual or automated.

    The platform is the technologies you choose to use, but it really comes down to perform to purpose and performance.

    What do you want your content curation to do? Do you want to share stuff to create visibility for publications that you like? Do you want to boost your own credibility by sharing stuff from industry leaders? If so, you might need a different system that can identify the authors of content you’re sharing so that you can tag them on services like LinkedIn.

    Do you want to share stuff that you find funny? Do you want to share stuff that you find interesting or educational? Coming up with that purpose is really the most important part of content curation.

    Once you’ve got that down, the rest of the stuff is pretty block and tackle.

    There’s tools that do it.

    There’s processes you can build.

    And having that purpose also dictates the performance of what it is that you want to measure if you are building.

    If you want to do content curation for the purposes of building your reputation, you better have a way to measure that.

    Is that the number of impressions that your posts get on LinkedIn is the number of engagements? Is it traffic to your blog or subscribers to your YouTube channel? What constitutes success? If you define that as part of the purpose and the performance, then your content curation efforts will be much more effective.

    The biggest problem I’ve seen with other content curation programs is that people are not clear about their preferred purpose or their performance.

    So they just kind of did it.

    And then we’re like, I don’t know what value I’m getting out of this.

    Well, you didn’t specify a value to begin with.

    So of course, you don’t know what you’re gonna get out of it, because it’s, it’s, it’s unclear.

    Once you say I want this for building credibility, among a select set of experts, then everything else falls into place.

    Right? So that’s, that’s where I would start with content curation is defining your purpose, defining your performance.

    And then you can figure out the people, the process, the platform, that part, pretty straightforward.

    It’s a good question.

    I hope the answer is helpful to you, and gives you a starting point for what you want to do.

    And by the way, if you do this exercise, the five P’s with your content curation, it also makes vendor selection much easier.

    If you’re going to do the automated approach with some kind of software, if you’re very clear about the requirements, but what you need the software to do, then when it comes time to start selecting vendors, fast and easy, fast and easy, because you’ve already done the hard work.

    Thanks for asking.

    Talk to you soon.

    Talk to you next time.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Retrieval Augmented Generation vs Fine-Tuning?

    You Ask, I Answer: Retrieval Augmented Generation vs Fine-Tuning?

    In today’s episode, Jay seeks clarity on the differences between retrieval-augmented generation and fine-tuning in language models. You’ll learn how these techniques compare and contrast, each playing a unique role in enhancing AI’s capabilities. Discover the metaphor of ‘recipes versus ingredients’ to understand how fine-tuning and retrieval-augmented generation can improve your AI’s performance. Tune in for this technical yet accessible breakdown to elevate your understanding of AI model optimization.

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    In today’s episode, Jay asks, I’m a little bit confused.

    You’ve mentioned different ways of manipulating language models to work better, like retrieval, augmented generation and fine tuning.

    What is the difference? Okay, this is a really good question because you’ll hear these terms a lot in language models, but it’s not clear to the end user what they actually do.

    So let’s start with language models in general.

    A language model comes in three flavors.

    There’s sort of a foundation model, a supervised fine tuned model or called an instruct model, and then a reinforcement learning with human feedback model called a chat model, typically.

    So you will see if you go on to hugging face, for example, foundation model, instruct model, chat model as sort of the variants of different language models.

    Each model gets progressively more complex and sophisticated.

    So a foundation model really is not all that useful.

    It has a lot of the data in it, but it’s not ready for use.

    It’s not ready to to be able to answer questions.

    All it does is.

    Predictions and not necessarily very well, an instruct model that can take a direction, take an instruction and execute on it is where most of us are would start to see some value.

    And the way you make an instruct model is you give a model a gazillion instructions and appropriate responses.

    And you have the model learn from that library of, hey, if this, then that, if you if someone asks you this, do this.

    If someone asks, this is the correct answer.

    Who is president of the United States in 1776? George Washington, et cetera.

    The supervised, fine tuned instruct models are the first models that are very capable of doing specific tasks.

    And then you have reinforcement learning with human feedback.

    This is where models have chats and they can have conversations.

    And that conversational data becomes part of the model and becomes more sophisticated.

    It can anticipate and have natural language conversations while still being able to carry out instructions.

    So that’s how these models work now when you’re doing fine tuning, what you are essentially doing is you are giving new instructions to the model through plenty of examples and saying you’re going to behave more like this.

    So, for example, if you have a model that maybe spits out obscenities every so often, you would give it tens of thousands of questions and answers, none of which contain obscenities.

