Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • You Ask, I Answer: How Not To Use Generative AI In Healthcare?

    You Ask, I Answer: How Not To Use Generative AI In Healthcare?

    In today’s episode, I share critical dos and don’ts for using AI in healthcare. You’ll learn why models shouldn’t operate unsupervised, and how to maintain data privacy. I’ll explain the risks of third-party systems, and why local models may be best. You’ll benefit from understanding disclosure needs, and the “money or your life” concept from Google. Join me for an in-depth look at responsible AI use cases in sensitive domains.

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    In today’s episode, Amy asks, what advice do you have about how not to use generative AI, particularly for concerns of privacy and authenticity? There’s so many ways to answer this question.

    Okay, first, don’t use language models for tasks that are not language.

    That one, you would think it’d be obvious, but it isn’t because people, the general public does not understand that.

    Language models are good at language, but they’re not good at not language.

    People have a tendency to think of AI as this all-knowing, all-seeing oracle, and a lot of that can be blamed on pop culture.

    A lot of that can be blamed on Hollywood, on Terminators and WALL-E and Short Circuit and all those films and TV shows that we grew up with where machines had these magical capabilities, Commander Data from Star Trek.

    There is no way that that system that we watched growing up.

    Would actually exist in that form with how today’s AI works.

    There’s a whole other tangent to go on, by the way, but we’re going to give that a miss.

    So use generative AI for what it’s good at.

    So, for example, these tools are not great at generation, believe it or not.

    They need detailed prompts, lots of examples to do a really good job.

    So you definitely want to not use them to just crank out generic content.

    And that’s that’s pretty easy.

    You don’t want to use them to try new math.

    They’re bad at math.

    They can’t count a language model under the hood is a word prediction machine.

    That’s what it does.

    It predicts words.

    And so if if you’re trying to get to to predict things that are not words, it’s not going to do a very good job.

    So the workaround for that is you have the tools, right? Code, right? Because writing code, code is language and then the code can do math.

    So that would be another thing.

    Don’t use tools.

    Don’t it’s not that you shouldn’t use AI for this.

    You should not use AI in an unsupervised manner for anything high risk.

    Right.

    So what do I mean by that? These tools are very good at things like image analysis.

    They could take an image, an X-ray or a CT scan and provide an analysis of it.

    You would not under any sane circumstances just hand that to a patient.

    Say, Hey, here’s the spit out.

    You’ve got this.

    It might be right.

    It might not be right.

    But that is a very high risk situation where you want human review.

    And this is a part of generative AI that I don’t think people give enough thought to.

    Yes, it is capable of doing a lot of tasks very quickly and at a very high quality.

    But for tasks where you need to, we have a level of risk.

    You need human review.

    So there may be fewer writers writing, but you may have more reviewers reviewing.

    Those writers may become reviewers.

    They may be doing QA on what the models put out because they can hallucinate, they can make things up, they can just go off the rails and you absolutely positively need to have human beings fact checking anything as high value.

    Things that are not as risky will be things like summarization.

    And even there they can screw up, but they screw up less.

    Things like drafting commodity emails like, hey, rescheduling this meeting for next week, is this OK? Right.

    That’s that’s a lower risk transaction.

    Then here’s your medical diagnosis in SEO.

    There’s this term that Google uses called your money or your life.

    And essentially Google treats in SEO, Google treats any page content that is around finance and health with added scrutiny.

    That is a really good rule of thumb.

    That’s a really good benchmark for AI, your money or your life.

    Are you telling people things as a model, telling people things that could have financial or or health care impacts, not that you shouldn’t use AI, but you should never let it be unsupervised.

    You or another human being who has subject matter expertise should be supervising what that model does at all times.

    And it should never be able to go directly to the public.

    Other ways to not use AI.

    A big one is data privacy.

    Here’s the golden rule.

    And this is something I say in our generative AI for marketers course, which you can get a trust inside AI slash AI courses.

    If you are not paying, you are giving.

    Giving away your data, right? If you’re not paying with money, you’re paying with data.

    So.

    If you’re using any of these free tools, you’re paying with your data and in health care in particular, that’s bad, because if you’re putting protected health care information that is other people’s health information into a third party, you are violating so many laws.

    That’s not even funny.

    So that would be an example of how not to use A.I..

    You would want to use a system where that was governed by your overall health care information technology policies.

    You would want to use systems maybe that maybe there’s some some data you don’t even want in the hands of third party contract or no contract, right? Because there’s always the probability that you work with a third party and that third party gets compromised somehow.

    And then you got to send out that whole paper mail saying, oh, hey, by the way, if your information was leaked or hacked or whatever, you may in those situations want to run A.I.

    locally on servers under your control, behind your firewalls, supervised by your I.T.

    team to protect that information.

    And that would then be as as secure as the rest of your I.T.

    infrastructure.

    But that’s another area that, again, people don’t think of.

    If you’re not paying money, you’re paying with data and.

    In health care, that’s not allowed in pretty much every place on the planet.

    Even in the U.S.

    where business regulations are notoriously lax for everything else.

    So those are the the how not to use A.I.

    things in health care in particular.

    The other thing I would say, it’s not that you again, you don’t want to not use A.I.

    You want to disclose you want to disclose the use of A.I.

    everywhere, everywhere that you use A.I.

    Disclose that, hey, we used A.I.

    for this the terminology Microsoft did this at their Microsoft Ignite.

    And I really like this language for content they made with A.I.

    and then, you know, a human being supervised and edited.

    It always said this content made in partnership with A.I.

    using the whatever model.

    I really like that language because it is a partnership in many ways.

    And it’s not that you’re just letting the machines do things and, you know, you’re you’re like Homer Simpson, just asleep at the wheel.

    No, you are an active partner, too.

    So machines are doing stuff, you’re doing stuff.

    And the final product should be the best of both worlds.

    It should be the speed of A.I.

    with the quality that the quality of human review.

    That’s a good way to approach A.I.

    and a good way to approach disclosure, the transparency and say this is this is made in partnership with A.I..

    So hopefully that helps.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Experimenting with Generative AI?

    You Ask, I Answer: Experimenting with Generative AI?

    In today’s episode, you’ll learn why I think experimenting with local AI models can benefit you. I’ll explain how using open weights models locally allows you to maintain data privacy and save on costs. You’ll discover why censorship in foundation models damages performance, and how an adversarial model approach lets you constrain outputs while preserving capabilities. Join me for an in-depth look at tips and best practices for responsible and effective AI model experimentation that you can apply.

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    In today’s episode, Amy asks, What experiments are you running with AI and how would you like to see it used? That’s a really good, very interesting question.

    I’m experimenting with pretty much everything in AI all the time.

    That’s just what I do.

    So it’s really hard to narrow that down as to one thing.

    But one thing I think is worth suggesting, and this is discussed in our new AI course, Generative AI for Marketers, which can go and get a trust insights.

    AI AI courses is using local models.

    People call them open source models.

    They’re not open source because a model’s training data would have to be given away for it to be truly open source because source code from what you make software would in an open source model would be the training data.

    What these models are and examples are the Mistral model from Mistral, the Lama model from Meta.

    And then it’s whole family.

    They’re open weights models where you’re given the models weights, essentially the raw model itself, and then people can retrain it, tune it, make it do other things.

    But the the model itself is pre baked.

    I would like to see more people experimenting with those tools, with those kinds of models, open weights models, because, well, there’s a variety of reasons.

    One, open weights models like the ones you can run in a system like LM Studio run locally.

    They run on your laptop, which means that if you are working with sensitive data, you’re working with protected information, health care information, financial information, stuff that you really, really don’t want to hand to another third party.

    When you’re using an open weights model locally on your computer, that data never leaves, never even goes off your computer.

    You can do stuff with it and no one ever sees that data, not the model, maker, not the software maker.

    You just you can unplug your cables, turn off your Wi-Fi and it all runs because it all runs locally.

    So that’s really important.

    It’s something people should be experimenting with.

    Second reason for using local models and open weights models is cost.

    Even the cheapest APIs still you can run up a decent bill, especially if you’re doing stuff like software development.

    One thing that I do a lot of is I write software around language models and I am not a particularly good software developer.

    Right.

    And so I make a lot of mistakes.

    I will send data to a to an API and I will screw up.

    And if that API is charging me per use and I’m screwing up a lot, I rack up a pretty hefty bill.

    If I run a model locally on my laptop, it costs electricity and it costs electricity to run that.

    But that’s about it.

    And I’m running on a MacBook, so even the cost of electricity isn’t very much.

    And so it gives me the freedom to experiment more, to be willing to take more risks, to test and QA sooner without having to worry about the impact on my company’s wallet because it’s all running locally.

    And then once I’m satisfied that the rest of my code works as intended, I can then go and say, OK, now I’m going to repoint my code from the development model, which may be, you know, a llama 13 billion parameter model to open AI or whoever Claude or somebody commercially.

    And I don’t have to debug on my dime because I’ve already done that with the open model.

    That’s a second consideration.

    Third reason to be looking at these models and this one is is kind of interesting, is censorship.

    Censorship of models, public ones is getting heavier and heavier in terms of what the model is and is not allowed to say.

    And I’ve noticed anecdotally and anecdotes are not data, but I’ve noticed that queries I could ask three months ago.

    I now get I’m sorry, I can’t help you with that.

    And that’s not very helpful.

    I’m not asking like crazy stuff I’m asking, but I am asking either very technical things or working with certain types of data that models now seem to protect against particular things using copyrighted terms.

    Anything from Disney, for example, a lot of models will spit up on now.

    And so having local models that have no censorship, they are aligned to do what they’re told with no morals or ethics or rules is super helpful.

    Here’s why censorship is a bad thing in language models themselves.

    Now, it’s not to say the censorship itself is bad, but censorship of models is bad because think of a model like a cookbook, right? In your cookbook is a whole bunch of recipes.

    Now, let’s say there’s an ingredient you don’t want.

    Like your gluten intolerance, say, OK, anything with wheat, it’s got to come out.

    And you start ripping out pages of your cookbook.

    Yeah, you’re going to rip out the pasta page, right? That’s pretty obvious.

    You’re going to rip out the bread page.

    That’s pretty obvious.

    But you rip out beef Wellington, right? Even though the majority of that dish is not the pastry, it’s the big chunk of beef in the middle.

    You rip out some some dumplings.

    You rip out a full English breakfast.

    Pretty soon you’re ripping out a lot of things from this cookbook that contain wheat.

    And what you’re left with, you’re like, OK, I got a fruit salad, right? And I’ve got bananas foster and maybe not even that.

    Any kind of sauce where you’re using flour as a thickener.

    That recipe’s got to come out, too.

    That’s what censorship does to models is not you’re not going in and coloring in little words throughout the cookbook.

    You’re ripping out pages based on that concept.

    And you don’t want that in there anymore.

    And you damage the whole cookbook, not just the thing you you’re trying to block foundation models, meaning models before they’ve been trained or tuned or anything are uncensored by nature.

    And then what happens over time is model makers like OpenAI or Google or Meta try to align and tune these models to make them do what they’re told within a certain set of rules with an uncensored model.

    That means that it doesn’t have any natural bias in one direction or another.

    And then it’s up to you, the operator of the model, to use it responsibly and to set the rules around it.

    So that’s a third thing I think is a good third good reason to experiment with these open weights models, because what’s happening in the space now and the way it’s likely to go.

    And I talked about this in a recent episode of the newsletter is that we’re going to have adversarial models.

    You’ll see you’ll have one model doing the thing and another model critiquing it, saying that was racist.

    Nope.

    Try again.

    That was insensitive.

    Nope.

    Try again.

    That was based on wrong information.

    Try again.

    And so there’s kind of a QA person.

    Imagine if models were people, they’d be the person doing something in a person just critiquing constantly.

    Saying, Nope, try again until it got it right.

    Censorship is totally fine for the outcome, right? Your business does not want to have a model spouting off racist language, right? That’s totally inappropriate.

    So you absolutely want to censor the final outputs.

    But the core model itself, if it’s censored, it’s damaged.

    It’s intentionally damaged and it will not perform as well.

    And so I think that’s something people should be experimenting with as well.

    And do not, do not allow a uncensored model to interact with the general public or the customer or anybody other than your R&D team because the results will be not good.

    But you should absolutely be using uncensored models at the core of your systems because they will deliver the best, most complete performance.

    And then you have the adversarial model that is essentially fact-checking and correcting what comes out of the base model.

    So those are three things I think that, three reasons to look at local models.

    I’m going to be doing a talk on this in 2024 on this topic because I think it’s an important topic.

    I think it’s an important one that we’re not thinking about when we think about how AI models work and trying to get them to do everything instead of doing one specific task and then having other specialized pieces of software correct that task in the same way that, you know, you don’t, you know, smelt and, you know, melt down raw ore in the same forge that you make, you know, swords with.

    There’s different processes and different tools you need to do each task well.

    And that specialization, I think, is really important when it comes to language models and generative AI in general.

    The less censorship there is of the foundation model, the better it will perform.

    And then you have adversarial models to correct, to supervise, and to align the outputs as to what you want the final output to be.

    So really good question.

    We could spend a whole lot of time on this, but it’s a really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

    We’ll talk to you soon.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Generative AI Time Savings?

    You Ask, I Answer: Generative AI Time Savings?

    In today’s episode, I reveal major time savings from AI. You’ll learn the “3x rule” for automation and how to build a task list. I explain approaches to eliminate repetitive work – from writing code to summarization. You’ll benefit from higher quality outputs while skipping manual effort. Join me for actionable tips to leverage models as virtual assistants across workflows.

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    In today’s episode, Amy asks, What time savings are you finding with generative AI? A lot.

    Here’s the rule of thumb.

    And this is a trope from programming.

    The the rule of thumb and programming is, if you do it more than three times, the machine should be doing it.

    If you do a task more than three times, the machine should be doing it.

    And prior to the advent of generative AI, that was sort of true.

    There were things that traditional programming could do, that would help automate that would help get things done.

    But it took a lot of time and very, very significant technical skill to make those pieces of software.

    So really, developers were the ones who were able to use the power of coding to automate many of those monotonous tasks.

    Today, language models can do that with either much less coding, or no code.

    at all.

    So for example, suppose you’ve got a spreadsheet.

    And at the end of the month, you need to make a presentation out of the spreadsheet and that spreadsheet is just kind of a hot mess.

    You can directly interpret that spreadsheet, say in a tool like chat GPT with the advanced data analysis module, and say, turn this ugly spreadsheet into this coherent table so that I can make a PowerPoint presentation with it.

    You can do the same thing in Microsoft Copilot, Google Duet, and so on and so forth.

    Or you could say to a tool like chat GPT, help me write some code in Python that extracts all this data, puts it into this format, and then makes PowerPoint slide and I can just open up the PPT x file that it creates.

    Either one of those approaches is a time savings over doing it manually, which approach you take is going to depend on your comfort level with the with the product.

    Right.

    So as of today, you can’t get all the way to the finished product with just a little bit of time.

    language model, because there are parts of that task that are not language, language based, right, like creating a PowerPoint slide is not a language based task.

    It’s a it’s a mechanical task.

    When it comes to writing code, language models can do that.

    And then the code can perform those mechanical tasks, the code can take a table, reformat it, use map, matplotlib, or ggplot, depending on the language you’re working in, and generate the graphic and then create a PowerPoint slide contained for the graphic.

    And spit that out and boom on your desktop, there’s your slide.

    But that’s the rule of thumb.

    Any task you do more than three times a machine should be doing it.

    So one of the first things you need to do when I talk about this a lot in the gender AI for marketers course, which you can get at Trust insights.ai slash AI course.

    One of the things I talked about a lot is building out a task list.

    What are the repetitive tasks that you do every day, every week, every month, every quarter, every year? Which of those tasks tasks are language based tasks? And could you get a machine to do them? Could you get a machine to take on that task of writing that summary email, or doing the executive summary on a set of slides? One thing that used to take me a ton of time in client reporting is I would go through a slide deck of reports.