    And what that the model will learn from that, those examples is it will deprioritize obscenities and say, Hey, that’s weird.

    I’ve been given all these new examples and none of them are swearing, so maybe I should swear less too.

    Now, it doesn’t actually say it’s not conscious, but that’s what’s going on underneath the hood.

    So fine tuning is all about giving models new instructions or changing the nature of the instructions that they can interpret and what the ideal outputs are.

    When we build models, when companies build models, they are built using enormous amounts of text corpuses like Common Crawl or Archive or Stack Exchange or Reddit.

    Or the the CC Books Archive, Project Gutenberg.

    All of these are data sources that go into the model and get turned into statistical representations of the relationships among words.

    It’s critical to say that in a foundation model or any language model, the actual works that was trained on are not in there.

    What is in there is a statistical set of relationships of what is the what are the words that are most closely related to this word? So if I say the word tuna, what are the the other words that would be associated with it? This is a technique called embeddings, and we’re not going to get into the vector space and all that stuff.

    But think of it conceptually like a word cloud, a really big word cloud.

    What are all the words that would be related to the word tuna so that when you prompt a model, it can answer? These models are trained on a lot of generic data, right? All across the Internet.

    That’s why a tool like ChatGPT can be so good at what it does, because it’s been trained on examples from virtually every domain of knowledge to some degree.

    There’s some things that are highly specialized that it doesn’t know because there’s just not enough examples, but it’s seen most things.

    Most of the big language models today, even the open weights models like the llama family, the Mistral family have still seen at least some representation of most subjects, even if it’s not a lot.

    However, if you have access to data that is not public, that was not part of the training data or data that’s new and fresh, you might want to add that context, that extra information to a model, and that’s called retrieval augmented generation.

    You provide a database of new statistical relationships of things that the model hasn’t seen before, and it knows to go to that database first, check what’s in there, and then if it doesn’t, it can fall back on its additional knowledge.

    The difference between fine tuning and retrieval augmented generation is the difference between recipes and ingredients.

    When you fine tune a model, you are saying, hey, the recipes you have are not great, they’re not focused enough.

    Let’s let’s rip out the section of the cookbook and put a new section in.

    Let’s add more recipes for how to cook Vietnamese cuisine.

    Fine tuning a model doesn’t add new data to it.

    It doesn’t add new information.

    What it does is it helps the model answer certain types of questions better by giving it many more examples of those questions and changing the internal weights of the model.

    The internal probability that it will respond in a certain way.

    So it’s like giving a model better recipes.

    Let’s give the more clear directions.

    Let’s give more recipes of a certain type.

    You’re not changing the ingredients that a model has access to.

    You’re just giving it better recipes.

    Retrieval augmented generation is when you’re saying, hey, model, you’re very capable of a lot of things, but there’s some stuff you just don’t have.

    So let me give you that stuff.

    It’s like giving a kitchen and a chef a bigger pantry with more and different ingredients like, hey, here’s some new ingredients for you to work with.

    The chef doesn’t necessarily change how they cook, but they do have access to more ingredients or better ingredients, better quality ingredients than what they’ve got.

    And so you’ll see these two techniques mentioned a lot in language models.

    However, they are they are they serve different purposes.

    If you’ve got a language model is not cooperating, it’s not doing what’s told.

    It needs more fine tuning.

    It needs better recipes.

    If you’ve got a language model that follows directions well, but it just doesn’t know some things, you need retrieval, augmented generation, you need better ingredients or more ingredients so that it can carry out the tasks that you’ve asked it to do.

    Sometimes models need both.

    Sometimes models need to be told what to do better and to get a new access store of data.

    Or if you’re trying to make a model perform a new set of specific tasks, you might have to, like you would in the kitchen, give a new recipe and new ingredients at the same time for it to succeed, even though the chef may be very capable in other areas.

    So that’s the difference between these two techniques.

    And it’s important to know this difference so that if you’re faced with a situation where you’re not sure why this model is not behaving or this the software is not doing what it’s told, you know what to ask for.

    You need you know, you can say, I need better recipes.

    This model is not following directions or we need new ingredients.

    This model just doesn’t have enough to work with to answer the questions with the level of specificity that we want.

    So really good question.

    It’s kind of a technical answer, but conceptually it should make sense.

    Recipes versus ingredients, fine tuning versus retrieval, augmented generation.

    Thanks for tuning in.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Should Generative AI Be In Your Product?

    You Ask, I Answer: Should Generative AI Be In Your Product?

    In today’s episode, Chris inquires about integrating generative AI into complex software products. You’ll learn how to assess whether your product can benefit from AI, especially language models, and understand the importance of internal scripting languages and APIs in this integration. Discover how generative AI can enhance user experience in various applications, from gaming to office tools. Tune in for insightful strategies on implementing AI in your software, ensuring a more engaging and efficient user interaction.

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    Christopher Penn: In today’s episode, Chris asks, we have a complicated software product.

    And I’m wondering if generative AI should be in our product.

    How do you know when you should or should not put in generative AI, particularly language models? Okay, so I assume we’re talking about something like Microsoft Bing, where there’s now a chat box, or Microsoft Copilot, or Google Bard or Google Duet.

    There’s a chat box that appears now in your application.

    And you can type a prompt into that and have the application do something.

    When should you use this? When should you not use this? There’s no hard and fast rule about whether it’s a good use case or not a lot of it will come down to requirements gathering, is that something that would benefit your users? And that comes from gathering that information from serving users and saying, what are the pain points that you currently have using our software, if our software is difficult to use? What a natural language interface make it easier to use? One of the ways you can you can sort of tell if it would be a good idea or not, is if your software has an internal programming language and an internal API, something that allows other parts of the software to communicate with itself.

    There’s a scripting language built in, because it’s such a complex piece of software that it needs that.

    If your software already has a scripting language or an internal API, then yeah, it makes a lot of sense.

    Because most of the work is done.

    At that point, you just have to take a language.

    model, train on your company’s internal scripting language, whatever you chose.

    And then when the language models interacting with the user, what’s really doing behind the scenes is writing code in your software scripting language to tell it to do things.

    This is how you see these, you know, these these generative prompts appear in things like for example, Microsoft Office, Microsoft Office has had a robust programming language for decades now called Visual Basic.

    And there are so much has been trained in lab in language models on how to write Visual Basic that when you tell it to do something like turn this document into a PowerPoint presentation, what it’s doing is it’s translating your words into code, because it’s a language model and code is a language, and then executing that code.

    That’s pretty straightforward as to how these things work.

    Now, if your software product does not have a, a an API and internal scripting language, the next question you have to ask is, do we have a problem in our interface that natural language will solve? So for example, we have all these smart assistants that are in retrospect, not all that smart, because they have very, very limited vocabularies.

    Compare that to a tool like chat GPT, where you can have a free form conversation about just about anything.

    Would a language model in this device be a good application? Yeah, that’s a very strong candidate, because you’re already using language just in a very limited way.

    And it would definitely benefit from having additional language.

    If you make a video game, a game like World of Warcraft, you have NPCs in the game, non playing characters that, you know, have canned dialogue.

    If you go to that in in Goldshire tomorrow, and the week after and the week after you talk to the innkeeper, you talk to the bartender, you will have the same canned dialogue over and over and over again, and will never change.

    If you had a language model there that was had strong boundaries, but was otherwise able to chat, you could roll up to that in in Goldshire, have a conversation with the innkeeper, and have it be different every time.

    And let’s say, Oh, yeah, King Anduin’s procession came through yesterday left a huge mess in the town.

    Or no, I saw some folks come in some elves come in from the ruins of Darnassus the other day, and they drank all the wine, etc.

    You would have these natural language interactions that makes so much sense to create that sense of immersion and that and that, extend that sense of immersion.

    sense of fantasy that you’re in this virtual space.

    So there’s a very strong application there.

    In that kind of a software product.

    In a product like CAD software or photo editing software.

    Yeah, there are some things that are, you’re better off just writing out what you want.

    And if the software is well trained that the model is good.

    It’s, it’s much easier to have the software just translate your user intent.

    Companies like Adobe are working on this, there’s generative prompts in Photoshop and in Illustrator, and it’s coming soon to Premiere.

    So there’s a lot of applications there.

    Remember that language models are good at language, and they’re not good at things that are not language.

    So if the problem you’re dealing with in your product is a language problem, a language model would be a great choice.

    If you’re if you’re doing image generation, diffusers, and diffuser technology or image generators, if you’ve got an image generation task, then an image generation model makes a great deal of sense.

    If you have a task that is not image generation, maybe not.

    Now, there are some caveats and some some loopholes here.

    One of which is sometimes data can be turned into other formats.

    For example, when you’re recording sound, as I’m talking right now, sound comes in a variety of data formats.