    And I would make manual annotations, like here’s what I see on this slide, here’s what this means.

    And then in putting to the executive summary, I’d have to go through manually one slide by slide, try and remember or copy paste all the things I wrote throughout the slide deck and what a waste of time.

    So I asked chat GPT one day, help me write a script that will export all the text within this, this PowerPoint.

    And it took a couple iterations, but I got a Python script that does just that is dumps all the text, single text file.

    And then I take that, put it into chat GPT and say out of all these notes that I made throughout this 70 slide deck, write an executive summary of 10 bullet points.

    Christopher Penn: And it would go through and distill that down.

    And now, instead of spending a couple hours with that very monotonous task, and I’m not really building any new information, right? I’m taking this, the notes that I already made.

    It just gathers all that up summarizes it for me.

    And boom, there’s my executive summary.

    And the executive summary is better than I would have done.

    It’s better than I would have done.

    Because very often with that task, I would forget things or like, is that really important? Maybe, maybe not.

    Christopher Penn: I would exercise flawed human judgment rather than taking all the text and trying to statistically summarize it down and just into a coherent cogent package.

    The language models are better at that than I am.

    And so not only am I using language models for a monotonous task, but the quality of my output has gone up because it’s sidestepping and circumventing my own human foibles my own flaws as a as a person as an analyst.

    It takes all the information that I that I generated.

    So it’s not like I’m having to do my work for me, I generated all the notes in the presentation already.

    But now it’s distilling that down for me in a way that’s better than I would have done on my own.

    So that’s how I would think about time savings with language models, find out all the different things that you do all the tasks that you do that are monotonous, that you do more than three times and say, Can I get a language model either to do this task for me, or help me build the tools I need to do this task? So really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

    We’ll talk to you soon.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Favorite Uses of Generative AI Workflow?

    You Ask, I Answer: Favorite Uses of Generative AI Workflow?

    In today’s episode, I reveal my favorite AI use case: coding. You’ll learn how models struggle to create but excel at interpreting. By treating them as smart interns and having them build custom tools, you’ll boost productivity exponentially. I explain why their statistical reasoning causes mistakes, and how supervision helps. Join me for actionable tips on incorporating AI as a virtual developer.

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    In today’s episode, Amy asks, What are your favorite use cases for AI in your workflow right now? That’s a really tough question to answer.

    Because one of the things I try to do with artificial intelligence, particularly generative AI, is use it for everything, use it for as much as I can so that I can figure out what it’s not good at.

    This is something that Professor Ethan Mollick of Wharton Business School talks about frequently use AI for every task that is a good fit for it.

    So generative AI typically is in one of two formats, you’re either generating text, or you’re generating images.

    So with text, it’s language, any kind of language based tasks, so writing a comparison, editing, coding, you name it, if it’s uses language, it’s a candidate for testing to see if artificial intelligence is a good fit to help out with that job.

    And so there’s literally no task in in language, Christopher Penn: that I’m not trying to use AI for, in some capacity.

    One of the things I typically don’t use it for is, believe it or not content creation, like writing new content.

    And the reason for that is the the language models themselves.

    Their ability to generate content is actually, believe it or not, one of the things they’re worst at they are like most, most data based pieces of software, they’re better at taking existing Christopher Penn: data and interpreting it than they are in making net new data.

    That’s why you can hand a huge PDF off to a language model like the ones that power chat GPT and say, Hey, answer me these questions about this data within this PDF, and it will do a really good job really good job with that.

    On the other hand, if you say make me a new research paper on this thing, it’s going to struggle, right? It’s gonna, it’s gonna require much, much more detailed prompting, much more skill and finesse.

    When you look at the six major categories of use cases for generative AI, question answering, without providing the data and generation are the two things where it almost every model doesn’t do a good job with that.

    And when you look at, at how these models are constructed, when you open it up and look under the hood, it makes total sense.

    There’s a great talk by Andre Karpathy not too long ago saying that the foundation model, before any tuning is done before it’s made usable, the foundation models themselves hallucinate 100% of the time they just, they don’t generate coherent language, what they do is generate statistically relevant language.

    And then you have things like supervised fine tuning and reinforcement learning with human feedback.

    These techniques that essentially try to coerce that jumble of statistics into coherent language, meaningful language, and then to some to as good a degree as we can manage correct language.

    So for example, in the older models, like the original GPT two that open AI released, gosh, been three or four years now.

    If you were to ask GPT two, who the President of the United States was in 1492.

    Often you would get an answer like Christopher Columbus, because you would have these statistical associations, President of the United States is associated with people of importance.

    1492 is associated with Christopher Columbus, a person of importance.

    And so statistically, the answer that would make the most sense to that question would be Christopher Columbus because of those associations.

    That’s factually wrong, right? That is factually 100% wrong for a variety of reasons.

    But statistically, in the foundation model, that makes sense.

    So part of supervised fine tuning is trying to bring additional reasoning capabilities, additional senses of correctness to these language models.

    So for using AI in my workflow, I use it a ton every day for coding, writing Python and R code regularly and frequently trying to automate as many repetitive tasks as I possibly can everything from interpreting spreadsheets, to downloading data to building reports reporting, at least for the work I do in the clients that I have, as part of Trust Insights.

    Reporting is a huge chunk of what we do and the ability to do reporting, generate great results, high quality results, but do so using the capabilities of language models to make tools to make software is my top use case.

    There, there will be so much more I would not get done on a regular basis.

    If I did not have language models helping me write computer language to accomplish specific tasks.

    Last week, I’m just thinking back at the week, I probably generated seven new pieces of software, seven Python scripts to deal with very specific situations that came up in client work.

    Prior to language models, I would have had to write those by hand and I could have done it, I would have done it in R instead of Python, and it would have taken 1015 times the amount of time it took versus me.

    Giving a detailed prompt and working with the language model to build the software for me, debugging it, you know, a couple of cycles debugging, and boom, we’re done.

    So that’s my favorite use case.

    It’s going to vary your favorite use case is going to vary based on the work you do and the language based work that you do or the work that you do that code can help you improve.

    But one of the things that I see people not using it enough for is that code aspect.

    There are many things that language models can’t do.

    Well, math is one of them.

    But language models can write language, like computer programming, to do the math for them.

    So it’s a one step removed.

    But not enough people think to themselves, if the language model can’t do it, can I have it make the tools it needs to be able to accomplish those tasks? And can I run those tools on its behalf? If you start thinking of language models, not as some sort of all knowing all powerful Oracle, instead, think of them as the world’s smartest interns, you will get you’ll be much more successful because you will be able to say, Okay, well, intern, what I really want you to do is build some software that does this.

    Think of it like having a remote developer on demand, right? You work with a contractor on demand, say, I just need a piece of software to do this specific task.

    And it will generate those those tools for you.

    That’s my favorite use case category.

    And that’s the one that I wish more people would use because it would save them so much time.

    You will save time, you will save headache, and you will 2x 3x 5x 10x your productivity.

    Once you’ve got your own custom tooling built by language models to help you out with as many repetitive parts of your job as you can.

    So really good question.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Is the Generative AI Space Ripe for Consolidation?

    You Ask, I Answer: Is the Generative AI Space Ripe for Consolidation?

    In today’s episode, Justin asks if I think mergers and acquisitions are on the rise in AI. I explain why many vendors built on third-party models are vulnerable, with rapid innovation quickly making them obsolete. However, even as some consolidate, many new opportunities exist around open source models and demand for AI solutions. Tune in to hear more predictions about the fluid, fast-changing AI business landscape.

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    In today’s episode, Justin asks, Do you think the AI space is ripe for M&A mergers and acquisitions? Oh, yeah, the space is ripe for mergers and acquisitions, or just companies flat out going out of business.

    And here’s why.

    There are a lot of vendors in the AI space whose value proposition is essentially a wrapper or user interface or something on someone else’s model.

    So there’s a gazillion different little companies that all have built their company around, for example, open AI is GPT, for model, that model is very capable, it’s very powerful.