    But one of the things that can come in as as what’s called a spectrogram, it’s a visual representation.

    Of all the different frequencies that are present in a recording, you can take an image model, learn what a sound is based on the spectrogram, and then have a diffuser model predict essentially what the spectrogram should look like, given any prompt.

    There’s a lot of research being done in this field right now to replicate the spectrogram of common sounds.

    So you’re not using sound to predict sound, because that’s actually surprisingly difficult to do.

    You’re using images to replicate sound.

    As I mentioned earlier, language models are really bad at things that are not like language, like math, but they’re really good at things like coding, because coding is a language.

    So what you’ll see a lot, you see this most in chat GPT, when you ask a math problem, it will actually write code to solve the math problem, because the code can execute the math problem and the language model doesn’t have to.

    So those are the short answers.

    If you’ve got a language problem, a language model will be a good choice.

    If you’ve got an image problem, an image model be a good choice.

    If you have an internal scripting language already, then you should absolutely be connecting a language model to that and having it write code that will make your users lives easier.

    The final thing to keep in mind is what your tolerance and appetite is for risk.

    Language models can hallucinate, they can say things even with strong guardrails, they can say things that are unpredictable, because by nature, they are hallucinatory by nature, they’re making things up.

    And so they, your question you have to ask is how much of an appetite for risk do you have if the model does go off the rails in some way that is moderately predictable? Go back to the video game example, the video game example, the language model, the model might say something offensive, is that a level of risk that you’re willing to tolerate? And what level of risk are you willing to tolerate? These are considerations that all have to be done in requirements gathering before you start implementing generative AI in your products.

    But it’s a really good question.

    And I think it’s one that everyone who has ownership of a software product needs to have this discussion with their teams to decide how if at all AI should be in your products.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Legality of Works in Custom GPTs?

    You Ask, I Answer: Legality of Works in Custom GPTs?

    In today’s episode, we tackle a complex and critical topic: the legality of using custom GPT models with copyrighted content. You’ll learn about the potential legal implications and risks of incorporating copyrighted works into your AI models, especially for commercial purposes. Discover expert legal insights on how to navigate this challenging landscape, and understand the importance of obtaining proper licenses and permissions. Tune in to stay informed and protect yourself from legal pitfalls in the rapidly evolving field of AI and copyright law.

    DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer. I cannot give legal advice. In this video, I cite actual attorneys, but their feedback is also not legal advice. Legal advice comes from an attorney you hire to address your specific situation.

    Sharon Toerek of Toerek Law:

    this is not a strategy I would endorse for our clients. It’s a derivative use of copyrighted work at potential scale, for a commercial purpose.

    I think the New York Times’ case against OpenAI, however, is the potential domino that will tip this question either toward a practical industry solution (a paid license model for copyright owners) or a definitive legal standard regarding the input of copyrighted works into AI platforms for training purposes vs. the right to use any output from AI commercially.

    Ruth Carter of Geek Law Firm:

    My response is a hard and fast “fck no.” There are lawsuits (plural) being fought right now, brought by book authors who assert that AI is using their books without a license.

    When you own a copyright, you have the exclusive right to control the circumstances under which your work can be copied. If you copy a book into your GPT and then use that GPT to create a work based on the book, don’t be surprised if you get a cease and desist letter or a lawsuit from the copyright owner. It’s just asking for trouble.

    Kerry Gorgone:

    Nope. You’re making a copy of the work in ChatGPT so you can make derivative works. The right to make copies and create derivative works belongs to the copyright holder.

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    In today’s episode, I got a comment on one of my YouTube videos about custom GPTs.

    The comment was, I can read a book and share the info with others.

    Why couldn’t a GPT do the same? You can give the custom instructions to not allow more than a paragraph to be quoted at a time or something similar, maybe.

    But having the book and customs GPT’s knowledge base doesn’t seem to be unethical or illegal.

    You’re not sharing the actual book, so I see nothing wrong.

    I can read books and compile info to sell my knowledge as a consulting agent.

    So what’s the difference between that and an autonomous agent? This is a question about, I was saying as a best practice, don’t put other people’s copyrighted works in your custom GPT.

    And this was a comment and a question asking, well, why not? So let’s start with a couple of pieces of foundation work.

    I am not a lawyer.

    I am not an attorney.

    I cannot give legal advice.

    To be perfectly clear, I asked some attorneys for their opinions on the topic and to clarify on their behalf.

    Yes, they are attorneys.