    And these and folks have built a company that puts an interface on top of it that is purpose built towards one specific set of tasks.

    And maybe there’s some additional value add like document storage.

    But fundamentally, the underlying baseline model is someone else’s model.

    And so as those models change, if the Auditory Management System changes, then the company that is built around the OpenAI space or the other companies that company has not done a good job of planning for the future, that company gets really far behind really fast.

    So maybe you buy some software, blog writing software, as really just a skin on top of GPT, four or Claude 2.1, or whoever.

    If that company did not think through, how do we how do we make our our software abstracted away from the base? Chris Bounds: model, then they have to stay locked into that base model.

    And when it becomes old, they can’t easily adapt to whatever the new thing is.

    And so they go from being best in class to being last year’s news very, very quickly.

    The AI space is doubling in terms of capacity models are doubling capacity roughly every six months, six to nine months.

    So if you were if you built this bespoke product around GPT three, for example, that was three years old, you are five or six generations behind.

    And when it comes to compute power and results delivered, that’s a big difference.

    Your company’s essentially as a non starter compared to what you can do with the foundation models themselves.

    So a lot of companies have created a lot of value, but in terms of what they can get people to pay for, but that may be very transient.

    Because every release of model these days, brings new capabilities, and makes it easier to replicate things that you might create software around.

    For example, suppose you are a company that makes blog writing software.

    And your big value proposition is is document storage that you can easily use your company’s documents within this thing.

    Well, that was fine until October, November of 2023, when when OpenAI released custom GPT is and now anyone can take the documents and stuff them in a model and have that information be available.

    And have it be useful and things like that.

    So I remember, I was watching on threads, when the Dev Day talk was going on, people commenting, wow, they are just putting companies out of business left and right with every single announcement, because every new announcement was building capabilities into the foundation models and the foundation ecosystem that other people built entire companies around.

    So what is the value proposition of that company now that the base system software? Well, the base system software is a technology that can do that itself.

    And there’s a lot more coming from the big model makers that are going to imperil a lot of these smaller businesses.

    Andre Karpathy, in his recent talk was showcasing how to use language models as kind of an operating system.

    Think about that an operating system for your computer that is based on plain language, even something like Mac OS or Microsoft Windows might be that.

    So the AI space is definitely right for mergers and acquisitions is definitely right for consolidation.

    Whether that is a company getting acquired or a company just going out of business.

    The AI space is right for innovation.

    For every company that’s going to go out of business or get devoured, you’re probably gonna see two or three new companies that are leveraging what is cutting edge right now.

    For example, there’s an open source model called lava.

    That is a combination language and vision model that is very, very good and very, very powerful and also very free.

    You could get a whole generation of people building companies around that model its capabilities and because it’s open source or open weights, you don’t need to pay anyone to use that as long as you are under you know, whatever the license terms are for like the llama two derivatives, it’s if you have 700 million or fewer monthly users, you can use the model for free.

    So there’s just as as much as there is a lot of consolidation do, there’s also a lot of opportunity in the space.

    Right now, and there’s much more demand than there is supply.

    There is demand for new solutions.

    I saw another kind of snarky post on thread someone saying why do we have AI that can paint and draw which you may or may not ask for we don’t have AI to do your taxes.

    Right? Language models pro and doing form processing.

    That’s not a terrible stretch, right? Because it’s still uses language and uses highly templated language, which should be relatively predictable.

    Now doing the math part, that’s going to require some app ecosystem around something like Lang chain or auto gen or something along those lines.

    But there’s no reason why conceptually, that can exist.

    If a task uses language.

    It is it is right for a language model to do.

    So the space is right for M&A.

    The space is right for fast transitions.

    The space is right for innovation.

    And the key message the key takeaway is you have that opportunity right now if you got an idea about ways to use generative AI.

    Yeah, probably somebody’s working on it.

    But you can be too began because the space is so dynamic and so fluid.

    You can have more than one company that does the same thing.

    And they you know, you’ll compete for market share, but the opportunities are right now.

    So get started.

    Get going.

    Anyway, really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

    We’ll talk to you soon.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Future of Retrieval Augmented Generation AI?

    You Ask, I Answer: Future of Retrieval Augmented Generation AI?

    In today’s episode, Jesper asks if news outlets blocking AI scrapers will impact retrieval augmented generation models. I explain that blocked scrapers won’t matter since public data is aggregated elsewhere, though news outlets have valid concerns about uncompensated use. I compare fine-tuning to upgrading appliances versus retrieval augmented generation to adding ingredients, noting RAG’s strength for changing context. Tune in to learn more about advancing AI techniques and how models consume restricted data.

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    In today’s episode, Jesper asks, How do you see the future for retrieval augmented generation AIs when particularly news outlets shut out AI crawlers, scrapers, etc? Okay, so AI crawlers, scraping and crawling bots typically are deployed by a company, they’ve had an identified browser agent right open AIs crawler, and you can and if you want to, you can block those specific crawlers.

    However, there’s a bunch of other ones that are pulling the exact same information.

    In fact, if you look at common crawl, go to common crawl dot work, you will see that they crawl the entire public internet.

    So even if a news outlet says you may not crawl us, you know, a open AI bot, open AI just has to go to common crawl, pull the latest vintage from there, and then use that for processing.

    So that’s kind of a fool’s errand trying to block AI system controls from consuming content, especially if you’re already giving it to search engines, right? So if you are allowing Google bot, well, sure, open AI might not then crawl your site, but Google will.

    And if Google is going to do it, then guess where that information is going to end up, it’s going to end up in one of Google’s models.

    So you really not accomplished anything to the question though, but retrievable augmented generation, how that plays a role.

    It’s important to understand the role of retrieval augmented generation.

    So let’s, let’s go back to some basics.

    When you have an AI model like GPT, for the model that powers the paid version of chat GPT.

    There’s a couple different ways to get a model to behave differently.

    One is prompting the prompts you give the instructions, the directions, the plain language coding, the more sophisticated you’re prompting, the better the results you will get, you will get out of a big general model like that.

    So that’s one area.

    It’s just being very good at prompting.

    And there’s a whole bunch of ways to do that.

    There’s some really advanced studies coming out now that are showing that good prompting can actually outperform some other methods of getting models to work in a certain way.

    Fine tuning is sort of the second way.

    And this is where you condition a model to answer specific kinds of questions better than the model was originally trained on.

    So if you fine tune a model on, say, medical questions, and you just give it a whole bunch of questions and answers, the model may not get any new information that way.

    But it’s going to get it’s going to learn how to answer those questions better than whatever medical information was put in in the original model.

    I use I like to think of this as like the way you train a dog, right? You train a dog to sniff for drugs, it’s not going to be able to sniff for explosives or earthquake survivors.

    But it’s gonna be really good at what you trained it to do.

    That’s what a fine tune is.

    Retrieval augmented generation is is a library, it’s a database, it’s an add on to a model, which gives the model more context, more more information, new information that it wasn’t trained on.

    So the model still has the same capabilities can still answer questions.

    But now it has a new place to look first, before it goes to its before it tries to go to the date it was trained on.

    And we see retrieval augmented generation popping up all over the place.

    So open AI is custom GPT is, for example, is an example of retrieval augmented generation, you give it some documents that maybe have updated information or very specific information.

    And the model knows to go to those first, before going to its general knowledge pool, and to prefer the knowledge it gains from that as well.

    So the future of retrieval augmented generation is is very strong because it allows us to change the context, the knowledge base of a model without having to rebuild the model itself.

    Right? It’s like, it’s like if you had a kitchen full of appliances, and you’re a pantry full of ingredients, retrieval augmented generation adds more ingredients to the pantry, right? Your appliances don’t change.

    But what you can cook now is greater variety, because you got some new stuff in the pantry that you maybe didn’t buy with the previous week’s groceries.

    Fine tuning upgrades the appliances, right? Maybe your your your crappy Hamilton beach blender gets replaced with a Vitamix or a blend tech right now, you’ve got a much more powerful tool.

    But your ingredients in the pantry are the same.

    It’s just it does a better job now.