    They are not your attorney, and therefore they have given some feedback, but it also is not legal advice.

    If you need legal advice, you have to hire the attorney yourself, pay them money, and they can then give you legal advice that is specific to your situation.

    So even though I’m naming some names here, because it was on a public LinkedIn post, this is not legal counsel from these people.

    You have to hire them for it to be legal counsel for you.

    So now that we’ve got those disclaimers out of the way, I asked my lawyer friends, well, what do you say about putting someone else’s book in a custom GPT, particularly one that you were selling? So Sharon Torek of Torek Law, who is also, full disclosure, the lawyer for my company, Trust Insights, the law firm that represents us, she said, this is not a strategy I would endorse for our clients.

    It’s a derivative use of copyrighted work at potential scale for commercial purpose.

    I think the New York Times case against OpenAI, however, is the potential domino that will tip this question either toward a practical industry solution like a paid license or a licensing model for copyright owners or a definitive legal standing regarding the input of copyrighted works into AI platforms for training purposes versus the right to use any output from AI commercially.

    So one lawyer saying, don’t do it.

    It’s a derivative work.

    Ruth Carter of GeekLawFirm.com also said, my response is a hard and fast fuck no.

    There are lawsuits, plural, being fought right now brought by book authors who assert that AI is using their books without a license.

    Own a copyright, you have the exclusive right to control the circumstances under which your work can be copied.

    If you copy a book into your GPT and then use that GPT to create a work based on the book, don’t be surprised if you get a cease and desist letter or a lawsuit from the copyright owner.

    It’s just asking for trouble.

    I would add that no matter what you give for custom instructions, clever and enterprising people can jailbreak chat GPT and find out if you are leveraging copyrighted works without permission.

    Because you put it in the custom GPT does not mean that it is safe to use or that you won’t be found out.

    And finally, Kerry Gorgone, who is also a JD, says, nope, you’re making a copy of the work in chat GPT so you can make derivative works.

    The right to make copies and create derivative works belongs to the copyright holder.

    So three out of three lawyers who are actual practicing lawyers who have gone through law school, have their degrees, have their certifications, have practices or had practices, all say no.

    Don’t do this.

    It’s a bad idea.

    You’re going to get in trouble.

    You are potentially opening yourself up for a lawsuit.

    So when it comes to using custom GPT and the works that you put in them, you can put in anything you have a license to use.

    So all of your own work, anything that is public domain or there’s license for commercial use.

    One of the things to look for, there’s a license system called Creative Commons.

    Creative Commons has a bunch of different licenses, but there’s a Creative Commons license.

    That permits you to use a work commercially.

    You have to look for it.

    And if you’re working with a, a, someone else’s copyrighted work, if it has a Creative Commons license that allows for commercial use, then you can use that.

    But just because it’s on the internet doesn’t mean you have permission to use it.

    Just because you happen to have a copy of it does not mean you have permission to use it.

    That’s that has been the case in terms of law for quite some time.

    That will probably continue to be the case in law for quite some time, because that’s just the way it is.

    If you need data of some kind that you do not currently have a license to, the safest and easiest strategy is to approach the license holder, the copyright holder, and say, can I license this work for use? If I wanted to make a GPT that was a stellar business writer, and I had a copy of Anne Handley’s Everybody Writes, I could approach Anne and say, hey, may I license the use of your work in my custom GPT? And if Anne says yes, and here are the commercials.

    You pay me X percentage of revenue or whatever, you sign an agreement, now you’re good to go, right? Just because something is copyrighted doesn’t mean you can’t use it.

    You just can’t use it without permission.

    You cannot use it without permission.

    If you get permission and you get licensing squared away, you can then use it.

    The same is true for anyone who’s ever done any work with audio or video, particularly audio.

    If you use a song that you don’t have a license to, you can get a takedown notice or get sued.

    If you have licensing from agencies like ASCAP and BMI and Harry Fox Agency, and you’ve done all the payments for that stuff, then you can use any song in their catalogs.

    For example, with podcasters, if you wanted to use licensed songs, if you wanted to use Start Me Up, the Rolling Stones song, as long as you had paid off the licenses to the recording agencies and the performing rights organizations, you can then use it.

    It’s totally okay because you’ve paid the licensing.

    Get your licensing in order if you want to use other people’s copyrighted works.

    And if you don’t want to pay that money, don’t use their works.

    It’s as simple as that.

    That’s today’s show.

    Thanks for tuning in.

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