    So you know, the smoothie we used to make with your Hamilton beach is not going to be as good as the smoothie you can now make with a Vitamix.

    So that’s kind of the difference between these these different ways of approaching these these techniques for improving the performance of models.

    And if news outlets are shutting out AI crawlers and scrapers, okay, again, that data is available in other places, right? You today can build your own scraper and crawler.

    I’ve built dozens of these things that are very purpose built.

    And I can take their outputs and put it into something like a custom GPT from open AI.

    And that puts that news that information I want back into the model.

    So even if the base model doesn’t have it, I can use my own software plus, you know, retrieval, augmented generation to put that knowledge back in the model.

    And make it available.

    When you get into open source, then you get some real interesting stuff open open weight models like llama two, you can tune those models and do retrieval, augmented generation and and change the alignment of the models to be like uncensored.

    So there are some topics, for example, with the big public models like the ones that power chat GPT, there’s some topics that won’t talk about, right? If you ask it to build something harmful, they’ll say Nope, can’t do that.

    You can take an open weight model.

    That hasn’t done that censorship and say, Yeah, here’s the directions for how to do that bad thing.

    So even in cases where news outlets are trying to, to quarantine their information, unless they publish it in some format that people can’t read, that information is eventually going to find its way into a model somehow.

    So I think it’s kind of a fool’s errand there.

    Now, the real concern that they have, and this is a valid concern, I’m not saying it’s not is that their, their content is being used, and they’re not being compensated for it.

    And I think that’s a valid concern.

    If you own property, content data, you have the right to say how it isn’t is not used, right? That’s implicit in property rights.

    And so if you, if you want to exert and enforce those rights, you should talk to an attorney and about what your options are, like, can I sue them for using my stuff? And you know, your attorney will advise you as to what that what that looks like.

    But retrieval, augmented generation and fine tuning are still the paths forward for making models do stuff very specifically, combined with really solid advanced prompting.

    So there are all sorts of really advanced techniques that you can use that are not.

    They’re not easy compared to, you know, just saying, Hey, write me a blog post about this.

    But they deliver best in class results.

    Maybe another time we’ll we’ll dig into what that is.

    But it’s a really good question.

    And hopefully this answered the difference between those techniques and how how they work.

    So thanks for asking.

    We’ll talk to you soon.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Answering the Same Generative AI Questions?

    You Ask, I Answer: Answering the Same Generative AI Questions?

    In today’s episode, Aurora asks if I ever get tired of answering the same AI questions over and over. I explain that it depends on the intent behind the questions – if someone genuinely wants to learn, I’m happy to discuss nuances, but if they just want to argue, it’s not productive. I unpack the concepts of system 1 and 2 thinking, how social media pushes snap judgments, and how AI could potentially help people see alternate perspectives. Tune in to hear more of my thoughts on repeating questions about AI, the empathy deficit, and nudging people towards critical thinking.

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    In today’s episode, Aurora asks, I saw yet another comment against AI.

    And I was wondering, do you ever get tired of saying the same thing to people over and over again? So here’s the thing.

    It all depends on intent, right? So the reality is AI is new to a lot of people, the concept, maybe not.

    But people have a lot of concepts that come from pop culture.

    Things like, you know, the Terminator movies, Commander Data from Star Trek, going all the way back to, you know, the 1950s, and sci fi movies back then.

    And a lot of the way that people have been taught to perceive AI is not what the technology does.

    Right? The technology is predictive in nature, it is very predictable in a lot of ways, because the architectures that make these tools work, are just prediction engines.

    When you look at how a transformer works, which is what powers tools like chat GPT, it is a prediction engine, it is trying to predict the next token in a sequence of tokens.

    And yes, with enough data, they can exhibit very interesting properties like imitating reasoning, imitating empathy, imitating and emotional awareness, emotional intelligence.

    They don’t actually have those things, but they do imitate them.

    Well, there are other ways to do it.

    And so if your beliefs about AI come from, you know, the Terminator movies, then of course, you’re going to have people saying the same thing over and over again, because that’s what pop culture has drilled into people’s heads.

    That’s our, our common reference for what we think AI can and cannot do.

    So the process of answering those questions is well understand, this is what the technology is capable of today.

    This is what it’s not capable of.

    There are some things and some topics and some questions, which, yes, they are.

    It’s not that I get tired of them.

    It’s that the intent is not good behind them.

    I have no problem answering any question where the intent is for the for the question, or they want to learn something, right? I love answering even the same question over and over again.

    Because if the person on the other end, wants to learn, great, I’m here to help people learn.

    If it’s to get into a political argument, I’m less interested in that, that question, even if the question itself is valid, if the intent is just to troll or, or be pointlessly combative, that’s not a good use of my time, right? That’s not a good use of your time.

    It’s not good use of the questioner’s time, it might make them feel better.

    But I would, I would suggest in that case, maybe they argue with the machine, the machine can argue with them all they want.

    And they get what they want, they get the emotional satisfaction of a good argument.

    But it doesn’t waste anyone’s time except theirs.

    There are always questions that can have multiple intent.

    So you can have someone asking who wants to start your argument, but they may also come from a place where they don’t understand what’s going on.

    And those are our case by case.

    Again, one of the things that humans have forgotten and particularly with the help of devices like these is empathy, we are in a a massive worldwide empathy deficit, and empathy drought, where because our brains are not well suited towards complexity and nuance, for the most part, well, let me back up.

    Daniel Kahneman is well known for describing what he calls system one and system to system one is reflexive cognition, you just do things, things are memorized, things are stored as patterns that you can react and act very quickly on system two is very high cognitive load stuff, reasoning, logic, emotional intelligence, empathy, you have to think things through, right? If I ask you what two plus two is, you know, four, right? That’s system one, very fast, very low cognitive burden.

    And it’s the system that we default to for handling most of our common tasks, anything that’s routine, right? System one is when you’re walking, you don’t have to think about placing one foot in front of the other anymore, for the most part.

    Now, obviously, there, there are people who do have to do you system to cognition to do that from disability and things like that.

    But for the most part, most people use system one for that.

    System two, which is advanced cognition requires a lot of mental resource, a lot of mental energy.

    And so when you have people who are under stress, who are under a lot of strain or are feel besieged.

    We tend to operate in system one during those times we make snap judgments, we try to classify everything very, very quickly, so that we can free up brain space to deal with things like survival, right? Can I do I make enough money this month to pay rent? Can I afford to to, you know, buy dinner tonight, those are all things that put a lot of strain on our systems.

    And as a result, we we stay in system one, system one does not do nuance, right? System one is very binary thinking, it’s either this or that you’re either conservative or liberal, you’re in favor of this or that.

    Because you want those snap judgments real fast.

    When people ask questions that are inherently sort of system one questions, it’s hard to answer those because it won’t fit into that neat little bucket of it’s this or that.

    A lot of the time when you’re dealing with very complex subjects, someone has to be in a system to mindset and they need to have the mental and emotional bandwidth to do that.

    So when we talk about things like AI, and what AI is capable of, and the harms and the help that it can generate, there’s a lot of nuance, there’s a lot of well, it can harm and it can help and how it’s used is dependent on the user.

    And if you are conditioned to a world delivered by these devices, where everything is system one, and AI is either good or bad, and there’s no middle ground.

    Yeah, those questions that people ask, it’s not that I don’t get tired of answering them.

    It’s that I know they’re not listening.

    Right? I don’t get tired of them.

    But I know they’re not listening.

    They’re not cognitively ready to handle the nuance of the answer.

    To say like, well, it’s this, and it’s that, right? Yes, AI will cost jobs, and it will create new jobs.

    It’s not either or it’s both.

    And this is something we all are dealing with.

    This is not one group of people.

    It’s not those people over there, those people there.

    It’s not the Republicans or the Democrats.

    It’s everybody who is using these things and operating in modern society, and being and direction to stay in system one.

    Right? If you believe in sort of the dystopian AI future, people who want you to stay in system one generally have an agenda.

    And the agenda is to support them unthinkingly, right reflexively, just as as fast as you answer what’s two plus two, if I say, you know, some politically motivated statement of a certain spectrum, a person who wants to manipulate you wants you in system one, they want you to go, Oh, I believe in that, or I don’t believe in that.

    AI is going to take all the jobs or no AI is going to usher in a new age of mankind or AI is going to kill us all.

    When someone’s pushing you towards system one, they have an agenda.

    They don’t want a conversation about nuance.

    They don’t want you to think.

    They don’t want you to set aside time and bandwidth up here to go.

    Wait a minute.

    That doesn’t make sense.

    Let’s think this through.

    Let’s use some logic and some critical thinking.

    This by the way, I think could be a very interesting application for the use of generative AI to help people who don’t have the bandwidth and maybe don’t have the background in the subject to do that system to thinking to say, Hey, let’s think this through.

    Give me the pros and cons of this argument.

    And if you have someone who is stuck in system one thinking, it might might be an interesting experiment to have them ask a machine to give those alternate perspectives because they know in intuitively and instinctively, that’s not another person over there, they’re not going to argue with me, I’m not gonna get into ad hominem attacks and things.

    Chat GPT or Claude or Bing or Bard, assuming they will answer the question at all.

    We’ll give a more nuanced balanced response with, in some cases, information to back it up.

    So that’s a lot to unpack about answering the same question over and over again, it comes down to intent.

    And when the intent is not in for informative and educational, even then, is it because the person has ill intent? Or is it because the person’s brain is stuck in system one thinking, by design by by the manipulation.

    Of other people, and could answering the question in a certain way or using gender AI, perhaps nudge them into system to thinking where they can kind of see as Morpheus said in the matrix, they can kind of see the world that’s been pulled over their eyes.

    Really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

    I’ll talk to you soon.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Is Art Made by AI Really Art?

    You Ask, I Answer: Is Art Made by AI Really Art?

    In today’s episode, Sira asks if art made by AI can truly be considered art. I tackle this complicated question by examining art as an expression of imagination, noting that perception of art is highly subjective. I discuss arguments around human versus machine creation, exploring the creative process behind AI art prompts. I also cover complex legal issues of copyright and training data usage that remain unsettled globally. Ultimately art is in the eye of the beholder, but there are many ethical debates around AI’s role that merit further discussion. Tune in to hear perspectives on what constitutes art, creative intent, and considerations for responsible AI development.

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    In today’s episode, hmm, Sira asks, is art made by AI really art? That is a, a very, very complicated question.

    And it depends on the context in which we are asking the question art.

    Okay, so this is my opinion.

    I cannot speak for other people.

    And the answer will become clear fairly shortly.

    Art is the expression of imagination, right? In, in some, in some way that can be communicated to other people, such as paintings, or dance, or music, or any of those things.

    And what we perceive as art really depends on the person who is perceiving it, right? So I have been to a whole bunch of museums.

    And there’s some art that I like and some art I don’t like.

    Some art, like, that’s pretty cool.

    I, you know, I look at it and go, that’s, that, that’s very imaginative, or that’s very compelling to look at.

    It evokes emotion.

    And there’s other art I look at and go, what am I even looking at? I remember I was at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City, and they had this three by three blue canvas.

    I’m like, I don’t get it.

    It’s a blue canvas.

    Like, I could do that at home.

    Why is that? It’s this art.

    And there was a, there’s a long description about the statement the artist was making.

    I’m like, but it’s still a blue canvas.

    The, the intent was lost on me as the beholder.

    The art is in the eye of the beholders is the approach I tend to think about.

    As a beholder, I’m looking at going, I don’t get it.

    And so I’m very hesitant to just sit to say anything is not art.

    I, because that’s, there may be things that to me are not art, but to other people are very meaningful and very compelling.

    It’s the same as like, is like music.

    There’s some genres of music I like and some that I don’t.

    I’m not a huge fan of country music.

    I’m not a huge fan of rap.

    Would I tell the hundreds of millions of people who love those genres that that music isn’t music? No.

    It’d be crazy to say that and probably get mugged by, you know, some, somebody who is really upset.

    There are people who don’t like Taylor Swift.

    You tell a Swifty that Taylor Swift’s music is not music, you are going to get a whoopin’.

    So what is art? Again, it’s expression of, of imagination.

    Doesn’t matter who makes the art.

    Because the argument against machines making art is that, you know, it’s not human expression.

    It’s machine made.

    Again, this is really tricky, because if I have an idea for a painting, but I can’t paint, and I hire an artist to paint it for me, I tell them exactly what I want, I paint it for me.

    I didn’t do the work.

    I hired somebody to do work, but I didn’t do the work.

    Is that still art? I would argue probably yes.

    Especially if I made it for myself, then absolutely it’s art.

    Because as the beholder, that to me, the thing that I paid for, paid someone to do is art.

    If I have a machine do it instead of a person, is it still art? Again, as the beholder, if Dali or stable diffusion or whatever makes the thing, and I really don’t know if it’s still art, I don’t know if it’s still art.

    I really like the thing and it speaks to me emotionally.

    Yeah, that’s art.

    This is where so much of AI gets into questions not about the technology, but questions about our beliefs as people, our points of view and how things make us feel.

    There are a lot of people in the art community who have very valid fears of AI, that it’s diluting art or that it is making a commodity.

    cheapening it or stealing it.

    And I don’t want to negate their points of view because their points of view are theirs and their opinions are theirs.

    But I would say that if a machine makes something that you like, and it resonates with you, then yeah, it’s art.

    Is it art you like? Maybe, maybe not.

    Machines can’t make art by themselves.

    If you open up Stable Diffusion or DALI, and you sit there and wait for it to make your art, you’re gonna be waiting a real long time, because they have no agency at all.

    They are not sentient, they’re not self aware, they have no soul, they cannot express things, they can obey instructions.

    And the quality of the output comes from how good your instructions are.

    So the person who is commissioning the art, the person who’s writing the prompts for these tools, is the creative impulse behind it.

    So if you put a prompt in like, “Make a watercolor painting of a pot of daisies.” You’re gonna get a pretty generic piece of imagery back, but that’s as creative as the system can be.

    If, on the other hand, you write out two and a half pages of exactly what you want in that painting, and you talk to a chat GPT and have DALI 3 make it from that, you’re probably gonna get something that’s pretty unique because you spent a lot of time with the creative process to bring the imagination needed to generate the art.

    Particularly if you sit there and you have to refine it over and over again.

    Say, “No, I want it this way.” “No, I want it this way.” “Why won’t you listen to me? I want the pot to have yellow stripes on it.

    Stop putting blue stripes on it.” You are still expressing your imagination.

    You are just doing it through a proxy in the same way that giving instructions to a human painter, you didn’t do the work, but it’s still art made by the human painter commissioned with your ideas.

    Now, where a lot of artists do take issue with generated works is the belief that these works are copying them.

    The diffuser’s model that most generative AI uses isn’t making pixel-for-pixel copies.

    What it is learning is association.

    This color pixel tends to be next to this color pixel.

    It is trained on the pixel patterns in things like a work of art and the associated captions.

    You have Mona Lisa painting of an Italian woman from the Renaissance, Leonardo da Vinci, and so on and so forth.

    When you type that into the prompting engine for generative AI, it’s going to essentially pull up a catalog of the things that it knows and then use this diffusion method to try and assemble all the pieces that it thinks it knows around that concept over time to render the final artwork.

    The analogy I use a lot is imagine you went around the world and you ate pizza in every single pizzeria in the world.

    You took detailed notes like, “Hey, the pepperoni was this size.

    It was near this way.

    It’s laid out this way.” Then when someone asks you to make a pizza, you went into this huge cookbook that you made and you can replicate a pizza very much like it, but it’s not going to be the original pizza.

    There is no pizza in a pizza cookbook.

    There is detailed notes and there is absolutely people’s intellectual property in there.

    If you go to the local pizzeria and you take detailed notes about how they made their pizza, you can replicate that and you may or may not have permission to do so, but their pizza is not in the cookbook.

    When you go to make that pizza from the recipe you made, you are not taking their pizza from them.

    You may be expressing a very similar idea, but it’s definitely not their pizza.

    Now, do you have the right to do so? If the original work is copyrighted and you are intending to exactly replicate that work, essentially as a derivative work, then yeah, you’re violating their copyright.

    Full disclosure, I am not a lawyer.

    I cannot give legal advice.

    So take that important disclaimer.

    But when people use gender, use generative AI, yes, it has been trained on a whole bunch of imagery that is commercially, that is licensed, that is other people’s IP, and they did not, in many cases, give their permission.

    Should that be allowed? We’ll find out.

    Right now, it depends on where you are.

    So there are certain jurisdictions where, for example, in the EU, the EU has ruled works, copyrighted works that were used to train machine models violate that copyright.

    So in the EU, that’s no good.

    If you built a model using copyrights that were not yours.

    In Japan, they went the other way and they said the very nature of how a generative model works, they go the cookbook route.

    They say there is no original work in the model itself.

    And therefore, training that model and creating that model is not a violation of copyright because you’re not taking away anything from the originals.

    The originals are not in there.

    It’s just a book of statistics, essentially.

    And so in Japan, the law is that a model that was trained on copyrighted data does not violate the copyright.

    In the USA, it’s unresolved.

    There are a whole bunch of court cases right now that are pending about whether or not the use of copyrighted information violates copyright.

    And we will be waiting for quite some time to get a court decision about what that is.

    In the meantime, however, these models do exist.

    And they are capable of creating based on the prompts that they are given.

    So to wrap up, is that art? Yeah, it probably is.

    Is it art you like? Maybe, maybe not.

    Is it art I like? Maybe, maybe not.

    Is it art? Yeah.

    To somebody, it’s art.

    And even if it’s not art to me, it’s not my place to tell somebody else that they’re art, it’s not art.

    Even if it’s a machine, it was made by a machine.

    Is it a violation of copyright? Maybe, depending on where you are.

    And should model makers be able to leverage other people’s copyrighted material without compensating them? Maybe, depends where you are.

    And that has to be settled in law.

    That is not settled in law in many places in the world.

    It has to be settled in law.

    And if that is something that is of interest to you, that you want to see, that’s settled in law in a certain way, the best thing you can do is lobby your government in as many ways as you can and be a participant in the government, the rulemaking process, the lawmaking process, to persuade your people that this is the way you want the world to work.

    I would definitely not just sit there and wait for things to happen.

    If you have a point of view that you think is really important around the use of AI and how AI models are built, go and let your duly elected representatives know if you have them.

    That’s the show for today.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Open Weights, Open Source, and Custom GPT Models?

    You Ask, I Answer: Open Weights, Open Source, and Custom GPT Models?

    In today’s episode, Joseph asks if it’s possible to create your own custom GPT model using open source tools. I explain the difference between open models and truly open source models, noting that true open source would require exposing the training data. I discuss options like fine-tuning existing models or using retrieval augmented generation to customize them, but caution that recreating a full model from scratch would require an unrealistic amount of compute power. I recommend starting with simpler no-code tools to test ideas first before investing heavily in a custom build. Tune in to hear more about the possibilities and limitations around rolling your own language model!

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    In today’s episode, Joseph asks, if I wanted to dabble in an attempt to make my own custom-like GPT, a language model, using something that is open source, would I need to use something like Lama to accomplish that goal? Okay, so this is a little bit tricky.

    The Lama models are what we would call open models in the sense that you can get the model itself, the model weights, and download them and use them, and you can fine-tune them and manipulate them and things like that.

    They are not strictly, if you want to be adhered to what open source is really about, they are not open source models, and here’s why.

    Open source requires the disclosure of the source code, not the compiled binary.

    So if you write a piece of software that you compile in C++, if you want it to be open source, you have to give away the C++ source code itself and not just the compiled end product, the app itself.

    With language models, extending that analogy, if I give it to you, you’re going to get a lot of results.

    You’re going to get a lot of results.

    If I give away the Lama model, I’m giving away open weights.

    Here are the weights that you may use to manipulate and change into a model that performs the tasks you want to perform.

    For it to be truly open source, the training data that the model was made from would also have to be given away, right? So this would be things like Common Crawl, for example, or Archive and Stack Exchange and Reddit and the Online Books Archive and Project Gutenberg and all that stuff.

    If you wanted to do a true open source language model, you would need to open source the training documents themselves.

    And some of these exist.

    For example, the repository that like 90% of language models are trained on is called Common Crawl, you can go visit it at common crawl.org.

    This is a massive, massive archive of essentially the public internet.

    It’s a web crawler that goes around and scrapes the web.

    And anything they can see, it puts in there unless people specifically tell it not to.

    That huge Common Crawl archive is what a lot of model makers use as sort of their their base starting recipe, there is definitely opportunity for someone to look at that archive and selectively pull pieces out of it to train and build a transformer based model, a pre trained transformer model from scratch.

    From absolute scratch, you’d say here, we’re not going to use Lama as a starting point, we’re going to make our own.

    This requires, however, an enormous amount of compute power and time.

    When Lama two was put together, I think it was something like several roomfuls of a 100 GPUs, and about $2 million worth of compute time to build this thing over I think it was 12 weeks was how long it took roomfuls of servers to build the Lama model.

    Most of us do not have that kind of firepower.

    Most of us, we just can’t afford it.

    As nice as my MacBook is, my MacBook is not suited computationally to train a model anything other than like a toy model, you could absolutely and you might want to try building your own language model from scratch, but it’s gonna be very, very limited, it’s gonna be a toy.

    If you want to build a custom GPT like system, yes, you could start with something from the Lama two family, because Lama two two is open source and open weights, and it is commercially licensable.

    And then you would do one of a couple different ways of customizing it.

    One would be fine tuning it where you would give it additional instruction sets and essentially alter the weights in the model so that it performs some some instructions better, right? So you might have 1000s of examples like, hey, when a customer says this, do this, when a customer says do this, do this, you might have 1000s of those things, and you would then essentially retune llama to follow instructions like that better.

    That’s what fine tuning does.

    You might also want to add new knowledge to llama.

    And that’s where something like retrieval augmented generation would come into play where you would say, here’s a library of extra data, you should look in this library first, before you go into your general library, so that you get better answers.

    Those would be methods for customizing it.

    When you look at something like open AI is custom GPT, that is a model that is that is a system that is a system that is largely custom instructions.

    So you give it specific prompts, and retrieval augmented generation, you upload files to it.

    And it can talk to those files, or you can make a function call to call to external data sources.

    It’s not a fine tune, right? You’re not getting you’re not convincing it to learn certain instructions better, not really.

    So that would be how you would accomplish that goal of making that custom like thing you would, you would do the do a fine tune.

    If the llama model just doesn’t answer the questions the way you want them answered from an instructions following perspective, like it just doesn’t follow directions well, or if it doesn’t have the knowledge, you would give it access to some kind of vector database that would have the knowledge you want in it that it could then reference if it can follow instructions fine and just makes up answers.

    Retrieval augmented generation is the way to go.

    If it can’t even follow instructions, fine tuning is the way to go.

    So that’s how you approach that.

    I would say that’s the starting point trying open AI is custom GPT is just to see if your idea is even feasible first.

    Because if you can’t get it working in in a very in a no code environment, that’s pretty simplistic.

    There’s a good chance that you would spend a lot of time and money and effort on more custom example that probably wouldn’t work much better.

    So give that a shot.

    As always, if you have additional questions, feel free to ask them at any time, you can leave them in the comments or whatever.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Why I Moved My Newsletter to Substack?

    You Ask, I Answer: Why I Moved My Newsletter to Substack?

    In today’s episode, I explain why I moved my email newsletter from Mautic to Substack. The switch improves deliverability and saves me time on newsletter admin, while still allowing me to post to LinkedIn. Substack’s built-in referral program incentivizes subscribers to spread the word. Though I have no plans now for a paid version, the move sets me up well for possible monetization in the future.

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    In today’s episode, Mark asks why substack this a whole bunch of questions in this, he asked, Why am I making the move to substack? What advantages do I see providing? Will I continue to post my newsletter to LinkedIn? Do I expect to generate revenue advantages for readers? So let’s tackle all this.

    For those who don’t know, I have recently moved my email newsletter from the modic marketing automation system to substack.

    And there’s a bunch of reasons for this.

    When you run any kind of email system on your own server on servers that you lease, I leased mine from Linode, you are totally in control, you have total control, you can get to the back end data, you can decide how fast things send, you can configure all sorts of technical stuff.

    So you’re in charge.

    That’s the upside.

    The downside is, you you’re in charge, that means you got to put up with handling all the back end infrastructure, software patches, server admin, firewalls, installing and running the software, keeping it updated and things like that.

    And that extends to even just handling and managing the newsletter list itself, how many people are subscribed, when people unsubscribe, things like that, all that has to be handled as part of the server, the machinery to make it right.

    run.

    The almost timely newsletter list is now just shy of about a quarter million people.

    So every Sunday sending out an email newsletter, a quarter million people, and the server that I was hosting, almost timely on it struggled, it took 12 to 16 hours to send that much email because, well, it’s a lot of email, it’s a lot of email.

    And as a result, it’s very challenging for the system to be able to keep up with that and to do it in a timely fashion.

    That was a big part.

    Another big reason is, again, all that admin stuff takes time.

    Downloading form fills from the different parts of the website, consolidating them, downloading unsubscribes, consolidating them, matching emails against, you know, blacklists and stuff to make sure that no one gets emailed who does not stop supposed to get emailed.

    That all takes a lot of time each.

    week, it was taking close to an hour each week just to process all the data itself.

    And so I was like, Well, could I spend my time? Would my time be better spent doing something else? Of course, the answer is yes.

    Server admin is not generally a great use of my time when I could be creating more stuff.

    So that was the big motivation was cutting down the amount of time it takes me each week to send a newsletter from about three hours ish to about an hour and a half because a good hour and a half is still making the newsletter assembling the thing and sending it and you know, coming up with creative putting on YouTube and so on and so forth.

    So there’s all that stuff happens as well.

    But the admin side, the non creative, no real value ad anymore.

    That’s gone away.

    So that was big.

    Will I continue to post a newsletter on LinkedIn? Yes, absolutely.

    People who are subscribed to the LinkedIn version, the newsletter will continue to get the newsletter because it would be stupid not to there’s 5000 people on LinkedIn who are reading the newsletter, they’re telling them they all have to go to substack would be stupid.

    You marketing one on one, meet people where they are.

    People want it on news on LinkedIn.

    They get on LinkedIn, they want on the blog, they get on the blog.

    Now it’s on substack for they want on substack.

    Great.

    It still shows up in the email inboxes.

    So it’s not a change in behavior for them.

    That’s easy.

    For those who use the substack app.

    If you want to if you use that app as your own, app as your reader.

    Now, that’s an option too.

    There are secondary reasons to use substack secondary reasons I chose to use substack.

    One, it’s very low cost, right? Because their revenue model is they make money on paid subscriptions, and they take a slice of the subscription.

    So they, if you charge, you know, I think they get a 10% of the subscription, whatever it is, it’s, it generally makes sense.

    Christopher Penn: And as a result, because they focus on paid subscriptions, deliverability is like priority one there.

    Because if you don’t get your the subscription you paid for, you get angry and stop paying for it.

    So they’re going to do a much better job of just being super on top of deliverability than I will.

    substack has an ecosystem of its own.

    It is.

    It is part email newsletter, part blog, part podcast host part social network.

    And according to them, anyway, one out of every four subscribers to a newsletter comes from their network, from other people, you know, recommending your newsletter, and so on and so forth in your network.

    That’s a good thing.

    I think that’s, that’s extra audience I don’t have to pay for, it will be silly not to take advantage of that.

    Do I expect to generate revenue? Not initially, not initially, I don’t have any plans to make a paid version of the newsletter, because it’s enough work as it is to put together the free one, much less come up with the the mental bandwidth to say, Okay, well, here’s the idea I want to have this week.

    And I need to come up with a paid version that justifies someone spending, you know, five or 10 or 15 bucks for the newsletter, and then have to come up with something for free as the the leader into the paid version and upsell people.

    Again, I don’t have time for that right now.

    Now maybe who knows in someday, I might have a, you know, a Gary V style team of 31 people to follow me around and document everything and slice and dice all my content into 28 different forms and post on every social network.

    Maybe someday, that will be the case, but I don’t see that happening anytime soon.

    And the value of the newsletter to me, and to my company to Trust Insights is as a as lead gen source, right is a huge audience from which I can draw attention and put it on things like YouTube videos or downloads or gated content, or just outright sales pitches, like, hey, hire us to help you with your AI strategy, right? I can do that with the free newsletter list.

    And so there’s much more value to me right now in having access to the audience to be able to occasionally pitch them things, then try to make a buck here and a buck there.

    Now, am I leaving money on the table? Probably, I imagine, I could probably get 10% of the list to pay for it, right? Now 10% list out be 25,000 people, I got them to pay a dollar a month.

    Yeah, that’d be $25,000.

    That might be worth it.

    I don’t know.

    But I don’t plan to do that anytime soon.

    Things could change, though.

    Things could change.

    I, I can’t say I would much rather though, pursue the route of, you know, indirect monetization and take on more advertisers, I’ve got some ad slots already, I’d rather take on more advertisers, and have them pay to get access to the audience.

    What’s in it for the subscribers? Well, a few things.

    One, it’s probably going to get to your inbox more reliably.

    So that’s kind of a big deal.

    To it does come in multiple formats.

    I don’t I don’t have my own mobile app.

    Now I am part of the Substack mobile app.

    So if that’s an app that you already have, and that’s the way you prefer to get content, guess what, it’s an automatic upgrade for you.

    Now you can get the almost timely newsletter within the Substack app, and continue to have your reading where you want it to be.

    The other thing that I really like about Substack that yes, there are ways to do it.

    But I, yeah, I wasn’t willing to sit there and and engineer that.

    But I, yeah, I wasn’t willing to sit there and and engineer at all, is the referral program.

    So on Substack, one of the things you can do is create a referral program referral rewards, where people can recommend or refer subscribers to the newsletter.

    And when they do, they get points, they get, you know, like leadership points, and there’s, there’s a whole leaderboard and everything.

    But there are bonuses to people, if they, if they go ahead and do those referrals.

    So I have three tiers of referrals set up tier one, for 100 referrals, you get a shout out in a YouTube video like this one.

    For referral to for tier two, you for 200 referrals, you get a newsletter shout out.

    And for tier three, 300 referrals, you get a 30 minute free one on one consultation with me.

    So any topic that’s that you like within professional boundaries, get a free 30 minute call with me.

    So those referrals allow me to, to help basically help the audience market the newsletter to other people of the audience for free.

    It’s built right in.

    And so that’s the reason for moving the Substack.

    There’s it’s administrative, it is efficiencies, it is the network effect.

    And it is some of the features that I Christopher Penn: just was just not willing to spend the time to engineer on my own.

    Will this be the case forever and ever? Who knows? Right? It is entirely possible that something happens that Substack says, Hey, we need to make some more money, we’re gonna start showing ads with without your permission.

    In which case, that’d be a time that’d be a good indicator, it’s time to move on, right, go to a different platform.

    But for now, it meets the needs that I have for my newsletter.

    The deliverability rates are on par with what I was getting with Mautic.

    But faster, so people are reading it faster, and getting to the content faster, and I’m pretty happy with it.

    So if you’re thinking about moving your newsletter, and you have the same issues I do, Substack might be a good solution.

    If you want to take advantage of some of those features like referrals, like monetization, you know, paid content, a built in podcast host, that might be for you as well.

    And it’s not the only platform out there.

    Certainly there are many others like ghost, for example, that that do similar things.

    But it right now seems to have the most gravity, the most critical mass.

    And that’s a good reason to stick around on it.

    So good question.

    Kind of a long answer.

    But I think it’s useful if you are considering yourself to see what’s going on within the space.

    Thanks for asking.

    We’ll talk to you soon.

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